>nostalgia fags will rather cut off their penis and rape their mother before admitting a new game is goodWhy are they like this???
>bg3 groomer has a repetitive meltdown for a full daywew lad
>BG3troon projecting his own genital mutilation onto othersis raping your mother how you got registered as a sex offender?
I don't have to admit shit if I don't even try the game because it looks like gay cuckshit.
Buttholes Gaped was never good.
>>3198497Just leave them alone and let them be miserable.
I liked the gameplay.But some of the writing is REALLY bad.Main story especially is a mangled mess. You can really feel the constant rewrites.
>>3198497I liked the game, except for what Larian did with Viconia and Sarevok. Had to stop playing after that for a couple of days and then forcing myself to finish the game. Still salty, btw.
>>3198497How can there be nostalgia for something I played for the first time last year?Scenes like this was great and nothing in BG3 even come close to this level of quality for mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schKIswVdPcLarian just sucks at eveything. Their schtick was to be quirky and to come off as 'good guy' devs.
After a certain age, the brain loses the ability to enjoy new things in the way it once did. This has been proven with music but it applies to everything. RPG fans are on the older side and filled with memories of "the good old days", they don't have the ability to accept any change and want exactly what they had 20 years ago again. They take it as a sign of pride, but it's really a sign of mental decay. If you're early 30s or older and you hate all modern RPGs, it's not because you have standards, but because you lost the ability to enjoy new things. Everyone agrees BG3 is great, even /v/. It's only on retirement homes like here that you see much criticism.
>>3198650That's a lot of words just to disregard all criticism for something you like by using misunderstood armchair cognitive science.Ironically proving that you're the overly biased one here.
>>3198653I guess it's just a coincidence then you guys think all Larian RPGs are shit and there's not a single great WRPG of the past 10 years.
>>3198667who are these "guys"?the voices inside your head?
>>3198497It's not just the nostalgia factor, it's all of the LGBT shit shoehorned in, which also irritates me, but I don't give enough of a fuck about that to let it ruin the gameplay for me. Also I'm enjoying the story although it is starting to fall apart a bit in act 3. But overall, there is plenty of good dialogue and entertaining choices. I'm having a lot of fun breaking the game with cheese tactics and layering spells to interesting effect. Polymorphing someone into something small then flinging them with my berserker, dropping entangle on someone after hitting them with grease, completely locking them out of actions, etc. Good shit. Also, I guarantee there will be a bunch of sick mods that add even more replay value than there already is.
>>3198650I enjoyed Solasta a lot.I think BG3 writing is mostly total shit.How do you explain it with your armchair science?
>>3198497Because people tie too much of their identity to things they enjoy. Consequently, ensuring that their thing is the bestest thing becomes tied to their entire sense of right and wrong. You can tell from the lack of serious discussion about it, whether it's shallow posts that provide claims with no evidence, buzzwords, or pages of text attempting to justify really inane shit (like why RtwP is better than TB or vice-versa). Even as someone who believes that half of the value of art lies in discussing it, after a certain point it's just a video game and people need to accept that it's subjective in the end.
>>3198650 > proven> Incredibly sloppy exploratory findings from neuroscience charlatans can't be replicated but retards will insist it's established factoidsIt's all so tiresome. Please stop reading pop science nearly all of it is fake, as in legitimately is not measuring any real phenomena. Between the popularity of synthetic studies now and the average scientist being completely unable to understand the statistics they are using to think they have "proven" a conclusion, nearly all of it is worthless shit. Worse actually because it gets plebs like you to propagate this lazy nonsense until everyone simply acts as if it were true.I enjoyed solasta a month before I tried bg3 and found it to be a typical larian mixed bag.
>>3198502He took a face only a mother could love too literally.
>>3198497They have invested too much in the "old game good" mindset. Negative emotions born from elsewhere cloud their judgement.The negativity here has become so irrational and unnuanced it's worthless to read opinions anymore.Everything is shit by default, and they will come up with anything necessary to justify that opinion.
>>3198650>After a certain age, the brain loses the ability to enjoy new things in the way it once did>the way it once didi.e. uncritically. being old fucking rocks.
>>3198497Oldfags hate it, and normies drop it around 20h in.Looks like only contrarians like it
>>3198731We do they enjoy old games they haven't played before then?
>>3198735you can enjoy anything at any age, the thing is that you develop standards due to experience with your own tastes. when young, you just imprint too easily and you aren't able to judge things clearly due to hormones fucking with you. everybody tries to freak you out and vain people cry about it because wrinkles, but getting older is great.
>>3198734Almost 20% of people made it to the start of Act 3. That's pretty damned impressive actually, considering how many sales the game made. Also 40% of people made it past Act 1, which is around 20 hours.
>>3198738What he said is idiotic. Current games are bad. Bad concept, badly designed, laughably bad executed. No narrative design, no ludo narrative, just appeasement of the masses and asset flips. Don't like the lover, feel raped? Upsies, we will rewrite the script ASAP!
>>3198497>nostalgiaI always said that BG games were all shit, a unpopular opinion, like most truths.
>>3198679I tried solasta. I liked everything, besides the monster selection and encounter design.
>>3198715Tribalism
>>3198650That's bullshit though. I love some new games that /vrpg/ hates and thinks are shit, and I hate some old games /vrpg/ loves which are considered among the very best in the genre.
>>3198744well, i wasn't talking about just games, but yeah, creative industries across the board are suffering from cultural stagnation and hyper awareness of the audience, compounded with a lot of really awful mores floating around, which are delusional and far too childishly feminine in mien.
>>3198741act 1 is 10 hours and I did eveythingact 2 took me 14 hours and I did everything tooThe game is failing to keep people engaged for 20 - 24 hours.not impressive at all, but keep spinning.
>>3198631>Scenes like this was great and nothing in BG3 even come close to this level of quality for me>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schKIswVdPcWhat the fuck, what am I doing playing chuck's gate 3 when this kino exists?
>>3198795Funny, their ea version one achieved the same metric. Maybe they could've saved 130m and 3y of work if they only went with release 2020. By that time they could've finished bg4.
>>3198761>outs xirself as a plebbitorGo back.
>>3198795This might work for people who haven't played the game, or haven't kept up with conversation. I have. Even if I assume you aren't full of shit, you're experience is certainly an outlier. For what purpose do you post such garbage?
>>3198810your experience*. Can't wait for my entire post to be invalidated because of a typo.
>>3198497their potato pc's cant run it, that's about it, really
>>3198882I can run act 1 at 144 fps at 2560x1440 max settings, capping my monitor, while act 3 will chug down to as low as 40 fps. Act 3 also has a bad latency where you click on things and it takes a second or two for the game to process your command, including attacks in combat, which is extremely weird and annoying.The game is totally unoptimized past the act 1 that people played in EA and not only the performance but the story, writing, illusion of “choice”, and interactivity all crumble as you progress in the game. It’s painfully unfinished and rushed and half of act 3 was cut to get it out the door (e.g. entire upper city)
>>3198497shadowcute!
>>3198497BG3 is a 6/10 game. It becomes 7/10 with some mods. Unfortunately this is 2023 where most games in the last five or six years are 5/10.
>>3198741> That's pretty damned impressiveIt's not impressive. Many games have similar numbers if they have the same act structure. DOS2 for example had the same thing happening. People don't finish games. They play the character creator and then maybe play around in the beginning of the game and either leave it because they have to do something else and never come back to it or decide they don't like it and just forget about it. >>3198804Act 3 is something that should have been cut entirely while Acts 1+2 should have been further refined. They would've still needed that three years of development though.
>>3198497That's funny because BG3 players are literally cutting off their penises.
>>3198497I refuse to believe these are actual nostalgiafags. People who liked the BG series were usually given shit in CRPG communities for liking the inferior games in comparison with Goldbox titles, Dark Sun, TOEE, etc.
>>3198734>oldfags hate it>only contrarians like itnta, but you are so fucking pant-shittingly retarded it's unreal. As though you, or this tiny inconsequential bubble matter at all. The small handful of faggots who post here have shit taste and rarely even play the games they discuss. The game is already a success. The verdict is in. Everyone loves it except for a few basement dwellers who can't stop playing JRPGs (lol), that haven't read a book since they dropped out of highschool complaining about the writing lmaoThis board is an absolute ghost town. Have fun raging about this game with the 10 other people who actively post here.
>>3198497>contrarian niggersthey always complain about herd mentality but if you look closely they are their different kind of herd themselves.
>>3198741Don't forget that using mods disables achievements and that you can't use them as a metric for how many people completed x amount of the game.
lol Larian fags seething.
>>3199235Cope Starkek
>>3198650>you are not allowed to dislike game>if you say you dislike game and give reasons you are lying>if you're under 30 and enjoy the OG games you are lying>i will ignore or downplay any specific criticism you have for BG3kys, delusional pseud.
>>3198741>Also 40% of people made it past Act 1, which is around 20 hours.>>3198810>>3198812Less than a third finishes act 1 according to GOG
>>3199152Why are you appealing to popular opinion like it's some kind of own on a 4chan rpg board? this genre is notoriously elitist. Nobody gives a fuck about what slop normies gobble up.
>>3198741>act 1>20hrssure if you skip half the content
>>3199247>Less than a third finishes act 1 according to GOGyeah that's meI just can't bring myself to clean out the goblin camp or the witches basement with the glorious lvl4 combat, and don't particularly compelled to power through by the writing either
>>3199256Ridiculous. On my 2nd playthrough I needed 7-8h for 100%.
>>3199044Doesn't matter, that would still be the better game by far. They should've planned a reikogy from the start. Last part would feature the dead three as final boss and tav and her team achieve demi god hood.
>>3199260(you)
>>3199271Act 1 is short, shizo around as much as you like. Act 2 is laughably short. Literally kethric family, crypt and moonrise. Act 2 is even shorter as one and the enemies can't do shit against you, as you are already around level 8 in act 2.
>>3199289So you are skipping the majority of the content? Ok.
>>3199256I restarted a bunch of times, but on my current run (finishing up act 3 now), doing everything 100% took me about 20 hours to finish act 1. I can see it taking longer for your first playthrough going in blind.
>>3199308My first playthrough after EA took me 49hrs. That is doing everything there is to do in act 1, including the mountain pass and creche. It took me around 130hrs to complete, with a few hours of idle time but not that many.
>>3199259There's easily enough stuff to do to hit level 5 and destroy the goblin camp and hag hut.
lol 20h per act, fucking shills.My current campaing, lv 11 and a half. Chosen of Baal and Cazador done, the only mission I skipped was saving the prisioners in act 2. About to get 30 hours.
>>3199289>Act 1 is short,It's massive even if you go the straight route only. Starting area has plenty of hidden content. Owl Bear fight, spider boss fight, dungeon under the goblin camp, all with unique encounters and game mechanics that can not be rushed through on first play. Then you can go two routes, with Creche along Mountain Passalone is 10h if you do everything in it. Or if you go Underdark route, it is even larger, two tier dungeon with hard optional fights, and a ton of content in it. Then for Act 2, you can experience the area that you missed, while Shadow Lands are another huge area. It's painfully obvious that you haven't even played the game that you're shitting on. You can skip things, and breaze through the game, but that requires foreknowledge of the game, it's mechanics, demands precise dialogue selection, with luck or savescumming to get the right resolutions that won't get you into a fight that is not possible to win, since you'll be underleveled skipping majority of content and xp opportunities.
DRAWFAG BROS? YOU'VE BEEN SLACKING
>>3199350130h sounds pretty high to me. As I said a few posts, ago, doing 100% of everything in act 1 took me about 20 hours on not-my-first-character, including both the Underdark + Creche/Monastery.Act 2 was about 20 hours as well, doing everything 100%. I'm in act 3 right now and it's longer than the first two acts, both in terms of the sheer amount of stuff, and its density, as well as the horrible performance and lag of the game.Part of the problem is that the faggots at Larian keep breaking the timer with every patch they release, if you're using any mods at all (I cannot imagine playing this without any mods).I'd say an estimate of 70-80 hours for a completionist playthrough are reasonable. You can obviously finish the game faster if you skip half of everything.I'm playing solo and with 4x XP to simulate the classic Baldur's Gate xp cheesing, and hit level 20 killing the dragon the other day, with a big chunk of act 3 left to go.
>>3199350You clearly did some speedrunning or you would be level 12 already.
>>3199372>completionist playthroughThe problem with this game is that half of the quests you could do are not worth the time in act 3.
>>3199386Nope, in the campaign I'm playing with some friends we skipped the adamantine forge, the underdark wizard tower and the retard stuck in the mushrooms and still got to the city almost a level ahead of the evil path.I think the difference comes from the xp rewards if you go evil, they may be bugged because you don't get any xp at all when you complete some of them.Btw, it could be argued that the second act is longer if you follow the dark urge, because wiping the last Inn takes easily 30 to 40 minutes.And as you can see with the save with all those saves in Cazador's dungeon, I'm taking my time exploring all the options in the dialogue.So the anon is right, most people dropping the game before act 1 or 2 is pretty pathetic for this game.Imo the game is enjoyable until act 3, specially if you play with more people like DO2, but something's very wrong in act three, as soon as we entered the city my friends got bored, and now that I'm playing alone I finding it boring too.
>>3199389This is a fair point.
>>319849740 yr old virgins posting on this site are brain-dead and jaded so they can't enjoy anything new.
>>3199447>we skipped the adamantine forge, the underdark wizard tower and the retard stuck in the mushroomsSo you skipped contentAct 1 in no orderNautolidGathering party members from the Starting areaThe gobbo fight outside the groveSaving AribellaTalking to NettieThe tomb of thayThe cave where you rescue the one druid from gobbosThe harpiesThe owlbearThe enirity of the underdarkThe hidden area of the underdark with BoohalGrymforge The entire gobbo campThe trader hideoutThe teahouse and swampThe fight against shadow druidsMeeting Raphael The mountain pass and the crecheAny companion side quest stuffGithyanki patrolThe Dungeon where you find WithersI've probably missed one or two things as well
>Please validate meNo
>>3199370Seems even Nyl has jumped the shit.
>>3199301Illiterate, see>>3199260
>>3199360Agree, on the first play I needed 28h for everything. Now only 8h max. Bg3 has a lot of bloat, like picking up litter.
>>3199900Am I supposed to know who that is?
Why are zoomies so obsessed with doing things as fast as possible?
>>3199943pornography induced desensitization. it's also evident in the writers of bg3's work.
>>3199875No, I didn't. Read again. That's the other campaign I was playing with friends; they got bored in act 3.The screencap is from the one in which the only thing I missed were the midget prisoners in act 2.There's no way you spent +50h before reaching bg unless you leave the game minimized while doing other things.
>>3199957>There's no way you spent +50h before reaching bg unless you leave the game minimized while doing other things.how else is he going to spam the site with BG3 threads
>>3199957>There's no way you spent +50h before reaching bgYes, by doing absolutely everything there is to do, talking to everyone, exploring the whole of the maps, talking to companions, and all the rest of it. If it took you less than 50hrs to reach the gate you missed or skipped a load of content. >>3199977>how else is he going to spam the site with BG3 threadsI don't even spam any threads, I make a couple of posts a day.
>>3199941One of the biggest futafag animation crators.If even he isn't happy with the game's companions, this should tell you something.
>>3198497They're not the target audience for this game so they're upset that their franchise now caters to normies instead
>>3198497It has nothing to do with the game being new and everything to do with 5E being liquid shit.
>>3198650Here's a list of things I likeSopranos, Kingdom Hearts 3, Bocchi, Amphibia, Lodge 49, The Bear, FMA, Dragon Ball, Trailer Park Boys, Soul Eater, One Piece, Twin Peaks, EEAAO, Good Will Hunting
>>3198650On the one hand, you're right and I do hate everything. But on the other hand, everything truly is awful.
>>3200198Wrong, I've played Act 1 & 2 multiple times on Tactician which slows down progress.Act 1 is 10-15 tops. Act 2 is maybe 10~, but I doubt that since you can clear out the Thorm's kids and hit up the Shar trials in the city in under an hour and that's like 1/4 the content just there.You should be level 7+ at the end of Act 1and probably 10 or close to it at the end of Act 2.>>3198650Not true. The first RPGs I played were KotOR and Morrowind and I can acknowledge BG3 is mechanically better. Most people that hate the game are RTWP lovers (why? it's awful) or justifiably annoyed by the degenerate content in BG3.
>>3200695>t. unpaid shillThey pay you too much, Vijay.
>>3198497Projecting are we Larianfag? go fuck a Tranny like your whore waifu does every tuesday.
>>3200997nigger who didn't play the game posting pic about another nigger who didn't play it....cope nostalgia fag you will never be happy again.
>>3200997>muh tranniesPlease fuck off back to /pol/ chudcel.
>>3201037I'm being happy playing Wrath of the Righteous right now, you fag.
>>3201490OBVIOUS falseflag
Personally, I am just mad that I will no longer be able to heckle DOS2 fags for simping a company of souless hacks, because somehow after the abominación del alma perdida that was DOS2, they put out one of the best CRPG reneisance games with BG3
>>3198650I dont remember there being nigger dwarves and elves, pronouns, body type 1-2, and trannies all over the place in my games in the ‘good old days’.
>>3201556good culture warring faggots don't deserve to enjoy things
>>3201569I enjoyed the game, killed the nigger companion and used mods to remove all the black people. Cope and seethe, tranny.
>>3201037>who didn't play the game thank god i didn't because i don't want to play this aids ridden game. Shitposting about it is more amusing. >>3201039>Pleasesuck my dick you little cuck and maybe i will
>>3201490>my game isn't pozzed>atheism>dyke black female warriors
>>3201636being a 40 yr old neet virgin does funny things to a man's brain.
>>3201636Anyone who hasn't played bg3 automatically gets more credibility. Anyone who has played bg3 has to prove to me they aren't retarded before I will pay attention to them.
>>3201661>Mr Nostalgia fag acting smart again holy kek reminder that your brain is so fried you can't enjoy new things anymore
>>3198650Facts that anonymous isn't ready to hear
>>3199389The game needs an epilogue badly.As it is I feel no urge to replay it. There really is no reason to even do quests. The difficulty is nonexistent and there is no closure for them.
>>3201669There was an epilogue and they cut it before release, just like they cut the upper city. Then they gaslight about “uh we didn’t run out of time and money, we just cut stuff out because uhh we really care about high standards and it wasn’t good enough”
>>3201669>>3199389Doesn't help that two of the most important areas of Act 3 are just missing>no Upper City>no Avernusno fucking wonder the final act feels so rushedit's missing the climactic areas that escalate things further>they have the bugbear merchant introduce the devil that Karlach befriended in hell who ended up betraying her>never gets brought up again or goes anywherethere's so much cut contentdefinitely gonna wait a year or two before bothering to replay it
>>3198497OP how do you get such good face shots?
>>3200198Just reached baldurs gate, 22h in my save, not a single mission skipped according to online guides.Lariandrones are as pathetic as owlcucks as this point
>>3201664>reminder that your brain is so fried you can't enjoy new things anymoreThank god. I don't want to be so braindead that i will enjoy BG3.>>3201660Easy on the projection Lariantroon
>>3202289The timer for your save keeps getting reset with every patch, if you haven’t noticed. If you really did act 1 + act 2 in 20 hours you for sure missed stuff. On not-my-first-character I did all of act 1 (including Underdark, grymforge, crèche, monastery) in 20 hours and I’m playing solo with no companions and skipping cutscenes. I think bg3 sucks but it’s a fairly long game if you’re a completionist and thorough. I’d say about 80 hours. If it’s worth spending 80 hours on is an entirely different question.
>>3202561>nostalgia fag >calling others brain-deadyou are not as clever as you think faggot
>>3201669An epilogue will not fix the shitshow that is the third act or any of the other problems in game. But the game does have an epilogue. What else do you think that cutscene after the end or any of the romance scenes after the end are?
>>3201706They had seven years to develop this game BTW. Game devs have been increasingly incompetent in the last decade. Larian is no exception.
>>3202289>LariandronesThe correct term is Lardianiggers
>>3202679They know exactly what they're doing by polishing the shit out of the first third and ignoring the last. DOS2 was the same. First week hype drives sales.
>>3202717It makes sense to do that for a game that only has 2-3 years of development. But you should expect better from a game that had 6-7 years of development.
>>3198650Based>>3201556>I dont remember there being nigger dwarves and elves, pronouns, body type 1-2, and trannies all over the place in my games in the ‘good old days’.Duergar and drow have been a thing since AD&D, thre are no pronouns in BG3, and there's like 1 tranny. that you can (and should) bully and murder, just like every single homo you meet. >>3200622Manificently trash taste, I kneel.
>>3198497>Cut off penis yet somehow can rape peopleAlso gay bear sex simulator is still bad, especially after act 2.
>>3198650>After a certain age, the brain loses the ability to enjoy new things in the way it once did.Then why did Superhero movies become popular, despite most people never watching any of these characters?
>>3203534>Duergar and drow have been a thing since AD&DThey also stay underground.>thre are no pronouns in BG3It's in the character creation menu>there's like 1 tranny. that you can (and should) bully and murder, just like every single homo you meet. That's everyone since they're all sex-crazed bisexuals.
>>3203581>They also stay underground.>"who is Drizzt">"what is Rime of the Frostmaiden"Really, zoomer? >It's in the character creation menuIt's identity, it dosn't play any role in dialogue since Larian went with "they" on everything referring to the Protagonist to cut down on lines, just as BG1/2 did. >That's everyone since they're all sex-crazed bisexuals.And you can legitimately kill fucking everyone.
>>3203534>Duergar and drow have been a thing since AD&DDuergar have gray skin and drow have literal black skin, neither of them are "nigger" colored (see: dark brown). You're full of shit.
>>3203588Next thing you'll claim is that ar*bs and sl*vs are not niggers.
>>3203589Based and vrilpilled.
>>3200622My point is that old or new doesn't matter to me.
Is the Evil route in this game actually cool or is it just chaotic retard murder hobo that has 1/10th of the content because the "evil" path in every quest is just haha I killed him :D
>>3203695The first act has the same amount of content, after that you lose a lot because it's a murder hobo simulator.
>>3203583>>"who is Drizzt"Are you fucking retarded to the core? THe main point of drizzle is the fact that he's one of the only Drow to fucking have wild adventures in the surface.>It's identity,You're literally admitting your loss dude>hurr durr there be no pronouns>hurr durr ok dem be pronoun but dem be irrelevat!>And you can legitimately kill fucking everyone.Which is not challenging and offer 0 reward.
>>3203695It's retarded after act 1 and even then it makes you lag 1-2 levels behind
>>3199344can confirm, did gobbo camp, currently in hag hut and Wyll just hit Lvl5. i got fucked up by the flying things next to hag hut but cleared out everywhere else. underworld is next.
>>3198497>baldurs gay 3i would rather die then torturing myself playing a new woke game.
idpol has come a long way, huh
>>3206483>culture warring faggotonly thing you deserve is death
>>3206629Or maybe it's just boring you retard.
>>3199868>40 yr old virginsbut trannies love BG3
>>3198497Some of the things you like in the game, simply isn't other people's cup of tea.
>>3198497>"rpg" with no actual rpg gameplay whatsoever BUT you can romance gay bearsgood or bad is one thing but it's not what I was told and I got my money back for that reason alone
>>3206905>"rpg" with no actual rpg gameplay whatsoeveruh what
>>3198497The faggots on all /v/ adjacent boards don't actually play video games. Nearly every single opinion here is completely irrelevant.
>>3198679>>3198756I enjoyed being able to win nearly every encounter by finding a choke point, putting a Spike Growth on it, and kiting enemies through said choke point.
>>3198497>nostalgia fags will rather cut off their penisNice projection there xer
>>3206905you never played the game faggot don't lie
>>3206958>>3207172cope. just because you roll d20s doesn't make it an rpg when there's no actual roleplaying
>>3207174if you play a role it is a roleplaying game
>>3198497I like it better than the first two, and I'm a pretty hardcore grog who unironically plays Gold Box games to completion.
>>3207174>when there's no actual roleplayingexplain....from what I played there is plenty of role playing.
>>3198497BG3 is an unpolished mess, with an unbelievably horrible UI, ridiculously inconsistent voice recording, with the titular city cut to shit for release.>>3198583>You can really feel the constant rewrites.Or hear it when they switch to some new voice lines in the middle of dialogue.
what they did to my nigger sarevok was a war crime
>>3198497Shadowheart sucks.
>>3207318I just finished this last night. Game honestly sucks. By act 3 I could no longer suspend my disbelief, and goodwill towards it, and the game gradually convinced me it was shit. By mid act 3 I actively disliked it and was only finishing it to see just how bad it gets. The entire endgame sequence is absolutely retarded and ridiculous.I sincerely cannot believe posters here saying “it’s a masterpiece” or “the first great RPG in a long time” are human beings who aren’t being paid to lie. I could, at most, believe someone who says “yeah it kinda sucks but I still like it and think it’s fun” even if I disagree that’s still a valid opinion. L
>>3207403All the characters brought back were absolute travesties. Just leave it the fuck alone. Every characters development and/or redemption was wiped away and made a caricature of themselves. Sarevok is a clown hanging out with the ghosts of Melisandre (yeah like she was still in good graces with Bhaal right) in the sewers. Viconia rather than repenting is now cackling evil. Jaheira is a girlboss. Minsc, rather than a goofy but proud warrior for good, is a crime lord living in the sewers robbing banks and hanging out with doppelgängers without realizing it (of which he canonically slew many in bg1 and durlags tower)They even made fuckin Noober into a meme with some famous voice actor I don’t care about or recognize.So many things were just namedropped from the infinity engine games. “Cranium rats swarm when the elder brain is near!” Nigger that’s supposed to be a cranium rat brain not a fuckin illithid brain.While fast forwarding through the credits one line stuck out to me in the thank yous>thanks to my friend so and so who told me way more lore about the first games than I neededIt honestly reminds me of Netflix Witcher. Made by people with active contempt for the source material and its fans, and targeted at people who didn’t know anything about it.
>>3207521I'm having to skip dialogue and cutscenes it's so bad, and the combat is terrible compared to Pathfinder.
>so riddled with spyware its hampering performanceabsolute state of WRPGs
>>3198497It has no soul like Dragon Age origins,yes, I said it,Dragone Age origins is materpiece >Verification not required.
>>3207611>Dragone Age origins is materpieceyou aren't as smart as you think you are nigger
>>3207529>thanks to my friend so and so who told me way more lore about the first games than I needed
>>3208201Games have nothing to do with intelligence,only crpg fags and jar pig who living in their mother's basement still believe this
>>3198650>After a certain age, the brain loses the ability to enjoy new things in the way it once did.Stopped reading here, this is already retarded. Every single fucking time someone mentions nostalgia in any way, all it takes to prove it wrong is someone picking up an old game they never played before and enjoying it more than anything in the same genre released relatively recently.But of course then you'll try to think of some stupid reason why that doesn't count or isn't genuine.
>>3199244>any specific criticism you have for BG3Because most of these are exaggerated, nitpicked or measured by standards no other game is held by.BG3 is popular, that's why people hate it. They don't dislike it, they don't just ignore it because it's not their cup of tea. They HATE it because being a contrarian is what people have been doing on 4chan for many many years.
>>3208461Are you high? I absolutely hate Solasta for the same reason I don't like BG3. It's not contrarianism, it's me hating the fuck out of the system both games are based off of. It's not fucking fun.
>>3208461most retarded golem response you could've musteredCyberpunk 2077 is popular tooGo on, defend it like you're trained to do.
>>3208461For me, it's seeing the obviously astroturfed BG3 defence force praising the game as the second coming of christ despite having no party select screen and other basic UE features that makes me more critical of bg3 than I normally would be. Also the pozzed writing
>>3208461>Sneedploy8ns purples hote baldurs nate jus furry the sakke af et.Brappy kek. Durs mony monkey reasons tinkle hate larianSHIN baldurrs nate than just bebuzz ets mode furm larian buck boi snuck toy.
>>3208479I actually wanted to like bg3 and three years ago when the early access came out I was saying “it’s probably gonna be good!”. The release version slowly convinced me it was bad by being a shitty game.
>>3208461>measured by standards no other game is held by.Not true at all.You just don't have standards so can't understand when you see someone applying them.
I recently started playing this game, I am in the first zones and its going like absolute shit bad so far. And not bad but hilariously kind of way. Real bad as in bad way.>land on beach>shadowheart seems like a manipulative edgelord so far >don't accept her to join you>are you sure?>are you really REALLY sure?>yes go away>a hand sticking out asking for help>got spoilered before he hijacks the game by threat of blowing up a bomb>cut off his hand and let him blow up in another dimension>one more dev placed problem solved>shadowheart appears at the druids place and wants to join>nah>run into this autist black one eye rapier fag>seems like a retard>flashy marvel cutscene at the gate only fueled my irritation further>turbo obsessed sworing oaths about hunting someone>couldnt care less, bye>run into karlach>ahoy ye go'a leaycense fo' that soord govnah??>character is really overdone, "Im all flames and cheeky oi boy??" but okay>help me get rid of bunch of thugs and I help you in return?>finally looks like a reasonable character>recruit my first party member>go camp to rest>rapier fag appears>HOY she is the one I was hunting for years>oiii m8 stahp I am a good gal I swear on me mum>plot armor worm. see? Im a good gal>oh I see. ok then let me join you>????????????>fuck off>are you really REALLY sure?>karlach berates you for not adding him to your party>?????????????????????cont.
>>3208704>finally go to sleep>greenhorn bard alfira comes, wants to join>go away>yes go away>yes really go away>"oh you are a bastard ok I will run away back to town">she sticks with you anyway and durge murders him in his sleep>???????>ok wash yourself clear of blood first>wash blood off in a bucket>"with the corpse disposed off" durge immediately goes right to sleep right next to a mutilated body lying 2 meters away>?????????>continue the next day>intimidate goblins in camp by bladework as a fighter, convince them by telling you are here to join as a mercenary>they let you into their camp>few meters in fall on your knees, have a vision "the authority you used many times before is being used on you">?????????>the authority that I explicitly never choose anywhere in any of the dialogues as my character is focused on getting rid of that brainworm, not reconciliation>suddenly cutscene of shadowheart >shadowheart appears in middle of a fucking goblin camp>??????????????????????????????????>youre lucky I caught up to you now bud>?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????this fucking game, honestly its going at best a 3/10 so far. appearantly theres just one way to play this rpg with a little wiggle room around that line and if you deviate from that path entire thing turns into such a joke. what were they smoking when they wrote this or am I playing a beta version???
>>3208706The beta version three years ago was less stupid. Wait til you get to act 3 it’s even more railroaded and retarded and nonsensical.Late in development they clearly radically redesigned the story and merged/cut/changed huge elements. They also cut a ton of shit from the late game this summer right before release.
>>3208706oh you're going to love act 2 and 3 then. There're several plot points that would be retarded even by rpgmaker monodev standards. And they hit you continuosly to the point that I started to wonder if they were bugs and the dialogue branch should be linked to a different outcome or something.
>>3208710I just told shadowheart to fuck off 3 times and she is gaslighting me, clearly stating that there is no playing this game without her. I am just just one milimeter away from starting a murderhobo spree. I kind of doubt Ill play this a lot longer, especially if the game may murder me just because I dont want that edgelord in my party. but I am kind of intrigued how worse it can get by your description of act 3, Ill try to see and laugh at how it gets.
>>3208753You can kill Shadowheart at the beginning, I killed all the origin chars save Gale because you aren’t allowed to because he’s a developers self insert. She has the magical macguffin but if she’s dead, it attaches to you instead. In act 3, Viconia is like bring me Shadowheart and I’m like bitch literally who? I never recruited her or traveled with her at all, she’s dead. There’s similar stuff with the other companions. Laezel and Astarions corpses both teleport to their plot relevant positions.
>>3208753>>3208764Wait, so you can kill Shadowheart, but you can't tell her to fuck off? Lmao.
>>3208766It gets worse in acts 2 and 3 you’ll see. Shadowheart has the macguffin and even if she’s dead and you have it, there’s a power inside the macguffin that’s protecting you from the absolute, and if you reject the power you just get a game over.
>>3208767That was in the beta now the mcguffing teleports itself into your pocket when you go to the creche, at least in my run.Brilliant writing, truly one for he ages.
>>3208766If you finished the goblin-refugees mission the mcguffinf teleports into your pocket and she dissapears forever, but you miss a choice in the main quest halfway act 2. A false choice to be precise because it has literally no impact in the main arc.
>>3208704This post is DSP tier.
>>3208764>>3208767>>3208769>>plot critical device>item rarity being artifact tier>how can we introduce this to the player?>lets put it onto our special companion character just like that>and lets just have it magically hone in and ram into pc backpack laterwhat the hell, you could at least make up a somewhat convincing little story of running into this super rare thing somehow somewhere
>>3208777The party has a shared inventory. The way the game is set up is that by the end of act 1 is either dead or has accepted that she must trust you. This is absolutely absurd nitpicking.
>>3208777"Teleporting mcguffing/character" is a common mistake in fan fiction writing.
>>3208777As I said before, you're going to love act 3.
>>3208782People don't realize the entire reason your party is relevant is because of the artifact, not the worms. Plenty of people throughout the game have worms in their heads. No artifact, no adventure.
>>3208782consider if she has never been recruited and in case if she is dead somewhere along aswell, how the hell does a rare artifact flies its way into my pack? And if that artifact is so hecking magically sentient like that, why me but not all those many people who share the same brainworm fate?
>>3207177Is halo an rpg because you play the role of master chief?
>>3208792Ignoring the hows, whys and whens is a comon mistake in fan fiction writing.
>>3208706>>3208704>>3208710>land on the beachI made picrel criticism almost two years ago.Shills got mad and swore up and down that I needed to play the game more everything would be explained and wait for release it wasn't fair to judge early access everything will be worth it in the end.But I knew it was going to be worthless dogshit before you even land on the beach. I'd never seen a bigger "retards writing for retards" red flag in an RPG before.
>>3208792Balduran is in the artefact and is manipulating Shadowheart to find you. If you avoid her she goes insane and comments that when she's near you the voices go away.>but why youIt's not you, and balduran straight up says you're a replacable puppet just like shadowheart.
>>3208805>I needed to play the game more everything would be explainedThey were right and you're just a schizo.
>>3208805>screencapped his own post years agowew lad
>>3208860every single detail coming out about how shit in BG3 plays out just confirms that its writing is sub fan fiction tier and shills like you have no standards whatsoever. You'd literally slurp up diarrhea if there was enough food coloring on it.
>>3208823Another scene deleted in the game, it was in the beta, now it doesn't trigger and you get the artifact and that's all. So I'm siding with>>3208800
The plot makes more sense if you play Dark Urge because you're directly involved by birthright, (pretty sure durge canonically kills tav) but it's written in such a way that a literally who like Tav can simply be manipulated by the powers that be to fulfill the same ends because you're in a situation where if you don't listen you just die since there's a killswitch in your head. It's actually a pretty interesting concept, the whole idea behind Tav and Dark Urge is neat.
>>3208865yes, BG3 shills were so tiresome and mentally challenged I found I was repeating myself constantly. So often I saved a couple of posts for reference. Picrel was NOT me, also saved from the same time period./vrpg/ is a really stupid board. Almost as stupid as /v/ if not worse. But amidst all the jrpg consoleshitters, Elder Scrolls casuals, Obsidiots and Owlniggers, one fanbase surpasses them all in terms of sheer dumbfuck stupidity and tastelessness. That fanbase is, without question, fans of Baldur's Gate 3.
>>3208869>Another scene deleted in the gameIt's not though
>>3208881I liked that scene, always killed the bitch, played twice the gold version, never recruited sh, didn't trigger, and didn't trigger in patch 9 either so...
>>3208872Originally Tav = dark urge. At some point late in development they were spun off to be separate.If you play as Tav (I did), you find dark urge murdered by Orin at the end of the game
>>3208792If you kill her, you get a cutscene where the artifact flies to you and then you can’t drop it or get rid of it.Big spoiler question if anyone who’s finished the game can answerI have beaten the game but how the fuck does Balduran get inside the astral prism? So the prism was created as a prison for Orpheus by Vlaakith and then somehow Balduran got inside of it and realized he could hijack Orpheus’s powers? How did the Sharrans find out about the artifact and where was it when Shadowheart and friends got sent on their mission to find it? I killed Shadowheart on the beach and always told Balduran to go fuck himself, im reading between the lines here
>>3208872>>3208955Tav feels so boring compared to all of the companions in the game and you don't even really have much of a backstory that I can't see why you'd play as anything other than Dark Urge.
>>3208896First you ignore her at the pod, then the Grove, then at the goblin camp, and then after that when you rest she attacks you. If you let her die on the nautiloid the artifact will attach itself to you. Thousands of man hours went into solving these plot inconsistencies so you could do this.
>>3208969and in all those thousand hours nobody ever once considered that a less retarded idea might be worth trying out
>>3208979If this was done 20 years ago you'd be cumming over how cool it was
>>320898220 years ago I was nailing your mother, not playing videogames.
>>3208982People are still making fun of “But thou must!” To this day
>>3208969That's what I did in my two runs, ignore her every time, kill, in one run, the goblin leaders, in the other the refugees, celebrate; then go to the creche. The item appears in your pocket when the frog captain asks for it and teh scene never triggers.
>>3209003Did you get the scene in the goblin camp where the absolute hijacks your brain and shadowheart shows up to save you?
>>3209007The one in the bridge? yes, of course, its impossible to get into the camp.
>>3209012it's impossible to get into the camp without triggering the scene I mean.
>>3209014An early run before settling on my final character, when I was merely not recruiting origin characters instead of Total Origin Character Death, when I had the Shadowheart teleporting bullshit, she still stood around there and actually got upset and joined combat against me when I attacked a gobbo, as if I was attacking random civilians in a town for no reason. Was real aggravating
>>3209020She usually disappears after the camp celebration scene. The scene in which she assaluts the camp either was erased os doesn't trigger and therefore this explanation >>3208823 is shitty headcannon.
>>3208966you're the definition of an npc
>>3209026>shitty headcannon.That's literally more or less what happens in the game anyways regardless of whether or not the cutscene still exists. That's... literally... the game's plot.
>>3209030I think you don't understand the difference between plot and writing.Ghostbusters 1 and Ghosbusters 2016 have almost the same plot points.The writing makes the difference.So maybe with good writing you can make a good story with brain parasites tied to an interdimensional mcguffing, tied to an interplanar race at war with an elder brain which is at the same time tied to three gods' chosens... But this is not it. During act 3 the story simply collapses and the endings are horrible. I don't know in which thread it was, but some anon wrote a list of saturday-morning cartoon's plot devices in act 1 and 2 and it wasn't a short list. And act 3 is much, much worse.
>>3207529Jaheira was unironic kino and probably the best written companion thoughever
>>3209050>I think you don't understand the difference between plot and writingNo, the game is literally written to be that way, the point of contention here is whether or not a piece of optional well hidden foreshadowing was removed/bugged. And not for nothing, but I have no idea why you're leaning into narrative harder and harder when that's the least important part of a video game, especially an rpg, and only exists to string the player between interesting places where adventures take place. As is, the plot is entire serviceable and worthy of baldurs gate, the writing is good enough and has generated plenty of memorable moments and characters, and it is mostly consistent as to not take the player out of the game, and what inconsistencies that are present are likely due to bugs which are rapidly being patched. Seriously, this sperging out about story is starting to make me think you might smell bad, if you're an elder scrolls/console bioware fan just admit it so you can be approriately ignored.
>>3198602>what larian didunfortunately that's a wotc thing. it's part of le new 5e canon and keeping to it is part of the licenseyes its revolting but the blame is misplaced and i have absolutely no doubt that if wotc let them then larian would canonise viconia romance and sarevok redemption, swen is a genuine turbo autist
>>3198602>>3209181Yeah, this is on wizards. They needed a retarded excuse to resurrect Bhaal.
>>3207529>While fast forwarding through the credits one line stuck out to me in the thank yous>>thanks to my friend so and so who told me way more lore about the first games than I neededIs this real?
>>3209193Yes. I saw it while watching the credits after finishing it the other night. I wanted to see the heckin’ marvel-esque hidden scene after the credits with Withers aka Jerghal dunking on the dead three.It really stuck out to me as bg3 in a microcosm
>>3198650Mother of all cope posts
>>3198650dont worry, you grow out of it once you play all the old games and stop pretending to just have done it
>>3198667Disco Elysium is the only great rpg to come out in the last 10 years.Kingdom Come was good but had too many Witcher movie-game elements.
>>3198650What a bunch of nonsense.The reason everything sucks now is because of the vastly increased commercialization of media that let to an increase in academic pursuit of these areas. This resulted in the vast majority of jobs in those areas being filled by young academics who lack the passion and life experience of those who brought us the greatest media between the 70s and early 00s out of sheer passion rather than just wanting to make a living.
>>3208799yes
>>3209599>life experienceit has nothing to do with life experienceGaming just became a corporate business and now caters to every braindead ape instead of a select few nerdsIt's the same thing that happened to movies and TV. The people who make videogames now are dads with two mortgages who barely manage to slip in 2 hours of fortnite every other night, when the wife lets them.You can't compare that to the literal permavirgin shutins, D&D playing, actual nerds that used to make games. It's why games have taken leaps and bounds technically and completely died off artistically. Even indie games suffer from this, they're often a good idea, completely stiffled from a complete lack of understanding of how to make it interesting artistically, which is why every other indie title has '''''''retro graphics'''''''' (read: our artists can't model or animate so we're going to pretend to be paying homage to old games) or a playdoh artstyle so they don't have to actual model or animate anything.Videogames are no longer made by or for people like you, that's all it is. Movie fans went through the same thing not that far back, and now all they get is garbage marvel movies every year.
>>3209675There are plenty of awesome indie games, movies that aren't hollywood jew slop. Go watch Boiling Point.
>>3200236>If even he isn't happy with the game's companions, this should tell you something.That Nyl is an AGP who is inherently disgusted by heterosexual and bisexual women?
>>3198650>It's only on retirement homes like here that you see much criticismStopped reading there. Go fuck yourself.
>>3209704No, there aren't. There's a handful of good indie games at best, and even that becomes less impressive when you realize the amount that gets released every day.Indie games that actually become a staple can be counted on one hand, and you won't use all fingers.Indie games are only good if you're easily impressed by novel gameplay concepts and nothing else. There's lots of those there, but actually taking those and making a fully functional, well-designed, well-paced game with it is as rare as rare gets. Even the few that manage it tend to be one or two hours long and that to me makes them little more than tech demos.
>>3210100Damn, bitch, why do you have to type so much?
>>3199900That's because the romance in bg3 wasn't designed as something to enhance their characters, it was put there entirely as a marketing point for braindead zoomer coomers (it worked, too) and it's also why it feels so weirdly paced and like it doesn't fit anywhere in the story.
>>3210100>There's a handful of good indie games at bestThis is how I know you do not play Indie games. Now, if we're talking about Indie rpg's and not Indie games as a whole, I agree, but if you're talking about the entirety of gaming then you haven't experienced enough Indie games compared to triple and double A slop to really even know what you're talking about. Also stop using Reddit spacing.
>>3210105Indie games are good. Indie RPGs are awful.
>>3210106correct
>>3210105>Stop making your posts readableEat my ass.As for your argument, you're welcome to post 5 indie games that you consider to be excellent and I will tell you how at least half of them are nothing more than a tech demo, or god forbid, just bad games, I'm giving you enough credit as to hope you won't recommend shit like Vampire Survivors, because that wouldn't even be worth a reply.
>>3210114Again, you have not played enough Indie games to make such sweeping generalizations and the fact you even know of five indie games you like is testament to this. Also go back to Preddit and stay there.
>>3210116I was on 4chan before you even knew what it was, but yes, I figured you were just seething and had nothing to say, thank you for the concession. Wise choice instead of having the whole thread laugh at you.
>>3210118Thank you for proving my point, anon. Tone down the ego or the enlightened atheists are going to want you back on their subreddit.
>>3210077>getting mad over being called an old fuckHow insecure
>>3210105>Reddit spacing.Newfag
>>3210116As a bystander here, I'm waiting for you to provide some examples. (RPGs, preferably. I know anon didn't specify but we can at least pretend this is /vrpg/)I've been playing Crystal Project. I like it a lot but it's decidedly under-powered on the art side, the writing is extremely minimal, and the jumping. The last was part of the draw for me but what I'd REALLY like to see is a game with minimalist but high-quality characters, world-building and quest design. Sort of like the original Baldur's Gate but not 25 years old technology and not based on a tabletop system.Played Pillars of Eternity for a little while. Couldn't get back into it after life interrupted. I liked the idea in principle (move away from D&D but keep the crpg feel) but found the new ruleset uninteresting and other than that didn't really break much new ground. But overall I would give Indie games credit for PoE I suppose.Have Dungeon Rats on my backlog. I might play Age of Decadence just to say I did it, but what I've heard of it (statcheck simulator) does not appeal to me.Wildermyth seems almost exactly what anon was talking about, one novel idea barely fleshed out into a playable game.Fell Seal - Arbiter's Mark. Solid and enjoyable but isn't even as good as the PS1 game that inspired it. Art is medium-quality. Tech is medium-quality (can't rotate the map like in FFT). Classes are overly balanced. Lame western femoid protagonist in otherwise generic story.
>>3210178>, the writing is extremely minimal, and the jumping. The last was part of the draw for meSorry, what I meant to say was that the minimalist writing was the draw for me and was going to omit the comment on the jumping, which I find a bit overused and tedious but get why it's there (make the exploration more engaging).
>>3210178He won't post shit because he's a moron who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and will just continue to make assumptions to reinforce that, like I haven't played a gazillion indie games.I hate these idiots who constantly shill indie games as the solution to mass-appeal AAA games. They're completely different things.
I'm very slowly going through BG3 as it isn't really dragging me in, so I am still in act 1 and I do wonder. Does the game just expect me to be retarded and fall for obvious traps, or even worse what is retarded is the writing, and I am expected just to roll with the stupidity?Just from the top of my head>a vampire sneaks at me at night, picking exactly me out of every single possible target and then just goes "I don't mean anything by it, just trust me">some fucking ghost guardian appears in my dreams and goes "don't worry about this tadpole in your head, actually you should totally embrace its evil power, don't worry all the cool kids are doing it">a fucking devil woman, who fought in blood wars and is covered in hellish flames "so uh those paladins of Tyr that are hunting me are actually the bad guys, I am the good one, trust me"like what the fuck is all this nonsense
>>3210196Calm down.
>>3210196Its just a mess.>run into a monster hunter in the bog>I am hunting for a vampire named astarion for his terrible deeds>oh really I met him actually (and ill happily give his location as I left his backstabbing shady ass back there at the beach)>really? Would you tell me where?>1. I dont know 2. I wont tell 3. Here is directions to how to find my campWhat the actual fuck?
>>3210196>Does the game just expect me to be retardedYes.>or even worse what is retarded is the writing, and I am expected just to roll with the stupidity?Yes.>t. Finished the game and it’s bad
>>3210201The developers didn’t account for the possibility that you wouldn’t love their amazing self insert origin characters and want to recruit them immediately.
>>3210196To be fair though, there’s more going on with those paladins of Tyr than meets the eye. You don’t have to take Karlachs word for it (indeed, my devotion paladin beheaded her) but you should be able to find some interesting clues around the area. If all else fails, you can use speak with the dead to talk to the corpses of the ambushed civilians.
>>3210196The fact that you're wrong about most of the things you posted is actually hilarious. Because yes, the devil woman is the good one in that case. The 'paladins of Tyr' are devils in disguise who want to drag her back.The ghost in your head IS trying to protect you. You'll figure out what from eventually.As for Astarion, the game is very much aware that it's obvious he's a vampire. If you play as him and eventually reveal your nature to the others they literally go '...yeah, we know. We're not retarded.'Imagine complaining about a game's writing being too on the nose, and then that very same writing going over your head, lmao
>>3210201He never names Astarion as the vampire he's hunting.>>3210218The game lets you kill him on sight, as with all other characters except Gale because plot and because HE is the only one that truly feels like a massive mary sue writer's pet. Shadowheart gets a bit close too, but again, people praise older CRPGs with far worse writing and characters, so I don't particularly care.The only writing that really stuck out to me as terrible was Gale. The others all are pretty standard fare D&D stuff.
>>3210234He was right about everything except the paladins of Tyr. And you could use care to leave untagged spoilers out of your posts, for the sake of the anons still playing the game.
>>3210239I killed all the origin characters on sight (save Gale) and the plots involving them notably break down later on. I was unable to tell the hunter that I’d killed astarion myself. Laezels corpse teleports to the crèche map. Viconia asks me to bring Shadowheart to her. Astarions corpse teleports to Cazadors mansion. Etc
>>3210241How was he right?The 'ghost' isn't the tadpole in his head, like he's assuming, Karlach isn't evil, like he's assuming, and the game does not portray the fact that Astarion is a vampire as a secret. He's literally, objectively wrong about every single thing he said.The spoiler was very minor but I apologize. Guy was being annoying to the point where it sounds like he's trolling.
>>3210244That's fair criticism, I haven't tried killing them myself so I can't comment, I mostly just either don't recruit them or keep them around camp and ignore them if I don't care about them.I did kill Wyll in my first run though, and didn't notice anything breaking.
>>3208704>shadowheart seems like a manipulative edgelord so farRight on beach? How?
you guys are fucking geeks
>>3198667Not a coincidence, its the natural result of the industry being dominated by faggots.
>>3199152>that haven't read a book since they dropped out of highschool complaining about the writingNobody who reads actually good fantasy would ever think BG3 is anything but trash bro
>>3208461Even if it wasn't popular I still would hate it. My criticisms are entirely on the setting, writing, characters, etc, its all intolerable dogshit. The gameplay is okay.
>>3210247>How was he right?None of this make much sense.Trusting paladins instead of demon woman at the end of path littered by corpses is common sense.Not trusting dreamy apparition suggesting to embrace parasites (that usually just transform you into mind flayer) is common sense.Not allowing vampires to drink your blood just on their word is common sense.Like, with good writing, you could pull every single one of these, but I am afraid that is not the case in BG3.
>>3210234>The fact that you're wrong about most of the things you posted is actually hilarious.The fact that you think this is the important point is indicative of the extreme low level of sentience present in BG3 shills and fanboys. Your attitude is: "whatever the game shits out, it's the player's duty to eat it up." To you, there's no such thing as too contrived and ridiculous.
>>3210282>Like, with good writing, you could pull every single one of these, but I am afraid that is not the case in BG3.BG3 fans are literally incapable of comprehending this.
>>3210282>It's common senseYes, it is. And his original complaint was that the game's stories were all too obvious, and anyone with common sense could suss them out. Which is why I pointed out he was wrong about all of them.I legit don't get what you're trying to say. You were fooled because you employed common sense and that somehow means it's bad writing? You were complaining that the narrative was too basic, but now that you were told you were wrong, you're saying it's not basic enough? What are you even saying anymore? It's okay to just admit you were wrong, jesus fuck.
>this game is so obvious what the fuck is this writing>gets literally everything wrong, almost poetically so>i-it doesn't make senseI know contrarians are typically stupid as fuck, but at least criticize things that are actually fucked up, there's plenty of those in the game. This shit just screams that you retards are just playing it to hate it. You could just not play it if you're going to play it to hate it, you know.
>>3210286...what are you even fucking saying you spergis this the goalpost moving championships?>This DEVIL is obviously lying to get me to kill good people>No it's not, retard>WHY WOULD SHE LIE THIS IS TOO CONTRIVED AND RIDICULOUS SHE'S A DEVIL BUT NOT EVIL AAAAGH THAT'S SO STUPIDEverytime I think devs are fucking retarded for dumbing their games down, I read some posts here and I realize that clearly, they haven't dumbed them down enough.
>>3210298BG3 lacks grounding, coherence and internal consistency. The writers never bother trying to to earn the trust of the player. They never establish a baseline of normalcy or what standard expectations should be. This is because they are bad writers and have no fucking clue what they are doing, but it does not matter because their audience is retarded anyway and doesn't want good writing. They just want uncanny valley animated 3D models, shitty voice acting and multiple choice dialog options.
>>3210304> read some posts here and I realize that clearly, they haven't dumbed them down enough. The writers never bother trying to to earn the trust of the player. They never establish a baseline of normalcy or what standard expectations should be. The problem is the writers being stupid, not players having standards. The answer isn't to "dumb it down" the answer is to properly develop the story so that a player like >>3210196 doesn't get frustrated with all the arbitrary stupidity and contrivance.
>>3210298Original quote is>Does the game just expect me to be retarded and fall for obvious traps,Which I interpreted as "Does the game expects me to do {the retarded thing} that is clearly telegraphed as trap?" to which the answer is "Yes, because those are actually not traps".Another example could be the scene where Volo tries to helps you. Clearly retarded thing is letting him proceed, but it actually one that gives you best rewards.
>>3210305>They never establish a baseline of normalcy or what standard expectations should be.How is this in any way related to what you were talking about? What does earning the player's trust have to do with someone asking you to kill some paladins and make a decision? What exactly do you expect the game to do, give you some exposition on how devils can shape shift or that people, can, in fact, be more than they appear? You're just waffling, anon, you're literally saying nothing to cover up the fact that you played five minutes, saw some very obvious things and immediately went to shit on the game instead of playing those things out to see how the narrative actually goes.You and every idiot who played the game thought the 'ghost' was the parasite. What it is is actually a lot more complicated than that and the game shows you in due time. But you just want to shit on popular things so who cares. I'm still trying to figure out why you played the game at all if you've already decided to hate it.
>>3210301I still thought it was decent in act 1, by act 2 my opinion was souring, by the start of act 3 I could no longer suspend my disbelief or take the game seriously, and by halfway through act 3 I actively disliked the game and was finishing it solely out of stubbornness, and to see just how bad the ending is. It’s the sink cost fallacy. Once you’re like 60-70 hours into a bad game, you’re not refunding it, and you’d probably be better off stopping, but you’re still curious how bad it gets, and you can more accurately critique a thing once you’ve experienced all of it. There’s one data point for you.
>>3210312There are plenty of situations in the game where the trap is literally just a trap. And what you're interpreting is not what the poster was insinuating in the slightest.
>>3210250Killing Wyll, for me at least, broke the ability to save Duke Ravengard in act 3. Spoilers: what’s intended to happen is that after you go to the coronation, you have Wyll talk to duke ravengard, and then the duke leaves to be imprisoned in the iron throne, and you can rescue the prisoners there as long as you haven’t destroyed the steel watch foundry yet. I found that in my case, without Wyll, the duke never leaves the coronation room, and so once you free the iron throne prisoners and then destroy the steel watch foundry (you can’t do the iron throne after that), ravengard and all the guests at the coronation are killed instantly. It may be possible to attack gortash at the coronation ceremony but then I’d assume everyone at the iron throne dies too. That whole series of quests is buggy, unsure if intended or not, but it definitely feels like it breaks if you don’t do exactly what the devs want in the order they expect
>>3210313>How is this in any way related to what you were talking about? What does earning the player's trust have to do with someone asking you to kill some paladins and make a decision?Like I said, you have absolutely no clue what good writing looks like.>You and every idiot who played the game thought the 'ghost' was the parasite. What it is is actually a lot more complicated than that and the game shows you in due time.Any faggot writer can make something more complicated. Being complicated is not a virtue.
>>3210234> The ghost in your head IS trying to protect you.No, it’s not. The “dream visitor” was originally the tadpole manipulating you, but this was cut and reconned late in development into something immeasurably stupider. The emperor is not protecting you, it’s manipulating you and using you, and if you go against its wishes, the Emperor happily sides with the elder brain against you. It’s all absolutely a retarded asspull and makes no sense.
>>3210379>it was retconnedThat has zero relevance to what the narrative is now.>He's using youNot really. He tells you exactly what's going on, who he is, and why he's done what he's done and none of it is a lie. Of course if you don't side with him, he has literally no choice but to kill you, because otherwise he dies. What exactly doesn't make sense or is an asspull?
>>3210379>grasping for straws so badly he's using development lorenta but sheesh what a waste of keystrokes
All I have to say is that I enjoy, from time to time, trashy fun novels like Heysenhorn, The Black Company, The expanse, etc; but this is just trash, no redeeming qualities after you kill the general, pure trash from there to the end, complete dogshit. So bad that if somehow the next patch had a note claiming some of the companions' quests had their dialogues broken it will all make more sense.
>>3210411Are you retarded? I’m not saying “well you’re only right because they changed it at the last minute, you used to be wrong” I’m saying that the anon fundamentally doesn’t understand the plot or what’s happening or why. And it’s not a good or clever plot, either.
>>3210234The Ghost is not trying to protect you and both your character and the companions act surprised when Astarion is outed as a vampire.Why are you lying so blatantly in a thread full of people how has played the game. What the fuck is wrong with you.
>>3210406He lies about who he is, he lies about his relationship to the elder brain, he lies about the source of his power, he lies about why he’s doing everything. He’s manipulating you and using you so that he can seize control of the elder brain for himself. It’s almost certain that he would then kill you afterwards. When you catch him in each stage of his lies, he will confess “I had to lie to you bro but NOW I’m telling you the truth just trust me bro I’ve been completely honest with you about everything from the start, except all the stuff that you forced me to lie about, goyim”. If you’re anatagonistic to him and mistrustful in your dialogue choices he plays you a cutscene that shows him dominating and forcing other people to do his will, and he flat out tells you “you’d better do what I say of your own free will because otherwise I’ll just make you do it regardless”. He’s literally gaslighting you the entire game. He’s not protecting you or helping you, he’s using you as a means to him seizing power.
>>3210239>He never names Astarion as the vampire he's hunting.No he does. Its just you failed the dice roll to persuade him to tell. I dont blame you though, that barebones dice system isnt something to be proud of.
>>3210196The BG3 writers thought the idea of setting up obvious traps/lures/prompts to do obviously unwise things, and then make them actually NOT have any negative consequences>eating the tadpoles for power>siding with a mindflayer who obviously appears to be deceiving you>letting volo hammer an icepick directly into eye socket
>>3210431I haven't seen anyone who isn't restarded retarded try to defend bg3's writing
>>3210494Not only are there no negative consequences for the things you’re describing, you’re actively rewarded with positive consequences. Volos surgery gives you a sweet detect invisibility passive with no drawbacks. I was certain there would be plot drawbacks to being half-illithid but there’s none, you’re simply refusing beneficial abilities and powers. and at the end of the game there’s an incredibly hamfisted “you can’t possibly defeat the boss because he’s just soooo smart he can think of anything you can do before he does it, the only way to win is TURN INTO A MINDFLAYER YOURSELF! And if you refuse and/or you don’t have any companions to do it, you can, within three seconds of meeting him, convince the imprisoned githyanki prince to do it himself, becoming one of his races most hated ancient enemy. Absolutely fucking ridiculous and unnecessary
>>3198650thats straight bsI'm an old man and while most videogames don't hit like they used to that's because i'm more experienced and have higher standards. I can go back and replay some shitty games from my childhood, ill tolerate them because I'm used to it but it's really easy for me to recognize how bad and awful they were.bg is no masterpiece and ToB is actually just straight up bad but they are still better than most slop these days...especially games filled with fake meaningless complexity, stupid chores for adhd ridden zoomers and garbage propaganda for the sake of signaling to investorsIt doesn't help that games take far more work to make now because developers and investors don't want to make something simple. assets take forever to create so the only types of games are those made by 1 person or a giant team with absolutely no cohesion or direction.bg3 is actually the perfect example of that because it is a failure in every regard besides the combat, which is only good because it's aped from another game with a more coherent vision and identity
>>3210555>bg3 is actually the perfect example of that because it is a failure in every regard besides the combatDid you play it? It's map design is, uh, pretty dang good. Might want to play it, like immediately, and stop seething for no reason. I haven't had this much fun with exploring since Wizardry 7.
>>3210631Meant for >>3210615
>>3210631the shilling is getting desperate
>>3210637How am I a shill? Name a RPG made in the last 10 years that has better map design than BG3.
>>3210646>How am I a shill>>3210631>Might want to play it, like immediately, and stop seething for no reason.Gee I wonder.Why not actually show some maps and explain why they are so great instead of acting like a transparent shill shitposting against any criticism of bg3.
>>3210646>Pie 15
>>3210652>Why not actually show some maps and explain why they are so great instead of acting like a transparent shill shitposting against any criticism of bg3.Because every time I do this someone just makes 20 new threads bitching about the game. There are people that have spent HUNDREDS of hours on 4chan bitching about it and have never even played it. The maps are so densely packed and cool, you can just randomly punch a whole in a wall in the middle of nowhere and find it leads to like 2 hours of content and there's all sorts of neat traps and puzzles where your whole part feels useful. I don't know what to tell. Any extreme effort posting is just going to be rewarded with a schizo rotating into a fresh thread.
>>3210659>The maps are so densely packed and cool, you can just randomly punch a hole in a wall in the middle of nowhere and find it leads to like 2 hours of content and there's all sorts of neat traps and puzzles where your whole party feels useful. I don't know what to tell you.Grammar fix, sorry just woke up.
>>3210315>by act 2 my opinion was souringidk man, infiltrating moonrise tower was super fucking cool and when i finally got the torch to go out and do the stuff in the darkness i was sold. and whats more it was really unique instead of just retreading stuff from the first act.
>>3210659Can you admit the writing is totally braindead and that anyone interested in this map exploration will have to suffer through insultingly bad narratives to access it?And you don't need extreme effortposting just a description and example will do.And you're clearly a tourist at the very least if you think threads rotate at any kind of speed on this board.
>>3210665>Can you admit the writing is totally braindeadI don't know what you mean by this. Do you think Wizardry 7 has better writing than BG3? What do you think RPGs are about, exactly? I think the writing is perfectly servicable and I actually really enjoyed a lot of the characters and setpieces. Its a campy adventure like BG1 and 2.>And you're clearly a tourist at the very leastOh no.... How will I ever cope with not being a real /vrpg/'r...
>>3210665>And you're clearly a tourist at the very least if you think threads rotate at any kind of speed on this board.Dude, you are literally plebbit spacing. That's not how you format on 4chan.
>>3210671Still shilling hard yet not a single piece of evidence that you have actually played any of the games you have namedropped
>>3210675Yes it is. You don't know actual reddit spacing, newfag
>>3210676>Still shilling hard yet not a single piece of evidence that you have actually played any of the games you have namedroppedWhere are these screenshots from? I think you should play the game and stop mentally destroying yourself. This cannot be healthy.
>>3198497Baldurs Gate 3 is an objectively good game. It's not debatable in the slightest. It far surpasses the first 2(only BG2 was good, BG1 is boring shite propped up bu nostalgia and beamniggers modernization) and it's the best rpg release in the last 15 years.Anyone that deny this is a faggot obsessed with daily wire tier culture war garbage.EVERY SINGLE /v/ criticism can be boiled down to two points>waaaaaaaaah there's a nigger in this game!!!>waaaaaah there's a faggot in this game!!!That's it.
>>3209181>then larian would canonise viconia romanceBut the only Canon BG romance is with Aerie
>>3198650gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
>>3208704>>3208706holy shit fucking savage 10/10
>>3198650>Everyone agrees BG3 is great, even /v/. It's only on retirement homes like here that you see much criticism.Objectively correct. The seething (you)s are proof.
>>3208982https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButThouMust
>>3210687It's good. It's not a masterpiece. It's 8/10. It's not the best rpg of the last 15 years (this one goes to Disco Elysium).Regards, speaker of truths.
>>3210100Book of Hours is a goddamn masterpiece.
>>3210313Man, consoom some good media, will you? Like unironically read a book. Something that makes you put it down and think. Or have dreams about. Then go back to talking about writing in a video game.
>>3210698>this one goes to Disco ElysiumVNs aren't video games , atleast say underrail or wotr so you don't appear such a faggot.
>>3198497why did this thinly veiled tranny thread made boomers so mad??
>>3210710which posts are boomers
>>3210703>still mad>still made 0 arguments and just spouted some vague generic unrelated shit about pacing that had nothing to do with the writingYou'll eventually grow up and realize hating popular things doesn't make you interesting.
>>3210698>DE>RPGIt's barely a game, let alone an RPG.You people are so fucking stupid. How fucking far has this place fallen that even normies have better taste?
>>3210705Disco Elysium is not a visual novel. It's just the best rpg ever made. But I get what you're saying, too much reading, not enough action. I would suggest you to try games like Mario. Press buttons, jump up and down. Do gameplay. Play the game.
>>3210687Nah, there's legitimate complaints. The pacing of companion shit, especially romance, is all over the pace. Some of the characters (Gale) are cringeworthy. The game is buggy, and unfinished, and the horny shit feels mostly out of place.All that being said, anyone claiming BG1 or 2 are better are on pure nostalgia copium. Those games were so braindead, only an actual fucking idiot (or, more likely, someone who hasn't played them) would claim otherwise.
>>3210675complaining about 'reddit spacing' is the biggest newfag tell of all timepeople were 'reddit spacing' here before reddit even fucking existed you stupid cunt
>>3210719My favorite RPG is Katawa Shoujo.What's the matter? Too much reading for you, faggot?
>>3210722How many times are you going to reply to him, seething redditard?
>>3210433When Astarion tells you he’s a vampire the first dialogue choice is>yeah, I know
>>3210734You also get the exact same reaction if you play as Astarion and tell the other characters you're a vampire.But let that retard continue making up headcanons.
>>3210439 I definitely think he’s a massive dick, but you’re crazy if you think he’s just doing it to seize power. He explicitly tells the brain to kill itself in the ending, and if you betray him he’s not siding with the brain, Orpheus just doesn’t extend protection to him so he goes back to being mindless (shit writing in its own way)
>>3210723It's not an RPG, it's a visual novel. Disco is an RPG.
>>3210431Anon, forgive me for calling you retarded, I was too harsh. I take it back
>>3210671BG1 has barely any plot and dialogue is almost nonexistent outside of a gagsBG2 has more but still very little, it is almost all empty filler outside of a few sequences in the main quest and a few character questsToB is godawful but thankfully it is even more nonexistent than bg1BG3 however has a lot and it stains the entire rest of the game, it really is that badno story at all is better than that trash>>3210687bg1>bg2 bg3s writing is indefensible, they tried to do a lot of subversion of expectations like kotor2 or pst but it falls so flat by comparison, it is just absolutely fucking schizophrenic and incomprehensibleit also shits all over an established setting...
>>3210741I never sided with him so I didn’t see how his ending goes, maybe you’re right about that part. I still disagree about him not siding with the elder brain, he opens a portal and says something along the lines of “don’t talk to me or my son ever again” and goes off on his own to switch sides, it’s definitely him switching sides and not just merely losing Orpheus’s protection and returning under the brain’s influence. I had it happen while attacking him in the astral prism while Orpheus was still chained up and the emperor was in control.
>>3210767Frankly what pisses me off more is someone needing to be an illithid for no obvious reason
>>3210770Yes. That was absolutely retarded.>he's just uhhhh so smart that uhhhh he can think of everything you could possibly do and counteract it, you can never defeat him with uhhhhh your current brains>he is proof against all blades FOR HE IS MADE OF THOUGHT ITSELF
>>3210764>no story at all is better than that trashI think this is an important point that BG3 has been making me realize. Old school games had little if any plot and the characters weren't fleshed out much, if at all. You made your band of generics and you made up their characterization as you went and got attached to them in your imagination.When modern AAA games instead lean heavily on omg cinematic experience, epic plot, amazing and deep and cool characters for the basis of their existence, and instead the plot, the storytelling, and the characters are all not just merely bad, but actively awful, it sours the experience far more than just being a non-existent pretext, or a blank slate for you to project onto.
>>3210764BG3 does not have worse writing than BG2. I have no idea how you can think this and it just seems like the more you think about it the more you're walking it back. Genuinely sounds like mental illness due to being deadset on hating the game.
>>3210680>screenshotsYou could have backed it up at any time with words, which should be easier for an honest anon to provide. Only a fraud would rely exclusively on stolen screenshots to fool people into granting credibility. It's also clear from the low-quality post flood of bg3 praise that it's just a discotd shill raid.
>>3198497Straight up downgrade from WotR
>>3210936What a retarded post.
huh, this guy here >>3210196 seems like I have made a bit of a shitstir with my poor wording of the post, sorry for that. And later on believe it or not I was actually playing the game then went to bedI never meant >ha ha I am so smart I can see all those obvious traps by writing this:>Does the game just expect me to be retarded and fall for obvious traps, or even worse what is retarded is the writing, and I am expected just to roll with the stupiditythere are two parts there. As in either something is an obvious trap which is bad, or even worse it looks like an obvious trap but I am supposed to ignore that and carry on which is even worse. Because I know this is a 'main character' or one I've even made myself, which I know as a player but my in-game character doesn't. Anyways when playing I went to confront those "paladins" without Karliah to hear their side of the story, went>ok, so what if I do believe youand they went>haha we kill you anywaysno option to, say, lure her in, turn her over to them or whatever. Not great I'd say. Then I went to sleep and Wynn appeared with sword in hand and in about 10 lines total we all went from hostilities to >ha ha I do you one better how about we become allies insteadand then I talked to him, and he went>well that duke is actually my dad, I wouldn't trust that info to anyone but youbecause we know eachother so damn fucking well, a total of 3 minutes and less then a dozen exchanged sentences, brilliant. I dunno, I might not be the best versed with the writen word in English to properly describe what feels wrong about all that, but everything seems to be happening too fast, in 3 lines of text, and has to be something "epic" or "memorable" to each of those 3line expositions, and when foes turn friends or other twists happens in the span of few clicks of a mouse it just doesn't feel particularly good. Maybe full VA is to blame there for getting rid of all the 'fluff' lines of dialogue that you would otherwise have.
>>3210961thanks for reading my blog btw
>>3210959Why can't shills ever be constructive? Or are you just false-flagging?
>>3210974Why would you come here if you don't play rpgs at all?
>>3210978You're talking about bg3 shills? I'm wondering the same thing. What do they get out of acting like retards?
>>3210979No I'm talking about you. You don't play anything which is why you went into a niggertard rage when someone posted proof of playing the old games you pretend to play, when in reality you only play casual subhuman niggerslop if anything at all.
>>3210961Ah yes the faggot from my high school who wrote seven pages for an hundred word essay...how are you these days??
>>3210981The point of my objection wasn't to destroy his credibility (although it does that). The point was to provoke actual discussion of games on a board that is supposed to be for discussing games. He said BG3 maps are great. This is the first time I have heard that claim and I want to know more. He refused to share more at any level of useful detail, instead making excuses (that were transparent lies).He posted screenshots that were supposed to impress me. They didn't. And there's still no discussion of BG3 maps. You're a small-minded fool so you are easily impressed.
>>3211000The maps are obviously well above any standard, which you'd know if you played the game, and you obviously didn't, so why do you think your opinion is of any value? How many posts have you made in this thread for a game you never played?
>>3210716Your game is shit for reasons that people have pointed out repeatedly. You are a filthy pajeet who is stinky, eats stinky food, and worships cows and brahmin. You get no pussy from your smelly women so you simp for ugly white women and post inane comments.
>>3211006>The maps are obviously well above any standardProve it. Explain why they are good. You have an opportunity. I'm giving it to you for free. You're passing it up in favor of mindless, kneejerk shitposting.
>>3211010I'm asking (You) what's better and you can't answer that because you can't answer that because you haven't played the game and do not have the knowledge to actually participate in the discussion. The maps are designed in such a way as to be loaded with secrets and optional content around every corner, which can be traversed and studied using each of your characters unique skills and in multiple ways with tons of branching paths and verticality, and every encounter has unique approaches. There is absolutely unreal amounts of optional content, like you can completely miss the underdark and it's easily 10+ hours long with multiple bosses that leads into ANOTHER completely missable zone, and it's all incredibly fleshed out, like stuff that 90% of people will never see has more work put into it than any map in your favorite game. But this doesn't mean anything because you haven't played the game and don't know.
>>3211018The point is that BG3 looks like objective shit on the face of it, it's your job to persuade me to play if that's what you want. Right now, the writing is filtering anyone with an IQ above room temperature so if you want people to ignore the braindead writing to get to the good stuff you'll have to suck it up and argue like a man.But of course you won't do that. You grew up on /v/ and think the only possible way to communicate is by shitposting like a faggot.>The maps are designed in such a way as to be loaded with secrets and optional content around every corner, which can be traversed and studied using each of your characters unique skills and in multiple ways with tons of branching paths and verticality, and every encounter has unique approaches.This all sounds great, verticality was a serious limitation of the (25 year old) Infinity Engine. It is one thing that the DivOS series is known for so it's not too surprising that BG3 is at least decent in this area. Although I in my experience "volume of secrets" tends to be a vastly overrated trait. One good secret is worth dozens of trivial ones and a lot depends on execution whether finding the secret is rewarding or just lame and tedious. Skillcheck RPGs often to do poorly in this category since random dice rolls and fakeout dialog options tend to suck the fun out of discovery.>There is absolutely unreal amounts of optional content"Unreal" is quite a superlative. 10 hours is not that much content in CRPG terms, and when a game is as graphics and cutscene-heavy as BG3 I'm always wary that such "content" will be bloated and tiresome.
>>3211025>cutscene-heavyBG3 is not cutscene heavy, I have no idea why you think this.
>>3211025>One good secret is worth dozens of trivial ones and a lot depends on execution whether finding the secret is rewarding or just lame and tedious. Skillcheck RPGs often to do poorly in this category since random dice rolls and fakeout dialog options tend to suck the fun out of discovery.Huh? Most secrets are like summon a floating hand to pull a lever to manipulate a lever on a hidden platform, or cast misty step to get to this weird place, or find this hidden door behind crates, etc.
>>3211025This is why you shouldn't be allowed to discuss games you haven't played, who can even guess how many posts you've made complaining about the game and you don't know the first thing about it.
>>3211029Because I check youtube gameplay videos before I waste time and money on a game and when I watch BG3 videos I see lots of shitty cutscenes with lame multiple-choice dialogs.
>>3211048So your opinions and decisions are based on youtubers and you're larping as a boomer when in reality your personality is sculpted by a youtube algorithm, got it.
>>3211049My opinions are based on gameplay footage yes. And on player commentary in general and for BG3, posters like you and every other apparent bg3 fan just reinforces the impression that this game is made for retarded people and I shouldn't waste my time with it.>b-but how many posts have you madeExactly my point.
>>3211051>never playedopinion discarded>not going to waste 60$piracy exists faggot
>>3210687There is a hell of a lot of faggotry, there are very few niggers though unless you count tiefs, which is sort of plausible.There's also bestiality.That said it's also more like the dumb beer drinking tabletop shit players actually got up to instead of the lgbt straight white man hating campaign such as you see in POE2 where the white characters are constantly condescended to due to retarded leftist political initiatives. I'm not even letting BG3 off the hook there since it has vulvas on men, penises on women, and yes pronouns.However It also has pretty amazingly interactive gameplay where RTWP whether it was POE2 or my preference PKM & Wrath had just build and buff all the tactics out of the game old school style. The wokeshit baggage is carried in this game, where in other titles it is not because they also suck as games while prioritizing wokeshit content. This game prioritized gameplay and immersion. That's it.You will recognize me as an official Larian shill by my use of their officially licensed branding terminology such as niggers faggots and wokeshit. I tried to get the spacing right also.
>>3211052My time is more valuable than money.And no I have not spent 40 hours posting ITT
>>3211018I agree with this poster, you don't even have to approach the first town the same way once you realize the alternates. It's kind of the first dungeon if you want to be evil for example. That's a landmark change for this genre of low effort copy paste fantasy. You can handwave the density away via shitposting but you can't really name a game more content dense. The only thing that comes to mind is Ultima Black Gate but it didn't have multiple branching paths like this does.I suspect a lot of shitposters if they even played it just took the path of least resistance on not tactician esp. when people are claiming very few hours in the first act.There is some really cool shit you can see if you are the slightest bit creative in your approaches.
>>3211048>dialogues are cutscenesBait
>>3211059>And no I have not spent 40 hours posting ITTBig doubt.
>>3211058>there are very few niggers though unless you count tiefs, which is sort of plausible.What are you talking about? How far into the game have you gotten? Not only are at least 50% of humans now from Chult, there’s now nigger elves, nigger dwarves, and nigger gnomes (note that drow, duergar, and deep gnomes are all racially homogeneous despite now being fully integrated into the surface and free to go wherever they want. You’ll never seen a drow with pale skin and European features and hair)It’s basically Netflix’s “The Sword Coast”
>>3210881BG2s writing was only ok but it was serviceable, beyond a few memorable standout lines, but most importantly it didn’t get in the way of the game.BG3’s writing is so bad that it constantly hits you in the face with it, destroying your immersion or ability to take the game seriously.BG3s is far worse. It’s actually bad, rather than just neutral or not-great.
>>3211029The developers were bragging about it having 174 hours of dialogue + cutscenes.They also bragged about it having 17,000 permutations of the ending options but they cut all that late in development and now there’s only 2 or 3.
>>3211066When they're fully voiced and animated and take 5+ minutes to play out, yes they are cutscenes.
>>3211018I’ll grant you that the maps are designed intricately with lots to discover, and theirs is a lot of verticality.However, past about halfway through act 1, the verticality becomes a boring choremostly due to fighting the awful camera, and the compressed 2d map. It honestly needed a 90s style map where you could toggle up and down per level.And by act 3, the rest of the game is so bad that you don’t give a shit about exploring and finding secrets anymore. It’s never anything interesting or useful, it’s three gold and a chicken drumstick and some randomly generated clutter loot and a little note about characters you don’t care about. The loot was almost never interesting and just became a chore. The final 20% of the game I simply stopped picking anything up. Honestly, at that point I’d prefer a crude early 90s game where rooms were empty with a single chest containing gold and nothing else.The other anon who said that the constant dice roll spamming makes the exploration tedious and annoying. Larian really shot themselves in the foot by making passive rolls not take 10, and by making 1 and 20 auto fail and success on checks.
>>3211066>objectively correct statement>bait
>>3211074Lumping underdark races in with niggers is just you finding things to get mad about, since they existed well before the modern wokeshit era.If they're everywhere on the surface that is some more woke baggage as a political metaphor since they should be rare yes. I'm still taking my time with act 1. I've seen Minathra briefly in a cut scene who is in the gob fortress and presumably part of the drow raiders that burned the inn, which is very canon for drow, and the deep gnome who calls you a racist for assuming he should be in the underdark so yep politics.However I still maintain the gameplay is good enough to carry it. Now let me hear you be consistent about POE2 and their amount of actual niggers, bestiality and faggots just to make sure your biases aren't keeping you from being objective, because it has objectively worse gameplay by a lot.
>>3211112You misunderstand my point. It also sounds like you’re still at the beginning of the game. I’m not saying Underdark races are niggers, I’m saying they turned the surface races into niggers. Humans, elves, dwarves, gnomes. All niggerified. I’ve seen Asian elves and shit too. Maybe when you get beyond the beginning of the game you’ll understand.And I’m contrasting that with how the Underdark races did not get the Netflix treatment, of course. Racial “diversity” is a one-way street. We all know what they’re doing, why, and who is doing it.POE2 was meh for the record.
As a form of entertainment, one’s taste in games is a very subjective matter. Saying things like “game X has objectively better gameplay than game Y” or “game J has objectively better writing than game K” is an exercise in futility, if not flat out wrong. Just say “I liked this more than this because” or “I didn’t like this because” it’s far more accurate and honest
>>3211129>And I’m contrasting that with how the Underdark races did not get the Netflix treatment, of course. Racial “diversity” is a one-way street. We all know what they’re doing, why, and who is doing it.No, I get that, even noticing things like the default human is a nigger when selected. There are nigger facial structures applicable to all races to satisfy the Holy Inclusion Mandate.I don't care that much anymore. If a nigger wants to play an elf and have it look like him fine. What I do care about is all of the setting being trashed to satisfy these political mandates, as you say the Netflix treatment.However that said my choices in the modern era are:Only play pre-2005 titles or so.Put up with it and criticize what is detrimental to the genre so the bozos actually learn and are not able to dismiss what is said as blah blah racism.Their technique is also backfiring because if I am going to get called a racist every time I log into a game and am condescended to about it I am just going to practice being a more effective racist to spite their heavy handed preaching from their religion.
>>3211151I don't watch TV shows made after the early 2010s at the latest and I'm starting to think I should do that with video games.
>>3211164Yeah that was my old policy, then:>watched everything>played most stuff>stop wasting time on vidya got in shape>why not get career back on track>oh financial shape too, sure why notOk back to square one, they're still shitting things up though, women are still whores due to the same politics etc so that's not worth it either. I already had threeways and shit so back to vidya because I don't really want to risk everything else I achieved.
>>3211088>The developers were bragging about it having 174 hours of dialogue + cutscenesYou know how when you talk to some literally who in bg2 and they say something stupid? That's all animated and voice acted in bg3 because it had a budget of a gorillion dollars, which they actually spent on the game instead of advertising.
>>3211093>mostly due to fighting the awful cameraJust use the scroll wheel.>It’s never anything interesting or usefulThere's unique items everywhere.
>>3211093d20 and critical nonsense (failure IMO, success is ok) weakness is a salient point well covered in the nodice thread right now. 3D6 gives a much less ridiculous spread if they're not willing to put in the work of an actual nodice system.
>>3211151They could even do 3d20 and set a different default spread if they want to keep the polyhedrons for nostalgia reasons. This would require more testosterone than WOTC probably has on staff though.
>>3211093>The other anon who said that the constant dice roll spamming makes the exploration tedious and annoying. Larian really shot themselves in the foot by making passive rolls not take 10, and by making 1 and 20 auto fail and success on checks.It has an inspiration system instead which let's you reroll FOUR times and as an added bonus rewards you for actively roleplaying. It's not a plain 1d20 roll and to say otherwise is extremely misleading.
>>3211164I don't watch television at all because it's all trash and has always been trash, and if you weren't a massive poser you would have played all those old games worth playing already. Instead you have retarded xbox kids dumpster for le hidden gems in an attempt to relive an era they weren't part of and don't understand.
>>3211182The inspiration system is a great idea, even cuts down on save scumming, but the basic d20 odds system is an anachronism even in 1986.It's just plainly bad when your super int stat wizard fails the roll and 8 int barbarian succeeds the academy of magic lecture. It's too binary, and too stupid of an RNG spread.
>>3211165Yes I'm also a millionaire in my late 20's fucking models and posting on /vrpg/
>>3211189>It's just plainly bad when your super int stat wizard fails the roll and 8 int barbarian succeeds the academy of magic lecture.Rolling a 1 is basically folding under pressure and saying nigger by accident.
>>3211189>>3211201This is an issue of DMs forcing roles where there ought not be any, which is why 3.5e has take 10 and take 20. In the context of a CRPG with no DM, it can definitely be clunky
>>3210659>The maps are so densely packed and cool, you can just randomly punch a whole in a wall in the middle of nowhere and find it leads to like 2 hoursNotice that you didn't even post such an example
>>3211216Yeah, critical failures for skill checks is bad. It is just asking for savescumming, because it is bullshit.
>>3211236>Notice that you didn't even post such an exampleHe did though. Can we just take a moment to appreciate how stupid and strange this form of attack is? It's just trying to drag perception of the game down through sheer bulk of negative remarks regardless of their content. It's literal astroturfing.
>>3211236You already admitting your in here dumping text walls on a game you only watched youtube clips of. Just stop, this is really mentally ill.
>>3211197I didn't say all that, I said what I said.It's hard to talk to you low self esteem bitches that do nothing but hyperbolize every statement here all out of proportion. How about stop exaggerating and whining. One (1) of them was a model though, yes.
>>3211293>>3211236Notice that the retard literally didn't post any such example and just copy pasted images he sees in RPGCodex without elaborating much on what makes BG3 """""level design"""" special especially when the last level is literally just a more braindead(pun intended) empty circle room that has 100x more braindead encounter design than BG1 and BG2 since you just need haste + attack the final boss to death?
>>3210720>Those games were so braindeadBG3 is literally 1000x more braindead since not only normies are breezing the game easily but the encounter and combat managed to be literally without any doubt more braindead compared to BG1 & 2.THere's a reason why retards here aren't even discussing the gameplay or the combat despite having the so called imsim element that enhances the physics and reactiveness of the world.
>>3211284>He did though.Where?
>>3198497Is one cute face enough to make a game good? Can't you just...watch porn?
>>3211323>BG3 is literally 1000x more braindeadSee, but here's the thing:It's not. It's about on the same base level difficulty as bg2 but due to gimmick encounters is elevated slightly above it. However, both games are extremely easy. BG3 just does a better job at communicating its mechanics. I'm not playing BG for grognard battle chess, I'm playing it for the interactivity and adventure. If I want that I have far better options.
>>3211330>I'm not playing BG for grognard battle chess, I'm playing it for the interactivity and adventure.If I want a game with "interactivity and adventure" but bland filler combat, I'm going to want good world-building, lorecraft and/or storytelling.
>>3211345But the combat isn't bland. The encounters are comparatively interesting when put next to fighting a blob of five bandits in bg2. Like fighting in an evil forest where you have to stay within the vicinity of an enchanted latern or get eaten alive by shadows. And in every encounter on a basic level it's more interesting because enemies will be at different elevations and behind cover, and attack you in different ways. It conveys the excitement of a fantastical battle. Like if I'm gunna fight a lich in bg2 I just have nahlia shape change into a mustard jelly, park her in front of him, wait two full set spell rotations, then have my party run in and wail on him. Thats the average bg2 boss fight. That's not interesting.
>>3211347>But the combat isn't bland.then don't argue past the point. If you're more into "adventure," RTwP has a major advantage anyway in that it seamlessly integrates with exploration. >The encounters are comparatively interesting when put next to fighting a blob of five bandits in bg2.Also, it's kind of embarrassing to compare gameplay against BG2 in the first place given that BG2 is a 23 year old game running on essentially a 25-year-old 2D game engine. I would fucking hope that the combat is better after a quarter-century of technological progress. That this is even up for debate should raise eyebrows. And even then you have to misrepresent and downplay bg2 by pretending like a Lich is an average BG2 boss fight and bring up the few bandit fights that are clearly not meant to be a serious threat. Meanwhile in BG1 a bandit ambush is a serious encounter that will wreck someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Good sample encounters from BG2 would be Togan and the Halflings in the Planar Sphere or the undead ambush in the lower tombs.
>>3211366>Also, it's kind of embarrassing to compare gameplay against BG2 in the first place given that BG2 is a 23 year old game running on essentially a 25-year-old 2D game engineGames do not age. Being old does not make a bad thing about a game passable. In fact, the older a game gets the more it should be criticized so we can build upon and improve it in the next iteration. If this aspect of the game is bad now then it was always bad. There are plenty of old games which are still great today in spite of their flaws.>Meanwhile in BG1 a bandit ambush is a serious encounterNo it's not. You just cast sleep and they all die. That's a level 1 spell you can get immediately.
>>3198650If that was true I wouldn't still enjoy old games.
>>3198497How about your tranny game sucks niggerfaggot.
>>3211381>You just cast sleep and they all die. That's a level 1 spell you can get immediately.Um that's just different, okay?
>>3211381>No it's not. You just cast sleep and they all die.You can't because they're surrounding and most of the bandits won't be in spell range. You would know if you had actually played the game and had a basis for comparison. For all the whining about how people haven't played a brand-new BG3, you sure talk a lot of shit about games you haven't played.
>>3198716This
>>3211419>You can't because they're surrounding and most of the bandits won't be in spell range.Yes they will lol, what kind of stupid cope is this?
>>3211451>caught bullshitting, let's just double-down on the lieJesus Christ you bg3 shills are so tedious.
>>3211151>default human is a nigger when selectedHow many ESG points did they earn for this?How many ESG points did they lose for making the default human a female nigger... who's a barbarian with 8 INT?The shill cope when the game came out was "Um akshually the default is just randomly selected each time"
>>3211457Anon, you literally can. Sleep and Blind completely trivialize all low level encounters in bg1. You load your wizard up with utility spells and give him an offensive wand. That's how you play bg1. Are you retarded?
>>3211329Askhually no, because you want attractive people in games to continue the escapism from the ugly world, it's not about getting off to pixels. This is why wokeshit tends to be a double or triple whammy that removes all the fun of a fantasy adventure. People don't want to go adventure in their local Walmart amidst drab colors and commie and meth enthusiasts.>but what about DEI said people.
>>3211502When you are ambushed by bandits they surround your camp with archers. All your units are trapped in the middle. Learn basic geometry dipshit.
>>3211502you need web too, the only enemies that can threaten you are immune to sleephe is right about the bandit ambush though, you will auto game over to that below level 3 or so. even then your mage will probably die as the bandits spawn perfectly spaced around your party in a circle at maximum bow range, you won't be able to even sleep half of them at once and may even die before you can finish the spell as bows get 2 APRhonestly some of the random encounters in bg1 are just impossible at low levels, especially the double wyvern one at cloakwood... once you get to level 3 and get web or wand of paralyze or especially haste/slow it is smooth sailing though
>>3211550>he is right about the bandit ambush though, you will auto game over to that below level 3 or so. even then your mage will probably die as the bandits spawn perfectly spaced around your party in a circle at maximum bow range, you won't be able to even sleep half of them at once and may even die before you can finish the spell as bows get 2 APRNah, a cool tip for you:The vendor that sells spell scrolls also sells potions of invisibility. Generally a good idea to grab one.
>>3211566It's a bit strange people don't know this with all the supposed SCS wankery here. It's sort of essential for challenge runs.
>>3211566Why are you choosing to die this of all hills?Even if you've found that merchant before you encounter an ambush (no guarantee) and can afford to buy the very limited stock of potions, if you're spending potions of invisibility you're doing cost/benefit analyses meaning the battles aren't trivial as was implied meaning you still lose the argument. Just fucking give it up what the hell is wrong with you?
>>3211616>explain how to play game>just give up already asshole >:(lol are you for real with this
>>3211622lmao ur retardedOk buy a potion, with what gold? We are talking about the very early game here nigger. Secondly you were just fucking WRONG, you can't even sleep half the bandits in that ambush lmaoeven if you use the potion to run away like a bitch on your mc, what about the rest of your party?just because you savescum doesn't make the encounter not threatening, even a fighter with 18 con can start the game with 6 hp and die to one arrowbtw u can get ambushed by bandits before even getting to the inn, :^)
I think it’s telling that even the sociopaths on kiwi farms are having more fun with bg3 then the contrarions here
>>3211347>But the combat isn't blandit is>comparatively interesting when put next to fighting a blob of five bandits in bg2.The reasons BG2 combat is fun and satisfying has more to do with 2e combat being more deadly (fun), RtWP to dampen the boredom inherent to TB DnD combat, itemization, sound effects, etc. BG3 is like the sober, less fun, nerdy version of BG2. BG2 feels like a drunken street fight of people getting chunked, disintegrated, beheaded and petrified left and right, whereas BG3 feels like a boring kids play fight with pads on and mommy supervising. >encounter on a basic level it's more interesting because enemies will be at different elevations and behind coverit doesn't matter because enemies are pushovers making elevation irrelevant. there's no stakes. There's no danger. It's slow. Tedious.
>>3211689It's because they're all trannies, furries, pedos, etc.
>>3211679>Ok buy a potion, with what gold?Its only 250 gold. There's a diamond in a tree by where you meet Xzar. (that's worth 1000 gold) Also, out of curiousity I booted the game up and tested how much gold you could get from the 2 bashable chests in the candle keep inn (its not possible to bash the one with the gem in it) which brought me to 252 gold when added to my starting gold within 5 seconds of booting the game.>btw u can get ambushed by bandits before even getting to the innI think the meme bandit mega death encounter can only occur between crossroads and friendly arms, you can actually just walk around it.
>>3211697>has more to do with 2e combat being more deadlyits not though, youre just dumb
>>3211725It is and and its not even debatable. You're mind broken by spite and making silly objections at this point. What you just said is a clown statement.
>>3211732You're in here throwing a tantrum and getting proven wrong repeatedly. You barely know anything about BG1/2 and you've never even played BG3.
>>3211734I am not that guy.
>>3211742Then make an argument that isn't retarded. This is getting boring.
>>3211614>It's a bit strange people don't know this with all the supposed SCS wankery hereboomers here don't play vidya just praise old thing and hate new thing like mindless sheep.
>>3211722You are grasping at straws here, expecting a player who doesn't even know the ambush exists or where the mage vendor is to stumble apon him and spend 100% of his gold on a an invisibility potion is ridiculous. Even I who has played this game like a dozen times would take at least 10 minutes trying to find that diamond, its literally one or two pixels and if you don't know it's already there you will NEVER find it(unless you are playing EE like a faggot which is ezmode anyway)just give up, even the invis potion would just make your sleep come one round later, imoen or xzar or montaron or whoever could already die by the time you even get your sleep off. As i pointed out before, you were wrong about sleep completely trivializing every early encounter because they are too spread out to all be in range of the spellthere are also quite a few early enemies that you can't sleep or with good enough saves that it's not very reliable.i don't think anyone is saying that bg1 or 2 is very hard, but they both have plenty of pitfalls for new players that are nearly impossible to avoid. once you know they are there it is pretty trivial.
>>3211763>expecting a player who doesn't even know the ambush exists or where the mage vendor is to stumble apon him and spend 100% of his gold on a an invisibility potion is ridiculousThe big fat manual that comes with the game (spefically Volo's Guide) tells you the magic shop is in Beregost. The way Beregost is designed is that arcane magic is to the east (High Hedge) and divine magic to the west. (Temple) The guide also includes a world map showing the location of Beregost, which is on the way to Friendly Arms, so naturally a magic user would go there. Going in this "u" shape would also avoid the screen transition which has a CHANCE of triggering the bandit encounter. But lets say the player doesn't read the manual. There is only one of two outcomes here. Such a player would be:a) blindsided and dieorb) survive due to high dexterity, as the bandits aren't particularly threateningNo tactical thought applicable. Speaking of dexterity, should the player wonder towards high hedge rather than immediately to Friendly Arms, they'll be able to pick up Kivan, an archer that will completely rip through act 1 regardless of what spells you pick up. I'm not sure what your argument is here, as the challenge is either trivial or badly designed, there's really no third answer where it proves that the game is "complex" compared to BG3.>there are also quite a few early enemies that you can't sleep or with good enough saves that it's not very reliable.Yeah, that's what blind is for.
The jews murdered JFK, bombed the USS Liberty, and bombed the Twin Towers. The pandemic was their shot at trying to own you with injections, but surely you're smarter than a fucking kike?
>>3211763The point of the invis potion is so the MC doesnt get 1 shot, you mong.
>>3210555It's funny how shit the bg3 protag and his crew is. Gorion's ward would easily end the whole mindflayer bull shit when you consider all they were capable of.
>>3211813Dark Urge is literally gorions ward on steroids.
>>3211815>level 12would die to one of Irenicu's casually casted death spells like an npc in a cutscene.
>>3211825Well yeah, wait for baldurs gate 4
>>3211795hello there redneck kun hope you are having fun with your sisterwife
>>3198497why is it offensive to you that people might not like the game? it's all a matter of taste
>>3211887Stupidity offends me personally. I can understand people not liking aspects of BG3 but disliking the game as a whole is just stupid, gay and cringe.
>>3211745Its not an argument. BGs 2e death mechanics and spell effects are deadlier. It's a statement. Idk why you ate acting smug over being objectively wrong on this
>>3211890>no oxford commaPlebeian midwit.
>>3211890>Stupidity offends me personallyWhat a sad existence
>>3211887>why is it offensive to you that people might not like the gamesame reason you fucks attack everyone who say bg 1 aged like shit.
>>3212073>post lazy bait>say stupid obviously wrong shit>why are you attacking me???
>>3212083>everything that I disagree with is baitThere's that mental illness on display.
>>3212085Even now you can't resist kneejerk fighting like an idiot.Try not being a soulless faggot for once in your life and maybe you'll get a different reaction. People argued about BG1 for years before you brain-fried bg3 zoomers showed up.
>>3212088>le zoomers>old good new bad>ahhhh world and society is getting destroyed by zoomersyou are a typical midwit grandpa aren't you
>>3212104Your banter sucks go back to/v/
>>3212108aww....did I ruin your circlejerk gramps??
>>3212110Why are you like this?
>>3198650Facts homie. Baldurs Gate has ALWAYS been a theatre kid game. The first two games were full of so much theatre kid shit it’s not even funny. The first game was a complete mess and people just look at it with nostalgia goggles. BG3 is theatre kid shit with better graphics.Icewind Dale on the other hand, now that’s a man’s game. Modern devs don’t have enough nuts to replace it.
>>3211887>>3212083How can anyone be this retarded?
>>3212133>The first game was a complete mess and people just look at it with nostalgia goggles.People miss the style of the first game because it really captures the feel of free-roam adventuring in a dangerous wilderness where it feels like you can go anywhere and find anything. Few if any subsequent party-based crpgs achieve this. There were some drawbacks to this design as well as some unfortunate constraints imposed by the infinity engine (perpetually slow walking speed, weird aggro rules based on the fog of war, etc). Low level AD&D tends to be love-it-or-hate-it.BG2 attempted to correct some of this with a different approach to content design, and had the advantage of starting off at mid-levels (7/8) with a well-established backstory for the protagonist on which to build a new story. The result was more polished and broadly enjoyed but in the process they almost entirely eliminated the free roam wilderness adventure. BG2 begat nu-Bioware when Obsidian kickstarted the "crpg renaissance" with Pillars of Eternity they clearly favored BG2 designs over BG1.So essentially, so far as I can tell, no crpg ever tried to fix the problems with BG1 while preserving the free roam, open-ended early game adventure with a huge roster of potential companions.>Icewind Dale on the other hand, now that’s a man’s game. Modern devs don’t have enough nuts to replace it.Icewind Dale is a great example of a game with a humble, level 1 beginning but is paced for you to advance much more quickly than the Baldur's Gate "Low Level Adventure." It refutes the idea that the only way you can start low is by making the entire game as stingy as BG1. IWD also learned from some of the questionable dungeon designs in BG1. But IWD is very linear and doesn't have the free-roam feel of BG1 either.
>>3212156This is 100% true. Free roaming low level D&D is what I thought I wanted to be playing when I was 20 because it sounds hardcore, but now that I’ve actually played a ton of D&D including a few 2nd ed campaigns I prefer well designed encounters and dungeons that give the party a chance to try unorthodox tactics without requiring a complete meta game mindset just to stay alive, and that’s what IWD is. It’s a challenging dungeon crawler that doesn’t completely crucify you if you don’t have low level D&D rules memorized.BG1 is like having the biggest asshole of a DM. There’s ONE right way of doing things, and there are others if you are an old school power gamer and have the players handbook and the monster manual completely memorized, and know how to break the infinity engine.That does appeal to a small subset of gamers and there should be a modern equivalent of that for those people, but I wouldn’t play it.
>>3212177>Free roaming low level D&D is what I thought I wanted to be playing when I was 20 because it sounds hardcoreIt's not a matter of being hardcore or not for this comparison. It's just a matter of taste. The IWD and BG1 designs are mutually exclusive. You can't have a focused, linear-narrative presentation of content and free-roam exploration at the same time. And for the purposes of comparison, branched-narratives are closer to linear-narratives than free-roam explore.>>3212177>BG1 is like having the biggest asshole of a DM...None of that is essentially linked to the free-roam adventure aspect. The whole point of my post was to say that BG1 wasn't perfect in this respect, but it's the best you're likely to find in the crpg space, if free-roam is what you like. Or at least, the most recent. You can find more examples going back to earlier games like Might and Magic and Ultima.>That does appeal to a small subset of gamers and there should be a modern equivalent of that for those people, but I wouldn’t play it.BG1's history falsifies this as it was exceptionally popular and is the whole reason this thread exists. Either way, the point is that it should be possible to have a modern, party-based CRPG that achieves the same degree of "free-roam wilderness adventure" that Baldur's Gate delivers. Furthermore, free-roam adventuring was kept alive and well after the 90s by MMOs and Elder Scrolls and both were extremely popular. But those are not party-based CRPGs.
>>3212177>BG1 is like having the biggest asshole of a DM. There’s ONE right way of doing things, and there are others if you are an old school power gamer and have the players handbook and the monster manual completely memorized, and know how to break the infinity engine.It’s not like this unless you install mods to make it like this. Lots of us played it when we were kids or teenagers and learned it fine. If you have a decently flexible mixed party you can do whatever you want and it’ll probably work, with very few exceptions
>>3211794This has got to be THE MOST retarded post to have ever existed in /vrpg/ holy shit. From>hurr durr you can le just cast le sleep easilyto>umm players can find le gold easilyto>umm le web spell is a mustto>umm le manual le east le west le my bear sex butthole so easyYour post is the epitome of BG3 shills retardation. Notice that your unnecessary complex step in order defeat a LOW LEVEL bandit in BG1 already is more complex, thought provoking, more tactical and literally require more reflex than ANYTHING in BG3. There's a reason why you retards literally can't name a single BG3 fight that is hard or thought provoking. Your retarded ass need to shift the topic literally 5 time in order to make BG1 sounds easy while you literally can't do the same in BG3.
What is even this mythical bandit ambush encounter? I’ve played the game a million times and can’t think of it
>>3212133>ALWAYS been a theatre kid gamedelusion. BG is combat and exploration first, story second. Conversations are text only and can be sped read/skipped through to get right back to combat. >BG3 is theatre shit with good graphicsHalf of BG3 is cutscene dialogue. You can't speed through it like BG 1. BG3 is dialogue/cutscenes first, combat as this little minigame you do in between cutscenes. An odd choice for a game with dogshit writing.
>>3209675>it has nothing to do with life experienceIt absolutely does.You used to have to go out of your way to become a video game developer back in the day and came from other jobs and had varied interests.Now the majority of people working in media come from universities and are absolutely unable to think outside the box of what they learned there, remaining forever creatively stunted and failing to recapture the passion of old games they loved because that's all they know.Games suck ass now because instead of being made by someone that has something to say, they are now just dishonest rehashes of things that worked before.
>>3212214>combat as this little minigame you do in between cutscenes.bg3 has one of the best combat systems of CRPGs with some really good encounter design and focus on exploration which rewards you immensely....why do you boomers have such an hate boner for this game???
>>3212227GenX boomer here, BG3 is a pretty awesome evolution of the genre, don't lump me in with those sads.I do hate the wokeshit tendencies which I guarantee is 90 percent of the reason it catches hate, every title would just be better without them which isn't debatable. Here they're not enough to overwhelm the quality of the game though unlike the usual song and dance.
>>3212207BG3 has genuinely nonlinear encounters where you'll get roasted pretty hard on tactician, there's just multiple approaches, like sneaking around the gnolls and killing them from the cliff, or pre-emptively popping the spiders eggs and breaking its webs for fall damage. If these features didn't exist these fights would be MORE deadly but LESS complex.
>>3212227>good combat system5e is trash>good encounter designToo reliant on gimmicks and waves of trash mobs>rewards you immenselyIt’s cool in act 1 but quickly grows tedious. There’s never anything good it’s just random clutter you have to sell for 1gp. The good loot is either from stores (for way too cheap which makes gold feel worthless) or from bosses. The last half of act 3 i flat out stopped picking anything up because it was a chore and I’d already found everything good for my build.>why do you hate itEverything about it sucks except the music and the graphics, I’ll praise it for both. The story is awful the writing is awful the characters are awful the world building is awful. It shits all over established characters, lore, and setting. The gameplay is fun at first but grows tedious. The verticality is a chore coupled with the awful camera. The game is buggy and unfinished, they cut a tremendous amount of act 3 and clearly radically redesigned the plot late in development and it shows. It’s a bad game.Verdict: wait a year for definitive edition, buy half off
>>3212239>Too reliant on gimmicks and waves of trash mobsMost encounters are like 4 turns max, less if your party is good. Every encounter can be beaten in 1 turn.
>>3212240I solo’d the game as a paladin. I had intended to immediately replay it on tactician with a custom party, but the game sucks too bad so I’m not.
>>3212242Tactician is basically normal difficulty, you played through the game on journalist mode. I honestly wish the game had harder difficulties, but you really need to pick tactician or not bother.
>>3212227>best combat systems of CRPGsBG3 combat is nothing special. It's the same divinity TB with AP combat we've seen for the last 30 years but with a bland 5e ruleset.>really good encounter designEmpty words. I think what you mean by this is "there's cliffs you can throw people off" which is the one thing BG3 combat has going for it.Qs for the encounters in BG3, theyre all the same thanks to 5e. BG had basilisks that turned you to stone, disintrgrating beholders, int-draining, brain-eating mindflayers. Creatures actually had unique and deadly abilities that differentiated them. BG3 enemies are blobs of hitpoints. No memorable encounters or enemies. Even the spectator fight was fucking lame. The fucning Mutamins garden area with korax from BG1 is a better "encounter" almost every one from BG3.>why do boomers blah blahI'm 24
>>3212255>AP combatNo it's not, what lol
>>3212249NTA but what's different about tactician vs journalist mode?
>>3212210Probably thinking of BG 1 or 2 since those are the only games you get ambushed while you sleep.
>>3212242>journo modeAll your opinions are discarded in perpetuity.
>>3212266 gives people more hp and gives the ai a boner for anyone concentrating. Doesn't really do anything that addresses the issue of WHY the game is so easy.
>>3212266The AI doesn't even prioritize targets unless it's on tactician, their damage is boosted so enemies are actually dangerous and can burst you down, and they have enough HP to not get 1 shot.
>>3212210Its the waylay where you start off fully encircled by bqndit archers. If you're low level ar least one person will usually die, especially wizards.
>>3212276>>3212281These anons are gaslighting you solo paladinbro. Tactician is a joke.
>>3212287Smite will just one shot everything on balanced, it's night and day difference.
>>3212283A wizard with shield will probably live, definitely live with familiar hp on top of it.
>>3212262Sure, it is, just with less granularity. You get 1.5 ap per turn and most abilities cost 0.5 to 1 ap.
>>3212287“The combat devolved into a tedious chore due to waves of trash mobs when playing as a solo martial. It’s not hard or interesting, just annoying and time consuming”“Bro just spam fireball and spirit guardians to wipe out the trash, gg ez”
>>3212342No, it's split into phases, like, you know, 3.5e.
