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"If the publisher says, 'we don't like this'. I don't care. Who gives a shit. Unless the publisher themselves is planning on buying two million copies of the game it doesn't matter. It's always about the audience at the end of things. I only care about their [publisher's] opinion insofar as they will pay us money."
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>>2355084
fuck off josh
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>>2355112
No
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The publisher is not the customer.
The consumer is
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>>2355084

Your games are bad and as a person you are little more than a vapid degenerate masquerading as an intellectual.
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>>2355084
>"If the audience says, 'we don't like this'. I don't care. Who gives a shit. Unless the audience themselves is planning on matching BlackRock's investment of two million sold copies worth of profit it doesn't matter. It's always about the subversive Jewish investors at the end of things. I only care about their [audience's] opinion insofar as they will pay us money."
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>>2355387
Is it Chris or Sawyer who's a /k/fag? I know one of these two was responsible for making sure most of the firearms stuff in NV was fairly realistic with the custom ammo loading and reload animations.
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>>2355430
sawyer is a gay soiboy liberal, so I doubt he's into guns.
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deadfire had really good combat after the half dozen balance patches, really a diamond in the rough

The pitfall wasn't the ship combat, it was all the writing being about nigger fish larping as Italians
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>>2355430
>>2355436
It was Sawyer, Avellone whined that it was a waste of time
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>>2355436
Sawyer brought out his personal gun collection and went through proper reloading for the animators to watch and copy in FNV animations
He is based socialist
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>>2355440
>deadfire had really good combat after the half dozen balance patches, really a diamond in the rough
I don't call anything RTwP "really good" but it was serviceable for the genre.
> it was all the writing being about nigger fish larping as Italians
Wokeshit detracts from anything decent to end up as a net negative.
>The pitfall wasn't the ship combat,
It really gave the game an unfinished beta feel, and was a giant missed opportunity to distinguish itself from the rest.

I don't understand what it is about pirate settings that turns devs into ADHD tech demo makers but they always rush out this half baked shallow bullship once a jolly roger enters the frame. This, Sea of Thieves, Atlas.
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Is it one person responsible for these fake cult of personality threads about literal whos?
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>>2355387
Beaten and broken by Sawyer
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>>2355084
Nobody gives a fuck about your soiboi e-celebs, company-worshiping cuck.
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>>2356542
how is an active dev an "E-celeb?
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>>2357087
Cool it with the questions, Socrates.
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>>2355084
That's fine, but Pillars of Eternity 2 was the lamest pirate game I've ever played.
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>>2356542
>e-celebs
Right now Sawyer is probably one of the most influential guys in wrpg space since Microsoft has tapped him to mentor Fable team and the other rpgs the Microsoft studios have in development, not just Obsidian.
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>>2357315
>Microsoft has tapped him to mentor Fable team and the other rpgs the Microsoft studios have in development
No they haven’t.
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>>2356049
Badass
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>>2357372
Yeah they have.
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>>2357385
There’s no evidence to suggest that they have.
So you’re wrong
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>>2355387
nice trigger discipline Cuckellone
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>>2357415
That’s a toy gun, you idiot.
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>>2357423
And he's holding it like the man child he is lol
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>>2355387
Can't believe sawyer set those two bitcges on our boy chris
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>>2355387
Why he piss his pants?
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>>2355084
conservatives somehow think this is a bad thing
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>>2357409
Giant corporations don't really shout to the heavens about these positions.
But you'll see it in the credits when those projects finally release.
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>>2357424
Leave Chris Avellone alone.
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>>2357484
Sorry Chris
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>>2355084
Is this why every single one of his games get released unfinished and full of broken features and design choices, no matter the publisher?
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>>2355991
It's insane how people online have convinced themselves that a drama queen faggot Artiste is based and a guy who plays 80s crpgs for fun is onions.
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>>2355084
Sawyer is a legend. One of the greatest videogame auteurs to ever live.
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>>2355436

Yeah but Sawyer is pretty autistic, I feel like only he'd put that level of detail in. Chris seems more like a story person than gameplay anyway, his autism is more like giving every inventory item a backstory and description and companion interactivity
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>>2357638
That’s what we call a good rpg. Only shit ones with no complexity and quests release in perfect condition.
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>>2357656
People look at Jsawyer and his career and think it should be them, that they could have done it.
Starting as a lowly webmaster and forum moderator for Black Isle and rising all the way to directing one of the best rpgs of all time in Fallout New Vegas.
It makes lesser men envious and full of seethe.
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>>2357656
Sawyer is the "artist" while Avellone is the based guy?
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>>2357656
>Sawyer: Athletic middle aged bachelor. Experienced traveler. Well respected in his industry. Directed four critically acclaimed games. Mentors young developers and is a major advocate for unions. At the stage of his career where he doesn't give a fuck about what anyone thinks and is going to create the games that he wants to create. Plays 80s CRPGs and tabletop games for fun. Has a major in history. Understands 8 languages. Favorite game: Darklands. Favorite movie: Andrei Rublev. Favorite book: Diary of an Executioner. Favorite hobbies: Building vintage bicycles and riding his motorcylce. Subscribes to Criterion Channel. Has a gun and watch collection.

>Avellone: Morbidly obese alcoholic. Reputation for being a creep and diva. Notoriously hard to work with. Made one critically acclaimed game in his entire career, and has been trying to replicate it ever since. Blacklisted from the industry, but sold out long before then. Got filtered by the starting area of Arcanum. Favorite game: Final Fantasy VII. Favorite movie: Pulp Fiction. Favorite book: Doesn't read. Favorite Hobby: Drinking. Has a valley girl accent. Probably rapes women.

Just more reason why you should never take this board or rpgcodex seriously
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>>2357687
sawyer had a mental breakdown for two months and just rode his bike around after deadfire launched unfinished
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>>2357698
Sawyer sounds based, but kinda autistic... is he on the spectrum?
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>>2357713
All based people are autistic. You didn't know that?
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>>2357698
Avellone
>kotor 2
>planescape torment
>alpha protocol

Sawyer
>Pillars 1 and 2

Gonzalez
>did most of the new vegas writing
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>>2355084
You faggots care more about the name attached to the game than whether or not it's actually any good. No wonder warpiggies have nothing to play.
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>>2357714
Idk, there are too many "sigma grindset" wannabes out there who are "normal". Seems like the perfect recipe for a future midlife crisis if you aren't actually autistic and will just end up full of regret.
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>>2357716
>kotor 2
Hack job and unfinished mess
>planescape torment
His only good game bordering on visual novel
>alpha protocol
Mediocre game and unfinished mess. He drove the original director (Brian Mitsoda) to quit by demanding tons of frivolous changes and script rewrites. He refused to give anyone on his team any direction and spent all of his time writing dialog. His project management skills were so terrible, that Feargus never allowed him to direct again.

>Sawyer
>Pillars 1 and 2
Icewind Dale 2
Fallout: New Vegas

>Gonzalez
>did most of the new vegas *critical path writing
Under the direction of Sawyer. Just like how there are many good singers who are nothing without a good songwriter, there are many good writers who are nothing without a good director.
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>>2355430
This was expert bait, love how it instantly caught some little bitch
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>>2355084
>>2355108
>>2355112
>>2355336
>>2355387
>>2355390
These threads contain some of the most mentally ill people on this entire site. Just downright bizzare
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>>2355387
>The publisher is not the customer.
>The consumer is
The problem is that the publisher generally calls the shots and essentially all of them prefer predatory behavior over doing what the end users want.
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>>2357698
>Probably rapes women.
Sawyer is definitely cooler than Avellone, but from what I've heard, this is more or less baseless.
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>>2357866
Publisher is the backer. They pay the bills, so the employees can be paid.
If a company is succesful enough, they can self fund.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/description
Hare brained schemes did this
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>>2355084
>Unless the publisher themselves is planning on buying two million copies of the game
Epic Games beg. Shameful.
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>>2357701
Chad Sawyer semi-retiring for less than a year while Beta Ridley Scott retired from film making for four years after one of his movies released poorly
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>>2357315
Source? Not doubting you, I am just curious to learn more about this.
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>>2358157
Sure, it’s only fair I provide a source. Here’s my source: DEEZ NUTS
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>>2357743
Avelltards BTFO
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>>2357713
Check his streams, he's a high functioning autist.
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>>2358305
You don't get to the top of company hierarchy if you don't have great highly advanced social skills anon.
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>>2355084
>it's about the audience
>puts out an image of Prester John as a subsaharan
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>>2358324
He applies his autism into figuring out how to best appeal to his boss who fucking hated him when they worked at Black Isle. When Obsidian was formed he actually told him "go find somewhere else to work" because he didn't want to work with him anymore.
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>>2356049
>He is based socialist
lol he's the kind of guy who complains about the amount of white people in Europe.
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>>2357698
lol Sawyer's the creep who whines on twittter that people dare comment about him publicly simping for pornstars with a total "if you don't like me at my worst" attitude and goes on rants about standard libshit politics.
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>>2358305
Yup. This guys has no social skills whatsoever. Even Adam Brenneke is more charming than him. I still remember that Obsidian PoE Kickstarter party, when Sawyer just stood silently in the corner, not even bothering to engage with anyone, like a fucking nerd.
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>>2355084
>It's always about the audience at the end of things
And that's why he ignored all the feedback from the audience during the Deadfire Figstarter, which led to game underperforming. Because in his words "fans don't know what they want".
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>>2358405
He made a better game for ignoring them
Nobody but consoomers care about sales when judging something and even bringing sales into the discussion puts you in the same group as Disney Adults that have to run cope defence about how much money Marvel movies bring in to deflect criticism
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>>2358392
Like a lot of introverted autists, Sawyer's at his best one-on-one or with small groups he can manage. For contrast, look at his D&D campaign from earlier in the Kickstarter where he's having a good time with his weresharks while Avellone looks bored out of his mind.
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>>2358374
What's the problem /pol/cel 16th century art depicts Prester John as black
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>>2358374
I thought you /pol/tards cared about historical accuracy
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>>2358377
Are you kidding? Sawyer has threatened to quit multiple times unless Feargus conceded to his demands. It's the reason why Pillars of Eternity was greenlit, and why he's currently being allowed to make an experimental arthouse indie game. Despite not being an owner, Sawyer has more influence at Obsidian than Avellone ever did.
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>>2358491
Yeah, like I said, that was something he learned how to do later.
https://www.shacknews.com/article/103473/beneath-a-starless-sky-pillars-of-eternity-and-the-infinity-engine-era-of-rpgs?page=4
>Sawyer nearly went down with the ship. Citing loses of over $20 million in 2003 alone, Interplay closed Black Isle Studios that December. Unlike many of his peers, he did not seek out Urquhart, Monahan, and Parker right away. He and Urquhart had butted heads over design during development of Icewind Dale II. After Sawyer left, both he and Urquhart agreed that Sawyer should look for work somewhere besides Obsidian, at least for a time. Sawyer applied to a design position at Ensemble Studios where he hoped to work on the Age of Mythology strategy game. When he landed an interview, the manager who spoke with him insinuated that Sawyer’s resume made him better suited to roleplaying games. Sawyer thanked him for his time.

>His next interview, at Midway Games, went much better for both parties. He would lead design efforts on Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows, an action-RPG, alongside Doom and Quake co-creator John Romero, the project director at Midway’s San Diego studio.
Romero taught him how to talk to bosses.
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>>2357949
"retiring"
obsidian went bankrupt, then sawyer came out during a conference and blamed everything that went wrong with deadfire on his producer
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>>2358515
>obsidian went bankrupt
Bankrupt?
On a kickstarted game
That only had 30 people working on it
That still continued to fund, create and ship multiple DLC for Deadfire throughout the year
When most of the 100 other employees at the company were working on Outer Worlds
You’re very stupid anon
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>>2358521
Why do you think they sold to microshit, they were on the verge of bankruptcy. Crowdfunding furries and malding sois can only get you so far
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>>2358537
How were they on the verge when the majority of the studio was being funded by Take-Two's money?
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>>2358457
>where he's having a good time with his weresharks
Well, yeah. He's actually the only one having a good time. It's not just Avellone who was bored out of his mind.
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>>2358461
That's from when the myth died though.
Prester John was big in the 12th century and was basically killed off in the 16th.
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>>2358543
Pentiment is set in the 16th century
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>>2358540
Microsoft bought obsidian with the understanding that take two had publishing rights of outer worlds, take two reps apparently had no idea about the acquisition. Deadfire's sales were enough to potentially sink the entire operation and outer world's sales probably would have without microsoft's acquisition and thrusting it to the forefront of xbox.
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>>2358568
>outer world's sales probably would have
The game that sold so much that Take-Two during a shareholder meeting said that they wanted to do a sequel before realizing that they no longer had the rights?
How would that game have bankrupted them when Take-Two was going to fund another one if Microsoft never stepped in.
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>>2358575
Pretty funny how they didn't realize that microsoft had taken one of their games out from under their noses and marketed it on xbox before telling them it was no longer theirs
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>>2357743
Josh Sawyer…I kneel
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Who the hell is Johnathan Sawyer and why does this board keep posting about him
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>>2358955
It's unironically an adopted meme from another website where he was used ironically to shitpost in threads with Avellone fanboyism.

Except utter retards on here who don't even know what games the two worked on adopted it seriously, in no small part because one of them gives off the whiff of a faggy twitter lefty and the other is suing some SJWs for lying to destroy his career hence "muh culture war" from offsite homos who haven't played a classic CRPG ever. (in reality both devs are faggy lefties, one just got fucked by being lower on the victim hierarchy than some convention pornographer)
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>>2359032
Don't know what the fuck you're talking about but in the last two years he, Josh Sawyer, has been discussed and talked about in several big retrospectives on New Vegas that had millions of views on youtube.
That and the continued growth of fallout memes in recent years probably has more to do with it than some dead website you don't even know the name of.
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>>2357698
kek
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>>2359040
>don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Lurk more.
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>>2358955
He’s Rean
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>>2355084
the point of the publisher is to make sure as many copies as possible are sold you fucking retard.
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>>2355084
>It's always about the audience at the end of things.
So how come Deadfire was so full of annoying woke shit?
Did he really think discord trannies are the prime WRPG audience?
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>>2359375
From how well WotR and Baldur’s Gate III sold? Yes.
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>>2358955
It’s Joshua Sawyer, you fucking idiot. His name is literal in the OP.
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>>2359384
I don't know much about BG3, but I think WotR being a prancing la la Pride Month Special Adventure took a lot of people by surprise. I sure didn't expect it.
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>>2359401
>prancing la la Pride Month Special Adventure
this is overblown
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>>2359375
All the Deadfire writers hung out in a Discord echo chamber, so yes.
>>2359401
If you had read the original adventure path you would have known. Paizo's been like this for years and Wizards of the Coast joined them a few years later.
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>>2359405
As is the woke content in Deadfire, but /pol/cels must fuel their seethe
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>>2359375
Man you should go back and look at the deadfire stretch goals, they were so hair brained it was ridiculous
>wasted months adding useless VO that nobody would ever listen to
>"the more you fund us the more islands we'll add!"
>wasted time making a pen and paper version of the game
>a bunch of le companions as funding goals
>LE TALKING SWORD WAIFU
So much time wasted JUST MAKE A FUCKING GOOD GAME
https://www.fig.co/campaigns/deadfire/updates
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>>2359453
>JUST MAKE A FUCKING GOOD GAME
But they did
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>>2355387
the duality of man
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>>2359414
i didn't know anything about Paizo before this, knowing 3.5 rules was enough to get Kingmaker, so i didn't look them up
after seeing what a shitshow WotR turn out to be, i looked up the original modules, and i have say it can't all be blamed on Paizo
for example, the tranny couple have a relatively minor role and you're not encouraged in any way to keep them around. the guy is very likely to die at the campaign start and there's no repercussions for it
meanwhile in the game, those two become your de facto bosses
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>>2359482
that's what 10 years do to a nigga
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>>2359453
has Sawyer finally explained how reincarnation worked before the Engwithans tampered with it?
according to him it was cut from the final conversation because it was "too complicated for players"
that shit was more annoying to me than the woke stuff or the annoying as shit narrator
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>>2359519
It worked just not as well and had a lot of defects like hollowborns. The Engwithans thought they could improve the system and now it relies too much on it that maybe it can never go back.
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>>2358514
The fact he’s become so great at navigating the halls of power and networking kind of disproves the autism angle
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>>2359682
>The fact he’s become so great at navigating the halls of power and networking kind of disproves the autism angle
That kind of thing isn't really the same as normal interpersonal interaction though.
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>>2359453
>JUST MAKE A FUCKING GOOD GAME
It's the best game that they ever made, on a pure gameplay basis.
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>>2359453
It’s a pretty great game with a good fantasy story and quests desu
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>>2355387
Who is that a picture of behind him? It looks like a Raidou character, at the very least they're dressed like an IJA officer.
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>>2361476
It's Omen Deng from Alpha Protocol. And yes he looks like a Raidou character
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>>2357755
People are very salty with the History Autist because he leans left-wing (like most RPG devs do; after all, Black Isle and its heirs were all Californians), and made several good-to-decent games, while so far the only decent right winger game has been Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
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>>2361497
Kingdom Cum: Town
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>>2361499
Hell yeah dude
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>>2361497
Which is ironic because Daniel Vavra and Josh Sawyer are good friends. Sawyer visited him when he went to the Czech Republic, and told him about how he was thinking of starting his own studio if Kingdom Come: Deliverance was a success.
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hello sawyercucks, just dropping by to say i am still not vaxxed and i will never be vaxxed and nothing you say or believe will change this fact
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>>2361497
>muh left
>muh right
could you faggots fuck off?
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>>2361586
No.
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>>2361814
No wonder /vrpg/ is the worst board. It's just /v/ posters obsessing over ecelebs and being petty over muh right wing and muh left wing games. Literally worse than /v/, yet you'll still deny this because it's typical of RPG fanboys to think their taste is superior.
At least Reanposters shitpost, but they shitpost in good faith and fun instead of faggots like you.
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>>2361837
K
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>>2361557
Yeah, I don't even really buy into the dumb "only lefties can make good art" shit that I see online. It's more that the current culture war climate prevents right-wingers from wanting to make stuff. Forming your own studio and making a game about whatever the hell it is you want is an admittance that the cancel culture shit is largely made up and based on a dumb belief that consumption gives you any sort of power over producers in a world where supply has largely decoupled itself from demand.
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>>2361557
Imagine if he left Obsidian right before they sold to Microsoft, that would be one giant pay day to miss out on
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>>2355084
Holy based. He truly is, The Master.
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>>2361497
>>2361557
Vavra isn't right winger by conviction, he's just clever bastard that knows how to pull marketing stunts.
(also Czech left-wing / right-wing spectrum works quite different than it does in the States)
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The last time Sawyer was part of making a decent game was exactly 20 years ago.
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>>2363908
New Vegas was released in 2010, though.
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>>2363908
His best work was his latest
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>>2363908
Deadfire was only 4 years ago
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>>2355084
but the publisher often is the customer in this case aren't they?
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>>2363952
It is very weird to me how /v/ basically allowed one literal pedophile to control all conversations about Deadfire for the entirety of its release.
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>>2363952
Not that assburgers boy you replied to, but Deadfire is an objectively bad game. You might have brain problems if you believe otherwise.
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>>2363968
To be fair he was so relentless in his autism I think most everyone else checked out of the conversation and all that was left was the shitposters
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>>2363952
Based
>>2363970
Cringe
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>>2364030
No. No, I am not cringe.
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>>2363881
Didn’t Vavra also capitulate and apologize for what he said
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>>2364726
He didn't bend the knee but he did apologize for being antagonistic when it was time to sell his game to as many people as possible.
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>>2364939
Devs always apologize. Even Sawyer did with that limerick. Remember: He okayed it in the first place, and then suddenly went into kowtow mode when some tranny complained about it. It's always safer for a dev to apologize/ignore, they will always follow money.
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>>2366478
>Even Sawyer did with that limerick
Do you happen to know the limerick in question?
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>>2366565
Here lies Firedorn, a hero in bed.
He once was alive, but now he's dead.
The last woman he bedded turned out a man
And crying in shame, off a cliff he ran.
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>>2366682
It's like these people think these words are killswitches or something.
Laputan Machine.
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This is an average sized dialog tree from Pentiment. Nothing is holding him back anymore.
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>>2366682
>"Here lies Firedorn, a bard, a poet."
>"He was also a card, but most didn't know it."
>"A poem he wrote in jest was misread."
>"They asked for blood, so now he's just dead."
Seems like Obsidian was a little sour about changing it.
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>>2367576
Firedorn also appears as a bounty in White March
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>>2367522
Is he doing most of the writing or just overseeing it like he did with Fallout?
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>>2369093
He's the sole writer.
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>>2369110
It's all on him then. This game will make or break him. He intentionally chose to compare this game to Disco Elysium. Frankly I'm skeptical his writing will be good enough to earn the comparison. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
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>>2359476
>But they did
Soda in my sinuses kind of hurts, I have to remember not to read sawyerfag threads while drinking.
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>>2363970
you're a schizo and your opinion doesn't matter
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>>2369123
It doesn’t really matter. He has the backing of MS now, they will make sure it is seen, reviewed well, youtubed about and puff journo pieces will be written for it calling it as good as Disco Elysium. Sawyer is now a piece on the console war chess board and Xbots will say his game is ludo kino no matter what
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>>2370046
this is the truth
josh sawyer already won
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>>2370046
None of that will matter if the game isnt good. There are tons of high profile games that fail.
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>>2370642
It's not going for high profile though, it will be marketed and talked about as prestige. A boutique experience. Critically acclaimed and daring.
And Microsoft can always say it is a hit on gamepass.
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>>2370999
Sawyer fanboi
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>>2371312
I’m just telling you the marketing spin they are going to use brainlet and how it will work



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