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What's your favorite Atelier game? And why is Firis so underrated?
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>>2917697
Firis had the best MC and ost but the alchemy especially endgame was dogshit.
She's also the only one that made really cool stuff with alchemy.
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Mana Khemia
>that doesn't count
Ayesha
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>>2917726
Why wouldn't it count? It's a mainline game numbered A9. Favorite would be either my first game Mana Khemia, or Rorona because it has my husbando in it
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>>2917697
Escha & Logy. Double draw was the most fun alchemist combat mechanic imo, and it was great to hear someone screaming about the sword of alchemy again. Also i feel like the pun on eschatology is underrated

>>2917098
At least theyre going to have a more legitimate excuse going from ryza 2 to ryza 3 (no fi hypercharging ryzas alchemy) than from 1 to 2
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>>2917697
Lydie and Suelle. The MCs are so lovable and play off each other and the other characters well, and the comedic writing is the best in the series because the MCs are allowed to be sarcastic instead of generic boring nice girls. While normally I dread the amount of cutscenes in Atelier games, I didn't skim a single one in this game. Not to mention the tearjerker moments were powerful, because the whole family gets a good amount of screen time, unlike in Ayesha where you don't see Nio until the end, and don't really give a fuck about her because she has almost 0 personality like Ayesha.

Also, it has my favorite alchemy system with the right amount of depth, without being too tedious. For example, they got rid of completely filling out the grid to make high quality items (from Sophie) and the bullshit proficiency system from Firis. I still haven't played Sophie 2, but I hope it expands more on this system. It was also fun messing around with party builds, trying to get the most effective use of follow-up skills + battle mix strategies.

And when you get to the last chapter, there's plenty of challenging end-game stuff to do (still have to beat that Blue Reflection boss on very hard). I spent a good extra 30+ hours on optional content and I'm still not done with it. Very fun game, wish they made a sequel with a mature Lydie and Sue.
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>>2917865
L&S is clearly one of the best Atelier games, both mechanics and writing wise, and it defined the future direction of all non-Ryza Atelier games (what with Lulua and Sophie 2 being pretty much L&S copycats), but I can't help but feel that many of the characters got flanderized, with the most notable example being Liane who's entirely one dimensional and keeps harping about Firis this and Firis that. And Pamela is another one that felt particularly jarring to me, as she was a rather somber character in Sophie, she's been dead for so long she's forgotten how she even died in the first place and just keeps on existing for others' sake, hence her being a sort of mother figure for the whole town, she's always kind and optimistic despite having lost literally everything, whereas in L&S she's just a gag character for ghost jokes. Likewise, the two male party members are largely just the butt of female bullying, which is especially lamentable for Luard, as his arc could've been a lot more interesting. Overall, the writing felt too anime for me, for the lack of a better word, it's very fun if you turn your brain off and just laugh at the silly jokes, but it ultimately held no substance.
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>>2917880
I don't like what they did with Liane either. They made her too one-note. As for Pamela, I'm not sure if it was intentional but what they did with her didn't bother me too much because she reminded me a lot of Arland's Pamela. And you still have a couple of those serious moments where Lydie and Sue ask if they can call her "mom" which was just heartrending.

As for the bullying, I rather like what they did with Mathias. He starts off being a joke character but by the end of his story Lydie and Sue begin to respect him, and even encourage him as he takes the throne. If they actually disliked him, they would have kept mocking him rather than being supportive. It's nice that he went from someone they were suspicious and derisive of, to him becoming someone they warm up to and support in the end.

Alt was a big disappointment, I agree on that. Then again, everything they did with Plachta and Alt could have been interesting, but imo, everything involving the loose plotlines from Sophie was just poorly executed.

>it's very fun if you turn your brain off and just laugh at the silly jokes, but it ultimately held no substance.
The latter part holds true for most Atelier games. At least this one made me laugh, plus had some meaningful moments with the family themes. If you look a little deeper, they really did a lot to stay consistent with that theme, despite the poor execution with some of the characters. Almost every relationship you see is representative of family bonds in some way, even if the characters aren't related and even if they don't state it outright (like Mathias being a big brother figure towards Lydie and Sue). That's more consistent than what I've seen from other Atelier games. I like that you can find some serious character-building moments sprinkled in if you stick with their stories. They're obviously nothing seriously groundbreaking, but still meaningful nonetheless.
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>>2917697
>No immaculate Ryza to start the thread
Pick it up everyone, this one is going to die fast
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>>2917697
Iris 2
Mana Khemia 1
Mana Khemia 2
Escha & Logy

Every other game is either cringe or boring as fuck, with Rorona being the worst game by far.
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>>2917943
>Nonfan recommending the black sheeps
Why just this series in particular do we let you knuckledraggers voice your vomit?
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>>2917946
>has games they like
>AUUUUUUUU I-ITS NOT T-THE REAL ONES, Y-YOUR JUST A BIG FAKER

Kill yourself.
Maybe people like those more because the series is 80% dogshit and outside of the ones with decent combat the games are boring as fuck
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>>2917953
No, you kill yourself. You're just a contrarian fuck who tries to parade the "experimental" entries as if they're the real flavor of the series. You're no better than some grifting alternate shitter.
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>>2917959
>N-NO, Y-YOU KILL YOURSELF
Nice one, sure showed them with that!

If you like the Alchemy first, slice of life, UwU trash that is most of the series, go for it. I don't like the time limit, the combat as an afterthought, and all the cringe characters personally though. The music is always good though.
I prefer the traditional JRPG, adventure first focus of the PS2 era because those games are more fun and more narratively engaging IMO. However the combat of the Dusk series, Especially Escha & Lodgy, make those games pretty fun as well and I enjoyed them. The music is always good too, I always swap the Iris 2 alchemy lab theme in every game with the music packs.

That's why the Arland games are so terrible. They have the MOST cringe characters out of any JRPG I've ever played (Seriously? Esty Dee?) and the combat constantly feels like the game would be more fun if it wasn't there. Plus the music is the worst by a long shot.
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>>2917972
>cringe cringe cringe
>plays the terrible NISA translations
>thinks he's the fucking authority of the series
You're worse than the average secondary. Go dunk yourself in acid.
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>>2917865
My main gripe with Lydie and Suelle is that Sue had nothing special compared to Lydie.
She was the more athletic one but still weak compared to other fighters ingame.
This was pretty obvious when they had the fight and only positive thing Lydie could think of Sue was that eating with her was better...
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Holy shit I just noticed Lila has really fat fingers!
Was she like this in Ryza 1 too?
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Nice argument.
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>>2917989
>she had WOLF hands
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>>2917972
The games you mentioned are fun but atelier is special because its such an atypical jrpg franchise. You sound like an adhd riddled zoomer with how youre shitting on the regular games in the series
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>reach the final area in Ryza 2
>all the monsters run away from you
Kek. It's funnier with the big ones slowly wobbling away.
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>>2917697
>What's your favorite Atelier game?
The one with a male protagonist and less fanservice.
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>>2918141
That's an otome game, actually.
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>>2918141
E&S really made people that want male MCs orphans, they got the taste once but never again.
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>>2918141
it had exactly the fanservice I wanted
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>>2917989
Does Serri have those hands too?
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>>2918156
If anything it showed male MCs are shit for this type of game.
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>>2918325
Oh? What makes you think that?
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>>2917442
>How many points do I need to get on the exam in Atelier Firis to fight Sophie
IIRC 60. Make a 999 quality liquid catalyst for +200 points
>How hard is it to beat her
Not as much as Sophie. Lighting bomb spamming will knockback her into never having a turn.
Sophie with Blitz thunder Defense drain or Void core life steal effects with multi turn Breeze aroma make the fight extremely easy. You wont need 10 turns.
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>>2917989
>Was she like this in Ryza 1 too?
Yes and they agree beautiful
>>2918286
>hands
No. Lila has beast hands while Serri have beast feet
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>>2918141
Man this game so weird and out of pace I dint get how is so good
>Escha route
SOL moe shit + alchemy
>Logy route
Blacksmith JRPG + alchemy
It never felt like an Atelier game aside the fucking timelimit
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>>2918430
>Blacksmith JRPG
That sounds cool
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>still mad I can't buy this on Switch
Patty looks better like this.
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Where do I find more tunes like this?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HRs2ONu5zyg
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>>2918522
Try listening to other Dusk games ost albums.
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>>2918469
Just get a steamdeck.
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How come hardly anyone shills for Shallie?
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>>2918568
Shallie is a Vitagen girl, she belongs to Snake Anon.
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>>2918577
I like her a Lotte.
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>>2918586
Typical Snake Anon. I bet you like her hair colour.
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Is Sophie's tits canonically this big?
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>>2918599
They make her run slower.
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>>2918638
Damn, I thought her backpack was the one responsible for it
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>>2918599
Sophie will always suffer from resting smug face isn't she?
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>>2918530
OK, but Close to the Edge is the only other one I think.
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>>2918599
I M A G I N E
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>>2918659
You would be smug too if you were the second most attractive thing in the universe.
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>>2918720
Who's the first?
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>>2918758
Palmyra. I thought that was obvious so I didn't say.
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>>2917865
Effect level being limited by alchemy level and 3-trait transfer unlocking only at 50 was infinitely more annoying than the proficiency shit. At least I could make some filler items to get the bonuses early in Firis, even if the system itself wasn't a good idea at all. Also the overall synthesis in L&S was absolutely fucking bloated just for the sake of it.
Between the two "safe" post-Firis games, Lulua was much less flawed, but both constantly irked me in some way.
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>>2918663
Composer:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5273169/
https://www.last.fm/music/Yuu+Shimoda
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>>2918568
The game releasing terribly bricked didnt do it any favors. I did hear that shallie dx was pretty good though
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>>2918826
>3-trait transfer unlocking only at 50
Are you serious? It's this way because you're never meant to synthesize without a catalyst.
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>>2918848
Meaning you're limited to a selection of +1-2 trait catalysts for important items until late game, which is a pain in the ass. I wouldn't complain if it was at least lv40.
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>>2918860
You can start duping rubies by chapter 6 IIRC and that's the best catalyst in the game, 3 traits, 1 extra copy, huge grid etc. I used it for everything.
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>>2918826
>Effect level being limited by alchemy level and 3-trait transfer unlocking only at 50 was infinitely more annoying than the proficiency shit
Worst part was you wont ever get more than 3 traits. Otherwise I wouldnt have complained about the system. Suffering proficiency and catalysts in order to get 6 traits doesnt sound that bad
>Lulua was much less flawed
TP system was the only thing I didnt like about her system. Again, being able to get as much of trait as I could TP afford would have been make tolerable. But its a nightmare past midgame. You would need about 3
25-30 synthesis in order to get a perfect "S" item this way
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>>2919026
>fuck TP fuck trait limit fuck--
What, do you guys just want the game to be broken?
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>>2919029
Just to add, I know you still can break it on the long run, but at least with a system in place it isn't *immediately* broken.
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>>2917731
Kekmia county, but es tha gamu tht runied boys Favoer wig Voyne who'es a BITCH und Raze/Roze who'es demanded lik uh bitch.
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>>2919029
>muh dont complain
I bet you beat Schwartz Vogel on Legendary without any guide
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This site needs to ban phone posters.
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>>2918577
Glad I played this on PS3 then, Vita owners are mentally ill
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Thoughts?
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>>2919105
Patty and the new characters are unnecessary.
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>>2919105
Ryza has some strong legs.
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>>2919105
Brown girl feels out of place, maybe it's the hair but she looks like an NPC
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>>2919101
What did they ever do to you?
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>>2919119
Be weirdos, I was in a discord group for vita owners and after a few days one sent me pripara porn and someone else thought I was a girl so he tried doing the "tis an awesome thing to see a girl online" schtick.
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>>2919121
>was in a discord group
You only had yourself to blame.
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>>2919122
Vitagen was the same way anon
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>>2919125
I agree that vitagen kinda sucks, but vg is pretty shit in general. I imagine people would be behaved if these threads were there, but 1int poster would probably be able to roam free.

>>2918463
Blacksmiith of the sand kingdom is a blacksmiith rpg. Its a bit simple though. Vita has edo blacksmiith, but it's only in jp
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>>2919137
>Row Row Roow ur boat Astridsneed babble
Go bak ta getting rapped, sterk.
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>>2919121
You sound gay.
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>>2919148
I am a Vita owner so you might be on to something
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>>2919149
Sadly even a vita can't cure you against being homo.
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I want to marry Ayesha.
After I finish the Dusk trilogy which would be a good atelier to go to next?
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>>2919151
>>2919149
Fellas plz. Handheld atelier in harmony.
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>>2919155
Arland or Mysterious series.
Depends if you like time constraints and not seeing everything in one playthrough.
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>>2919187
I'd say go play Arland first. Hard to go back starting from Mysterious.
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>>2919046
>>2919132
>>2919137
Mods delete this shitposter already.
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>>2919029
TP did nothing but force you to prepare more materials on the side with a bunch of TP+ traits to transfer the same shit that used to be free. Just pointless tedium.
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>>2919105
This is a nice PS3 game.
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I hate this shrimp.
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>>2919121
>pripara porn
Of who? This is important to know just how weird they are.
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>>2919294
What's the point of Clifford?
Patricia is there because Tao needs some pussy but what's the point of Clifford?
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>>2919105
I'm glad this is the last we'll see of Toridamono at least for a while. S-surely they can't get an even worse character designer next trilogy.
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>>2918827
There is a name for the genre I'm looking for.
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>>2919331
The next MC will be sexy for sure, I'm just not sure what kind of sexy, too many artists to try a guess.
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>>2919322
He's there to be the based bro character.
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>>2919331
>at least for a while
Maybe even longer, considering Toridamono wants to take a break from art after Ryza 3
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>>2919409
I'm guessing Ryza 4 will come after the next trilogy ends rather than in the middle like it happened with Sophie 2.
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>>2919419
There won't be a Ryza 4, they said multiple times this is the last Ryza game. Stop baiting this argument already.
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>>2919444
kek
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>>2919444
Delusional anon.
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>>2919444
Yeah they also said they were taken aback at the reception to thighza and romy.
Shocker: developers (publishers) lie.
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>>2919458
Romy? The shopkeeper?
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>>2919486
yeah. She was just a generic shopkeeper in the first game but she got her own model in the second I think.
She had plenty of events in 2 too
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I am here to make a formal apology to Totooria Helmod, as I complained in the first couple of hours that your adventures were unfun. After spending ten hours in such adventures, I have seem that light of how amazing you are.
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Who spiked Mimi's drink again?
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>>2919545
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>>2919488
She has unique model even in 1 I think.

>>2919545
Totori's the cutest.
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>>2917697
you think I've played any one but ryza?
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>>2919331
We could get that awful artist from Fire Emblem Three houses since they worked with KT on that game.

>>2919315
The incest twins
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>>2919767
>We could get that awful artist from Fire Emblem Three houses since they worked with KT on that game.
That artist isn't even bad when you just look at his technical detail, he has skill but always chooses the worst color palettes.
If he gets the next trilogy people are going to miss Toridamono quick lmao
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>>2919767
If rumors are true and Gust really helped with new FE game then probability is quite high for sure.

>>2919801
>he
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>>2919801
Wait I just woke up and thought you were talking about Engage.
Three Houses is kinda plain imo, it's true that eveybody has a distinct face which appeals to some western fans but that's not enough to make someone's art appealing for me.
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>>2919591
>She has unique model even in 1 I think.
I see you never played Lulua, it's just the generic merchant girl that's everywhere in Lulua.
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Next trilogy better give us real Pamela again. It just isn't the same when both she and Hagel are missing.
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>>2919294
Why? Hes cool
>>2919322
>highest Dex after Ryza
>good support
>sanest/most rational character
>gentleman who helped Ryza in exchange for nothing
>his hobby is literally covered by games new mechanics
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>>2919862
>>2919591
Romy literally appears on Lulua on Ar Hollow café
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I'm planting seeds in Ryza 2.
If I give the seeds the DLC traits, will they just make the harvest traits DLC traits or will they still give the lower level ones?
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>>2917697
Sophie's games.
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>>2920218
>I'm planting seeds in Ryza
Go on...
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>>2920325
I'd rather plant seeds in Klaudia, honestly.
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>>2920218
>If I give the seeds the DLC traits
Doesnt matter. Only seeds gathering/harvesting effects matter here
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>>2920414
You sure? I decided to make seeds with just DLC traits and I got more variety of them.
The seeds I use previously were just non-DLC ++ traits and I only keep getting Economy Core, Superior Form and Critical Destruction DLC traits and no other DLC traits from them for some reason.
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>>2920320
>E&L Logy design
This is NTR.
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>>2920451
>cucking Escha with Sophie
Cant imagine any better Dusk related activity aside hiring a whole night with Shallotte
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What are some wild story/plot elements in the Atelier series?
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>>2920657
I always liked Totori making a book with a pocket dimension inside it because she thought Lulua’s book was cool
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>>2920657
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>>2920712
I despise americans so much.
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>>2920757
that's australia
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Atelier with Gust-chan as protag when
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>>2920955
seeing Gust drawn by someone who isn't Tsunako feels wrong
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>>2920833
That's just memelation like Esty Dee.
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>>2921033
No, it's semen in Japanese too.
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>>2920790
>what would happen if a british prison tries to be a country?
I hate australians do damn much
>>2920657
Whole Lulua Alchemiriddle plot. She would fucking overpowered on her next games. Her meeting/chasing Pamela through all alchemy dimensions would be kino
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There's this new Atelier-like adult game.
Not as giant as Meltys Quest, but it's something.

https://otomi-games.com/phantom-alchemy-silvias-dynamic-urban-planning/
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>>2921033
It actually sounds like the instructions Paracelsus gives for creating a homunculus, and according to him, human semen is the main ingredient, with human blood as nourishment for the homunculus. Horse manure is just used to keep it warm.
Probably a direct reference to that, not on the level of Esty Dee.
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Is Ryza's alchemy simpler than the other games? I am afraid they will simplify it even further for mass appeal.
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>>2921308
It simpler than Mysterious series but not as Dusk or Arland.
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>>2921308
Basic synthesis is simple but any efficient or minmaxing synthesis borders Lulua or L&S complexity.
Actual essence and upcoming Key system work like catalyst
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>>2917697
Escha and Logy...
despite the fact that it didn't pick up where Ayesha's plot left off I still think it's one of the best Atelier has to offer, also the combat in it feels the most polished out of all Dusk games
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>>2921331
Nah. Ryza is baby tier. It's probably about as complicated as the old Arland games were. I'm not sure what you'd struggle with, as it's so straight forward and easy to get whatever the fuck you want, completely aside of the broken equip crafting.
Lulua is science. I liked it, but it's still the only game where my endgame build took 50 hours to create. And that's probably okay.
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>>2921308
>playing a cute girls doing cute things for the gameplay
do people really

In Ryza 2 they made the game so accessible you don't have to craft at all outside of some story required key items, the normal mode is extremely forgiving and the easy mode is basically god mode. They knew very few were going to bother making fully custom gear and battle items etc.
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>>2921331
this is false and a lie.
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>>2921415
>>2921351
Ryza thighs so fat, the developers made her OP without needing to do anything.
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>>2918568
It’s my favorite so far out of the ones I’ve played
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>>2921553
>just remove her should pad things
Ehhh. It's alright.
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Poor Sophie... Gust always tries to promote her on their twitter account, but she always gets overshadowed by Ryza. Don't get me wrong, she's a qt, but Ryza is beaming with feminine energy.
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>>2921680
Ryza has bigger girl muscles, so to speak.
She is a sex advertisement.
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>>2921415
Yeah otherwise Blue Reflection would have been much more successful
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>>2921694
Thanks to her parents for forcing her doing the farming job
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>>2921680
Still won the popularity poll and got a pointless filler game in spite of that, she's too powerful.
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>>2921680
It's pathetic how they decided to whore out Ryza with unnecessary game segments like this.
I don't mind if they make the protagonist boobs and thighs huge but they don't have to shove it down my throat.
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>>2921808
Ryza is SEX
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>>2921808
Kek. At least it wasn't like the half-assed wet clothes. Only the default outfits having a wet version is dumb.
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>>2921808
Aren't scenes like this loading screens in disguise?
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>>2921890
No, the whole area is loaded at once.
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>>2921808
I've dropped the series entirely because I realized I could just jerk off to hentai of these characters.
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>>2921890
Not in these games. They are alrrady bad optimized
I hope it changes on Ryza 3 open world otherwise you will need a NASA computer
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>>2921907
You don't like the item autism?
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We need more Alchemoms.
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>>2922029
>we
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>>2922029
>wuz
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>>2921913
Should I play Dusk on PC or Swwitch
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>>2922296
Ayesha is better on the Switch, the PC port has too many issues.
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Just finished both Firis and Blue Reflection 1. I was playing them at same time and was a nightmare so I wont do it again
What should I play next? BR2 so I end with all of Blue Reflection games or L%S in order to finish Mysterious series?
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Ryza 3 delayed at least one month
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>>2922923
Mos likely some last minute censorship. I can't help being skeptical in situations like this.
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>>2922923
Most likely Switch optimization issues due to open world, while PS and PC get fucked because muh simultaneous release.

>>2922939
Rent free.
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>>2922923
>"Ryza thighs not big enough please understand."
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>>2922945
Last minute optimisation because they found out last minute which platforms to develop for?
Unlikely. You operate on retarded logic.
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>>2922957
Optimizing a video game is a long process, there's always room for improvement no matter the game or platform.
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>>2922958
It's an old shit platform they figured out a long time ago though.
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>>2922962
Ryza 2 on the Switch took 3 minutes to load everytime I start it.
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>>2922976
So what?
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>>2922977
Compared to Ryza 1 when it instantly loads, means 2 wasn't optimized properly.
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>>2922981
I'm sure it was. Just the shit hardware couldn't handle the attempt of improved graphics.
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I am unsure if I enjoy the games more with or without the time limits. On one hand, the time limit make the management of your activities much more interesting and purposeful, on the other hand, without it, the games are comfier and you can enjoy it longer while experimenting more with the alchemy systems.
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>>2922923
>finale for Ryza
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>>2922986
I used to think I liked time limits more but after replaying rorona, totori, and most of meruru I think I like the games without more. Time limits makes me save scum constantly to be more efficient then I end the game with a whole bunch of extra time and nothing left to do.
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>>2922994
tasty
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>>2922923
>KT and game delay
That's new
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>>2923019
Maybe they learned their lesson from releasing Sophie 2 on the same day as Elden Ring. It's still hitting the oh-so-important end of the fiscal year quarter anyway.
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>>2922986
Yes exactly, it is engaging but the games are shorter and you gamefy the process too much like you said.
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>>2922986
I vastly prefer the games with time limits. The ones without them make a bunch of mechanics redundant to the point I wonder why they're even still in the games like the limited capacity basket when you can just teleport to the atelier to dump everything in the container and back to where you were instantly. Firis was the way to go in how to make the games bigger while still keeping the time limit, they just had to keep refining it instead of throwing it away.
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>>2922986
I prefer without time limit for the reason you gave, I think a decent alternative would be to have time limits for the main quest but post game remove them and let you experiment.
>>2917697
I like Dusk trilogy the most but also MK2.
>And why is Firis so underrated?
Saw a retard that called it the worst Atelier because he stopped just after the exam and refused to continue when people told him it was just the first part because he saw the credits and never do post game stuff
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>>2923041
What do you like the most about Dusk? I've heard complaints the first one has actually a great tone and story but then the other ones goes nowhere. But when I stopped to think about it, I don't play Atelier games for the story.
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>>2922923
I'm so bored that's literally the only game I want this year. I don't like Squareslop
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>>2923666
Play an older game while waiting.
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>>2921415
It's actually annoying me how i'm breezing through hard mode. I feel like i'm being punished for dipping my toes into recipe morphing
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>>2923020
Yeah honestly dodging sharing a release with octopath traveler 2 is probably a smart move all things considered. I was disappointed at first but then I realized march was kind of dead for me anyway so this works out gaming schedule wise
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>>2923666
What about Emblemslop?
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>>2923754
Sophie 2 on the hardest non-NG+ mode can actually get pretty challenging on bosses since you can carry a fairly limited amount of items and alchemy is a lot more involved, so hopefully they carry that over to Ryza 3 rather than keeping it casualized to hell for newfags.
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Just finished Ryza 2 and I don't understand why people say it's a filler game.
It had way more character interaction and side stories than the first game and the battle system was great.
Alchemy was boring shit as in the first game.
Hope they will stay away from turn based combat in then next trilogy.
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>>2924261
>Hope they will stay away from turn based combat in then next trilogy.
What's that supposed to mean, you want action-Atelier?
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>>2924261
I guess the argument is the full reset at the end? No ones goals or motivations really change (besides like patty?), they all just fuck off to what they were doing before this adventure. I'm just playing devil's advocate though, I agree with you
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>>2924261
Ryza is a filler trilogy, safe to skip.
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>>2924261
Ryza's lack of development due to her being shoved into the protagonist spot again without a good idea to justify it. This ignores that other characters like Tao, Lent and Bos do actually develop.
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>>2924261
>Just finished Ryza 2 and I don't understand why people say it's a filler game.
There's literally not a single antagonistic character in the game, the final boss is just a random monster that appears out of nowhere at the last minute. The whole thing is just one huge hangout with your friends, it feels hollow as fuck.
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>>2924600
You described the first game too, though I agree that the sequel recycling its already barren premise is worse.
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>>2924603
>You described the first game too
The first game had plenty of antagonists, the mayor, Bos and his gang, the bug queen and so on. In 2 you just explore a bunch of ruins with your friends, then the game goes "oh wait, we need a boss fight" and throws another bug at you out of nowhere, and that's it.
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>>2924624
1 and 3 have the same Light Novel writer while 2 was done by other people, I would expect 3 to have more going on.
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Which game has the best alchemy system? I don't care about the story (much).
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>>2924715
Max autism is Lulua, no contest, you can absolutely break the game with enough patience and it's super in-depth. BUT there's no puzzle mini-game to it, it's just knowing what to combine, how many times and in what quantities.

If you want the mini-game shit then it has to be a Mysterious game, either Lydie & Suelle or Sophie 2.
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Which Ateliers are udderly Fuggirls like pic related?
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Is it better to have just 3 Rose Bombs and 1 Astronomical Clock on Ryza in 2 because of the retard damage?
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>>2924729
ty anon. I'm autistic but also like the puzzle minigames.
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>>2924850
You will never get grownup Ayesha in an Atelier game.
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>>2924880
Good.
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>>2924880
Who the hell wants an ayesha in her 30s?!
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>>2924923
Him
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>>2924850
Is Nelke even good?
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>>2924923
When I played my first Atelier, I thought generations would pass between apprentices and shit, I thought for example by L&S, Sophie would be a mommy or an old lady, shame they barely change.
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>they still have "coming soon" panels on the 25th anniversary website
Come on KT, give us Salburg DX.
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>>2924935
Not really, it's mediocre management sim with the basic concepts of an atelier game.
Unless you are super big fan of Atelier and just want to see your favorite characters interact in some way, then yea - give it a shot. Otherwise, not really worth it.
Music is good though.
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>>2924935
Only as a bonus chapter in Lydie & Suelle DX. Her own game is a mobile clicker sold for $60 basically.
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>>2924815
Im surprised 3 overflow value attacks wouldnt just brick the game and force a crash
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Why isn't there a line of cute alchemists waiting for my Cum Quality 100 ?
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>>2925182
Damn I missed trying it while playing
The setup would be either island DLC boss or damage sheep on Easy with Astronimical clock + Reverse clock spamming for max stats.
Then 3 Rose bombs maxed out with Polaris essence on everything but the garland effect and triggering the 3 in a row bombs combo
Which traits shoud we need?
Is it worth to add another buff items?
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>>2924777
Lydie & Suelle
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Does somebody have the Ayesha cutscene after year 2 (I think) with the vocal song where she falls asleep on a bench? I tried to find it on youtube but couldn't find it and I overwrote my save before it. I really liked it.
Pic not related
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>>2917697
Stop using the word "underrated" in OP posts.
I'm trying to search for an underrail thread here.
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>>2925787
Are Lydie and Suelle kind of pure but also kind of lewd, and teasing and provoking the player's boner?
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>>2926131
Play their game and you will now
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So I beat Ryza 2 and got the game clear data. Got a question.
If I load the game clear data before the final boss, can I beat the final boss again to make a new Clear Data?
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>>2926207
You should be able to make them with all your current status simply from the diary in the atelier.
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>>2926207
You may do it anytime after clearing the game once
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I bought both Ryza games cheap just now. Also I will install lewd mods and nobody can stop me
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>>2926131
lydie isn't, sue however is very much a msgk
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>>2928061
All medugakis deserve correction rape#
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Thoughts on her design?
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New art by Kishida.
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>>2928459
Nice https://twitter.com/mellco/status/1617465061035085824
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>>2928347
Elegant.
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>>2928459
>>2928468
Vita Anons always instinctively knew she was a BIG girl.
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>>2917697
sell me the game with the most interesting crafting system
i'm in the mood for autistic optimizations, but all i saw in videos/screenshots is incomprehensible to a scrub
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>>2928459
>>2928468
Her rack barely bigger than Piana. You may check in her playermodel though. Even Eva is bustier
>>2928608
>most interesting crafting system
Lulua no contest. Both awaken effect system combined with being able to create items with 20+ uses and traits like power is (max uses count × 15)% and constant items spamming is nuts. No other game compares.
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where the FUCK is Sophie 2's vocal album?
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Is Ryza the first Atelier girl to monopolise the cover on all 3 games?
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Which game has the hardest postgame bosses?
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>>2928827
Lydie & Suelle easily.
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>>2924850
Is Ryza the first Atelier female protag to wear pants?
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>>2929075
Meruru kind of?
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>>2929075
Nope
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>>2929075
*slut shortsvr
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I wanna marry Klaudia.
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>>2924850
>tfw Nelke is far from being that busty in the games
why live?
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>>2929652
She got the same disease as Rorona apparently. Gust doesn’t want us to have big titty waifus.
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>>2929653
They are lolicons. Just look at the original PS3 rorona game.
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>>2929657
Bullshit, if they were lolicons they would have made Rorona 8 years old and put her in an onsen scene or something
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>>2928780
Hope Ryza 3 was better than FE Engage. For Sophie 2 was better than Tiny Tina, Diablo 2 remake and Darktide.
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>>2929942
Don't know why you're comparing those two, but I liked Engage for going back to basics after the edgefest that was 3H.
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>>2929947
Because Engage was involved by Gust.
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>>2929942
What does this has to do with covers? Something about sales?
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>>2929957
And amazon review.
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>>2929949
haven't checked out Engage yet, did they at least get the Gust Sound Team to do the music
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>>2928459
I love Rorona.
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>>2929942
Wasn't Engage censored for the west?
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>>2930019
Text only(Play as moonrune if u know), unlike TMS.
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>>2930020
Didn't they get rid of some romance options as well?
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>>2930028
Only if it is Localized version, also applied on Shota. But does male get sexualized anyway?
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>>2929949
Do we know much Gust was involved?
Like, they did work only on graphics or something?
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>>2930032
Guess I'm not buying it after all. Thanks, anon.
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>>2928459
>Sterk never ever got to fuck this
He knows the struggle.
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>>2930051
Playing Disgaea 7 would be fine if u know moonrunes. It has underboob kots as Generic unit.
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>>2930032
>Only if it is Localized version
Does it means jap rom releases have the full romance rooster?
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>>2930067
Just set your emulator or switch to Japanese.
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>>2930072
Will it have uncensored english text and romance options?
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Is this Japan only?
https://shop.koeitecmo.com/product/atelier25th_newg/
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>>2930081
mod it yourself.
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Are the old-school Ateliers worth playing?
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>>2930082
Probably, I can't remember ever being able to buy from them without a courier.
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>>2930082
https://twitter.com/AmiAmi_English/status/1615912640987168770

Some of them
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>>2930082
Finally a real life Craft
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>>2930109
Marie is basically a Zelda 1 style game, very vague, few words, hard to know what the game wants you to do.
I heard the third game Salburg game (Lilie) strikes a better balance, there also the two Grannad games (Judie and Viorate) but all these three are JP-only for now.

There's also the ""Atelier"" games, Iris trilogy and Mana Khemia duology, but those are Tales-lite and Persona-lite respectively, nothing like the early games or modern games, which can be a positive or negative depending if you entered Atelier via the modern games or not, or if you're open to trying a completely unrelated style of JRPG.
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>>2930222
So Rorona is the true Atelier 1 ?
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>>2930264

Maybe Totori is the real Atelier 1, since OG Rorona doesn't play like the rest of the Arland trilogy, and nowadays the only version you can get is Rorona Plus.
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>>2930378
What the fuck
Tell me the tales of OG Rorona.
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>>2930389
Developed by lolicons.
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Imagine using the hanging parts of Shallie’s hat as handle bars as you ram her from behind
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>>2930428
How come Shallistera is so ejaculating despite her plain outfit?
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>>2930605
she is a perfect rendition of the (real) girl next door archetype.
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>>2930611
yes
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>>2930428
>>2930626
You can also grab her energetic blobs of shor t stubby hair from behind. She is very energetic and good for sex.
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>>2930760
jannies look like THIS?
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Are there any Atelier games with an actual coherent plot?
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>>2930775
By "coherent" you mean edgy?
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>>2930777
No, as in the main plot wasn't introduced in the middle of the game, kind of coherent.
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>>2930777
Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" is set entirely in a civil setting of British XIX century upper-class, with pretty much all of the events in the story concerning familial and public relationships, a young lady's education, marriage arrangement, land property, rent, courtship and detailes of everyday country life - so basically just "cute girls doing cute things", but not made by coomers for coomers.

Thing is - "Pride and Prejudice" has a coherent plot, in that the events that happen in the novel have reasonable connection with the setting, character motivations and each other, with cause following effect, demonstrating the laws and realities of the portrayed reality, character traits and their development, all joined into a singular story parts of which do not contradict or get in the way of each other. All while the edgiest thing in the entire novel being a young maid's attempt at elopement with a dashing dude.

I think that's what the anon meant by "coherent plot", and what is usually meant by this typical criticism of the series.
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>>2930789
>bringing up pride and prejudice
So pretentious, this is still a drama, just not a flashy Star Wars-level one, Atelier is aiming for something completely different, people that just want to unload and relax while doing alchemy autism, if you want to call that "coomer" whatever, but it's the same as asking a fish why it doesn't become a bird.
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>>2930780
all of them.
ryza 2: find out what this fairy looking thing is
sophie 2: lol dream adventures
ryza 1: lol adventures
lulua: travel and meet cool people also this magic book is neat
suelle: become the very best
firis: lol adventures and an exam i guess
sophie: restore this books memories
shallie: sure is dry around here...
escha: sure is dry around here...
ayesha: find muh sister and sure is dry around here...
meruru: muh kingdom
totori: mi mum
rorona: try not to get fondled (fail)
thats as far back as iv gone so far. playing mana khemia as i type this.
or by plot do you specifically mean some big bad to beat up?
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>>2930775
>>2930780
Shallie and Lulua since Alchemyriddle IS the plot
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>>2930797
Sophie is the definition of meandering. Restoring Plachta's memories is done through arbitrary actions and the villain and world-ending stakes are shoved in at the last second.
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>>2930816
Mate, Rorona doesn't even have a real villain by the end of the game.
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>>2930820
There doesn't need to be a villain for there to be a coherent plot. Rorona's plot is very simple and coherent. If you're going to bring in a villain and have high stakes, don't just suddenly do it 90% through a SoL story. They even delve into the different philosophies of alchemy except Sophie has nothing to add to the conversation. For another comparison, look at Meruru with the dragon. It also comes up at the end but has no pretense of being anything more than the logical conclusion of Meruru's growth and her will to protect her kingdom. As for contrast, look at Escha & Logy where Flameu is teased the whole game through Clone's storybook and you already know what her deal is by the time you reach the Unexplored Ruins.
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>>2930825
Rorona's is so bare bones that the main conflict can be solved if the right people stopped being lazy fuckwads. Sophie's takes a lot more work. There's also the logic behind reasoning to consider.
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>>2930831
If we're talking logic, the plot in Sophie hinges on Plachta making the dumbest decision on what to turn Luard and herself into after their fight.
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>>2930795
>So pretentious, this is still a drama
Any narrative where characters interact can be stuffed into a stretched definition of "drama" if you try hard enough, but ok.

Antoine De Saint-Exupery's "Wind Sand and Stars" is even less of a drama, but it has a coherent plot and no edgy shit.

>Atelier is aiming for something completely different, people that just want to unload and relax while doing alchemy autism, if you want to call that "coomer" whatever
My point was that a work having a coherent plot has nothing to do with it being "edgy" by any stretch of imagination.

In any case, you can just say "Atelier games doesn't have much coherent plot and that's great because plot is not what's enjoyable about them". You don't have to be a salty defensive faggot about it.
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>>2930840
Logic and drama often butt heads with each other even in our reality.
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>>2930831
>Rorona's is so bare bones that the main conflict can be solved if the right people stopped being lazy fuckwads.
Rorona drew a lot from the early era, just look at Atelier Marie's synopsis:
>Marie is a 19-year-old student in Salburg, a make-believe medieval-style city. She is the worst student in her entire class, and is at the risk of expulsion. However, her teacher offers her a chance at salvation; Marie is given her own workshop (Atelier) in which she is given five years to produce something outstanding.
It's working on gag logic, it's done like that not because it's supposed to be something grand but because they wanted a silly setup.
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Flay teleporting behind me has gotten me every time. its the little things i enjoy.
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>>2930901
Sophie is such a boring fucking game, good God.
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>>2930916
Didn’t mean to reply to >>2930901
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>>2930775
I haven’t played a ton of these games but Totori definitely has a coherent plot, maybe not super intricate but you start with a mystery, rising action, a couple plot twists, a couple climactic boss fights, falling action, and finally one last plot twist right before the credits roll if you played your cards right.
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>>2930920
I hope you don't expect the same for the later games because they lean more into comfy than tragic. Maybe Ayesha comes closer to Totori.
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>>2930940
I’ve played Iris 3 and the 4 Arland games, I didn’t mind the complete lack of plot in Rorona or Meruru so I don’t think I’ll miss it when I pick up a newer trilogy.
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>>2930760
Virgin shalie(black hair) and Chad Shallistra(Green hair) for former's swimsuit is ugly one-piece no one faps with while latter's swimsuit is bikini.
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>>2929075
Marie wore shorts.
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>>2931744
I would definitely play an Atelier Marie remake with Firis like time system where you can KEEP PLAYING after the time limit
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>looking forward to Ryza 3 next month
>delayed
This is ridiculous.
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>>2932079
They are amping up the sex appeal since this is the 4rd time they are whoring her on the front cover.
She is important to sell to all the masturbation Anons.
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>>2932079
The original release date was the same day as Octopath Traveler 2, I guess they realized that was fucking retarded.
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>>2932114
How probably to be leaked?
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there's too many Atelier games. i haven't played one since Rorona on the PS3 but that was slick. none of the new ones have the time limit so they get dropped.

if i had to pick the series back up, what game am i starting with?
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>>2932360
Totori and Meruru still do.
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Kies is such a tsundere
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Imagine how expensive it would be for Gust to sell this kind of costume
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Atelier Iris 3; first Mana-Khemia otherwise.
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>>2932360
You should play any, what makes Atelier special is the crafting, not the time limit. Just choose a trilogy and go.
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>>2933168
Not a real Atelier
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>>2933478
I liked the story and the combat was nice. Escha & Logy would be my other choice.
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>>2933580
I feel bad, I was just trolling you and you responded nicely.



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