Is it me or Rogue Trader doesn't really work well as standard-fare CRPG given the player character's status? You aren't some schmuck and every time I met NPCs in the first solar system the only logical dialogue option was "Werserian, tell this faggot who he's dealing with before we blast him for such disrespect and rudeness." Taking quests like "have you seen this literally who man on another planet" from nobodies doesn't make sense either because you aren't some interplanetary bellboy. I could look the other way in Kingmaker because you were just a random adventurer tricked into a role of Baron. I still could look the other way in WotR because you were a nobody who rose to military power and were dealing with more or less local conflict. But here you're at the helm of a ship with thousands people on board, traveling across vast space. It doesn't make much sense.
Whole 40k universe doesn't really work as a standard-fare anything. Turning your brain off is pretty much prerequisite to liking it. You can check out >>>/tg/ for more examples.
>>3204514It's not even an RPG.
>>3204514>You aren't some schmuckHave you played ANY of Owlcat's games before? >muh I don't like being specialOkay, not my problem. >in WotR I could look the other waylmao, what? In Wrath your character is the most stupidly overpowered capeshit bullshit I have ever heard of. Within the first five minutes of the game you somehow have access to a crossbow with bolts capable of piercing the hide of Demon Lords and Mythic Path system is ludicrous. How does being a Rogue Trader, which is nothing more than a political and wordily title (you basically have jurisdiction over most of the trade in the Kornus expanse, save for other Rogue Traders obviously) that is exceedingly and utter vital to the economy and stability of the Imperium seem more overpowered to you than essentially being as close to a god as you can be? When you played Kingmaker was the fact you controlled a barony and then a Kingdom and eventually annexed all of the Stolen Lands feel too overpowered for you? Are you just not familiar with Warhammer?
>>3204514RT is exceedingly faithful to the Warhammer setting with how they portrayed Rouge Traders. I was actually surprised at this and was expecting them to gut the lore like most everything Warhammer is nowadays.
I'm fine with it not being a standard-fare CRPG.
>>3204514Warhammer?More like Shovelwarehammer!HAHAHA
>>3204514>no sister of battle romanceFucking trash. Owlcat is shit.
>>3204514I feel like rather than being one of the top rogue trader families already we should've been some small timer who has to start from the bottom
>>3204514>You aren't some schmuckAs opposed to the game where you're a baron and later king? Or the game where you're the commander of the fifth crusade?
>>3205142Did you not read OP's post?>I could look the other way in Kingmaker because you were just a random adventurer tricked into a role of Baron. I still could look the other way in WotR because you were a nobody who rose to military power and were dealing with more or less local conflict.Literally explains how you start from the bottom and work your way up. You're literally a nobody at the beginning of each game.
>>3204731Rogue Traders are bloodlines, anon. You can't "work up" to being a Rogue Trader. That's like saying eventually you wish to be born into the Hapsburg dynasty so you can control all of Sweden. Doesn't work that way.
>>3205175In Wrath you're not a nobody, you're an experiment being conducted by higher powers. You aren't le random adventurer, you are the most special and important adventurer ever not because of your merit but because of the ability to take Mythic paths and ascend, And in Kingmaker the whole establishing a barony was intentionally set up for you by Nyrissa so she could squash it to earn grains in her cup. I get that OP wants more progression of power, but Owlcat's previous games aren't good examples of this.
>>3205244I mean instead of starting right off the bat as one of the "big three" starting as a smaller fish, not every Rogue Trader dynasty is a Winterscale
>>3205247You don't know about any of that until the last half of the game. Unless you've already beaten it you're effectively a nobody who randomly gets mythic powers at the end of act 1.
do we have a list of all the Home-Worlds/Backgrounds/Life decisions?
>>3204514>Werserian, tell this faggot who he's dealing with before we blast him for such disrespect and rudenessNigga you really should read Cain novels The bigger problem with the game>Space Marine companion wasted on the fucking Yiff>SoB isn't romancable>Both xeno-companion slots wasted on Eldar>Not even interesting Eldar (Corsairs, Harley, Incubi, Scourges, Mandrakes)
>>3205657>tells someone to read the books>complains the game makes too much sense
>>3205589I don't think the life decisions are in the betahome worlds are>death world>voidborn>hive world>forge world>imperial world backgrounds>IG commander>commissar>criminal>priest>navy officer>sanctioned psyker>noble
>>3204514Yeah it’s shit just like all warhammer shovelware but you’ll buy it anyways
>>3205732>>complains the game makes too much senseWhere?
>>3205919If you weren't a secondary, you'd know.
>>3205772Apparently from what some people at Owlcat said we could also get Techpriest apprentice or something along those lines to have as a suito techpriest background.
>>3204514i will play it in 3 years when they release slightly less bugged Enhanced edition and there will be mods which fix shit in that version
>>3205513Nigger you get Mythic powers literally in the tutorial prologue of Wrath, stop being disingenuous. You unlock Angel mythic powers as soon as as you help Lann and Wendu find the sword, and the first boss fight trembles at your might by fleeing in a portal instead of crushing you because of le special awesome powers no one else has. Wrath can't help but turn the PC into a special snowflake marvel character at every opportunity, and Rogue Trader handles progression of power much better than Wrath did since you inherit the Von Velancius dynasty after Theodora gets killed and the only power you progress in rapidly is in your rank, connections and influence due to being a Rogue Trader instead of being a semi god.
>>3205435The Big Three are the only three in the Expanse. Wdym?
>>3206804What do you even mean? The whole Rogue Trader tabletop RPG is built around playing your own Dynasty and has a whole section in "Into the Storm" giving a lifepath system to allow you to play either a Dying Ancient Lineage of Rogue Traders where you have a gigantic ship, but your funds are running low. Or an up and coming "New Blood" Rogue Trader who has established a number of enterprises that bring in profit, but due to your lack of lineage, don't have a lot of holdings or ships at your disposal.
and speaking of ships, why the fuck did they gave us a frigate?I cringed every time someone regarded our ship as "mighty". I want a light cruiser at the very least, please.
>>3207331Frigate is kind of the mid-level for Rogue Traders in the TTRPG. Light Cruisers were actually the Highest level of ship you could get at character gen, and if you did your Profit Factor was left in the trash.
>>3207364I'll take that deal then. Considering the amount of nope that the future might hold, realistically speaking, I feel like a frigate wouldn't be enough.
>>3207364but it's meant to be the flagship of our 10k year dynasty and we can't upgrade for "plot reasons"why can't the creepy AI move with us?
>>3207573A frigate is perfectly fine in tt, because you can upgrade to a larger flagship if you have the pull or the money, and buy additional ships. This is not the case here.
>>3204514not sure what its trying to be, its like a mix of xcom and rpg but i doubt game like that is possible its really hard to make character progression meaningful and have good strategic layer at the same time, there will always be broken combination which trivialize strategic part.
>>3208360Does not feel much like XCOM at all desu. Feels like a standard turn-based RPG in terms of combat and power.
according to the CM on reddit RT has been in development for 4 years, the beta didn't feel like it
>>3208360The way it worked in the beta, it's not so much tactics as figuring out which buffs to stack so that Argenta can destroy the encounter in one turn with her strlarter weapon.
>>3207364>Light Cruisers were actually the Highest level of ship you could get at character gen, and if you did your Profit FactorThat changed with the later additions.Rules made it possible to start with even a grand cruiser, although in that case you aren't only tanking your PF but also lack the ship points for weaponry.
>>3207331>>3207364I really hope we can change ships in the future, and even get upgrades depending on Convictions.
>>3208891wouldnt a new ship mean a whole different and new bridge (which act as your main hub to talk to companions/trade) ? I feel like Owlcat is gonna be too lazy on that aspect
>>3209115they've already said no to changing ships, you also get a "ship skin" for one of the game packs but it's still a frigate
>>3209240>>3209115Unfortunate but skins would be welcome.
>>3208399Or, if you're me, rapidly abusing psyker abilities to crank out as many warp manifestations as possible.
I know the setting started that way, but being a Rogue Trader is cope for how unflexible the 40k setting is (it's greatest quality).The whole handwaving of "oh but you're a Rogue Trader so it's ok" is shit on a narrative level.
>>3209270What are you even specifically referring to? Do you mean the fact the RT can execute people with impunity? Elaborate.
>>3209270Retarded secondary.
>>3204514Licking Cassia's gills.
>>3204514don't know why, but the trader looks like a pimp to me
>>3210198As he should.
>>3210198Honestly this is the best portrait Owlcat has made overall and honestly one of the best I saw for MC period. I just love the style on it.
>>3210258All the more reason to play as Noble, so you can look like that on portrait and on character. Also I find Owlcat's RT portraits to be better than their pathfinder ones. In Pathfinder it is exceedingly difficult to find portraits of characters that match up to the character concept you've created, though that's the consequence of having 18 gorillion classes and subclasses as well as races and their heritages come Wrath.
>>3210268This portrait also works well for Vagabond. I saw someone say that those portraits make you want to replay the game as those characters and I do agree. I may go for Leader Imperial Guard Commander maybe (or Vagabond). Or Noble Marksman (if I remember correctly stats you can level up are those that reinforced by your origin and class so those two would give a good spread) as I like to talk and do some ranged damage in this game, although I may also go for Psyker depending on how expanded that role is.
>>3210364Also beard look better than BG3 ones despite lower quality. Funny how you get here longer beards than ones you get for Dwarfs in that game.
>>3210367Owlcat games have aways had better character creation than Larian's slop, so idk why you'd be suprised on that fact. Even if you go back to Kingmaker characters have multiple body types and well modeled facial hair. There's really no excuse not to have this in your game.
>>3209270Rogue Trader is the original 40k, you tard. Space Marine Wank: the Setting is a result of the setting catering to the customer and what they buy.
>>3204514>in Kingmaker because you were just a random adventurer tricked into a role of Baron>trickedIn the first fucking minute of the game it opens with that being your reward for killing the stag lord.Fucking idiot.
>>3211327You didn't play the rest of the game. Also if you played far enough to kill the Stag Lord and weren't aware that you're being set up you either have low iq or are a zoomer who zoomed through everything and didn't take time to read notes and item descriptions.
maybe we can replace Jae's portrait with the bartender...
>>3205244>Rogue Traders are bloodlines, anon. You can't "work up" to being a Rogue Trader. That's like saying eventually you wish to be born into the Hapsburg dynasty so you can control all of Sweden. Doesn't work that way.>>3204731We kind of are some nobody that the actual Rogue Trader picks as their heir, I don't think there's relation there. We're just picked because they liked us, we don't have a blood connection to the actual family.
>>3204514>can’t even create your own characterThis combined with the special snowflake MC of both pathfinder games should have given you the heads up that you are once again going to be a special snowflake 9000 power level anime MC. These games are all shit for this reason. Kingmaker would have been game of the century if I could just go on an adventure instead of being bogged down by power level politics at every turn.
>>3211687>don't have a blood connectionWe do have one actually. It's somewhat distant but also the sole reason we got picked. That blood relation is what is needed to enter the vault containing the warrant of trade.
>>3211687we're 7th cousins or something to Theodora
>>3211711>>can’t even create your own character?>Kingmaker would have been game of the century if the game did not make me a king?
>>3211687>We kind of are some nobodyNo, prologue establishes blood connection, it's the whole reason everything works. I also recall whats-his-name Master of Whispers commenting on your military accomplishments (this might depend on the player character background, I'm not sure). This time around we're definitely not a nobody.
a rogue trader does whatever he wants. he can downplay or inflate his position. given the setting you shouldn't be dealing with random bums in a tavern anyways. Ideally it should be almost like Star Trek were you meet important individuals, envoys, corporate representatives from various planets and you try to meet your quotas and the bottom line is making more wealth and prestige.I hope the game embraces that heavily, outside of the main epic quest that will probably involve you with imperial shenanigans, the goal should be wether you end up being a failed merchant that bought tulips at the end of the craze, a small but solid hanseatic dude, or a guy that runs the space dutch east company.If it uses a morality system it should be personal wealth vs imperial duty with uncertain outcomes. maybe kissing imperial ass in this quest will help you with getting better connections but in that quest you just cuck yourself from a good deal.
>>3212121>If it uses a morality systemThe morality/alignment system is limited to Imperialis, Benevolentia and Hereticus.
>>3212131>hereticusthis sounds perhaps stupid but I really don't want chaos fuckery in this game, i don't want black and white choices and the choices should have a more legalistic character. the rogue trader setting is promising as it can offer much fluidity in a world of extremes: authoritarian opresiveness and demon gangbang. being your own kind of garbage instead
>>3212144Generally, choices aren't actually limited only to those three. It's more of the alignment thing than anything.
I want to have sex with xenos
>>3211711No games retard making ignorant statements not because he has something to say, but because he has to say something.
>>3211687the RT is the closest living relative outside of Kunrad (who betrays you and everyone on the ship). Tell me you haven't played the Beta without telling me you haven't played it.
>>3212298A moment of laxity spawns a lifetime of heresy
>>3212645this anon has had more than "a moment" of laxity, though. He's a degenerate.
>>3212652Suffer not the unclean to live.
what games are we playing while waiting for Rogue Trader? I'm going thorugh Trails from Azure myself
>>3214466Thinking of Temple of Elemental Evil. Last time I played it I was like 12? And got filtered hard. Gotta rectify that shit.
>>3204519Fpbp
>>3214466I'm on Cold Steel 2. I will end up playing Kiseki games at the same time as other games for a while desu because I like taking them slow.Besides that, I have been playing Kingmaker slowly too. (I only played Wrath before this.)
>>3214466Wrath and Kingmaker.
>>3208427>could have had a grand cruiser >instead get a shitty frigate Gay.
>>3217375It is truly a disappointment. Either being able to design a ship or having the chance to get a big one later on would have been nice. Especially as a grand cruiser is basically perfect for long range independent actions like a rogue trader would engage in.
>>3214466Wrath of the Righteous. SD Valis. WoW Hardcore (Troll Rogue).
>>3217531how would that change in terms of gameplay?it looks like they implemented a relatively simple mechanic for the "space" game. Not sure it would be capable to give any sense of scale.
>>3217674nta but gameplay? aside from in theory more weapons/defenses no changes, it would be business as usualthis is all about the immersion, reallyhaving a not-frigate flagship at the front of this old family makes some sense and it would help explain how we are able to keep taking out entire groups of ships by ourselves, not to mention the great reliance of the domain on us.Owlcat if you are seeing this just slap a new skin on the model then ctrl-F and replace frigate on the dialog for whatever else thanks.
https://wccftech.com/warhammer-40k-rogue-trader-qa-owlcat-on-addressing-beta-feedback-improving-romances-and-thanking-larian/a new interview >You've recently announced the co-op mode, a new feature for your games. Can you tell me how that's going to work?>I cannot unfortunately because, for now, we're just saying that it will be present in our game. But no additional details right now. Sorry!That's okay because Starrok already did on reddit>You can give out control of the characters in your party to your friends. Can be any characters including the RT. But it's still a story about a single protagonist.
>>3217791Still don't see any point of only 2-player co-op in such game. Either 3/6 or bust.
>>3217817Yeah it'll just feel weird at that point. Still, co-op existing in some capacity is better than none and I'm sure some will get enjoyment out of it.
>>3218057Any enjoyment of those few will be heavily outweighed by number of bugs related to co-op and all the time Owlcat will have to waste on fixing them.
I wasn't there for a while. Could somebody tell me about romance option.I heard that 'yaoi-fans' is very unhappy with their 'choose'
>>3204542>Within the first five minutes of the game you somehow have access to a crossbow with bolts capable of piercing the hide of Demon LordsThis part makes sense though if you have actually played the game
>>3218932Faggots have one romance option: to be forcibly sodomized by Marazhai as he pours hot wax over your back and sticks needles through your eyelids.
>>3218932>straightCassia the Disney princess NavigatorHeinrix the Not-Eisenhorn Interrogator>BiJae the sleazy used xeno goods saleswomanYrliet the retarded space elf on her gap year (a "platonic" option)Marazhai the retarded BDSM space elf who literally needs to torture people to live
also speaking of romances here is a terrible interview for a laughhttps://www.thegamer.com/warhammer-40000-rogue-trader-lgbt-romance/
>>3219087>But at the same time, any person on the team would love to have, for example, additional companions like Kroot, everyone wants to have the Kroot mercenary.They keep referencing budget, I honestly would've preferred a kickstarter if we got additional xenos like Kroot
>Let's just say, in case of Argenta, it's not about character author's vision or budget constraints.Per starrok, which means your lack of Argenta romance is thanks to GW
>>3219086Marazai is for men only.
>>3219087Based owlcat, shutting down alphabet people and coomers by making it about the narrative they want to tell rather than romance sim nonsense.
>>3219094Fuck Kroot, I want Orks, particularly a Freebooter.
>>3219094>kickstarterTo this day people still scream in agony and pray for it to just end after they encounter backer content in WotR. Nobody, Owlcat included, wants to deal with this shit.
>>3219118That's easily going to be DLC
>>3219094>>3219146Kickstarter has brought nothing but pain to this world. There are very few examples of kickstarter projects that that were worth the investment. Kickstarters actively seek to scam you, and in the case of fan content for Wrath, no, God please no. This is how we got Blackwater.
>>3219167If they do Ork DLC then this game will be the best game that has ever been made, only negative is that you can't play as an Ork (understandable, but sad) so I'll have to get my green fix with mods for that endeavor.
>>3219699fat
>>3219699Kano really let himself go.
>>3219699literally me
>>3219699Based.
>>3219108Marazai is bi. Devs confirmed it
>>3219699I'm gonna cum.
>>3219730he is? I thought he was gay. I don't doubt you but can you link where the devs said that?
>>3219735Devs say that on discord. But it was some times ago (something when they release who will be romanceable and who is not)
>>3219735https://steamcommunity.com/app/2186680/discussions/0/6717729343887260110/Post by Eyler (producent)
>>3219758>>3219753thanks.
>>3219762Alright (I write both post btw)
>>3219764yeah nice larp, I'm gonna wait till the other anon thanks me.
>>3219766LolOne guy (nick_clark) was in despair cuz Marzipan is only male romance for males
>>3219773He harasses devs on twitter whenever theres RPG news like that, I think he got blocked by the lead of Greedfall because he wouldn't shut up about their romances either.
future rogue trader DLC at least will most likely expand the main story
>>3220011>have to wait years for bugfixesOkay.>have to wait years for DLC as well because they now tie into main gameNot fucking okay.
>>3220029You're a minority most people that buy the dlcs replay the games
>>3209635Based
>>3220029I'll gladly wait however long it takes for bigger dlcs that tie into the main story. I want more GOOD content. Time isn't a factor, I am a healthy young man. I can wait.
Thoughts?
>>3222165>starts the reddit essay by linking to tvtropes unironicallyyeah I think not
>>3222165Who does this guy think the target demographic for a warhammer crpg is?Owlcat can be as queered out and trooned up as it wants but it still has to turn a profit.Also I'm sure GW, whatever it's fascination with bull-dyke female models is, also understands that it can't just tell 40k fans that the first ever 40k crpg is a gay romance simulator front and center.Pathfinder is invented by gays for gays and it can be much more free and open than the 40k IP can.
>>3220000Oh...so he is "famous"?Why Greedfall. There is malexmale option
>>3214466Original Baldur's Gates. Not EE.
