Alright, I got it. What am I in for?
lots of reactivitybeautiful environments with disgusting plasticine charactersgarbage OC settingshitty companionsdevs resurrecting shitty companions even after you insulted them at every opportunity and killed them like twice"a-at least c-c-coop is fun!"honestly BG3 has no right being this good when DOS2 is so bad
>>2728135Yeah but does BG3 have coop? I mean...if it does I'll start playing that cus the story and world building in this game sucks ass
>>2728124An unfinished game that somehow is worse, shorter and less memorable than the first game.
>>2728124Lots of fun and some smut before the final act.
>>2728124A fantastic first chapter, just abandon the run after sailing off and restart as a different character.
It annoys me that you can't really play a diplomatic talky character in this. Same with most RPGs actually. I just want to have a super humanely good diplomat boys....
>>2728124great first act, meh everything else. novel combat system that gets repetitive by ~act 3. exponentially more inventory management than you'll want to deal with.
>>2728292I don't think I ever played an rpg where dialogue would be a viable equally developed alternative to combat. It's either a game about dialogue, or a game about combat and in both of them the other is just an afterthought.
>>2728124>>2728135>>2728169You know you guys just reminded me how difficult it is to give constructive feedback on this game.The game id the very definition of "its good, but"Lots of great and interesting ideas that end up kinda poorly executed?Ambitious but kinda fizzles out the longer it goes?It reminds me of Ego Draconis how fun it starts and how unfinished it feels the further you are in.
>>2728316Yeah I know. Sad times. People even forget when playing say d&d 3.5e that a good diplomat build can change a hostile encounter into an amicable one.
>>2728324D:OS2 is especially lame with this as it couples the diplomatic skill with other attributes depending on what you're trying to do making a diplomacy build largely impossible.
>>2728324Dialogue and other soft skills need a system as interactable as combat if some studio wants to get serious about it.Otherwise you're just picking text from menus.>hey look I skipped 1000 manhours of tactical decisions, modeling, music, and special effects battles by picking this 20 in a skill at character creation.La Noire is the only game I can think of that sort of developed this direction, or maybe hentai games.Even locks and traps should get better treatment than they do.
>Insane amounts of combos>Top-of-the-line turn-based combat>Very well-written characters (if you pick the right ones for your party)>An aggresively mediocre main story that was seemingly written by 12yo's
>>2728124Good act 1&2, garbage after thatmeme gimmick fights where nothing but teleporting around mattersgodawful itemization (God Killer Nigger Fucker Sword of AIDS Level 11 is worse than long stick level 13)
>>2728124Kino. Great music and interactive environments. Player choice upped to the max. Mediocre dialogue and fun combat.
>>2728408>Muh player choiceBeing able to be a schizoman and kill everyone isn't meaningful player choice, no more than you being able to go Postal IRL make you free. >Being able to say "fuck you" to certain important NPCs that piss you off and it makes sense for you to kill themAlready done by most CRPGs that never pretend to be "le amazing player choice".
>>2728124Combat is really really good. Locations are interesting a beautiful. Well done coop.Plot, dialogue and characters are pure trash though. Treat it like a top-tier tactical game with somewhat bloated inter-combat parts and you'll have fun, don't bother with RP.
>>2728407Oh yeah, the itemization is pure cancer.
>>2728316>I don't think I ever played an rpg where dialogue would be a viable equally developed alternative to combat.the only game i can think of where dialogue and combat provide equally fleshed out paths is age of decadence, hopefully the devs are planning something similar in their next game
Now, the 2nd game can be very fun with co-op. (Mostly because it keeps your attention off of the awful dialogue, story, and equally awful characters.) BUT I still feels like it suffers from what I call "Gotcha" mechanics like in the first game. Got through 6 hours but sold some unimportant-looking item early on for gold?GOTCHA! RESTART! IT WAS CRUCIAL TO THE MAIN QUEST!Played 10 hours learning your class just to get stone-walled by a fight and read online that your class is a meme/useless?GOTCHA! RESTART!I hate re-playing the exact same section more than a few times and I swear to christ I've played the intro of these first two games 7-8 times now. Awesome graphics, some memorable moments, cool looking spells, and SOME good voice acting?5/10cannot wait for baldurs gate to compare it to. also why the fuck is this game so autistically guarded i swear every dnd group i play with everyone says its the best game since ever and forever.
>>2728124People always say the characters and dialogue are shit, but never really explain why beyond "reddit humor". I will admit, the story is a mess only rivaled by the Pathfinder games.
>>2728124Another what am I in for threadJust play the game you fucking faggoted adhd zoomer, do people really need to tell you what you're supposed to think about the game
>>2728465I don't mind the humor that much, for me it's:1. The quality of prose. Maybe it was much better in German, but in English a lot of it's aggressively wooden, with intensely over the top VA trying and failing to bring some life into it. 2. The god-awful pacing. Many stretches of story take way, way, way too long (often due to acting as framing for the game's admittedly great but quite time-consuming combat) only to have no pay off whatsoever, other times you have a dozen twists and turns dropped on top of you in 10 minutes with no foreshadowing and little explanation. Think of the bit where we get Lady Vengeance. You just spend multiple hours trying to escape Fort Joy and dealing with Alexander and gearing up for this running to freedom from under the heel of Magisters and then SUDDENLY yeah Alexander doesn't matter any more FIGHT THIS WORM OUTTA NOWHERE and SUDDENLY Alexander matters even less and it's all Dallis from now on and SUDDELY Malady and she's in charge somehow and we need to teleport there somewhere and go do the thing for a completely new reason that also sprang right outta writer's ass. And it stays that way through the entire game. 3. The all-over-the-place tone. The game constantly jitters between light-hearted fairytale and FATE OF THE WORLDS CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR RACIAL MASS GENOCIDE MILLENNIA OF GUILT, in a jarring way. Pick a line and stick with it, I'd be all for panty jokes if the story did not spend last hours trying to make us take it seriously with harrowing dread of horror. When people bitch about "reddit humor" it's mostly this. Not jokes themselves, but them having awful placement. 5. Lack of coherence. Whether different plots are written well or poorly, NONE OF THEM WORK TOGETHER. They have no logical or thematic synergy and instead just clash painfully, despite frequently overlapping. It's like people who wrote them maintained zero intercommunication.
>>2728492A lot of these are story complaints, which I absolutely agree with. I have many gripes with the pacing and generally how it the game handles tone, not to mention how it attempts to juggle several plots at once. However, I don't generally get the complaints people have about the characters, and in my opinion they were the best part about the game writing wise. Fane in particular had me chuckling quite a few times thanks to his lines, and moments like Loshe singing after getting her voice back were truly great.
>>2728492And an additional note on secondary characters. There are many arguments on how well-written they are, but one thing that is certain is how insufferable most allies and questgivers are. They pretty much universally treat the party like an expendable bunch of an annoying ankle-biters, which is cool for a gritty grimdark sort of a story where they are more of obstacles for s to deal with as plot happens to us. But this isn't the case - the plot AND many of those characters literally spell out that the player characters are indeed the Chosen Ones and the world's Last Hope yadda-yadda, and they all are kinda of big deals per their backstories, and all of those NPCs still treat the party like annoying errand-boys that should be kept out of the loop, while the plot mostly happens to them and not us - we're just helping them get there. I really liked the combat, but it did not stick in my memory half as well as how fed up I was with Malady, Tarquin, Gareth, Siva, the Mother Tree, the Shadow Prince, the Sallow Man and Sadha.The closest impression I got of them is an inept ego-centric DM running a railroad campaign where her blatantly panders to egos of his characters a bit and then makes them into an audience for his one-man show of a story involving mostly his own characters he wrote by himself, for himself, and then gets pissy when "the audience" fails to appreciate his efforts.
>>2728456Crucial item? I don't recall anything like thisShit class? It's a good thing you can respect then
>>2728517I disagree in the story not happening to the player, if anything it felt your companions had grand backs stories and aspirations but ultimately fail because YOU are the real chosen one. Cause the real issue is any one of them CAN be the chosen one. The writing is shit thou
>>2728124The only good part of the story comes from the Red Prince, so pick him as MC
>>2728124Worst writing I’ve seen in any video game. Here’s a great example:>Looking for Source (magic) teacher>Find a necromancer in Disneys Haunted Mansion>Go on a quest for him>He tells you he’s going to betray you - straightup without codewords.>As he’s about to execute you, you can ask him to teach you source powers>He agrees and then fights you anyway despite making you dramatically more powerful seconds before the fight. Also, the combat is fucking bad.It’s all about stacking effects and it is frankly ridiculous how everyone in this world (even basic bandits/guards) have some kind of flying teleport or flaming teleport or backstab teleport. It ruins the setting.
>>2728292IMO the speech mechanic in any game is just an excuse to skip content. You want a quest giver to do something for you and they want you to do a side quest. You use speech to politely say no and they just give you what you want.
>>2728693That was Ryker right? Why does he actually fight you?
>>2728124Baby's first CRPG and overrated Larian schlock.
>>2728456>i swear every dnd group i play with everyone says its the best game since ever and forever.You need to stop playing in 5E groups.
>>2728707The official reason is that he is a Lone Wolf Assassin who vows to kill all godwoken he comes across. Of course he never says this and he actively brings you closer to godhood before he attemptsTo murder you.
>>2728519That just means you didn't sell it lmfao
>>2728369Yes it would. I so wish that someone would do this. Maybe I should be the change I want to see in the world....>>2728696Yeah that's how it is in most games and thus it's used sparingly which makes me want to piss and shit a brick.
>>2728124I had a blast playing this one on coop especially with retarded builds combos thats half sabotaging each other
>>2728492>>2728517It's a good game and I still love it to bits for the interactivity and build freedoms but these are all very valid complaints. I'm hoping they can get their story and pacing acts together for BG3.
>>2728124there are two qol mods that I can recommend: Get the one that adds all spells to your book when you hit a certain level as getting spells is just itesome busywork. 2: Get the mod that replenished source on rest as doing so is tiresome busywork.
>>2728135>honestly BG3 has no right being this goodBG3 is as bad as DOS2>>2728140It's had it since it entered EA.
>>2728124it's kind of boring honestlydon't choose a custom character, pick one of the existing ones
It’s fun in co-op for a few hours, though figuring out the effect combinations needed for boss fights can take all night (trolls). At the same time, hub areas are too chaotic. By everyone moving around at the same time, everyone will grab different story threads which then need to be related to the rest of the party and then the actual journal instructions are EXTREMELY vague.Also, loot system is horrendous, the writing is terrible, and single player is a nightmare.
>>2728124fantastic first act, then an appalingly boring second act
>>2732715you can cheese so much in act 2 it´s insane. First free the Lizard with a speech check from gallows. Go to town pickpocket the vendor for lone wolf necklace then head out. Go north to Bloodmoon bridge and use jump skill to get across speak to Demon for second source channel and steal level 15 armor from vendor. Go east to the Succubus and escort via north path to skip any fights, get third source channel. Go to Lizard and get vampirism and see undead right away since your source is maxed. Go to Lone Wolf camp use see dead for quest that gets you level 15 shield. Go to Bloodmoon to do library quest for another truckload of xp. With the exploration xp you should have leveled up around 5 times now and have good gear without a single fight. You can pick up more unique gear from the hidden chests.
Larian humor worked in Dragon Commander and Ego Dragonis because of the overall comfy eurojank feel. Not so much in these supposedly serious CRPG games
>>2733026But the Original Sin games aren't really taking themselves seriously either.
>>2732581>BG3 is as bad as DOS2Both are good
Look up a build guide, the game only lets you respec stat attributes but not the actual skills which cost a fuck ton of money. Pickpocket every NPC you see, money is everything in this game. Also, before moving to a new act, kill every single NPC on the island and loot their items/money.
>>2728124awful round robin turn based system that encourages you to not kill the easier enemies, awful armor system which makes the CC aspects useless and turns the game into a dps rush, the most imbalanced gear and enemy scaling system you've seen in your life. The most overrated crpg you'll ever play
>>2728124I'm finding it very hard to finish act 2 as the story and the quests are really boring. There's like a couple of character moments that are interesting but outside that... it's technically competent but narratively bankrupt.The inventory management sucks. Worst inventory/item management in any RPG.The combat is decent, has cool environmental mechanics, but also bullshit.
DOS1 is miles better
>>2728320How does D:OS1 compare?I haven't played any Larian games, but the first OS game looks pretty grounded and traditional with a solid emphasis on exploration and adventuring.
>>2735004definitely going to pass on DOS2 based on this opinion
>>2728124I love the combat system and environmental effects but holy fuck does the dialogue and voice acting filter me hard. The writing is godawful and none of the characters you meet are likeable which detracts pretty heavily from the experience. Listening to any character speak in this game makes me want to bash my head over and over into a wall and it's for this reason I never finished any of the D:OS games, it's just not worth sitting through in singleplayer.
Dragon Knight is the only good Larian game. Dragon Commander is their only acceptable game.
>>2737917I'm sorry about your horrible shit taste.Now go and play Divine Divinity.
>>2737948I will, thanks. I'm legit embarrassed for people who think BG3 is good. But DivOS1 doesn't look too bad.
>>2728152>and some smut before the final act.ngl my dick jumped multiple times as I read the whole scene with Lohseprobably gave her more character in that scene alone than the rest of the game which is kinda sad but also good because she was easily the least interesting two dimensional (heh) personality of the bunchI also accidentally sucked Fane's dick as Ifan because I thought the prompt was a joke about "mating rituals" and I reloaded my save an hour prior to avoid it
>>2728320>fizzles out the longer it goesThat's putting it very generously. I'd say the final stretch of the game (Arx, Path of blood specifically) is insultingly bad.
>>2728456>some unimportant-looking item early onWhat fucking item? There's barely any quest items that don't specifically mention them being important besides keys, and I don't think you can sell those for anything.>read online that your class is a meme/uselessLiterally infinite respec.These are embarrassingly obvious skill issues, you'd have to go out of your way to point out the most retarded non-issues you could in a game with about a billion actual flaws. I'm legitimately impressed.
>>2737997>But DivOS1 doesn't look too bad.Do I got news for you
>>2738876There are many quest items that don't even imply they're quest items. That faggot flower in the first act to subdue that zombie dude on the beach for a start.
Its a good game, but i couldn't get over how awful the writing and combat is.Its more interesting than boredom erectile disjunction pillars of eternity.
>>2739063>That faggot flower in the first actThere's 3 yarrow flowers in fort Joy. Again, you'd need to go out of your way to find all 3 then sell them before interacting with the zombie that literally screams the quest item's name out for you. You're digging your hole deeper, anon.
>>2739121Btw it's also better to just kill the zombie in the first act for his armor and ring early on. And never interact with his whore magister daughter, or do, but lie about never seeing the zombie.
>>2728135shut up gay boy
>>2739121Yeah, he screams it out when you first meet and if you don't have it he attacks you drip.
>>2739121>"NOOO just save the yarrow plants (which are crafting components) randomly so when you bump into the zombie faggot you'll subdue him even though there's literally no way of knowing this without meta/by accident."Brave. Powerful.
>>2739051What's bad about it?
>>2739135t. brainletyou do the peaceful resolution of the quest and then kill them both for the exp and items
>>2739174Not him, and I don't totally agree, but the story is pretty shit, and I don't know what it is about the world/setting, but it is just completely forgettable. I played it a few times when it released, once in co-op, but could never bring myself to finish it because it's just so dull. DOS2 was better, imo, but I haven't finished that one either, so it is what it is.