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Has anyone played these? What did you think?
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>>2054141
Dragonfall very good, Hong Kong good, Returns meh
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>>2054141
I haven't played Returns, but I thought Dragonfall was decent, and Hong Kong was pretty good.
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>>2054141
Haven't played the others, but I'm about 6 hours into Hong Kong and it's good. Not great or anything - it's extremely linear and simplistic in a lot of ways - but a decently enjoyable turn-based isometric RPG that has a more unique setting than the bog-standard Tolkien-esque high-fantasy junk. It's very wordy - arguably you spend way more time reading than actually playing - but the writing is usually good enough that I don't get bored.
I'd recommend it if it's on sale and you don't have much else to play. A solid 6.5/10, so far.
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>>2054141
I only finished Hong Kong, it was fantastic.
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>>2054141
Returns was meh, Dragonfall was good and Hong Kong was great.
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>>2054141
Both HK and DF are fantastic, easy 9/10 if you enjoy the genre and setting. Returns feels like a prototype game, very short, and very limited. Still worth starting off worth just because the story is good and it'll introduce you to the systems.
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SHOTGUN SIGMAS WHERE THE FUCK YUOU NIGGERS ATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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>>2054141
My expectations were based on the SNES Shadowrun game so they didn't scratch that itch in any way really. Aside from having Jake Armitage appear in the first game.
I don't like the design/aesthetic. Combat is very simplistic. Hub feels empty. Cyberspace combat is the worst part of every game.
I did like upgrading my characters with cyberware. There's tons of dialogue and the worldbuilding is very competent (it's made by the creator of Shadowrun). Mediocre overall but I played all of them.
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>>2054386
for me, it's riggers
get drone control 6, two S class drones and shit on everything
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>>2054386
Shotgunfags are busy getting dunked on by non-shit builds.
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>>2054141
>be Shaman
>fuck all spots to summon spirits from
They got better at this in Hong Kong specifically, but Jesus Christ did Returns just forget shamans existed.
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>>2054141
if you intend to play be a mage. it's the only career not covered by companions in any game.
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I liked Hong Kong the most. Dragonfall was cool as well but it felt very padded. I adore Returns too, because plot keeps escalating with each completed quest into something genuinely weird.
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>>2054141
Dragonfall and Hong Kong are ok, but pretty limited RPGs.
Since there aren't a lot of sci-fi or cyberpunk RPGs, these ones are some of your best bets in this regard.
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>>2054386
I prefer martial adepts myself, not enough games let you be a muscle wizard.
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>>2054141
Dragonfall good, Hong Kong very good, Returns meh
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>>2054141
Returns is bad compared to the rest; still playable but a lot of the elements are underdeveloped.
Other two are great.
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>>2054141
Bad, boring, gay. Only worthwhile if you really like the setting.
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>>2054796
I just did an HK martial adept and while it was fine, it felt a little too MAD for too little payoff. You can make a similar melee style character with cyberware and be less MAD, or use Gauchu who has more interesting and varied abilities.

>>2054610
By contrast, my HK mage run was fantastic. It feels the least MAD and working around Dragon Lines and the varied spells feels great. Chain Lightning is amazing.
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Returns was the first and thus has the least amount of options. It's still decent if you like the setting, but Dragonfall and Hong Kong blow it out of the water. I never looked much into the player made modules, but there might be a decent one or two.
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Is your MC the same in these games and are the storylines connected between games?
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>>2055106
they're all standalone with some small references
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>>2054141
i was looking to get into the series, should i play Return or can i skip it?
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>>2055151
I recommend playing the mod that imports the game to Hong Kong's engine. It's funner though the story's still shit. Dragonfall is a must play.
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>>2054141
pozzed
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>>2054141
DF/HK are solid B+ games
I have a soft spot for Returns but most people probably don't
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>>2054141
Good games, dragonfall is the best.
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>>2054141
They're alright for a single playthrough given that they're not all that long. They're all rather bare bones and don't have much good combat other than the end of Dragonfall and the Hong Kong DLC.
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>>2055259
It's a good intro.
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Watching the Altered Carbon anime-esque movie got me in the mood for shadowrun again. Thinking of playing Hong Kong because of the Yakuza shit. Don't know which playstyle to go with.
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>>2054141
Bland as fuck. UI and combat is hurting from early gen unity implementation, but it's the story that simply not good enough.
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>>2054141
Did you play Baldur's Gate? If yes, then: BG1=Returns, BG2=Dragonfall, BG3=Honk Gong.
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>>2054141
Surprisingly good, all three of them. If you want to try Returns, do so with the mod that’s available for Hong Kong.
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dragonfall 9/10
hong kong 8/10
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>>2054586
Drones hit hard but they miss a fucking lot.
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>>2056314
The fact you can have two of them makes up for that
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>>2055752
What mod?
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>>2055659
You will get such companions: shooty guy, melee guy, shaman, rigger and decker.
I don't recommend to play as not combat oriented guy because in the late game you would need to dish out as much damage as possible. My first playthrough was with plain shooty guy with assault rifle and it was still fun.
Is0bel is the worst character in that game.
Don't forget about very satisfying epilogue campaign which imports your cleared save.
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>>2054141
Dead Man's Switch was a proof-of-concept tech demo. A decent game, but simple and short.

Hong Kong has a cool story and characters, but you can talk your way through 90% of the game and the few fights there are are weak, especially since OP gear is plentiful.

Dragonfall is the porridge that Goldilocks ate. It's a 10/10.
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I've only played Dragon Fall and it was alright. It all depends if you want to be rail roaded to progress or if you want to stop and explore and go off the beaten path. You are constantly pushed from mission to mission with very little to do inbetween. It keeps the flow of the game as more high stakes, but it doesn't allow you to really immerse yourself into the world. Get more body modifications from doctors, or go on various side shadowruns from Johnsons. I have the Genesis version clouding my judgment on it since I loved dicking around and upgrading my gear there. While the combat in the games are best in the video game series, it isn't anything too special in a turn based RPG category. Though thankfully they do give you plenty of races to pick from rather than defaulting you as a human unlike some other entries.
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>>2054141
If you hate the coomer-degen concept of "romance" retarding every rpg as much as I do, these games have the antidote.

No "romance" but your interactions with your party still matters. If you treat your party members well, you can build a more meaningful, adult friendship and working relationship with them.
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>>2056802
If someone plays RPGs solely for romance then they are wasting their time. They should just play VNs, or something.
Just thinking that someone doomed himself for playing janky and unbalanced Kingmaker just for the love story genuinely horrifies me.
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Dragonfall is alright.
Returns & Hong Kong is kinda meh.

HK hurts a bit more because in concept it's superb but everything about the execution sucks major ass. Pretty much the only thing mildly interesting about it is Racter. (maybe Gaichu, never picked him up)
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>>2054411
Drake is in HK
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>>2056822
I don't understand why 99% of video games, movies and music is softcore porn - it's the 21st century, do coomers not know how to find porn for free?
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>>2056869
Gaichu is great, you should have gotten him.
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>>2057016
Gaichu is a load of retarded weaboo shit written by someone completely clueless about Japan
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>>2056680
Vox Populi.
>>2056697
>very satisfying epilogue campaign
That was indeed surprisingly satisfying. Well maybe not to a certain member of the team, kek.
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>>2054141
>Returns - shallow, first attempt by people with no experience designing rpgs
>really weak itemization, very linear, didn't even have proper save features at release etc.
>passable SR story
>Dragonfall - much more systems & story improvement, still pretty lightweight, had decker and physical adept though so big points from me
>Didn't try HK

They get graded on a very easy curve because SR games are non-existent but really they're just mediocre or worse. I'm still glad they exist.

>>2054411
>My expectations were based on the SNES Shadowrun game so they didn't scratch that itch in any way really.
Yeah I felt a bit led on too. Nothing still surpasses the original SNES game for me, wish they had gone that route.
>ARPG, the music, the immersion, vampires, spirits and harlequin fucking amazing
>even the text puzzle/convo system was innovative
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>>2056904
It's a cheap tactic to get people interested in the story. A venerable vidya tradition since Mario rescued the first princess. (Since Karateka guy rescued the first princess, but few here would get that ref)
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>>2057124
It's just part of cyberpunk trash, it's patterned after the eyerolling neuromancer japanese zen archer guy
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>>2057124
He's a killing machine with the right stance and drugs.
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I want to heal Glory (with my love & dick)...
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>>2054588
A shotgun and monofilament wire build evaporates armor with trivial ease. Add in some strip armor spells and you can alpha strike a dude with little problem.
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>>2058024
ARs do the same thing from further away with much lower investment since you only need to hit Full-Auto and then you can pour all of those points elsewhere, putting you way ahead of the curve from shotgunfags.
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>>2058036
Huh? In all honesty full-auto is both inaccurate and tends to deal little damage to enemies that aren't out in the open and have a lot of armor. That and you'd want to invest points into your main attack stat anyways because scoring critical hits is very good in this game, so that's kind of a moot point and cyberware affinity is already a stat that you really want to invest in.
That and Duncan already does have an assault rifle anyways, in dragon fall assault rifles aren't really redundant. Although IMO I just have a preference for using cyberweapons anyways and just found the shotgun to be a decent compliment to it.
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>>2058073
F/A can't crit, and additional points in ARs only boost crit, letting you instead get Ranged Combat much higher much faster, giving you excellent accuracy. This huge point flexibility from using ARs also makes it the perfect compliment to a decker PC, so you really can have the best of both worlds. Shits all over HK and DF on Hard.
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>>2058102
Ah yeah I actually forgot about that detail, that's a good point.
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I hate the fucking moron who designed the dialogue box on the right edge of the screen instead of centring it. Fuck you you miserable cunt.
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Whip weapon was fucking busted in Hong Kong
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>>2056697
I went spellcaster. So far, things have been smooth and no combat since the beginning. Talky Talky face shit is surprisingly fun.
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>>2059056
>bleed
>armor piercing
>Armor shredding
>basically a ranged melee weapon to compliment a sniper rifle
>can hit multiple enemies at once
it was fucking based
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>>2059072
Tell this to that poor shadowrunner girl from the DLC.
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>>2059127
>he didn't let her know the bosses were planning on fucking her over
shaking my head
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Every moment with Gaichu is a blessing.
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>>2059339
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I wanted a actual RPG in a Cyberpunk setting, and these games barely managed to scratch that itch. Glory was a cute though.
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>>2059131
I did it exactly and it was painful to see her trying to kill anyone.
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>>2054141
Returns is a bit rusty, but understandable for a first outing, feel free to skip it. Dragonfall and Hong Kong are good.
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>>2059065
Mages are so fucking broken. No need to spread out your karma for a weapon, no need to upgrade weapons, and no need to get close to your enemies. Adepts are still pretty fucking fun.
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>>2059339
>>2059347
Bringing him along to the police HQ in the DLC was fucking hilarious.
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>>2060032
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>>2060032
>>2060046
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>>2054141
Dragonfall had the most thrilling videogame story I'd experienced since Planescape Torment. This is saying a lot with me becoming 20 years more cynical between them.
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>>2060234
A lot of things in Dragonfall have a greater meaning on the lore of the setting at large. It's pretty interesting. A shame it's gone to shit since the publisher went full retard.
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3 seconds before imminent badassery.
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>>2060400
>badassery
Go back.
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>>2060422
i'm sorry
kino
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>>2054141
Whole neo Shadowrun is a game I would really like to like, but fuck..shit gets boring real fast..
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Returns meh, Dragonfall good times, Hong Kong only if you love listening to your teammates people talk about their lives
>and everyone being extra edgy
>and game-breaking bugs on the ship of rats
seriously just play Dragonfall
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>>2060895
i'm waiting for the import to HK's engine
seriously, how the fuck for returns but not for dragonfall?
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>>2057365
>Nothing still surpasses the original SNES game for me
It has no business being that good of an RPG on the SNES. My first one, at an age before I even started playing JRPGs, and it didn't filter me because I was so fascinated by it I just kept playing.
Only looked up one thing because I got stuck at the vampire.
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>>2059390
I never liked the SR setting because combining Elves and hacking seemed stupid. But cyberpunk RPGs are very rare, so I played nearly every SR game from the Genesis one (the one I like the most) through to the new Harebrained Schemes ones on the PC, which were decent.
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>>2060422
No.
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>>2057367
>Since Karateka guy rescued the first princess, but few here would get that ref
My first thought was literally that Karateka is most likely an earlier game that did that. Bonus points if you've seen both endings.
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>>2059980
You need to upgrade your spells and they cost a lot.
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>>2059131
Teaming up with her and just shooting everybody else is the only correct way to do that mission. If only so you can murder the shit out of that elf.
Its really a highlight to me when a game offers you a binary choice scenario, but then also the option to just go "No. Fuck you." and try to bulldoze your way out through the hardest fight in the game instead if you've got the balls. Its the most punk shit ever and I wish it showed up more often. Cyberpunk2077 was a disappointment, but at least they got that shit right with the Don't Fear the Reaper ending. Which is objectively the best ending of the game despite being basically fucking unfinished and pretty much an afterthought and hidden with such bullshit requirements that nobody was ever gonna find it on their own without looking it up, which in itself feels like a microcosm of just how fucked up the development and the devs priorities were.
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>>2061220
>I never liked the SR setting because combining Elves and hacking seemed stupid.
>Hack into effeminate corporate elf's private systems
>It's a bunch of Tir Na Nog castle bullshit with DnD monsters and wherefore thee art thou claptrap everywhere.
>Chummer ain't got time, bulldoze straight through the harem routines to the data nodes in your red ork killdozer tank construct, elfmaids screaming and fleeing everywhere.

It's the contrast that always made it fun.
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>>2054145
This.
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>>2054141
I pre-ordered the first of them that was made.
I was very let down and haven't looked at any of the others
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>>2063025
You should definitely give Dragonfall a try.
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>>2063025
The other two are definitely more fun, they don't feel as hollow as SR
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>>2054141
Dragonfall is the best and a good RPG to play if you want something short and to the point. It's also a game you can do in one sitting, which is true for all of them. Hong Kong has good ideas that it doesn't do justice to, like the main aspect of the game's story being that it's centered around two brothers. Felt fairly forgettable otherwise, whereas Dragonfall just kept getting better and better and had much more meaningful stakes. Both are mechanically pretty much the same, but if you want a good cast with a competent story to back it up, you want Dragonfall. if you want half-baked ideas and concepts, you pick Hong Kong.
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>>2054141
I tried playing Returns but god it was so dry and boring. The only character I liked in the 5-6 hours I played was the coroner. Do the others get better?
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>>2059980
Shamans are pretty decent supports, but mages are kind of meh for me. It doesn't hurt to play one, but I don't think they are spectacular either. Melee is where shit gets really busted.
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>>2062060
Not really. You can get access to the second tier of spells easily enough and wait for the top tier later. There's that armor strip spell that gives you an extra AP next turn, the second heal spell, and the blood magic one that helps out. You can save up for manaball, flamethrower 4, and chain lightning.
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>Racter: It's QI mechanics, Feng Shui is nothing more than superstition
>Racter: I would explain if only I could see Qi.
this dumb motherfucker
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So what the fuck is Leonization? It's some crazy shit to turn an elderly person into a child.
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>>2054141
Tried getting into it but the melee animations break my immersion because they're so bad. Game also tries really hard to be witty but I just don't care about any character.
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>>2064105
If I remember right it is a very long and expensive procedure which fixes and rejuvenates every cell in a body with nanomachines.
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>>2064105
I wish. Imagine the lolibabas.
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Why did they stop making these?
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>>2064167
I'm imagining like you wouldn't believe
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>>2064154
Even the brain? That's one of the most integral factors of age. Your brain gets a little fucked.
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Haunted walking sentient noodle machine
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>>2064210
I believe it was addressed in core books.
Can't remember specifics, but I think there was a bootleg and quicker Leonization which gave you mental problems. The proper procedure was safe.
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>>2064105
Basically its a gene therapy treatment for the rich involving nanites and some other shit. It doesn't actually revert you into child form rather than just back into a young adult.
It also costs 2 mill and irreversibly eats up one chunk out of your essence, so even if you had all the money in the world and you somehow managed to dodge early retirement via bullet, you'd still only be able to do it a limited number of times before being a corpse.
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>>2063916
I mean, not only he was diagnosed pscycho schizo whatever when he was just a kid, he's also a professional Russian, had to deal with the trauma of losing the lower half of his body AND he has a direct interface for twiddling with his brain functions. Even for Shadowrun that's pushing it, like how more crazy you can get? He talks shit all the time and has legit megalomania among other things. Man of the future my ass, holy fuck, get a grip you greasemonkey.
>>2064105
Nah, from what I got after lurking for some time, it's an umbrella term for plot-device tier very costly procedure of full body rejuvenation. To complicate things, the essence cost (if any) changed from edition to edition. The "girl" you rescue in the HK bonus campaign underwent some highly experimental spin on that but that's definitely not the norm.
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>>2064279
With how quickly tech advances in Shadowrun, there'd be real immortality in no time. Just need to not die in that while.
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>>2064212
>mfw I enter Gobbet's room and find her hiding under a fort made out of pizza boxes to try to commune with Rat
>mfw I turn around and see that fucking noodle machine sitting in the corner

>>2064295
>he's also a professional Russian
Well. You're not wrong.
I really like the implications that being a Russian is an actual career prospect. Like one with shit benefits, no days off, and a high mortality rate while you're in training.
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>>2064212
>>2064381
just ignore it and it'll go away
JUST IGNORE IT AND IT'LL GO AWAY
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>>2064212
The poem writing AI gone rogue is pretty good too.
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>>2055270
GOD DAMN DO I WANT TO cuddle EIGER
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>>2064410
The jive is fucking unstoppable, anon
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>>2054141
somewhat unrelated but OP reminded me of pic related
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>>2064381
I mean, living in Russia already feels cyberpunk af. Just read a piece of news: one of the founders of "CryoRus" cryonics company (yep, people paid money to have their bodies/heads frozen in liquid nitrogen and stored in a metal hangar near Moscow somewhere) is blaming his ex-wife, whom they started the business with for stealing cryocapsules. Apparently the people she hired cut through the wall of the storage, loaded the "patients" onto trucks and tried to move them to another storage facility but were caught by the police.

An actual honest to God botched run lmao. https://twitter.com/rentvchannel/status/1435664529262878721
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>>2065109
Human Cryonics is just a scam of epic proportions. This dumbasses paid for their own murder.
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>>2065125
should've waited for better stemcell treatments
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>>2065221
A lot of people looking into cryo are old or already dying with money to waste. They're all as good as dead unless we come up with a miracle substance that restores the added space freezing causes in your cells.
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>>2054141
Played it all twice, beat it all twice. Dead man's switch is extremely generic, Dragonfall is extremely atmospheric and Honk Honk is the most polished of the three.
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>>2067198
>Honk Honk is the most polished of the three
>150bel can still get stuck in a dialogue loop preventing you from getting a good ending if you take her personal run as soon as it becomes available
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>>2067324
Didn't they fix it long ago?
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I cannot stress how much the hacking mini game makes my blood boil
That shitstain that designed it should be skinned alive
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>>2067335
I got it in the latest gog version so I presume they didn't. Again, easily avoidable if you just don't accept isobel's run asap, just go on a different run beforehand, but still.
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>>2067324
I think I did it asap and managed to finish it, although skillchecks were pretty high here and I raised alarm near the end and couldn't reach that deck guy for data to sell.
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>>2067324
I never managed to finish HK because my character kept turning into Is0bel for whatever reason.
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>>2054141
Played all of them when they were new
>>return
it's ok, i liked the game but while i remember the intro i dont remember the story of even it had companions, worst gameplay but i raccomend starting from here, i think the 3 games are fairly cheap nowday
>>shadowfall
Best story and companions for me, some anons would argue with me telling hong kong is better wich is fine because is just a flavour of preference
>>Hong kong
Best gameplay

They are fine turn based game, i liked them because scratched my ich for a nu-xcom gameplay while at the same being crpg
wish the reboot had more luck
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it's good stuff op
don't play the first one
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decky deck deck
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Dragonfall has Tough Big Girl Orc Waifu and Hong Kong also has Smelly RatGirl Orc Waifu. Returns has no waifu and is therefore inferior.
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>>2070161
Wrong, it has the Amerindian.
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>>2070164
not Orc
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>>2070168
fucking trog lover
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I fucking hate adepts. They're fun to play but always stretched thin on karma. In comparison, riggers, deckers, and aug jobs are superior in every way.
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Why can't i keep prototype drone stolen from Renraku as a rigger? So lame
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>>2070198
Install Swalzi Edit
Enjoy better and more adept spells (at the cost of no more cheesing with separate Qi Onslaught cooldowns on different swords)
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Any mods to make decking not shit?
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>Gobbet will never love, marry and fuck me.
Tuck me in, boys. I'm ready to die.
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>>2054141
I enjoyed all 3 games(Yes I even enjoyed Returns). Monofilament Whip makes Hong Kong a fucking joke though.
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>>2062060
HK specifically expects you to do most if not all side activities and sell that info to keep up with the latest shit. Then again, both DF and HK have it easy because you only have to worry about the main character's gear seeing as companions have their own fixed stuff. You can hire random Runners, but why waste the money if it's highly optional? Which is probably why Returns has a place in my heart, because you actually had to hire Runners and make judgement calls on how to round-out your team.
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Really hate that you're artificially limited to 3 party members+you and can't carry along your entire party. Such a bullshit man.
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>>2072569
Yeah, they kept that system in for backer shit I think but it would have been cool if sometimes the companion characters were busy doing their own shit and you were incentivized to hire someone if you wanted to fill their niche.
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>>2054141
Returns is better than people say here. Hong Kong is worse. Dragonfall is really good. Wish they'd take another crack at it.
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>>2072836
hong kong has some shit design decisions like having to exhaust all dialog with a certain shopkeeper if you want the good ending. in fact, a lot of story in hong kong is relegated to side characters. it had its moments, though.
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>>2063536
>but mages are kind of meh for me
Blind, Petrify, Confusion. Raw damage spells are a dead end.
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>>2067482
Play some vanilla SR, it's pretty much a healing ointment for that.
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>>2072836
>Returns is better than people say here.
They're judging it by modern RPG standards (most of them are on the younger side) pls understand. Yes, yes, it's inferior to the Sega game anyway, blah blah. As if anything made today should be expected to be good by default.
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Any mods that make enemies use their full action points for Dragonfall or is it just for HK?
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>>2072851
That's called investigation as is extremely easy to get over with in Honk Honk. Still, the path to the good ending does require some pin-point accuracy with choices, so, yeah,the idea remains the same.
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>>2073191
no
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>>2073375
>omg maybe I'll have a crit and kill this guy!
>or maybe I'll guaranteed put him out for 3 rounds or even have him fight for our team
Yeah nah.
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>>2073246
Just say you're a faggot
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>>2073387
>wasting your time with letting them live for more than a turn
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>>2073393
>muh waifoos
Kill yourself posthaste, my man.
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I can't remember her name, but I basically guarantee that the wolverine chick in Dragonfall had a full bush.
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>>2073410
no one cares, hairfag
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>>2073410
State your reasons.
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What if I never hire Racter and Gaichu (or get them killed permanently at some point) then take Yama Queen's deal? Does the police in the extended campaign steals your empty ship for no reason lmao?
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>>2074091
Possibly. Maybe thought you had extra crew. Racter's still technically in the basement.
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>>2074091
>get them killed permanently
Is this even possible?
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>>2074321
i thought you could let them die
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>>2054141
Honestly the only nu-CRPG series I found enjoyable.
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>>2074321
Yes, if they run out of trauma patches they perma die.
>>2074239
Well, you can hire him and let him die on a run.
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>>2074239
>Be Racter
>Based mad Russian lad
>fabricating drone parts in boat basement
>shit starts moving
>кaкиe
>go out
>there's HPKF everywhere
>NYET
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>>2074540
Maybe Kindly Cheng steps in, leaves you a message that you'll owe her for this but of course it will never come up in-game.
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>>2073763
I can't explain it. Sometimes with women, especially fictional or cartoon women, I'll just get this really strong feeling about their pussy hair. And I have that feeling about her.
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Duncan was pretty great to talk to in HK, felt sort of like talking to my own little brother.
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>>2075425
Is that you, Tremere pubic hair aficionado?
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>>2075719
As a matter of fact it is.
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>>2075689
Kek. I keep forgetting how much good shit is in HK because of all the bad shit.
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>>2070161
Ackshually Eiger's a troll.
>>2072125
Not him but thanks, I love adepts but the MAD can be pretty annoying to deal with unless you puss out and cheat in karma.
>>2073410
If anything I figured Eiger would have a full bush since she's military and doesn't have time to shave, while Glory probably just has chrome down there.
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>>2072851
>like having to exhaust all dialog with a certain shopkeeper if you want the good ending
But the best ending is making amends. Contrived one but less contrived than "wow Raymong just gets a free pass for his fuck up because there has to be a "good" ending! "
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>>2076509
>Spoiler
Did you even get the good ending? It doesn't excuse Raymond, in fact he's not even involved at all. You just do a big brain play and make the demon god fuck off home by catching her on a lie because the yama kings are all bound to some bullshit celestial chinese bureaucracy, which is immensely appropriate given the setting.
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>>2076586
>in fact he's not even involved at all
Which is my point. He basically walks away scot free while making amends is a proper redemption arc.
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>>2076595
(You) are already supposed to be Raymond's redemption arc. That's why going full folklore protag and beating the unbeatable god at their own game by just being clever is the good end and the self sacrifice is the fall back plan and is the bad one.
Honestly my only problem with the ending is that there isn't another "Fuck you" option of just refusing to bargain and beating the queen's thousand teeth in until she dies for good, but I get why even having the option to just take satan in a fist fight would pretty much completely undermine the point of satan.
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>>2076629
>(You) are already supposed to be Raymond's redemption arc.
Raising a pair of street urchins do not redeem you for creating a literal and figurative hellhole. That's heavily subjective ofc, so let's leave it on that.
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>>2076139
>she's military and doesn't have time to shave
She's not currently serving and and moonlighting as a shadowrunner, Anon. She's *former* military. She has as much downtime as you.
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>>2076595
His life is in tatters, his foster children might outright hate him, he justly hates and/or despises himself and then there is a whole can of worms with a certain (somewhat) grandmotherly looking CEO.
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The bugs in this game are so weird. I didn't stop Gaichu why is this even showing to me?
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>>2076629
In a way they kind of acknowledge how dumb that would be considering you get an achievement for punching the queen.
>>2077637
Good point. Maybe I just hoped she didn't have enough time. Oh well.
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>>2077949
It doesn't matter.
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I played a mage in Dragonfall and a punch mage (adept I think it was called?) in Hong Kong
Being allowed to select your party formation before combat was a godsend, I still have nightmares about that laboratory in DF where you open a door and like 6 blood mages instantly kill my squishy MC cause he was automatically first through the door
Anyway, what's another fun build for when I replay them? I think in HK I'm gonna go with a fully augmented melee build (basically Glory++) because it seems like the game has a lot of stuff for that
But I can't decide what to do in DF
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>>2078638
Decker or a full face sam. That game has the most checks out of the series. Despite being funner than Isobel, Blitz kinda sucks
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>>2078672
What do you mean by checks? Dialog checks specifically for deckers?
And yeah decker might be a good idea because I never felt I really got everything out of Blitz in my playthrough
Same for Dietrich but shaman seems boring in general
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>>2078710
I meant skill checks. Makes you feel better for being an all-rounder.
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>>2078638
>a fully augmented melee build
Oh yeah
>>2074375
They're so fucking broken
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>>2078751
kek, cyberware damage doesn't scale with melee or unarmed? So you basically have one stat for everything you need in your build?
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>>2054141
I've never played the first one but Hong Kong and Dragonfall are great.
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>>2078772
it scales with strength
cyberware affinity improves crit chabce
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>>2075689
I wish he wasn't so bland narratively because damn was he useful.
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>>2078772
>So you basically have one stat for everything you need in your build?
No, you also need Body and or Quickness because you will go down in one turn otherwise.
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Why kind of retard made Isane a neutral NPC in the extraction job in the bonus campaign instead of giving her under your command? She's fucking useless that way.
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>>2081016
Aaaand she's dead
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>>2081016
>>2081027
Yeah, I never spent so much trauma kits and medkits in all 3 games combined like I did in this single mission, barely survived myself. I really tried to keep her alive, but not with that typical friendly suicidal AI.
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>>2081010
The Cyberware Affinity stat is based off of Body, so that's a given.
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>>2081291
Yeah, same here. I guess she was really broken up about that sandwich.
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>>2057016
>I always like undead characters
>Dig Gaichu
>Look up ghouls in Shadowrun's setting
Holy shit what a mistake that was, I sort of need to kill every ghoul I see, now.
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I literally forgot I had Dragonfall and Hong Kong so I installed 'em and plan to go in blind. However I have a problem: I haven't played Shadowrun since the tabletop game in the 1990s and I suspect I'm completely out of date on the current mechanics and lore. How screwed, on a scale of 1-5, am I, and are there any pitfalls I need to avoid?
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>>2082501
I don't think the tabletop mechanics has anything to do with the CRPG mechanics. If you want a quick rundown on the lore, the first game (Dead Man's Switch) is basically Shadowrun 101.
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>>2082461
What exactly is horrifying about them? I thought they're just ill like lepers or fallout ghouls. Except the flesh eating part.
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>>2082501
>are there any pitfalls I need to avoid?
There is basically zero content for PC being shaman. Continuing the proud tradition of CRPGs having fuckall good for druids I guess. Otherwise you should be mostly good.
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>>2082501
Oh, just because you're face doesn't mean you won't need to fight. I can't remember whether there are moments where you are just by your lonesome, I don't think so. But some of your teammates might be pretty lousy in a fight too. Dumping a little bit of Karma into Quickness->Rifles haven't hurt anyone yet.
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>>2082585
Alternative dragonfall ending :^)
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>>2082511
They have a nation. They need food. Buying criminals and clones doesn't cut it. They've established human farms where women are amputated, drugged/lobotomized and artificially inseminated, so that the newborns can be processed into meat.
Shit's fucked, man.
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>>2082619
Hot
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>>2082508
>>2082572
>>2082585
All right, thanks bros. I'm going in.
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Did you choose to stay SINless or to return to your former life?
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>>2082501
The property has changed hands since then, but the games are based around the old fasa rpgs you're probably more familiar with anyway so none of the shitty new lore matters. The mechanics are also completely different so knowledge about how the pen and paper, or lack thereof, also isn't relevant.

Outside of that, the only pitfall to avoid is that you should avoid spreading your karma across too much different shit. Overspecialization and min-maxing is absolutely the way to go here if you want to make a powerful character, so you should probably decide on what role and weapon you want your pc to be built towards earlier on and stick to it. You probably also want to grab two or three etiquettes too regardless of your build, but no more than that, also don't pick the Shadowrunner one in Dragonfall because its legitimately useless.
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>>2082833
SINless. Don't know why they forced the split after everything. Not like there's going to be a sequel
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>>2082631
123442
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>>2082833
Stay SINless. Honestly the only reason to even consider going back would be because you'd be fucking over Duncan, which is really shitty and should be completely avoidable by the game's own account. But since you're stuck having to make binary choice, its still not as bad as ditching the entire rest of your team.
Also the prospect of my runner going back to being a nobody ex-con working a shitty boring day job after all the nightmarish shit they went through and getting chromed up to the literal eyeballs feels completely unthinkable.
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>>2082903
>Don't know why they forced the split after everything
With Duncan? he was unhappy about the whole thing from the very beginning.
>>2082926
The alternative to restoring your SIN is staying in indentured servitude to a fucking triad. I mean, you get paid sure but you only got into that position because you had no other choice and you can't really leave, can you?
>going back to being a nobody ex-con working a shitty boring day job
The ending says you're doing mercenary/PI/security jobs with Duncan, you're just legit now.
Weird that the SINless ending gets you relocated into Seattle anyway instead of getting you killed in the triad wars which is what happens to your crew if you leave them.
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>>2082945
You stopped being indentured a long time ago. It's clear Kindley needs you more than you need her. You turned her team of lightweight runners into a prime-run capable force with the ability to face down a horror. Kindley and co become a major force in Seattle thanks to you if you go with them. At that point, you're practically a boss yourself.
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>>2082988
As i said, i didn't the fact that you end up in Seattle no matter the ending, felt contrived to me. I feel like you should've stayed in HK and either got killed during the gang wars or moved into the mainland. The whole "you either move back to Seattle or you move back to Seattle" is a weird choice to end your game.
But as far as the choice itself, apples and oranges i guess. I don't buy that you're out of servitude regardless of your feats. Sangre por sangre etc. And you only can get the chance to leave that all behind once in a lifetime.
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>>2083021
Anyone you can kill and get away with is not someone you are in servitude to.
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>>2083029
You're explicitly told that you will owe the lotus big time for making you SINless. Forgive me for assuming that a fucking triad considers owing big time the same as owning you how silly of me.
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>>2083040
Oh yes, the triad doomed to extermination without you.
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>>2083047
All the more reason to keep you on a leash.
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>>2082855
>also don't pick the Shadowrunner one in Dragonfall because its legitimately useless.
Pretty sure it's used several times but it's probably for fluff only.
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>>2082833
The SINless are free.

>>2082926
>Also the prospect of my runner going back to being a nobody ex-con working a shitty boring day job after all the nightmarish shit they went through
Not to mention learning with absolute certainty what the corps (and the creatures running them) really are. If they had any doubts before.
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>>2082461
They're fine in small groups. Actual nation-sized ones are legit dangers to metahumanity.
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>>2083021
The way I see it you'll come full circle no matter what. The question is wether you go back to Seattle as a shadowrunning triad boss or a good boy.
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>>2074375
Fuck me, what's your ware?
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>>2083231
I think there's like two whole instances in the entire game where Shadowrunner is useful. One of them can be substituted by having Socialite instead, which is the better etiquette comparatively. The second one bails you out of a poor decision and can be avoided entirely by just not being an idiot and letting it get to that point.
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>>2083955
Built for the streets, man.
it's such a shame adepts can't match up.
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>have a conversation with rich couple
>they're astounded i share their world view
I don't know whether this is a commentary on how short-sighted the rich are or how whiny the poor can be.
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>>2083990
>No hydraulic jacks on a melee monster street sam
Shit chummer what are you doing. That's like the first thing you should have bought, the added movement is immensely useful and pretty much invaluable if you're going melee.
Adepts aren't as good for sure as going full borg, but they do get some pretty cool stuff. Its especially funny if you build yourself up for max defense and just no-sell every attack coming at you in the late game.
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>>2084159
I don't need extra movement when the dodge and biotech make me fucking invincible.
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>>2083990
>>2084159
>full abilities are for the midgets
eww
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>>2082833
I went back. My HK runner wasn't suited to the Shadowrunner life or mindset and made that clear in every conversation where the subject came up. Gobs and Is0 seemed pretty understanding about the whole thing, too.
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My favorite playstyles:

>Spellslinger
>Gunslinger Shaman
>Warejob (HK specific)
>Sword Adept (fist adept fucking sucks)
>Full Rigger
>Decker Sniper
I'd add in street sam but they're far too samey.
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>>2083984
>One of them can be substituted by having Socialite instead,
What cannot? Oh, right, most Academics checks. I still can't wrap my mind around a street kid from the Barrens who lived for several years with a rich dude and then spent like 8 years marinating in a corp black site having either of those. But not Street, naturally.
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>>2084466
The ones in HK are mostly for flavor.
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>>2072836
Yeah it would be nice if they made a big game, like something with as much content as the first three combined. I still remember in Dragonfall when you start this quest line for a shady organization, I thought it was going to be substantial but you do like 2 missions for them and then nothing.
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>>2084477
Yes, that was specifically about DF.
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what is the intended order to play these?
i plan on making cyberpunk _elf mage how fucked am I going to be
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>>2084526
Play Returns on HK's engine (there's a mod for it) as your intro to the setting itself, play Dragonfall if you're familiar, and play HK after Dragonfall if you want.
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>>2084526
I say try the original first to see if you like the way they did combat and specifically cover better then.
Also depends on what you mean by "cyberpunk mage", chrome reduces your Essence, which is a big no-no for spellcasters. HK lets you have some via Cyberware Affinity, of course, so maybe that's why that anon recommends it. But it feels almost like cheating, honestly.
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>>2084543
>>2084560
original is shadowrun returns right?
cyberpunk as in I meant the setting itself, I find this mashup pretty cool
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>>2084594
Weirdly enough, Cyberpunk and Fantasy compliment each other. Anything is possible but the farthest limits are complete nightmares, not that you'll ever be sure you've seen them or something close to them.
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>>2084560
>But it feels almost like cheating, honestly.
It runs contrary to the themes of the setting, sure, but on a purely mechanical level, a chromed-up spellcaster will spread your karma so thin that it's far from cheating.
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>>2084594
>original is shadowrun returns right?
Yes, in the context. There is a SNES game which ought to be considered a proper original.

>>2084633
>but on a purely mechanical level, a chromed-up spellcaster will spread your karma so thin that it's far from cheating.
You get enough Karma to dip heavily enough into chrome. It's not like there are many good spells and you're going to rely on the +1 stat/skill amulets if you know what's good for you.
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>NOOOOOO you can't just treat me as an object and study me as a guinea pig i'm a human being!!!!
I missed the part where that's my problem
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>>2084931
top kek
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>>2084931
Was this still the most morally questionable mission in the entire trilogy?
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>>2084965
Second most. Condeming a city to eternal torment is fucked up. Cyberzombie is still legitimately a fate worse than death.
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>>2084931
I don't even remember who that is. Spoiler for those who haven't played the game(s) yet.
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>>2082833
I went back. Since the game starts you as a normal person in the SR setting that becomes a shadowrunner I felt compelled not to play him as a normal gung-ho tabletop funhaver type, so going back was the natural ending.
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>>2082833
It doesn't matter, both ending feel unsatisfying as fuck. They should have just integrate these DLC runs into the base game.
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>>2082833
Return. I like my brother and I have saved Raymond so I will need a happy end.
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>>2085266
>a normal person in the SR setting
I mean, in a sense growing up on the streets fleeing from gangs and ghouls is a kind of normal in SR. Not sure if that's what you meant, though.
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What music did you listen to while doing this after you played through the game and found out about the fight?
For me it was this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8LT-kobMYs&ab_channel=ServerArchive
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>>2085377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdW2_PfqNAE
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>>2085374
I thought you were mostly set up to be a working/middle class type by the point you go to deal with your dad. I guess I can't remember what was headcanon and what was solidly established though.
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>>2085250
I didn't spoiler it because I've written it I'm an obscure way.
It's the corpo turned kid because of experimental leonization treatment quest.
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I had to cheat through Hong Kong's hacking minigames.
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>>2085534
Am I the only one who ever fucked up once with the puzzle? It's really not that hard if you're good with pattern recognition.
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>>2085534
I savescummed a lot.
>>2085555
It's still retarded. Too much busywork. It's should've been either the mini game (and either digits or pattern recognition) or fighting in cyberspace, not fucking both.
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>>2054141
So how many of you actually ungimped these games? By default AI is restricted to one action per-turn rather than two the same way you are. You can change this in the INI file.
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>>2085612
Really? I wondered why Eiger and Glory were so weak when I tried to check out the alternative DF ending.
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>>2085555
I can't even remember what the actual puzzles were. They were some Simon says memorization games, right? Those were easy enough, yes. Now, sneaking past the patrolling ICE - that, I fucked up as often as not.
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>>2085501
I meant to write "spoiler your answer". Life have been a bit hectic of late.
Now I remember the quest but still not the character. Weird. Guess he was that forgettable.
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>>2086008
I think it was the leader of the team that you were supposed to hand her over to.
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>>2086094
Ohh. Yeah, scrubs never leave a lasting impression.
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>>2084172
>full abilities are for the midgets
With 6 in Cyberware Affinity which you should get as an adept anyway, stats you get from chrome are considered "real. So Pain Inhibitor gets you from 9 to 10 Willpower, which allows you to put 10 in Qi Casting and get that medium cover you so desire. With 2 "free" essence you can spend on chrome you can get either 2x Muscle Augmentation+Wired Reflexes or maybe switch reflexes for suprathyroid + something else like leg bioware or skin armor+alpha eyes.
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>>2086340
The real question is why mages and adepts and Glorys are so much fun while firearms are just boring as fuck
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>>2086352
For me it's the sounds, cyberweapons and swords are just better than pewpew. I replayed each game in the series at least 3 times and not a single on of my characters used a rifle.
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>>2086378
Not to mention all the weapons HK adds specifically for adepts
Wasn't there one sword that zaps target AP and one that gives you AP if you do the deathblow with it
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>>2062091
Plan? That might be how rogue does things... goddamn grabbing your gun and just walking through the front door was incredible
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>>2065125
Unless I'm misunderstanding something major about the procedure, they're not really paying for their own murder, are they? Just for someone to fuck around uselessly with their corpse once they're dead, which is bad enough I guess.
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Will Harebrained Schemes return to this or are they gonna milk the fuck out of Battletech now?
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>>2065125
>>2065221
They're already dead/dying and waiting on a miracle solution. Literally nothing to lose.

See:
>>2065244
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>>2086566
I think shadowrun licence rights expired for them.
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>>2086680
They're owned by paradox now, surely they can afford that license if HS afforded it when they were an indie start-up.
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>>2086352
No drain system, no magic traditions, you can only equip 6 spell slots.
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>>2086703
It's rarely a question of affording it. Licensors gravitate toward studios that look trendy or make them the biggest promises, especially in PnP RPGs whose licensing and marketing departments seem to be staffed essentially by morons
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>>2086753
And?
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>>2054141
Fucking awful. So much more annoying than dragonfall and dragonfall was quite annoying to begin with. Niggers on this board keep saying that gameplay is somehow better than dragonfall but they are lying. It's completely the same.
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>>2054141
I remember playing Returns and finding it quite enjoyable. Dragonfall was the first one I tried to play and I didn't have the attention span for it as a retard teen. This thread makes me want to revisit the games again now that I actually have half a clue on how to play CRPGs. Might not make a hacking-centric character again since I just remember it being a tedious disappointment that made combat take centuries for not much benefit. Then again, from what I hear about tabletop Shadowrun, that means the hacking is spot-on wrt the source material.
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>>2087420
Dragonfall Director's Cut changed how the cover works so if you liked SR find DF as an expansion to it.
Hacking got more annoying and time-consuming in Director's Cut and then again worse in Hong Kong.
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>>2087420
But on the upside HK has Cyberware Affinity which while used on non-casters doesn't feel like a cheat and compliments melee fighters greatly.
But HK also moved Heal to Conjuring.
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>>2087442
>HK also moved Heal to Conjuring.
No it didn't. What the fuck are you on? Are you playing some different modded version or something?
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>>2054141
beurk
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>>2087478
Wait, which spell it was then? I remember it moving a pretty important spell to Conjuring and I was sure it's Heal. The game was not modded at all.
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>>2087522
Oh, I think you mean armor
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>>2087525
Must be. In a way that's even worse as Heal only removes the last inflicted portion of damage.
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Hello, RPG fan here.
>Is this game worth trying?
>what are the main selling points of this game, in your opinion?
>can i start with Hong Kong or do i need to play the older ones first?
>overall, what should I expect from this game?
I really like the aesthetic and it seems fucking comfy. I recently travelled to Hong Kong irl also.
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>>2086352
>not using pistols and doing trickshot dunks all over the enemy team
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>>2087793
They're my favorite firearm weapon. Free reload, crits up the ass, and potentially the most shots you can fire in a single turn. With Shaman totem bonus and haste, you can hit whatever you want until it's dead
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>>2087773
>Is this game worth trying?
dragonfall and hong kong are both good games worth playing if you like rpgs
>what are the main selling points of this game, in your opinion?
dragonfall has great atmosphere, story, pacing
hk has great atmosphere and story
>can i start with Hong Kong or do i need to play the older ones first?
play dragonfall, it's 90% the same game gameplay wise, and slightly better
>overall, what should I expect from this game?
good writing that pulls you in. dont go in if you dont like reading. gameplay is still there and fun and watching your build come into fruition is rewarding, but the main thing these games have is good writing
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>>2088043
About what I was expecting. Thanks a lot for the response.
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>>2087793
>>2087864
I tried making a gun adept with two pistols and some qi casting. It didn't turn out quite the way I planned, but it did turn out better than I expected.
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>>2088205
is this from a mod?
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>>2088205
>a gun adept
I am once again shilling Swalzi Edit. Speed Loader is a huge enabler for gun adept playstyle. Shooting people with a grenade launcher is a legit martial art now. Here are all the Qi changes and additions.

Qi Focus (Spell) | NEW - Increases the user's chance to hit by 3%. Requires magic essence to be >= 5. Passive spell. Requires 2 chi casting. Store cost: 200
Qi Concentration | NEW - Increases the user's chance to hit by 6% and cannot be stunned. Requires magic essence to be >= 6. Passive spell. Requires 6 chi casting. Store cost: 1000
Qi Speed Loader | NEW - Passive: Increases user's Quickness by 1. Active: Allows the adept to reload any equipped weapon in his inventory with no AP cost for 2RNDs. Cost 0AP. Cooldown 4RNDs. Requires 5 chi casting. Store cost: 700
Qi Mountain Stance | NEW - Active: Increases Body +5, incoming damage is reduced by 7, and user cannot be stunned for the current round. Lowers Dodge skill to 0. Cost 1AP. Cooldown 2RNDs. Requires 5 chi casting. Store cost: 700
Qi Calm King's Strength | NEW - Passive: Increases user's strength by 1. Active: increases the user's strength further by 1 but increase damage taken by 1 for 3RNDs. Cost 1AP. Cooldown 4RNDs. Requires 6 chi casting. Store cost: 1200
Qi Astral Adrenaline | NEW - Active: Increases AP by 1 for 3RNDs. Cost 0AP. Cooldown 4RNDs. Requires 8 chi casting. Store cost: 1800
Qi Ethereal Sprint | NEW - Passive: Increases dodge skill by 1. Active: The adept will dodge the first attack and becomes 12% harder to hit for 2 RNDS. Does not stack with blur. Requires 7 Qi Casting. Store cost: 1000
Qi (Bonded) Killing Hands & Stride - Lowered cooldown to 4 from 6.
Qi Celestial Mana Fist - Increased base damage to 14 from 12.
Qi Counterstrike - Boosts the adept's accuracy by 6% when activated. Accuracy effect should stack with aim spells and other enhance-to-hit effects. Increased maximum of counter attacks to 4 from 3.
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is there a mod that nerfs the whip? i wanted to make a character around it but it was so busted it ruined my run
literally hitting anything anywhere through cover and stunning and bleeding shit
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>>2088633
it stops being good once enemies have armor and get stronger
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>>2088633
Falls hard in extended campaign, no damage scaling, enemies have too much armor and hp. I guess you can branch into pistols, use whip to pull enemies out of the cover and shoot them in the face, it was a lot of fun in Vox Populi.
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>>2088267
It's from the Caldecott Caper, a UGC campaign, which hands out a lot of money near the end. It's not using any of the Qi casting changes in >>2088593 or any other mods, though.
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>>2088633
The whip is only really busted if you combine it with a guns, which is the intended way to use it since its scales with quickness as opposed to strength. The most potent combo probably being a burst fire shotgun + whip + wired reflexes because you can just yank people out of cover and straight up delete them in one turn. Alone its probably the weakest cyber weapon of the bunch.
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>>2086562
They're paying money for an outside miracle chance that they can be revived safely, in the future. There's some examples of things vaguely similar working in the short term. But we don't even have a way to keep the dethawing process from killing what little cell activity would still be active. And to my knowledge most cryo facilities only accept you AFTER legal death. So it mostly seems like a fancy way to store your corpse.
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>>2063503
returns is by far the weakest
I played dragonfall and wasn't really FEELIN IT so I tried HK and had a blast, buddy of mine had the opposite experience
basically tho both dragonfall and HK did every single thing that returns did but better (and sometimes even well!)
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Glad to see that there's a perma Shadowrun Returns thread up. All three games are some of my favorites. Don't forget that there's a HK expansion.
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>>2079439
>model just to never use it
It's a real shame. Monika was a qt
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>>2092135
Lucky bastard who got to take care of the body must've had himself some fun getting her out of that tight leather fit.
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>Level up strength
>"Going for a melee build?"
>"What no, I just want to intimidate fools on my mage"
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I have a retarded urge to do a playthrough with a troll decker. Would a Melee Decker who would never even be able to use a Fairlight Excaliber deck even be viable?
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Dragonfall and Hong Kong have the best prose in the genre. I'm surprised Andrew McIntosh hasn't written any novels.
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>>2092349
Is that what you call it? I mean, it says what it needs to quick and lets the dialogue stand alone by itself instead of doing that retarded PoE shit.
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>>2092327
First off, forget the Fairlight Excalibur. The Novatech Slimcase is where it's at and only requires Decking 5.
As for a melee decker, it might spread your karma pretty thin, but HK's combat is fairly forgiving even on Hard difficulty, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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>>2092411
Maybe Hong Kong Ching Chong Great Wall Of Text is the way to go with this, then. I was planning on doing it in Dragonfall just for one throwaway piece of dialog you get for playing a troll and because I'm an Eiger simp
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It's a shame SMG's are fucking worthless. Absolutely the worst firearms and worst weapons overall after Throwing. They really did the whole class dirty.
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>>2092812
They're actually great uf you can crit kver and lver again
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>>2092841
fuck me, what happened with me here
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>>2092841
So basically dump everything into being an SMG gunbunny? I'm looking at doing a replay and I might just take you up on that to see if they're worth a goddamn maxed out
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>>2092849
yes, a cute sexy little gunbunny
how was your first smg try like? did you just quit before your armory opened up?
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>>2092853
I dicked around with them a bit in both Returns and Dragonfall, and just found them to be roundly inferior due to low damage and lack of skills. I may just give them another go in Hong Kong because of you, Drunkposter
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>>2092858
>tfw no sexy assassins to wisk me away into a life of crime, sex, and sex
feels bad, man
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>>2092872
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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>>2092327
I suggest Throwing Weapons instead. Less karma investment, still pretty decent in combat. Any hit with a throwing weapon flushes enemies out of the cover. Had a blast playing exactly this build in my last DF playthrough.
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>>2092883
That's actually some strong utility, when you put it that way. I might just give that a go!
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>>2092889
Shurikens also inflict AP damage pretty often.
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>>2092841
>>2092849
>>2092853
>>2092858
SMG is made to look like shit because neither Gobbet nor Blitz can fucking hit anything
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>>2092965
At least Blitz can deck but how the fuck Gobbet earned her place as a runner is a mystery to me.
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>>2092979
Blind luck. Seriously, bitch is an edge monkey. Most of her runs are just disasters with her running away, hiding, or stealing things.
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So do I start with returns or dragonball if I don't know anything about the setting?
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>>2093061
You might as well start with Dragonfall, returns is basically trash.
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>>2093061
>Shadowrun Dragonball
>Are they still in Berlin
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>>2093061
Returns is not that bad, I started the trilogy with it and liked it too. It also has an advantage over df/hk, you don't have a fixed team here and can hire different runners on each mission.
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>>2093117
You can hire mercs in HK and DF too. Some of them even have a couple of lines of dialogue in the hub area.
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>>2093117
QT elf princess.
based dad crippling the negro who deflowered her
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>>2093122
Technically yes but there are less of them and it's really a waste especially in HK.
>>2093126
Yeah, such a little tease with that uniform.
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>>2093061
I only played DF and HK and knew nothing about Shadowrun before
It is a bit rough at the start, definitely might need to check up a thing or two you don't understand on the wiki
Especially the character creator just giving you a bit of blurb as the background and you don't even know what goblinization is
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>>2093117
Returns definitely had issues.
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>>2093205
Who the fuck was that guy?
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>>2093197
It's fine. Maybe it comes from development constraints and need to keep the games more focused, but I rather liked that they didn't do verbal diarrhea like Pillars of Eternity and other CRPGs. You get the essentials with some flavor. If you want more there's a fuckton of novels to look up.
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>>2093210
Immortal elf from the second or third world. It's complicated
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>>2093211
Of course it's fine, I did say you need to check "a thing or two". Just saying that only playing the games won't be enough to help you with some basic concepts of the setting
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>>2093061
Corollary to this, I played dragonball and ching chong, is there any point in playing returns now before I replay the others?
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>>2093210
he's an insufferable oc mary sue in the books. in the game he steals the spotlight from you towards the end. good adapt, though.
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>>2093224
Just replay Returns via Vox Populi mod for HK. I only wish there was a mod like this for DF, it's a damn shame the most combat-heavy game of the trilogy doesn't benefit from all the cool cyber, spells and weapons of HK.
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>>2093280
What does it change exactly?
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>>2092849
I've tried doing an SMG run before. Wouldn't recommend it. They're basically just worse assault rifles with no skills.
I think they're only intended to be used by deckers and mages as a sidearm, but even in that scenario there's just very little reason to go for them over pistols or just ARs again.
I saw a mod for HK that reportedly improves them a bit so maybe try that.
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>>2093326
>he relies on fancy techniques instead of just spraying a motherfucker
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>>2093061
Don't bother getting Shadowrun Returns. Just get Dragonfall and Hong Kong. Dragonfall has the Dead Man's Switch campaign which is basically the Shadowrun Returns main campaign.
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>>2093224
Dragonfall has SR's main campaign. Just go to the content tab and select Dead Man's Switch campaign. Boom, SR in DF.
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>>2093332
If you wanted to spray a motherfucker you'd pick ARs. If you wanted to fish for crits you'd pick pistols. SMGs should be a mix of both in theory but they're worse than either of them in practice. They just do no fucking damage and don't have anything to offer you if you're a dedicated streetsam.
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>>2093322
Lets you play Returns campaign in HK "engine" with all the features like more cyberware slots, rudimentary stealth and stuff like Cyber Affinity.
Adds a team of runners you can upgrade similar to DF/HK, some of them are characters already present in Returns (Coyote and Paco), some oc donut steel dangerhairs but nothing too bad.
Adds a couple of new runs and expands existing ones a bit.
All matrix segments are remade from scratch to feature universally beloved and critically acclaimed realtime matrix stealth from HK (they are all right though).
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>>2093364
>They just do no fucking damage
wrong
stop using trash smgs and use your advanced tier ones
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>>2093205
>>2093231
>I'm playing a more or less regular joe in a world full of ancient monsters and other dangerous shit lurking in the shadows but I must be the big guddamn hero in muh spotlit all day, erry day
How exactly does he eclipse the player's character? By actually answering some questions "Hans" keeps being intentionally vague about? Or by being a mediocre addition to the team when you go to the final fight?
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>>2093377
stop using trash firearms and use your advanced fists
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>>2093326
SMGs are actually pretty kino if you have the scorpion/hunter spirit to invoke. The accuracy penalty should be easily be offset by your skill and you deal +4 damage per attack (though this bonus doesn't stack with crit bonuses)
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>>2093417
Ah, the Stone, Hunter and Fielding school of shadowrunning.
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And fuck, that's collateral damage. Meant for >>2093471
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>>2093542
>And fuck, that's collateral damage.
If it's not the corps, then it's the gangs. If it's not the gangs, it's the fucking runners blowing everything up. If it's not the runners, it's some ghoul or amok spirit or some other shit. Failing all that, it's a fucking dragon doing dragon things because fuck you. RL might be shit, but it still has room for growth in that direction.
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>send Glory in
>attack some guy in cover
>that makes him exit cover
>shoot him
Was this intentional? Cause it kinda makes cover pointless
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>>2093995
Glory is not invulnerable.
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>>2092377
Yes. Excessive flavor text isn't necessarily good writing.
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>>2092377
>>2094042
I don't mind reading a lot of text in an RPG, hell I love reading all the lore books in the games, but Pillars of Eternity's prose is so fucking purple there ought to be a sumptuary law against it. And it starts right in the tutorial part. At least they don't mutilate the English language like The Eye of Argon does.
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>>2094862
I didn't play PoE but often Hong Kong felt like purple prose, every fucking trader or that Troll family had something to tell you after every fucking single run.
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>>2095112
The game's angle is that they are all one big dysfunctional family. You're kind of supposed to make connections to get on a more solid footing, plus as an insurance for if (when, really) Kindly decides that you have outlived your usefulness. At worst preparing for the far from impossible scenario of her demise and thus the inevitable replacement being a dark horse.
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I love Returns, playing it on the HK engine with the mod. I'm pissed at not being able to hire runners, which I really really liked but this is fun.
Why does everyone complain about the hacking minigame? Matching them is a good addition.
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>>2092965
>>2093326
>>2093377
Alright, chummers, I'm gonna give it a fucking go. I'm doing a Submachineautism run and pushing the skill as far as it will go just to see once and for all how good or shit the SMG weapon class is. Playing on Hard and I'll be picking as many fights as possible. I'll report back with results next thread probably.
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>>2095252
The simon says part I don't mind too much. The real time stealth sections though are just legitimately awful.

>>2095271
Welp, good luck anon. I'm sure its possible but its probably just not gonna be very fun.
I was gonna suggest you pick up a monowhip so there's at least some other shit you can do other than press the attack button every turn, but its gonna make the one unique skill you get on SMG completely redundant. So I guess just pick up the Cobra or Scorpion totem ASAP and then save up money to grab wired reflexes and a reloading arm as soon as it unlocks.
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>>2095252
>Why does everyone complain about the hacking minigame? Matching them is a good addition.
It is asinine, way too simplistic and dull.
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>>2095428
Beats Dragonfall.
What would you suggest as a replacement?
>>2095386
Yeah, the stealth is horrible
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>>2095461
>What would you suggest as a replacement?
SR. Straight up fights with ICE. Add roundabout routes with checks for those who want to go all sneaky like.
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Damn it. Now i want Shadowrun again. The only thing this game lacks is romance. I need hot troll sex with Eiger.
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>>2095617
>Damn it. Now i want Shadowrun again.
Reinstall Dragonfall.
>I need hot troll sex with Eiger.
I don't appreciate you talking about my wife that way you fucking rigger
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>>2095617
We need UGCs but I think the only author still actively making shit is the one that went from Caldecott Caper all the way down to CalFree in Chains so, uh...
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>>2095643
There's a couple that are in the works ranging from "possible" to "snowball's chance in Hell", but those would be the biggest UGCs.
>>2095617
I highly recommend CalFree in Chains, she may be more demure than Eiger but it does in fact have a troll you can bang.
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>>2095764
>I highly recommend CalFree in Chains
U wot. It is politically loaded as shit. I guess most of those who like Shadowrun the setting might be more okay with this particular brand of it due to likely being 40+ year old folks, but to me it is unpalatable.
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I find how hilarious it is that this game makes being a mystic adept an actually balanced option. Like a spellslinger who is also a kung fu god.
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>>2054141

They're overall good but the dialogue can feel a little forced and somewhat tumblr-y at times. Also the combat animations are REALLY unsatisfying to me. They feel very stiff, floaty and weightless.

Still worth playing if you like the genre though.
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>>2095811
Do adepts have even a single proper ranged spell?
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>>2095834
no. it's all melee unfortunately.
Nothing even for throwing even.
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What are some other games like this? Cyberpunk CRPG, anything really?
Already know about the old Shadowrun.
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>>2095643
there's also the people that made (or are still working on) the snes shadowrun reboot for df. The games still need to be actively selling in order to keep an active modding community going.
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>>2095858
>The games still need to be actively selling in order to keep an active modding community going.
Nah, there are pretty active modders for older games like TibSun or EaW.
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>>2095858
>he games still need to be actively selling in order to keep an active modding community going.
Let me tell you about S.T.A.L.K.E.R...
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>>2095782
Admittedly it's been a while since I played it but the only really egregious political thing I remember was the stupid trog camp segment. There's plenty of other stupid shit in there that's apolitical as well (semi-forced backstory with your sister, gills, FUCKING DORBI), and if I'm being honest I mostly recommended it because it's finished and I like orcs/trolls.
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>>2096197
The very first conversation is a very transparent parallel to RL events and movements. But if you're living under a rock deeper than mine I guess it might not be a noticeable.
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>>2096217
It might've just gone over my head. I'm stuck in Commiefornia just like the mod author, and after a while you either just filter it out automatically or you get obsessed with it like he did. If you can stomach it at all try and look at the dev commentary for CalFree; it sheds a lot of light on why it's written the way it is.
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>>2060284
WHat the fuck did they do now
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>>2095782
>Mod about area of the world that is under foreign occupation
>The occupation army happens to be japanese turbo nazis
>It's politically loaded bullshit man!!
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>>2093126
>based dad crippling the negro who deflowered her
Been a long time since I played Returns, what is this?
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>>2096280
Her black skull face dude is a cripple for a reason
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>>2096235
Mexican master race?
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>>2096285
I remember the nigger but didn't make the connection. Thanks.
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>>2054141
Dragonfall feels a bit bigger in scope and a grander adventure overall. The characters seem to be more distinctive than the ones in Hong Kong, save for Gaichu and Racter.

Hong Kong is overall less good, but still very good. I liked that the NPCs in town had good writing and their own dramas/side stories that progressed as you progressed through the game, which you could influence depending on what you said to them.
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>>2096245
Shitty books, shitty nulore, and shitty handling of the IP
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Honestly I feel like the one think dragonfall did better than Hong Kong, outside of the weird decision to strip the armor spell from the mage's toolkit was the fact that their mission structure seems to be a bit more eh...exciting to me? But I always felt like dragonfall's writing is a bit over rated at times. Like, you're supposed to be on a hurry to hunt down the dudes who are planning some shit, but like it doesn't feel very urgent or anything. I always felt like Hong Kong was better paced and had a more lively and lived in world honestly. Companions are a mixed bag, it was more concise in dragonfall but I felt like the characters there was more standard honestly. Dragonfall just has a better sense of atmosphere in the runs that you go on, and seem to be a bit better designed, but I like Hong Kong more honestly.
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>>2096505
it would be nice if they could combine the best parts of both games into a new one. Unfortunately, it's not likely going to happen. I'm willing to bet HBS's license on the IP has expired. Plus they were bought up by Paradox, and they're not exactly renowned for releasing rpg's. :(
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>>2095271 Here
So far so good, SMG's are not as terrible as I remember them, but still not as great as any other weapon. I'm sorely tempted to abandon this run just because Is0bel is shit. SHE'S FUCKING SHIT. Fuck, Blitz wasn't the sharpest at anything else but at least he could fucking deck. Is0bel is a worthless fucking e-girl
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>>2096245
ARGLE BARGLE
FOOFARAW
HEY DIDDY
HO DIDDY
NO ONE KNOWS
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>>2095842
Paradise Cracked
COPS 2170: The Power of Law
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>>2096958
Is0bel does suck. It's why I'm always a decker in HK. Or at the very least some kind of mage that has a datajacks. In DF Blitz is decent so I can run any type of character I want.
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>>2095842
Although it's not a CRPG, Satellite Reign has a cyberpunk theme to it. It's more or less a spiritual successor to Syndicate though. It's pretty good, just get used to using the slowdown a lot because your squad ai is dumb as dogshit. Wait for a sale though. I can't justify spending $30 on a 6 year old indie game.
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>>2096958
That's my major problem with these games, there are good characters, shitty characters I can mostly kill at some point so I can let that go, but as a rule I fucking despise my own team.
Racter and Blitz were bros though.
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>>2097193
Combat Decker (rifle usually, but sometimes pistol for the lulz) is pretty much my favorite way to go in every game. High utility and gives you personally a lot to do.
>>2097253
I actually did a playthrough of Dragonfall using only mercs as soon as I was able and it turned out pretty fun. Added a strong money management element and it was really novel using a completely different crew. Give it a shot if a challenge run interests you
I want Lucky Strike to blow smoke in my face
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>>2097268
>he fell for the burnout adept
>he fell for the unironic anarchist
>he fell for the crybaby femoid who thinks grown men should devote themselves to them
bruh
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>>2097216
It might be a good game but definitely is not a good Syndicate successor. It plays nothing like it, it doesn't give you the freedom and the world just keeps resetting itself no matter what you do. And then there are no cars. No, if they are not usable they might as well not be there.
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>>2097312
>>unironic anarchist
>>who thinks grown men should devote themselves to them
I don't remember those. Although I do remember disliking her because of either 3edge5me attitude or something similar.
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>>2097463
She think Monika was a poser because she maintained order of the kiez and got pissy when Racter left her team to do the thing he started Shadowrunning for.
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>>2097467
Ah. So she is just a very jaded pragmatic. Yeah, those can be really annoying.
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>>2097467
Racter didn't run with Monika, pretty sure. It was with that runner for hire in the bar.
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>>2097474
>pragmatic
Anyone who gets a tattoo all over themselves for a single job which turns out just to be a slavery tat isn't pragmatic.
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>>2097514
She just considers it wetware is my guess. Either way I don't remember her well enough so hard to be certain of anything.
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>>2097514
Considers the perfectly normal healthy body wetware, I mean.
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What build is the most fun in DF? The game is honestly kind of a drag combat-wise after HK
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>>2097530
I played as rigger+decker and it was fun enough.
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>>2097530
I'm always fond of being a troll adept.
>your team busts in guns blazing
>enemy takes cover and starts firing back
>your Troll walks in
>all of a sudden blazes across the room
>hits an opponent with the force of a runaway freight train
plus they can get as tank as fuck. I always chuckle a bit with every hit when I go with that build.
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>>2097662
>DF
>Adept
yikes
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>>2097679
he's obviously a sword adept
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>>2097684
>mfw ax adept
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Is there any reason at all to pick anyone but troll if I'm gonna be a cyberclaw guy
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>>2097679
physical adept ya dingus
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>>2098028
Dodge requires Quickness so in theory yes. Either works.
Although a max Strength, max Body troll with the improved spurs is going to be absolutely terrifying.
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>>2098028
sure. Troll's body/hp is drool-worthy, but you never really need more than 6 or 7 body tops. So basically anyone can do it. Maybe Orc if you want the higher str stat. Hell you could even go elf with it and just go crazy with your dodge stat. Just be some crazy elf doing all kinds of acrobatics across the battlefield, dodging all incoming fire, then slashing the shit out of your opponent. Rinse and repeat.
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>>2098139
So Body no longer increases your armor. I'm not sure if gaining Cyberware Affinity is worth losing that for trolls.
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>>2098117
Yes. yikes
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>>2098028
also, depends on which shadowrun game you're playing. They're available in Hong Kong. Unfortunately, not in Dragonfall. Only Glory has the claws in Dragonfall. You can't buy them. :(
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>>2098156
No, body only increases hp in DF. Armor is increased via well, buying better armor and cyberware implants. Body is a prerequisite though in HK to boost your cyberware affinity, which is needed to unlock the use of certain cyberweapons. Just don't go crazy at first in HK, sometimes it takes a while for the weapons to unlock (monofilament whip..... drooling intensifies....)
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>>2098173
oh, the good kind of yikes. Sorry. My bad.
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>>2098184
I'm not the anon that asked about claws. I've played HK, I just don't remember all of the changes.
Also I've mixed up spurs and razors before, razors are the best weapon.
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>>2098175
Well yeah no one would even want to play a Glory in DF, that's what Glory is for
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>>2098198
razors are better than spurs for sure. I always have a soft spot for the monofilament whip. I don't know if you can have both that and the razors at the same time. I don't think you can. I'm pretty sure spurs/razors rely on strength and close combat with the cyberware affinity to boost the chance of landing crits. Where the whip relies on quickness and ranged with cyberware aff for crits if I remember correctly.
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>>2098217
I've memory edited in enough karma to max out all respective stats, then tried whip, then reloaded and tried razors. Razors crit more often, do more AP damage and I think even do more bleed.
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>>2098260
I thought the whip's entire point was pretty much hitting people a couple of squares away so they exit cover
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>>2098289
Razors also get an ability that flushes out of cover. Yes, you don't get the pathetic few tile range. As a melee character.
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>>2098184
>>2098217
There should be a law that when "cyberpunk" and "mono whip" are mentioned near each other, this gif should be immediately posted. Or the other one, where he cuts the list of code "phrases".
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>>2083671
There's a theory that they'll, as a whole, transform into a full blown Horror if things continue going as they currently are, right?
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>>2083671
>he didn't waste the ghouls in the kreuzbasar sewers
THE ONLY GOOD GNAWER IS A DEAD GNAWER
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>>2098289
basically razors are for melee builds, and the whip is for ranged builds. Since I haven't done a melee build yet in HK, I've always taken the whip on every playthrough just for the utility of being able to flush enemies out of cover from a distance, then pumping them full of lead.
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>>2098993
>Since I haven't done a melee build yet in HK
Well get on it
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>>2098939
Yeah but AIDS Wakanda is funny as fuck though.
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>>2098565
dodge skill rank 6 right there
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>>2098995
oh I am, oh lord knows I am. :D
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>>2099032
Seriously though, melee warejobs are reiculously good
Would have enjoyed playing my Cybork more if Is0bel wasn't such a fucking shit decker or there was at least a merc decker you could hire in HK
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>>2097094
I don't know why Shadowrun as a franchise just can't catch a fucking break. The pen and paper RPG is an absolute lost cause unless CGL goes bankrupt, but Microsoft still owns the videogame license as far as I know. The best we can probably hope for is that they toss it at Obsidian or something.
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>>2099686
It's mostly because Jordan Weisman sucks at running shit. He's started more companies, than games he's put out. M$ is going to hold on to the IP as long as they can. They'll just license it out when someone throws them enough money. Unfortunately most of the money is in f2p gacha shit these days. Mobile games like State of Survival are making money hand over fist because people will throw $50/week at it. I was honestly a bit excited when Ubi$oft made a Heroes of Might and Magic mobile game. Unfortunately, it's cartoony as fuck, and like a lot of those games, it's just a pure fucking cash grab through and through. Only when people default on the 5 credit cards they have maxed on games like that, maybe then, and just MAYBE publishers and developers will get back to the roots of what made vidya so good in the first place.
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>>2099312
agreed, Is0bel is a shit. It's why I always go pure chrome in HK and take care of the decking. I'm going to go for a melee character this time around. Unfortunately I'm going to have to waste so much karma on decking, so my berserker is basically going to be a good melee fighter at best.
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>>2096958
Yep, after getting yeeted out of the matrix for the THIRD FUCKING TIME on the Uninvited Guests run, which is PISS FUCKING EASY under any other circumstance, I can conclusively say that SMG's are just okay and that Is0bel is the weak link on every run you need to use her on. I'm not gonna torture myself with this playthrough any further.
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>>2100435
>Just okay
So still worse than any other weapon basically then. Also got the feeling they're just going to fall off in the endgame, but that's gonna have to remain a mystery now.
I've never really had too many problems with Is0bel personally. Its probably gonna sound like "just git good lmao" bs since everybody else is bitching about her, but while her kit isn't fantastic by any metric, its good enough to have gotten me through the game on hard multiple times just fine. Plus her grenade launcher is nice enough that I never really felt like she was complete dead weight in every mission.
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>>2054141
Middling nucom ripoffs.
Setting was cool. Games were okay but mostly just 'man I wish I was playing actual Shadowrun right now'.
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>>2100435
Oh boy, seems I have to show you how it's done.
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>>2100502
>just git good lmao
This is a valid criticism. I do tend to brute force jackpoints because I don't have a lot of patience for the simon says hacking minigame. I could solve a lot of this issue with actually trying.
>but that's gonna have to remain a mystery now.
FUCK ME. I did promise, and tried to cop out of delivering. You're completely right to cast aspersions on my work ethic. I will carry on.
>>2100523
>human
Keep us posted on how your run goes. I picked elf just so I could absolutely max out SMG slinging, but I'm sure that isn't the only way. Another anon suggested Scorpion and somesuch. Keep us posted
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>>2100550
>smg 5
i think i might've noticed your problem
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>>2100556
Wanted to crank up Quickness and ranged combat early so I could hit shit and use the best weapon available at any given time. Don't worry, I'll stick to my objective of bullethosemaxxing
>5.56m get
Nice
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lmaooooo I completely forgot bout this. Shots fired at Cyberpunk 2077
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>>2100631
This was before that game came out, which is fucking hilarious
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>>2099686
Which edition is the best? The third one?
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>>2100631
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not a poke at 2077 but the RTG Cyberpunk edge in general considering Johnny Silverhand has definitely been around since Cyberpunk 2013, Morgan Blackhand most likely as well (but for the life of me I can't remember when Rache Bartmoss showed up, could have been 2013 as well.) For fuck's sake, the setting was so edgy the main city of adventure was called NIGHT CITY and had a gang warzone running right in the middle.
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Any ideas for a HK run? Will be playing on Hard. I have the most experience with Deckers and Samurais.
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>>2100733
None of them are really what you'd consider good.
1e and 2e are old shitty and obsolete. 3e is old but fleshed out and and less shitty but still jank but probably the one you'd be the most familiar with after playing the games. 4e is the most coherent one but you're gonna have to curate a whole lot of garbage. 5e is the worst edited game of all time and is barely playable unless you speak german because they got a different publishing deal and were able to clean up a whole bunch of CGL's vomit. 6e is an actual con job that almost killed the series.

Overall I'd recommend not even bothering with the Shadowrun system to run a Shadowrun game, as counter intuitive as it sounds. FATE would be my personal recommendation since you can just shove whatever weird shit you want in it (IE. cyberware, hacking, and magic) and still have it just work out okay without causing anyone a headache, but its a more narratively oriented game so its only going to be as good as your group is at roleplaying. Alternatively if you want crunchier shit I've heard people have ran Shadowrun hacks in Blades in the Dark and Savage Worlds before.
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>>2101736
Adept
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>>2101758
I can't use Cyberware on that, right?
Sounds interesting then, thanks.
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>>2101759
You get free cyberware without karma loss if you put a few points in cyberware affinity
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>>2101762
I should have said, I think it's 1 or 2 karma points worth depending on how much you wanna invest, obviously you don't get infinite free cyberware
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>>2101743
Oh yeah look up Frank Trollman's edit to the series, the dude is a crank but he knows how to make a matrix that is actually vaguely playable.
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>>2101743
I see. Thank you.
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>>2101736
Mage
Pick only aoe spells
Only cast them from the biggest leyline you can find
Revel in the chaos
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>>2101989
Already doing the adept run but I'll also try that one next, let's see how adepts play, never used one before.
Also, that sounds fun. Although, I tried to run a mage on Dragonfall and had to end the run because you never hit anything.
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Two turns now, try to hit a guy next to me and "missed"
This is going to be a long run
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>>2101994
Really? My mage was fine hitting things in DF as far as I remember
What absolutely fuck me up though was that when you try to cast an AoE spell behind someone who is in cover it shows the spell as being blocked by cover or something but that's just a lie. Took me half the game to realize I can just drop an AoE behind everyone to negate the cover
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>>2102015
My character is actually fucking useless, amazing.
>>2102015
Yeah, I couldn't hit a thing actually, I was building the proper stats but it was one missed after the other, only AOEs really worked and had to quit by the time of the ghouls
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>>2102044
I distinctly remember my mage having high as hell accuracy (certainly higher than any of my gunshooter squadmates)
Maybe I should replay it. The only absolutely fucked thing I remember in DF is that it would always send the MC in first during a combat encounter so he would instantly take 5 hits
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>>2102082
Mage have high accuracy vs most (non-mage) enemies with spells that target Willpower, like Flamethrower.
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Dragonfall on the highest difficulty has almost unbelievably annoying accuracy penalties. It really doesn't make the game any harder; it mostly just means you can't ever take any decisive actions besides laying up in cover and going for attrition. They removed that difficulty setting in Hong Kong, probably so morons like me wouldn't torture ourselves.
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>>2102082
My mage had great accuracy too because I picked cobra totem but if enemy was behind cover I could deal pitiful damage or even miss with 95% chance for some reason.
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>>2102104
>or even miss with 95% chance for some reason
You have to target the AoE spell behind them if they're in cover, if you hit the front of the cover it will just treat them as in cover
The 95% chance for AoE just means the chance to hit exactly the tile you targetted
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>>2102104
Cobra totem, and both Chain Lightning I & II (they don't share a cool down) are all you need. Fill in the rest with personal options, but hop on a leyline, pick your easiest target, and delete most of the enemies' AP.
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Cancelling the adept run, got to the mission on the sewers and frankly this is not a fun playstyle, one of the castings got bugged and couldn't even activate and yeah. I'll stick with guns or at least try magic.
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>>2102984
yeah, weird how that goes. Enemy adepts are always tough as fuck, but it's kind of stupid trying to run one yourself.
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>>2103284
>>2102984
Adept is OP as hell sillyheads
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>>2103419
Walk us through building an Adept then. Legitimately interested in making one work if only to play pic related
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>>2103428
Put points in body and chi casting
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>>2103432
Wait, you can just fuck off on Strength and Close Combat and it still works?
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>>2103428
Fist adepts possess a tiny fraction of the power a melee weapon adept does.
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>>2100631
But they aren't, Why would you use your real name? why make it so easy for other shadowrunners to doxx you?
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>>2103709
>this guy hanging out in a hideout is easy to find now that I know he's called John Smoth and not xXDopeLordXx
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>>2103717
Not everyone is hanging in a hideout, and being a Shadowrunner will not stop you from having parents or a lover. Knowledge is power, any decent Hacker may be able to doxx someone, but why make it easy?
>>2100372
Just use Karma cheat for your decking points.
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>>2103717
Despite what the games might suggest, not all shadowrunners are SINless guttertrash by default and might just moonlight as runners while broadcasting a fake SIN to protect their real identity. For Gobbet for example it doesn't matter at all if she runs with her real name too because she's only ever been guttertrash her entire life and doesn't officially exists. If John Smoth had a day job at TyrMcnogs and used his real name instead of an alias while doing hardcore criminal shit then its obviously an open invitation to have his real life fucked with.
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>>2103773
>or a lover
Fuck off normalfag
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>>2103794
In the Game bro, In the game.
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>>2103794
>he didn't choose the Evil Glory ending in Dragonfall where she BLATANTLY wants your dick
Zero taste, omae
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>>2103838
>Glory will never be real.

God is a cruel being.
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HK as a rigger was a blast. Especially after adding Racter to the team.3 extra bodies on the team trivialized the worst aspects of the combat.
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>>2103862
>girl with daddy issues who believes in quirky spiritualism who's been ran through by so many men and women she can't relate to anybody anymore
Literally go outside
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>>2103969
>Racter
How can one Slav be so fucking based?
>>2104049
But what about the implants? should I maim the girls?
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the throwing skill is actually not horrible. It also has the added utility of it not only being stupidly cheap karma wise, but also the fact that it's basically a melee attack that's ranged, and your strength scales off it. However it is pretty low damage generally speaking.
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>>2103969
Racter is pretty useless without Koschei.
Also how the fuck did you afford drones? HK is really tight on cash.
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>>2105462
By buying nothing else I assume
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>>2104304
After I've completed my SMG autism run within the next couple of days I may just do the same with a Troll Thrower just to see how far I can go with that shit
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Imagine Shadowrun 2077. What could have been.
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>>2105462
>Also how the fuck did you afford drones? HK is really tight on cash.
I assume by making cuts on your personal armaments side of things. You rely on what you find and pump everything into your drone. But really, "correct" class to play in all Shadowrun games is the mage because that's the only one not covered by your companions... unless you count Dante, I suppose.
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>>2105566
I mean, if they can eventually unfuck the engine it's not impossible that a shadowrun mod might happen
Nice double dubs
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>>2103432
>>2103448
I just did an Adept run hoping it would be cool but it just wasn't fun and I didn't bother with the bonus campaign. It's just too MAD, even if the special Chi swords are neat. You can make any character MAD if you try to do too many different things, but Adept is the only path where the primary gimmick doesn't work on its own. Mage? Will+Spellcasting covers your access to spells and spell accuracy. Samurai? Quickness + Ranged covers your access to guns and accuracy. Decker? Int+Decking. Etc. But Adept? Willpower + Chi covers your access to the Adept spells, but only helps your accuracy for Chi spells. There are like 2 offensive Chi spells, and everything else are buffs that are designed to make you better at tanking/melee. But you won't be effective at that part unless you pump Strength+ Close Combat, and if you want to use the cool swords you need to boost Melee as well. If you want a melee character, you're way better off going Cyber-based because then the only extra thing to pump is CyberAffinity, which isn't even that necessary and is tied to an attribute you'll be pumping anyway. Chi casting is even worse because it is the spellcasting line that is *most* demanding on having that stat to get access to spells.
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>>2106489
Thanks for doing a deep dive on that, Anon. Damn shame, it could have been a really interesting class.
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>>2065244
>They're all as good as dead unless we come up with a miracle substance that restores the added space freezing causes in your cells.
Also some way to fix cell damage in general. Freezing and defrosting causes a LOT of cell ruptures.



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