>Always focused on strength and constitution in every RPG's when managing my skill points since I'm always hesitant of getting one shotted in combat>Apparently I only have to focus on wisdom and charisma when it comes to this gamelol wut?
>>2982819Because combat isn't really the focus.Getting XP is tied to Wisdom.Lots of dialogue choices and options that are greatly benefitia/interesting/funl are tied to intelligence and wisdom.Constitution is still handy, just not excessively so.
This game actually wants you to die, multiple times, and it's counter productive to what most games want you to do, which is one of the more annoying and not interesting things about it.
>>2982819There's nothing wrong with focusing on strength and constitution in PS:T. Constitution in particular is very handy. There are a whole lot of choices and options tied to wisdom, though, and some of them are impactful enough that it's easily the most "important" stat in the game. I suspect that the developers wanted to make sure the stat had some sort of purpose even though you can't play as a cleric and ended up over-compensating.Intelligence also has some decent options tied to it, while I don't recall charisma being used for much. That said, there's more than one way to play through the game, and you shouldn't feel pressured to conform to some sort of optimal build or playthrough. Making your own choices and dealing with the consequences is part of the fun.
>>2982843>which is one of the more annoying and not interesting things about it.Giga retard take. The idea that death is not the end and actually ties into narrative, dialogue and such is one of the most interesting and unique things about it.In fact, the entire game hinges on the immortality to even work, making it such a highly regarded cult classic in the first place.
>>2982858>while I don't recall charisma being used for muchCharisma is tied to the only non-evil ending where TNO survives AND his companions don't die. You need 25 CHA to pull it off, if I remember correctly.
>>2982917Also a high Strength is a must if you intend to play a truly Evil TNO, since it unlocks a surprisingly large number of conversation options, though the vast majority of those are evil.
>>2982819The Mage class together with INT,WIS,CHA are the bread and butter of PST
>>2982819The game gives you infinite respawns like is Souls games, except it doesn't even take xp to revive, so getting one-shotted literally doesn't matter.
>>2982930>so getting one-shotted literally doesn't matterThe more times you are killed, the more Shadows are spawned in the Fortress, and the stronger their stats are. It IS possible to fuck yourself over, and end up with a swarm of dragon-tier Shadows.Also from a storytelling perspective, each time you die and wake up, someone else dies for real in your place. So if you're playing a morally good character, once you find that out with your attitude, your TNO should unironically kill himself with the Blade.
>>2982819strength and constitution are mostly combat statsthe game hands you enough shit to steamroll combat as any character archetypeyou could invest in strength and constitution and then grind on the abishais in hive and max out wisdom,charisma and intelligencethe game doesn't have a level cap and at the end of the game they just dump experience on you so you can max out the rest of your stats.
>>2982937>strength and constitution are mostly combat statsWrong. Strength unlock much more dialogue options than Dexterity, contrary to popular opinions - only most of those are Evil options.
>>2982944Not really a fair comparison since dexterity is the dump stat of the game.
>>2982948Dexterity ISN'T the dump stat for a Chaotic character, since it unlocks the most dialogue options for them, as well as some dialogue options when you are a Thief.
>>2982950>>2982948In terms of dialogue options, it goes:>Constitution - Dump Stat>Dexterity - good if Chaotic/Thief, otherwise least conversation options>Strength - VERY good if playing Evil, otherwise dump stat>Intelligence - good, VERY good if playing Evil>Charisma - good, VERY good if playing Good>Wisdom - necessary
>>2982953Also also, if you want a real storytelling challenge, try playing the game so that you get LAWFUL EVIL as soon as possible, and never let it shift. Good luck. It's, bar none, the most difficult alignment.
high strength build is by far the easiest get through the game. 19-20 str. Makes grinding really fast for wis int.
>>2982971STR build is best imo, BUT MAKE SURE you don't level str past 18 until you get the +1 bonus at fighter level 7. It will skip from 18-19 and then you don't have to waste points on each level of exceptional strength.
>>2982819Because PST is not a real game, it's a book. Character building, engaging encounters and other important aspects of CRPGs are not present. You play one way to maximize your shitty YA novel dialogue choices and treat the game like a clunky VN.
2e was garbage and I can't get around how awful it is to play the golden age of D&D games.
>>2983041wrong
>>2982917>where TNO survives AND his companions don't die.Which can be a bit of a bad thing when taken together. Poor Grace.
>>2982843>It's not like every other game which makes it uninterestingAre you fucking with me?
>>2982819I have played pretty much every crpg ever made but could never finish this one.Holy fucking christ what a boring ass game.
>>2982917>>2983070>Charisma is tied to the only non-evil ending where TNO survives AND his companions don't die.Thats load of made up bullshit tho.Your companions dont die in most endings.TNO survives in most endings.You only need high CHA to avoid the end-combat and make whatshisname fuse with TNO from the get go.Why would you even lie as about something as obvious as this?
>>2984508Ignore him.Hes a retard who doesnt like something simply for the sake of it being popular so he comes up with this weird rationalizations as to why its ""objectively bad"" instead of just saying "I dun like it".
>>2984623If you have a high enough Charisma, you can lie to the Transcendent One that the Shadows have broken lose, and have him leave you to check on it. Then you can resurrect your companions, he comes back, and you go through with the Evil Ending. It's the only way for you not to end in Hell/cease to exist AND have your companions survive.Maybe play the game, instead of relying on wikis and walkthroughs.
>>2984623>TNO survives in most endings.LOL>Cremated by the Dustmen.>Annihilated by the Lord of Bones.>Will yourself out of existence when confronting the Transcendent One.>Get absorbed by the Practical Incarnation.>Obliterate yourself with the sword.>Reunite with your mortality and go to Hell.As opposed to:>Destroy your mortality and remain immortal.In what world is that "TNO survives in most endings"?
>Maybe play the game, instead of relying on wikis and walkthroughs.Maybe you should instead because the game clearly went over your room-temp-IQ.>Your companions get raised anyway you mongoloid.>the only way for you not to end in Hell/cease to existGoing to fight in The Blood War IS the good ending. TNO takes responsibility for selling his soul in exchange power/sparing his people. It ends on a hopeful note that eventually he will reunite with his companions. Seeing as he literally bested Devas, Devils, Demons and a Nighthag with near-divine power AND flipped the Lady of Pain off AND lived to tell the tale surviving the Blood War will be a piece of cake for him. >>2984630>In what world is that "TNO survives in most endings"?In a world where you dont need 24 CHA to get past any of those endings.>Destroy your mortality and remain immortal.Is a bad ending. TNO hasnt learned shit and continues his cycle of forgetting things when he "dies" and his immortality coming at the cost of sacrificing the people around him who will continue to be killed by shadows for the cost of his immortality. The Transcendent One did not create the shadows, he just kept pointing them in the right direction. No wonder you retards mislead OP, you literally missed the point of the game and the ending. The whole parable went completely past you.
>>2984669>He survived in most endings!>Lists all the endings where TNO doesn't survive.>That's a bad ending!1. You're changing the topic. You claimed he survives in most endings. I proved to you he doesn't.2. Also, you are wrong. The Practical Incarnation developed a ritual which would stop him from losing his memories upon dying, however he discovered that the ritual will only take effect three reincarnations later (Rule of Three). Hence why he concocted the whole scheme to trap himself inside the Fortress and lead you to it, so that he could then take over. So no, in the "Evil Ending" you don't continue the cycle of losing your memories.Also:>Your companions get raised anyway you mongoloid.Only in the ending where you go to Hell.Once again, play the game instead of reading wikis and watching YouTube snippets.
>>2984685>>He survived in most endings!>>Lists all the endings where TNO doesn't survive.>>That's a bad ending!Yeah you still havent told me for which of these endings you need 20+CHA to get past.And you wont because you know the answer is "none".>1. You're changing the topic.No.>You claimed he survives in most endings. I proved to you he doesn't.You claimed he needs 20+CHA to get the "best ending" which simply isnt true.Its neither a best ending nor even a good ending to begin with.>Also, you are wrong.No you are because the part with the Shadows still applies. The Practical Incarnation developed a ritual which would stop him from losing his memories upon dying, however he discovered that the ritual will only take effect three reincarnations later (Rule of Three). Hence why he concocted the whole scheme to trap himself inside the Fortress and lead you to it, so that he could then take over. So no, in the "Evil Ending" you don't continue the cycle of losing your memories.Which doesn't change the fact that Shadows come after anyone close to you as price for your "deaths". >Only in the ending where you go to Hell. You mean in the True ending? The only good ending? Like I said? I accept your concession then. And you're also wrong about going to Hell. You go to take your place as a mortal in the Blood War. The Blood War doesn't only take place in Hell or the Abyss. .>Once again, play the game instead of reading wikis and watching YouTube snippets.How about you stop talking out of your ass and accusing others of what you yourself did. Your constant basic-bitch-projection makes you look like an insecure moron when you dont even know how the Blood War operates.
>>2984669Those >>2984630 >>2984627 anons are right. TNO does NOT survive in most endings, and the high Charisma checks is the only way to avoid both being sent to Blood War total annihilation and deaths of your party. >Going to fight in The Blood War IS the good endingEveryone knows that. Point is - the good ending is still TNO dying like a regular person. >surviving the Blood War will be a piece of cake for himNo. He did all that spectacular shit while being immortal. The Good Ending has him die a mortal sinner's death and become a regular petitioner in the Lower Hells. He is Level 1 again, and no longer has the iddqd hax - repeated deaths on the Lower Hells would gradually dissolve him into the plane, and dying outside the Lower Hells is permanent annihilation for him. He's a very wise and learned lvl 1 petitioner though, so it is not inconceivable for him to thrive in the Blood War - still, it's an insanely tough ordeal, not "piece of cake".
>>2984691>You claimed he needs 20+CHA to get the "best ending" which simply isnt true.He didn't though - he specifically said "the only non-evil ending where TNO survives AND his companions don't die". Which is true - it's not the Good ending, but unlike the Good ending, this one doesn't entail TNO dying. Not once did that anon call it "the best ending".
>>2984691>Yeah you still havent told me for which of these endings you need 20+CHA to get past.>And you wont because you know the answer is "none".You cretin, it's several posts above. It's the ending where you bullshit the Transcendent One to leave the room, resurrect your companions, and then choose to keep your immortality. I never called it the "best" ending, only the one that achieves two goals that no other ending can.
>>2984691>You mean in the True ending?Oh, anon, do I have a nasty piece of news from you. Go to Ribald's shop in Baldur's Gate II, go to Deidre, and read the description for Vhailor's Helm or Dakkon's Blade.>This sword was the weapon of choice of the famous githzerai Dak'kon. Dak'kon was killed by a powerful entity while working for a creature known as the 'Nameless One'.>This helmet was worn by a mysterious warrior named Vhailor. The warrior was destroyed while helping a creature known as the 'Nameless One'.Also confirmed by Avellone - the Evil Ending is canon.
>>2984702To answer the obvious question "why" - because being Lawful Evil is the most difficult alignment to keep in the game. Also, the Practical Incarnation was Avellone's favourite one.
>>2984693>and the high Charisma checks is the only way to avoid both being sent to Blood War total annihilation and deaths of your party.Thats not true tho as >>2984685 himself admitted,>Point is - the good ending is still TNO dying like a regular person. uhhh no. You do not necessarily die in the Blood War. In fact, quite a few of both demons/devils and mortals come out of it whole.Many Lower Demons/Devils use it as means of rising through the ranks and then fuck off and do their own thing.>No. He did all that spectacular shit while being immortal. Thats arguable but lets assume that you are right for this argument.>The Good Ending has him die a mortal sinner's death and become a regular petitioner in the Lower Hells. He is Level 1 again, and no longer has the iddqd hax - repeated deaths on the Lower Hells would gradually dissolve him into the plane, and dying outside the Lower Hells is permanent annihilation for him.Thats simply incorrect tho.Hes not a petitioner since hes not dead at the time he joins the Blood War.He joins the war as a mortal.He also isnt "level 1 again".Both Demons and Devils recruit both petitioners and living mortals for the Blood War, mostly by fucking them over.If you join as petitioner your soul dissolves on the lower planes and eventually you get reformed as weak Demon/Devil.If you join as mortal, you MIGHT die and then the same thing happens to your soul as you would have joined as petitioner.None of these "reset" you to Level 1 unless 4th or 5th Edition retconned something Im not aware off.
>>2984702>treating a reference in another game as a canon>treating what a writer said 20 years later as canonIts the Blade Runner Fandom all over again.
>>2982819What need does an immortal have for constitution?
>>2984709>Thats not true tho as >>2984685(You) himself admitted,I said no such thing you claim. You really need to work on your reading comprehension. The anon at >>2984693 is correct. Also, nice job for unintentionally admitting you haven't played the game.The rest of your babbling is a complete lack of understanding of both the game's events and the Planescape setting. Once again, PLAY THE FUCKING GAME instead of reading through wikis and YouTube.
>>2984711>treating a reference in another game as a canonIt's a game in the same setting, by the same company, and the same devs (mostly). One of your party members is literally from Sigil.>treating what a writer said 20 years later as canonHe said it in 2005, not 20 years later. And he was both the Lead Developer and the Lead Writer - it's his game for all intents and purposes.
>>2984717>It's a game in the same setting, by the same company, and the same devs (mostly).>by the same company, and the same devs (mostly).
>>2984718https://gog-games.com/game/planescape_torment_enhanced_edition_gameHere anon, you can download the game for free, play it, and then discuss it using your own knowledge.
>>2984714>Also, nice job for unintentionally admitting you haven't played the game.Are you retarded?>The rest of your babbling is a complete lack of understanding of both the game's events and the Planescape setting. Again, are you retarded?>Once again, PLAY THE FUCKING GAME instead of reading through wikis and YouTube.Im REALLY starting to get feeling that you are really hung up on this projection of yours.Over the years I played through the game at least 4 times.I never once saw a Youtube video neither about the game or the setting.I did however DM a Planescape-Tabletop game.I also own both Planescape-Novels (which were shit) and used to have the Campaign-Boxset.Are you done with your weird insecurities now?>It's a game in the same setting, by the same company, and the same devs (mostly)So you treat references as canon. Thats nice? Good work?I dont.>He said it in 2005, not 20 years later. And he was both the Lead Developer and the Lead Writer - it's his game for all intents and purposes.Okay?
>>2984725I accept your concession.
>>2984721I'm old enough to still have my physical copy around here somewhere, nice projection though.
>>2984721You really need to stop accusing others of what you yourself are doing.Its a bit transparent at this point.Im okay with you not having played the game. I dont mind. Im really happy that we can talk about it.
>>2984726Thats great! I accept yours too!
>>2984726Oh, you that faggot who spewn bullshit and constantly shifts goalposts! Long time no see!
This thread reminds me why I don't engage with the gay sex addicted WRPG lovers
>>2984765What about us non-gay-sex-addicted WRPG lovers?
>>2984766you're fine as long as you denounce RTwP
>>2984767But I love RTWP...
>>2984725How can you claim to have played the game, when you don't even remember basic plot points, like why don't you no longer lose memories when you die, or what the Practical Incarnation was doing, or even Amy of the endings until they were described to you? It's obvious you're looking up information on the Web.
>>2982843>having the main characters background tie directly into the contextual setting of the game world, with game mechanics to both reflect and reinforce this fact, makes it a counter-productive and i enjoyable experience, especially since it’s unlike all the other gamesZoomers, everybody.
>>2984625Much easier it is for the zoomer to preserve its fragile ego by convincing itself of its own bullshit, than it is for the creature to be intellectually honest with itself.
>>2984630Half of those aren't really endings, and if you were counting them you missed a few (like getting SHADOW'd or sitting on a chair). In another game, would you consider dying in some random combat an 'ending'?
>>2984908The point was to show that there's actually only one outcome where TNO survives, instead of, as he claimed, "most of them".
>>2984908Also, those are endings. Just because some of them occur early, you have to actively choose them to occur.
>>2984883Take it easy, anon. Zoomers just want everything to be a non-descript action adventure these days.
>>2984858>How can you claim to have played the gameThere he goes again...I told you, its fine me if you didnt play the game. You dont need to do this whole projection thing.>basic plot pointsBy the way, things that you can miss due to not having high enough INT or WIS do not count as "basic plot points".>or what the Practical Incarnation was doingAnd much of his hijinks are entirely missable so it cant be "basic", can it?>It's obvious you're looking up information on the Web.Its obvious you eat paint while touching yourself.>>2984914>most of them".Right so to prove me wrong you pretend to be retarded and that those totes were actually real legit endings to the game instead of game overs while I was clearly talking about what happens in Carceri.Now you know why I didn't even bother arguing that with you.>there's actually only oneWhich still is incorrect but you really want to die on that hill.>>2984916>Also, those are endings. Well of course you have to argue that now because your whole premise is based on you pretending to be retarded to prove something to someone? Yourself maybe? Which is way I stopped being mad about you after the first two posts because it became self-evident that you're an honest to god retard.I can only imagine how hard your life must be due to you being the way you are.Oh by the way, this is a bit off-topic but the outlandish way you argue reminded me of something: Are you the guy from the Baldurs Gate-Threads who kept arguing autistically that there totally is a canon-party in BG1+2?
>>2984979>Anime + Deflection + Insults + Trying to Find out Who I AmSo you didn't play the game. I rest my case.
>>2985104So I BTFOd you so hard that you plugged your ears with your sausagefingers and outright deny reality? Im flattered I guess...
>>2985236And yet you're so butthurt you feel the constant need to respond. I posted a link above - go ahead and play the game, it's really good.
>>2985243All this time you haven't managed to make a single judgement of character that wasn't based on projecting your actions onto others. For example: You assume that I am mad because you cannot imagine yourself not being mad.You assume someone didn't play the game, because lying about having played this or that game would be something you do or did in the past.You should look up something called "behavioral confirmation effect". You have it to a terminal degree.For anything else, please see >>2984725
>>2984669>surviving the Blood War will be a piece of cake for him. Anon, read this part again. Slowly. Think of what Blood War is, for how long it is going and what it involves.
>>2986025>or how long it is going and what it involves.I know exactly what it is.The blood war is so important that none of the Dukes of Hell nor any of the Demon Princes gives a shit about it.
>>2982858This, wisdom is allIntelligence is also important but it can be boosted by eating the rat tails which are in rich supply, so I think I went WIS 18 / INT 15 and was fine the whole game.I dumped CON and DEX but I think you can still have enough points to raise STR
>>2984767>>2984793Whoever knows and uses the term "RTwP" gotta be a colossal faggot and autistget out more or something
>>2986579after all, the text looks almost the same as UwU
>>2986566Wisdom is also important for more practical reasons as it straight-up nets you additional experience.
>>2986025Do yourself a favor and don't look up 5E.
>>2986583indeed, one of the charms
>>2986585I've completely stopped caring when I've read about the shitshow that 4E was becoming. Indulge me if you wish, but spoiler it for the potential sensitive reader.
>>2986886Blood War ended.
>>2986900
>>2986900who won tho
>>2986913WotC. Loadsa moneh.
>>2986913effectively no one because they coped out with an ongoing cold war situation
>>2986923>cold war situation>demonsthat makes absolutely no sense
>>2982819I am interested in this game. Do I get original or Enhanced Edition?
>>2989339Neither. There are better visual novels.
>>2989340But I want to experience this one. So which one do I get?
>>2989345Wouldn't you like to know, fagget.
>>2989339doesn't matter really, this happens to be the only game where EE isn't strict downgrade
>>2989339I have only played the original (it is very good, would recommend if you don't mind 90s gameplay and graphics), not the "enhanced edition", but I believe that at least this enhanced edition is just a glorified modpack, rater than Baldur's Gate where supposedly they're glorified modpacks plus God-awful fan inserts, changes, and additions.I tried the EEs of BG 1/2 for five seconds because all I wanted was WASD scrolling and the engine to run at greater than 30 FPS and it can't do either of those so I uninstalled and went back to the original versions. If you can find the original version of PS:T I would just play that with a Gibberlings Three fix/tweak pack and play it in higher res like 720 or something.
