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>we want coomer audiences
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>>2265369
drawing cunny is the only time I have seen Doi having good reputation in the SMT fandom
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but seriously, where is Kaneko?
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>>2265382
2/10 bait
most of the hates peDOI gets from SMT fans is for his low quality loli bait designs
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>>2265386
Remember the flower fields, anon.
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>>2265369
Yes
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*cums in this thread*
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>no Titania
>no Sophia
>no Cybele
>no Artemis
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>>2265386
>he's... he's not coming back... is he?
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>>2265369
I will now play your game
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>>2265369
So what are the new cool monsters in the roster? Im just curious, im not baiting, my pc is shit and can't emulate SMT5 so i don't know of any new additions
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>>2266056
>gives the thread an abortion
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>>2266387
>So what are the new cool monsters in the roster?
The French Werewolf
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>>2265386
The last thing he did was art for a book about Oda Nobunaga
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>>2265369
if you don't want to plow demeter's fertile fields then you're probably gay
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>>2265369
Kaneko would never!
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>>2265369
You act like they didn't have demons like this in earlier SMT games. Look at the first demon you get in Nocturne.
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>>2265369
This is why I blacklist the anime tag on steam
They appeal to your dick to cover up the lack of game
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>>2265369
Only faggots care about that.
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for me, it's Nuwa
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>>2266608
>They appeal to your dick to cover up the lack of game
life must be hard for you having neither
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There was never any real justification for making Demeter into a loli.
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>>2266387
Aitvaras
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>>2265369
>just copy the source exactly but make her a child
>just slap some idol flavor ontop of a generic european (not even scandinavian) dress clothes
All the others are perfectly fine
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>>2265369
Definitely. Not at all knocking Doi's designs but they are far less imaginative than Kaneko's and don't give off the same 'otherworldly' vibe. They're just cute/sexy anime girls in comparison, not far off from a lot of other designs being pumped out in other franchises.
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>>2266760
>>just copy the source exactly but make her a child
which one is that
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>>2266893
I think this is fine to be honest, after Persona 4 I understand that there is a necessary shift in aesthetic that can only come back around once the audience who was young when persona 4 came out gets old again.
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>>2265369
There is nothing wrong with cute and /or sexy girls.
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>>2267088
The art shift is because Kaneko is pretty much retired and/or dead. The whole guest artists for SMTIV was solely due to seeking out a replacement.
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>>2266387
>my pc is shit and can't emulate SMT5
It doesn't emulate very well right now anyway, yuzu and ryu both need to be updated.
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>>2267088
Schizo logic aside, Persona 4 came out over a decade ago, anon.
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>>2266893
>and don't give off the same 'otherworldly' vibe
I'll still take them over Amemiya. I've loved Garo ever since the original 2005 toku but his Horror designs don't work for SMT demons
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>>2266500
Not just asherah, ALL the Mothers
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>>2265369
>SNES had female demons who were straight up NAKED
>Mara and denons w/ uncensored nipples were a thing pre-Doi era
>somehow DOI is the "coomer" one
Interessing... very interessing...
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Kaneko is a post-modernist artist who did character designs to appeal to your human psyche drinking in thousands of years of artistic represantations of gods and demons.

Doi is a character designer hired to appeal to younger audiences in order to sell more games using cute anime girls and "cool" dudes like sentai Odin.
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>>2265369
The dude is hotter
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>>2267367
Not wide enough.
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>>2265369
In case you haven't been paying attention as long as a videogame has 1 (one) female in people will coom to her. Doesn't matter if she's a monster or ugly or evil or whatever. Has girl, will coom.
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>>2267195
Kaz' early 90s style of women is indeed seriously nothing to scoff at.
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>Kaneko is a post-modernist artist who did character designs to appeal to your human psyche drinking in thousands of years of artistic represantations of gods and demons.
nigger half of them were just weird colored people
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>>2267195
>Interviewer: Nekomata used to be naked in the past, but she started wearing clothes halfway through. Is it because of the latest trend to only show brief glimpses?

>Kazuma Kaneko: That’s right. I’ve grown up.
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>>2267723
>nigger half of them were just weird colored people

You aren't wrong, but they still had more charm somehow. I think another Anon was right there an otherworldliness in Kaneko's art the Doi just hasn't been able to capture.
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>>2267166
It is wrong if that's all you have to offer
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>>2266893
Couldn't have said it better.
Unironically just look at Artemis' other designs and compare them with Doi's.
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>>2267184
The issue with Amemiya is that there's no real rhyme or reason to those designs, they're weird solely for the sake of being weird, just like Demeter is a loli solely for the sake of being a loli
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Kaneko appreciation thread
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>>2266500
Tbf, it's a game about MILFs.
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>>2265369
>pic
Cleopatra is the best design of the lot.

Take that as you will.
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>>2267195
Considering that Kaneko was more concerned about scaring you with a lot of them instead of making you cooming, yes, it is very interesting.
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>>2267919
>Demeter is a loli
I wanted to kill something when discovering that.

It's the same game where motherfucking Zeus' new design is for fuck sake.
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>>2267957
>no one posted Metatron
But oh well. you posted this, so you're fine anon.
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>>2267723
Even still, the weird colored people like Micheal referenced real statues of the source material. Gabriel was turned female because Kaneko sincerely thought it was more accurate to the source material after reading some bad sources claiming Gabriel was a female angel.
Say what you will but he did care about the things he was illustrating, any other franchise would turn him female just for the sake of having extra coom material, and Gabby isn't that.
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>>2267972
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>>2267947
you do know that short people exist irl right
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>>2267974
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>>2267976
Does this look like fucking short to you
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>>2267972
>>2267974
>>2267978
If you don't like those, you are in fact, handicaped and should be terminated for the good of the world.
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>>2267947
She's also in the same game as her daughter
>>2267976
Cope
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>>2267978
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>>2267986
Well if we compare lolis I think Alice wins the creepy vibe contest against the goddess of harvest
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>>2267997
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Doi appreciation thread
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>>2268003
Doi DO make some great design. Like Zeus and Odin.

He also make some terrible ones.
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>>2268024
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>>2267960
yeah, definitely not "coomer" tier here
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>>2268030
>>2268034
but don't you feel doi it's missing the profane beauty of demons? you are welcome to post your favorite designs
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>>2268036
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>>2268030
if what
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>>2268034
>actively most of them
>which are precisely not 'coom'
>focus on the one from the gamy about mommyhood
The bait is weak.
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>>2268040
Persona was better at the times.
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>>2268042
even in coom, I feel scared in a good bad way
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>>2268036
oh kaneko is 100% superior to doi and in a general sense has a unique art style that other "anime" drawers cannot replicate, he's up there with miura and the author of blame! in terms of uniqueness
also my favorite deisgn is unironically the protag of smt strange journey
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>>2268045
ANTHONY LOOK OUT!
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>>2268009
>He also make some terrible ones.
Like Zeus and Odin.
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>>2268066
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>>2268066
it took me more than 10 years to notice this was an alien 9 reference
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>>2268041
Imagine If NINE Raidou Kuzonoha Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series.
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>>2265369
I love coom designs and I would love all my favourite games even more if they had coom designs.
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>>2268069
You know what, I'm done dumping I'm getting depressed at what we have lost.
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>>2268069
GOAT
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>>2267362
>>2268089
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>>2268068
Bullshit. Thoses are awesome.
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>>2267082
I’m exaggerating, but demeter. She’s holding the same things as the source Doi copied in exactly the same way
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shouldn't have dumped on the new archangels so hard
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>>2268105
but they looked like shit
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>>2268105
Eh, I liked their otherwordly appearance.

Which was fucking jarring when compared to the other angels.
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>>2268105
>>2268111
they're great, they're meant to look like incomprehensible monsters
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>>2268112
Nah, just overdesigned nonsense in a fucking 3ds screen
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>>2268115
>t.no soul, can't create anything himself
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>>2268128
here you go, a rough sketch of a doi design, I've already copyrighted it though so don't try to steal it hehe ;)
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>>2268112
A bit too on the nose, don't you think? The angels resembled the popular depictions of them in art as beautiful, serene, and heroic because they're meant to appear as benevolent in comparison to demons, which is subverted when they take actions that are arguably just as bad or worse. Making them ayylmao monstrosities throws that all away, no one in their right mind would want anything to do with them just based on that. And yes it does clash with the Bible parts where angels are clearly attractive enough to put people at ease and drive sodomites into a lustful frenzy.
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>>2268272
>penis
that's a kaneko design
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Is it a coincidence that most of the best Demons are barefoot ladies?
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>>2265369
I will buy your game only if my player character can COOOOM into some of the hot demonesses. Otherwise you're just wasting my time.
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>>2265386
Kaneko doesn't even like drawing. He did it as a career but now he is promoted to levels where he doesn't have to do it anymore
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>>2268009
Doi Zues is trash. Odin is ok. Mannangal and Fionn MacCumhaill are some of of doi's better designs imo.
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>>2268034
The difference is that kaneko at least made the sexier demons appropriately alien and unfamiliar. Doi just likes using that as an excuse to draw cute anime girls. Kaneko designs subvert expectations a lot more. Just look at mermaid, it's a very generic representation of a mermaid with some flaming skulls around her. I do think that Doi is getting better and his SMTV designs are overall better than anything he's done before.
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>>2266387
It's getting a PC port next year according to the Nvidia leak.
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What did you think of Shekinah?
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>>2268272
I just don't see the appeal of Doi's demons, they're over-the-top and almost cartoonish. It's typical shounen shit.

Now here is a Kaneko original, you can see just how much care he gives to the source material.
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>>2269297
Soul

Captcha YWNVW
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>>2265369
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For dudes who have gotten the secret ending. Does it check for quest completion or if you can fuse the demons? I did the required quests right before NG+ after my choice was locked in. So idk if I have to do the quests again in NG+ to get the ending.
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>>2268112
they're literally not, angels are given very specific descriptions in the bible and none of them are "incomprehensible". the amemiya angels look like literally every other amemiya design so you can't even say it's intentional, the man just exudes designs like that by default
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>>2269338
Yes, bizarre is not incomprehensible. A wheel covered in eyes? Bizarre. But I'm sure if you asked some random fuckers in the streets to draw it for you'd they'd be able to comprehend the concept of it.
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>>2267870
>tone-down the coom
>gets replaced by doi as result
kanekeks still coping I see
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>>2265369
you forgot one
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>>2265369
I like these AND Kaneko's classics. What does that make me?
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>demon shape is decided by humanity's collective consciousness
>demeter looks like a little girl with v-opening on her flat chest
What did Stephen meant by this
>>2269527
A functional, not overly-autistic, human being
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Why is Kaneko's disappearance such a mystery? We saw the flower fields and then... we never saw Kaneko again. What REALLY happened out there?
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>>2268935
Misinterpreted quote. He likes drawing but for a purpose. He stepped down to let new blood take over so now hes just chilling.
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>>2267911
Just like it's wrong if all you can offer is SURREALISM
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>>2269591
Don't bother, its one of these pretentious "too d33p for u" neckbeards
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>>2269114
Huh, I never got a close look at what's between the cracks. Love it.
I doubt anyone can replicate his designs, Doi draws really well but his stuff is a lot more generic, guess that's the way the series is going from here.
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>>2265369
3/6 do not have boobs or ass, also the character design is soulless.
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>>2269527
A weeb that just happened to get into SMT, you could easily fall for the Fate, Genshin or Azur Lane gachashit.
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>>2269563
I guess he moved to greener pastures
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>>2269591
It isn't just surrealism if the imagery serves a purpose
>>2267984
Persephone's split design is real but has a reason here
Demeter being a loli does not. People tried to justify it as narrative reasons in Redux, but she's still the same in V.
No one can really defend it anymore and they've all given up, just say you like loli and cute girls. Which is totally fine, but don't think you're not slurping up watered-down rejected Fate designs.
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>>2269759
And that's supposed to be a bad thing how?
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>>2269759
Not that anon, but why? Those don't even have gameplay.
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>>2269831
>It isn't just surrealism if the imagery serves a purpose
And if the purpose is to solely appeal to a specific audience, in this case being deepfags, then it's still shallow pandering no matter how avant-garde the designs are. You are the equivalent of annoying and pretentious modern art shitters. Hope that beret doesn't cut off the circulation of your brain.
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>>2269831
>I-Is that a little girl? Aaaahhh I'M GOING INSANE KANEKEK SAVE MEEEEE!!!
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>>2269878
All art is pandering then who the fuck cares
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>>2269878
>And if the purpose is to solely appeal to a specific audience
you can make an argument that demeter was designed to pander to lolifags in the 2020s. you can't do that for Persephone in the 1990s. there's no such thing as "Deepfags".
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>>2266755
This guy looks like a pokemon and that's a good thing
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Threads like these only prove my hypothesis that Doi is the Nomura of Atlus
Whether that's a good or a bad thing is up to you, and I'm not gonna say what my opinion is
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>>2270994
The issue is one group thinking they're superior. Double standards.
>>2271015
>there's no such thing as "Deepfags"
>let's pretend the group I'm in doesn't exist.
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>>2271485
>I'm not gonna say what my opinion is
We already know because you used that joke of a clown as a comparison.
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>>2271489
>The issue is one group thinking they're superior
is this wrong, though?
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>>2271489
>And if the purpose is to solely appeal to a specific audience
Soul Hackers came out in 1997 as a Japan-only game. How was it "pandering" to a fanbase that only later discovered SMT? You might as well say cave paintings were pandering to anthropologists or dinosaurs dying and leaving skeletons were pandering to archeologists, you fucking moron.
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>>2271498
At the end of the day everyone being pandered to is on the same base desire of being satisfied so leave the pretentions behind.
>>2271500
Your strawmen mean nothing.
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>>2271502
respond to his argument or kill yourself faggot
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>>2271504
He doesn't HAVE an argument, he's a lolifaggot baiting. Broadening the definition of "pandering" to be so meaningless that he sidesteps having to argue what is or isn't pandering. His non-argument ignores cause and effect, the existence of time, intent and result etc.
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>>2271489
Are these "deepfags" in the room with us right now?
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>>2271504
Why should I and why are you sucking his cock?

>>2271506
>Kanekuck thinking he is some higher being, failing to realize he's just like the rest of us.
Remember your lord and savior fucked off without a trace. He doesn't care about you.
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>>2271506
What a handsome yakuza thug.
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>>2271509
>Kaneko is pandering to deepfags!
>But also he isn't because he literally stopped working when people started appreciating his work!
lmao, lol
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>>2271558
>Misconstrues my posts
Stay retarded.
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How did even this thread devolve into the same
>us vs them
garbage?
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>>2271575
SMTrannies are retarded.
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>>2271485
doi is much better than nomura thought, it's not like he's filling position he's not fit for
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>>2271478
very time it's his turn to do an attack or something, he does a sick little drift. What a cool chicken.
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>>2265369
The fact that Iduun have fucking Idol mannerism gave me mild cancer.
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>>2267945
Why yes, chinese butterfly girl, bondage angel and blue-skinned babe are very scary
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>>2271575
>devolve into the same us vs them
This is exactly what OP intended kiddo
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>this entire thread
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>>2271489
>The issue is one group thinking they're superior.
True, it's sad someone would invent a caricature of the people they're arguing with ("deepfags") just because they don't like their opinions and can't argue for shit. They should humble themselves and admit they just like cute animu designs or are just shitposting.
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Pretentious. Little. Dipshit.
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>>2267926
Never realized how long Apsaras' legs look. Weird.
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>>2272880
Tbf, that was a redesign.

I think bondage angel are fucking cool though
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>>2265369
Most adults still playing videogames are coomers, though, so I don't mind.
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>>2268105
Honestly, they looked like microwaved tokusatsu figmas. Still, I actually appreciated Atlus trying out new stuff with the guest artists, even if it was because the execs demanded for the game to appeal to a wider audience. Too much SOUL usually gets you bankrupt.
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>>2269563
The Japanese do enjoy their privacy. If he croaks, we'll only get to know several months after the fact.
>>2269048
>PC and PS4 ports MIGHT be on the way
Aw, yiss. Now I'm glad I didn't buy a switch just for this.
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>>2273061
You're the ones who whine about the designs in the first place.
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>>2269563
I gave him a million dollars and he went on vacation
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>>2271636
MegaTrannies. They're all certifiably insane. No other fandom has this much infighting.
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>>2268078
>waifufag demons
Hmmmm? Kanekucks, can you explain yourselves?
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>>2271492
Except Nomura is one of the most soulful artists ever.
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>>2268069
> YKIHTDITHVH
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>>2273788
>Posting the bygone era Nomura
This Nomura is no more.
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>>2265369
>We want the largest audience in the world
Yes
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I want to use Amanozako as a cocksleeve
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CERO would force their equivalent of an AO rating if they showed nipples today and that would kill sales potential. That's why Artemis isn't wearing a boob sweater anymore.
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Newsflash: OP is a faggot
More news at 69AM
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>>2265369
>coomer audiences are actually musturbating to pokemon dogs and rabbits
sucks to be a nintendo exclusive
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I don't care what everyone else says, I think kaneko's designs are ugly. his human characters all look like trannies and half of his demons are just random weird shit instead of whatever you expect them to look like. his devil trigger designs for dmc are ugly too.
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>>2273694
"waifu" doesn't mean anything other than "a female someone, somewhere, might find attractive". it's a pointless buzzword.
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>>2265369
>it's another tendies PLEASE BUY THIS GAME IT HAS WAIFUS
Funny when they were the ones sending cold steel and Danganronpa waifus threads out of /v/ lmao
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you forgot nahobino, miyazu and nekomata tho
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>>2277844
Quiet. We can't have them breaking the Kanekeck narrative.
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>>2277844
>nekomata
fish
fish
fish
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>>2277167
If it is a attractive fictional female, its someone's waifu.
It is just a term for "female character I would marry"
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>>2267887
The NES and SNES sprites do not have that otherworldness, they actually look pretty mundane. What sets them apart is that they look dark and/or sinister, compare and contrast the pitch black face with glowing beedy eyes with Doi's stuff and its clear that they do not fit the dark tone of Kaneko's stuff. If Doi could at least capture that 90's feel a little more then i'd be okay with it.
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>>2277167
Tell that to retards whinning about doi's "waifu" designs
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The only bad thing about Doi's demons is that many if them loom too human. Sexy demon chicks are cool but c'mon man at least give them a otherworldly and unnatural skin tone like blue and red, or eerie scary glowing eyes
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>>2278065
this is why I hate kaneko's designs. why is odin purple? why is ashera striped? we have surviving statues of what people thought diana looked like, but fuck that let's give her a hat made out of tits. it's just weird for the sake of weird.
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>>2273256
And you handle that "whining" like a total bitch.
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>>2279327
Gotta call out the hypocrisy one way or another faggot.
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>>2268006
Conceptualize
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>>2277907
I killed King Frost for her bros....
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>>2268105
After seeing what Doi did in V with the Nahobinos and Lucifer these aren't so bad
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>>2279319
>we have surviving statues of what people thought diana looked like, but fuck that let's give her a hat made out of tits
and guess where the tits came from
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>>2280847
Diana's statue weared a hat made of tits?
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>>2273812
Still draws nice art, but his style went down the shitter after FFX.
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>>2281101
kaneko was really on another level
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>>2279319
>it's just weird for the sake of weird.
Because real mythology is weird. Christ even Fatefags complain when Cu is given his methodologically accurate glowing tattoo.
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>>2281688
Do fatefags even care about where their characters beyond coom





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