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Did you know?
A unicorn's horn is actually a sexual organ.
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>>1774964
Lets be honest here we all think the Lion is the best path
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most of the fights are real kino but the bullshit "let me attack 5 times in one turn with shit that hits 10 times each" and the "i'm going to one shot you that you can only prevent with this specific thing good luck figuring what it is lmao" that keeps happening really takes away from the new stuff
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Be strong anons
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>>1774980
I will continue hoping
I will continue coping
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I didn't even know that giganigga could insta-kill you, I beat his ass on the second turn.
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>>1774975
>Forced to go through the snowfield to get raped by invisible horses
That's debatable
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>>1774985
Character wise atleast.
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were do you find ring of fear again ?
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>>1774979
This, I know it was pretty much the only way to make challenging fights after how strong you get after beating Chaos Dungeon, but still
>Organic Death Ray
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>>1774985
>>1774975
Does Lion also betray you? I didn't like Unicorn until I broke her, and I really hope that both aren't massive cunts.
Also thought that you'd get covenants from the two
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>>1774979
Hopefully BS3 won't be such bullshit gameplaywise.
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>>1774979
I agree, it sucks the fun out of the experience. It’s just trial and error the entire way through the DLC. The messages outside each boss can only help so much.
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>>1775001
Lion doesn't betray you. You can even protect her so Mabel doesn't kill her
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>>1775001
Play her route and find out then my dude
Her scenes are also great
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>>1775012
Fuck the messages
>message outside Lindamea says "try break to dispel the immunity" or something like that
>third phase neither break nor dispell works
>you have to either pray you get the last hit when the invindibility runs out or just time requiem for it
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>>1774964
Unis is made for breaking
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>>1774999
>Organic Death Ray
I didn't mind the other bosses, but maybe that's because I picked Unicorn, seems a lot of anons struggle with her fight.
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okay someone GOTTA explain to me why JubJub helps you against Banders and Jabberwock in ending H
actually, someone have to explain the whole ending
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>>1775001
Lion just wants to make the mother of all omelettes.
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>>1774979
Imagine not just ungaing through with maxed stats.
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>>1775026
>he didn't use guardian angel
ISHYGDDT
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>>1775040
*laughs in dif 9*
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>>1775033
In Winterbell, if you watch the teddy flashbacks, you would find out that Jubjub(Little Sister Alice) visited Mabel. Their talk revealed that Jubjub might have fallen for Grimm but Jubjub denies that while running away. Can't show the pics since I overwrote the save and you can't rewatch teddy flashbacks once you've seen them.
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>>1775033
My speculation is Jubjub/Imouto Alice developed her own will and truly fell in love with you and wishes to free you like what Node wants. The other Alices are still part of the collective TCO and wants to keep you in Wonderland
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>>1775047
>>1775051
okay that makes sense, i thought the Alice silhouette from the flashback was Red in her Alice form
still kinda retarded though
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>>1775033
probably the same reason she birds you if you don't kill/lock her up soon enough, she want's the whole play gone and do nothing with this shit anymore
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>>1775046
What, you think I am some kind of weak pussy who shies away from the blessing of angels? Diff 9 is the only way.
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>>1775057
Why the hell would Red have an Alice form? Why would Red talk like that? Why would Red even visit or even know who Mabel is?
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>>1775062
shit, i meant Prickett
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>People still think the nightmares are the Alices
>When three death sfx play after the nightmares appear
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>>1775059
>>1775047
>>1775051
I honestly think its all of these. We already know that other Great Ones started ditching TCOs autistic play.
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>>1775064
Jubjub still didnt do nothing wrong if that is the case.
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>>1775064
If you can explain what they are aside from the obvious three then go ahead.
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Jub being sister Alice comes out of nowhere and makes no sense. Seems like EMMM was desperate to redeem her somehow.
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>>1775076
>The Alices are other great ones apart of the play
>They start getting tired of TCO bullshit and taking turns being loved by Grimm
>Nightmare Jannys come to clean up

>They kill the Alices for free/spoiler]
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>>1775077
That's because she isn't. Is it that hard to understand that Alices were not, in fact, nightmares?
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>>1775082
it would explain why their true forms look like different old ones
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>>1775089
Yeah, Jabberwock and the mother both have very different forms and although we don't see the other nightmare's forms, most of the Great Ones have an appearance with a trait of their character. Like Bill being a lizard thing and Dodo being a bird.
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>>1775082
I'd raise an issue on the clean up thing. With how EMMM splatters blood to indicate death like nothing, the Alices should have been splattered as well. It wouldn't make sense to make some kind of translucent sprites of Jub Bander and Jobber appear along side each Alices without showing actually something happening.
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>>1775082
It wont be the last we see the nightmares
Maybe then we will know the truth
only one of them cant be redeemed
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just played red hood's game before heading into BS2 and damn i thought the reason why she didn't feel anything was because she was born frigid, turns out its because of her fucking grandfather i feel even worse for her now she also fucks dogs, which is really fucking weird
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>>1775111
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>>1775064
Evidence towards them being the same:
>when they appear behind the Alices, they're translucent which is hard to explain any other way.
Evidence against:
>Mother Alice has a solid Great One identity which isn't the same as Jabberwock's
>all the other nightmares have totally different 0 SEN battle sprites to the Alices
>no other Great Ones play multiple roles
>in ending G, the three Alices show up after you finish killing the three nightmares
So I agree they're different but have no idea how to explain their translucency.
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>>1775064
what nightmares
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>>1775115
Fucks old men and dogs what a freak! imagine if she had kids disgusting
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>>1775119
Bandersnatch, JubJub and Jabberwock.
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>>1775118
There's an infodump in Winterbell that actually explains that the one of the first Great One to ditch TCO was the one for Mother Alice.
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ngl Red enjoying sex with Grimm kinda ruined her
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>>1775115
kek, i didn't know we had essex shit
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>>1775128
Screwed up the sentence. In short: original Mother Alice Great One left
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>>1775130
Now this is some autism.
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>>1775128
That was Older Sister Alice not Mother Alice.
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>>1775130
ngl i will fuck your ass
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So did any of you see the Soviet Alice?
It is straightforward and fun adaption.
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>>1775118
Jabberwock shows multiple great one forms in F/G
A to G are part of the cycles

>>1775128
Older Sister Alice
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>>1775139
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>>1774452
Did you ever consider what the nature of an undead is? The only undeads we have are Grimm, a creation of the Outer Ones, Hatter, who is an Outer One in reality, and the corpse eaters, who are created by imbibing star fluid. What do you think Lindy must be then?
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>>1775151
Super Bad End Grimm from the future
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>>1775151
Autistic Undead
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>Carnacki straight up tells you to take your meds
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>>1775154
Corrrrrrrrrrrect! You win!
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>>1775139
No, but I did see the cunny Alice which is available for free on Youtube with english subs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySyZcz7pBIE

If you want to download it, it's available at
https://mega.nz/file/J58DQIoJ#KB9gJY4ZL4uMqsSduYSpbkIxMq2Q2j9lZH6axkJr92o
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>>1775158
Carnacki posting is something I hope we never abandon.
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>>1775140
I think ending G is still a breaking of the cycle but GG causes a rewind afterwards. Because GG has Mary's power, it should function as the Mary Sue of the play and be basically omnipotent within it's Garden. Dina's book analogy explains it the best I think and is why I would equate killing GG to destroying the book so that no more cycles could be repeated and ending the story for good.
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Do you think there's anyone out there who actually disables the floor messages when they play? Imagine how much that person misses out on, why would EMMM even give that option?
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>>1775140
>A to G are part of the cycles
Sure, but saying that this is the one and only time a dead character revives in the same cycle is a suspiciously-convenient argument. You obviously need it to explain how e.g. you can kill the nightmares before fighting GG and they'll still show up in that cutscene, but claiming they'd do it in normal cycles is suspicious.
And Jabber loses the plot a bit in ending G anyway. You can't tell me that's all her role.
>Jabberwock shows multiple great one forms in F/G
So she can have a third just fine? And what about the other two? Jabber's outer one form is still a bird, but imouto Alice's isn't anything like that. Contrariwise, both of Jabber's forms thematically fit her (but not Mother Alice's).
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Can some jap speaker just ask EMMM this fucking nightmare = alice bullshit so we stop arguing about it every thread?
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>>1775166
Good to know.
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>>1775176
He'll just avoid answering or give us a vague answer
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>>1775176
i don't think he would answer it anyway
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JUBJUB IS ACTUALLY DODO IT MAKES SENSE THEY ARE BIRDS GOOSE IS ACTUALLY LEAF AAAAA
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>>1775176
If I recall correctly Jubjub got a moderate popularity increase in the post DLC3 vote so we probably aren't the only ones arguing anyway.

And it's not like it matters if we get a answer or not, We're still having fun right?
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>>1775169
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If you could consider the Alice forms having a different boss forms of their own, and the nightmares who play as their actors also have a different boss forms of their own. Does that make some kind of sense?
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Which alice would you fuck?
This isnt limited to black souls
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>>1775200
This one
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>>1775200
This one
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>>1775200
Prickett
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>>1775199
Jabby definitely has a thing for acting as a mommy too
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Jobberwock
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>>1775213
Curiously, she refers to herself as Big Sister, doesn't she?
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>>1775219
Sometimes, but in her dialogue when you go into the snowman field does show that he had some mom escapades.
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Alice?
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>before fighting GG you wake up in Dormouse's jail cell
S T A R
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>>1775130
Do you have a crippling bestiality fetish and low self-esteem?
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>>1775219
This is why I believe the Alices are related to the Nightmares. Jabber suddenly refers to herself as mommy when usually she refers to herself as big sis. I'ts also notable that the one appearing behind mother Alice at the H end is Jabber
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holy shit the jump in quality of BS1/red hood to BS2 is insane, i just started and everything feels better somehow, also fucking invasion and hollow mechanics? what the fuck, this will do until we get elden ring
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>>1775228
What does it mean?
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>>1775196
>the post DLC3 vote
Yeah, Jubjub went from 2,5% to 7,6%
But more amazing is imouto Alice herself, went from 0,4% to an amazing 17,6%
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>>1775234
There's also the issue of Great Ones being so into their roles that they start losing it.
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>>1775130
She didn't, though
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>God's Angel
>Celestial Ring x2
>Black Rabbit Ring
>Polar Bear Ring
>Margareth covenant
>Two-sided Buckler
>Mabel's wine
>Revive Armor
>kills No Face before he even gets a turn
OH MY GOD IM GONNA BUNGABUNGAAAAAAAAAA
my Attack is 40k while the other stats are under 7k
fuck grinding
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>>1775236
Enjoy it anon. And try to keep spoiler free, BS2 has lots of content.
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>>1775199
I think the only Great Ones that change to very different forms are Mary and GG who both have the same power. For Jobberwock to have two dragon forms and a moose form just doesn't make much sense. especially when that moose form is linked to another Great One with connections to Nyarlathotep. Also as another anon said, no actor plays two roles.
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>>1775237
S T A R
I have no clue and I also don't know why Hatter and Hare show up in Winterbell
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>>1775256
Just use Madness and Carpenter's screw so you can hit the attack cap and UNGA harder
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Alice...
What else could I do?
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Little sister jubjub is cute CUTE!
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>>1774996
I think one of the madness spirits drops it. Try slaughterhouse or any of the guys in the ludgwich area. I think the lad at the south western area drops it
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>>1775234
That's referencing the corpse at the tree, no? I think the first time you talk with her, she says something about her son.
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>>1775216
jobberwack
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>>1775014
>>1775019
>>1775038
Now I'll feel bad for attempting to rape her then,
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>>1775275
She won't mind. Her whole philosophy is that the strongest should rule.
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>>1775275
Don't, if you beat her she ends up raping you instead and is totally into it
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>>1775275
She will be happy anon the strong rule over the weak just like she wanted
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>>1775275
Oh don't worry about that, she likes it.
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>>1775051
Wait, I thought Jabberwock was her own things, not bound by TCO like the others with her own agency and shit
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>>1775234
This is just her talking about babysitting Leaf, "the twins" could mean nothing else.
Honestly sounds like she has dementia in that line, though.
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>>1775266
Nothing anon, but now we can do someting. We can HOPE
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>>1775286
It probably started out that way but as the play went on they started to take on their roles more and more as the teddy bear scene explains it
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>>1775229
i guess i like the idea of them being friends/comrades more than them being lovers
also the fact she fucked him after he killed Poro is terrible
and it makes the rape scene in Upper Lutwidge worse
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>>1775286
She is, she even tries to keep you to herself when you try to rape her and lose, only for TCO to void her.
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>>1775286
Jobber's whole thing is cultivating and creating the perfect Black Soul. She also manipulated Mary into becoming a monster. She was also watching Grimm and Mary the whole time in BS1.
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Q. Remove horror parts.
A. I'm sorry if it scared you, you're completely right.
It's the creator's bad taste. Please find the ability to compromise in your generous heart.
You are brave and strong, your soul more tenacious than you may think.
No matter what fear or malice comes for you, it cannot kill you.
Your conviction is true, and as long as you don't give up it will sweep away
any fog of nightmares and give you the power to keep advancing.
...However, if you find yourself tired, there's nothing wrong with seeking
solace in the embraces of the heroines. Rest your feet for now,
and one day you will conquer any challenge before you, that is what I believe.

hopeCHADS never give up your struggle for the happy end.
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>>1775305
We'll keep struggling until the end of ends and then struggle some more, don't you worry.
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>>1775305
>Despairfags get Ending H(ell) meanwhile hopeCHADs choose to LIVE and get H(eartbroken)
Kino
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>>1775200
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>>1775314
I'll pull through anon, even without Red we will find our own happy end
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Every time you choose talk Mabel talks about different things.
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Does anyone have the BS2 compendium with all the saves or a notepad with all the secrets from pre DLC3 like Kuti on the beach
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Is there a way to recruit Gerda to hep against the final boss? If not, what is the benefit of her quest? I got her book, but there wasn't an option to summon her, only nightgale and the knight.
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>>1775294
I'm pretty sure the beggar dog is not Poro
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>>1775335
Yes, you just need to reach Kai before meeting her in the Igloo
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>>1775335
You have to ignore her, go all the way to the city, kill the snowmen, then go back and direct her safely to the chapel
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>>1775278
>>1775279
>>1775280
>>1775282
>lawfag stabs you in the back
>Chaosfag's not a sore loser
Based, can't wait to see it for myself
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>>1775352
Chaosfag is a far easier boss fight though
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>>1775352
It's not even Lawfagging at this point. Just never trust a woman that preaches equality.
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>>1775259
some anons said to keep away from guides and walkthroughs which is what i usually use for rpgmaker games since i'm too stupid to get clues for true endings and what not, should i just complete the game in vanilla first and then use them for the other endings or use a walkthrough straight away so i don't get locked out of true endings and shit?
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>>1775374
Just do a blind run to get what you can then look up guides and walkthrough because some of the secrets are either obnoxious or RNG gated
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>>1775374
Game is built with NG+ in mind, using guides of any sort will spoil you of the experience.
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>>1775374
I'd say do everything you can to figure out the truth first and if you get stuck look up a walkthrough.
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>>1775374
The game's designed around you doing multiple cycles and trying out and finding something new everytime. I highly recommend you do your first cycle blind and then use a guide is you really have to
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Post yfw "I was born to judge SIN"
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Jabberbros this can't be happening...
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>>1775396
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>>1775385
>>1775387
>>1775388
>>1775390
got it, i started with a guide that told me to get negative sen right at the start so i got the first bonfire of a weird ass place called mental ward, i'll restart and play the game as if i didn't know this
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>>1775396
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>>1775410
Oh, don't even bother with that shit at first, you can do some 100 sen and 0 sen playthroughs or even just mess around just to see what they're like. The switching back and forth is only needed to get everything in one run.
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>>1775374
Personally, I think you should do more than one blind run in the second game. Why? Because the game contains so many mysteries, and every time you make a different choice everything becomes different.
On my first run I didn't even use the SEN mechanic.
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>>1775410
That guide is not only garbage but it's also incomplete
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>>1775396
What was more Kino?
>"I was born to judge SIN"
or
>"I refuse to accept this end."
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>>1775426
Will we see her again?
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>>1775396
too bad the third phase was me boringly spamming attack while waiting for the Immortality effect to end
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>>1775432
>this is my house
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>>1775447
Who?
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There sure is alot of handholding and baby making sex in these games
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>>1775447
what the FUCK was her problem?
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>>1775433
At the end of the day, the only characters confirmed to be dead are Red, and maybe Mabel. All the other major players of BS2 can, and most likely will return.
>>1775439
Thematically it was kino and the closest you can get to replicating the ending of MGS4 but the actual gameplay couldn't live up to the hype.
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>>1775455
it was her house, duh
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>>1775458
How is Red dead? She grabbed your hand in the last end and you see her in the G end.
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>>1775465
She only lives to 20, Anon
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>>1775466
Why? How? And even if that's true, she's like 14.
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>>1775470
Finish ending G
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>>1775470
End G, Leaf mentions it while doing the funny face. And Red went to an university, she's around 19
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>>1775470
She's 19, anon...
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>>1775465
Who do you think was laying in that bed in H end?
>>1775470
Leaf literally says that she made Red with an expiration date of 20 years because muh tragedy
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>>1775470
Leaf said she made it so Red will die at 20 and she also said that that's less than a year from that point
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How do I view previous text and hide the text UI?
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>>1775174
She didn't revives, she's just playing another role. Jabberwock's dead, Mother alice isn't.
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>>1775482
this game isn't that fancy.
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>>1775482
>hide the text UI
Hold the Q key. It doesn't hide the names for some reason, so use it during narration text if you want to see the full image.
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>>1775475
>>1775476
>>1775479
>>1775480
>>1775481
I don't remember that part... Maybe I should have teamed up with Leaf(but I really couldn't bring myself to betray Red), or maybe my memory is just hazy.
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What the FUCK was his deal?
Seriously though, I understand that The Frog Prince is the first tale in the Grimm collection but why does he appear here, what's the purpose of him appearing right outside of Grand Guignol's location, in a town frozen in time and devoid of all other people besides a few visitors?
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Is there any way to change the screen resolution without going full screen?
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>>1775492
Your memory is hazy she says it right before she does the big laugh and Grimm punches her into wall mulch.
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>>1775492
You team up with Red, you beat Leaf, she's all smug that Red will only live to 20 and Grim is destined to outlive everyone and then you punch her face in
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>>1775500
He's a friend of the family.
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>>1775500
My headcanon is that Grimm himself summoned him. Even after everything that happened in BS2, Grimm was still fond of the wonderland girls. He wanted someone to stay behind to care for them.
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>doing chaos dungeon on a new save
>bellcaller floor
>the one nightmare spirit that reflects magic is the one I get after switching to a magic build
Thanks EMMM, very cool
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>>1775599
That's what you get for not going all unga all the time
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What's the list of all ultimate skills in the CD?
So far I've gotten Dorothy's, Goose's, Elizabeth's, Elma's, Jeanne's, Victoria's and Catherine's. Are there anymore?
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>>1775610
I'm also only level 300 and don't have L***'s ring so I get what I deserve, I guess. These guys are way overtuned though.
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>>1775396
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At least trashlord's theme is good. Never wanted to see these fuckers again though.
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>>1775625
There's also the skill Black Wave and Black Slash
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Can't lie, cunny's great and all, but Blackwell's scene with the mask on was a nice CG. Reminds me of all of those Darkest Dungeon Plague Doctor porn and I don't mind the descriptions of her age that would normally put off a man who goes UOOOHHHHHH ALICE.
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>>1775666
Take off her mask pussy!
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>>1775666
trips of truth
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>>1775657
Okay, thanks. It took me 1742 floors to get all the skills and I never want to go in Mabel's fun box again.
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>>1775287
>"the twins" could mean nothing else.
I thought so as well, but don't Dee and Dum talk about a rattle on a new cycle or something?
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I'm going to Miranda
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>>1775666
>mask on

it's a waste. she looks like a grown up Miranda. mask off is better
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>>1775692
Does Jabber have any connections to the Tweedle twins? Jabber babysitting Nug and Yeb makes more sense with her connection to Yeb.
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>>1775701
Miranda with big boobs.......
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Before I replay the first game, was there some bullshit with having to find the run skill too or did you have it out of the box? Also, the skill that made you invisible was somewhere east on the farm right? Behind the animals boss?
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>>1775717
the run skill comes from the dodo covenant. the invisible skill is near the elevator between the market and the fuming forest, iirc
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>>1775717
You can run from the start.
Maybe you are thinking about the mount for the desert?
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>>1775234
This is correct.
The Great One who plays Jabberwock actually plays 2 characters and is losing herself in the role of Mother Alice. This is why she has this talk with you before the door and calls them "old memories" that you should ignore, almost as is she's embarrassed to have fucked up her role as Jabberwock.
This also explains why she was willing to lay down her life fighting JubJub at the end to keep (You). She was so lost in the role of mother Alice that the entire creator arc of ending G is being suppressed. I'm not sure I fully like this though as it requires you to think of the Great One playing Jabberwock to be a lot less mentally stable than was hinted at in ending G and kind of undermines her arc.
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>>1775728
>mount
Was there something like that? Last time I played was a long time ago. I just want to avoid the tedious parts, that is being able to sprint past the random encounters.
>>1775724
I asked about black souls I
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>>1775705
That's what trips me up, I can't think of any references or interactions regarding them but it fits the dialogue of both.
>>1775717
You could always run in BS1, but you don't get a Dodo-like skill in it from what I remember. Best you get is the desert Fluffy I believe.
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>>1775733
It's the fluffy you give milk to.
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Lizard butte or white rabbit titums?
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>>1775732
>I'm not sure I fully like this though as it requires you to think of the Great One playing Jabberwock to be a lot less mentally stable than was hinted at in ending G and kind of undermines her arc.
It makes sense to me. Look at TCO larping as a little girl when they were one of the biggest motherfuckers on the block back in the day. I'd say it's handled a bit roughly though.
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Anyone's got the BS I fullscreen patch?
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>>1775717
Yeah, "HIdden Body" spell is in a house with Bremen.
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>>1775759
>Look at TCO larping as a little girl when they were one of the biggest motherfuckers on the block back in the day.
This was my initial thought as well but it requires you to assume that there were a lot of cycles between ending G and ending H when most playthroughs will only have the one cycle between the 2. She has no time to lose herself in the role to such a degree that it suppresses the urge to be a creator. TCO is batshit insane and has never been shown as anything but throughout our cycles so it works there.
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>>1775770
I use IntegerScaler to stretch RPG Maker games and Elona.
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>>1775774
>but it requires you to assume that there were a lot of cycles between ending G and ending H
Pretty sure that's actually canon, given the game starts deep into the cycles and the 100 SEN Red meeting exists already without (You) seeing G personally.
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So is this Pricket? I think I remember that later on you meet a doll that replaced the original teaparty Alice (who I think was Prickett), but then what is the new doll? Also, why was Prickett "disowned" again?
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>>1775770
Yeah, here. Just ignore the BS2 fullscreen++ patch in this mega since that one is for the DLC2 version.
https://mega.nz/folder/akdRHKgT#Mrsb57tzsbJlRheAkLCTbA
BS2 DLC3 version's fullscreen++ patch is here.
https://workupload.com/file/z49gbVAGwb8
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>>1775789
thank you friend, I tried looking through archives with no luck for the first one
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>>1775788
That's Prickett.
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>>1775788
She developed freethink
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>>1775794
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>>1775701
>>1775673
I understand your feelings, but I just like boning with helmets/masks/even a paper bag on in general.
Speaking of which, the hell is up with the viscera, The King in Yellow/Hastur and the sackhead girl? I got the head blows up scene. I'm not well versed with Hastur's stuff
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>>1775794
Prickett/TCO was 01, anon. She was "killed" after Prayer Master summoned Mary into Wonderland.
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>>1775800
Also I don't think that Prickett was disowned so much as she gained her own will and split herself off from TCO.
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>>1775804
>Prickett/TCO was 01, anon.

I know that Prickett was 01 though.
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Who made the original wonderland where Prickett, Prayer Master and Grimm/Lewis lived?
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>>1775801
https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Saint+Adeline
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Oh right, I forgot suffering was high from the very beginning
>>1775794
So the Alice you see at the start of the game is Prickett, aka Alice 01 the one you see later is a doll made by TCO, also known as Alice 02, and the doll you see in bs2 is... Alice 02? GG pretending to be the Alice 02 doll?
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>>1775816
Prickett/TCO, with Prickett being the face for the collective at the time I believe. Don't quote me on that though.
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>>1775813
I'm retarded. I thought you were referring to 02 being Prickett when I looked at the image. Apologies.
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>>1775787
I don't see any indication there are multiple cycles between G and H endings. In fact Nodes book should make it 100% confirmed that it follows the number of NG+ you do since G ending. I know it starts you at like 67 cycles in but if Jabberwock is sane enough to have a villain musing in ending G at 68 cycles in and then so lost in the role of Mother Alice that she is willing to die fighting to keep Grimm to herself by cycle 69 it gives no time for her to develop this impairment that robs her of her base self.
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why are you guys saying that prickett and TCO are one in the same? i don't follow, lore dump me pleasu
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>>1775825
I think that its also important to note that TCO has been LARPing as Alice since before Grimm was created and that not enough time would have passed for any of the other Alices to go that insane.
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Retard squad here, our attempt to get through DLC3 shall begin in a few days, but first we want to share our predictions for what we think will happen in the DLC.

What we want to happen:
Grimm genocides all the "girls"/his eldritch abomination children
Prickett/TCO, Daughter/Sister/Mother Alices, Jub Jub, Bandersnatch, Cheshire Cat and most of all Node, Jabberwock and L*af meet a fate worse than death, suffering for eternity
Miranda, Red, Vernai, Hein survive and escape with Grimm
BS1 characters able to be brought back to life
Grimm fucks both Baphomet and Mabel before sending Leaf to be eternally cock and ball tortured to mega cuck her

We manage to figure out a single percent of what's going on ourselves
We don't spend 17 hours wiping on bosses
We manage to thoroughly explore everywhere and talk to all new NPCs

What we think will actually happen:
Grimm's kids get away with being complicit in the cycles with little to no consequence
Prickett/TCO, Daughter/Sister/Mother Alices and Jabberwock get defeated only to have the even worse Leaf take their position of power
Cheshire Cat, Node, Bandersnatch, Jub Jub pull some we really loved you bullshit by helping us ever so slightly then fuck off being entirely unpunished for their actions
Miranda, Red, Vernai and Hein all die
Grimm escapes Wonderland only to be dragged into L*af's garden
L*af burns the books of all the BS1 characters perma killing them
Mabel turns out to have only have helped us for her own schemes then tries to gank us

We have zero clue what's going on
We die hundreds of times then just farm souls after giving up on doing any fights properly
We accidentally miss 80% of the content

We've seen tons of black bars and people saying they can't get through some boss fights, so we figure we have no chance whatsoever of understanding the lore or the boss fights.
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>>1775821
Alice 02 explicitly says she was created by Alice 01, so I'd assume it's Prickett that made her. As for what she is exactly I think it's exactly what she looks like, a doll/puppet constructed by Prickett. BS2 Doll Alice is Grand Guignol and I don't think it has any real relation to the 02 from BS1, at least from what I can immediately remember (GG was explicitly created after the events of BS1).
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>>1775852
The way I see it, GG is basically Alice 02 with Leaf's creation powers sealed inside it.
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>>1775841
>We have zero clue what's going on
>We die hundreds of times then just farm souls after giving up on doing any fights properly
>We accidentally miss 80% of the content
I have a prediction for you retards with these. You're probably right, also raw stats aren't going to help as much as you think due to new DLC combat quirks.
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>>1775836
I'm okay with the actors playing the Alices and Madnesses to have gone insane and become lost in their Alice roles. I just think it needs time to establish a slow decent. Jabberwock has no signs of being Mother Alice before DLC3 cycle, we get one line before we enter the DLC and then a self sacrifice in the name of a motherly need for dick. It feels like her character was sacrificed in the name of JubJubs arc.
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How bad was 9 in the first game? Was it ng+ only or can you still power through fine as long as you know that leaf is pretty darn op?
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>>1775825
I think you're placing too much stock in what (You) see regarding the cycles rather than what Grimm and the actors themselves would see in the cycles. The non-H endings have definitely happened before, and multiple times at that. I'd agree that all of that needed more time to properly develop though, even if it makes sense given the stated reasoning it feels rushed from the player perspective.
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>>1775856
I suppose that's possible, it'd also work as a nice double meaning (Alice 01 makes Alice 02, Red Queen helps to make GG). It'd be a bit strange as to how it got there but it's GG, I'm sure it can handwave a reason.
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>>1775857
>I have a prediction for you retards with these. You're probably right, also raw stats aren't going to help as much as you think due to new DLC combat quirks.
Well fuck, guess we're gonna spend even longer than we thought wiping on the bosses. We couldn't even figure out that you can kill the Old King of Chess's reflections by gun breaking them.
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>>1775882
Peace....
Holy forest was so comfy
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>>1775887
Yeah, you're boned. DLC 3 expects the player to know how the combat system works and to constantly adjust their gear. Even regular enemies are prone to raping you if you don't treat them like threats.
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>>1775882
Holy Forest... Home...
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>>1775893
Guess it's time to buy Rabbit Watches in bulk then.
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>>1775909
Watches won't save you from everything. You can have your items disabled.
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>>1775909
That's a funny joke.
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I don't often get that invested in characters anymore but I felt a bit moved at the dead Red scene.
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>>1775841
I can tell you right now a lot of your assumptions are flat out wrong, so you guys are in for a true surprise. My advice for all the Nodehaters: there will be lots of salt

DLC3 is actually kinda short, but it makes up for it massively by being KINO and forcing the player to actually strategize. No more ungabungas. Sure you can still cheese but there are some limitations. Minimum recommended to begin: 10k in all stats, and you had better learned all the skills in the game pre-DLC3

Also some free advice: There's basically zero content for a SEN 0 run in DLC3,so don't worry about missing something behind low SEN, just keep it above 30. Also prepare to shit brix.

DLC3 is it's own contained thing, so you don't need to worry about your current cycle's progress and all that
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>>1775869
I never tried power leveling at the beginning.
I can't remember enemies or bosses becoming troublesome with difficulty, except for those two Cinderella's knights chucklefucks.
And Poseidon bosses are going to kick your ass even on difficulty 0 if you are not ready for them.
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>>1775929
>DLC3 is it's own contained thing, so you don't need to worry about your current cycle's progress and all that
Don't you literally need Blackwell letter from main game to get Florence as summon
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>>1775599
Bonedust, bro.
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>>1775094
>We don't see the other forms
Go fight them at 0 SEN
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>>1775937
How about a sl1 diff 0 run then? Was it done with summons leveling or without it?
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>>1775914
>>1775918
Well damn I guess we'll have it done by the time BS4 is out then, our knowledge of combat is stacking buffs with different weapons, casting Requiem then just spamming with Anchor/Vorpal/Uchigatana/Miranda's Axe and abusing Rabbit Watches as needed.

>>1775929
We have the stats but not the braincells. And fuck N*de, all my homies hate N*de, I think even the one N*defag swapped to disliking her. We hope she at least gets killed but we know she'll just get away with her bullshit.
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>>1775880
I do actually agree that Ending G has happened multiple times. The issue I have is that we can pinpoint the last time we had an Ending G and that is almost always 1 cycle before the H ending. In that cycle the actor playing Jabberwock has lost her drive to be a creator to the Mother Alice role taking over. It's not about it not being establish enough to the players, it's about it not being reasonable in world with what we know.
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Look whom I found!
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>>1775960
>her bullshit
She literally did nothing wrong, and I say this as not a Nodefag
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>>1775988
Enjoy best girl
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>>1775991
>Nodens
>Teaming up with Nyarlathotep
She did everything wrong.
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>>1775999
She clearly regrets it and has been helping you out for the whole game.
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>>1775966
I don't recall anything about her saying that she lost her drive to be a creator, but I could have missed a line about that.
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>>1775924
Red always moved me during ending G already, but H ending really did leave me heartbroken as far as video games go. The fact that she's your trusty ally during BS1 help forming that connection with her too.
During my original run of BSII I never got caught by her 100 sen form. I felt so relieved when I was fucking around with SEN and found out it was her coming to save me.
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>>1775996
Gender bender is hot as fuck
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>>1776011
She doesn't say she did but I think if the world was collapsing than the last thing our Jabberwock from Ending G would have on her mind is roleplaying an older woman and getting dick. With Both TCO and JubJub its outright said they are losing themselves in their Alice role, I don't think it's a coincidence that Jabberwock is sacrificing her life to play her role of mother Alice, she's lost in the role and no longer considering her drive to be a creator.
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Now this is a face I haven't seen in a while. This one looks like she'd make a great mother
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>>1776028
You know it my man
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>>1775991
We are unreasonably harsh people, as far as we're concerned anyone that had any involvement in the cycles being carried out deserves to be killed or preferably eventually punished in a similar manner in Grimm's own garden. We can see the arguments for how the ones with minor roles aren't as bad, mind you we still see them as being deserving of punishment. But Node we can see no redemption for, even if she truly came to love Grimm, truly changed and somehow came to understand human love and in DLC3 went on to be the driving force behind Grimm obtaining his freedom, in our eyes that wouldn't absolve her. Since in our view, if you get someone into a shitty situation then getting them out if it is the bare minimum you owe them, and you're still a bad person for getting them in that situation to begin with. Even if she didn't get Grimm into the situation but was merely complicit in him getting stuck in it, we still think she's shit. DLC3 could change our views on this, but we're doubtful it will.
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Guess I might as well do a screw the world cycle before getting the proper endings. Kinda need it for the cgs anyway
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>>1776028
Yes.
Does Mental ward files retcon that?
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>>1776040
She gives out free footjob
what a bro
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>>1776040
Impregnating a man who turned himself into a woman...
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>>1776076
Was it like that?
I thought it was a girl becoming a guy and then becoming a girl again?
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>>1776076
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i cant seem to increase my atk any further, is this the cap?
i also need to go explore mabels depths for the other stats
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"as long as the realm you are in is a garden, i'll appear to hunt you from it's sharp corners"
this pretty much confirms that lindameia or his mount is a dog of tindalos
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>>1776093
yes
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Does Red Hood make more appearances throughout DLC 3 or is it only at the end? I didn't meet her on the bridge again in Lutwidge Town after finishing ending G and before going into DLC 3 so I wasn't sure if I was missing out
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So, I started BS2 and it's bretty gud
I'm going in blind
At some point a lot of NPCs died, wtf happened?
oh, and I have way too much skills, I noticed a "skill storage" tab, but how do I use it?
Thanks bros
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>>1776112
New scene in Lutwidge after she's kissed you I believe.
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>>1776134
>At some point a lot of NPCs died, wtf happened?
This is your first goal, figuring out what the fuck happened. Try exploring as much of the world as you can before cycling. Skill storage is used by pressing Shift on the skill you want to store I think.
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>>1776080
Always a girl, Leaf's fanfiction made her believe she was a guy
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Best way to farm?
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>>1776134
BIRD'D
keep in mind the torches in the library dream, they are a counddown to deal with something
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>>1776142
oh, okay
Are there any clues?
I tried to find every body, but there were little to no clues
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>>1776154
also, it seems like the turtle girl killed herself? does it have something to do with every other NPCs or what?
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>>1776154
>are there clues
not really, unless you really pay attention to the story
but figuring it out is were the fun is at
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>>1776134
The skill storage lets you remove skills from your skill list, you know in case it gets too cluttered by useless skills.
Ain't fun scrolling past 20 spells if you are a pure meele build.

To put a skill in or out of the storage just select it and press shift.
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>>1775942
So I just did and made this shitty collage. I don't see a lot of similarities.
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>>1776147
In BS1 or BS2? I'll just list BS2
Until you reach level 999, Crash Chamber at 0 SEN, you can do it with Storm Ruler really easily if you have nothing. Turn the difficulty up as you get more powerful to get more souls from each kill
After that, Chaos Dungeon is the best way since you just buy Tainted Black Souls en masse to get stronger. After you finish the Chaos Dungeon and fight the boss at the bottom, you should be able to handle the boss rush.
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wtf is this bullshit,lorde attacks me 10 freaking times as soon as teh combat starts
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>>1776154
There are a couple of dialogues which make references about this.
One of them gives you an actual direction where to start, but figuring out how to get in there is a puzzle on its own.
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>>1776154
>Are there any clues?
Yes. Most of them require you to pay attention to the plot and NPCs though there's a few environmental ones. You can also prevent the event from happening if you explore enough and happen to take care of the source in the process.
>>1776196
He's doing you a favor.
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>>1776196
Just parry him you casual
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>>1776206
>Pic
He's right, you know.
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>>1776206
>think of the kids
I'm not sure this is the right thing to say to LC
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Someone plese give me the pastebin with DLC 3. I don't want to look for it myself and risk spoilers.
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>>1776241
No pastebin this time
https://ipfs.io/ipns/k2k4r8l7mxpi57sotykoy5f5ucakg0dr0ib0avmyjhwmofkvpfhfd510/DL/RJ237469%20-%20Black%20Souls%20II.7z
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>>1776196
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>>1776247
Thanks, see ya in a week or two.
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Oh no ITS BREEDING SEASON AAAAHHHH
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>>1775835
Pricket, the niggerman formerly known as TCO & Alice ver Alpha
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>>1776256
Node's sweat...
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Does any of you guys have a screen of Lilith boss from Old Rotten Burg? Not interested in playing the game myself, just curious about how that particular boss looks and google gave me no results.
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>>1776247
has it been translated?
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>>1776251
>>1776229
yeah those would be useful, he he didn't get first turn before i do and diodn't do three 800k damage crits in a row
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>>1776196
Its a shame we couldnt be allies in the end, he seemed like a cool guy.
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>>1776267
you already know the answer to this question, anon. look around you.
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>>1776268
What in the fuck is your DEF anon. You can cheese his opening rush pretty easily as well.
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>>1776265
The meatball?
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>>1776268
try going full tank along with indomitable ring OR going windless armor for 100% evasion and black knight ring to negate fear, you still need to tank some damage but not that much.
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kek
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>>1776271
He's far too jealous, and would backstab you.
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>>1776265
>Not interested in playing the game myself
Then why ask for the meatball?
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>>1776278
40k
but sorry, there was an extra zero, he only does 80k crits
i'm on dif 9 obviousy
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>>1776282
That's our EMMM
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Please close your eyes
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>>1776282
Wait, so is this why DLC 3 was so short? He couldn't fit any more skills into the game?
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>>1776273
I'm trying not to look at the other posts and pictures because I don't want to get spoiled
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>>1776290
>80k
That's much more reasonable. Why not use the Mercury Shield if he's critting you anon?
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What if Elden ring sucks and he loses his inspiration?
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>>1776299
The fact that the thread is fast should be proof enough. don't worry about it
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>>1776268
Just use the counterattack ring with big anchor to utterly BTFO him.
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>>1776305
>BS1 is DS, and BS2 bloodborne
Is BS3 already in production, or is he waiting for elden ring?
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>>1776297
Well you CAN increase the maximum somehow, took a look at MGQ paradox part 2's list.
Still waiting for part 3 and part 2 was released in 2017 lmao
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>>1776305
There is always Sekiro and Lords of the Fallen
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>>1776289
I saw it mentioned on archived /v/ thread and anons said it's fucked up. Found only censored pics on some korean website, which only intrigued me more.
Sorry if I sounded like a cunt, don't mean to be one. I just don't have patience or enough masochistic tendencies to play through it for a couple images, especially since the area is apparently hard as fuck.
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>>1776305
He can always read more fairy tales.
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I remember him saying that he liked Ghost of Tsushima
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>>1775869
9 is just a meme speedcheck.
You may actually be able to do it with some rat grinding without NG+ pretty easily but if that kind of autism isn't for you I'd just adjust according to what difficulty allows one dodge plus one attack before enemy turn.
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>>1776305
>ooooooo elden ring
Why did this make me laugh
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>>1776305
>BS1 is Demon's Souls
>BS2 is Bloodborne
>BS3 is ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
when is EMMM going to properly rip off a Dark Souls game
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I despise this DLC so much. There's no fun in fighting anything in it and there's no way to enjoy the story without just reading spoilers. Fuck this crap.
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>>1776315
He's making 2 side games first about the princesses and red
Reminder that BS2 was released on the 10th Nov, 2018. We're waiting a while.
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>>1776329
You're not wrong, it is shittily designed
But also check if your difficulty is at 9
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>>1776329
I'm sorry that you have brain damage.
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>>1776329
I won't lie, I cheated and gave myself best stats to skip the bullshit part. I absolutely agree, fights weren't really fun in the last dlc. Even BS1 was more interesting in the gameplay aspect.
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>>1776280
>>1776289
talking about the boss from this area >>>/v/558960814
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>>1776328
EMMM IS CUTE!
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Only dodos dislike DLC 3 combat
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>>1776318
>I saw it mentioned on archived /v/ thread and anons said it's fucked up.
It's not that bad, at least in my opinion. I'll grab a screenshot in a bit. The area itself is scaled to be roughly as difficult as the end of the DLC area I believe.
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Based EMMM exposing brainlets.
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>>1776342
ANGEL SWORD LMAO
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>>1776316
Yeah hows that going for you?
We will get the 2 sides games before paradox part 3 translation
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>>1776318
Sure
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>>1776351
Even if it's not that bad I remain fueled by curiosity. Thanks in advance, anon.
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>>1776328
What a dorky little dork
I cant belive he is the mind behind that Touhou horror series and black souls
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>>1776313
>>1776303
i finally found a way to cheese him with a full tank build.
Killing him was easy, it's surviving his initial dead combo that was hard
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>>1776351
There's way worse shit than this in the series I'd say.
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Everyone else reacted like 'aaa what is that??!' so I only saved the relevant ones.
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>>1776372
>Translation
One beautiful anon gave us Japreader. I played Paradox part 2 untranslated with shitty machine translation and this works much better.
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>>1776389
Leaf has the best dialouge in the game drinking boss encounters
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>>1776391
>Japreader
explain further
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>>1776391
based fellow japreader anon
i know a lot of japanese already but japreader is awesome
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>>1776328
I hope elden ring is hit so that he can create a masterpiece from that despair
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>>1776391
Is it really the same as playing a fullt translated game though?
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>It's a stone's throw
sasuga google translator
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Alright bros, I think its time for me to plunge into DLC3.
I wanna go straight to the new stuff so I'll be starting from my old save. My Grimm is lvl 600, all stats are well above 10k, I have all the op gear, spells and rings, end G done and Chaos Dungeon past depths 1 (if I remember correctly, may have to double check on that one).
Question is, what stuff will I miss from not restarting with a brand new character? has there been changes in the wonderland beyond the dlc areas location?
wish me luck, I've heard its tough
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>>1776409
>has there been changes in the wonderland beyond the dlc areas location?
Yes. You might want to cycle to see Blackwell's new content and there's new spells, a weapon and scenes scattered around the map as well.
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>>1776409
there are some extra scenes and some things require to do you certain parts in the main game in a certain way
also your shit is gonna get pushed in with those stats
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>>1776409
Blackwell has a different outcome from vanilla.
There's a secret room + weapon in the fire forest, I don't mean to spoil but you'll likely never go back there otherwise.
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>>1776422
>I don't mean to spoil but you'll likely never go back there otherwise.
>he doesn't grab Jeanne's book every cycle
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>>1776409
You're gonna have a hard time. Go straight to the Chaos dungeon and grind. Also beat the Boss rush for more dialogues.
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>>1776431
that's on the other side though
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>>1776409
There's plenty of new scenes with old characters, including a new Red scene which honestly should be obligatory.
Also you can now talk to the doll at Oxford.
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>>1774964
I just started DS1. Is there any downside to just killing myself dozens of times and gorging myself on the Black Souls™ I get? It's what I've been doing.
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>>1776448
You still see the message on the other side and it looks different than it did in DLC 2 I believe.
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>>1776409
Since you already have stats past 10k which is a reasonable starting point for DLC3, you might as well get your level up to the cap as well.
You WILL need that health.
Hope you know about weapon switching too, that's going to be more and more relevant the deeper you go
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>>1776451
It's terribly inefficient, but other than that nope.
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>>1776451
No, besides that it's pretty fucking inefficient timewise.
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>>1776451
Nope
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>>1776460
>>1776461
I'm having a hard time with Hansel and Gretel and I think it's because I'm just bad. This is the only way I see that raises my ATK. Please help.
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Did the dlc get translated yet?
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>>1776466
abuse parry
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>>1776466
You did kill Helkaiser right?
Just the weapon alone should carry you.
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>>1776466
Parry and Dodge are broken in BS1.
>I think it's because I'm just bad
You probably are but that's part of the learning process.
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damn the sad thing about me having to make an op build for the prince of hell was taht it made all phases of the final boss a fucking joke. Guess i'll try it again without rings, for a more fair figth
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>>1776379
>>1776389
>>1776385 Gimme the worst if you have it. I eat meatballs for dinner.
Thanks anons. Shit is weak indeed, the name is creepy at least. What's the robot doing in there?
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>>1776476
I thought that was a scripted loss. Whoops.

>>1776470
>>1776479
I will try and see what happens. TY anons.
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>>1776476
Love how the name is the post of a shitter. I remember that thread.
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>>1776483
I don't think any of the enemies are THAT scary. BS2 DLC 3 amps up the horror by a pretty decent amount but it's not going to be nearly as spooky without context and it's largely situation based instead of enemy based.
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>>1776483
>Worst
I guess pic-related?
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>>1776504
Wait where the fuck is this? I beat both games but I don't remember this.
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how to get Leaf's ending in BS1. The whole where she gets covered in blood and stuff.
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>>1776504
Ew
Its mostly the dialouge that spooks me
The mas rambling of nightmare spirits as they talk about their past crimes
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>>1776503
Feel free to drop a tldr of the context if you wanna. I know how powerful tool it can be.
>>1776504
Hahaha. NO.
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>>1776525
*mad
Curse these fat fingers!!!!
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>>1776517
That's a Chaos Dungeon enemy.
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>>1776491
Yeah once you learn how important dodge/parry is & identifying when to use em things will start to get rolling.
>>1776499
All he had to do was own up to it instead he took offense thinking it was bad design or something if I recall.
Then that anon came in and showed him the steps. Fun times.
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Are the games decent if you only care about the story?
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>>1776522
equip leaf's ring and select her after beating cinderella
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>>1776533
AAAAAAAAAA HOW MANY LAYERS DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH TO EXPERIENCE EVERYTHING EMMM?
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>>1776483
>Gimme the worst if you have it
You asked for it.
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>>1775402
Kek, it's still as fun.
Mabel is really the best.
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>>1776522
What he said >>1776538 but after doing ending C
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>>1776395
japReader is an addon for Textractor, it has a dictionary and a DeepL translation tool. It's pretty good.
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>>1776537
The story is the best part.
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>>1776537
The plot is literally why people play the games.
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>>1776537
Do you think people really care about the gameplay or porn so much?
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>>1776526
>Feel free to drop a tldr of the context if you wanna.
wew lad, I'd have to unironically summarize most of the game up until that point given how much shit that segment runs off of
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>>1776565
>>1776565
I care about the gameplay...
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>>1776565
I care about the porn...
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>>1776537
Very much so.
80% of BS threads are black bars because most anons want to respect those just starting.
Underneath those spoils are mostly story related & or speculation regarding story. And despair, a lot of despair.
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Good fellow
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>>1776537
Much more than decent anon. Give it a go.
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>>1776541
This fucking whore made me scream at 1am
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>>1776541
The god is dead, Boo killed him.
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THIS IS YOUR FRIEND
THE BEST ALLY IN THE WHOLE GAME
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>>1776565
Quite enjoyed the BS2 gameplay. Not sure what so many anons have against rpgmaker gameplay. As far as I'm aware most rpgmaker games are horror no combat walking sims.
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>>1774964
how do I play this? where do I get it?
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>>1776609
>was there for me when no one else was
>sacrifices himself so i can keep going
niku-sama... arigatou
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>>1776609
He will be in BS3, right?
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>>1776569
Sorry. That's why I said "if you wanna" lol
>>1776618
here >>>/v/558964284
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>>1776050
yes, it do
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>>1776609
>It's the 4x bullshit fucking unavoidable damage turn from Unis meaning I'm going to die after fighting this bitch for 15 minutes now
>The wall tanks all of them letting me win
And here I thought Vernai couldn't be topped as best ally.
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>>1776569
Alright, here's an attempt. By no means is this a complete description and it's completely missing out on the hours of buildup and context leading into it but I'll focus on this segment in particular.
You briefly transition from regular gameplay to a VN segment. The setup is that (You) are Lewis Carroll, housesitting three lovely girls by the name of Lorina Liddell, Alice Liddell, and Edith Liddell. Over the course of a few days in the house you find more and more fucked shit happening in and around the house, notes pasted everywhere, radio transmissions of you being on trial for the murder of the girls, the works. This ultimately culminates on Day 4 which you saw in that image (assuming you fucked up which most people do to get this ending to the sequence) with shit completely hitting the fan, the girls dying and the house turning into a nightmare zone.
It's a lot scarier with actual context and knowledge of what's supposed to be going on and what doesn't add up with the segment.
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>>1776466
The prayer master at the spawn can level you up. Sell every colored souls, they are worth a lot.
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>>1776677
That's good for the start of the game but later on you'll want to start eating the souls instead of selling them.
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>>1776652
rip alice
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>>1776609
I never used it and finished the DLC without allies....
Yet I lost my greatest one in the end...
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>>1776609
I literally never used him because I never found the spell even though I did more than 5 playthrough.
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>>1776640
The second link is probably not the dlc3 one
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>>1776686
Yeah but he's at the start of the game.
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>>1776691
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>>1776696
You sure?
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>>1776609
grim's meat is tough
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>>1776609
This is my DLC3 bro right here
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I know it has little in common with Black Souls, but is the Last Sovereign a good rpgm games anons?
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>>1776753
Looks soulless.
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>>1776753
I didn't get that far in it, it felt pretty linear though I could tell there was a lot of effort put into the plot at least.
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>>1776753
I enjoyed it a lot. Play it for 30 minutes. If you're not interested at that point then it's probably not your cup of tea.
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>>1776753
Its plot heavy and your choice means a lot to the game.
There's no cycle so you'll probably miss out on a few things.
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>>1775064
Okay, but consider this.
and there's also the fact you see Alice standing where Jabberwock is right before you fight her.
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>>1776784
I don't even know why people believe that Alices != Nightmares when its so blatantly obvious with the reveal in the ending.
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>>1776753
The plot and the choices/consequences are the strongest parts of it. Gameplay is standard RPG maker gameplay. Art is bad. I know it's an H-game but the juvenile dirty jokes in virtually every item description and some characters' dialogue like the succubi also detract from it I think. Give it a shot for an hour or two and see how you feel about it, I still played about 40 hours or so before losing interest. It's unfinished though so keep that in mind.
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>>1776791
People are really fucking dense.
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Any links to this game? The dlc looks like it added some good shit and I desire it.
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>>1776800
They must be Mabel's spawn.
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>>1776823
I love Maymay bullying
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>>1776816
>>>/v/558964284
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I was playing the DLC3 and it was pretty hard. But what truly made it bizarre to me is that my characters is basically as strong as possible and I thought I was playing on difficulty 0. I did stop before the last boss, and at one moment I went to see the difficulty, and it was set at 9. I guess because I explored the chaos dungeon before. Still, I got to the last boss like this. Some other time I might put on difficulty 9 again and kill him, but for now I'm happy to put a 0 and see the ending.
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>>1776828
>difficulty 9 got another one
Based Dokuro-chan.
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>>1776828
ANGEL'D
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>>1776828
ONE MORE ANGEL REJECTED
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>>1776753
pesonally i enjoyed it but i can't speak for everyone
get erady to have 8 wiki tabs open at the same tiem to take tract of your investments though
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>>1776800
I feel like the whole Jabber = M Alice was very rushed and not well written, especially after the focus she had in g ending, which is why so many anon hesitate on accepting it
Leaf in G ending says she'll finish this in her true form. Jabber in G assumes her low sen regular form before evolving. But mother alice looks completely different.
It's my only gripe with black souls's writing as a whole so I'm happy to look past it.
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>>1776833
pipirupipipirup!
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>>1776852
Nah, I get it and I agree as well. Still, it's probably the only instance of really rushed writing that I can think of in both BS games.
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>sprite turns around so it looks like you're actually sitting on the throne
sovl
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>>1776862
There's so much polish and care put into these games holy fuck.
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>>1776791
It was the weakest development of the DLC, barely had any foreshadowing, felt meaningless and even disconnected from previous events with those characters. Denial is a perfectly natural response.
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>>1776883
I honestly didn't notice the other two behind daughter and mother the first time and just thought JobJub came in to kill them and make herself useful
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>>1776889
I noticed all 3 and still thought that, it was really clumsy. I was only really convinced after re-reading their soul's descriptions.
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How do I beat the Old King's second form in the Chaos Dungeon? It seems like it becomes invulnerable and the reflections end up killing me.
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>>1776927
Break the mirrors.
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>>1776927
It's a break check dodo.
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>new dlc
wow nobody told me
Just downloaded it, how do I access it?
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>>1776946
G ending and Carroll River.
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bros, should i explore mental ward as soon as i get to it? i already killed the dog boss but this place is really fucking spooky and i found no boss to kill in it
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>>1776953
You might be able to do it as soon as you see it if you know how to gear right, but odds are you're better off doing it after the game points you back to Lutwidge.
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>>1776609
Ya meaty boy is always there when you need him.
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Ok, in the DLC I got the Heartbroken
ending. But I understand that there are others.How do I get them?
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>>1776966
Heartbroken is a continuation of Hell, you're fine.
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>>1776969
Yeah, but aren't others?
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>>1776972
Nope
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>>1776972
That's it my man, the DLC is shorter than you might expect and the meat of it is in the interactions.
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>>1776833
>>1776839
>>1776841
... that fucking whore, I'm going to rape her again.

Tangent:
>My elder sister was crazy about sex too
So is Haigha Mary's little sister?
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was maymay truly just pretending?
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>>1776992
I believe that's the implication, they're also face each other in Winterbell right below the VN room I believe.
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ok, two questions:

1) what was the ending scene suppose to mean? the one after the credits. Who was that girl, and what was her relation to the MC? Why is it called hearbroken ending? I don't understand that scene as a whole

2) What is all the stuff that I can see in the VN segment? I didn't saw >>1776503
this for example.
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>>1777015
Are you talking about Red on her death bed or Prickett as Alice saving you?
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>>1777018
The part after getting out of wonderland (apparently)
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>>1777015
>Who was that girl, and what was her relation to the MC?
Dodo that's fucking Red, dying.
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>>1777015
The girl in bed? Thats Red. Leaf programmed her to die when she hits 20. She's 19 in g ending
Mess around with stuff, just spam through the first day, it doesnt matter
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>>1777015
1. That's Red
https://youtu.be/5tMIN_Ee4IA
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>>1777036
Just thinking of this scene after makes me want to fucking kill myself.
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>>1777050
Lidell house. The VN portion. You have to be the cunnym@ster.
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>>1777036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mmDiJsP3sk
I don't want to go to scarborough fair anymore
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>>1776993
yes except she fell in love with Grimm like everybody else
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So do any other DLC3 bosses have secret dialogue?
I know there's also dialogue for using Miranda's Axe against Lindy but I haven't seen anything else.
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>>1777050
Fuck all three girls.
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>>1777060
Only Linda
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>>1777056
You gotta give it to Leaf, she crafted the most amazing meat dildo in the multiverse.
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>>1777060
I love the BS bros
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>>1777074
Praise Leaf!
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I think the "bad" ending seems much happier and good than the "victorious" ending
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>>1777089
Red still dies
Alone
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>>1777089
t. TCO
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>>1777089
You need to have HOPE, anon.
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>>1777100
If Grimm has the power of a creator he probably can change that, if he wants.
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>>1776862
I left my character there for quite a while to see if anything would happen. Nothing did.
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>>1777103
what if there's a third H ending which is called Hope
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>>1777108
Anon...
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>>1777108
Then DLC3 would have been the purest form of kino.
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>>1777111
what? It wouldn't be first time we missed something in the game like the whole thing about using the key from the corpse in starting room somewhere else
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>>1777104
No matter what, it won't be the same Red. All the BS1 girls you knew are dead, and any attempts at bringing them back will just be copies.Except for Leaf that is~
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>>1777117
>whole thing about using the key from the corpse in starting room somewhere else
Huh?
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>>1777120
But it turns out that you really can recreate the ship of Theseus if you're using magic.
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>>1777120
that's arguable since souls exist in the setting
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>>1777117
Where is this somewhere else exactly?
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>>1777120
Not if I fucking go back in time and kick their souls into a new body at the moment of death.
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>>1777120
Ship of Theseus situation.
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>>1777120
Fuck off Leaf. Great Ones can't impart souls on things because they lack human hearts. A human with HOPE can struggle and bring them back.
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>>1777120
Explain Elizabeth.
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>>1777123
You can smuggle out the bloody key that spawns on a corpse from the first room of the game and apparently it provided unique interaction
>>1777128
Dunno, I saw only that mentioned and while I managed to get the key itself I didn't find anywhere where to use it for something unique, might have been someone trolling
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>>1777138
This.
No, really, how the fuck did she even get in TCO's garden again?
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>>1777148
She was recycled.
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>>1777148
TCO just reused her fairy tale, that's all.
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>>1777148
Same way all the other hold overs from bs1 were.
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AAAAAAAA
BROS
RED HOOD ;_;
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>>1777151
Red was brought in by Node at least.
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>>1777128
Depth 99 Layer 9999
Then you use the key and get the sax with mabey
Or thats what the trolls said pre-dlc3
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>>1777166
yeah that's gonna be bullshit
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>>1777124
>>1777131
Fuck your ship of Theseus, you'll know that it isn't the same deep in your heart
>>1777127
>>1777135
Like Mabel said, souls are just memories on loop.
>>1777129
Someone's been playing too much Chrono Trigger.
>>1777138
Elizabeth's hatred of Red is an ingrained part of her story, she never reacts to you at all. It's possible that it's an Elizabeth without any knowledge of you or maybe it's the same or maybe her hatred is just so powerful that it can transcend all limitations.
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>>1777141
Unique interaction where?
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Why did she do it bros?
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>>1777178
>Fuck your ship of Theseus, you'll know that it isn't the same deep in your heart
Says you.
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Did anyone ever make an update to include dlc3 girls in that chibi list?
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>>1777181
fuck if I know, it was probably bullshit but the fact that you can get the key makes me belive there is some use
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>>1777178
>you'll know that it isn't the same deep in your heart
If it walks like a bird, talks like a bird, looks like a bird and acts like a bird, then I can use it to make omelettes like a bird as well.
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>>1777182
I don't think it is the same "actor", just the same "role".
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>>1777104
Grimm didn't get GG. It's most likely that Leaf got it back again.
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>>1777275
Why do you say so?
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>>1777275
he literally picks it up
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>>1777275
>Grimm didn't get GG
[citation needed]
Everything indicates he did.
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Does difficulty raise my companion's damage too? carnacki just critted for 6 million damage
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>>1777194
I never even realized that it was a separate key, I always thought the body just had a normal Master Key. I just did some testing myself, and at the very least the Bloody Key seems to only be able to open the starting door and it isn't an option to open Mabel's chastity cage. I can't be bothered to look around for any extra interactions and can't think of anything special you could use it on.
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>>1777339
>carnacki just critted for 6 million damage
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>>1777343
kek
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>>1777339
It raises their HP at least, pretty sure it raises the other stats as well.
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>>1777357
Carnacki posting shall be eternal.
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Are there any resources for speedruns/low level runs? Also has anyone bothered with dumping all the text in the game?
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>>1777386
>Are there any resources for speedruns/low level runs?
Not that I know of.
>Also has anyone bothered with dumping all the text in the game?
The japs apparently did.
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>>1777340
>I can't be bothered to look around for any extra interactions and can't think of anything special you could use it on.
My idea was one of the pernamently locked doors but it didn't work
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>>1777386
SL1 anon uploaded some of his boss battles to youtube, but I didn't save the links. Shouldn't be hard to find though.
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>Mabel talking about only building snowmen
>Mabel talking about the Old Ones of the Elements

What the hell, she didn't say this stuff the last time I got here. Does she respond to covenants or something?
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>>1777435
It's from a random pool of conversations.
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>>1777438
>deep war lore
>even deeper cat lore
fuck, why does mabel like rng so much.
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>>1777435
>maymay revealing the truth of the most despicable most obscene most vile beings to exist.
I wasn't ready for that.
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>>1777458
>>1777461
She was joking, anons. Niggerman would never harm you...
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>>1777438
Is there more besides
Old Ones of the elements
cat lore
saving the dead
what garden would we make
falling into carrying
Our daughters
Am I missing some?
creativity being powerful
Old ones not understanding why pretend to be human
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>>1777488
Did you get the Black Trial one?
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>>1777509
Yeah.
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How do you beat Nightingale again?
I dunno but I forgot how to fight her first phase and keep getting stun locked to death
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Does anyone understand what that last scene with the monster in the nursery was about?
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>>1777551
>keep getting stun locked
Have you considered stun resistance? Just a thought.
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>>1777560
The what?
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>>1777339
Chadnacki
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>>1777580
What a fucking bro
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>That Lion 'rape' scene
Holy Moly
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>>1777633
Mating press is hot as fuck
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>>1777572
The part soon before the wet nurse.
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>>1777659
It has something to do with the real life Florence Nightingale but I'm not sure what it actually means. Look up the The Lady with the Lamp.
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>>1777633
>Tall brown amazon that reverse mating presses you with a smile on her face
How can Unicucks even compete?
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Isn't Lion Whirlwind kinda op?
I got 4 actions (my own and 3 Black Rabbit Rings'), 50% chance of an extra thanks to Kuti's covenant, and the skill attacks every enemy three times.
On top of that, each strike seems to have a 50% chance of casting another one.
It sounds kinda ridiculous. And I love it.
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Which fucking stat should I focus on when choosing my armor? Since every battle in this dlc is requiem and weapon switching unless I want to die. Evasion?
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>>1777720
I just used angel raiment so I had enough hp to tank some hits
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Any tips for the shitty angel? Both phases fuck me over.
Also what's the cutoff point before the angel kills florence?
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>>1777720
Depends. Sometimes I go evasion, sometimes I go HP tank, and sometimes I just go good old defense.
>>1777742
The moment you appear in the jail she'll have killed her.
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>>1777747
So I'd have to defeat florence, give the letter and then immediately go back to the nurse's call room to prevent that?
I wonder how many runs that angel ruined
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>>1777720
It really depends from battle to battle. And the rest of your equipment.
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>>1777756
How do you even get the letter defeating Florence? I just got the letter one day when she disappeared from the cathedral.
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>>1777772
Speak with Blackwell in Lutwidge Town before Progress 10, she's a few steps south from the Mental Ward.
Then speak with her in Ripon Cathedral's bonfire, also before Progress 10.
After Progress 10, if you prevented the birdening, the letter will be in her place.
Pick it up, give it to Florence in DLC3 after defeating her, and thats it.
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>>1777789
Walls make the best bullies.
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>>1777756
If you give her the letter then you don't have to worry about the shitty angel killing her.
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>>1777772
Do blackwell's questline
>Find her at progress 1 in the town, speak to her
>Meet with her at least once post progress 4 at the church, maybe meet her at progress 4 and 8
Go get her letter at the spot she was at once progress 10 os reached
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>>1777791
>>1777799

That's what I did, but in this process you don't defeat Florence in any moment
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>>1777802
Because you give it to her after the fight numbnuts, you can't get blackwells letter to Florence from Florence.
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>>1777802
Oh, it's that you need to bring blackwell's letter with you when you do the florence boss so you can show it after you've beaten her. It's not an insta-skip for the fight, just an option that doesn't lead to kill/rape when you confront her after the fight
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>>1777802
Yes, you do. You fight her in the DLC3.
You can't skip it either, so idk what are you saying.
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>>1777808
>>1777814
>>1777820
I'm sorry, I'm Dodo-brained and I was confusing florence with blackwell
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Where's Gerda? I'm on the lion route, i talked to her inside the igloo and i already know i fucked up but i can't find her anywhere.
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>>1777829
In the whiteclaste town. I think you have to go through multiple secret passages to get to her. Her location isn't far away from Lindamea. It's in a chuch.
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>>1777822
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>>1777829
you dont have any save file available? its just not talking to her in the igloo. She should be in the chapel going through the roofs
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>>1777834
Found her, thanks. poor kai
>>1777844
No problem, i aways do 2 runs, one to rape and kill and other to do the "right" things.
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>>1777036
fuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaack
it's not fair bros
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Is the Beggar Wolf in Lutwidge Town really Poro_____?
What the heck happened? How? Why?
Dude. That's so sad.
Perhaps Red Hood's next game will explain some things.
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So I just started the game a little bit ago.
Is there anything you can do with Hansel and Gretel? I didn't take the bread so they didn't become bosses, but Hansel just tells me to give candy to Gretel and she doesn't seem to want anything.
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>>1778043
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>>1778046
Go outside.
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>>1778051
Didn't realize I had to talk to him twice. Thanks Anon.
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>>1778048
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>>1776305
>>1776317
Don't forget, Armored Core.
I want to believe...
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How do you get the absolute precision technique? I saw a video of an anon using it and now I want it.
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>>1778133
Pickle Pee and Pump a Rum
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>Playing BS2 for the first time
>Was expecting it to be hard but holy fuck
>Think I'm finally getting the hang of it
>Find myself constantly getting assraped by Gacy and his fuckdamned instakill
Any advice on how to git gud? I do solid damage and the other attacks do reasonable, but no matter what that neck attack drops me from full to 0.
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>>1778215
Who the hell is Gacy?
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>>1778221
the clown in queensland

>>1778215
use requiem
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>>1778221
https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Wayne-Gacy
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>>1778215
I think grit should save you, only if it isn't multiple attacks
>>1778221
Murder clown
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>>1778215
There's instakill resist out there in the game, unga is also an option.
>>1778221
John Wayne Gacy, the clown killer in Queensland.
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How do you guys remember the names of all these random nightmare spirits?
They weren't really tough enough to recall.
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>>1776978
It can't be shorter than Deep Sea, right?
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>>1778215
Equip anti-instakill gear.
Resurrectionist's ring from a nightmare spirit in the Slaughterhouse or a shield, I forget where you get shield from though.
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>>1778239
I don't think that one even is a Nightmare Spirit proper.
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>>1778239
To be fair, Gacy had a proper introduction and separate map for himself. Also, free candy.
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>>1778239
By force
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>>1778239
I've ran through the game enough to memorize most of them.
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>>1778229
Tried grit, but he always attacks more than once. So it's useless against him.

>>1778226
>>1778231
>>1778244
Clearly I have more exploring to do, though. Thanks, lads.
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>>1778239
I just remember some significant cereal killers like gacy & naziman
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>>1778272
If you have problems with a clown than be careful with a plushy tent. Winnie the Pooh is going to break your spine in five places with one strike.
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>>1778239
Once you try looking it up, it really sticks to your head. Try searching up Sawney Bean.
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>>1777036
>>1777025
>>1777022
>>1777018

WHAT THE FUCK
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
I DON'T WANT TO SUFFER ANYMORE
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>>1778375
Red died
Alice/Prickett was left behind with TCO, possibly dead
Node presumably died fighting a last stand
Dinah presumably died fighting with Node
Mabel got squished to death
Leaf escaped. And is the only real winner of the entire story
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>>1778375
>>1778392
Did you rike it?
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Please tell me Leaf doesn't survive if I sell her ring.
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>>1775805
>Tfw I was completely right about Prickett all along
Feels good tbqh.
The proof that she WAS a part of TCO originally were always there. Only fools couldn't see it.
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I am not sure if it is intentional or the game implodes on itself, but sometimes you can see glimpses of low SEN enemies in some locations when you are on high SEN.
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>>1778424
Fools like the one who still can't accept Alices = Nightmares.
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>>1775882
I want to go back there so badly...
Those were the days dude. Chilling in Comfy Forest with MY WIFE AND MENTOR DOROTHY, living without a care in peace and harmony...
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>>1778432
It wasn't real...
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>>1776112
There's a wolf in the easternmost part of Lutwidge Town at 0 SEN. Kill it and she'll show up.
Other than that though, she doesn't have any more appearances until H for some reason.
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>>1778392
Prickett would need to be split from TCO again but Grimm seemed pretty confident in being able to save her in the future. Mabel is absolutely going to show up in the future, though Yog's likely not going to be in the Mabel form since that shell was destroyed.
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>>1776147
>>1776192
I bet to differ. Miranda at Diff9 with Silver Ring of Avarice is far faster than the Chaos Dungeon.
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>>1778436
Neither are you...
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>>1778440
>Mabel form since that shell was destroyed.
Those shells are made by the great ones themselves, Mabel could remake the shape and even if some godless reason she couldn't, we have gg, we could make it ourself.
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>>1778445
BAHLICE
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>>1778440
>Grimm seemed pretty confident in being able to save her
He seemed pretty confident that he could save Mabel and look at how that turned out.
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>>1778448
Prickett is to TCO as Mabel is to Yog

A part, but somewhat distinct.
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>>1778448
I'm pretty sure she purposefully destroyed the shell so she would stop falling into the role like the other actors did.
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Is the site up again?
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>>1778460
No
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アリス!
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>>1778466
I am gonna come back there and rape her
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>the new Victoria scene references the BS1 Victoria ending

man fuck this
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>>1778472
>SNAP
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>>1777275
>NOOO! Node is not pure, she's lying in F/G! She's the mastermind!!
>NOOO! Prickett was never a part of TCO!
>NOOO! The 3 nightmares are not the Alices!
>NOOO! Grimm didn't get GG!
I look forward to the next cope.
Amuse me. Entertain me more.
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>>1778460
I got a warning for that set of chibi BS girls that happens to have numbers near their bodies.
4chan itself goes down soon after.
That's what happens when you remove multiple Alices at once Janny.
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>>1778478
>Node is not pure, she's lying in F/G! She's the mastermind
unironically the thing that got me, wtf was all that foreshadowing with Unicorn and Lion looking at her and the jap name thing
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>>1776711
Yeah, I don't think the hgg2d link got updated yet.
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>>1778487
Where did you get this warning? /vg/ I assume?
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>>1776823
Don't bullies her, you jerk!
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Are all the assets in the game completely stock? Music? Sprites? Portraits? Everything?
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>>1778496
Here, they also removed everyone that said the r word >>1778048
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>>1778507
Not all of them, the scribbly portraits and artwork is EMMM's shit. Pretty much everything else is some variation of bought or stock assets though.
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>>1776993
No, we literally see her refusing to participate in one of the bear flashback, she never played a role in the story, intervening only in dlc3.
She was also always sayong "meta" stuff regarding the great ones which she shouldn't do if she was pretending.

The only things she was pretending about is liking wine.(why do my heart hurt so much bros)
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>>1777104
Yeah, well about that anon...
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>>1778572
Not that anon but that's the entire idea of why GG wants to go with Grimm in the first place, it's because Grimm can actually create more than just puppets.
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>>1778572
>BS3 where Grimm botches and revives all the heroines who have died
>Boss fight against Grimm and his puppet heroines
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>>1778572
As an author, Grimm's creative powers should pull through.
But she also mentions that someone with a tainted soul can't truly create a happy world so it will end up getting fucked eventually.
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>>1778445
Come to think of it, where the fuck is the original Alice Liddell? Was she killed? There are memories of her growing old, but her sisters are in the game and quite young, so I guess the age doesn't matter much with outer ones shenanigans. Did TCO merge with her or something? Or is the quest for Alice still ongoing? There was an Alice soul in end G, but was it the real one, and if so where is it in the new DLC 3 ending? I'm starting to think that we might be still going to Alice even after all the shit that happened.
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>>1778595
>There was an Alice soul in end G, but was it the real one
No. G was a part of the play, so nothing in it is true. Lewis didn't move on either, he's still inside Grimm.
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>>1778598
>G was a part of the play, so nothing in it is true.
Red is still missing an arm in H and Poro is pretty much guaranteed to be dead if she didn't summon him. Maymay also seems to imply that G WAS a wakeup from the dream (the bed from H is the same as the one you wake up in in G) but since GG wasn't taken care of it cycled the game still.
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I don't understand at all.
What is real? What is fake?
What is a garden and what isn't a garden?
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>>1778607
Without love it cannot be seen
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>>1778607
>What is a garden and what isn't a garden?
BS2 Gardens should be Prickett's shit through the looking glass in the Pond of Bloody Tears, Node's is Winterbell and the associated surroundings, TCO's is Wonderland proper, Mabel's is Shatranj AKA the Chaos Dungeon.
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>>1778617
No. Wonderland is TCO's, Prickett has nothing but she's acting as the Red Queen of Wonderland. Winterbell is GG's.
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>>1778607
A garden is like a dollhouse
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Getting rolled with 20k stats at DLC3, should I grind some more?
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>>1778623
>Prickett has nothing
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How are you filling the void between game releases anon? Personally I'm replaying the first game and learning to draw in the meanwhile. I need me some more of that fairy-tale-lovecraftian-rpg-anime-gore-rape-lore-despair kinda stuff to scratch the super specific itch emmm embedded inside my brain now. Maybe it's time to read lovecraft?
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>>1778634
playing videogames, watching anime, trying to make myself start to write
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>>1778632
Well it aint queensland
Maybe a secret chamber
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>>1778634
Normally I would make my own garden in ai dungeon where Grimm gets a happy ending but that's no longer possible.
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>>1778632
>Winterbell is GG's
Though I suppose this one is a bit more up to debate.
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>>1778491
>wtf was all that foreshadowing with Unicorn and Lion looking at her and the jap name thing

I have a theory that Uni/Lion were going to betray and trap Grimm in the room where Mabel got crushed
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>>1778632
I honestly think she's implying she only has a space within TCO's garden that can avoid his control. This seems to be the method used to get Grimm out of wonderland in the ending. Prickett isn't a Great One and has no powers of a Great One so she obviously cannot make her own garden.
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>>1778644
I only think one of them would do that COUGH COUGH unicorn
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>>1778642

>>1778640
The conversation is literally taking place at Queensland. I could maybe see an argument for a secret chamber or something but that feels like a bit of a stretch.
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>>1778642
Wait, if that's the home, where the hell are the beaches she spoke of? Or am I misremembering and she only spoke of bikini, but not any beaches, and she's just going out half-nude in snow?
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>>1778646
>Prickett isn't a Great One and has no powers of a Great One
How is a fragment of TCO not a Great One? She's also stated to have created the Alice Doll so she at least has some creative power.
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>>1778650
Did you run like a Dodo?
Right as you go in....
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Okay, how about this: BS III, but not in rpgmaker, and everything is encrypted, so it takes 3+ years for people to reverse engineer the true hidden ending that's inconclusive again and makes all the previous endings false.
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>>1778650
Good question, and one that I can't quite answer. You do arrive on a coastline when you enter the castle if memory serves, but the clown says this in Queensland. It could be something as simple as Node only considering her garden to be her home or something like that, but that's just speculation on my part.
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>>1778650
There are beaches there though
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>>1778655
but people still didn't reverse engineer the true hidden ending in BSII
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>>1778657
Actually, I think I just realized something. Queensland is probably future Winterbell, just that Prickett remodeled it for her purposes.
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If you look at the map, everything through the looking glass in the pond is its own separate section in lower left.
Winterbell area is the white part.
Chaos dungeon, Library, and Crimea aren't on the map.
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>>1778634
>How are you filling the void between game releases anon?
Playing other videogames and watching animu.
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Unicorn's weapon moveset is literally Fiora from league of legends. Her Q, W and R
kek
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>>1778685
WAKE UP AZATHOTH
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>>1778477
Ouch my wrists :(
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>>1778685
I want to fuck everythinginexistencebywakingup Azathoth-chan!
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Victoria and Angel blood threesome when?
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>>1778695
We will get 5way shimaidon in BS3 with Victoria and the 3 succs she mentioned
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>>1778685
what would be her personality?
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>>1778699
I wonder what bridewhore kittyfisher dose to her victims.
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>>1778630
Double check your difficulty and get better at the game. With 20k stats, you should be able to handle everything fine, you just need to know each groups gimmicks.
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>>1778705
NTR/Marriage scam
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>>1778705
She's a real person as well, it's pretty interesting.
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>>1778709
My god how horrible!
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>>1778712
Wait what?
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>>1778717
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Fisher
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>>1778695
Speaking of shimaidon threesomes, Mary and her little sister Haigha threesome when? I'm already a touch annoyed that even with the new scenes, there wasn't an option to just forcibly introduce them, unless I missed out on prison interactions.
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>>1778719
EMMM is such a westaboo and i love him for it
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>>1778707
Ok, for some reason I was on 9 but still, everything starting with requiem is pretty brutal considering they deal like 40k x 3 damage per hit.
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>>1778733
OH NO NO NO NO NO
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>>1778733
ANGEL'D
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>>1778634
I finished the game two days ago and I really want to do another playthrough, at least of the DLC zones.
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>>1778733
>Ok, for some reason I was on 9
Remember to liers deserve rape!!!
>requiem is pretty brutal considering they deal like 40k x 3 damage per hit.
It's not worth it to fight the fodder enemies, but guarding, requiem, and dispel are you're friends. They won't always save you, but they're pretty good.
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I can't be the only person who really enjoyed the new combat stuff and really hopes for more of it in the future, right? Feels good knowing that that's most likely what we're in fact getting. I feel like by the time emmm is done with 2 games and makes BS III the final boss might have 30 phases with different gimmicks each and it's making me so damn hard you wouldn't believe it.
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>>1778733
>everything starting with requiem is pretty brutal
Don't do like me and get the dispel magic from billinsgate.
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>>1778746
I loved the domain system, with some refinement I think EMMM could finally make that difficult game he's wanted to.
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>>1778746
I really enjoyed it but EMMM has to dial it down a bit. If BS3 started with that kind of shit then it would suck a lot trying to make through content the first run.
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>>1778746
>the final boss might have 30 phases
ah yes, dying on phase 23 and then having to do all the previous 22 ones, peak kino
that sounds like fucking cancer
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>>1778738
I keep seeing her mentioned when people are stuck at difficulty 9. Is it a meme or does doing something with her trigger difficulty to change?
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>>1778746
>I can't be the only person who really enjoyed the new combat stuff and really hopes for more of it in the future, right?
The domain systems are dope, the existence of knights and orcs and to a lesser extent charging horses and corpse eaters very much anti-dope.
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>>1778755
Her "blessing" when you refuse salvation turns your difficulty to 9.
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>>1778746
We should have an unkillable boss hunting us in the next game like Prince of Hell in the first few cycles. Would be nice to keep the tension up.
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>>1778746
there are some good ideas there (like the domain systeM) but EMMM really needs to cut down on the multiturns and multiattacks for both the player and the enemies and make it a proper back and forth
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>>1778763
Ehh, I'm not super feeling that. I'd prefer Lindamea constantly invading.
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>>1778766
The domain stuff can be used for everything though. Like I think the final boss should have something like +10k% to all stats (aka everything maxed out), you always get 2 turns in row but never more and you can't use items, that would be supreme
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>>1778762
HAHA I KNEW THAT THING WAS TO SUSPICOUS
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>>1778762
heh jokes on her I already started the DLC on diff 9
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>>1778766
I think he already recognized the bigger issue with BS2 combat, Rabbit Watches. Multiturns are definitely unbalanced but watches were a mistake.
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>>1778766
Pocketwatchfags got what was coming for them. EMMM had his revenge.
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>>1778746
>but EMMM really needs to cut down on the multiturns and multiattacks for both the player and the enemies and make it a proper back and forth
I think a lot of that is because of three DLCs worth of powercreep.
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>>1778762
>refusing an opportunity to be killed(saved) by Dokuro-chan
Well deserved punishment.
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>>1778776
there's nothing wrong with watches though, items not using turns was the real problem. Lowering your cooldowns harder by using a watch would have been fine if it took a turn
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>>1778777
you say that anon but I literally pocketwatched owlguy to death
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>>1778780
>there's nothing wrong with watches though
Blatantly incorrect.
>items not using turns was the real problem.
Debatable, the game definitely went too far in terms of how many items are free actions though.
> Lowering your cooldowns harder by using a watch would have been fine if it took a turn
Would have been much more balanced at least, though I'd argue it'd still be too strong considering how many extra turns you can get.
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>>1778768
It is kinda cute how hard he tries.
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>>1778779
sorry bro I don't wanna pi piru piru piru pi piru pi back to the bonfire constantly
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>>1778777
Except all the DLC does is making you abuse pocketwatch+requiem even more.
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>>1778793
>Except all the DLC does is making you abuse pocketwatch+requiem even more.
I literally never abused watches at all during the DLC.
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>>1778779
i think angels are dumb
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>>1778793
Filthy watchfags. Never talk to me again.
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>>1778793
I used requiem way less because it feels like every boss just dispels it so I actually have to rely on guard/dodge/mitigation
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>>1778788
>Debatable, the game definitely went too far in terms of how many items are free actions though.
eh, it's either free damage, free buffs or debuffs or free full recoveries. Like maybe only buffs or debuffs would be fine but shit like having 99 estus flasks is ehhhhh
>Would have been much more balanced at least, though I'd argue it'd still be too strong considering how many extra turns you can get.
True, multiple turns kinda trivialize a lot of stuff too
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>>1778809
>multiple turns kinda trivialize a lot of stuff too
They do, but they're easier to balance shit around than pocketwatch spamming.
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>>1778606
when you meet Red with high sen at the start of the game, she's already missing an arm.

There's also the dialogue of Cheshire saying that if when you wake up from a dream and are still in a dream it mean that you never woke up.
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>>1778818
I'm aware of 100 SEN Red, that's one of the main indicators of a previous G cycle having taken place before you control Grimm. The way Mabel phrases shit in >>1778606
>>1778611 makes me believe that you DID in fact wake up, just that time got turned back because of GG. Also I think Cheshire's dialogue is phrased more as a question than a statement though I don't have a screencap of it on hand at the moment to verify.
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What's the cosmic powerlevel chart
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>>1778828
Azathoth > Mabel > the rest
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Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme~
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>>1778828
Sleepy moon idiot
Mabel
TCO/Node/
Baphomet
Prickett
The rest except most bs 2 covenents
All the bs2 covenents that are Grimm's children
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>>1778830
My dick > monster girls > lolis > rape victims.
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>>1778777
Owl IS a pocketwatchfag though.
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>>1778837
we know Grimm
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>>1778835
But what about l*af
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>>1778844
She can't do much besides psychologically torment Grimm anymore.
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>>1778844
She's the biggest monster of them all
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>>1778833
YAMERO

I didn't know of the song before. It's been stuck in my head since I finished DLC3 last night.
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>>1778838
I love how his fighting style is almost the same as Grimm's
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>>1778844
Without GG's power it's hard to say, she can still assume her true form so I want to say she fits in "the rest" tier, I think she's stronger than the other covenant true forms in the g ending right? Other than G ending Jabber.

Before BS2 it's still a bit different, if you're in Leaf's garden she makes the rules, so Baphomet, while stronger can't do shit. But TCO is above her in power enough to ignore that

In general Leaf is different from most of her Kin. She goes against the narrative of Outer Ones not comprehending human emotion when clearly she does after diving into human literature. Maybe Outer Ones just need to start young or they develop into autists.
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>>1778863
he is an author after all
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>>1778863
Can he fucking stop?
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>>1778873
Can Grimm?
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>>1778873
Can't stop won't stop.
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>>1778873
Too bad
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>>1778882
I am gonna beat his ass i have 19k in attack and have 5 fucking turns i will melt this man
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>>1778888
Is that so?
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>guardian angel armour
>just watch as I die, revive and take damage again over and over until i die for real
Any tips for Lingereina?Dunno how her instakill or phase 2
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>>1778913
Phase 2 is just a 1T burst check I believe.
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>>1778913
Have you tried hitting her really really hard?
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>>1778923
How about I hit you really really hard?
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Best sex scene?
For me its Miranda’s love making scene and the tea party orgy
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>>1778928
Mabel no contest for me
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>>1778927
Good luck, im behind 999 walls of flesh
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>>1778951
Your motherfucking life ends in 20 turns.
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>>1778951
ANGEL SWORD IS READY
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>>1778823
It's an affirmation.
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Any other 0SEN stuff to note in DLC3?
Only other thing I discovered was Invincible Penguins in Mountain of Madness caves becoming hostile and slapping you back to 100SEN.
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>>1778888
>19k in attack
>he believe he will have a chance to attack
Kek, you don't know what's coming to you anon
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Heinrich is the key to all of this...
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>>1778968
Just that and the penguins as well.
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>>1778921
Does she suddenly get physical attack evasion during it too?
>>1778923
Right, I forgot unga was the true way to play
>>1778928
Jubjub rape.
Mabel's a close second or just as good
Lorina's card one's also good
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>>1778972
Who the fuck his he by the way? I though he was Hein at the start but it don't seem do.
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>>1778968
I'm pretty sure there was at least one corpse at the hospital that only appeared at 0 sen
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>>1778978
Heinrich is Grimm's first fairy tale and appears in RHW and BS1.
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>>1778978
He's been here since RRW
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>>1778968
the corridor after the Wet Nurse bossroom fills up with floating babies
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>>1778993
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>>1778968
>>1778993
Take your meds, schizos.
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>>1779010
No, I'm going to watch pictures of Alice instead.
I wonder if the meds seller is GG too, there's even a "liddell's doll" that appears everytime GG does.
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Dude what the fuck is wrong with this retarded Owl???
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>>1779018
Isn't there a Liddell's doll in the sheep shop in Carroll River? I don't recall seeing the Alice doll there.
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>>1779018
It has the same sprite as the other two as well.
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>>1779020
Yeah.
The doll on the crusher room has the same message.
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>>1779024
Yeah, I remembered that. Can't recall the Alice doll being anywhere in the vicinity of the shop but I guess you could handwave it as the Liddell doll being a part of GG or something.
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>>1778746
It would be kino if he ONLY kept those for important bosses in BS3, I dont want to deal with them for every single one
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>>1779029
What about all the mannequins. They same some stuff that is inline with GG's dialogue.
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>>1779035
The mannequins honestly make me think of the other patients you see at the start of DLC 3, trapped in the dream like you. I'll give them another look to see if there's anything I'm missing though.
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>>1779038
Alright, reread them. Some definitely read like GG but the one about the stars feels weird and was what first came to mind.
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>>1778968
Bros she didnt deserve this hell
Florence…
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I want to draw some stuff for Mabel, Lorde and Lorina so bad but I have finals next week. EMMM's character designs are so fucking cool, I wish he gave my bro Carnacki original sprites as well
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>meeting Jabber on a new cycle is supposed to be a hint at the whole Alice actor shit
A bit hamfisted but I guess I get it.
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Tekeli-li
Tekeli-li
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>>1779057
Sister Alice also kinda acts similar to Jubjub, although it's a bit of a stretch.
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>>1779062
>the actual madman fucks this
>repeatedly at that
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>>1779057
The only one thats a stretch to me is Bandersnatch, she doesnt resemble or hint at Daughter Alice one bit. I hope we get a clarification on this in BS3 or less likely in an interview
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>>1779062
I want her to Teke my li-li.
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>>1779071
I assume it's supposed to be the "innocence" she has.
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>>1779057
That whole thing really felt unnecessary.
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>>1779079
I think it's just handled poorly, also sorta explains the pause that Node gives when she lists the nightmares, since older sister Alice is AWOL so she replaces the last one with Lorina.
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How do I beat Lindamea's balls? Also, why dont I get the extra dialogue with Miranda's axe equiped?
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>>1779094
Ignore them and hit him with it. Or maybe you need to end the turn with it equipped, I am not sure.
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>>1779094
You don't, focus on Lindamea.
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>>1779094
Grab them and fondle them anon
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>>1779094
Have you tried working the shaft?
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So i started a new save for the dlc and the scene with Dorothy didnt appeared in Mental Ward.
Why?
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>>1779133
Are you at 0 SEN or something?
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>>1779133
it's dependent on SEN, forgot if you need it at 100 or 0
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Node cutting her hair
Why do the Japanese do this. Why do they have this endless crusade against long hair in every single piece of Japanese media? I HATE IT
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>>1779150
I LOVE IT! Girls with short hair are the best!
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>>1779137
I was probably at 90 SEN.
Also i hate i need to avoid all those black-bars, i want to have fun too.
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>>1779133
You need to be at 100 Sen or higher.
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>>1779150
it's just an anime cliché that represents character growth, i'm pretty sure japanese men prefer long-haired women
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Okay, I got endings A-E now.
What do I need to do to get the juicy stuff? Get all flames and look for Red at bonfires? What about fairy tales? Do you need them too?
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>>1779198
Get all flames and look for Red at bonfires?
Yes
What about fairy tales? Do you need them too?
No, you get a decent ring or a sex scene for completing it.
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>>1779198
Fairy tales aren't required for anything, you'll need the flames, Red's mark and pressing x/escape at the start of a new cycle when you pick your Alice.
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>>1779201
>>1779202
Got it, thank you.
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>>1779198
You also need Leaf's ring.
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>attacking Jekyll on the first visit plays the non-sped up Nightmare Spirit theme
Been a while since I heard that.
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>>1779101
>>1779119
>>1779124
They ejaculate 3 turns in for 750k damage and I can barely get a dent on Lindamea in that time.
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>>1779220
Unga harder. What's your statline? I was able to 1T phase 2 with ~15k base Attack.
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I'm revisiting areas in DLC3 trying to do a clean up before I do what I presume is the ending

Is there actually a chest here somewhere, or is it a clever dark souls reference about people saying chest = boobs? I did the not unicorn path and am going through unicorn path, so maybe there was a story thing here?
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>>1779225
WTF? I'm sacrificing my stats down to 15k for 736k hp. What weapon did you unga his P2 with?
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>>1779239
I couldn't find a chest in the area, I assume it's the clever reference.
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>>1779242
Machine gun.
>lowering your stats for more HP
Not sure that's the smartest idea.
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>>1779242
Not that anon, but I used Kishingatana with Winter Warrior's armor, and I forget which rings and shield, probably a lot of White Rabbit rings. Took me a while, but I did it with 12k base stats
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>>1779252
>>1779258
Ughhh, I went to 30k attack and it took me 10 turns for P2. Also it just turned out you just had to not damage the balls at all. Kino phase 3.
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Did anyone else find the 10 free Souls of the Outer One in the Nurse Call boss room?
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>>1779324
wasn't that in a sink or something?
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guys...
where the fuck are all the memories?
I only found two (2)
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>>1779350
Yeah, next to the mead I believe.
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Bros how do we stop the Leafchads they are too strong
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>>1779364
cast fist
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>>1779359
Crocket zone at Frissel
Beach, near the bonfire
Secret room at Ox Ward
River, just below the bonfire
Tea party, on one seat
A tent inside Queensland's castle
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>>1779359
Queensland, Castle of Hearts, Beach of Grief, Neverending Tea Party, Caroll River,
and Oxward.
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Birds!
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>>1779426
My wife
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>>1779426
>Murders your children
>Gets away scot-free
What the fuck is this birds problem?
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>>1779441
>gives your egg daughter candy post birdening
eh, she's alright
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>>1779359
Oxward University, Endless Tea Party, Red Castle Frissel, Carrol River, Beach of Grief and Queensland.
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>>1779449
>Jubjub laid Humpty-Dumpty
>Bird daughter is actually her daughter
>Goes to see her kid after her job is done for the cycle
Deepest Lore
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Where the hell does Carnacki go after defeating the Wind?
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What the fuck is the sheep god milton?
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>>1779505
Jekyll talks about him briefly I think.
>>1779489
Hidden room in Winterbell on the way to Lindamea.
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>>1779441
>helps you when it matters the most
She's the best
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So I just finished DLC3 and got the Hell and Heartbreak ending

Are there more? Is there any way to do the final fight faster?
I assume there are a total of 3 helpers? I got Carnacki and the wolf girl, but not whoever is the 3rd. Who is the third? And am I stuck on pic related forever?

Is there a 100% walkthrough of dlc3 yet?
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>can't fug the angel without getting killed by her sis
>torn between dick or vengance
Damn
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>>1779426
yubyub
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>>1779529
You get dumped back to the title screen when the song ends. You missed Gerda for the last summon. No other endings for BS2.
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>>1779539
>You missed Gerda for the last summon
Fug, she shot her brother. How do I get that to not happen?

And what do I do with the Fairy Tale things in the DLC? Is there some bookshelf somewhere or are they useless?
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