The suffering will never end, my fellow kindredhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6b6LGubq6I
>>3189235>The Chinese Room
>>3189235HOPE LIVES>>3189236ONLY TO DIE
this shit going to be Swansong but in first person.
All my keks when after like a decade of development and one complete reboot it will still be a mediocre unity gay sex simulator, there will still be day one DLC's, it still will only have a half assed adaption of clan differences from VtmB because for modern devs it sounds like a crazy LSD trip to write more than one set of dialogue and everything besides Brujah and Ventrue will be included in the six different special editions you can buy.But most importantly it will completely bomb because you cant reproduce early 2000's aesthetics with 2020's graphics, gameplay, politics (lets be realistic here, it will be crammed to the fucking roof with real life politics with vampires and writers fetishes) and bland 2020's characters who got stripped of all personality (besides quirky girl #37836 and Redditor #534) to not offend anyone.Because what people want isnt VtMB 2. The only people who care about VtmB are a handful of boomers and autists and they actually just want more VtMB. They would have landed a safe win by just expanding VtMB and spending that lost decade on writing more shit for the original. Imagine all the content that could exist. But obviously you cant sell that as AAA title to new customers.
i want to believe
>>3189254Just as addition:Obviously no one cares for WoD. Literally fucking no one. The whole franchise consists of one classical crpg no one played, VtmB, a few VN's no one played and pnp that has been absolute cancershit for a decade now and that no one plays besides the fact that you literally will always fail to emulate pnp. The pnp crowd will be disappointed because its not even closely woke enough to step in the shoes of their magical tranny realm friday night club in angel-ravens (skittle/skittles) single moms basement and way to limited in its engine.The normie crowd will see some random first person rpg that is not fallout or skyrim and vaguely remember vampires from that twilight thing their girlfriend forced them to watch in high school.VtMB Autists will be dissapointed that they are not playing another episode of the rpg they have been analysing and playing to the last bit of content over a hundred times.I dont even know why they actually try to not fuck up so hard even though they cant really wint the game anyway.
A elder brain vampire awakens.Hate all you want, it's way better than what I expected. Bad? Sure. Still not as bad as failfield. Kek.
>>3189254>>3189266What a bunch of nonsense drivel
>>3189236Whats wrong with them?
>>3189274They've done nothing but walking sims and showelware.
>>3189235>preset female protagonistAbsolutely fucking retarded. It's not even an RPG anymore. Of course a bunch of "narrative" walking sim devs would remove character creation. Stupid faggots.>>3189270>Hate all you want, it's way better than what I expected.It's better than being able to create your own character instead of forced to play some "established" strong womyn? LMAO
>>3189277They just have the paizo brain worm of changing the default grammatical gender to female in the description.I think.
>>3189279>I think.Anon... show me where they've confirmed character creation is still in. They're dancing around it. For a reason.
>>3189281Probably my coping mechanism, but I'm actually fine with a pre-determined protagonist if it's done well (not that I have any expectation of it being good, mind you).I kinda liked vampire the masquerade redemption.
>elder awaken>ankaran sarcophagus macguffin plot again>Ventrue antagonists>not Lacroix Ventrue guy as prince>forced 1st personI don't like when they recycle previous entry plot. This isn't Sonic 1/2/3 to be the same thing and work. >no bow wow wow wow bow wow wow tier music in the trailerBiggest offense. When it's time to use a previous title assets they don't use.
>>3189236>walking sim devs
>>3189254>it will be crammed to the fucking roof with real life politics with vampires VTMB was already like that though, as was WoD in general. Any game with a character like Damsel would be denounced as woke today, I agree some of the other points though, especially the one about the graphics.
>>3189286This is the sequel to Bloodlines, not Redemption. Stripping out character creation is an insult and entirely misses the point of Bloodlines as a series. Secondly, a preset male like Christof is different from a preset female. I shouldn't have to explain why. It's just such a retarded decision it's almost unbelievable. Imagine selecting two bottom of the barrel devs in a row. Game is fucking cursed.
>dear esther devsit's actually fucking overhow the fuck is this studio even still alive?
>>3189281>You can choose between an absolute dogshit trainwreck from the dyed hair crew.>Or take this mediocre the last of us with vampires in first person from your favorite nogames creators who list releasing the remakes of mods they didnt develop for games they also didnt develop as one of their accomplishments along with obscure shovelware for mac tv or some shit.Good lord. They also have 0 rpg experience. 0. They made remakes of HL2 mods. This is going to be such a shitshow. Vampire RPG is off the table.
>>3189299>walking sim devs remove character creation>you're now forced to play a strong womyn girlboss with voices in her head
>>3189281there's clan selection still in so I don't see why you wouldn't be able to choose between male and fem- I mean type 1 or type 2 character
>>3189300There is a gigantic difference in having a well placed brujah rebell archetype in a fitting environment being pissed at gimme the key and blatantly using a game to campaign for the devs opinions and you know that.
>>3189310See here bro >>3189277Also they've had tons of VTM slop games before where you can select clan but still can't create your own character. In fact WoD games where you CAN create your own character instead of playing some diversity squad rejects are in the minority.
>>3189315>they've had tons of VTM slop games before where you can select clan but still can't create your own character.No, only one visual novel.
>>3189277>>3189270they went from playing a thin blood to playing an elder? kek
>>3189305They got that gay sex money. Investments from lgbt groups.
>>3189320>Coteries>Shadows>Swansong
>>3189328>CoteriesYeah>ShadowsYou don't choose anything, you are a preset Lasombra girl.>SwansongYou don't choose anything, you follow three different characters from three different clans at the same time.
>>3189321Lemme guess... the elder have amnesia.
>>3189235AHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAlove it, what a shit setting.
>>3189343And voices in her head
>>3189337Fr fr? No cap?
>>3189358ong
>>3189235Definitely looks cool, I hope they can pull it off. The development has been interesting, wondering what Brian Mitsoda has to say about this. Dead Island 2 was in dev hell for a looooong time, but apparently came out decent. Let's see what happens with this one.
>>3189359Aight. These niggas better add real character creation.
>>3189353Sigh... they will use the half done diablerie or diablerized a methuselah trying to take over shtick?
>>3189364I'm expecting a CUHRAZY quirky voice sidekick myself.
>>3189364that was my thought as well. very predictable.
It's hard to get excited for a game with a troubled history like this one. I want it to be good, I may even hold out some hope, but I won't be disappointed otherwise.
>>3189371>I want it to be goodlol, you are the problem with gaming.
>>3189277Wdym no cc?
>>3189286Redemption has two of the strongest characters in rpg. At least in terms of iconic coolness.
>>3189304No cc, no buy.>>3189308That's such a bad game. I expected a lot, just not this slop.
>>3189380>>3189387Unclear at this point but there are some red flags.
>>3189383It sure does. Too bad it's complete jank or it would've been one of my favorite games ever.
>>3189391I remember reading back in 2020 that they excluded a male pc. Only trans and female. Didn't mind it to much, bc trans and vampire are both deranged and fit each other. I already removed it from my list. If it catches my eye at release and there's a cc, it's OK. Can't be that hard to alter a appearance of the pc ffs.
>>3189396Yeah, hard to play nowadays. Not completely unplayable, but was outdated when it came out tbf.
>>3189398Could you even have a trans vampire or would their body try to heal itself? Tzimisce excluded, of course.Although to the fair, the Tzimisce are pretty much the only ones who actually would embrace trannies.
>>3189400Many things are outright broken, rather than just outdated or old fashioned.Like the fact that you can easily kite the first boss by walking in circles, or that many disciplines are completely busted and win combat encounters without effort.It ends up being walking simulator with extra effort put into some completely pointless mechanics. Unironically would've worked better as a cheap visual novel.
>>3189401Maybe they wear a wig, idk. I never thought of it as actual transgender, but.. You know, a wig and some fetish boots or idk. Lore wise the body will revert to status quo.
>>3189405Yeah, the first boss is by far the hardest, isn't he? Many skills are either useless, not implemented or op, agree. Balance is non existent. Shame, cool ideas in that game.
>>3189275I heard the only people left were a co founder and a composerthe rest are new hires
>>3189413I hope the composer didn't work on the trailer. Music is awful.
>>3189235I honestly don't care about the combat and gameplay, it can be a broken mess just like the first one. I just want decent dialogues and quests, I don't care about anything elseYes, my expectations are so low, I know, but I'm even probably asking too much.
>>3189425Good luck with writing in gaming. Best writing I can think of are few snippets from souls games. They have like one hour of voice acting, unlike modern rpg with 2m lines. Quality clearly suffers with quantity.
>>3189425This, but the exact opposite.
>>3189429I don't expect a masterpiece, just characters that are fun to talk to and quests that feel rewarding to complete, for whatever reason. >>3189432You're even more delusional than me.
>>3189432you might want to play cyberpunk 2077 then
>>3189433No, I have no expectations at all. I'm just perfectly cognizant of which aspect they'd be, however unlikely, able to deliver on to my satisfaction.
>>3189425Need to bring the passion back to videogames, first. And I mean the passion for games, not the passion for gay sex.
>>3189435I like RPGs.
>>3189440doesn't seem so though
>>3189443I imagine it would, if you are the type of retard who thinks contemporary dangerhair game developers can provide good writing or quests. See, I don't even have a subscription to Netflix.
>>3189236I don't know why people are surprised by this. It's like the open secret that they're working on it for years here.
They didn't give tithe Harebrained when hardship imploded
>>3189235Christ, they still haven't given up on this yet? What a mess.
>>3189235This shit is exactly what's wrong with v5 and v20. VtM isn't a fucking superheroes game. Looks like Dying Light but "lol you're vampires it's so depressing use your super-speed-mega-punch-slide!"
>>3189425on the contrary, your expectations are too high for this team
can't wait :)
>>3189279That's a thing since 1991. VtM always used female pronouns. It's where Paizo (and lots of other RPGs) picked it up from.
>>3189529the quality of progressives has degraded because they are unchallenged.
>>3189532yeah, a lot of people don't know how long feminists have been embedded into tabletop. there was always a false narrative about men driving women away from the table and the books would make various contortions to alleviate this "problem". i guess it was an easy target because tabletop nerds are horny and easy to shame and bully along with a learned resentment for strong masculinity.
>>3189531Bit disingenuous when they clearly show superior combat in this trailer, right? Not saying it'll be good, just that they have some actual melee shit going on that's better than the original. Low bar notwithstanding.
>>3189540That's an overstatement. White Wolf were absolutely the first ones to outright address feminist themes in their RPG. DnD in particular was a wargaming sausage-fest. It was the mid-90s craze for VtM specifically (fueled mostly through Hot Topic clan shirts) that brought women into RPGs.
>>3189548Are you saying that their tactics actually had an effect and brought women into the hobby?
>>3189401>Could you even have a trans vampire or would their body try to heal itself?Depends on whether you do it pre or post embrace. Otherwise your in a Jaggedy Andy situation, forced to slice open every night. (At least, until you get some Tzimsce help.)
>>3189551I don't think it was a tactic. White Wolf's founders were a diverse group who wanted a different kind of RPG, and I think their desire to be progressive and inclusive was totally sincere. It absolutely worked.
>>3189548i had women in my group in the 80s. lack of interest isn't alleviated by pronoun usage.>>3189553yes, it was totally due to feminist themes and pronouns. not vampires being attractive to women or the social focus of storyteller.
>>3189555>i had women in my group in the 80s. lack of interest isn't alleviated by pronoun usage.Of course women were playing. But the games weren't writing to them until White Wolf. >>3189555Well, I actually said it was the hot topic t-shirts that looked like the art from The Crow. But I understand how you got confused when you tried to invent a straw-man.
>>3189266>The whole franchise consists of one classical crpg no one played, VtmB, a few VN's no one played and pnp that has been absolute cancershit for a decade now and that no one plays besides the fact that you literally will always fail to emulate pnp.Don't forget the bombed WtA action game and maybe okay Wraith VR game. Those two seem to exist.
>>3189553>White Wolf's founders were a diverse grouplol, i missed this>>3189556>writing to themit wasn't writing to anyone in particular.>hot topic t-shirtsthat was so stupid i ignored it. interview with the vampire and type o negative probably brought more people to vampire than anything else.
>>3189562Way to lash out, little buddy. I guess you're really butthurt about my calling you out for your strawman.>interview with the vampire and type o negative So you're saying it wasn't the pop-culture that I flippantly referenced. It was the pop-culture that you super-seriously referenced, all of which was enjoyed enthusiastically by the. exact. same. people?You gotta chill, little buddy.
>>3189567>u maddamn, that was quick. you don't deal with being wrong very well.>enjoyed enthusiastically by the. exact. same. peopleyeah, it's almost like white wolf was trying to capitalize on a demographic by selling t-shirts at hot topic and wasn't sincere about "inclusion"
>>3189308I thought the schizoid was from Ninja Theory tho?
>>3189266There was a console action game for hunter. I think it was like an isometric shooter for ps2 and xbox?
>>3189401Tzimisce trannies you say? I would guess way more Malkavians embrace trannies though.
In my opinion, no matter how bad the original was, firing the devs, director and writer was a mistake. VTM:B's legacy, despite it being way over time and over budget, is that "activision killed it". The actual issues with development largely don't exist in the mind of the public, the fact they got two extensions didn't matter either, to most people VtM:B is "that game activision killed". Deciding to kill off a version of the sequel, involving at least some of the original team (that writer) is just fucking horrendous from a marketing perspective, and unless this version is GOTYAY somehow, paradox is going to be considered just as bad as activision.As for the actual trailer, I didn't like it. The super fast punches feel like shit compared to just putting you in hyper slowmo and letting you do every punch yourself like the first one. The animations looked cheap and dated, though the knockup execution and the blood projectiles weren't awful. I couldn't even tell what kind of power that shockwave thing was, I don't recall telekinesis being a core discipline so what was it? The developers choice to use an elder as a character would fit another VTM game, but is going to chafe hard with being a bloodlines sequel. If I'm an elder, how the fuck am i going to go around dealing with gangsters and low level vampires? Even if torpor has weakened me, the seedy street level stuff vtm:B starts off with is going to feel bizarre. I'm not quite as negative on the developer, because where others see "oh no a developer with no major projects" i see "oh good, a developer with no major projects" maybe they have potential they haven't shown off yet. Maybe. The trailer did not give hope.
>>3189620>transgender character with swastikas on boobsIsn't this a batman villain?
>>3189235glad they kept this sexy vampire. and i'm looking forward to the game.
>>3189391>Unclear at this pointyes, we know you are making shit up.
>>3189401You probably have to jump through some extra hoops. Like some spending some blood points shit involving some magic ritual if you aren't just getting tzimicisce'd
>>3189636Prove it
>>3189254take your meds.
It's kind of impressive how thoroughly Paradox has botched their handling of the WoD IP.
>>3189644>first pick for dev team is a no-name studio with zero rpg experience >ends poorly>reboot everything with new developers >second pick for dev team is a no-name studio with zero rpg experienceWhy though?
>>3189521>VtM isn't a fucking superheroes game.Yes, it is.
>>3189377What's wrong with wanting games to be good? I like VTM. I like Bloodlines. Are you simple?
>>3189686no, i'm quite smart. does wanting a game to be good make it good? you are a "hype primer", encouraging reboots, remakes, and ip vultures because you "remember old game" and think "old game name 2" is a good thing.
>>3189542I think they were just smart not to show off firearms.
Next trailer - January. Back to torpor until then
cool, another generic action game
>>3189300it's today today and vtmb is still not denounced as woke, mr. reddit
>>3189236It never even began.
>>3189439>Need to bring the passion back to videogames, first.>And I mean the passion for games, not the passion for gay sex.The most soulful games I have played in past few years were the fetish ones. So perhaps don't dismiss the the gay sex right off the bat.
>>3189521>super-speed-mega-punch-slide!"Absolute turn off and frankly bad animated.
>>3189521But how do you imagine Celerity and Potence look like, anon?
Which Clans do you think will be playable on release? It would be>Brujah>Gangrel>Malkavian>Nosferatu>Toreador>Tremere>VentrueAnd maybe have>Banu HaqimBanu Haqim might be DLC, because I’m sure normies aren’t aware of the lore outside of Bloodlines and be like “Who the fuck are these guys?”. They would be the only other Clan besides Tremere to have Blood Sorcery as an in-clan Discipline, but then again, we don’t know how the Discipline system will work for the game, especially since it’s adapting the V5 system.>LasombraLasombra might be in the core Clans, I think Coteries of New York was relatively popular enought to warrant it.Also to note, Hardsuit Labs had mentioned Gangrel and Nosferatu wouldn’t be in the core game, but added as DLC later. I hope The Chinese Room doesn’t do this, but until we get confirmation, you should be wary. On the bright side, I heard all the playable Clans will be announced sporadically from now until the end of 2023.Hecata fucking never :(
do yourself a favour and go play Night Road instead. Its pozzed but its the best thing out there nowadays.
>>3189235I can already tell its going to be shit from the netflix music.
>>3189562>interview with the vampireGay vampires call to gay vampires
>>3189741Replace gangrel with Lasombra for the main release
>>3189460>getting this ass blasted about being recommended an action game when you stated you wanted better gameplay and actionwew lad, you dumb as shit
>>3189741>Banu Haqim>HecataOh yeah. It will be new shit edition. One more strike against it.
>>3189770gay vampires call to fat chicks, more like.
>>3189786>u madMy point flew right over your head, it was about what you are more likely to get nowadays.
>>3189795I mean, using V5 as a video game just means you have a WAY bigger chance of fighting Hunters as Second Inquisition is a thing. You don't have to use any of the nonsense.
>>3189904>You don't have to use any of the nonsense.if you look at something like swansong it still very much had a blood meter in the form of hunger points.
>>3189904You are actually forced to use V5 rulings as per World of Darkness Unbound, I doubt big contracts are any different, Paradox wants to sell V5 not 20A or earlier versions.
>>3189235>0:35ATATATATATATATATATATA
>>3189691>anon clearly sates he thinks the game will be bad because of a trouble production>but he also hopes it will be good despite thisHow the fuck is this hype? Are you just now learning about marketing in your first year of college or something?
>>3189737Same way how it worked in VtMB, slow time and more powerful melee. You don't need some wacky cinematic animation that wastes your time, just let us make use of our abilities as we like and at most show some after effects on the environment.
>>3189741I coulda sworn Thin Bloods were confirmed. Maybe that's just the old team. If the interpenetration of MC being hard-locked as an Elder makes that unlikely (although not impossible. There's nothing saying there can't be old blood 14+ gens)
>>3189277>Voices in headWHAT the FUCK is with "modern" RPGs and forced sidekick/voices in the head?BG3Cyberpunk 2077 and now this.Seriously this is such a garbage plot device, completly ruins any roleplaying potential game ever had
>>3190213Maybe it's the hot new trend, just like amnesiac heroes were in the early to mid 2000s.
>>3189235I like the tone of this trailer, maybe they've actually made something good out of this trainwreck
>>3189321Honestly a good change. I always thought it was silly how powerful you get in VTMB by the end, when you're basically just some literal who shouldn't be able to hold a finger to Vampires who have been around for decades, let alone centuries. Sure people like the Taxi Driver and Jack help you along, but it's not like they ever do anything directly that reasonably explains your character getting so powerful. Being an Elder slowly coming to from a torpor nap is a better way to make the powerscaling feel realistic. I also think they might use the Elder PC to justify a combat system with little to no guns, since guns looked awful in the first gameplay videos. Note how there isn't a single scene of the PC using a gun, only melee or blood magic
>>3190252Your generation was lowered during your sleep. Andrei talks about how your blood is different.
>>3189321this is a good change.
sexy ventrue.
>they kept this chad and booby vampire ladyBased.
>>3190261Generation doesn't beat old age + experience, plus you always have the same blood pool and blood buff gives you the same stats. A more plausible explanation is that Caine enhances your blood to receive the full benefits of experience as if you were living entire decades in 3 nights because REASONS. I love VTMB but the plot is so fucking shit, I bet Mitsoda was gonna use Lilith in the sequel too.
>>3190302I wonder if they kept zoomer whore tremere girl.
>>3190303we don't know what the player character has actually been through to be so weakened. i doubt he was just "sleeping". in fact, there are several cases of EXTREMELY weakened elders who are helpless in the lore.
>>3190305Maybe they went into torpor shortly after the embrace, that would be interesting.
>>3190206The old plot was that you were a thinblood and had permission or were forced to diablerize someone to get into their clan or some nonsense like that.
>>3189277retard
>>3189440try CoD, seems more your style
>>3190302I hope they kept his voiceactor. He's the same guy who voices LaCroix, right?
>>3190309Yeah, I could see that happening during a mass embrace or time of strife or war or something, and it would be interesting! However, it would also require that the player character have some knowledge or perspective from a different, ancient culture, as opposed to a modern North American one. Do you think that will be integrated into the game?No, it will be generic amnesia, and your PC will have generic North American options (if they have any, since it is Chinese Room, after all).
>>3190335I like RPGs.
>>3190340To be fair if they established where the PC is from that would be even more limiting. It would be nice if they let the PC express culture shock and complain about them newFANGled horseless carriages making everyone lazier.
they should keep all the side quests that mitsoda wrote, but completely re-do the main quest.
them making one type of game is not stopping them from making another type of game.
>>3190314oh...
Diablerie seems to be a big deal and encouraged for player characters in the new editions/media, why is that? Does society want to eat itself for personal advancement these days, is that what they're trying to say?
>>3190261How do you down in generation? Did you mean blood potency?
>>3190357? Diablerie is still a hard taboo but it makes for interesting stories so people like putting it everywhere vampire related
>>3189620>that picMakes sense. The embrace often twists people into a warped corruption of who they once were. In life, HE had faith in a bright future for humanity. In death, SHE has only a fanatical desire to destroy everything.
>KOTOR with vampires>darth revan the vampire >you regain your powers and memoryMeh
>>3189531>HOLY SHIT that gunplay is worse than Cyberpunk Tranny77!this game was dead before it even arrived.
>>3190298Better than REm4ke Ada, that's for sure.
>>3190358diablerie, anon
>>3189254Your ass must be so sore. Do you wear diapers to manage the pain? Would be super based if you did, that would definitely show the woke mob.
>>3189235>seattleTrash
>>3190473>diapers to manage the pain?what kind of attempted burn is this? it makes no sense.
>>3189300The first Vampire was just seindfeld rpg, a capsule of the 90s.This is just feel being a try hard devs
Everything about this trailer apart from the fact that the pioneer leader if that faction still exists in this new plot is implied to know the PC is worse. The combat seems no better than the scripted sections of HSL's trailer if anything its worse since the enemies are less diverse in design the environment is uglier with the cities details buried under snow which will make it harder for each HUB to feel unique. And we saw nothing of major NPC's or locations besides the reused manor asset where is the corpse diorama the sectary telling us to fuck off the pioneers literally closing the doors on us little details that flesh out the city of Seattle and its inhabitants hinting at how we will be treated by each group. The current team are British not Seattle residents like HSL who brought that experience to there design both visually and narratively.
>>3190339Yes, but he really phoned it. After his phenomenal performance as Lacroix I expected better.
>>3190379>KOTOR with vampiresSounds great
>>3190513His phenomenal performance 19 years ago. Be reasonable. Even Marge's voice actor in the Simpsons has throat cancer now.
>>3190448Oh wait, now I see what you meant. Thought something like 5 => 6, not 6 => 5.Not sure how you can sleep diablerize though
>>3190511the basic plot set up is better, too soon to tell anything else.
>>3190511Why did they even make it snowy anyways? Seattle rarely ever sees snow, and when it does it's only like a single day per year. You know what seattle does get a lot of? Rain! And rain would have much better fit the World of Darkness mood. These brit devs are actually retarded.
I'm worried about how much the character being forced to be an Elder is going to impede player choices during character creation. If the PC is supposed to be centuries old it's going to be hard to reconcile having a high skill in hacking, for example.
>>3190706>I'm worried about how much the character being forced to be an Elder is going to impede player choices during character creation.>during character creation.>character creationAnon, I...
>>3190702>>Why did they even make it snowy anyways?So they can have a narrative excuse for why there's barely any people outside.
>>3190713Shhhh! Don't spoil the surprise! Just wait and see how long it takes before they realise.
>>3190777>>3190713Well you'll be able to choose your clan. You probably won't be able to choose any attributes or skills, these days the standard mainstream design is to let you play through a tutorial before you go making decisions so you can have the context to make informed decisions.
>>3190706in vtmb vampires don't have to gain skills the traditional way.
>>3190706>>3190713>Bloodlines 1 was supposed to have character creation>Couldn’t implement it due to being forced to rush the release>Bloodlines 2’s vague description implies a “fixed” character>Developers haven’t confirmed it, despite it like taking only 2 sentences to confirm or deny itFor a game that’s based off a TTRPG, you’d think character creation would be the first thing to add.
>>3190805>>Bloodlines 1 was supposed to have character creationBloodlines did have character creation. What are you even talking about?
>>3190706Eh. In VtM:R, you played a character who was just-shy of being a thousand. And that story was bad-ass, for its time.
>>3190844you think people in this thread actually played redemption or the table top game at all?
>>3190859I dunno. But I do, and I love both. So I'm up to talk about 'em.
>>3190839I meant character appearance customization, in case you misunderstood.
>>3190805>>Bloodlines 2’s vague description implies a “fixed” character>>Developers haven’t confirmed it, despite it like taking only 2 sentences to confirm or deny itRed flags
>>3190859I played Redemption and Bloodlines. This game is gonna be bad
>>3189235Doesn't look too good, especially compared to the former trailer. Unless they show something impressive this is straight to the bargain bin before I consider getting it.
>>3190303>I love VTMB but the plot is so fucking shitIt’s a buggy source engine mess, the plot is carrying most of it
>>3190920The plot in VTMB is like the plot in porn, it's just an excuse to introduce new stuff, the real star is the character writing and the atmopshere.
>>3189235No PS4 release? Come the fuck on, I doubt it’s going to be as graphically demanding as Cyberflop 2077.
>>3190887Superficial and especially meaningless in a game that's mostly played in first person
>>3190887No, you meant "I have never played these games and have no clue what I'm talking about."Dude it was 2004. You got to choose your clan, gender and stats. There were 3 entirely different models for each character, depending on your armor.
Release winter 2024
>>3190887This is an interesting point to raise. The most important thing for character creation these days seems to be facial cosmetics. It's all face sliders, hairstyles, scars, make-up, etc. It's good to make your character look like his character class, but there's no reason that can't be done with set models. It works for VTMB because different bloodlines tend to embrace specific kinds of people. If you had a full cosmetic character creature and made a gangrel, you probably would make a dirty fucking hippie.
>>3191165No, it isn't an interesting point. It's a poster who said something stupid, then tried to change his comment when he realized how stupid it was.Games in 2004 didn't have face sliders because the whole head was like 6 sides of a polygon.
>>3191166Think of it this way: VtM:B came out closer to Final Fantasy 1, than it did to today. That's the reasonable comparison.VtM:B had character customization out the ass, for its time.
>>3191171>VtM:B came out closer to Final Fantasy 1, than it did to today.Please don't write these kinds of things, anon. I don't need that reality check.
>>3189236FPBPthe vampires in the trailer don't even look like vampires there's absolutely no vibe to it and this isn't even comparing it to the original it looks and feels more like a batman game than a vampire game there's no grit to it no eerie atmosphere or anything they slapped gaytracing to the environment and called it a day how lazy can you get but I have to admit it looks better than what they showed initially but it still is nowhere enough to be even considered close to the original and why was there so much focus on the combat when the combat is the least good aspect about the original game????
>>3191174Wanna hear one that'll really blow your mind? The Great Pyramids were older, to the Roman Empire, than the Roman Empire is to you and me.
>>3191175>why was there so much focus on the combat when the combat is the least good aspect about the original game????Because hardly anyone gives a damn about Coteries/Shadows of New York, Night Road, and Swansong. People want a Vampire the Masquerade game with combat.
>>3191183no one plays bloodlines for the combat everyone plays it for being one of the best, most memorable and timeless RPGs of all time and if the only thing you can show of is the combat then you have nothing else going for it and the combat looked like a batman button masher the entire trailer was full of red flags no one who originally worked on the game is here anymore and the people working on it now are clueless if the trailer and their rep is anything to go by
>>3191184I like the gunplay and making people explode as tremere
>>3191180Yeah, but that has no bearing on my awareness of my own mortality, so it doesn't hit hard at all.
>>3189425>I just want decent dialogues and questsYeah that isn't going to happen in current year sorry buddy.
>>3191189Bro, you're going to die. That will happen. You will die. Your body is gonna get rancid and gross.
>>3190996it's going to rely on gaytracing to carry its ass like cybershite
>>3191193Yeah, that's very weak, probably because death itself doesn't bother me, but rather the fading of the time in which to live. The FF1 thing was much more impactful.
>>3191184http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines/558109p1.html>"On the other hand, we had some of our younger testers who kept coming up to us and saying that what the game needed was much more combat." Boyarsky said. It seems that having people push and pull from both sides of the divide actually contributed to making a better combined game than it might have been otherwise.
>>3191193Nah. I can't see myself dying.
>>3191175>>3191184I really don't know why you keep comparing it to Batman, the combat looks like it shares literally nothing at all in common with the bamham games. It looks a lot more like Dishonored. I agree with you on the devs not seeming to know what the focus for VTMb should be, though.
>>3191151No, there were plans to have you customize your appearance. Your hair style, hair color, and face type. The options were displayed by various NPC, like how that one NPC looks like the default Male Toreador. It was scrapped, among other things, Troika was forced to rush the release the game.
>>3191166>Games in 2004 didn't have face sliders because the whole head was like 6 sides of a polygonI didn’t say face sliders, you fucking mong. I said character appearance. Yeah, it was 2004. And? Like you couldn’t customize Revan’s appearance in KOTOR?
>>3191643They were ridiculously overscoped and that was an easy cut to make.
Will there be microtransactions and DLC shenanigans? Like paid clans and paid abilities?
>>3191781>paid clansmost likely, this is a paradox license>and paid abilities?I don't think so, maybe a recolor prepurchase dlc for some thaumaturgy discipline
>>3191643Even if they had those things 100% ironed out, they would've had to scrap them anyway. Working on a WIP game engine is bound to break those things once a new update comes in.
>>3191800>most likely, this is a paradox licenseDay 1 pirate.
>>3189235doa? I mean, picrel is what a lot of felas that may have some interest in this rpg would want to play as so not only is the ability to create a character off the table but the character we play as is female (kiss self-inserters sayonara), and I fucking DOUBT the writing quality, the character herself or gameplay will make up for it considering the history, source and that it's 2023.
>>3189235Looks a lil jank, but pretty cool. If the game is centered around city hubs like the original but updated to have more verticality like NuDX, it will be fun to play even if they fuck up other stuff.The graphix and atmospheric lighting is great, and the character models are attractive.
>>3191816>we worked hard on thisthree face types per race. all ugly
>>3191955You'll have to go to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by multiculturalism... space!
>Between today and the end of 2023, we will reveal all playable clans in Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2. In the opening months of 2024, we will reveal gameplay and go into depth on disciplines, playstyles and the experience of playing the game as each clan.
>>3189425what do you think the G in RPG stands for? Fuck off and go play a VN.
>>3191969>You'll have to go to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by multiculturalism... space!Too late, Godd Howard got there first and made it pozzed just for you!
>>3190303generation is quite literally a reflection of power and how high your skill ceiling is. Lived experience is important but if you can buff more blood than the other guy, especially as a lower gen the fights already over. Hate how almost all discussion of this franchise on this website is full of fags who only played vtmb and MAYBE skimmed the terribly written wiki
>>3190935Ah, I see what you mean. I was assuming you were lumping it all into "plot" like a retard cause I was sleepy. Yeah, I agree.
>>3192088>discussion of this franchise on this website is full of fags who only played vtmblol, but only faggots play Vampire to begin with. It's kinda shit.
>>3191360>I really don't know why you keep comparing it to Batman>shares literally nothing at all in common with the bamham games
>>3192463NTA but how is this webm supposed to prove your point? People complain about bamham because the combat is trivialized by using the counterattack. This webm and the trailer in general share no similarities to any bamham game I've ever played. Not in animations, combat or aesthetics as far as I can see.
>>3192463Stop! He's already dead.
>>3192481there's also a part in the trailer where you mash enemy heads in the concrete every time they try to attack just like in bamham games with the counter attack animation
>>3192088If you ever played the tabletop you would know that enhancing your strength or dexterity is not that big of a deal compared to high level disciplines or a good amount of influence through backgrounds both of which come from age+XP. Shit, even a human could beat you 1v1 even if you have 3 points of extra strength if you roll badly or your skills are not leveled up.
>>3189632> BOOBA COOMA, ME PAYRetard.
From a previous threadhttps://vocaroo.com/13bRPyiKAmuRhttps://vocaroo.com/1nkM3dOhjNM0https://vocaroo.com/19gl2Fks60V9
>>3192613>blackmailing Damsel>blackmailing her to go on a date with you>blackmailing her in the bar so she needs to change her voice quickly when seeing someone she knowshttps://vocaroo.com/1apQEt4Yzvg8https://vocaroo.com/13oMLDuF0n70https://vocaroo.com/1lUf1kPmjpLehttps://vocaroo.com/160k44qjvienhttps://vocaroo.com/1erPIe0Ulkk4
>>3189235>soulless trannymusic>Skyrim graphics>generic locations>nothing about the story>all combat footage>no atmosphereI never thought I'd see a day where they made the original's trailer look like a cinematic masterpiece. https://youtu.be/yOPv4o9Q8Cc?si=118tnXMf-x6EO_cyBut hey, at least we'll finally be able to play He-She's that punch nazis!
>>3189235Fool me once, I didn't expected much the first time because I learned to temper my expectations, but this time I won't expect a single fucking thing.
>>3190213Maybe you play a Malkavian
>>3191201People who didn't even exist when Vampire Bloodlines came out can now legally vote and many already have kids of their own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLKKc3gxk20Hope they kept him.
The Chinese Room is actually a good thing for this project, as I'm sure they'll nail the thick, lively atmosphere of the setting, in all its glamour, rot and decay, the only question that remains is how much freedom they're going to have to put their own print on the game and how well they're going to handle the RPG mechanics. I no longer dread for its fate, now I'm just looking forward to it releasing and seeing whether it's going to live up to the original, a high-feat and one that's likely not going to be achieved, or whether it's just going to be an interesting game - not necessarily good or bad or somewhere in the middle, but an interesting game with its own ideas that it wants to see to fruition. The only thing that remains is to wait, to play and then judge accordingly, and I'm gonna go on a limb here, I actually think everything is going to be alright in the end. Have my hopeful bump!
>>3192705they kept A LOT of stuff from the old project. i'm guessing they kept music (of course they will add their own) and the writing for side quests.
>>3192772Hopefully they tone down mitsoda's inherent corniness.
>>3192772The side quests were oriented around finding all the other vampires who were created during the mass embracing. That entire plot is gone.
>>3192752>live up to the originalwas a broken game with terrible combat.
>>3192778Yet almost 20 years after it lives as a cult classic.
Wasn't one of the preorder things about thinblood things? Now that TCR made you into an elder, I guess the people who preordered are screwed now?
>>3192880didn't all preorders get refunded ages ago when all the troubles started anyway?
>>3192880They already offered no-strings-attached refunds.
If the game is good I hope it runs decent on midrange hardware without any upscaling shit
I have a worry (probably baseless) that the choice to play as an elder vampire was to create a narrative reason for the combat to be unchallenging. I keep imagining they made an early build and were struggling with things like level design and building difficult encounters and decided the philosophy would be for the game to be a straight power fantasy rather than a traditional difficulty curve. I've only been thinking this because their lead designer was only hired a year ago even though the projects been in motion for 3 years. And now they want to hold off on showing actual combat footage til January.
>>3192752They're not even going to let you create your own character. Just watch. They're fucking retarded.
>>3193602Is this supposed to be a flowstate chart?
>>3192088If you think the wiki is terribly written, try reading the 5e corebook. The entire thing feels like it was written by someone who never touched a TTRPG in their lives and refused to.
>>3189300>#1 most disingenuous regurgitated leftoid copemobile opinion in all of vidyaCongratulations on being a walking stereotype of everything everyone hates in this industry. What other history will you rewrite in your glorious crusade to polish every turd that plops out of the left's ass?
>>3194594he's not really wrong though. except about damsel, tabletop vampire was major wokeshit and bloodlines was made by cali faggots who pushed for things that ruined the industry.
>>3193602the reason they chose a elder vampire because it makes the most narrative sense to be a "player" against other powerful vampire. and it's obvious the player character will awaken in a very weakened state and have to regain their power by leveling up or whatever. it has nothing to do with making gameplay easier.
being a weakened elder vampire makes much more sense than being a special snowflake like the original game.
>>3194596Okay, so why did they choose a predefined female protagonist instead of letting you create your own character?
>>3194596probably so you can have a fish out of water character that can ask everyone what the fuck is happening constantly
>>3189799I'll never forget going to a VTMP larp in SF.They had access to an abandoned church even.My buddy was the shirriff and talked me into it, as we superior D&D players mostly saw vampires as creatures to turn and or stake/behead, especially as cleric focused as I myself am. You will also recall their lower position on the nerd pecking order.jpgMostly the drama club crowd, some actual talent in the vampire prince to act and project.I was secondhandedly embarrassed at the simping for the one thot in full rubber latex gear but in context versus modern simping for e-thots behind computer screens everyone in that room was a megachad.Except for the one fat chick who cornered me with a book to sperg out about that fucking pixie/celt setting they made, I forgot the name of it but I think it was Gaelic for "Troon".>like a bouncing spheroid christmas ornament dripping glitter and hot topic facepaint du jour, I still shudder at the memory.
>>3194600Do those even exist anymore? All the "RPG" weirdos migrated to Discord. Face to face games are mostly card crack, war gamers or relative normies playing board games and D&D 5e. The freakshows don't show up in person for obvious reasons.
>>3194604I suppose they don't. I don't deal with discord nor social media.Some of the "relative normies" I played tabletop with were surprisingly highly placed career people for the time. The kind that bring all the expensive shit to burning man, etc.
>>3191235>We discussed it at length and decided the best people to design our game would be children and troons.
>>3190473He's laying out a funny truth bomb and you sound like the salty copenhaven guy though.
>>3194597dude... le caine XD
>>3194600Kek, what year was this?
>>3194594Its less an "everything is political" statement and more that specifically WOD always represented the entire modern political spectrum in its setting(which would go both ways of course) in the context of how these ideologies would relate to vampires and werewolves. I guess it would be justified to express concern over the new game possibly having less choice than the previous one in order to railroad the player into conforming to the ideological biases of the dev team, something every rpg should strive never to do.
>>3194663>A bona fide reasonable comment instead of the usual ineffectual defensive posturing.I'm in shock here, do you know you're on 4chan?>PossiblyI'll even let that go.>WOD always represented the entire modern political spectrum in its setting(which would go both ways of course) Early on, just to pull a random number totally at random say pre 2016 I think it was this way but I do believe I saw a later example of a whole page in a sourcebook devoted to how fascism was bad so you should play the game only in the way they approved which is completely unlike fascism and all.
>>3194663Really it comes down to can a modern dev team with modern sensibilities get across a Skinhead Brujah and a Black Panther Brujah in an equally respectable and realistic way? I'd wager no unlike twenty years ago where people were just cooler.
>>3194604Is anyone even excited for this game?The original was only even remotely good because of the atmosphere, freedom, and laser focus on very specific aspects of the lore which made it have "good" writing. Literally even a slight deviation from what they wrote would have ended up as somr sort of deviantart tranny bullshit, ehich is what vtm has always been about The dialogue even then isnt good unless you play malkavianWho could possibly be excited for this?>>3194610This. Vtmb ended up a good game by the good sense of troika, completely unrelated to the setting. They might as well have tried to make Teletubbies:bloodlines. I am surprised vtmb was even good in the first place
>>3194650Super early 2k, 2000-2005 at the very latest, it's been too long to remember exactly.
>>3189235Aw, man, this is gonna fucking suck.
>>3194673>Who could possibly be excited for this?People who still haven't learned about Sturgeon's Law.I'm curious what the game will be like and hope it will be good. But the development hell it's gone through, the catastrophic game releases in the last 5 years and the fact it's being developed by a walking simulator studio make me think this will be a 5/10 game if we're lucky.
I'm just hoping for decent writing and immersive voice acting and enviromentshttps://voca.ro/1mERzG8dD75B
>>3194597>weakened elder vampire>special snowflakesame thing
>>3194597you should play as a neonate with the voice of an elder in your head bossing you around
>one The Chinese Room employee outright says that they've done "nothing but walking simulators up to this point" but they've been poaching employees from other studios who do shooters and RPGsHonestly at this point if they're self aware then let them have it. No studio would've fit the profile for this game. Hardsuit could've handled the shooting sure, but what about everything else? Even the rumored other studios could not have. Harebrained would've done backgrounds right sure but everything else might suffer. That other studio might've done worse since their games is just known for their rather atmospheric take on the "Ubisoft Tower", which reveals peoples, factions, items etc besides unlocking the map - that would've been great for the intrigue aspect that a Vampire game would have (who owns the gun store that's open 24/7, why is the dermal clinic handing out blood transfusions, who's the vampire who owns the junkie alley, why does the local pastor know about vampires and why is he helping you etc.) but what about everything else?
>>3189275Original VtMB was a walking sim/VN with badly designed trash combat encounters in between, so at least it might be faithful to the original.
>>3196295>Harebrained would've done backgrounds right sure but everything else might suffer.It would've been better if Harebrained made an isometric Vampire game.
>>3196295So why did they choose to go with a preset female protagonist instead of character creation?
>>3197114Periods mean infinite blood points
You think they’re going to add romance options?
>>3197299Aren't vampires canonically incapable of love? They get their kick from drinking blood and nothing else.
>>3197512They don't really have sex because they can only do it if they use blood and it still feels like shit when compared to drinking blood, but they still can love. For example, the Dark Ages Constantinople was run by a trio of homo lovers.
>>3197512nothing prevents a vampire from loving, they all just becomed jaded with age
>>3197596>>3197528Fair enough, I must have misremembered. Still a romance with any character would be difficult to pull off without having it seem like pandering.
>>3197605That's a problem on all games, I'm afraid
>>3197607Which is why it's best to never do them in the first place, outside of a romance simulator or something.
>>3197596Typical Brujah drama queen.
>>3197631Eh, if anything he's underselling it.
Come on guys, maybe it'll be good.
>>3200035Only if it still has character creation. Simplest fucking thing and they still haven't even confirmed it. Instead talking about how the protagonist will be more predefined and calling out specifically as female... probably some preset genderswapped Geralt wannabe. Fucking bullshit. Retarded walking sim dev cunts.
>>3200035lol, no
>>3200035not in a million years you clueless newfag
>>3200057There's nothing wrong with a premade character like Geralt or Adam Jensen if the writing is good and there's build options.
>>3200035You're posting on a board full of incoherent lemming grognards who reflexively dismiss anything new as bad and use schizo logic in an attempt to justify their nostalgic favorites.There are people on this board who will, in all seriousness, try claiming that BG1 has good writing and dialogue, or that VTMB had good combat. There are people on this board who due to a complete lack of any socialization in real life spend their time engaging in literal consumerist video game company tribalism, fighting for x developer because they have nothing to fight for in real life.Bloodlines 2 could be the greatest vampire game ever made, or the greatest RPG ever made and people here would still shit on it, because most are contrarian /v/ermin who crawled from their home board and due to a lack of humanity or soul can only engage in the lowest common denominator of posting and thought.
>>3200035>walking sim devs>making a sequel to one of the best rpgs of all timeThere isn't a single sign that hints this will be anything better than swansong.
>>3200407>tribalism>contrarian>gets mad when someone says the game won't be goodYou dumb filthy reddit spacing nigger monkey that came crawling from your pisscord let me tell you there is absolutely not a single hint that the game will even be remotely good not in the trailer, not when development started, not when the game was handed over to chink room and not on the accounts of the current people that are working on it.
>>3200435>thinks some anon using paragraphs is “Reddit spacing”Looks like cringe is back on the menu, boys
>>3200330>gruff emotionless action hero is "good writing"retard
>>3200503>character isn't exaggerating their emotions 24/7>tHeY mUsT bE eMoTiOnLeSs
>>3200435onlynewfagscomplainabout reddit spacing
Just what I wanted from VTMB 2, Dishonored but all the maps are only at night
>>3200435>incoherent soup of buzzwordsStopped reading within the first 5 words, try harder
>>3197596Huh, oh yeah. Christof is an elder, so technically this isn't the first time we're playing as an elder, though technically the first time we play as an elder from character creation to endgame.
>>3201364Maybe the tutorial is in the victorian era, though I doubt it.
>>3201370they could just do that. You start in Europe somewhere, tutorial and exposition, make a plan to dominate a plot of land in the New World, set sail, torpor during the journey and they plop you in a metal casket, then you fast forward to 2023. Though this means devoting resources towards making a European city and that might be troublesome for them, especially since said city is just for the prologue/tutorial.
>>3201379I have a better solution - start it on a ship already, have the tutorial right there - "I'm running from the inquisition and shit going down with that whole convention of thorns nonsense". Drain a mortal or two, kill some pirates or whatever, have there be a retainer to explain what the fuck is a ghoul, then lie down in a coffin, storm hits, you go into torpor and it's history.
>>3200407but, c'mon, besides your anti-hivemind posturing, do you actually believe it will be good? eventually, pattern recognition must kick in.
>>3200407>just be optimistic after the previous development team was fired because the game wasn't looking good enough>they showed a cinematic trailer so shut up and get ready to hand over your money again like last time I think a Malkavian would call you crazy.Are you sure you're not just unhappy and angry and looking for an excuse to lash out?
>>3189236Honestly if they bring in the writing chops of Machine for Pigs for this it COULD be good... But I honestly personally don't have much hope, but that is something to consider. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpPnmkkaDw
>>3201541This was an alpha trailer, not a cinematic one, except maybe that one bit of Lou at the end. They already used up their cinematic trailer budget on the first one.>>3201595Dan Pinchbeck isn't writing this and has already left the company. Imelda Reyes and Sebastian Sallow from Hogwarts Legacy are the only solid indications of what the quality will be like.
>>3201651Ah. Then yeah, I don't give a shit. Maybe by some miracle it will be good, but I think I will just do what I did before, which is forget about it and be surprised when it releases.
>>3196343It's not a walking sim or VN if it's got combat and RPG leveling.
>>3201390That's just the Assassin's Creed 3 tutorial and it was too short and irrelevant. Just plop him in a warehouse somewhere in Seattle and that's the tutorial.
>>3190702Because snow and winter is associated with death, because snow allows them to reuse assets without it being immediately obvious, because it's set during Christmas and snow is an immediate visual reminder of that, etc.
>>3202413>Because snow and winter is associated with deathYet pic related looks festive and cozy the opposite of what you'd want in a vampire game
>>3202755Not that anon, but it can work if the developers use that coziness to make all the horrific things feel even worse.
>>3189236Only oldfags know how awful these guys are
>>3202904It would feel disjointed and not atmospheric at all especially when they say there's barely any NPCs because of the snow stormhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVNzkC1cDF4
I can't wait for Bloodlines 2 to release and have its models ripped...for reasons.
>>3189235>>3189236Remember when the EVE guys were doing a VtM game? It looked better than this and that was like 10 years ago.
>>3205314sorry bro but they changed her model
>>3205394>>3205314You just know they're going to make the women fat and ugly because some pozzed diversity hire NEEDS to cram their politics into this game. Gamergate was just the start it's only been deteriorating since then, if this continues we'll be stuck with games from the 00s until Russia turns the tide.
>>3205976Not so subtle are we, vatnig?
>>3205976I agree that the new face is worse and there'll be no booba but you zigger subhuman should kys ASAP
>>3189235Aren't The Chinese Room supposed to be awful devs?
>>3206021>>3206434Cringe
>>3190213It's a cheap way to add a character. No need for a model, animations, lip-syncing, cinematics etc. Just need a voice actor. Maybe not even that.
>>3189780i think you're right. Lasombra is the new hot shit edgy clan making moves in the cam, meanwhile Gangrel wasn't even in the original Bloodlines 2 announcement.
>>3192704>People who didn't even exist when Vampire Bloodlines came out People who weren't even born when Half-Life 2 and San Andreas came out literally aren't real.https://youtu.be/JKqV_ybCS-I(add &fmt=18 for better quality)
Any of those visual novels and shit that they released worth looking into? I know one has a character from VTM Redemption but I doubt there's any real connections to bloodlines 2.
>>3207293I haven't played it but I know Ecaterina or someone posing as her is a character in Shadows of New York. Bloodlines characters are vaguely mentioned in Night Road by the local prince and I think that is it.Night Road, Parliament of Knives and Out for Blood are very good. Can't really recommend anything else.
What are the chances vampires are real and the Camarilla sabotaged the original version of the sequel?
>>3207707(((vampires))) were always real
>>3197299Pretty sure this bitch >>3205314 and Ryong would be romanceable option if romance is in the game.
>>3207707The website for vtm:redemption was pretending to be created by vampires who were upset that the release of the game was spoiling the masquerade by revealing all their secrets
>>3207737Correct. As are demons.>verification not required
>>3190213The narrative needs at least one character that the player can't kill easily, and devs know that making a normal NPC unkillable will trigger mass spergouts online.
>>3206021>>3206434Just because I dislike forced diversity in my games doesn't mean I have to be a "vatnig" plenty of gamers share my opinion. Are you invading from /k/ or is this part of the oinkrainian internet offensive? Even /chug/ has been getting spammed lately.
3208340not even worth replying you subhuman try harder next time
>>3190528there is blood magic that can lower your generation, I imagine Caine can pretty much just do whatever when it comes to your generation
>>3208293What happened to Elysiums?
>>3190213Among designers, it is broadly accepted that the typical player requires constant direction and help. Younger players also start to feel lonely and sad unless they have a companion in their ear at all times.
>>3209942Please say sike.
If the player character is an elder, shouldn't he be fucking off to the Middle East now?>>3209408considering all the real world shit exists in current Vampire, Elysiums are probably burned down by roided cops being manipulated by glowies and/or other licks.
>>3210045About which part?
>>3190213It's an inner monologue simulator for NPCs with no thoughts of their own
>>3210045I mean, look at the current state of the industry. Do you see any evidence to refute what he’s saying?
>>3210575>he
>>3189542You mean the clearly pre-rendered trailer?You already fell for the fake gameplay trailer for Cyberpunk.
>>3210852It said right there at the beginning it's "post alpha" footage. If it was faked, it would have looked a lot better than it did because it still looks janky.
>https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/welcome-to-the-chinese-roomThoughts?
>>3205314Is the hot tremere girl still on the game?
>>3197114>preset female protagonist instead of character creation?Have they revealed you are a pe-made character and clan? The hands looks manish and we we see different disciplines so far like Clerity 10 page muda,Potence slam and even Thaumaturgy
>>3207707Yeah and Joe biden is a ghoul being controlled by a Ventrue behind his big corpo company to fight against the Sabbat sects. Any other schizo theory you got in your retarded little brain?
>>3211551
>>3189300>Damsel would be denounced as woke today,She's an annoying prick, nobody is like that, and she says sorry for being annoying. She's more of a bloody anime character than she was a woke characters
>>3189765Why post about a game, recommend a game, and then post an image of something else. I thought Night Roads was using that art style and I was excited, then I saw it looked like this and was disappointed.It's just false advertising, even if it's only implied.
>>3207707If you talk to Mercurio at the endgame he stright up tells you as much.
>>3211551I know sarcasm is hard to pick up on through text, but you're really taking it to new levels.
>>3211348>taking a big leap forward into the action role-playing>A compelling and rich plot you’d expect from an adventure game, but with RPG agency allowing you to act out your vampire fantasy.RPG is taking a backseat on this one this doesn't sound good>the bit about combatThat sounded good but I hope combat is only optional If I want to get around a group of enemies without alerting them then give me that option in Dishonored you could do stealthy non lethal play throughs>Neo-Noir thriller storySounds interesting but I'll miss the gothic vibe and I hope it won't be too serious all the time the charm of the original is part what made it so good
>>3211348So no lockpicking or sneaking into the window?
>>3211348it's just going to be cyberpunk: vtm edition innit
>>3211348I get the feeling they don't quite get the whole pretend not to be a vampire thing, you know, the masquerade bit
>>3212492ya
Bloodlines 1 is almost as bad as Arcanum, has an incredibly overblown reputation, and the only good things in it that are even remotely worth playing it for are the writing and voice acting. Every single aspect of gameplay is so throughly mediocre or just bad that it's painful to play.People feel such immense nostalgia for it because it's essentially the only 3D RPG where you can play as a vampire. Strip away the 3D requirement and literal CYOA games like Parliment of Knives/Night Road do World of Darkness better.You may not like hearing this but you know on some level its true.
>>3212514>and the only good things in it that are even remotely worth playing it for are the writing and voice acting.The speaking/facial animations might also be close enough for that list (since you included Voices).Very few games put as much effort as VTMB did for those>People feel such immense nostalgia for it because it's essentially the only 3D RPG where you can play as a vampire. Strip away the 3D requirement and literal CYOA games like Parliment of Knives/Night Road do World of Darkness better.Eh, I feel even with how bad it was the combat and use of Disciplines were also important.The versatility in violence & conversation is very important to WoD
>>3189235dont care, not playing it.
>>3189300Damsel wasn't woke, in fact she was quite racist and sexist.
>>3189300The politics in VtMB were timeless authoritarian vs anarchist, working class vs ruling class, etc dichotomies.Politics in games today take the shape of tranny shit, massive disproportionate amounts of gay character who's favorite topic is talking about how they're gay. Casts deliberately made to avoid containing traditionally masculine men and feminine women, practically gaslighting you into thinking that it isn't strange. It really is all just gaslighting.
>>3212787The (((ruling class))) realized about 15 years ago that they could easily buy off the left with identity politics bullshit, and now they're obedient little useful idiots. Sad.
>>3212706She also stright up says that comminism doesn't work with humans.
>>3205376and how did that game turn out exactly?
>>3212706Damn brat made for correction
>>3213069 hehe, we all know it, mesugaki brat, I looked at her erotic body so many times.
>>3212904Entire project was scrapped.
>>3189286I was too until I played CONTROL last year.
>>3211573night road is text only, with only a few portraits of characters for in game visuals, use your imagination for any artstyle you want
>>3212514>People feel such immense nostalgia for it because it's essentially the only 3D RPG where you can play as a vampire.You sound like someone who's envious of other people having enjoyed a thing more than you did. For me it's about the writing, the characters, the atmosphere. The vampire stuff I can take or leave. Most other RPGs bore me to tears; the more of them I try to play, the more I realise that it's like that on purpose, because autists seem to love this kind of inane high fantasy shit.
>>3190303Assuming that is Caine if he wanted to help you he is capable of anything, that is how Caine works.>>3190340Honestly starting as a shovelhead would be great to introduce people with no knowledge of the setting.>>3208927There are no Assamites in Bloodlines, especially no assamite sorcerers.However Caine, if it is the real Caine does have access to plot device, which basically is whatever you want it happens.
>>3189741Banu Haqim is going to be in since they share Blood Sorcery with the Tremere. They just need that, and Celerity and Obfuscate and boom. Playable Banu Haqim.
