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This is the most pretentious attempt at social commentary I've ever seen.
>Happy Boxes
>Le capitalism and work bad
This is literally what a seven year old thinks deep social commentary is. The only people this is profound to were born yesterday.

"Consumerism and materialism are bad" is a take that was worn out before the guy who made this game was even born. Everyone has seen this message already, and with far more engaging delivery than this.
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>>2653668
Kill yourself.
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>>2653673
>>2653688
In Mother 3, a complete “doomsday” follow-up to the state of humanity after Mother 2, humanity had destroyed itself and had to settle on the isolated Nowhere Island. They (without their memory and experience of the previous world-ending event) went back to a more communal lifestyle where people help each other without expecting anything in return, and it is said that the village “knew not of sadness” until the blatantly named Pigmask army arrived. Despite their arrival at the town starting a literal wildfire and spawning animal-mechanical chimeras that killed one of the most beloved people in the town, Lucas’s mother Hinawa (and her innocent 12-year-old son), the town eventually, accepted the new way of life introduced by the Pigmasks: exchange of goods and services with money, industrial jobs, questionable entertainment venues, the joy of life by owning these so-called Happy Boxes that seem to serve no real practical purpose - a literal vehicle of consumerism.

Eventually, the people abandoned their modernized village for the grand life in New Pork City, which turned out to be a corrupted, polluted mess underneath its flashy exterior. And the solution? To give everyone their memories back and make a wish to reset the state of the Nowhere Island back to its non-materialistic and communal lifestyle. To go back to nature, as the new title screen after you complete the game indicated. There is no subtlety nor nuance here whatsoever. Capitalism is bad and the only way to fix humanity is to go back to a time when there is no technological advancement, no economy, no money - no “greed”. A drastic tonal and viewpoint departure from the previous games that, in my opinion, doesn’t feel like “Mother” I know and love. And it doesn’t resonate with me as deeply as the previous game’s narratives and messages, despite being more “mature”, supposedly.
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>>2653691
Shut the fuck up you fucking subhuman waste of air. Take a knife and cut your throat open. Die. Kill yourself.
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>>2653691
Humanity didn't destroy itself Porkey did. How can you spend 3 years posting these but not play the game?
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>>2653691
didnt read, I like the game
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>>2653706
Humanity traveled to the new dimension after they destroyed themselves. Porky followed them into the new dimension after getting banished from every other one.
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>>2653719
Kill yourself.
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>>2653749
>>2653711
The game had some clear cuts in its troublesome development when it comes to the lore and characters - Kumatora’s entire existence, Flint’s role in the game, the Egg of Light, the Needles and the Dark Dragon, Leder, etc. - the awful pacing, and the restrictive linearity in the game’s progression that makes the already miserable world of Mother 3 even more depressing to get through. However, all of this cannot compare to the disappointment I have with the “heart” of the game that earned it all the praise and legacy as a piece of media.
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>>2653753
Kill yourself.
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>>2653756
You can't even refute a single thing I'm saying because you know I'm right. The game is unnuanced and has a rather juvenile resolution to its world. Rather than making compromise and accepting that the world has its flaws, it makes the perfect escape. Ironically what the game is also criticizing.
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>>2653771
Kill yourself.
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>>2653775
Try coming up with an actual rebuttal.
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>>2653779
Kill yourself.
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>>2653780
>No argument
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>>2653788
Kill yourself.
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>>2653719
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>>2653788
Kill yourself you stupid fucking scat-obsessed retard. Who spends 2500 dollars on scat porn of a game he hates, you filthy fuck? Pathetic subhuman. How can you live with yourself? Die. Die. You have no choice but to die. Your only hope is death. Kill yourself.
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>>2653793
In Mother 1 and 2, the world becomes better, less evil, but it’s still the modern world with all its beauty and ugliness. The world is always driven by a desire for more - more money, more advancement, more self-satisfaction - but it’s always a beautiful world worth living in and worth protecting regardless. On the contrary to Mother 3 where there's no in between
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>>2653803
>>2653809
Kill yourself.
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Bump
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>>2653841
Try actually refuting anything.
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>>2653691
>>2653753
>>2653809
Wow thanks for quoting my blog, anon. I'm happy to see more people understanding my point. >>2653771 The ending of this game is such a total cop out, which is especially disappointing considering the final boss Claus doesn't even believe in Porky's idealogy. Even Giygas in Earthbound used to believe and have a real conflict with the anti-human ideals of his race.

(The blog, if anyone's interested https://boeingthegreytabby.blogspot.com/2022/06/mother-3-game-critique-analysis.html )

The game doesn't criticize the things that actually matter like how the values of family is lost because of the capitalistic lifestyle (the completely wasted nursery home subplot). The game also shows zero good side of modernization either. Heck if Hinawa had a cell phone she could've called Flint way before tragedy struck instead of sending out the bird kek. Mother 3's writing is such a hackjob and Itoi went full retard, no wonder the game flopped and Japs fucking hate it but adore the first 2.
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>>2653706
>Long ago, there existed a "world". A world different from what the people on these islands think of. This "world" was
incredibly big. More people lived on this world than there are grains of sand on these Nowhere Islands. I know it may be hard
to imagine, but such a world once existed.
>At some point, the world wound up destroyed. Naturally, it was humans who destroyed it. In the back of their minds, everyone had an inkling that it would happen at some point. And then it really did happen.
>...And so, the world is no more.

No, you play the game before posting, faggot.
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>>2653668
Why did Nintendo platform this subversive radical's dangerous ideas? There is a long history of Japanese communist terrorism from the 1970s. It would be wise to get them all riled up into revolutionary activity via the medium of this video game.
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>>2654568
Nepotism. Itoi was a celebrity and made 2 good games in Mother 1 and 2 and he was buddies with Satoru Iwata.
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>>2654535
You're gonna watch as pretentious idiots attempt to refute your points with dodges and no actual arguments.
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>>2653668
why you /pol/tards feel the need to shit all over good things is beyond comprehension
fuck off and kys
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>>2654599
>Everyone I don't like is from /pol/
Holy shit go back.
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>>2654588
I'm convinced people only like to pretend Mother 3 was better than Earthbound for contrarianism since Earthbound is now "mainstream", depsite none of the indie devs actually manage to capture the magic of Earthbound since most of them has the same writing style as Mother 3.
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When are we gonna get a game that explains how good and based consumerism and hypercapitalism is?
It's all "boo hoo, capitalism ruins the natural world" or "boo hoo, dumb unskilled and undisciplined fuckwads are getting screwed out of life by corporations because they think work is for living, instead of living to work", when that's all bullshit. Capitalism and corporate interests are what make the world go round.
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>>2654630
This too. People will take the retarded shit like Claus' death coming right after Porky getting rolled around. Or shit like the goofy enemies that are funny and for kids in all of those segments. It meshes together horribly.
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I don't understand why anyone likes those games. They are super linear and lack side content. Where is the exploring and customization?There are way better jrpgs around
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>>2654637
Mother 3 is just not a good experience to play through, doesn't help it's linear as fuck too. Earthbound only has Ness fighting the police randomly as a critique of police brutality if you look into it. Mother 3 hammers the nail in your fucking eyes with zero subtlety and literally in its last dialogue option "Will you pull the needle?", selecting "No" is completely meaningless. At least in Earthbound when you refuse to escort Paula home she said "Oh then let me escort you home". Mother 3 is oppressive as fuck and just not fun to play through at all.

>>2654640
None of these examples address the actual characters being called out as poorly developed though. Lucas, Duster, and this new "Porky' are the only "developed" characters in this game so that's a no brainer.
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>>2653753
There are plenty of scenes in the game that develop the characters. For example, in chapter 3, Lucas shows up with the Dragos to save Salso and co from the Pigmasks. This shows his ability to forgive the Dragos and recognize that they aren't to blame for his mother's death: he is mature and understanding despite being a young child. This also shows that he's very tough, despite (or perhaps as a result of) being neglected by Flint after Claus' death. He's very in-tune with nature, as the Dragos obey his commands. This ties into the game's themes of technology vs. nature. From the post-chapter 3 narration onward, the game constantly references that Lucas is becoming stronger and heartier, and that while he's still a little bit shy he's also able to protect people he couldn't before. And another thing: yes, he is shaped by his tragic childhood, but even though he's seen so much sadness and watched his home be transformed into something he doesn't like, he still retains the kindness and hope in his heart, which is reflected by the Dragon recreating the world at the end of the game instead of simply destroying it and returning it to nothing.
Duster develops alongside Wes. At first, it seems that Wes is an abusive old asshole, but by the end of the game you realize it's a front and that he feels guilt for how he raised Duster as well as feeling as though he's to blame for the accident that caused Duster's limp. After you get Duster back in your party, you can visit him again, and he's unable to hide his relief that Duster is okay and treats him a lot more kindly. Duster himself isn't the deepest character, but his little flashback sequence with the DCMC was nice.
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>>2654649
Kumatora is an interesting character. She's royalty, but she's a tomboy with a foul mouth. She's very determined (the first time you meet her, she says she was thinking about cutting her leg off to escape the trap she's caught in), and she's even a bit of a femme fatale (disgusing herself as a waitress at club titiboo). She's mostly silent in the latter chapters of the game, but it's worth noting that she joins the party in pulling the needles, even though that's at the cost of the lives of the Magypsies, who raised her.
Boney's a dog, but at least he has some funny moments. He's also a bit of a smartass (when he joins the party at the start of chapter 4, he says "hey there, Lucas. Want me to take you for a walk?" or something along those lines). This might be Itoi's response to the many people who wanted King to stay in the party longer in M2?

I could probably write more about the main 3, as well as Hinawa and Flint, but it's been years since I played the game. I'm sure there's a lot you could unpack from the Tanetane Island sequence, if you wanted to go digging in there.
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>>2654649
>Mother 3 is oppressive as fuck compared to Earthbound and not fun to play at all.
You mean like when Earthbound had you stop every few seconds to take a worthless picture?
You mean like when they game gave you a bike only to remove that ability from you the second after you get it?
You mean like waiting for over half a minute for the door behind the waterfall for Master Belch's lair to open?
The Monkey Cave?
It's funny you'd apply cynicism to Mother 3 when Itoi stated in multiple interviews about Mother 2 that one of the main things he wanted to do in M2 is disappoint the player, annoy and upset them. Doesn't get much more cynical than tricking the player into wasting a huge chunk of money on buying a piece of shit house.
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>>2654660
The pictures are a record of your worldwide adventure.

Itoi has stated he wanted people to play games less and go touch grass more. It's why your dad calls you every 2 hours or so asking you to consider stop playing. Same deal with the waterfall.

Shopkeepers not telling you what items do IS how Earthbound critique capitalism in a much less hammy way.

Limited inventory space is the same, to simulate the feeling of a child on a big adventure with just his backpack.

This is not the same as forcing you to slowly deliver Happy Boxes or pushing broken claymen to simulate the tedious, mind-numbing life of blue collar workers and other bullcrap in Mother 3. And the game made a case with Porky successfully corrupting the Nowhere Island even though his army's arrival caused death to the village. Humans are naturally easily corrupted. But you must still pull the needle instead of being allowed to express any reaction or hesitation.
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>>2654662
Your image is literally in a sham intellectual club where people have to make reservation to attend. They sit around admiring a worthless rock and talk like they're hot shit. It's in the tourist trap city of Summers that still try to rob you after you defeat Giygas. That quote from the NPC is literally satire.
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>>2654662
I didn't like the Pyramid, Dungeon Man Cave, or the Monkey Cave though. Monkey Cave was just a shitty version of Mother 1's Monkey Cave that was much swifter and more of a quick puzzle maze. I appreciate the diversity of locales but Earthbound did have a bit of padding. That's why I personally still like Mother 1 the most despite its many, many flaws.
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>>2654667
>Mother 1 and 2 have just as hammy moments critiquing capitalism but that isn't as hammy as Mother 3 because I say so!
>Mother 1 and 2 have just as boring and tedious moments as Mother 3, but they're better... because I say so!
Just give it up, faggot. There's literally no difference between these two things. The dialogue being slightly different for the two games doesn't change that fact.
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>>2654667
Also, you've failed to address these two posts
>>2654650
>>2654655
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>>2654686
Nice job of missing the entire fucking point, faggot. Come back when you have better arguments and reading comprehension.
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>>2654667
>>2654690
>This is not the same as forcing you to slowly deliver Happy Boxes or pushing broken claymen to simulate the tedious, mind-numbing life of blue collar workers and other bullcrap in Mother 3
But yet, buying a house for nothing, giving you a bike and taking it from you, the ruler in Jeff's inventory, the insane prices of the shopkeepers, and the Waterfall and dad aren't hammy or hamfisted because...?
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>>2654690
Already addressed the first one here
>>2654649
And for the second one the Osohe/princess bullshit is just never developed, clearly cut content. Boney is just basic and a very boring party member. Why can everyone use bombs and rockets in Mother 3 now? 1 did party diversification so well, 2 was weaker but acceptable and 3 was just atrocious.

The in-depth characterization is never a strong point for the Mother series anyways, only Porky, maybe Giegue, and Maria had any deeper exploration. If I wanted good characterization I'll play other JRPGs, not Mother.
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>>2654691
>>2654691
>This is not the same as forcing you to slowly deliver Happy Boxes or pushing broken claymen to simulate the tedious, mind-numbing life of blue collar workers and other bullcrap in Mother 3
But yet, buying a house for nothing, giving you a bike and taking it from you, the ruler in Jeff's inventory, the insane prices of the shopkeepers, and the Waterfall and dad aren't hammy or hamfisted because...?
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>>2654694
Buying a house, the bike, and the ruler are optional shit. Shopkeeper prices, especially Summers, was to drive a point about the nature of the city. It's why the doctors in Lloyd's hometown charged more than Ninten's too, as it's the industrialized town with schools and factories. Play games less and go out more isn't a hammy message, you can simply tell dad to bug off anyways. Capitalism/modernization is bad and has no good qualities is. The game has zero fucking nuance.
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You know you can simply shop in Scarabia instead of Summers for better prices, right? Fucking scrubs.
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>>2654696
>They're poorly developed because (No underlying reasoning given)
That's not an argument. How are the characters poorly developed?
>3 was atrocious
Mother 3's cast are far more diversified than 2's. Ness is just a damage dealer while Lucas is clearly meant to be a healer and buffbot. Kumatora is the best damage dealer using PSI, better than Paula in almost every way.
Duster has far better abilities than Jeff, and has a far more diversified set of tools to use, instead of being the kid that throws your instakill bottle rockets.
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>>2654630
they never played earthbound, they never played mother3 either but by the time the mother3 translation came out lets plays/youtube had just become big so they were able to familiarize themselves with the game.
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>>2653668
This. Now if it said Talmud Vision it would be great social commentary.
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>>2655128
Go back.
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>>2653668
>"Consumerism and materialism are bad" is a take that was worn out before the guy who made this game was even born
people still consoom like crazy, so it's not going away any time soon
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>>2654711
Ness is a Healer and status ailment inflictor, and he usually uses normal attacks. Paula is a PSI damage dealer and shield user. Jeff is the item guy and he can fix broken stuff into weapons or status inflicting tools. Poo is like Ness but his offensive PSI is better and has different status effects to inflict and until he gets his power-up moment Mirror can be a decent, niche alternative. He was also the primary Teleport Beta user until Ness completes Magicant. In Mother 3 everyone can throw bottle rockets and bombs it's so stupid. Kumatora is also too tanky though Paula herself also needed to be less tanky. There is a bigger overlap or skills as everyone has some form of buffs. Ana was the right balance for a glass cannon PSI user, and the cast of Mother 1 in general was the best in terms of differentiating each party member clearly.
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>>2654634
>le happy merchant xd
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>>2654696
>doesn't count because IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY
Kill yourself btw.
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>>2654535
>quoting your own blog and then responding to yourself pretending it wasn't you
Kill yourself.
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>>2654711
They are poorly developed because they don't go through any development/changes whatsoever? And their ties with Lucas are just so shallow it doesn't even matter. Earthbound had everyone praying for your safety in the end, that's the simple but effective and meaningful way Earthbound uses its characters. Mother 3 was pretty empty emotionally outside of Lucas' family desu, the way everyone just accepts the Pigmasks despite what fucking happened was just mind-boggling, and half of the family is underdeveloped before they get killed off. I strongly prefer Earthbound and Mother 1's casts over 3 honestly.
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>>2654634
>When are we gonna get a game that explains how good and based consumerism and hypercapitalism is?
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>>2653793
He does this stuff for attention. Mods and jannies are never doing their job on /vrpg/ either
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>>2654634
Keep licking those boots boy. I'm sure the bankers at Goldman Sachs and the 20 or so people who own half of all wealth are very happy with your worldview.
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>>2654662
>You mean like when they game gave you a bike only to remove that ability
if you died or have to backtrack early on they dont want you to get pissed off and quit
>>2655655
theres no 'capitalism good' games because all the countries that would need that message will kill anyone who spreads it.
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>>2655652
No, they're here. They just make sure to selectively apply the rules specifically to people that hit a nerve with them
t. was banned in a Morrowschizo thread for calling the resident autist a nigger.
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How does anyone have the energy for this
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>>2656146
How does anyone have the energy to browse/post on 4chan and not know how to sage in shit threads
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>>2655594
>They don't go through any changes whatsoever?
Except for all the moments that they do?
>>2654650 #
>>2654655 #
>Their ties with Lucas are all so shallow that if doesn't matter anyway.
They're all people being forced to live up to unnecessarily high and impossible expectations exacerbated by them being the only ones to see the truth about the pigmasks until the very end. How did you miss that?
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>The game has zero nuance and doesn't show the good of modernization.
Except for in chapter 3 when they show everyone in relative comfort and happiness with their new train station and new houses? This is your idea of having zero nuance or not showing the good of modernization?
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>>2655937
theres no 'capitalism good' games because our paradigm is 'capitalism is le good xd everyone can be a millionaire!'
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>>2653668
>it's bad because it's not unique
>it's bad because it was easy to understand
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>>2655594
>the way everyone just accepts the Pigmasks despite what fucking happened was just mind-boggling
Gee, I wonder why they'd be so willing to accept an army that could easily kill them all in a split second if they wanted to.
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>>2656140
There's still some hope.
His 2 previous threads were pruned, but the Mods forgot to ban him or he evades.

>>2656338
Juxtafag doesn't know how to, or rather, want to discuss fixing M3. He just wants to relentlessly shit on it and for you to agree with him, otherwise he'll keep arguing in circles.

No suggestions given will please him because he's purposely stubborn, pre-programmed to slap them down by default just so he can continue his endless, contradictory slap fights.

The second you share your thoughts on why you dislike the game when promptly asked by him, he'll ignore you. Being reasonable with him is pointless because as stated before, he just wants a fight. This is an autist who I hear has commissioned scat porn of Undertale characters to use as falseflag ammo against Undertalefags.
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Based juxtafag making the Mother 3 fans seethe
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>>2656397
>commissioned scat porn of Undertale characters
>source: trust me bro
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>>2656177
"you have to make the kind of post i want you to!"
go moderate your subreddit.
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>>2656560
It's hearsay at this point since Yuki.la is dead and other /v/ archives don't go as far back as Oct. 2015, but several people over the years have mirrored the same sentiment of witnessing it first hand.

Lee/Barneyfag is a thing, Barry/XV-kun is a thing, ACfag is a thing, Chris-chan is a thing, that dude who pays every Kikestarter project to have his OC in every game is a thing -- commissioning scat porn seething over some indieshit's success isn't that much of a stretch.
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>>2656561
see >>2653775
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>>2656569
i dunno, certain people here try to create 4chan lore like its their hobby, "poopy joe" could just be another tulpa in anons brain.
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>>2656255
Duster, Kumatora, and Boney remain the same characters throughout though what is your point?

I don't get how any of them outside of Duster is forced to live up to impossible expectations? Kumatora NEVER dealt with her Magypsie side nor any Osohe castle crap that entire plot point is completely scrapped and never touched upon after being introduced in the game.

Also the train only leads to the factory and club which is the game's criticism of capitalism lol. The people start asking you to pay money for hotel and shops instead of giving it to you for free which was to contrast with the first 3 chapters of the game under the communal lifestyle and the whole Happy Boxes/lightning strikes thing. The game made it a point to show the villagers being unable to sympathize with Lucas and Flint's inability to just >lol move on already with their loss of family. You are NOT made to care about these morons at all so the final endgame stretch just feels like crap. Heck even before the Pigmasks took over Nana was already ostracized and isolated by the villagers.

>>2656346
But the game never said the Pigmasks ruled by coercion? Even some townsfolk wanted to become Pigmasks and they all wanted to fuck off to New Pork City near the end. They were not held at gunpoint at all did you even play the game?
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>>2656823
Well whether or not it's true, Juxtafag has confirmed OCD >>2653793 and should probably kill himself.
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>>2656259
not everyone can be a millionaire, but a millionaire can come from anywhere.
try gaining independent success in Russia or China (without being a government enforcer).
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>>2656970
>Duster, Kumatora, and Boney remain the same characters throughout though what is your point?
They do go through development. Duster does with the entire DCMC arc and learning how to become a better thief, with Wes there as his catalyst for development. So does Kumatora, but you're of course ignoring that for some weird reason.
>I don't get how any of them outside of Duster is forced to live up to impossible expectations?
Lucas is expected to change his entire personality because of him being "too sensitive" and a "crybaby" along with being forced to fend for himself. Kumatora is also similar in that she's refusing the societal norms that the magypsies are forcing on her.
>Also the train only leads to the factory and club which is the game's criticism of capitalism lol. The people start asking you to pay money for hotel and shops instead of giving it to you for free which was to contrast with the first 3 chapters of the game under the communal lifestyle and the whole Happy Boxes/lightning strikes thing.
And if you actually played through the entire game (Which I doubt you actually did at this point) you'd know that they also criticize the communal lifestyle that Tazmily is living under, which was the sole reason why all their problems started in the first place. It made them "innocent" and susceptible to corruption. This is nuance, this is showing both good and bad, but you're ignoring that because of some weird cognitive bias you have against Mother 3.
>Heck even before the Pigmasks took over Nana was already ostracized and isolated by the villagers.
Never shown, or stated, once.
>But the game never said the Pigmasks ruled by coercion?
You have to be arguing in bad faith at this point. All of the practices of the Pigmasks are coercion. They bust down through Oshoe castle, they light forests on fire, they try to convince people to buy Happy Boxes. I don't know how anyone who isn't arguing in good faith could even say this.
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Don't bump, only ignore spam threads.
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>>2656572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssVaMwTYyPc

literally you.
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>>2658100
Kill yourself.
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>>2653691
So that's why americans like Earthbound huh I see now why I never saw the appeal.
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>>2657630
> Duster does with the entire DCMC arc and learning how to become a better thief, with Wes there as his catalyst for development. So does Kumatora

How does he learn to be a better thief? This was never explored and his only "incompetence" before was grabbing the wrong McGuffin. Kumatora didn't change whatsoever except for finally crying in the credits which we never got to see, just told.

>she's refusing the societal norms that the magypsies are forcing on her
What "norms" did the Magypsies forced on her? It's the villagers who called her a violent boy. She was never in conflict with them and had to accept her destiny to help them, thus learning PK Sandstorm. Why are you pulling crap out of your ass.

> they also criticize the communal lifestyle that Tazmily is living under, which was the sole reason why all their problems started in the first place. It made them "innocent" and susceptible to corruption.
They were corrupted because of the Egg of Light not granting them the memories of their mistake from before that led the Earth to destruction. They literally wiped their own memories to live a blissfully ignorant life. Porky invaded to make a point that humans are naturally corrupted even with the most basic stimulus. That's why Lucas pulled the needle in the end with everyone regaining their memories so they went back to the communal lifestyle but with the knowledge of their mistakes. Did you even play the game?

>Never shown, or stated, once
How about speaking to the fucking NPCs, nigger? She literally stated this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws0rzangkdA.

> All of the practices of the Pigmasks are coercion
No? If it was why did the villagers wanted to become a Pigmask soldier? They were introduced to the concept of money, economy, and jobs. They eventually, literally, abandoned the town guarded by the Pigmasks to come see New Pork City.

You've literally outed yourself as never having played this game, nigger. Kill yourself.
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You already got outed before for missing the point of the White Ship and how humanity destroyed itself. Play the game first before making arguments, retard.
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>>2658372
>That's why Lucas pulled the needle in the end with everyone regaining their memories so they went back to the communal lifestyle but with the knowledge of their mistakes. Did you even play the game?
dude everyone fucking dies at the end
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>>2658379
No they didn't motherfucker they literally have the villagers speaking to you saying they're all fine after the "End" in the credits, completely dismissing any emotional impact they might have tried to establish in the end. Play the fucking game before posting, dumb nigger.

https://youtu.be/5c0TUPV3ZZI?t=1651
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>>2658384
>saying they're all fine after the "End"
theyre dead
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>>2658838
Keep on coping lmao
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>>2658843
>>2658838
It's the same ending as FF7, it's open ended whether humans were destroyed or not, left to the player to ponder.
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>>2658872
So they pussied out of writing an actual ending for the game? That's even worse.
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Juxtachad won
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>>2658922
Kill yourself.
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I think it would be a cute ending if they were all ghosts haunting kumatoras old castle, and you could see the world burning outside, but they were all content to follow their simple routines as ghosts.
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>>2658372
>How does he learn to be a better thief? This was never explored and his only "incompetence" before was grabbing the wrong McGuffin.
You literally state where it's explored and then proceed to hand wave it away. It's not my fault that you're completely inept at understanding basic storytelling. Which I understand now given that you missed almost everything about Mother 3 despite your claim of having played it.
>What "norms" did the Magypsies forced on her?
Being feminine and girly, wearing girlish clothes (Which she later states to despise in Club Titiboo) It's pretty obvious that she'd be in conflict with the Magypsies given her personality and tastes. You're acting like these characters have absolutely zero development or anything to them. We can look at their actions and statements and use inductive reasoning to see what their character is like. Or at least I can. Why can't you?
>Why are you pulling crap out of your ass.
We'll see how ironic this is in a second.
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>>2658372
>They were corrupted because of the Egg of Light not granting them the memories of their mistake from before that led the Earth to destruction. They literally wiped their own memories to live a blissfully ignorant life.
Yes and as such they lived an unsustainable, unworkable, impossible to maintain communal lifestyle that was corrupted and ruined. Glad we're in agreement. The game makes it clear that Tazmily was never going to work and was doomed to fail. The game criticizes this as well by doing things like making the shop in the beginning only sell 3 items and each one gets stocked one at a time. Memories or no memories, it would fail. Leder's speech makes it a point that Tazmily couldn't have worked in the long term. The game is critical of both sides, and yet you claim that there is zero nuance or showing of good sides to either. The problem is with you, you're simply incapable of understanding thematically complex storytelling. You're handwaving away every single example that I've given, either that or not addressing it at all. Actually address what I'm saying, retard.
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>>2658372
>That's why Lucas pulled the needle in the end with everyone regaining their memories so they went back to the communal lifestyle but with the knowledge of their mistakes.
It is literally never stated once that they went back to their communal lifestyle. Never. The ending is left up to interpretation. And even so, this assertion is not tenable with what's shown in the game.
>Porky invaded to make a point that humans are naturally corrupted even with the most basic stimulus.
Yes, and?
>Did you even play the game?
Did you?

>How about speaking to the fucking NPCs, nigger? She literally stated this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws0rzangkdA [Open] [Open].
You've already fumbled because this is from Chapter 4, after the Pigmasks took over. The only other appearance of Nana is in Chapter 1 and in Chapter 2 all she says is that she knows the truth about TaneTane Island. And no before you go "Well she said it here!" Your initial premise was that they were ostracizing and isolating her before the Pigmasks took over. This is not shown. You're a weasel and a clown.
>No? If it was why did the villagers wanted to become a Pigmask soldier?
This literally doesn’t mean anything.
>They were introduced to the concept of money, economy, and jobs.
Via a takeover, involving burning down their forests, ruining and taking over the biggest castle in the area, forcefully separating everybody that saw the truth behind the Pigmask’s plan ie, the elderly, running experiments on their animals, driving tanks through their towns, nigga what?
>They eventually, literally, abandoned the town guarded by the Pigmasks to come see New Pork City.
Via Coercion from the Pigmasks.
>You've literally outed yourself as never having played this game, nigger.
You said it, not me.
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>>2659194
Hey, uh, kys yourself.
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>>2658375
It's just like Itoi said.
>Itoi: That's right. So MOTHER 3 might not appeal as much to people who can't enjoy gray areas.
You're the one with the black and white view and are instead projecting it onto Mother 3.
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>>2659202
see >>2659198
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>>2658372
Nevermind that mention is made of Tazmily using acorns as money which means they followed a rudimentary form of capitalism, they just have no need of goods or services because all their needs are met through the forest's provisions and farming are dumb and baby-level for Mother 3, that's not what the game is about. What it's about is "being yourself," or more accurately "being something you're not."

Leder's explanation of the history of the islands and how they arrived on them lightly condemns the villagers for brainwashing themselves so that they could live out their ideal lives. They already aren't who they were before, they're their ideal selves and performing their ideal tasks and places in the community; he doesn't treat it as a good thing, indeed compares it to the Pigmasks asserting themselves over the villagers and that it's not so different at the end of the day. The villagers invented a false history for themselves, even a false history with whatever civilization existed before they did with Wes claiming to have history with the king of Osohe despite the castle being in ruins and populated by ghosts.
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>>2659205
Believe it or not, deconstructing entire paragraphs of strawmans takes a lot.
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>>2653706
wasn't aware Pokey isn't a human
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>Game's title screen goes from mix of metal and wood to full wood
>Villagers thank you for saving them and said they're fine
>"It's an open ending purposefully left ambiguous"

I can't even
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>>2659180
>You literally state where it's explored and then proceed to hand wave it away.
Bro Wes didn't even tell Duster what the item he was supposed to retrieve is at all how does it show he's an inept thief?

>Being feminine and girly
She did it to keep an eye on Duster and the game never shows her feeling conflicted about it in relation to her Magypsie origin? No one is stopping you from making up headcanons based on your interpretation of the story but pretending it's something everyone who played the game must recognize is silly. Most of Mother 3's characters are criticized by players as being underdeveloped and serving little purpose in the conflict and events of the story. People tend to form their own headcanons and personal interpretations of them based on their few vague traits, and you're no different. Don't act like your own reading of the story and characters is what was shown by the game and must have been understood by everyone.

>>2659181
>making the shop in the beginning only sell 3 items and each one gets stocked one at a time.
You know there are only ~50 people in the town right? Is this really a criticism if there is no demand thus no supply?

>It is literally never stated once that they went back to their communal lifestyle.
Also the blatant ending of this game is proof enough of what the writer's belief and intended message is. You're free to read into it and form your own headcanons lol.

>Via a takeover/coercion
You missed the entire point of the Fassad fakeout scheme to introduce the concept of money to the town. The reason why Porky's ideology had any poignance was that he wanted to prove that humanity is naturally easily corrupted. There was little need for coercion, all you need to do is introduce the concept of money by pretending a meaningless item (whether it's the bad Fassad gave the villager or the Happy Boxes) has innate value.
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>Truthfully, we had no idea how Tazmily Village would turn out.
>But things actually went rather well. The people who had arrived on the White Ship had fully taken to their new identities.They believed they had always lived together peacefully.
> It was when a person by the name of Porky stumbled upon these islands that everything started to go amok.

Please play the game for yourself instead of watching LPs and making up headcanons about what happened so you can pretend it has any nuance. The villagers wiped their memories with the Egg to start over but kept Leder around as a recordkeeper who knows about their past. This is why Porky's actions have any poignance, and why Porky was driven to become so nihilistic and cynical. Humans at their purest, most innocent minds are still easily corrupted by greed and materialistic things, especially when they're just made-up bullshit. And if you're going to quote the lightning strikes as "coercion", most of the towns doesn't even know the Pigmasks are behind it so you can't claim they were aware of the coercion.

Also the Pigmasks are closing down the factory and club. They're not forcing any villagers to go to the big city. If you even talk to the NPCs most of them are interested in coming to the city and act like they're sick of the Tazmily town. You can make up all this "force and coercion" on your own to pretend this game has any nuance but the fact is, there is none. Whatever makes you sleep at night.
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>>2653691
>Capitalism is bad and the only way to fix humanity is to go back to a time when there is no technological advancement, no economy, no money - no “greed”.
That's all 100% true.
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>>2660298
Then get off this site and go touch grass. You're typing this comment right now thanks to capitalism kek.
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>>2660050
The world is returned to nature, what's left ambiguous is whether humans are allowed back into it or not.
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>>2660307
How is it ambiguous when they literally show only the Pigmasks getting hit with the meteorites and everyone in town telling you they're fine and updating you on how they're doing? The game isn't that deep or nuanced, anon. It's all just point A to point B till the end.
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>>2660304
>you get some trinkets in exchange for losing any sense of community anywhere in your life, your free time is reduced to less than half of your waking hours, and also someone else gets to own most of what you'll produce in your lifetime. no you can't opt out.
seems like a bad deal to me, OP
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>>2659273
he literally isn't anymore

Do you remember the part where Andonuts tells you that you have to be put in robot bodies to go to the past because though your souls would survive the journey your flesh would be destroyed? Yet when you get there, Porky is waiting for you, because he's already been modified
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>>2660378
Because the cast only comments on a black screen. Whether they lived or died its not meant to be a bad ending
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>>2658999
Juxtachad
won
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>The ending is ambiguous and doesn't tell you whether the villagers survived/humanity got accepted into the reborn world
>But the villagers were all clearly subjugated and coerced by evil Pigmasks to adopt consumerism and capitalism they aren't rotten at all

Pick a fucking side kek. This is why simpler but way deeper stories like Mother 1 and 2 worked and 3 was dogshit. Literal indie RPG tier incoherent SJW trash.
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>People complain and argue with juxtafag, claiming that he hasn’t once played the game
>Person who has actually played the game and critically analyzed it comes in with actual in-game evidence and completely validates everything he’s ever said, point by point.
Holy. Fucking. Kek. This is absolutely beautiful. This board has to be in complete shambles. This might as well be the final thread that Juxtafag ever posts, because all of his points have been proven by someone using clear and concise arguments with evidence from the actual game. People are having to actually make up headcanon just to say that this person’s completely irrefutable arguments are not so. Even postings from other Juxtafag threads have been completely torn down as well. People who complain he had never played the game are now being exposed as having never played the game themselves. You saw it here first, folks. Be warned Boeing, this thread might get deleted because of the amount of seething you've caused.
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>>2660078
Today I learned that because Wes never described a Mcguffin, Duster was supposed to get in complete detail, means that he never told Duster at all. I also learned that the countless slips, tumbles and bad decisions Duster made in the Oshoe castle level don’t mean anything in regards to how good of a thief he is.

Today I learned that despite Kumatora outright stating how much she hates girly clothes, this means that it never happens in relation to her Magypsie side and shows why she’s separated from them in the first place. Apparently she also learned a move called PK Sandstorm. Whatever that is.

Today I learned that despite the game never saying what system of living that the villagers of the new world are living under means that they are 100% living underneath the same communal lifestyle that got them into the mess they were in in the first place with no means to defend themselves. Because, reasons. Also, I’m the one making up headcanon despite not clearly making a definitive statement about the ending.

Today I learned that the game absolutely shows no nuance when it comes to modernization despite the fact that everyone post Chapter 3 is living relatively happy and comfortable, and the game even makes you question whether or not the villagers are now better off with the Pigmask’s influence.

Today I learned that the game has absolutely zero nuance regarding Tazmily as being the only morally upright posture that the villagers can take, despite it being the cause of all their problems in the first place. The game even shows it as bad with the theme of critiquing escapism. But nope. Absolutely zero nuance. Nope. Nope. Nice job conceding on your Nana point by the way.

Today I also learned that an island take over with tanks destroying everything doesn't count as coercion.
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The spammers complaints are:

>The juxtaposition of how seriously the game treats itself compared to other entries in the series makes it harder to take seriously and comes across as more of an edgy fanfic, especially when the previous two games could provide the same emotional punch and better beats.

>The cartoony artstyle compared to the Earthbound 64 beta leaves a lot to be desired and provided a better artstyle for the more gritty storyline while this new one is too cutesy to be taken seriously.

>The game has humor interspersed and often included in very inappropriate moments right before or after actual serious events in the game happen, rolling porky before the Claus fight for instance.

>The game has very little development and backstory for a character focused game, especially Hinawa who is overshadowed by George an unseen character in terms of backstory. Claus and Hinawa are only given five lines of dialogue to get us invested.

>The game has an extremely rushed and hamfisted plot with the themes being shoved into your face constantly, the three year timeskip ending a lot of plot threads and starting a bunch of new ones. The entire town goes from loving Lucas to being scornful and resentful of him in a matter of a few minutes thanks to this. Leder being the most pointless exposition dump with his gravity coming across as completely weightless.

>The game has way too little connection to the first two games, taking away the modern day setting and acid trip like atmosphere for a more generic JRPG setting with none of the charm of the first two.

I legit can't find a single problem with the above complaints, and this is coming from someone who likes Mother 3. Japan didn't like it for that same reason.
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>>2655606
Is she wearing a skirt or shorts? I can never tell.
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>>2654662
>It's funny you'd apply cynicism to Mother 3 when Itoi stated in multiple interviews about Mother 2 that one of the main things he wanted to do in M2 is disappoint the player, annoy and upset them. Doesn't get much more cynical than tricking the player into wasting a huge chunk of money on buying a piece of shit house.
Which is based. Tricking players into wasting time is a thing I wish more games did, especially way Mother 2 did it. In old games it was just "start the game over", and now they can't risk losing some gamers wasting time. I just want something like Earthbound: a trap that sucks, but it's not game breaking
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>>2653793
Man everytime I go to 4chan and see schizods, I'm amazed. The most schizod shit I ever did was use alt accounts to troll people
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It's translated from Japanese, I'm sure it's much less cringe in its native language.
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>>2658888
I know a book that had a good ambiguous ending: asshole grandad learns to be a good man for his family. He has surgery, and it's ambiguous if he dies or not, but whether he dies or not is irrelevant to the goal of the book: to become a good father. So if he dies he can rest knowing he was a good father to his children, and if he lives then he can continue to be there for his kids. I hate endings that whether the MC/goal of the book is left ambiguous: as long as I know the world was better/worse after the ending I'm fine
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>>2661008
>use alt accounts to troll people
on 4chan? thats pretty schizo
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If the villagers were coerced then Porky's speech would mean nothing because he is factually WRONG and there is no reason to even consider talking to him. Humans aren't naturally corrupted it's literally because his army puts a gun to people's heads. That'd make the supposed "ambiguous" ending of the game regarding the fate of humanity after Lucas pulled the needle meaningless too since the villagers literally dindu so why are they getting "punished" by Mother Earth. This game is such a mess.
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>>2661581
Because they were the ones who destroyed the planet...
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But htey are right. The retard boxes are a cancer that destroyed mankind.
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>>2662227
But the Nowhere Island was fine before the Pigmasks came
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>>2660875
>Today I also learned that an island take over with tanks destroying everything doesn't count as coercion.
they didn't know the pigmasks were responsible for any of it. they thought it was bad weather and violent animals.
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>>2660988
Kill yourself.
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>>2660875
Poopy joe on fucking suicide watch after reading this post.
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>>2653668
>>Le capitalism and work bad



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