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I really dig Black Souls' combat system. Not having to rely on levels/grinding, but only on your gearing, strategy, and skills feels very refreshing in a JRPG
Any other JRPGs that allow this level of pure strategy? Would FFXII NG- or Crystal Project give me a similar feeling?
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>>2848192
Can't think of any that I have tried.
BS2 nearly perfected it imo, even tho most people seem to hate that consumables don't take a turn, I still think it was overall fantastic.
DLC3's final boss took me legit about a week to beat.
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Daughter Alice had the best mushroom forest scene.
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>>2848013
It's a review about why he thought it was so great. It's like talking about why a country is good without talking about the food.
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>>2848367
I'd kinda prefer BS didn't get too popular desu, but I guess it could be good for toro if the games sold even more, maybe as a motivator to keep working on Red's game.
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>>2848481
Black Souls will never get truly popular. It simply isn't possible as an RPGMaker H-game. The only way I can see EMMM's game getting popular he decides to ditch RPGMaker to make a non-porn game. I'd actually dig that, the porn is the weakest aspect of the series, and RPGMaker is limited as an engine
This would allow him to sell his game on Steam. And the word of mouth would let it thrive
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>>2848512
>spoiler
I have never fapped to it but the fact that it exists improves the series ninefold to me. I don't want it to go at all.
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>>2848512
I wouldn't mind a non porn game as long as it's still dark.
And I do like plenty of scenes, like the Hare deepthroat and the mad bird rape.
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>>2848512
May be "weakest", but it's still both integral and elevates it as a game.
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>>2848512
>This would allow him to sell his game on Steam.
I don't know. I think the porn scenes are not the only problem with releasing these games on Steam. He could also imply rape or such things with the story.
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>>2848512
>the porn is the weakest aspect of the series
It's still quite literally a core part of the series though, trying to remove it would completely fuck up a ton of crucial plot elements.
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>>2848512
>no more of this
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>>2848537
>>2848587
>>2848676
I don't deny that. The story is written in such a way that it enhances the H-scenes, and makes them an inseparable part of the BS lore (which can't be said about most plotge)
I was talking about a hypothetical post-BS3 game. There's only so much creative stuff you can do with H-scenes, and I feel that EMMM will likely exhaust it by the end of BS3
They may serve as a sort of a shackle for EMMM's future projects. Their creation takes up valuable time that may be better spent on perfecting the gameplay, the writing, or adding more content. They inhibit sales (which is equal to funding). And they aren't good in and of themselves, only with the aid of BS lore do they gain some value. Plenty of better porn content out there

>>2848560
Yeah, I'd love to see more dark stuff from EMMM. Be it another RPG, a VN, or whatever else the budget allows him to create
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>>2848192
Final Fantasy X allows for a No Sphere Grid challenge, and Mana Khemia also has leveling be entirely in the hands of the player.

>>2848676
Those elements can be kept in, but ultimately the porn is also part of the atmosphere. Most of the sex scenes are either taboo, depressing, or horrific. It feels like the scene with Red in the wagon is the only sex scene that doesn't violate some form of taboo like pedophilia or rape.
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>>2848192
>JRPG
Retard
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>>2849068
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>>2849068
>>2849070
I've seen that one before, it was pretty cool.
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>>2848979
It is made in Japan so it is a JRPG.
Or are you one of those pretentious RPG Codex posters?
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>>2849144
Next you'll say that Dark Souls is a jrpg
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>>2848979
Black Souls is, quite evidently, a JRPG. It's the first time I've seen someone try to deny that

>>2849145
Dark Souls is obviously not a JRPG
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>>2849145
It has no turn-based combat so it is not an rpg.
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I've been wondering about why exactly EMMM chose to reference Black Rock Shooter with Jabberwock. I'm too deep into lorefaggotry to dismiss it as mere coincidence or because 'it looks cool', surely there's a lore reason for it
Black Rock Shooter (the music video) of a girl in despair, longing for the old, peaceful days, who then proceeds to overcome her fear to "move your feet!/ Overtake the world" and "All the courage within me/ Will light a flame/ I won't run anymore". This is also when the titular Black Rock Shooter lights her eye of flame
It makes me wonder if it's going to somehow parallel Jabber's story. We don't know her past, after all, and why she turned evil (or feigned evil for some grand keikaku). I have a distinct feeling that she has some sort of history with Grimm
It could also be that she's just evil for no reason, and the flame is just for decoration, but it doesn't strike me as EMMM's style. Especially given the "My hopes can only take once more to the stars racing through the darkness" line
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>>2849278
For the record, here's the music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLzOrik5YJ8

And here's the full song lyrics:

Black Rock Shooter, where did you go?
Can you hear me?

How much longer should I scream?
How many more tears should I shed?
Enough already, I can't run anymore
The world I once dreamed of is lost

On this dark, crumbling path that never sees the light
I think I saw that hope from back then that never should have existed

But why?

Black Rock Shooter - Wistful memories
Of those simpler, delightful times
But Black Rock Shooter, I can't move
My hopes can only take once more to the stars racing through the darkness

I whisper in a frightened, trembling voice, "Call my name."
I won't reach any farther into the distance,
to the boundaries of the dawn-kissed sky

The tears I've held back are about to overflow
Don't look down now
I come to a halt
I wanted to live in the future, but I get it now, I remember
I believe with all my heart

Black Rock Shooter - This gentle fragrance
It's painful, it breaks my heart, to take in your words
Black Rock Shooter, move your feet!
Overtake the world

I've known from the start that you were here
All the courage within me
Will light a flame
I won't run anymore

Black Rock Shooter, you aren't alone
I don't mind if you cry aloud
Black Rock Shooter, just you watch
This is where my story begins

Should you ever start to forget
I'll sing this song
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>>2849278
smans undertail....
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>>2849278
Jabberwocks glowing eye is actually a referance to Sans from Undertale not Black Rock Shooter
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>>2848512
it's already pretty fucking popular, if you think 4chan is the only place where people talking about it then you are wrong
>spoiler
no
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>>2848512
Weak. Still fap to some BS1 scenes. sometimes red's game too.
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>>2848512
popularity is irrelevant when the ironic weeb crowd already got their slimy hands on it
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>>2849290
Jabbertale….
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>>2848192
This game looks like it was written by and for mentally ill teenage girls.
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>>2849903
>teenage girls love cunny rape
If it wasn't for all those female mangaka drawing exactly that, I would doubt your statement, sir.
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>>2849903
And that's a good thing!
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Was it ever explained why the Fluffy we find at the Duchess mansion transforms into a giant eye at SEN 0?
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>>2849953
>>If it wasn't for all those female mangaka drawing exactly that, I would doubt your statement, sir.
Well yeah, and obviously Japanese girls don't draw themselves getting roped into dark, depressing situations where they get beaten and raped by men just for the sadomasochistic pleasure (though that's an element that's certainly always prevalent), but because it also establishes a strong feminist narrative of women trying to struggle against the patriarchy and failing every single time. The major departure is that this perspective is defeatist rather than optimist, where women exist in a permanent state of learned helplessness and men are constantly depicted as violent mindless brutes.
>>2849972
Jerk off to American McGee some more.
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>>2849991
It's a fake Fluffy. The real Fluffy is now one of the souls inside Grimm.
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>>2850001
Maybe, but I still wonder why it was an eye. I guess it could indicate TCO is always watching us but we already had those SEN 0 monsters for that.
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https://youtu.be/hJqgbaKBWkY
>178k
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>>2850057
and this is the most headcanonish interpretation of the plot imaginable
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>>2850288
Elaborate
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BLACK SOULS REVIEWS?!
I guess good for EMMM he deserves it
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>>2850057
I don't speak cyka.
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I cant Wait for the spin off game bros
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>>2850057
I don't speak Putput.
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>>2849068
>>2849070
Jeanne...
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>/v/ thread asks about yanderes
>no one mentions Jabber or Alice
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>>2850726
Which Alice is a yandere?
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>>2850726
good
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>>2850726
>yandere
>Jabberwock
She's obsessive but she's certainly not a dere
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>>2850988
I don't know what her deal is. I know she twisted Leaf's idea of love and that she is probably the most manipulative being in the game, but I don't know if she "loves you" in her schizo way, like Leaf. Or she is just evil.
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Fuck, kill, marry.
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>>2851038
Fuck fluffy.
Kill Leaf,Alice and Red Hood.
Marry noone because marrige is slavery.
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>>2851038
I'm going to marry Mary! To my fist!
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>>2848192
I see this game on the board a lot.
Is it as good as Pentiment?
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>>2851058
Never heard of Pentiment... If you are interested, the first game revolves more about mystery and the dark theme, whereas imo the second game is 99% about the story and lore.
BS1 kinda starts slow tho, and the art is... not great, I remember not playing it for months because of it.
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>>2851031
My idea of her is that she views you primarily as her creation and feels little to no actual love towards you. Somewhat akin to how Baphomet felt towards Miranda. If she ever stopped liking you as a creation she would just throw you away and attempt to create something new.
Forgot to spoiler the pic, sorry.
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>>2851083
Jabber sees you as her creation? Why? If that's how she saw Leaf I would understand.
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>>2851097
Jabber was the one to give Grimm the covid vaccine making him a undead
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>>2851097
She was the mastermind behind nearly everything and actively revels in turning your soul blacker.
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>>2851097
>Why?
Because she sees herself as the cause of your Black Soul
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>>2851101
Wtf is this true?!?
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>>2851104
>>2851106
So she basically sees herself as the big puppeteer behind everything. I'm glad she's dead.
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>>2851109
Yes...
Thats actuallly why people call her Jabber.
Because she gives the jab.
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>>2851113
lmao
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>>2851111
>dead
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>>2851148
Yes, only Leaf, TCO, and allegedly our daughters survived.
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>>2851253
Kek
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>>2851101
Wait what? No.
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>>2851148
Third time is the charm
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Do you think EMMM will get back into what Red said at the tragic hotel? Now that Grimm possesses Leaf's power of creation, will we see the girls from the first game again?
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>>2851884
Probably, althought it seem that Grimm have more than that now. The question is more of when it seems.
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>>2851111
You can’t kill a corpse. A corpse is already dead!
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>>2851885
Actually, I think it's not certain. Grimm may not be able to control it, or he could go mad due to it, plus losing Red and all that.
Remember that Grimm is basically a mashup of black souls, for all we know he may end up being the final boss of the saga somehow.
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Anyone got download links? Want to check em out.
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>>2851960
Sure
https://pastebin.com/6wGfa5wj
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>>2851962
Thanks, fren.
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>>2848512
>Black Souls will never get truly popular.
And why is this something bad? I'd rather enjoy it and talk about it with some anons than hear about it from normies. They'll just whine if they find something they don't like anyway.
>>2848560
>2nd spoiler
Based JubJub rape enjoyer.
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>>2851038
Fuck Alice, Marry Leaf, Kill the dogfucker.
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>>2851957
Everything is pointing to Grimm regaining his sanity back if anything. Only problem is his body.
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Rif in a bottle.
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>>2851991
let a frog eat her
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>>2851083
>pic related
Man I wish Waifumet had a 2-phases boss fight in Ending D starting with this one..
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>>2851970
I'd rather kill "Alice", since TCO is the worst of the bunch

>>2851986
It is? How?
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Is there a more forgettable girl? I liked her BJ scene but I don't even remember her name.
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>>2852057
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>>2852057
Shisha. Her name is Shisha.
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>>2852061
I thought it was Nisha...
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>>2852055
You played the game and DLC3, no?
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>>2852083
Yeap, got all endings up to H.
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>>2852084
Then you should have noticed that Grimm is notably saner
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>>2852089
I'm really not sure about that. I guess after Lewis gets separated from the rest of the souls in ending G you could say so, but then during the events at the tragic hotel I'd find it hard to defend.
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>>2852091
You do realize that the hotel happen before ending G and that we're not really sure if the timelines merged, yes?
Just read the dialogue, don't be a Dodo.
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>>2852101
Word? Tragic Hotel was DLC1, I thought ending G was already in the base game.
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>>2852266
Yes? I'm just saying that Grimm sounds saner in DLC3.
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>>2851038
>Fuck Red
>Marry Alice
>Kill Leaf
This is the only objectively correct decision.
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>>2852628
That's not Alice.
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>>2852628
>Fuck red Alice
>Marry Alice
>Kill green Alice
ftfy
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Do we know the current status of Red's game? IIRC everything was already done, except for a fuckton of CGs. Will EMMM be able to finish it this year?
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>>2852708
Last I saw where a few pictures of some, maybe all NPCs, including a very very cute nun. And a brief explanation on the mechanics.
There's has been no update on ci-en since then, so unless he posted something somewhere else, I'm clueless.
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>>2852908
>including a very very cute nun
very very cute indeed
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>>2852917
This little pest is everywhere...
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>>2852917
I like my riff flat. But I'll take her, she looks warm and sweet.
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>>2852959
I really like the idea of Leaf coming back in every game in a different but still similar form. Shes just too lovable to be thrown away like some side character.
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>>2853123
I liked her redesign a lot, mainly because of the long hair and potato head.
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>>2853125
Sure, the old Leaf looks a bit goofy the more you look at her.
Goddamn has EMMM improved his art skills over the two games...
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>>2852917
No seriously, WHY DOES SHE LOOK LIKE RIFFU.

>>2852959
She's not flat, she just has tiny tittes.
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>>2853130
>No seriously, WHY DOES SHE LOOK LIKE RIFFU.
Because she obviously is, you think Leaf wouldnt make a cameo in Red's game?
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>>2853133
>you think Leaf wouldnt make a cameo in Red's game?
Yes.
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>>2852917
Knowing Leaf being a very original creator, maybe she took the nun's looks for her human form
Imagine Emerald being a very kind person but Red despises her just for looking like Leaf and when Red finally accepts her she reveals she really was Leaf
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>>2853373
>Deleted
TCO is monitoring the thread anons, be careful.
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>>2853316
That would be pretty good.
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>>2848871
>most of the sex scenes are either taboo, depressing, or horrific
I guess this is technically true but it reads like you are trying to say that there aren't many sex scenes that aren't bad. You can absolutely play Grimm as a nice guy and I feel like the covenant scenes are pretty much all vanilla/romantic.
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>>2853130
She's her twin sister
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>>2849320
I'm curious where do other people talk about it? The only thing I see on youtube is some Polish guy who has 130k views but thats only 1 video. Never seen this game talked about anywhere except 4chan. I guess some of the gameplay/ending videos have 10k views but I wouldnt say that makes it popular.
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>>2853917
What?
Link it
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He's been at it for a while now.
Love this schizo
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>>2853917
russian have like 6 video reviews about it, one of those has 182k views,threads on 2ch,active groups in VK, pretty sure hispanins have something like that as well
VN twitter talks about it sometimes, discord
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>>2853959
There is no spics or brazilians talking about BS anon, none, nada, nothing.

It's a eastern european thingy for some reason, might be related to their fan translation autism and russian culture h-attatchment being exported into them
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>>2853978
>he doesn't know about hispachan
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>>2853978
i have seen hispanics memes and videos about bs, not to mention their fan game
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>>2853983
Ze hell?
Also, a spanish fangame? Wut?
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>>2853986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5szEJ-fJ4Bk
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>>2853986
They exist, I've seen some of their shit.
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>>2853959
Adding on to this, it's rank 7 out of all VN's/RPG on EGS, which is basically japan metacritic
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>>2853987
god I love this image
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First playthrough. What stage is recommended?
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>>2854133
0, doesn't matter since the game difficulty should break in half in like an hour or so if you're relatively competent at RPGs.
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>>2854136
Hansel and Gretel? Not anywhere near an hour, but also a large spike in difficulty.
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>>2853941
Where was this?
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>>2854174
Nah,they are easy, specially if you snatched the Wind God ring at Skeleton Maze entrace
Or ir you leveled Leaf til she got Fairy Dance. Fairy Dance helped me a lot in earlier bosses, speed is key in BS1
>>2854250
Gotel Tower first floor, Lindameme popped out of nowhere and got stuck while chasing me, which is funny cause there were a clear way directly into me, but his pathing got fucked up for some reason.
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>>2854263
Oh right.
Repent, sinner.
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>>2854291
Never.
I mostly sin as a means to piss Lindamane and make him chase me
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Well, Rapunzel is dead, couldn't stop Behemoth soon enough.
A shame though, she looked quite cute, even if some anons said her ring were pure garbage.
Do i lose something by letting/killing the princess or not?
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>>2854263
>Fairy Dance
Got that just before or just after the Hyena (wolf?). Second boss I took out. Feel I'm doing too much back and forth to determine which areas are level appropriate.
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>>2854363
That's part of the charm anon, traveling through areas as you desire, finding secrets and items that can help you out with stuff. You might end with getting into toughnut zones for your current progression, but nothing that can't be solved with a bit of thinkering and rings.

I would recommend you getting Hidden Body spell, it helps you a lot with annoying encounters and high level zone traveling. There is also some funny builds you can adquire by using Bunker Sword and the Guard Ring, that is, if the enemy is a physical attacker
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>>2853978
BS actually has a bunch of BRs who like it. One of them is even translating BS2 to Portuguese. I know because I am a hue
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>>2854400
Caralho!?
Thought i was the only one...
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>>2854405
A friend got me into it and from there I met like 4-5 of his friends who also like it.
Also there's a pisscord with lots of members, and I was there before I got banned for no apparent reason (I did talk in portuguese there for a bit, maybe it was that), found out there were like 5 other BRSs there

We are everywhere.

Uh, anyway, I love Dodo's fat tats.
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>>2854423
>d*scord
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>>2854434
I know, it's kinda shit. I just wanted to talk about the games more and had no idea it was popular in 4chin.
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>>2854382
I have two HP regain rings and cruised through the mine. Recently found the hide spell too. I got turned around a couple times and decided too use it. Good stuff
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>>2854489
Oh yea, half the reason I posted the video. Is there a way to slow down the battle text?
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>>2853790
She dead a long time ago apparently.
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>>2853316
>Knowing Leaf being a very original creator
She isn't though. That's part of the joke.
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The joke is that Leaf is just a very delusional girl thanks to that rotten whore.
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>>2854525
She was able to create Grimm, who makes every other creator cream their pants, so yeah she is.
She is also extremely powerful, as she was able to create and entity of similar power that Azathot. Don't remember her name but it was a boss in the CD.
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>>2854531
We're not talking about powers, we're talking about creations. Grimm, that's the only thing of good quality she ever she created. Everything else? Patchworks of ideas that goes nowhere and that Mabel just take because they are dead. Story? Same thing.

>>2854527
That too.
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>>2854543
>Grimm, that's the only thing of good quality she ever she created.
... Red? Bro did you play the games?
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>>2854550
She never created her, Dodo.
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>>2854531
>spoiler
It was pic related
Description for those who haven't come across her
>The first demonic princess thought up by Mary Sue. She was meant to enter the Lost Empire too, and be the sixth princess, but the god who doesn't know how to hold back made her into an existence stronger than even Cinderella.
>While normally she would focus on sleeping be it day or night, being harmed from outside would cause her to 'Awaken,' making all characters in the Garden vanish as if they were a dream.
Being able to create an ability emulating 'The Idiot,' Mary Sue truly was terrifying. But in the end, the balancing must've been too much of a bother. The princess' fairy-tale was destroyed, and with her role not lasting a page, only her soul was sent away.
Makes one wonder what Grimm could do with that sort of power.
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>>2854554
>what Grimm could do with that sort of power

BOOM baby.
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>>2854553
>She never created her
Nigger, the fuck you on about? Red as we currently know her was 100% created by Mary Sue. RHW was a dry run for BS1.
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>>2854658
Nta, he's reffering to Red being previously a normal girl, Leaf just brainwashed her into becoming Red, she did this too with most of the other girls from BS1
But if we go with this logic Grimm is not a "creation" either since Leaf took people from the real world for him, he is just seen different because making the authors smoothie resulted in a completely new person
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>>2854684
>Leaf just brainwashed her into becoming Red
Red's body must have been altered from being a normal human by the time of RHW, considering you meet her in the Tragic Hotel way down in the fucking ocean and her squaring up against niggermen and demonbeasts small and large.
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>>2854553
I don't remember what game or scene exactly, but I'm pretty sure Leaf did create Red. I think she took someone from the real world (a university?) and basically used her to create Red, in a similar way to how she used plenty of writers to create Grimm.
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Does anyone have the Winter Warrior theme on hand? Pls post if you do, it's been haunting me all day
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>>2855096
Extract it from the filename
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>>2855099
>Winter Warrior[sound=http(...).pngWinter Warrior[sound=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.catbox.moe%2Fbhwnm3.ogg
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>>2855099
>>2855100
That's why I was asking haha
Lain that bitch has been "getting it back right now" for quite a while now
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>>2855096
You mean this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5SIixVdPeA&list=PLi3uMvxO_6BoZ-AoTDrPjeZ9ET3gWSv-e&index=184
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>>2855096
RJ284373 The tenth song, mechanical tears, is the original.
Not exactly what you're looking for but fuck it.
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>>2855117
>>2855123
Big thank
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I feel like I'm not making anymore progress, got ending A, B, and C. I know there's more but I can't find anymore areas to explore
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>>2855252
Did you find
>the underwater area
>the mansion
>the amusement park
>the mental ward
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>>2855254
Yeah I found all of those. Just co clarify is the underwater area the place with the god fish?
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>>2855257
Yes. One more area came to mind, that being the university and clock tower. If you did, you explored pretty much the entirety of base game - now you gotta go for the endings
>ending B
Get all covenants, except for the 4 nightmares. Talk to Node
>ending G
Go NG+. Set SEN to 0. Go straight to Lutwidge Town by fighting the rabbit boss, don't explore before you do
Explore everywhere at 0 SEN. Get the prisoner's ring. Pay attention to snowmen
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>>2855260
Wait, you got ending B already. It's usually harder to get than D and E. Check the requirements for D and E in the game files
I need sleep
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>>2855263
>Check the requirements in the game files
You can do that?
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>>2855263
>>2855277
Never mind I'm fucking retarded and never actually scrolled all the way down despite having opened that file multiple times
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>>2854874
Dodos the lot of you. >>2854684
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>>2855338
If that was the argument they were really going for, it's a stupid one.
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>>2855339
The argument is about if Leaf is a good creator or not, which she isn't. Everything she created before and after Grimm is bad, based on other people's works, or she grew disinterested with and just threw away.

People must have missed the Mary Sue name, or how bonkers her "plot" is if they think she's a good creator. That, or they're simps.
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>>2855363
>The argument is about if Leaf is a good creator or not
The original argument, sure, and I had no part in that. But there was a clear divergence point here
>>2854550
>>2854553
that changed what was being argued about. Saying that Mary didn't create Red is flat out, objectively and demonstrably incorrect. If the argument posted >>2854684 is the logic that was really being used then it's really fucking flawed.
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leaf did nothing wrong.
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>>2855374
Behold, what greenfags don't want you to see.
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>>2855372
Not really. We don't even know if Red was created by Leaf or was just taken and brainwashed
Both interpretation are good to go though.
Amusingly, she does drop a fairy tale, the implication are strange.

>The original argument, sure, and I had no part in that.
Fair fair.
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>>2855387
>Not really. We don't even know if Red was created by Leaf or was just taken and brainwashed
Anon, what exactly do you think Mary does when she's creating actors for her plays? Memory tampering and body alteration are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination, and in fact from what we see in BS1 and BS2 they were often used together by Mary to create actors. How about this, does Red 20 not ring any bells for you? Red essentially calling Mary her mother even if it's in backhanded way in the reverse route? Fuck, anything Mary says to Red in the reverse route, such as pic related?
This isn't something that's in question at all.
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>>2855399
I guess Leaf created Jeanne, Catherine, and Elma too then.
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>>2855403
Yes. And pretty much every other BS1 heroine besides arguably Miranda.
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>>2855407
No you Dodo. She didn't, that's not how it work. It's brainwashing.
Dodo-Mabel-Nazuna.
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>>2855399
and right after that red says that she was created by grimm and not some "mad god" kek
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Leaf created both Red and Grimm, regardless of what methods she may have used.
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>>2855408
>She didn't, that's not how it work.
BS1's books/fairy tales are a direct result of Mary's work. Hell, Node even mentions it offhandedly in BS2 regarding its fairy tale library, which contains several BS1 heroines. Miranda's the only one I'd question Mary actually creating since she doesn't have a fairy tale tied to her, and unlike "Victoria" who we know is the result of horrifying demon experiments and Mary trapping the real Victoria in the white prison for a length of time to copy in BS1, she's tied to Shub at most via the Black Trial and was raised by her as well if I'm remembering their conversations right (no promises on that though, been ages since I've played BS1 fully).
>>2855412
In the metaphorical sense that Grimm made her what she is today, yes. That's the reason why Red risks life and limb for Grimm, because she loves him, hence the intense handholding.
>>2855415
Exactly.
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>>2855412
There's two way it could be taken, it's Grimm, who made her who she is now or it's Grimm, the writer, who made her. I doubt she would know the last one though, but it's the kind of thing EMMM would put just to fuck with us.

>>2855419
That's not how it work, it's brainwashing, not creation. Sure, you can wonder that for certain characters like Dorothy, who apparently may have (had?) a real life counterpart, but not the others.
Not helped with how BS2 introduced Folk tales with Fairy tales.
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>>2855431
>That's not how it work, it's brainwashing, not creation
Brainwashing and constant memory tampering is shown repeatedly to be part of Mary's creation process. If you want a great example of that, just look at Grimm himself in BS1's intro. It's done so the actors actually fucking act out their roles the way they're supposed to.
>Not helped with how BS2 introduced Folk tales with Fairy tales.
The distinction so far is academic, from what we've seen there's no practical differences between the bunch. The three folk tales in the library are all actual historical figures, and from rather different periods in time as well, especially in comparison to the timeframe BS takes place in (~1900). Again though, there's no practical differences that we've seen regarding their function. Elizabeth (late 1500's-early 1600's), Catherine (very late 200's-early 300's) and Jeanne (early 1400's) are no more or less real as heroines or as books than Elma, Dorothy, or Goose are despite the latter being classed as Fairy Tales. Red should fall into the latter category as well, considering her story origin.
Also it's "works", not "work", ESL-sama.
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What are some works/fairy tales you would like to see referenced or used in BS3?
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>>2855578
Shakespeare and Milton. They're already in BS2, but I'd like them to be the focus in BS3. Milton in particular, his works' themes and biography seem like a perfect fit for the series
Apart from those, can't go wrong with Homer/Virgil or Dante
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For those who care, Qo/v/ is over. Midna (Zelda) got 1st place, Hornet (Hollow Knight) second
Alice (MGQ) is 4th. Red & Canada jobbed in round 1
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>>2856183
It's ok, Leaf will always be #1 for me.
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>>2851038
fuck alice, marry alice, kill alice alice alice alice ALICE ALICE
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>>2856183
how will I ever recover
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>>2856298
>184
I was expecting way fewer. Not bad for a niche series.
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>>2856183
It was funny to see Prickett in the qualifications considering she got to elite 8 last year
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>>2854022
Sorry to be spoonfed, but I really wanna see that ranking. I trust you, but number 7? Damn.
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>>2852057
she really just exists as part of dodo's character
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>>2851038
marry red,
fuck leaf,
kill al*ce
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>>2852917
it'd be hilarious if leaf tried disguising as a nun but did it so horribly that red knew and spent the whole game going along with the act before cutting off her head
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>>2854554
yknow, this makes leaf sound more like a game developer more than an author
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>>2854133
its better to increase the difficulty if the game seems too easy for you rather than picking one and sticking with it.

interestingly enough, the second game will actually slowly raise the difficulty automatically. I forget if the first one does, too.
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>>2854333
those anons lied about the ring, but it's too late now
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>>2857217
Here you go anon. Suprisingly enough the only other HRPG with that high of a ranking is Demon Roots, which is getting a translation soon. Though the nips have shit taste in general. I still can't believe Rance X and White Album are as high ranked as they are
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>>2857307
Are White Album and Rance X really that bad? Haven't read WA yet, and Rance is not yet translated, but I heard great things about them
Also, what the fuck is Demon Roots
>no Kara no Shoujo
Kind of disappointing
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>>2857318
Fuck I'm blind, it's cut off at the bottom. Maybe nips aren't so bad after all
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>>2857242
I've fought six or so of the main bosses, but none of the princesses. Felt the game was too easy and bumped the difficulty from 0 to 1. Got absolutely demolished by the Laughing Skeleton boss.
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>>2854333
Rapunzel is and always will be best girl.
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>>2857442
You mean Snow White
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where tf do you get this game
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>>2857651
Buy it on DLSite or ctrl-f pastebin
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BS1 anon here, where i can find Liz right? Searched around the Forest, the Trash Sea, all the below areas in the Elixir Town and Skeleton Maze, yet, no ring to be found
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>>2857318
Nah, Rance X IS kino, it really brought a proper closure to the franchise, and the part 2 is hype af, specially near the end.
The problem lies in the gameplay, i guess, that and the lost potential/cut content we could have had if TADA wasn't a old fuck by the time X came out
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>>2858397
You need to kill a certain fairy in the overworld. She's located in the forest near a certain chest. Teleport to the Forest of the Abandoned, go to the area to the east and to down
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>>2858414
I see, would never thought about getting it from a generic enemy. I know where it is, thanks!
Also, if i reset my sin, would Lindameme stop chasing me or he would remember my past sins?
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Did any {{Male}} cept Lindamea managed to top this dude in the OG BS?
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>>2857385
I remember the Skeleton King or whatever being fucking hard cuz of all the minions, so you were probably just unlucky.
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>>2858463
You'll stop being chased, removing sins (for gameplay purposes, at least) permanently removes them. I think the guy himself says that he'll work things out with the Black Trial for you when you first meet him.
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Hey, can I ask how the speed cap works for BS2 (and BS1, if you're willing)? I heard it exists but I never knew what it actually meant and when it really took effect (well, except for DLC3 cuz I think that those enemies just match your speed.)
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>>2857307
Glad that EMMM is getting the praise he deserves.
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>>2858480
Grimm
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>>2858519
Also, what does acrobatics do?
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Lads...is he ok?
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So....is there any way of doing Snow White Covenant without killing the other princesses?
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>>2858619
____________________________ No
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How does ending G tie into ending H in BS2? They seem incompatible.
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>>2858635
Grand Guignol turns back time for Grimm, bringing him back to TCO's Garden after ending G
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>>2858625
Well, shit
Guess i will be slaughtering the frog neet, giant goldlocks and marine hoe
Cause there is no way in hell i am grinding a companion to lv 99 and or killing Snow White cause she's too cute and the dwarfs are good lads.

Also, do the princesses make a return in BS2 in any capacity?
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>>2858642
No, but you're in luck if you like the princesses. EMMM is going to make a spinoff game focused on them. Out probably 2025 or so
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>>2858642
Make sure to talk to any covenanted princesses you have after slaying Cinderella. They all have at least a little dialogue pertaining to it.
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>>2858642
For me is the marine hoe
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>>2858647
Holy hell, really? That's good to hear, while i know a bit about the "twist" in BS1, ain't much aware of how much of high order all the bullshit will be in the sequel. All in all, the princesses, like Red Hood, didn't looked like they were Fabricated and Altered like the other tales, makes me wonder how their "real" counterparts are.
>>2858667
Anon, i...
>>2858681
Why though? Genuinely asking.
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>>2858690
Yep. After EMMM finishes Red Hood's game, he'll start working on the princesses-themed game. The description makes it sound like a Monster Hunter-inspired game, with hunting and upgrading your gear. He'll also make sure to draw every boss himself instead of buying assets, which is great - his monster design is top notch
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>>2858695
>There is a chance we will be getting THE MOON scene but in a CG totally made by EMMM hands
KINO KINO KINO!
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>>2858408
My main problem with it, is that I actually didn't feel as much closure the more I thought about it. I understand it is near impossible to do so with the amount of characters there were, but I really wanted to know what happened in the end to many characters. You mentioned it yourself I just felt like it had a lot of lost potential/cut content that could have cemented itself into legend status. Still a solid 9/10, but definitely not 99/100. I just hate white album in general as its way to drama filled but thats just my taste.
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>>2858642
Retard bro, getting companions to 100+ is really easy
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>>2858710
But farming souls is such a chore...
If my only options are hunting wonderland bunnies for hours, bursting those annoying enemies at Sabbath or Killing Bandersnatch (my schizo friend and protector of ALICE), then i prefer retrying bosses with retarded strategies.
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This bitch run off with my banked souls, or I need to save her again?
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>>2858721
You have to find her. She's at the end of some swamp like map with like poisonous purple stuff on the ground if I remember right.
Save before you interact with her.
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>>2858723
I know exactly where you're talking about. Sea of Trash. Thanks bro.
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>>2858690
Yeah go talk to snow white after killing Cinderella, its important
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>>2858714
Stand in the middle of that succubus town and fight them
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Happy ending with my wife
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She will be the schizo hag of this game, won't she?
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>>2858957
That title belongs to another, though she only appears (in full) in the sequel
This series needs more hags in general
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>>2858980
no.
you have pm for that. and a lot of other things.
this series should keep being a loli-focused series. there's not that many others left and they'll go extinct soon anyway.
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>>2853580
In BS2, the issue with all the covenants is that you're "cheating" on Alice, with your character expressing discomfort about having sex with others, making plans to stay with others in the event he can't find Alice, to outright being tempted to give up on Alice. In BS1, with the partner scenes, it's fornication, which shouldn't normally matter in an H game, but BS1 stuck in those catholic characters to act as some form of objective morality, and those characters don't think it's right, so I'll say it isn't, too.
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>>2858936
Always hated that picture after i noticed the proportions were a bit fucked up
It looks like one of those caricature portraits
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>>2858995
Variety is good Jubjub rape still makes me diamonds
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Who is she talking to?
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>>2858641
Time got turned back? so the whole lewis and alice-ghost thing didn't happen in H then?
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>>2859333
>so the whole lewis and alice-ghost thing didn't happen in H then?
It most likely didn't happen in H, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen at all, or that it didn't have an effect on whatever happens after BS2. The non-cyclebreaker endings are still shown to have an impact in BS2, timeline merging fuckery is odd like that.
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>>2859313
There's supposed to be Lions in that square
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>>2858690
>Why though? Genuinely asking.
She hot
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>>2854133
I personally grinded while increasing the difficulty because I figured eventually I would hit a wall and I'd be plenty strong to win just by turning it down a couple notches.
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>>2858714
It's so weird seeing sex her of all places
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So...Elizabeth got pissy because she was forced to share a slot with Red, and then vanishedDid i just lose a companion?
Also, i adquiried Lilith'sheart is that useful for anything or just a glorified stat booster?
Is there any fun builds in BS1 besides Magic Maxxing Discharge and Unga Sin Blade? Tried Messing around with uber tankiness and aggro using Bunker Sword, but it seemed hella shitty
>>2860327
What can i say, i like sex
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>>2860509
>did I lose a companion
yes, permanently
>lilith's heart
yeah it's just a better black soul
>builds
not many in bs1, there's more on bs2
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>>2860597
Well, shit, guess i got cucked out by Red
Can i still adquire Elizabeth fairytale? or the true endwas also robbed from me too?
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>>2860509
>mf lost his yellow soul dealer for a dog fucker whore
Dude...
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>>2860625
>fairy tale
I think? don't quote me on this but iirc she becomes a demonbeast in the forest
>true end
rumao
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>>2860625
>Can i still adquire Elizabeth fairytale?
Yeah. Only one you can miss out on in BS1 is Jeanne's I believe.
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>>2860917
>Spoiler
How? Do you mean taking to long to revive her or something?
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>>2860959
If you progress too much the skeleton that revives her goes missing, maybe there is something specific that triggers it but it's better to just revive her early
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>>2861069
I see, maybe it's related to all the areas besides the Holy Forest going to shit, like that Brothel in Elixir being invaded by those walking corpses.
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Where is Beauty and the Beast for BS1? Last book I need before filling the library.
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>>2861309
Remember Cinderella's dungeon? You meet Belle there. If you let her go, just enter the Lost Empire again from the bonfire where the 4 crystals are
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>>2861313
more books....
and i don't like where this is going
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>>2861335
Hope you enjoy your hotel visit!
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>>2861335
I still remember, like 3 years ago or so, how I felt when I entered that room.
Congrats, you finally got to the beginning of the kino in the series...
There is tho one more kino moment in BS1 for, but I don't wanna spoil anything. Come back after you got thar ending.
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>>2861341
I wish I did too. I only recall a vague feeling despite it only having been over a year since. At least I have a better memory of it than I do most things.
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>>2858642
You made the right choice, anon.
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>>2860327
Why?
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>>2861341
>>2861392
Bros. I feel like I'm at a road fork.
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>>2861615
Go for the upper choice first. Go for the bottom one after that
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>>2848192
You can sort of do this in FFVIII in a no exp run if you consider GFs 'gear.'
The only minor grinding would be playing cards to Card Mod magic.
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>>2861627
Welp. RIP my wife
This was me >>2858936
Did the library first.
||Baphomet|| second.
Then redid the original Cinderella ending and got top pic related, a change from (this was me)
I'm guessing BS2 picks up where bottom pic related ended?
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>>2861653
>I'm guessing BS2 picks up where bottom pic related ended?
Yep, though how exactly is revealed only in the base game ending. It also happens to reveal what the fuck happened in ending D, since it likely makes little sense to you at this point in time
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>>2861655
>likely makes little sense to you at this point in time
Mostly, yea. Only thing I really gathered is that Leaf is the creator of the world based on worlds I created
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So..about Match Girl
Is she destined to death by vore or intense hymen breaking in the rape dungeon or you can "save" her somehow?
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>>2861808
it's not a cutscene
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>>2861809
It isn't?
Oh fuck. ERMM really baited me
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>>2861817
Also make sure the way is clear for her ;)
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>>2858642
>Also, do the princesses make a return in BS2 in any capacity?
The only one that matters returns in Mabel's Rape Dungeon.
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>>2858760
refrain from doing this
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THIS Scene in the OG BS, holy hell, wasn't expecting that sprite to be popping in the corner, it pulls my schizo lever just enough.

Anyway, where i can find the Izu events? Recall seeing him chilling in the Fort, i think, but nowhere else
Also, is there any benefit in killing Baphomet? Or it's best to just leave her alone if i ain't going for Ending D
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>>2862466
>save him int fortress
>should appear in the cementery area next
>then the mines
Honestly, i've never managed to complete this one since for some reason he's very finicky on his second spawn
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>>2862503
>He's very finicky on his second spawn
Huh? Doesn't he go there as soon as you beat the cat knight?
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>>2862503
>>2862520
>Cemetery area
Do you mean Elixir? Cause i checked there and couldn't find him at all
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>>2862531
Yes, on one of the areas to the left of the stairs leading up to the cathedral(?) there should be two enemies facing to the left blocking the way. If Izu isn't there then you were too late.
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>>2862568
Well, shit, guess he's gone for good.
Since I don't plan on doing a whole ass run just to clear his events, what is his deal and how is he related to Cinderella at all? Dude just looks like a generic ninja guy
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>>2862573
he's cinderella's son, doing his quest unlocks his skin and allows you to get cindy's covenant it's not good anyway
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>>2858641
I thought I was the only one to notice that but Dies and BS2 are quite similar I guess. I don't know if this is a recurring Japanese trope but idk about anything else where you fight Outer beings to break free of a loop who just so happens to be called Grand Guignol.
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>>2862576
I see. It's quite funny how almost all characters in the franchise are:
>Married
>In love with a single person
>A "pure" maiden
Yet, you have them breaking their monogamy because it's "needed" or something. Quite unusual for a H-Game, where almost everyone tends to be polygamic
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>>2862277
Now i wish i didn't.. Snow didn't deserve that...
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>>2862623
yes
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>>2862588
Same shit happens in Persona 2 Duology, minus the part where they name drop the real Andre Lorde theater. Guess Niggerman tales are famous in Japan
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Some lads were saying that Leaf Ring affects stuff in the OG BS, is that true or it's only related to the Heroine "endings" being shorter and you not seeing the "twist"?
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>>2862966
>is that true or it's only related to the Heroine "endings" being shorter and you not seeing the "twist"?
I'd say that affects shit by definition. Were you expecting something else?
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>>2862966
It gives you bad goodendings
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Dunno if I missed anything, but do we even have any information on who this guy is?
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>>2863270
he's supposed to be the representation of alice's father
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Where tf is Sinbad? He's the only mf i need to complete the library
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>>2863351
On top of Poseidon hotel.
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>>2863353
Thanks, dunno how i didn't notice his fogwall there before.
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>/his/ departure in the OG BS
KINO KINO KINO
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>>2863419
you're in for a ride in the sequel then
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>>2863469
Will take a break before touching the sequel, probably near Xmas.
But some stuff i heard about the second game got me a bit excited, won't lie.
Still, i hope the gameplay is more refined and engaging. After reaching a certain point, the game felt stale and quite easy, even at difficulty level 2, and i didn't even grind much, just grabbed the most useful rings.
I jobbed on purpose at the final bosses as a way to drag the fights a bit longer
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>>2863477
>Still, i hope the gameplay is more refined and engaging.
It is, but it's still ultimately way too easy for its own good up until DLC 3, and as long as you have a few functioning brain cells then even DLC 3 shouldn't be too bad.
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>>2862966
The real question is whether those good endings are canon or not. Mary's love letter speech seems to imply that she would give you happy endings along with the usual.
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>>2863382
It's not there before you take care of the mermaid
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>>2858635
Here's a comprehensive guide to it.
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>>2865684
Huh, people still post one of my images. That's nice to see. There's some shit I'd change since I made it, but the general gist of it is still accurate enough I think. I was actually making a fuller timeline of events for what happens in BS2 but got distracted with other shit partway through.
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>>2848192
explain BS' combat system
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>>2866360
Not OP. BS1 is a relatively simple turn based ATB system. Your combat options are largely dictated by what weapons or rings you bring into combat with you, specific skills you've learned on your own, and summoning specific allies to help you in combat.
BS2 takes that system, removes the ability to freely summon allies, and gives the player the option to swap weapons mid-action. That, in conjunction with the much wider variety of weapons, armor, rings, changes to the item system allowing free actions of some specific items and the new covenant system gives the player a much wider range of options and far more flexibility statwise with what they can accomplish. The weapon swapping system is the most important part here, since you can start a turn by using one of the weapon skills tied to the weapon, swap to another weapon to use one of it's weapon skills, and swap to yet another one and end your turn by using another skill and all three skill usages from all three weapons will end up being calculated with the stats the final weapon gives you. You're not limited to weapon skills when you swap weapons either, basic skills you've learned, defending or item usages are options as well.
Functionally, the system in BS2 is deep enough to where the entire game can and has been beaten at Soul Level 1 (so no levelups) Difficulty 9 (the highest in-game difficulty level) and with no colored souls being used to pump up your base stats. This includes DLC 3, which the dev recommends most players have raw statlines of ~10k-20k while SL1 raw statlines look like this.
Both games are ultimately far too easy for their own good however, so most players end up ignoring finer strategy in favor of raw unga. This even applies to most fights in DLC 3 if the player is smart enough to use a few brain cells when attacking.
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>>2866427
what makes them easy? the system itself or the enemies?
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>>2866463
>what makes them easy? the system itself or the enemies?
The system itself lets you break shit pretty hard (lmao gunclock), but I'd pin the blame more on the enemies being too easy generally. Sheer, raw unga is all of the strategy you'll need for the vast majority of base game fights, it's only once you start entering the DLCs that there starts to be anything resembling a real challenge or change to how you might approach combat. Still, there's quite a few people that have struggled with the combat system in BS2 and found it too challenging (pic related for one example), so it could just be that I'm viewing it from the perspective of someone that's very experienced with RPGs and minimizing what it's like for the average player.
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>>2858706
>Rance
I agree with what you mean by character closure in Rance X, but saying White Album had to much drama means you just couldn't appreciate it when you played it. It's ranked as one of the best and most anticipated VNs for translation for being one of the few that can't be easily replicated
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>>2866482
What's the deal with White Album? Really can't see anything much interesting on it, it just looks like a very gray morals love triangle with a MC that is in a crossfire between two hoes and that's it.
It doesn't have the autism of that vn that inspired DDLC (when one of heroinese dialed God, i lost my shit)
The slow build up and twist of Muv-Luv
Or the twist, after twist with ups and downs of Umineko and Dies Irae
Or the sheer autistic, yet, understand idelogy of our unhiged schizo, Kageaki from Metal Muramasa
Ain't trying to shit WB, but it doesn't seem appealing at all, care to enlighten me? Wouldn't me some spoilers
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>>2866463
In BS2, it's because the Chaos Dungeon exists to give you a quick power-up anytime you're having difficulty progressing. That place's got just about anything you could want stashed somewhere in there, and some strong exclusive loot to boot, too.
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>>2866814
To be fair I doubt CD can do much for DLC 3. At that point you are most likely better off getting the god's angels and going with gear like celestial ring, and generally OP buffs like King's orders and Indignation.
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>>2866753
Haven't read it yet, but not all stories need to be these unhinged, over-the-top epics. One of my favourite VNs is Symphonic Rain, which is very subdued in the way it conveys emotions through its prose. It has a very slow-paced and melancholic feel to it. It reminds me of Tartar Steppe and Williams' Stoner in that sense
I just hope the love triangle shit in WA doesn't devolve into something sappy and melodramatic
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>>2866753
whats ddlc stand for? i wanna read
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>>2867637
"Doki Doki Literature Club", if it sounds interesting to you then make sure to check out "Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi" as well.

>>2866753
Just a well-written story with a simple premises, if you like drama soaps. Most of the story is most of the characters, including MC, dating around before settling.
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>"Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi"
looks promising
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>>2867682
Just note that it has NTR. Don't get too attached to the pink haired girl
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Small new update
https://twitter.com/toro_yori_ebi/status/1598140166727954432
>I drew 36 CGs in November!
>I have about 150 CGs to go! ( ᐛ )
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>>2869630
>Ligma delayed to late February
>DRH will be finished in around 5 months
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Will we get a happy ending when all is said and done, bros?
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>>2870097
We most likely wont. It would be fitting for the series.
I think Grimm will die. Whether our girls get to live, I don't know.

Best we can hope for is bittersweet imo.
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>>2870097
At this point I can see BS3 pulling a grimdark, bittersweet and good (but Crime & Punishment good, not happily ever after good) endings. And I see those options as equally likely
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>>2870097
>Will we get a happy ending when all is said and done, bros?
You will marry and live a happy life forever with Lorina so yes.
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>>2870097
Grimm scattering his love everywhere is going to be a real problem in the future. Unless there's a massive memory wipe or somehow every girl gets her own Grimm, there's gonna be a lot of heartbreak... I have a feeling that nobody's gonna be willing to share Grimm.
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>>2869630
Sigh, time to go watch all the Friday the 13th movies now I guess.



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