>>3209434If you take a list of every RPG nearly everyone agrees is an RPG, the list of mechanics they all share still won't be enough to define it.Genre is about feels over reals, always has been.
>>3209434Is the other thread even off the catalogue yet
/vrpg/ thinks if it's not a "create your character" kind of one it's not a RPG.I still don't get the obsession about that. I NEVER identify myself with the character I'm playing as, so might as well give them a defined appearance, background and personality rather than have them be soulless, mute puppets.
>>3209540>/vrpg/ thinks if it's not a "create your character" kind of one it's not a RPG.Which is correct>. I NEVER identify myself with the character I'm playing as,That's an additional point in character creator favor
>>3209587>That's an additional point in character creator favorIn practice what happens is that most of players who are into character creation is so because they identify themselves as the individual who has romance/sex with NPCs. The industry blatantly encourages this.
>>3209437Genre placement is a matter of distinction not definition.
I know what is NOT an RPGBut no one will ever find out what an RPG actually is
Early RPGs implemented menu-based gameplay to circumvent the clunky and unresponsive controls of genres such as platformers and adventure.As the industry evolved and all genres got more responsive controls, added equipment and customization and started showing information to the player in the form of stats the RPG genre lost its niche.On top of that, the main selling point of RPGs, namely having a deeper narrative than most non-RPGs, started to lose relevance ad well because those other games implemented it.In a way it cam be said that RPG is a dead genre, it's now a collection of patterns that can be found (or at least easily implemented) in practically all vidya.
>>3209633All wrong wow.
>>3209638Every genre can have a plot, choices, romance, moral system, exp and levels, stats, customization, equipment, skill trees, class system, elemental system, status effects, quests, postgame content and superbosses and so on.There is no niche left for the old RPG genre.
>>3209434If the gameplay experience is defined by its RPG elements then it is an RPG. Obviously this is open to interpretation and varies game by game.
A game where you roleplay. Any other definition is just autistic pedentry from neckbeards who think it's not an RPG unless you can make 1000 choices that lead to 1000 different endings and make a character with individual decisions stats for each finger that can give you a 0.075% extra chance to hit because they grew up on shitty 90s PC rpgs made by spergs that made up for bad gameplay with "immersion" and entey level edginess
The old thread is still up. Why just repeatedly remake this until you get the answer you want? I feel there is a certain subjective relativity being pushed here to undermine actual discussion, like a psychological war is being waged on this place 24/7.
>>3209434This guy looks like a pretentious retard
You will never be a real rpg
>>3209524>an role playing gamehow embarrassing, you must be special.
>>3209679>>3209477I was the anon who made original thread. This one isn't me.I never answered originally though so I'll take a shot.At the end of the day an rpg is tactical. Many rpgs I love become more about mechanics and less about characters the more I play. numbers go up + tactics + choices (skills/armor) = rpg. Everything else is extra. It's a game, not a book. Bad story can be forgiven, bad gameplay can not.
>>3209434let's ask a more constructive question, Wat do you want from an rpg ?
>>3209859False. It is "an RPG," but "a role-playing game."The rule is tied to whether you speak a vowel or a consonant at the start of the word, not the written form.
An RPG is a Tactical Wargame where you play as a unit on the field and go on (mostly) PvE adventures instead of playing the commander of an army in PvP against rival army commanders.Everything other detail about what makes an RPG flows from this premise. It means there's some attempt at immersion and world simulation, but simulation is not the most important thing. It means there's a narrative experience from the first-person perspective of the player-character but it doesn't mean the game is only about branching storylines. The world simulation means that various different archetypes and builds should be possible, but the game is not entirely about building a character and watching how a game plays out deterministically based on that build.It's a subtle concept beyond the typical /vrpg/ shitter who can only fixate on one specific angle, or who is monumentally confused by the existence of ARPGs and doesn't understand the concept of a hybrid.
>>3209682yeah but the people he triggers actually are pretentious retards.
>>3209962He has a punchable face and he knows it. Very smart of him to make a career out of flinging shit.
>>3209682He's a literal child marriage advocate, a radical activist for pedophiles marrying children.
>>3209959It's like you tried to copy someone else but rewrote so everything is wrong.
>>3210044It's like you're too stupid to understand it so can't make an argument, but it makes you feel uncomfortable so you're compelled to dispute it. Typical /vrpg/ pond scum really.
>>3209434>Esl was so mad that he had to make a poor parody of my pic Shameful display
>>3209625This is why Disco Elysium, Pentiment, and all those other hipster games aren't actually rpgs. Far too distinct from real rpgs to be rpgs. DE and Penisment are more like visual novels and point-and-click adventure games than rpgs.
>>3210221Correct. The original RPG company was TSR Tactical Studies RulesIf you don't have Tactics and not enough Rules, it's not an RPG anymore but a VN or Graphic Adventure, Choose your Own Adventure game.>>3209959This gentleman gets it, any other take is guaranteed to be some sort of one parent millennial or zoomer trying to look knowledgeable to cover up their poor self esteem due to broken home, and resulting school and career failures.
>>3209434Video game RPGs are not TTRPGs. Retards addicted to rolling dice should fuck off back to >>>/tg/
>>3210602I am right, you are wrong.
>>3210553Why did you reply to yourself?
>>3210608He didn't. The message was for me not for you. I appreciate that there's at least two other people posting on this board who aren't complete mouth-breathing retards.>>3210607More empty-headed nonsense. Typical /vrpg/ brainlet with nothing interesting to say but lots of vehemence and hostility with which to say it.
>>3209434Literally anything, nowadays. RPGs used to be worlds you could immerse yourself in, be a part of, not just controlling a character. And you would be rewarded for doing so. Now faglords like >>3209891 are saying >numbers go up + tactics + choices (skills/armor) = rpgand the "R" in "RPG" is just completely forgotten.
>>3210653The R in rpg never meant what you thought it meant
An RPG is a game for autists.The core of any RPG worth its saltis the possibility to crunch numbers amongst other autists to discuss perfect and optimal builds, all the while shitting on each other.Mechanics rule.
So if we can all agree that we can’t agree on an answer to this question, can we petition the admin delete this /vrpg/? Or is this place just doomed to be the containment cell for threads that ask questions like these and people who are going to argue about it rather than contribute to the discussion?
>>3210699If /vrpg/ is deleted everyone who posts here needs to be permanently banned. This can't be allowed to spill back onto other boards.
>>3210644You're a long-winded homosexual. I repeat, video game RPGs are not TTRPGs. The days where you terrorized strangers with your body odor while they awkwardly played along with you are long gone.Appealing to authority is the most limp-wristed thing ever.>>3210661Wrong. Try harder next time, poser.>>3210706You should be contained in >>>/lgbt/. It's about time.
>>3210806>I repeat, video game RPGs are not TTRPGs.You're right. It's also a trivial point that doesn't mean anything to anyone in context. I'm not long-winded, you are stupid.
>>3210984It doesn't mean anything to you because you have insufficient INT. Grind more EXP at >>>/v/
>>3210221>This is why Disco Elysium, Pentiment, and all those other hipster games aren't actually rpgsEh, Disco feels close enough to be like half. Either RPG with VN traits. or vice versa.Agree on the rest though, I don't know why people call Pentiment an RPG.
>>3211377>half rpg played by halfmenFitting.>I don't know why people call Pentiment an RPG.There's hope for humanity yet, wow.
>>3209434A miserable little pile of code