>we want coomer audiences
>>2265369drawing cunny is the only time I have seen Doi having good reputation in the SMT fandom
but seriously, where is Kaneko?
>>22653822/10 baitmost of the hates peDOI gets from SMT fans is for his low quality loli bait designs
>>2265386Remember the flower fields, anon.
*cums in this thread*
>no Titania>no Sophia>no Cybele>no Artemis
>>2265386>he's... he's not coming back... is he?
>>2265369I will now play your game
>>2265369So what are the new cool monsters in the roster? Im just curious, im not baiting, my pc is shit and can't emulate SMT5 so i don't know of any new additions
>>2266056>gives the thread an abortion
>>2266387>So what are the new cool monsters in the roster?The French Werewolf
>>2265386The last thing he did was art for a book about Oda Nobunaga
>>2265369if you don't want to plow demeter's fertile fields then you're probably gay
>>2265369Kaneko would never!
>>2265369You act like they didn't have demons like this in earlier SMT games. Look at the first demon you get in Nocturne.
>>2265369This is why I blacklist the anime tag on steamThey appeal to your dick to cover up the lack of game
>>2265369Only faggots care about that.
for me, it's Nuwa
>>2266608>They appeal to your dick to cover up the lack of gamelife must be hard for you having neither
There was never any real justification for making Demeter into a loli.
>>2265369>just copy the source exactly but make her a child>just slap some idol flavor ontop of a generic european (not even scandinavian) dress clothesAll the others are perfectly fine
>>2265369Definitely. Not at all knocking Doi's designs but they are far less imaginative than Kaneko's and don't give off the same 'otherworldly' vibe. They're just cute/sexy anime girls in comparison, not far off from a lot of other designs being pumped out in other franchises.
>>2266760>>just copy the source exactly but make her a childwhich one is that
>>2266893I think this is fine to be honest, after Persona 4 I understand that there is a necessary shift in aesthetic that can only come back around once the audience who was young when persona 4 came out gets old again.
>>2265369There is nothing wrong with cute and /or sexy girls.
>>2267088The art shift is because Kaneko is pretty much retired and/or dead. The whole guest artists for SMTIV was solely due to seeking out a replacement.
>>2266387>my pc is shit and can't emulate SMT5It doesn't emulate very well right now anyway, yuzu and ryu both need to be updated.
>>2267088Schizo logic aside, Persona 4 came out over a decade ago, anon.
>>2266893>and don't give off the same 'otherworldly' vibeI'll still take them over Amemiya. I've loved Garo ever since the original 2005 toku but his Horror designs don't work for SMT demons
>>2266500Not just asherah, ALL the Mothers
>>2265369>SNES had female demons who were straight up NAKED>Mara and denons w/ uncensored nipples were a thing pre-Doi era>somehow DOI is the "coomer" oneInteressing... very interessing...
Kaneko is a post-modernist artist who did character designs to appeal to your human psyche drinking in thousands of years of artistic represantations of gods and demons.Doi is a character designer hired to appeal to younger audiences in order to sell more games using cute anime girls and "cool" dudes like sentai Odin.
>>2265369 The dude is hotter
>>2267367Not wide enough.
>>2265369In case you haven't been paying attention as long as a videogame has 1 (one) female in people will coom to her. Doesn't matter if she's a monster or ugly or evil or whatever. Has girl, will coom.
>>2267195Kaz' early 90s style of women is indeed seriously nothing to scoff at.
>>2267362>Kaneko is a post-modernist artist who did character designs to appeal to your human psyche drinking in thousands of years of artistic represantations of gods and demons.nigger half of them were just weird colored people
>>2267195>Interviewer: Nekomata used to be naked in the past, but she started wearing clothes halfway through. Is it because of the latest trend to only show brief glimpses?>Kazuma Kaneko: That’s right. I’ve grown up.
>>2267723>nigger half of them were just weird colored peopleYou aren't wrong, but they still had more charm somehow. I think another Anon was right there an otherworldliness in Kaneko's art the Doi just hasn't been able to capture.
>>2267166It is wrong if that's all you have to offer
>>2266893Couldn't have said it better. Unironically just look at Artemis' other designs and compare them with Doi's.
>>2267184The issue with Amemiya is that there's no real rhyme or reason to those designs, they're weird solely for the sake of being weird, just like Demeter is a loli solely for the sake of being a loli
Kaneko appreciation thread
>>2266500Tbf, it's a game about MILFs.
>>2265369>picCleopatra is the best design of the lot.Take that as you will.
>>2267195Considering that Kaneko was more concerned about scaring you with a lot of them instead of making you cooming, yes, it is very interesting.
>>2267919>Demeter is a loliI wanted to kill something when discovering that.It's the same game where motherfucking Zeus' new design is for fuck sake.
>>2267957>no one posted MetatronBut oh well. you posted this, so you're fine anon.
>>2267723Even still, the weird colored people like Micheal referenced real statues of the source material. Gabriel was turned female because Kaneko sincerely thought it was more accurate to the source material after reading some bad sources claiming Gabriel was a female angel.Say what you will but he did care about the things he was illustrating, any other franchise would turn him female just for the sake of having extra coom material, and Gabby isn't that.
>>2267947you do know that short people exist irl right
>>2267976Does this look like fucking short to you
>>2267972>>2267974>>2267978If you don't like those, you are in fact, handicaped and should be terminated for the good of the world.
>>2267947She's also in the same game as her daughter >>2267976Cope
>>2267986Well if we compare lolis I think Alice wins the creepy vibe contest against the goddess of harvest
Doi appreciation thread
>>2268003Doi DO make some great design. Like Zeus and Odin.He also make some terrible ones.
>>2267960yeah, definitely not "coomer" tier here
>>2268030>>2268034but don't you feel doi it's missing the profane beauty of demons? you are welcome to post your favorite designs
>>2268034>actively most of them>which are precisely not 'coom'>focus on the one from the gamy about mommyhoodThe bait is weak.
>>2268040Persona was better at the times.
>>2268042even in coom, I feel scared in a good bad way
>>2268036oh kaneko is 100% superior to doi and in a general sense has a unique art style that other "anime" drawers cannot replicate, he's up there with miura and the author of blame! in terms of uniquenessalso my favorite deisgn is unironically the protag of smt strange journey
>>2268045ANTHONY LOOK OUT!
>>2268009>He also make some terrible ones.Like Zeus and Odin.
>>2268066it took me more than 10 years to notice this was an alien 9 reference
>>2268041Imagine If NINE Raidou Kuzonoha Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series.
>>2265369I love coom designs and I would love all my favourite games even more if they had coom designs.
>>2268069You know what, I'm done dumping I'm getting depressed at what we have lost.
>>2268068Bullshit. Thoses are awesome.
>>2267082I’m exaggerating, but demeter. She’s holding the same things as the source Doi copied in exactly the same way
shouldn't have dumped on the new archangels so hard
>>2268105but they looked like shit
>>2268105Eh, I liked their otherwordly appearance.Which was fucking jarring when compared to the other angels.
>>2268105>>2268111they're great, they're meant to look like incomprehensible monsters
>>2268112Nah, just overdesigned nonsense in a fucking 3ds screen
>>2268115>t.no soul, can't create anything himself
>>2268128here you go, a rough sketch of a doi design, I've already copyrighted it though so don't try to steal it hehe ;)
>>2268112A bit too on the nose, don't you think? The angels resembled the popular depictions of them in art as beautiful, serene, and heroic because they're meant to appear as benevolent in comparison to demons, which is subverted when they take actions that are arguably just as bad or worse. Making them ayylmao monstrosities throws that all away, no one in their right mind would want anything to do with them just based on that. And yes it does clash with the Bible parts where angels are clearly attractive enough to put people at ease and drive sodomites into a lustful frenzy.
>>2268272>penisthat's a kaneko design
Is it a coincidence that most of the best Demons are barefoot ladies?
>>2265369I will buy your game only if my player character can COOOOM into some of the hot demonesses. Otherwise you're just wasting my time.
>>2265386Kaneko doesn't even like drawing. He did it as a career but now he is promoted to levels where he doesn't have to do it anymore
>>2268009Doi Zues is trash. Odin is ok. Mannangal and Fionn MacCumhaill are some of of doi's better designs imo.
>>2268034The difference is that kaneko at least made the sexier demons appropriately alien and unfamiliar. Doi just likes using that as an excuse to draw cute anime girls. Kaneko designs subvert expectations a lot more. Just look at mermaid, it's a very generic representation of a mermaid with some flaming skulls around her. I do think that Doi is getting better and his SMTV designs are overall better than anything he's done before.
>>2266387It's getting a PC port next year according to the Nvidia leak.
What did you think of Shekinah?
>>2268272 I just don't see the appeal of Doi's demons, they're over-the-top and almost cartoonish. It's typical shounen shit.Now here is a Kaneko original, you can see just how much care he gives to the source material.
For dudes who have gotten the secret ending. Does it check for quest completion or if you can fuse the demons? I did the required quests right before NG+ after my choice was locked in. So idk if I have to do the quests again in NG+ to get the ending.
>>2268112they're literally not, angels are given very specific descriptions in the bible and none of them are "incomprehensible". the amemiya angels look like literally every other amemiya design so you can't even say it's intentional, the man just exudes designs like that by default
>>2269338Yes, bizarre is not incomprehensible. A wheel covered in eyes? Bizarre. But I'm sure if you asked some random fuckers in the streets to draw it for you'd they'd be able to comprehend the concept of it.
>>2267870>tone-down the coom>gets replaced by doi as resultkanekeks still coping I see
>>2265369you forgot one
>>2265369I like these AND Kaneko's classics. What does that make me?
>demon shape is decided by humanity's collective consciousness>demeter looks like a little girl with v-opening on her flat chestWhat did Stephen meant by this>>2269527A functional, not overly-autistic, human being
Why is Kaneko's disappearance such a mystery? We saw the flower fields and then... we never saw Kaneko again. What REALLY happened out there?
>>2268935Misinterpreted quote. He likes drawing but for a purpose. He stepped down to let new blood take over so now hes just chilling.
>>2267911Just like it's wrong if all you can offer is SURREALISM
>>2269591Don't bother, its one of these pretentious "too d33p for u" neckbeards
>>2269114Huh, I never got a close look at what's between the cracks. Love it.I doubt anyone can replicate his designs, Doi draws really well but his stuff is a lot more generic, guess that's the way the series is going from here.
>>22653693/6 do not have boobs or ass, also the character design is soulless.
>>2269527A weeb that just happened to get into SMT, you could easily fall for the Fate, Genshin or Azur Lane gachashit.
>>2269563I guess he moved to greener pastures
>>2269591It isn't just surrealism if the imagery serves a purpose>>2267984Persephone's split design is real but has a reason hereDemeter being a loli does not. People tried to justify it as narrative reasons in Redux, but she's still the same in V. No one can really defend it anymore and they've all given up, just say you like loli and cute girls. Which is totally fine, but don't think you're not slurping up watered-down rejected Fate designs.
>>2269759And that's supposed to be a bad thing how?
>>2269759Not that anon, but why? Those don't even have gameplay.
>>2269831>It isn't just surrealism if the imagery serves a purposeAnd if the purpose is to solely appeal to a specific audience, in this case being deepfags, then it's still shallow pandering no matter how avant-garde the designs are. You are the equivalent of annoying and pretentious modern art shitters. Hope that beret doesn't cut off the circulation of your brain.
>>2269831>I-Is that a little girl? Aaaahhh I'M GOING INSANE KANEKEK SAVE MEEEEE!!!
>>2269878All art is pandering then who the fuck cares
>>2269878>And if the purpose is to solely appeal to a specific audienceyou can make an argument that demeter was designed to pander to lolifags in the 2020s. you can't do that for Persephone in the 1990s. there's no such thing as "Deepfags".
>>2266755This guy looks like a pokemon and that's a good thing
Threads like these only prove my hypothesis that Doi is the Nomura of AtlusWhether that's a good or a bad thing is up to you, and I'm not gonna say what my opinion is
>>2270994The issue is one group thinking they're superior. Double standards.>>2271015>there's no such thing as "Deepfags">let's pretend the group I'm in doesn't exist.
>>2271485>I'm not gonna say what my opinion isWe already know because you used that joke of a clown as a comparison.
>>2271489>The issue is one group thinking they're superioris this wrong, though?
>>2271489>And if the purpose is to solely appeal to a specific audienceSoul Hackers came out in 1997 as a Japan-only game. How was it "pandering" to a fanbase that only later discovered SMT? You might as well say cave paintings were pandering to anthropologists or dinosaurs dying and leaving skeletons were pandering to archeologists, you fucking moron.
>>2271498At the end of the day everyone being pandered to is on the same base desire of being satisfied so leave the pretentions behind.>>2271500Your strawmen mean nothing.
>>2271502respond to his argument or kill yourself faggot
>>2271504He doesn't HAVE an argument, he's a lolifaggot baiting. Broadening the definition of "pandering" to be so meaningless that he sidesteps having to argue what is or isn't pandering. His non-argument ignores cause and effect, the existence of time, intent and result etc.
>>2271489Are these "deepfags" in the room with us right now?
>>2271504Why should I and why are you sucking his cock? >>2271506>Kanekuck thinking he is some higher being, failing to realize he's just like the rest of us.Remember your lord and savior fucked off without a trace. He doesn't care about you.
>>2271506What a handsome yakuza thug.
>>2271509>Kaneko is pandering to deepfags!>But also he isn't because he literally stopped working when people started appreciating his work!lmao, lol
>>2271558>Misconstrues my postsStay retarded.
How did even this thread devolve into the same>us vs themgarbage?
>>2271575SMTrannies are retarded.
>>2271485doi is much better than nomura thought, it's not like he's filling position he's not fit for
>>2271478very time it's his turn to do an attack or something, he does a sick little drift. What a cool chicken.
>>2265369The fact that Iduun have fucking Idol mannerism gave me mild cancer.
>>2267945Why yes, chinese butterfly girl, bondage angel and blue-skinned babe are very scary
>>2271575>devolve into the same us vs themThis is exactly what OP intended kiddo
>this entire thread
>>2271489>The issue is one group thinking they're superior.True, it's sad someone would invent a caricature of the people they're arguing with ("deepfags") just because they don't like their opinions and can't argue for shit. They should humble themselves and admit they just like cute animu designs or are just shitposting.
Pretentious. Little. Dipshit.
>>2267926Never realized how long Apsaras' legs look. Weird.
>>2272880Tbf, that was a redesign.I think bondage angel are fucking cool though
>>2265369Most adults still playing videogames are coomers, though, so I don't mind.
>>2268105Honestly, they looked like microwaved tokusatsu figmas. Still, I actually appreciated Atlus trying out new stuff with the guest artists, even if it was because the execs demanded for the game to appeal to a wider audience. Too much SOUL usually gets you bankrupt.
>>2269563The Japanese do enjoy their privacy. If he croaks, we'll only get to know several months after the fact.>>2269048>PC and PS4 ports MIGHT be on the wayAw, yiss. Now I'm glad I didn't buy a switch just for this.
>>2273061You're the ones who whine about the designs in the first place.
>>2269563I gave him a million dollars and he went on vacation
>>2271636MegaTrannies. They're all certifiably insane. No other fandom has this much infighting.
>>2267926>>2267931>>2267942>>2267948>>2267960>>2267986>>2267992>>2268006>>2268066>>2268078>waifufag demonsHmmmm? Kanekucks, can you explain yourselves?
>>2271492Except Nomura is one of the most soulful artists ever.
>>2273788>Posting the bygone era NomuraThis Nomura is no more.
>>2265369>We want the largest audience in the worldYes
I want to use Amanozako as a cocksleeve
CERO would force their equivalent of an AO rating if they showed nipples today and that would kill sales potential. That's why Artemis isn't wearing a boob sweater anymore.
Newsflash: OP is a faggotMore news at 69AM
>>2265369>coomer audiences are actually musturbating to pokemon dogs and rabbitssucks to be a nintendo exclusive
I don't care what everyone else says, I think kaneko's designs are ugly. his human characters all look like trannies and half of his demons are just random weird shit instead of whatever you expect them to look like. his devil trigger designs for dmc are ugly too.
>>2273694"waifu" doesn't mean anything other than "a female someone, somewhere, might find attractive". it's a pointless buzzword.
>>2265369>it's another tendies PLEASE BUY THIS GAME IT HAS WAIFUSFunny when they were the ones sending cold steel and Danganronpa waifus threads out of /v/ lmao
you forgot nahobino, miyazu and nekomata tho
>>2277844Quiet. We can't have them breaking the Kanekeck narrative.
>>2277167If it is a attractive fictional female, its someone's waifu.It is just a term for "female character I would marry"
>>2267887The NES and SNES sprites do not have that otherworldness, they actually look pretty mundane. What sets them apart is that they look dark and/or sinister, compare and contrast the pitch black face with glowing beedy eyes with Doi's stuff and its clear that they do not fit the dark tone of Kaneko's stuff. If Doi could at least capture that 90's feel a little more then i'd be okay with it.
>>2277167Tell that to retards whinning about doi's "waifu" designs
The only bad thing about Doi's demons is that many if them loom too human. Sexy demon chicks are cool but c'mon man at least give them a otherworldly and unnatural skin tone like blue and red, or eerie scary glowing eyes
>>2278065this is why I hate kaneko's designs. why is odin purple? why is ashera striped? we have surviving statues of what people thought diana looked like, but fuck that let's give her a hat made out of tits. it's just weird for the sake of weird.
>>2273256And you handle that "whining" like a total bitch.
>>2279327Gotta call out the hypocrisy one way or another faggot.
>>2277907I killed King Frost for her bros....
>>2268105After seeing what Doi did in V with the Nahobinos and Lucifer these aren't so bad
>>2279319>we have surviving statues of what people thought diana looked like, but fuck that let's give her a hat made out of titsand guess where the tits came from
>>2280847Diana's statue weared a hat made of tits?
>>2273812Still draws nice art, but his style went down the shitter after FFX.
>>2281101kaneko was really on another level
>>2279319>it's just weird for the sake of weird.Because real mythology is weird. Christ even Fatefags complain when Cu is given his methodologically accurate glowing tattoo.
>>2281688Do fatefags even care about where their characters beyond coom