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Which deity did you choose?
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Also polls

Romance poll fixed, added no romance option and Socoth
https://www.strawpoll.me/45379655
New mythic choice poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/45332086
New alignment poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/45371145
New race poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/45371157
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>>1773286
It was kind of a happy accident, but I'm really liking the similarities between Nethys and the Aeon, considering that they used the Pleroma as the basis for the Aeon's art and both of them are about destruction and creation.
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>>1773286
>Deity
A proud Atheist, ex-Arodenite.

>>1773422
Aeon is actually TN by the penultimate sense of whole cosmic balance things. But in 2E, Pozzo has some brain aneurysm making Aeon LN. Actually makes sense if considering themselves as "cosmic watchers/sentries" as lawful duty. Aeon's Lawfulness isn't actually based on "Muh Law and Order" by common definition of Law vs. Chaos, but more of "Arresting the cosmic breaker"
The actual, penultimate LN Outsider, which is the anti-thesis of CN Proteans are The Inevitables (those cyborg outsiders).
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>>1773444
True, though I was referring more to Pleroma's ability to destroy and create at will, while Nethys bounces back and forth between destroying and healing.
Unrelated but I'm wondering if there's any more reactivity for Nethys. I asked Nenio a question about Nethys back in Act 1, and there was this when I met Areelu.
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>>1773286
Im honestly torn between Desna and/or Sarenrae, but i also want to go for Angel of Vengeance and that probably wouldnt fly with them
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>>1773452
>Pleroma's ability to destroy and create at will
That's literally part of Nethys' domain overlapping with Aeon's domain. But, Despite the unfathomable similarties, Aeons don't actually associated with Nethys. It is purely coincidental and merely has some little overlapping similarties between them.
In other case, another TN outsiders called Psychopoms however, are Pharasma's exclusive servants (or minions).
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is the army/general part of this game any better than kingmakers kingdom system?
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>>1773523
No lol it sucks ass. And it will still suck on release, the system is like a game within a game of homm3 but half done and tedious.
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>>1773286
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>>1773678
How many kids are you headcanoning having with your LI, anon?
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Where does the current beta build end at?
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>Brown-Scale Dragonmuter
>Targets keep their feats and abilities
>Pouncing dragons
>Tripping bite dragons
>Undead dragons
>Divine buffing dragons
>Singing dragons
>Full BAB dragons
>Spellstriking dragons
>Raging dragons
>Sneaky dragons
>Tower shield wielding dragons
Call the cops, I'm having fun
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>why yes I am making an Lich Sorcerer/Angel Oracle
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>>1773735
>Sorcerer
>Oracle
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>>1773295
>human 16
>lich 16
Pure cringe
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>>1773286
slightly chubby but cute one
I made Trevor Shelyn's paladin as mc and will romance my cute brother Sosiel.
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>>1773286
how long is wrath demo?
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>>1773295
> 4chan likes to pretend they're edgy, yet picks all the normie choices.
kek
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>>1773774
40 hours at least, from most accounts (it took me over 50 both times, the second over 60 but it was TB mostly)
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>>1773444
I still think that Axiomite would make a far better LN mythic. Wouldn't you want to digitize and solve the Worldwound like an equation, while also helping Reggil to find the statistically perfect way to smite chaosfags, calculating the caloric value of an ideal moss rock for Lann and visualizing the chart of the fastest ascension route for Arue?
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>>1773790
nice
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>>1773774
Took me on hard
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>>1773795
>Cucklord
Lich run?
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>>1773795
7 hours?
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>>1773791
Aeon is not about worldwound.
He is triggered because Deskari is cheating the rules of the universe and moving between dimensions like that. Outsiders must fuck off to their planes e.t.c.
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>>1773799
5 days and 7 hours
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>>1773295
Who's Socothbenoth and Nocticula? First time hearing about them.
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>>1773816
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Nocticula
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What is the best class with access to lead blades to get dip into as a melee.
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>>1773819
Are they a romance? I've never heard mention of them, though it's mainly the succ and psycho half elf I hear about.
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>>1773800
>aeon is the border patrol path
based
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I wish i could pick both Rovagug and Lamashtu for my Demon > Swarm run.
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>>1773852
That is too greedy, anon.
Go for Rovagug
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>>1773845
Noct for simp demon, Socoth for semendemon trickster.
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>baldurs gate thread mentioning about Gith cucking
>2nd response is some angry faggot bringing up Pathfinder out of nowhere when it was never mentioned
>Continues to do so the whole thread
Are Larianfags always like this or is this just one autist in particular?
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>>1773845
Nocticula lets you teleport to her chambers, best girl
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>>1773857
don't mind them. what class are you running, senpai?
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>>1773845
Only speculations. In the pen and paper version Nocticula gets redeemed and starts to be a "good" girl, while the were rumors that each mythic path will have an unique romance option.
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>>1773855
Oh, so they're exclusive to two mythic paths then.
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>>1773864
Well, she offers you her 'profane gift' no matter what.
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>>1773861
I'm running a train on your waifu regardless lmao
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>>1773870
Wut?
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>>1773861
Not sure yet, I'll likely go Aeon so a magic user of some kind feels fitting to me.
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>>1773869
>I could fuck with your mind if I want to but don't worry goyim, I certainly won't do that!
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>>1773848
>>1773800

The wall just got 10 feet higher, and the Abyss will pay for it!
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>>1773877
The safe bet for æon is either inquisitor (for banes) or a class with CHA as a main stat (for gaze).
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>>1773869
>>1773884
They really missed an opportunity to have Arue tell you not to trust Nocticula's offer and to offer her own gift instead and then you could refuse and make her watch as you take Nocticula's profane gift. But I guess the timing to do so would be complicated, since it would have to happen after her own redemption.
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>>1773901
I'll look into that then, thanks anon.
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>>1773855
>we want the Harley Quinn audience
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Legendbros, only we were supposed to have 20+ levels. Hepza is 31 lvl and she in the 4th chapter. In the 6th chapter, we probably will see 40lvl enemies.
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>>1773908
Those are the game journo difficulty stats IIRC
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>>1773907
>tfw no lantern king x trickster
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>>1773908
>Hepzamirah
"Key": "2a0de76e-e3b8-42a4-a0e8-140561d28ea1", "Value": "[Subjugate Hepzamirah's restless spirit] \"You will serve me, dead demon. Wait for my arrival in Drezen, in my ziggurat.\""
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>>1773286
True chads do not worship others but claim divinity for themselves.
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>>1773903
How many passions did she do after she got redeemed?
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>>1773908
Anon, you were never special in that regard
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>>1773922
>How many passions did she do after she got redeemed?
I guess the answer to this question is "a lot".

"Key": "77a916ab-cdfc-4903-a676-698c4497be74",
"Value": "\"I want... I want everything. Everything I've never known before... Everything I've been waiting to experience for so long.\""
},
{
"Key": "39e987db-226e-4e9b-8ff3-9724153e48be",
"Value": "{n}Arueshalae's whole body shivers with expectation at your touch. You feel the heat of her fingers as she intertwines them with your own.{/n}"
},
{
"Key": "233196d6-1a42-4549-a056-0b890a8be188",
"Value": "{n}As soon as you close the door of the study, the two of you fall into each other's arms — and time ceases to exist. You explore every inch of her skin, and her body, once an instrument of torture and murder, becomes a vessel overflowing with tenderness and joy. When she reaches the peak of pleasure, you smell the fragrant flowers from her dream. As she moans in delight, the room becomes a garden, filled with the wondrous plants of Elysium.{/n}"
},
{
"Key": "06917143-e34d-4ad9-af1e-184492cbf86b",
"Value": "{n}Arueshalae sighs in contentment. She breathes in deeply, inhaling the fragrance of the flowers.{/n} \"As a succubus... Well, I've done plenty of things in my lifetime. But what we just did... was unlike anything I have ever experienced. It was the first time I've ever felt... love and tenderness.\""
},
{
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>>1773922
That's up to Commander.
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>>1773931
>cum in flowers
Arue should've been an azata-exclusive romance.
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>>1773940
Nope, enjoy your pedoreptile.
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>>1773951
I'm not even an azatafag.
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Could any of good anons remind me companions alingments?
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>>1773924
>Chaotic Neutral
>Monk
Motherfucker
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>>1773959
Seelah: LG
Camellia: TN haha...
Lann: LN
Wenduag: NE (I think)
Woljif: CN
Ember: NG
Daeran: NE
Sosiel: NG
Regill: LE
Arue: CN/CG/CE depending on your progression and choices
Greybor: TN (I think)
Nenio: TN (I think)
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>>1773968
TRICKSTER
MONK
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>>1773931
>You feel the heat of her fingers as she intertwines them with your own
>locking fingers
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Spellbook merging is game breakingly OP, I hope they remove it.
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>>1774016
Only if they make that mod that fixes ability scaling core.
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>>1774016
Full spellcasters are game breakingly OP, I hope they remove them.
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>>1774016
t. devil
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>>1774016
Go away , Sawyer. Back to your Deadfire
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MORE SPELLBOOK MERGING
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>>1774041
Based
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>>1774041
This is the correct answer, gimme my Bard and Skald Azata merging, goddammit.
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>>1774016
Every mythic path should be able to merge with every class and use that class's main stat to scale
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>>1773931
>I have explored every sexual fetish under the sun, and now I'm ready to settle down. What? A threesome? Never, it's selfish and disgusting! What... yes, I had them, several thousand in fact, but that's in the past.

Pathetic.
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>>1774050
isn't the whole point of her character is that she wants to be better than her old self
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>>1774050
>now I'm ready to settle down
Never really got those vibee from her desu
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>>1774055
>replying to stale bait
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>>1774056
Apparently, not wanting to be a creature of rape and murder anymore is "being ready to settle down", according to some schizos.
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>>1774048
This, I feel bad for anyone going in to something like Aeon blind
>looks, sounds, and smells like a caster
>mechanics are more suited for tanks, inquisitors and summoners (and even then they're a late bloomer)
>scales with charisma despite inquisitors being wisdom-based
Russians need to lay off the vodka for a bit
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>>1774055
Yes, as I've said, she's ready to settle down, start a family. Her wild days are behind her.

>>1774056
You mean her constantly mentioning how horrific, depraved, and perverted her previous life was?

>>1774057
Enjoy your sloppy 10,000.
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>>1774065
Good for you, Anon, looking past her slutty, naughty past, and the thousands cock she had in her. She deserves a new life, free of such debauchery, one which you will gladly provide. Just don't even look at another woman - that's cheating.
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>please reply to me
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>>1774065
keyed and desna pilled

What weapon/mythic should I go for if I want to be sword saint crit fisher
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>>1774059
I think everyone expected Aeon to be the neutral "ultimate caster", to balance out Angel (good) and Lich (evil).
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>>1774059
>>scales with charisma despite inquisitors being wisdom-based
I'm not really familiar with the Aeon spellbook but do they get enough spells with saves to warrant caring about it, since the mythic spellbook doesn't seem to care about your casting stat when it comes to spells per day/highest level available? I mean, the azata spellbook for example is mostly support spells and buffs, so you can reliably dump CHA without hampering your mythic spellbook.
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>a mix of Judge Dredd with a wizard on a galactic scale
So this was a fucking lie, right?
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>>1774067
>She deserves a new life, free of such debauchery
Correct.
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redeemed arue is a fake
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>>1774076
Yes, even his mythic spellbook goes to Level 7 spells.
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>>1774070
>What weapon/mythic should I go for if I want to be sword saint crit fisher
IIRC you want to be a Trickster for those sweet Improved Improved Critical feats and the mobility abilities for extra attacks of opportunity.
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Daily reminder that anyone who wants redemption, can get redemption. They have to work for it, though. It might not be easy but it IS possible. Nobody is beyond saving and anyone can be found.
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>>1774076
The Judge Dredd part is accurate as far as I know and I guess they were referring to the time travelling shenanigans when they talked about that "galactic scale"
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>>1774095
Name one truly evil character in his mythos that gets redeemed.
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>>1774089
improved improved critical feats?
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>>1774076
More like a janitor on a galatic scale.
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>>1774099
Yeah, some of the trickster abilities unlock new feats, and among them are the meme Improved Improved Critical ones. I don't have the pics right now, maybe some anons could be kind enough to share them?
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>>1774076
Aeon is half caster because Judge Dredd is not a caster.
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>>1774072
Everything about them screams caster. Doesn't really make sense that they can travel through time and dimensions, but 8/9th level spells are beyond them. Their portrait being an entity in robes holding balls of pure energy doesn't help, either.

>>1774073
They've got a lot of support stuff, but the debuffs from their gazes (a rather large part of the class) and all their offensive spells need a save. They get the inquisitor spellbook in addition to their mythic spells.
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>>1774103
Cool thanks for sharing. I was going for azata at first for incredible might.
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>>1774097
No one. It was a shame, too. It was a topic he struggled with for years especially with the Uruk-hai. Tolkien himself said that nobody in his works is beyond redemption, but that it would be supremely difficult for many and the first step would be to accept the full consequences and wrongness of their actions, he was a Christian after all.
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>>1774099
>Improved Improved Critical : Threat range increased by one.
>Improved Improved Improved Critical : Threat range increased by one.
>Improved Improved Improved Critical Improved : Critical multiplier increased by one.
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>>1774106
Azata is also an option, Incredible Might and Marvelous Endurance are incredibly nice to have. And they get very nice support spells (including stuff that refreshes spells and abilities for the entire party once you hit the high mythic levels)
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>>1774112
Blessed be Thainen and his memes
"Key": "1c05c44c-eb00-43c2-a1ca-8f890dc11304",
"Value": "{g|ArcheryRange}[Archery Ranges]{/g} will provide recruit growth of {g|VampireNinjaPirates}[Vampire Ninja Pirates]{/g} — ranged unit whose attacks steal enemy blood and gold."
},
{
"Key": "55ceb4a0-d12a-441e-a5b9-c2a128566a02",
"Value": "{g|Stables}[Stables]{/g} will provide recruit growth of {g|FootHeavyScoutBardruidsDragonriders}[Foot Heavy Scout Bardruids Dragonriders]{/g} — shock... ahem... cavalry capable of empowering themselves and those around them with spells."
},
{
"Key": "eb1860d9-e7aa-4971-b1da-15d0cf7ac732",
"Value": "{g|Barracks}[Barracks]{/g} will provide recruit growth of {g|WarlockWarwarpriests}[Warlock Warwarpriests]{/g} — spellcasters capable of teleporting to enemy wizards and killing them with their huge axes."
},
{


"Key": "7240c323-2534-44fe-b287-8a20f10898c3",
"Value": "Unlocks {g|FoolsOrderRecruitment_mechanical_ScaledEldritchDisciplePaladins}[Initiation into the Fools Order]{/g} decree, allowing recruitment of {g|ScaledEldritchDisciplePaladins}[Scaled Eldritch Disciple Paladins]{/g} — almost invulnerable warriors who have achieved perfection in all areas."
},
{
"Key": "8ca07121-54ce-4a30-bd19-ab0555e681b0",
"Value": "Unlocks {g|FoolsOrderRecruitment_mechanical_ThugPaladins}[Initiation into the Fools Order]{/g} decree, allowing recruitment of {g|ThugPaladins}[Thug Paladins]{/g} — warriors equally skilled at healing allies and treacherously tripping foes."
},
{


"Key": "203981c3-4369-4761-aa83-81109eb49d69",
"Value": "Unlocks {g|FoolsOrderRecruitment_mechanical_FauchardSwordSaints}[Initiation into the Fools Order]{/g} decree, allowing recruitment of {g|FauchardSwordSaints}[Fauchard Sword Saints]{/g} — infantry delivering deadly blows."
},
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>>1774115
>ScaledEldritchDisciplePaladins
this motherfucker
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>>1774115
I kinda want to be fauchard sword saint but not sure greataxes also look fun
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>>1774115
>wrote Arue
>wrote the Trickster path
>wrote the Swarm path
>uses {d|Sosiel TenshiAkuma} as a flag
Literally /ourguy/
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>>1773688
>spoiler
Dozens of half dragon babies
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>>1774110
Right, so someone like Aru, according to Tolkien, would repent and either be publicly executed... or march straight back to the Abyss... wait, that reminds me of a certain Aeon's epilogue.
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>>1774122
Could someone explain this build to me, please?
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>>1774154
Christ, i can't believe you missed the point that hard
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>>1774154
no, anon
>>1774156
scaled fist, dragon disiple and paladin dips are the CHAd build
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>certain Aeon's
There's only one aeon in the game.
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>>1774163
But what's the "main" class of the build.

>>1774164
Well, two, technically.
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Arue built for Lich
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>>1774166
desu the art itself actually looks quite nice but good god the content is terrible
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>>1774166
"Key": "62dae6a7-fd29-4c3b-963a-517ee3663393",
"Value": "{n}Arueshalae shakes her head.{/n} \"I am not going to discuss that. Not with you. The person who was so precious to me is gone. The last thing {mf|he|she} did in {mf|his|her} life was rescuing me... from {mf|himself|herself}. I will honor {mf|his|her} memory by staying with you and helping you finish {mf|his|her} war, but don't even try to make me talk to you about {mf|him|her}\"."
},

OH NO NO NO NO
LICHBROS THAT CAN'T BE HAPPENING
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>>1774165
>two
I know what I said.
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>>1774143
>t. Azata
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>>1774165
sorcerer, usually. or you could take an archeoloist dip for DD.
imagine having an entire army of paladins with rudimentary archeological knowledge
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>>1774176
No. I'm going demon to GD.
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>>1774115
The guy behind these visits this board, doesn't he?
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>>1774191
Honestly wouldn't surprise me
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>>1774191
unironically possible
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>>1774191
Who do you think was behind all the AZATA BLOODRAGER ROMANCING ARUESHALAE posting even before Redeemed Fiend was revealed?
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>>1774196
>Redeemed Fiend
What's the coolest build for this one, by the way?
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>>1774196
What the hell is that "Redeemed Fiend"? An archetype?
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>>1774198
thiefling bloodrager
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>>1774198
Bloodrager archetype who is essentially Tiefling Dante.
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>>1774201
>>1774200
Post it.
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>>1774197
Motherless tiefling and just take a bite at the bastards in between whacking them with a greataxe.
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I have a question about the build.
If I choose Ascendant Element mythic ability, does it mean my AoE spell will deal damage to my ally even if they are protected by spell or undead trait?
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>>1774198
Bloodrager archetype for good-aligned tieflings about using your fiendish blood as a force for good. Restricted for abyssal and infernal bloodlines at character creation, and gains extra attack/damage against evil creatures and DR(/evil) instead of DR(/-)

"Key": "07cff54e-21d5-4cef-998a-86559759a197",
"Value": "The teachings of light gods say that everyone deserves the right to redemption. Everyone – except the demons. Reformed fiends are demons who have entered on the path of good, although they still look like monsters in the eyes of the most living. But no one will dare to doubt that the rage with which they fight the creatures of evil is the force that the world needs most in these difficult times."
},
{
"Key": "3074d8dc-22db-4a95-806d-d9a808c9131f",
"Value": "Reformed Fiend"
},
{
"Key": "7c83b6ee-9996-4b5a-984b-15ae2744eb10",
"Value": "Hatred Against Evil"
},
{
"Key": "6d915ef1-326a-41d4-a30b-65be66f2c6d1",
"Value": "At 5th level reformed fiend gains +1 to {g|Encyclopedia:Attack}attack{/g} and {g|Encyclopedia:Damage}damage rolls{/g} against evil creatures while in bloodrage. This {g|Encyclopedia:Bonus}bonus{/g} increases by +1 for every 5 levels."
},
{
"Key": "c49b859a-fc0c-40b7-af78-831438bc0467",
"Value": "At 7th level reformed fiend's gains {g|Encyclopedia:Damage_Reduction}DR{/g} 3/evil. At 10th level, and every 3 levels thereafter, this {g|Encyclopedia:Damage}damage{/g} reduction increases by 3 point. Damage Reduction can reduce damage to 0, but not below 0."
},
{
"Key": "1891caa5-ade4-4a00-95b0-aa43f409bd79",
"Value": "Damage Reduction (Reformed Fiend)"
},
{
"Key": "919c2d14-4be3-49f9-b1fe-9114fba17822",
"Value": "At 11th level all reformed fiend's {g|Encyclopedia:MeleeAttack}melee attacks{/g} become good aligned."


Also it's Reformed Fiend, not Redeemed Fiend
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>>1774197
you can't go wrong with an intimidation/shatter defenses build, even if you only go for 14 CHA intimidating prowess will make up for it
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>>1774197
Deliverer
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>>1774209
>DR(/evil)
this sounds awful
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>>1774204
>motherless tiefling in a story with Areelu
Interesting setup for the roleplay
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>>1774213
Except apparently Owlcat decided to consider that it can't be automatically pierced by evil-aligned outsiders. Which actually makes it worthwhile even if IMO, named demons and other powerhouses like balors or mariliths should be able to pierce it, but that's anothr debate
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>>1774213
>My speciality is fighting against evil but evil is my weakness
DR is a stupid system.
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>>1773286
theoretically speaking, could a dual kukri wielding sanctified slayer inquisitor work?
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How viable was biting someone in battle IRL?
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>>1774213
it means that the weapon must be "evil aligned"
which means that it never happens lmao
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>>1774218
Yes though feats will be rough.
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>>1774216
>>1774217
i'm going to be honest i think they just added it because it sounded cool but didn't account for the fact that 99% of the fucking enemies in this game are evil.
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>>1774218
Sure, it would just come online rather late to be truly effective
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>>1774218
Totally, you'll be a bit feat starved like another anon said but the mythic bullshit will make up for it
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>>1774218
Mythic feats deal with the most downsides now.
you can take dmg from DEX there and not wasting levels on rogue for example.
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>>1774218
sanctified slayer is such cool class. But I think its best to go for two handed shatter build instead of dual wielding
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>>1774209
So it's a straight upgrade over vanilla bloodrager for this campaign given the fact you can take an abyssal bloodline and then go into arcane?
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>>1773286
Whichever ones i could cum into
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>>1774232
Don't think you can go into arcane.
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is the infernal bloodrager bloodline as shite as the infernal sorcerer bloodline?
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>>1774232
Currently, Second Bloodrager Bloodline seems to be bugged for the Reformed Fiend, as it doesn't recognize that you have a bloodline just one flag to activate on the toybox. It might be intentional, it might be a bug, no way to know since it's a homebrewed archetype.

That said, assuming that it can get Second Bloodrager Bloodline like the other archetypes and thar DR(/evil) isn't automatically pierced by demons because Owlcat is based, in that case, it's a straight upgrade to the Bloodrager class in the context of Wrath. In which case your choice would be between Reformed Fiend, Primalist and (I guess) Steelblood.
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>>1774217
It works when you are the one using it, for example a demon being vulnerable to good weapons but the reverse is also true. Maybe it just shouldn't be accesible in it's alingned version for PCs.
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>>1774236
There is mythic that lets you take second bloodline
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>>1774230
Do you mean the feat Weapon Finesse?

>>1774221
>>1774225
>>1774224
Can you be a bit more specific? Which feats will I be missing?

Thanks for the advice so far btw
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>>1774259
There is mythic feat you that can let you use dex to dmg. Weapon finess lets you use dex to hit. But yeah Dual wielders need tons of feats to the hit chance not ass so that what you be mainly spending your feats on.
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>>1773286
Erastil
Is the only one worth worshipping.
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>>1774261
Oh right, its hit not damage, gotcha
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>>1774259
You need to take at least two of the Two weapon fighting feats, weapon finesse, weapon focus so you can land shit, mythic finesse feat to apply dex to damage. And obviously, shit like outflank.

Sanctified slayer does not get bonus feats, and a few need specific BAB values.

Human will mitigate this a bit
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>>1774238
>level 1: 3/day, swift action to make your weapon "flaming" for 1 round (at level 12, 5/day, and "flaming burst")
>level 4: resistance 5 to fire, +2 to saves against poisons (becomes resistance 10/+4 to saves at level 8)
>level 8: +4 to saving throws against fear/enchantment
>level 12: Wings in bloodrage
>level 16: +1d6 fire damage per 4 levels when you charge
>level 20: immunity to fire and poison, resistance 10 to cold and acid.
Not an expert, but it seems pretty lackluster compared to some other bloodlines (like Arcane, Abyssal, or Fey)
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>>1774209
what does it lose?
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>>1774277
Beoynd weak.
>flame dmg lmao
>resistances are always nice but poison resistance is useless
>nice but +4 fear wont save you. You need greater heroism/immunity to deal with +4 enchantment is nice tho
>Wings are nice I guess
>meh but its adds up
>Nice but too little too late
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>>1774292
It trades its normal DR against DR(/evil), you need to be a good-aligned tiefling (not a problem since Pitborns and Motherless tiefling exist), and your starting bloodline is either infernal or abyssal (supposedly mitigated by Second Bloodline, but you can't choose it now because a variable is missing, no idea if that's a bug or a feature)
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>>1774298
Out of curiosity would you reformed fiends take dr/evil that works against all demons but no second bloodline or second bloodline but higher demons can pierce your damage reduction
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Is there any info about that stretch goal dungeon or questline that was like the riddle of the sphinx but was some Pathfinder original riddle creature that wears a mask or has no face?
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>>1774078
Based and Aeonpilled
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>>1774300
Second one, because I actually like the idea of Baphomet, Deskari, or other very powerful demons in general being able to no-sell your resistance out of sheer power.
It makes sense that extremely potent parangons of evil would be able to go through your resistance, but the current pnp rules about dretches being able to do so are pretty retarded.
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>>1774302
Are you talking about the Faceless Sphinx? It's related to one of your companion's quest.
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>>1773931
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Why does Aeon still get romance but Lich doesn't? You don't really look that human or like you have a dick for fugging?
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>>1773919
Minagho as an undead slave for lich when? filling her smug face with despair would be so cool.
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>>1774449
Oh ononon, aeonbros, we can't laugh at poor licels anymore.
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>>1774450
Seconded. I am curious of her reaction if she would have to fight with her GF
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>>1774460
>she would have to fight with her GF with help of her simp Staunton.
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>>1774471
Any idea how she would react in that case?

Simp...lol
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Why romance must be cut from Wrath:
>Angel too chaste to maintain a romance
>Aeon too lawtistic
>Demon too rapey
>Trickster rapey too but like Chris Avellone rapey
>Azata too anime protagonist
>Lich has no dick lmao
>Gold Dragon obvious pedophilia allegory
>Devil requires consent forms
>Swarm only willing to masturbate forever alone
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>>1774482
>swarm
>forever alone
Anon, I...
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>>1774495
alone together just like we in this thread
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>>1774495
cope comes in many ways. 'there's actually one million of me' is the swarm's cope. still more respectable than most lichcope though.
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>>1774500
consoom ~ rape
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>>1774482
>Trickster rapey too but like Chris Avellone rapey
Last I checked Trickster doesn't send horny letters to his companions while pissed drunk
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Suppose you have a Skald and a Court Poet, and the Skald picks up Lethal Stance Rage power and the Poet has Guarded Stance. Both sing their rage songs - would allies be able to benefit from both stances at the same time? I feel like in TT, no, but I'm curious how it actually works here.
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>>1773855
What's male Trickster?
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>>1774524
We only have the thumbnail if I'm not mistaken
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>>1774449
Don't know about the dick situation but Lich pretty much gives up everything for power, including their soul and ability to love. Aeon just becomes autistic about being a lawfag.
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>>1774482
>Lich has no dick lmao
I thought Aeon didn't either.
>>1774533
Gonna need to get some decent trickster portraits then.
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>>1774533
Eh, that's probably a placeholder.
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>>1774536
Aeon can have a regular romance. There are even unique epilogues for the retcon ending for them.
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>>1774537
I don't know, the last time we had placeholders for mythic paths, they were pics that were already in the game anyway (the white-haired aasimar girl for Azata and evil Arue for demon IIRC)
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>>1774065
enjoy licking demons' semen off her thighs ;)
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>>1774542
If they had a full portrait, it would've been in the files already.
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>>1774541
How does that work when you look like >>1774076 and have no penis
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Wheres Dimalchio's mansion? Looked all over and I cant find it.
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Owlcat should put romance for Lich. Unlike mortal's disgusting lust for flesh, undeads can make spiritual love without animalistic urge to breed. Forget about 'undeads can't love' thing. You already said 'demons can't love' but we saw enough romance between demons in abyss.
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>>1774558
>have no penis
Well his romantic counterpart might have penis.
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>>1774565
Upper city, around the way to the rooftops of the Middle City
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>>1774568
Lich can't feel love.
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>>1774568
spiritual gay love between mc and zaharius. this would be epic
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>>1774558
Why do you think Aeon doesn't have a cock
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>>1774571
Really? The one that has no name when you hover over the entry point? I've been in there with Arue but nothing happens.
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>>1774579
I think it's around there, but it's been a while.
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>>1774572
>Lich can't feel love.
Undeads don't have lust. They don't have urge to fuck. That's true. But it's not they can't feel love. Ghouls love to eat brains. Vampires love to drink blood from beautiful maiden. Why not a lich who loves to chat with his most loyal companion everyday, for eternity?
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>>1774572
>still replying to the lichcel
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>>1774584
No, Anon, undead literally can't feel positive emotions due to being bathed in negative energy.
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>>1774584
Because not every stupid idea your snowflake mill comes up with is a good addition to the setting. Liches are beings of negative energy. They are literally made up of seething. Don't wanna seethe, don't be a Lich. Wanna be Death Incarnate? Be a Lich.
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Wouldn't a Sword Saint Trickster be horribly feat starved (even more so than usual)? Or do we get the improved improved crit feats for free?
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>>1774645
>They are literally made up of seething
Well, that proves at least lichcels are on the right path.
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Just got to the Abyss, kinda stumped on how to progress.
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>>1774651
Look at your journal, talk to the Hand (no, really), ask people around, kill interlopers, try to become famous. The Arena is usually a good place to try and gain some fame.
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>>1774649
You don't get them for free, you must pick them like regular feats. And you also can't pick them with bonus feats from slayer/fighter/etc, though it may be a beta bug.
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>>1774671
Ouch that sounds bad I remember being pretty feat starved as sword saint in kingmaker
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>>1774614
>>1774645
Yeah yeah Liches can't love, demons can't love, succubus can't be redeemed, Nocticula can't become 'Redeemer Queen' because they are made of pure evil energy.
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>>1774482
>Swarm only willing to masturbate forever alone
Swarm is literally the Complementation route
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>>1774681
>"n-no actually liches can love"
>laughingZacharius.mp3

"Key": "1394be68-f5f3-4a8a-9f05-af68c002a7fe",
"Value": "\"I shall do to you what Nocticula did to her enemies. And no, I do not mean that I shall shoot you in the heart with a black bolt of despair... I am speaking figuratively. If we used a bolt like that on you, it would likely kill you. After all, it is a weapon designed to take the lives of demon lords. There is no sense in poking you with it! But I finally have the answer! I shall extinguish the passion within your soul. You will have to give up everything you hold dear, everything you love, and everything that stirs your desires. Love, carnal and romantic, gold, delicious food and tart wines, glory, and the triumph of victory — I shall take it all, and throw it into the sacrificial fire. And when it all burns away into nothingness, you will embark upon a new path of ashes with a dead heart. Then, and only then, will you become a noble undead, an eternal philosopher, a {mf|Lord|Lady} of Death. Yes, this is it. By taking everything from you, I shall give you everything.\""
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>>1774252
A) It doesn't currently work with Reformed Fiend at all, and B) it might only allow you to take a second bloodline that would be a legal first choice for your archetype, in which case the only option for reformed fiend would be Abyssal/Infernal.
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>>1774692
Yeah, I misunderstood.
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>>1774681
Demons can't love. But they can fuck. Liches can't love, fuck, or do anything other than seethe. Stop anon. Just go out, have sex!
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I think I might have fucked up anons. I just did Wendu's quest in chapter 4, and picked the line about her being a leashed beast. I rested and now she disappeared. Does she come back later or did I just permanently drive her off?
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>>1774690
This just means you'll be able to have purer sex and love as a Lich, free from emotional impulses.
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>still no datamined spoilers about the Archmage path
Swen, save us
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>>1774690
The kino route for Lichcels is going for the Lich path, then deciding that their feelings and all that makes them human is too precious to be discarded and that power is nothing if you can't enjoy it, before going Legend and getting more powerful than Lich ever will be.
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>>1774690
Like demons. Demons born from the deepest filth of Abyss with no love, no good heart. And they should stay like that for eternity, because demons can't love. I know your point, Aeonbro. You think undead love is against the law of Universe.
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>>1774712
>Archmage path
anon...
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>>1774712
Yes, the level 12 capped game will save you
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>>1774714
Swarm path should be the only path which sacrifices everything for power. Lich isn't the most powerful path even with such sacrifice.
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>>1774723
It is the unkillable path lorewise, and retarded strong gameplay wise
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>>1774723
>Lich isn't the most powerful path even with such sacrifice.
cus the ascension ending was exclusively for lich path
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>>1774731
No it wasn't.
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>>1774723
>Lich isn't the most powerful path even with such sacrifice.
Why would it be? Lich is just a super necromancer. Aeon is a time warper. Trickster is reality warper. You just can't compete with 'rewrites causality on a whim'.
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>>1774744
>Lich is just a super necromancer.
Lich is an archmage who can warp both time and reality this is why only he was supposed to be a demigod since archmage is near divinity and not bound by rules applied on outsiders. trickster is FEY
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I know Signifer's Catechism is broken, but does anyone know if its intended boost to cleric/oracle/inquisitor's class feature effective level bump will also work for Warpriest stuff?
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>>1774727
Yeah, but lichcels don't care. They want to be the only one to ascend, they want to sacrifice everything for power but still keep their dick and romance options, they want to become an undead abomination powered by negative energy but not be evil. They are the equivalent of your 12 years old cousin making edgy Sonic OCs on deviantart. At least the Demon players complaining about their path being underwhelming is based on something, with both the story and mechanics (from what I've gathered) not being at the same level as the rest of the early game paths. The Lichcels see the Lich path, the most powerful arcane caster in a system where full casters are righfully considered to be heads and shoulders above the rest, and throw a tantrum around because they can't get it without story sacrifices.
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>>1773828
Ranger gets Lead Blades as a spell bb, plus a gnarly animal companion like a triceratops.
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>>1774751
Nah. That's headcanon. Lich's story is being the lord of death. The guy who manipulates time is Aeon. The guy who manipulates reality is Trickster, and the whole point is that they get to do that because they are Fey, who can also manipulate physics and time by the way. Comparing the lord of death to either of them is like saying Wizards have power over time because Haste is a level 3 spell.

Fun fact: Shyka's foundational myth is her destroying a demigod Lich by merely existing.
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>>1774762
>Fun fact: Shyka's foundational myth is her destroying a demigod Lich by merely existing.
Wait what?
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>>1774756
Why do you motherfuckers take a couple spammers so serious?
Are you so eager to start shitflingingg contests with quality posters who post garbage like ' Ohnonono swarm/lich/demon bros, it's not fucking fair/it was our turn' or 'Why won't camellia love me/Lich love others/fuck more demons?'

Like, they are obviously trolls and/or completely retarded, who the fuck cares? Anyway, at least thank you for helping me update filters
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>the main draw of lich is immortality
>every other mythic path can get that now
>the other paths are all stronger
>other than swarm they all keep their dicks too
The absolute state of Lichfags
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>>1774768
>Why do you reply to shitpost
>while replying to shitpost himself
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>>1774769
truly, the lich path should have been replaced by the ArCHADmage path
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>>1774769
Immortality is not that hard, being incapable of death/destruction is the appeal.
Also, skeletons. I love skeletons
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>>1774766
Shyka showed up one day in some village in the countryside of (i think it was Ustalav), found the most stubborn peasant girl in the land and just told her 'by the way you'll save the world one day also here's a scroll about your future'. Decades later the little girl is now an elderly woman who's had multiple grandchildren and a long happy life and never opened the scroll. Lichcel busts into the kingdom, seeking peasant lady who was blessed with Shyka. Lichcel wants mastery over time itself to double dip on immortality, finds old woman and reads her scroll, which describes lady's whole life until it ends with 'hey there incel, here's how to get to my house come by and i'll give you the secret to total mastery over time'. Lichcel stops by, Shyka totally just lets him read her whole library, at which point Lichcel stops one book short, realizes he now knows literally everything there is to know and loses the will to live. As he crumbles to dust the last book Lichcel wouldn't read turns out to be a description of Lichcel's life, all the way to his cucked ending at the hands of Shyka the Motherfucker.
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>>1774769
They killed Archmage path and made the pathetic lich path to angry us, male gamers. Why?
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>>1774775
Archamage path is already covered by mythic abilities/feats. It's that insignificant.
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Should I play wrath beta or solasta?

The way I see it wrath is probably better but playing it now ruins a lot of the enjoyment of playing it at release
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>>1774782
Play the beta, but for a totally different path that the one you planned for release. For example, if you wanted to play an Angel at release, play a Lich, or a Trickster.
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>>1774164
There's tons of aeons in the game, when you make the oath to become an aeon it specifically mentions how you accept an army of aeons descending upon you if you break your oath. It's just that you're the only one with free will and probably the only or nearly the only mythic one.
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>>1774782
Why not both? Solasta is not even that long
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>>1774782
play BG3
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>>1774785
>It's just that you're the only one with free will and probably the only or nearly the only mythic one.
Was the "aeons don't have free will" thing confirmed, or is that just something that varies between editions? I remember seeing a couples of lengthy discussions about it a while ago, so I'm wondering.
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>>1774785
You take an oath way too seriously.
"may the aeons punish me' does not mean tons of aeons hover around you at every moment.
As far as the story is concerned, you are the only one active. But if you break your oath, aeons will come for yous
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>>1774780
It does not take much to stir shitposters like you in the first place, ESL anon.
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I dunno. I could see an 'archmage' path with special abilities based off wizard and magus. Kinda like how Lich has unique 'death knight' and wizard themed abilities. And also how Trickster became something else entirely compared to their tabletop version. The question is what story you could cover with such a character and wether it is more interesting than other proposed alternatives. Imagine something that relates the nethys church, assorted wizards of golarion, proteans, and areelu's experiments.

I really, really wish people would someday ask Owlcats about what Mythic Paths didn't make the cut, as it were.
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So what's even the best class for a trickster? Sword Saint?
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>>1774789
Speaking of memory but I think the aeon ending kind of implies you'll reach such levels of harmony with the Monad that you're an individual, yes, but one that coincidentially thinks like the Monad might. Achieving oneness with the Monad and the other Aeons, not joining a hivemind. Of course, from our mortal perspective the difference might be nill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfrOm3LuHBI Falling into Devil would be 'failing' to achieve said oneness.
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>>1774797
That also any kind of intimidation build works very well thanks to the trickster persuasion abilities that can make enemies kill themselves and paralyzed.
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>>1774769
The main draw of the lich is being an skeleton archmage with an undead army. The rest is secondary.
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>>1774797
Any proper martial will love critical feats. Clerics will like another sorurce for extra domain.

And of course, any build that has more than 1-2 sneak dice will like adding 5 more.
Builds that cover the skills whose ranks matter for the trickster's skill can get some extra synergy.

Also, any support spellcaster could utilize unlimited wands. Imagine your bard having unlimited haste and no party member ever having to slot it in again, ever. Pretty convenient/
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>>1774797
Probably. We don't know a lot still about Trickster, like the whole list of their secret feats or some of the rank 3 Mythic Tricks. But right now I'd say anyone with martial attacks can make use of the most obvious Trickster path to power, ie critting, always hitting via Trick Fate, and casting Ray of Halberds/Rain of Halberds. There's also ways to get free attacks of opportunity so melee martials are even better. But overall Trickster seems design as a bag of nifty utilities so the full spectrum of Trickster's abilities can also require experimentation. I heard of a guy who managed to turn their Wizard into an unkillable tank just by casting Vampiric Shield and being flanked by enemies, who'd constantly heal him for his Sneak Dice via Sneaky Quack. There's also a Master of All Athletics, Knowledge World, Mobility build for using skill checks instead of AC and Saving Throws.
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>>1774812
>Also, any support spellcaster could utilize unlimited wands
Speaking about wands, do gishes get the wand combat?
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>>1774810
>Azata is better archmage than lich
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>>1774795
>he question is what story you could cover with such a character and wether it is more interesting than other proposed alternatives. Imagine something that relates the nethys church, assorted wizards of golarion, proteans, and areelu's experiments.
I remember seeing a post or two about the Storyteller mentoring you and teaching you how to read items like he does, with your mythic power actually allowing you to gain the knowledge and abilities of the previous owners. Would have been neat, even if a bit specific.
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>>1774837
Demon path?
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>Ray of Halberds/Rain of Halberds
Oh boy
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>>1774827
Sounds cool! Story moments could have you bringing those characters and histories back to life, even if for a brief moment. Conjuring the images of the defenders of Drezen for a stalwart restoration of their city would be bittersweet and kino.
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>>1774842
Actually no I was angel who demanded she free all the people transformed to furnitures beat her in the fight and spared her. I think it might bugged I also have noticed other dialogue for things that I haven't done.
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>>1774844
Considering that Thainen is a fucking weeb, I wouldn't be surprised. And yes, it works exactly the same way.
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>>1774690
Literally what's the point then? Sounds like absolutely shitty existence.
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(you) get the ability to choose one new mythic path added in as DLC. What will you task owlcat to make?

>>1774856
power and immortality, its shitty but if you had nothing else before or were extremely bitter well....
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>(you) get the ability to choose one new mythic path added in as DLC. What will you task owlcat to make?
I actually like the arguments that the genie posters have put forward in several threads now, so I'm going to vote for their stuff.
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>*hits pipe*
>I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than corrupting Arueshalae. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are helping, leveling, listening to and fighting side by side with a romance option for at least 18 levels and 5 mythic levels solely so she can go and get ravaged by demonic cultists if you pick the [Evil] option in that one dream quest. All the hard work you put into your cute succubus companion - listening to her story about Desna, helping her kill that hag, making sure she learns about the dreams of other mortals, helping her with her nightmares and Dimalchio. All of it has one simple result if you make her a demon again: her body is more enjoyable for the CE men that will eventually fuck her in every hole. Gave her a perfect build and equipement? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random Deskari or Baphomet follower who had nothing to do with the way she leveled up, who decided to join her crew. He gets to have both his balls and soul drained every night. He gets the benefits of her one-dimensional personality that came from the way you told her to burn her dreams down. As a man who corrupts Arueshalae, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least several hours of your playthrough simply to raise a companion for other men to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
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>>1774869
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>>1774868
Seems fair. Not my cup of tea but I always respect effort put in post.
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>>1774866
Some kind of nature/druid path, since that seems to be missing from the array.
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Is Demon path really so underwhelming? I see
>[Demon] specific option in almost all interactions with other demons. Surely seems more than with Lich at least.
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>>1774854
What's Ea then?
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>>1774879
I could see it work but seems pretty specific also as an azata you go around literally reinvigorating the land and turning maps green.
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>>1774866
Entirely my personal taste but I'd like something related to Genies:

> Story would be related to crusader volunteers from Kelesh.
> Angels have Iomedae, Azata have Desna, Tricksters have Cayden. So Genies have ties to Sarenrae.
> Mechanically it would deal in elemental powers, perhaps with Kineticist overtones and a spell list based around keleshite wishcrafting and the druid spellbook.
> Offering a path to elementalhood would give Druids something to relate to more strongly than Azata.
> Internal story could either have you become a geniekind of multiple elements, an abnormally powerful janni or someone who has to choose which element they identify with.
> Mentors would be characters from Osirion, Kelesh and the elemental planes. Perhaps tie into the upcoming elemental lords civil war in Golarion.
> Aesthetically it would harken back to HoMM5's Academy faction. Magic Carpet Wizards, enslaved Efreeti, and Zealot Paladins of the Dawnflower fighting the Demons of the Worldwound.
> Having Genies in the game would mean Owlcat might finally implement the Wish spells.
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>>1774885
>> Mentors would be characters from Osirion, Kelesh and the elemental planes. Perhaps tie into the upcoming elemental lords civil war in Golarion.
Interesting idea, I was picturing the Genie path unlocking as, quite literally
>rub a lamp you find in your travels, genie gets out, pledges his eternal service to you for some reason also bonus points if the genie is called Solmyr
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>>1774789
Aeons were always individuals. Think blood cells within a body - part of a larger organism, but still individuals in their own right. You can only communicate with the body, to a limited extent (The Monad), not every cell. So no hivemind.
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>>1774866
Of all the mythic paths we are lacking two main gimmicks. An arcane path not related to the Lich and a nature path that is a natural progression for druids, hunters, rangers and shamans. So a Genie, Elemental or Nature path.
Outside of that I think we lack early LE, NG and N paths. Specially if you are LE it feels bad that you need to be an Aeon or an Azata before the choice so an early LE path that can also go devil would work. While I don't support them I understand the people that play Legend and want to have a more Neutral choice for the early path.
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>>1774482
>Angel too chaste to maintain a romance

>implying
>Solars who spend a long time in the Material Plane, especially those in the guise of mortals, are sometimes the source of half-celestial or aasimar bloodlines in mortal families, due either to romantic dalliances or simply the mortals’ proximity to celestial energy. Actual offspring are rare, and when they occur, it is always a mortal mother that bears the child—while solars can appear as either sex, the gods have not granted them the capacity for pregnancy or motherhood. Indeed, this fundamental truth is often what drives a solar to seek out a mortal lover.

You just know my boy neutron is gonna lay down that sword of heaven if you know what i mean
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>>1774897
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if a DLC/Extended Edition made Devil into a full path.
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>>1774899
>chad angel commander making women of drezen pregnant by just walking around
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>>1774912
By the end of the game, you're at the very least an Empyreal Lord tier. The entire city is going to give birth to aasimar kids just because you flexed around a few times.
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>>1774892
>Solmyr
WELCOME TO BRACADA MOTHERFUCKERS
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So whats the Angel justice league like? ive seen a few screenshots were Lariel even talks to you but wasnt she dead tho
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Bros help my indecisive ass. What two-handed weapon for sword saint crit fisher. I am torn between greataxe and fauchard.

>>1774931
Bland but set moments are pretty good. Only one I like is the old doomslayer.
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>>1774892
I can picture a story where you do the Jaffar gambit but actually succeed and legally become the genie without being bound to anyone's service. Power with little consequence, another of those moments that make Devils shiver. Except Ember, whose wish just makes the world a better place and cures the worldwound.
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>>1774936
Fauchard has some very nice stuff across chapters 2/3/4, and Finn can actually carry you for the first chapter.
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>>1774946
I almost used finn as fauchard the entire game when I did my battle oracle run. Thanks, anon for solving my indecisiveness.
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>>1774951
IIRC, for the three others
>Woljif (I think) sells one in chapter 2, if you ask him for his thieflings connection
>Mighty Blow of Good in Chapter 3 (sold by a merchant in Drezen) is EXTREMELY nice if you have a good alignment (and gets Evil Outsider Bane, so even without the alignment bonus, it's still a +4 weapon with 2d6 extra damage against demons)
>Bearer of Sorrows in Chapter 4 (on the body of the Gibrileth merchant in the Fleshmarkets) is very interesting too, especially if you have some kind of way to ignore the vicious damage.
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>>1774825
>pic
It's just elf
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>>1774962
Thank you, my man, will save this for all my fauchard runs.
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>>1774966
not just elf but gay elf blowing
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Are any of the kingdom management items good?
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>>1774972
There is padded armor that gives +2 dex. The stauntons glaives are pretty good for cleric especially the gay boy.
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>>1774967
Here, have a pic for the MIGHTY BLOW OF GOOD

>>1774972
The padded armor made from the Dark Retriever's Altar is pretty good, as is the acid greataxe of Rovagug it already exists in the game even if the event to get it is bugged, so I just ToyBox'd it in
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>>1774987
Now the axe of Rovagug (the handaxe-sized version also exists)
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>>1774897
Expanding on this I came up with some other mythic paths that vould work
Runelord: For the ones that want archmage while making it original and less restricted to mages
Aberrant/Aboleth: as an early LE path that could go Devil but is diferent enough from the others
Titan: a more neutral path for those that don't want to be tied to outsaider alingment. It could go Legend or keep growing till you can turn Gargantuan at will.
I haven't found any interesting NG creature to use that's much different from Angels. Cuoatls is the best I found.
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>>1774972
Also, last but not least, the padded armor. Notice that it's a morale bonus to DEX, something that seems pretty rare (the only other source of morale bonus to a stat I've seen are the Rage and Believe in Yourself spells)
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>>1774995
>Runelord: For the ones that want archmage while making it original and less restricted to mages.
I don't think that's the way because the last remaining mythic runelord is a Trickster. A 'pure magic' flavored path would be related to Proteans, in my opinion.
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>>1775013
Thanks, these seem pretty useful for some characters.
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Does Wrath have any bullshit weapons like Devourer of Metal?
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Which demon type should I prioritize for this nerfed ranger shit?
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There's no real advantage to wielding Crushing Burden over Honorable Judgement, is there? The Fort save effect will never work on enemies against whom it is needed, and Holy>Vicious for 99% of the enemies remaining in the game at that point. All you save is a single Greater Magic Weapon spell slot, vs all the healing you'll need to shower on Regill.
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>>1775146
finnean is pretty busted but nothing on level of devourer of metal from what I seen.
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>>1775201
can he turn into 2 weapons? for example a pair of sai?
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>>1775146
the aoe scythe (wide sweep or something) is stupidly strong, especially with cleave
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>>1775226
No
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>>1775146
Don't know if that's the level of bullshit you're thinking about, but I really like Mighty Blow of Good (>>1774987)
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what's the biggest single damage number someone has done?
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>>1775246
There have been instances of over a thousand at maximized dice criticals (be it a spell or sword saints ability).

I have done like 400 dmg crits a couple time.
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>>1775233
sad!
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I'm kinda stumped on where to go next. I've done every companion quest aside from Arue's (because I can't find the mansion), and I've done both Shamira and Vex's quests all the way through. Talking to the Hand has him say that Nocticula is aware of us, but the Balors out front still won't let me in. I've already killed them and gone in once, but the throne was empty, so I assume it will be until my fame gets to a point that they let me in.
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>>1775276
finding one good dual weapon is lot easier than two
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>>1775283
Have you done battlebliss arena questline?
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>>1775288
falchion it is then
like every time
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>>1775309
that's me with fauchard so I totally get you.
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>>1775321
For me its Falcata. I gained alot of respect for it after my Azata run with the Ceremonial Falcata and just deleting people with it.
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>>1774994
Question, do burst weapons also hurt your party members when they explode?
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>>1775334
I always wanted to do dual wield falcata build but I got clue how.
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>>1775337
Nah, elemental burst weapons are just like normal elemental weapons, but they deal extra damage (1d10/2d10/3d10 depending on the critical modifier) on a critical hit.
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>>1775334
>>1775341
Also, when it comes to dual-wielding falcatas, isn't there a falcata in the midnight fane that deals extra damage and prones targets that are shaken/frightened?
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>>1775334
>Dazzling Display damage
What the fuck, that's broken as all fuck.
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>>1775341
You could go Fighter 5 and grab the Adv Weapon Training feat and grab Effortless Duel Wielding to treat Falcatas as light weapons
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>>1775347
>>1775334
Found it in the files
"Key": "063fec01-4143-4f4d-b2dc-72042365ba8f",
"Value": "This +3 unholy falcata was corrupted by demons. It feeds on fear. Whenever it lands a hit on a shaken or frightened enemy, the target must pass a {g|Encyclopedia:Saving_Throw}Fortitude saving throw{/g} ({g|Encyclopedia:DC}DC{/g} 22) or become prone for 1 {g|Encyclopedia:Combat_Round}round{/g} and suffer {g|Encyclopedia:Dice}1d12{/g} negative {g|Encyclopedia:Energy_Damage}energy damage{/g}."
},
{
"Key": "bd819b05-faa5-43f9-8ac2-57d054de4061",
"Value": "Nightmare"
},
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What do I need for my party to not get fucked by subsonic hum?
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>>1775355
Protection from Energy
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>>1775355
holy aura makes you immune to it
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>>1775355
Holy Aura
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>>1775351
Sounds good and then probably slayer after?
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>>1774987
The heckle does 'becomes good aligned' mean in this context?
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>>1775350
The way its supposed to work its only 1d8 sonic. However you could kill someone with the 1d8 sonic and get it to trigger again. In the previous beta the 1d8 sonic seemed to trigger multiple times randomly so it was dealing way more than it should. It also caused the game to crash if you killed an enemy with Regeneration as the game would loop the sonic damage into DD. Idk if thats still around in the current beta.
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>>1775369
It pierces damage resistance (x/good), the one that most demons have
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>>1775369
Lot of demons have dr/good meaning you need good aligned wp to do full dmg.
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>>1775246
Probably some Sword Saint meme build with Mythic Vital Strike+Mythic Power attack
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>>1775246
>>1775382
there was 1300 in kingmaker with great axe
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>>1775365
Actually you could probably just go full Fighter and grab the adv weapon training that lets you finesse with your weapon group, then grab either Mythic Finesse or Slashing Grace and just go full Dex with a fighter and grab both Nightmare and Ceremonial Falcata and blend people.
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>>1775408
I dont know if I can tolerate playing with low str that long, but it that seems like good idea.
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>>1773908
>15 outsider levels
>31 class levels
>6 mythic ranks

whats her CR at that point? holy fuck i wouldnt be surprised if she could go mano a mano with Cthulhu if you dropped her in the tabletop
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>>1775421
It would be till 5th level if you want damage early ish, then at 7th you'd start grabbing your TWF feats.
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Is Trickster based?
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>>1775438
based on what
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>>1775435
Her stats are worse than PnP Deskari, and I bet you videogame one will be stronger
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>>1775441
Based as in redpilled if you know what I mean.
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>>1775351
Doesn't advanced weapon training and Effortless Dual-Wielding require lvl 9?
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>>1775445
>and I bet you videogame one will be stronger
on a logical level, i know this is for the sake of balance.

But the autist in me likes to think in this timeline of Golarion everyone had their power cranked up to 11 because the Aeons fucked up somewhere lmao
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>>1775451
There's a feat that you can take to grab them early. That's how Regil is able to finesse his hammers that early.
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>>1775448
Kill yourself
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real question is do I have enough feats as a fighter to cook up falcata dual-wielding intimidation build? I might try just for fun. The stat line is gonna be weird af.
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>>1775519
>not going balls deep into mythic vital strike
>ngmi
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Just finished the beta
>Didn't get the Asmodeus interaction with Baphomet
>Never got the Sosiel Alushinyrra quest, nor did Ember get kidnapped at the Fleshmarkets
Did I do something wrong?
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is there a map of the upper city in the abyss? its glitched the hell out and i cant find anything here. the moving islands is annoying
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>>1775548
>>Never got the Sosiel Alushinyrra quest
This one is pretty much bugged IIRC I had it pop right after I killed the black mask guy in the abyss and came back to the Nexus to rest, with the quest telling me to find him

>>nor did Ember get kidnapped at the Fleshmarkets
It's not Ember, it's Aivu
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I still cant find the mansion for Arue's quest. I've been told it's the one on the left of the upper city entrance, by the way into the middle city, but nothing happens when I go in there.
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>>1775563
Once I get home, I'll try to load a save around that part and see if I can pinpoint you
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Are there any hidden dialogues between companions and Swarm, in the files? Could someone post, if there is.
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>>1775545
I save that for my sword saint run
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>>1775561
>Black Mask
who?
Also, feels like the difficulty is all over the place in some parts. Playful Darkness and the Umbral dragon were way off the charts hard if you didn't have a touch attack based damage dealer. Woljif's grandpa was way too weak, while Latverk was somehow bullshit strong
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>>1775593
slave vendor
>>1775561
My game didnt let me fight him.
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Wheres the arena?
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>>1775601
Lower city up from the gate to middle city if memory serves. Its giant round thing that rotates (might need to wait for door to come there)
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>>1775572
You mean stuff like this?

"Key": "81c5fd70-098d-49bd-b1dc-8b2d20ec90be",
"Value": "\"{Name}! Stop!\" {n}Standing before you is Seelah. She is wearing a new shiny armor, polished and decorated with Iomedae's sacred symbols.{/n} \"Do you even remember that you used to have this name? Do you have at least a drop of humanity remaining in you?\""
},
{
"Key": "e589f655-cc5f-49f1-9ee2-5407ba7b8940",
"Value": "\"You have become really scary... But I know: somewhere inside, lost among all these flies, there is still a real you! Can you hear me? Please, hear me! Please...\" {n}The young woman sobs.{/n} \"Come back. I miss you so much...\""
},
{
"Key": "b37f9132-72f3-4d62-9f4d-058a28995ff4",
"Value": "{n}The succubus stares at you bitterly. {/n} \"I hoped that you'll teach me how to be like mortals... Instead, you've turned into a monster that would make even demons of the Abyss nauseous. What a fall. What a... Pity.\""
},
{
"Key": "54c4db04-8dce-43f3-8dcd-abb76d53675b",
"Value": "\"You've betrayed everything — our hope, our loyalty, our crusade. You've betrayed the whole world and all the mortals who put their trust in you!\" {n}The cleric's voice rings with indignation.{/n} \"You are beyond forgiveness!\""
},
{
"Key": "e9edff7a-8c8d-4f7d-bf32-1372f0b76128",
"Value": "\"You've saved me from the Abyss. I owe you. But this won't stop me from sending you into the Abyss.\""
},
{
"Key": "6131c72e-0502-437f-9e0a-471ae061de07",
"Value": "\"I've been expecting such an outcome.\""
},
{
"Key": "51487105-fef8-471c-8d70-5f23d7580262",
"Value": "\"I guess, this is just my fate — to put my trust in those who turns out to be monsters.\" {n}Lann smiles crookedly.{/n} \"Well, not my first time.\""
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>>1775600
Ah, the dude that sold the arena slaves? LEfag, had no intent to be violent on the slavers.
Also, we need dinosaur bones vendors. Else Legendary Proportion gets stuck as an emergency button.
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>>1775612
Yep.
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>>1775472
Is that even in the game? Just leveled a figther to lvl 6 and there is nothing like it in the feat selection.
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>>1775609
Ember only one believing in (you) this is why you take care of her in every run.
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>>1775605
this moving map shit is awful, i cant find shit
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>>1775642
Even my NE scheming bitch Lich takes care of Ember.
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>>1775650
I just noticed how horrible my instructions were. So basically find the gate to middle city but stay in lower. If you follow the road it should lead you to the arena.
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>>1775651
based and bone mother pilled
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>>1775651
>>1775642
Even my demon slaughter guy can't bring himself to say anything mean to her. I don't think I will ever do a swarmcell playthrough boys.
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>>1775609
So there are like NONE at all companions, that wouldn't mind you becoming a Swarm? You would think Dark Arue or Nenio would be kinda okay
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>>1775628
It should be called something like "Advanced Weapon Training." Look at Regil's sheet under 5th level and you should see something similar as that's how he's able to make his Gnome Hooked Hammer Finessable even though its not normally so.
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Oh for fuck sake, I'm on my second run and Arue's dream quest in chapter 3 won't start. 4 months from the beginning of chapter and still nothing. Fuck, even Sosiel's cards quest wasn't bugged this time.
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>>1775690
Well, there is this...

"Key": "760f9d7b-1de8-4308-ac15-4060f76c0d7b",
"Value": "\"You can, I am positive of it. I know how abilities like your own work. Unlike priests, you do not gain your power by choice. You do not choose your destiny — you are simply chosen. The Other, whatever it was, chose you. You became its gateway and gained your power. Now it is dead... But this power still remains with you. This means that the gateway wasn't sealed with the death of its creator. Hence, you, Count, are an open road into the unknown, where the horrible head-collecting entities come from. You remain a threat, and this means... that there is a high probability that the tribunal decides to send you to the closed asylum, where you will stay under the church's supervision for the rest of your life. \""
},
{
"Key": "3e538bc4-5f52-4ace-8738-2f3fa6353489",
"Value": "\"I don't want to sound disrespectful, Commander, but... I really doubt that the Mendevian tribunal of Iomedae's Inquisition will consider favorably the arguments presented by a living swarm of demonic locusts.\""
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>>1775690
>wouldn't mind you becoming a Swarm? You would think Dark Arue or Nenio would be kinda okay
Of course every companion doesn't approve of Swarmtards, they aren't idiots.
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>>1775709
>Oh for fuck sake, I'm on my second run and Arue's dream quest in chapter 3 won't start.
Did you recruit her early? Because if so, it still seems to push her quest back after Areelu's Lab and the Ivory Sanctum.
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>>1775709
If you recruited her ealier, in the prison in chapter 2 with the Azata option, then it will only trigger after the Ivory Sanctum.
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>>1775709
Did you recruit her early?If so , it will trigger when you are ready to assault fane
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>>1775690
You become a living swarm of demonic locust who is only concerned with consuming everything in sight. Anyone that supports you is bound to end up as your food eventually.
Even the insane party members have some sort of self preservation instinct.
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>>1775710
>Demonic locusts.

Bingo, even the game confirms it. And people here argued that the Swarm Path isn't just "Demon+".
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>>1775729
There is a big difference between being a singular demon who only cares about indulging himself in pleasure and raging against things that he dislikes, and a living swarm of locust.
You might as well say Angel and Azata are the same because they both come from the upper planes.
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>>1775725
Tell that to Nenio, who tried to convince Zach to turn her into Lich or that other demon, i forgot her name, from act 3. Nenio asked her to plant demonic eggs into her ear.
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>>1775729
You acquire all sorts of insects, including veskavors.
And the obvious theme is out Deskarying Deskari.

If you want to be a retard who goes 'hurr durr, that is just like Demon Path', then sure.
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>>1775729
I would say Swarm is a Demon path turned absolute. Absolute in the worst possible way.
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>>1775707
I just kept on leveling and it's just bugged I'm sure. Was able to pick it at level 9, but I believe it should be available at 5, where Regill takes it.
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>>1775741
I wouldn't be surprised if others just dragged her away.
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>>1775745
Weird I had bug take it and I am sure of it.
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>>1775741
>>1775749
From the swarm sperging in Chapter 5
"Key": "9bab6050-e478-4718-abae-6c241bb86fbb",
"Value": "\"It appears Lady Areelu's experiment has taken an unexpected turn. How thrilling! How fascinating! Huh? Why is everyone getting ready to flee?\""
},
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>>1775758
Well, exactly what i expected. Nenio is still Nenio. *facepalm*
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>>1775741
Also she asks the demon surgeon in the Abyss to perform his experiments on her
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>>1775779
What does accepting even do? Does it have negative consequences?
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>>1775784
I accepted it and didnt notice any changes.
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>>1775690
Daeran is like "oh well, it was dumb but based nonetheless" when you get smited.
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>>1775642
>>1775681
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>>1773980
How is aru can?
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>>1775831
Cn*
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>>1775834
She is in the middle of her ascension quest, hence CN. If she SUCCeeds, she will become CG, otherwise she'll revert to CE.
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>>1775831
She starts out CN because at the beginning of the game, try as she might, she's still a succubus, with all the problems that come with it. Even with free will and the option to redeem herself, she's made of raw chaotic evil stuff, which from an alignment point of view balances out her frankly good-aligned behavior - since alingment, in game mechanics, also has an effect on how you react to certain spells and effects. Once her instincts are gone and her nature cleansed of that demonic shit, her alignment can actually shift to CG. Of course, if she falls back to her old habits, she goes back to being CE.
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>>1775849
Nobody cares. Nobody cares about any character in an owlcat game that a russian feminist wrote with the help of a thesaurus

Please stop talking about the characters and story in this game. Nobody gives a fuck. If you are in the beta then tell them to work on the AI and encounters
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>>1775867
iirc the succ was written by a guy
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>>1775867
Story, lore, and characters are talked about as much as gameplay mechanics here. You are not the world.
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>>1775894
Yeah, Arue, the Swarm path and Trickster path were written by the same guy.
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>>1775867
Nice bait, mate
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>>1775867
If Owlcat were making a game where players don't give a fuck about the story and characters, our threads would be as dead as BG3 threads, or as nonexistent as DOS2 threads.
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Daily remember that when the Swarm EATS, the Swarm FUCKS

"Key": "476f8db3-9fcc-4f64-bd66-dbd2c09b7d67",
"Value": "{n}The queen's song, the scent of her pheromones beckon you, like a lover inviting you to a secret date. You realize that you crave this encounter like nothing before.{/n}"
},
{
"Key": "57cb03ae-2df9-4514-8e14-9b42a6a7be95",
"Value": "[Devour the queen alive]"
},
{
"Key": "73826eb1-bd86-40e2-a384-5ee9e6f60ef6",
"Value": "[Take control of the queen]"
},
{
"Key": "aaa91176-7896-4f00-827a-c8788f3c126e",
"Value": "[Finish the queen off]"
},
{
"Key": "833aed96-d5ec-469d-b8ca-2c323a2237e7",
"Value": "{n}Battered and wounded, the queen bows before you. Her swarm echoes her plaintive song, filled with pain and hatred. Toxic fluid is oozing from her wounds, filling the air with a mind-boggling scent. This smell overflows you with the desire regular mortals couldn't ever fathom. The desire more burning than thirst for power, more insatiable than hunger and more irresistible than lust. You WANT this queen — to devour her, to become her and to make her a part of yourself. To replicate what Xanthir Vang once did... And then go even further — to accomplish what the old mage lacked courage or imagination to do.{/n}"
},
{
"Key": "6bf447c0-8c01-4bdf-b9f8-0ee994b39f8a",
"Value": "{n}No one in the whole world experienced as much pleasure as you do while gnawing into the queen's flesh. No one — except for, perhaps, the late Xanthir Vang and Deskari himself. This is more satisfying than food and more intimate than sex. She becomes you, you become her, and the buzz of vescavors becomes a wedding hymn, praising your blasphemous union with the queen.{/n}"
},
{
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>>1775900
>Arue, the Swarm path and Trickster path were written by the same guy
>arue
>swarm path
interesting
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>>1775910
Fuck this sounds awesome. Imagine being a Swarm, lads. Just fucking imagine.
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>>1775867
Please remove yourself from this thread.
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>>1775913
"Key": "b094bee9-166c-4af7-bad7-23451957dc87",
"Value": "Aizagna's secret helped the commander finally reincarnate into a swarm. Should we continue to call e {mf | go | e} this title? What is left of this creature from the mortally {mf | th | th} wore {mf | | th} the title of commander? Now this word has completely lost its meaning - there is no more crusade. Now it is a war of two swarms - the young and insolent against the ancient and cautious. From the point of view of mortals, this is just a battle of two monsters - whoever wins, those around them will become next target. "
},

The future is now, old Swarm.
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>>1775900
*by the guy who wrote Linzi, Amiri and the cuck couple. Aka the most hatefuckable characters and the most hateable characters.
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>>1775938
Linzi and amiri were fine tho?
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>>1775951
Amiri not being a romance option is up there on the list of the number of crimes Paizo is guilty of.
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>>1775895
>>1775905
>>1775906
>>1775920
Why is it such a hard pill for you to swallow? Its almost like you know I'm telling the truth and you are eager to deflect

A pathfinder game will never have actual soul as long as its made by russians. I have never played BG3 but I can guarantee its magnitudes better than what owlcat does

What owlcat needs to do is copy IWD, not BG.
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>>1775951
I'm still mad that you couldn't fuck the shortstack
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>>1775957
>A pathfinder game will never have actual soul
Fixed that for you.
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>>1773286

>Release date pushed back to september
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>>1775957
>I have never played BG3 but I can guarantee its magnitudes better than what owlcat does
I have
You're dead wrong
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>>1775957
Your initial statement was that 'nobody cares about story/characters written by Owlcat', which is categorically false.
Quality being crap or whatever is a whole different argument you can make
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>>1775957
>>1775867
Based falseflagger trying to stir up the thread with bait to make it go faster
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>>1775867
>>1775957
Finally, a wise man in wotr's thread.
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>>1775973
Why do you care though

It is crap
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>>1775957
Kingmaker was hardcarried by its soul. Russians singlehandedly made Golarion a more interesting setting than FR after 3.5.
Like really, I don't give a shit about BG3 and any other new FR game, but would gladly play any other Pathfinder AP adaptation. And FR used to be an absolutely amazing vidya setting.
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>>1775979
Call me a fact checker.
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>>1775729
>And people here argued that the Swarm Path isn't just "Demon+"
Define "Demon+"
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>>1775984
onision is that you?
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>>1776002
I have no idea what the fuck that is.
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>>1775849
speaking of outsiders, do you guys know if they need to breathe?

Seems kinda weird that places like the abyss or abbadon would have breathable air given that everything on it wants you fucking dead
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>>1776035
They do need to breathe, according to the SRD.
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>>1776024
lolcow who used to (?) call himself a fact machine.
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Where is Klaem in Drezen?
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how do non-mage fags even sleep at night
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>>1776066
Around the temple near Arsinoe if I'm not mistaken
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>>1776066
If memory serves on your way to church.
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>>1776068
With intimidation build/vital strike build?
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>>1776068
Better than magecels, thats for sure
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>>1776073
>>1776077
Cope
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>>1776085
>mobashit
opinion immediately dismissed
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>>1776122
I didn't ask
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>>1775983
>And FR used to be an absolutely amazing vidya setting.
No.
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>>1775959
>I'm still mad that you couldn't fuck the shortstack
The funny part is that there is a human guy in Kingmaker that is actually was married with children to a halfling.
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>>1776454
muh pedophilia! Wasnt there dev who said this unironically though I can't remember what game.
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>>1776462
It was David Gaider, from Bioware. He also said that people that wanted romanceable female Qunari were fetishist as well.
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>>1776480
But male Qunaris are okay. I wouldn't be surprised if he was blacked poster who wanted grey macho romance to satisfy his fetish (or someone in studio).
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>>1775910
>This is more satisfying than food and more intimate than sex. She becomes you, you become her, and the buzz of vescavors becomes a wedding hymn, praising your blasphemous union with the queen
h-hot
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>>1776480
>He also said that people that wanted romanceable female Qunari were fetishist
he's not wrong but he's still a total faggot.
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Where does Arue go after you tell her to burn her dream down? Do you just have to wait a few days for her to turn up, or is she somewhere specific?
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what the fuck
how did this happen
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>>1776582
are you undead?
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>>1776586
no, this an aasimar at the char creation screen
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>>1776577
She is in chapter 5, which isn't in the beta.
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>>1776577
she left to become whore. *hits pipe*
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>>1776597
I would back out to main screen and try again
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>>1776577
She fucks off for the next chapter, she comes back during Chapter 5 (most likely during a random encounter) at the head of a crew of cultists.

"Key": "e2fc8de0-58db-4ab2-aee5-8e8111ba19bc",
"Value": "\"What a pleasant surprise. Hello!\" {n}Arueshalae stands before you, her blood-covered lips stretched in a wide grin. Her clawed fingers clutch the gnawed hand of a child, which she merrily waves in greeting.{/n} \"Hey, boys. Say hello to an old friend of mine. Come in, come in!\""
},
{
"Key": "abdc4375-3701-43d6-b7c6-2e298a9782de",
"Value": "\"Indeed they are. These handsome fellows had a jolly good time in the Worldwound wastes, but they were longing for some feminine warmth...\" {n}Arueshalae slowly strokes her thigh.{/n} \"As well as sage feminine counsel. And now I have my own gang. Isn't it great?\""
},
{
"Key": "022aefcb-0a01-4e63-84b8-ae2bb0013e01",
"Value": "\"I wanted to come, and I'm here. After all those wasted years of chasing dreams, I almost forgot how much fun one could have in the world of mortals. But I'm certainly making up for lost time!\""
},
{
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>>1776582
>>1776597
WTF LICHBROS EVEN AASIMARS ARE DABBING ON US NOW
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>>1776577
Should have remembered the wise words of Uncle Greybor, anon >>1774869
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>>1776628
add gnomes to the list
can anyone else check if this happens to them, load a premade inquisitor build
my stupid guess is that the game loads jaethals stats or idunno
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>>1776639
local manlet too charismatic to die
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>>1774205
I don't know about all abilities but it was ignoring my groups fire immunity from firebrand or whatever.
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>>1776639
Just checked with the premade inquisitor build as you mentioned, and it indeed resulted in no CON score.
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>>1776639
>>1776653
I put points into it and it appeared again
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Cmon guys! Do your Jaethal lich runs before beta ends!
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Remind me, what classes get to hit touch AC reliably other than blasters and kineticists? I recall there's a magus arcana but not much else comes to mind.
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>>1776647
That might throw my plans out the window then. I was thinking about a Kineticist Lich build using Cloud (Ascendant Element - Negative Energy + Death to Elements) and having my skelly crew just get fucking healed while everything else got deleted.
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>>1776699
Alchemists? Or was that the blasters part?
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Going from this game to BG3 or sol is so fucking lame, they have no races, no classes and a very weak power level overall.
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>>1776699
Alchemist bombs I'm pretty sure?
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>>1776619
I want my hot succ gf but I don't want her to leave me :(
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>>1776773
and the fucking level cap in bg3 oof.
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>>1776787
then don't be cuckold young man
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>>1776782
>>1776728
I guess but bomb splash damage is a pain if you have characters in melee of the mob you're bursting.
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>>1776796
Anon, there is a discovery to negate that, which grenadiers get for free
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>>1776792
I can't roleplay demon then I guess. Her dreams stuff is so cute bros
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>>1776844
based reformed anon. Demon is weakest path anyway.
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>>1776787
>I want my hot succ gf but I don't want her to leave me :(
Good Arue has bigger mommy milkers tho.

Also mandatory:

>*hits pipe*
>I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than corrupting Arueshalae. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are helping, leveling, listening to and fighting side by side with a romance option for at least 18 levels and 5 mythic levels solely so she can go and get ravaged by demonic cultists if you pick the [Evil] option in that one dream quest. All the hard work you put into your cute succubus companion - listening to her story about Desna, helping her kill that hag, making sure she learns about the dreams of other mortals, helping her with her nightmares and Dimalchio. All of it has one simple result if you make her a demon again: her body is more enjoyable for the CE men that will eventually fuck her in every hole. Gave her a perfect build and equipement? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random Deskari or Baphomet follower who had nothing to do with the way she leveled up, who decided to join her crew. He gets to have both his balls and soul drained every night. He gets the benefits of her one-dimensional personality that came from the way you told her to burn her dreams down. As a man who corrupts Arueshalae, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least several hours of your playthrough simply to raise a companion for other men to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
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>>1776820
I'll just be honest and say I don't want to play an alchemist either. By the way, does anyone know what happens if you don't go full Lich if you're down that mythic path? Are you forced to change paths or what?
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>>1774656
I meant how to get off the cliff, to I go into the caves?
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Why doesn't Arueshalae look like a human to the Wintersun people?
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>>1776907
like suture says desna stink ew
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>>1776907
and they thought about it because of the runestone quest thing already, so
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>>1776907
Same reason Demon path is seen as a human, while the other paths aren't, despite it all being the same Abyss juice. Her choices and the influence of Desna make her fundamentally no longer a demon.
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>>1776907
Do we even know they dont? No one speaks to her in there as far as I can recall
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>>1776635
I'm a lich, so I can't romance her anyway. I'm just corrupting her so she won't be a do-gooder that'll get in the way of world conquest.
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>>1776708
I've been having a fun run of giving my entire party Gift of Unlife and then spamming Negative Energy Explosion on top of us for full-HP healing with chunky damage.
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>>1776934
she helps you if she is good anyway to finish your war. as in person who you were.
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I really like Suture. What a lad.
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>>1776951
Suture is pretty based. I've always helped him out when it came up so far.
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>>1776934
She'll betray you if you do, so you'd better sacrifice her for lich transformation.
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>>1776708
Not many creatures have negative energy affinity, so you can rely on that.
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>>1776708
>Cloud
Cloud is a form infusion related to air or water, so half of its damage would be physical damage. Blue fire eruption every round would be more appropriate.
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>>1776968
>Physical
Yeah, I always forget about that part. There's no getting around that, is there? I mean, I'd test it, but Death of Elements doesn't work at all right now (at least from what I've tried).
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>>1774614
>>1774645
And why can't a lich fake love to better manipulate his companions?
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>>1777071
for the same reason most of what you say is earnest and affects your alignment, even when someone suggests to act strangely
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why don't the aoe will-hit indicators actually match what's going to happen i keep hitting my allies with these cones
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>Go to start a character
>Realize I have to play through that stupid long tutorial section again
Is it longer than Kingmaker's? It feels way longer than Kingmakers
I want to just make a character and wake up in the tavern for fucks sake
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>>1774769
>the main draw of lich is immortality
the fucking lv 20 capstone of wizard gives you inmortality, no mythic bullsit involved
muh lichdom was always a retarded meme that only shitty npc consider because they are incapable to reach lv 20 in their lives inside the system
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zippy best jokes laughter actually crashed my game vs three enemies i thought it was a joke
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>>1777162
Immortality is not just about not dying from aging, anon
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>>1777203
you still have weakness as the skellieman, if you are an adventurer thats going to reach level 20 anyways you won't have much to worry about outside your own mortality anyways, and there are multiple ways to reach immortality beyond the "can't even enjoy a good stake anymore" one
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>>1777219
if you're a skellyman if you die you are not killed.
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>>1777088
It feels longer because you starts from boring underground labyrinth.
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>>1777219
Few things match a phylactery, anon.
Even demigods like Eldest or Demon lords have more restrictions (only in the first world or places with strong ties to it and once per year respectively).
And making tons of simulacrums/clones is costlier and weakens you each time
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>>1777203
You die when someone breaks your phylactery.
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>>1777231
And survive everything else. Decent trade-off as far as survivability goes
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>>1777088
I certanly felt the tax less than kingmaker, or at least have finished chapter 1 as a whole more times that in kingmaker in all these years, wich most of the time I quit the run right after arriving to oleg's the first time
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>>1777233
>And survive everything else.
This reminds me Hagulka boasting fire-immune trolls' 'immortality except acid'. But we all know only one way to kill is enough way to kill.
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>>1777246
Totally equivalent.
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>>1777233
the thing is there isn't an "everything else", once you're level 20 any danger as soon as you take age out of the equation are nothing useless you go full retard and try to pick a fight with deities/semi, you can enjoy your eternity in any form, skellies or not, just that as undead you can't really enjoy anything of it, and just go mad like every other lich, or turn into urgathoa "general"bitch boy, and not even she went full retard and turned into a whole squeleton, and can enjoy stuff like food with the upper half thanks to god powers
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>>1777203
>be Trickster
>you're now fey so you're automatically outside the cycle of death and you get to keep your dick
>:^)
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>>1773295
>socoth and noct
fucking jaethal had more of a romance, and not even then it counts, "being able to bone" is not a romance
>mythic and aligment poll don't match at all
wat
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>>1777271
A lich can survive the everything else long before he reaches 20, which increases likelihood he does hit it. And again, at that point, you can get away with more shit than most demigods regardless. You can downplay that all you want, but it's a fact
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>>1777284
Only in first world or areas strongly connected to it.
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>>1777271
>unless you go full retard and try to pick a fight with deities/semi
i have news about what you're trying to do in this campaign
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>>1777292
you're already level 18 by the end of the beta, and by the time you turn into a full lich after re-retaking drezen you will already be, or almost be, 20, thats not fucking "long before"
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>lichfags are still coping
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>>1777319
Anon, we are talking about liches in general, not the gameplay in Wrath. Phylactery is not even implement gameplay wise. You pick the path for other mechanical bullshit. And to have a bitchin ziggurat.
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>>1777322
>retarded trolls still cry 'o-o-other paths are kinda sorta immortal too, if you do not kill them
Pathetic
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>>1777301
>y-you're only completely unkillable if your body stays inside the infinite mega magic plane that contains a sample of everything you could ever want
so what you're saying is 'take a page out of runelord sorshen's book and create a replicas'? :^)
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>>1777312
do mental gymnastic to turn into a feel nothing skeleton when its not even a default power path for the mythic powers that allow you to fight them?
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>>1777312
we are talking in general, his point is that its a valid choice to pursue and mine that its a dumb choice that only npc in the setting make, and only turn into generic adventurer's chaff without a gm tuning up the lich
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>>1777336
Sure, if you just want to hide away from every other plane and threat in existence without actively engaging in anything, just stick your soul in a demiplane and stay there like a little bitch.
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>>1777345
> lichel seething
I'm sorry I can't hear you from all the infinite lives of being eternal, everlasting and sex capable I've lived through in the last ten minutes. Fey perks, you know.
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>>1777356
So you are proud of being a bitch of Shyka.
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Why would you use a Fauchard on a Sword Saint? Doesn't that stop you from using Spell Combat/Spellstrike?
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>>1777231
Not unless you throw it into the world-wound
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>>1777361
> haha you got mythic cancer i wanna see you get out of this one!
> *survives anyway also steals lichel ascension ending*
> ah, but nevertheless.
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>>1777369
You do not really care for that.
You just take improved critical on a weapon with higher crit range than most and go to town (Saints get a bonus to crit confirmation rolls)
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Lichels just don't understand. What's cool about the Lich path is that you get to command actual armies of the undead, both personally and in the homm sections. It's about an aesthetic rpg fans have asked for years. Not about buying into in-game kool aid lmao.
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>>1777406
this
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I want to EAT Arueshalae!
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>>1777420
average new yorkers
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>>1777369
>Why would you use a Fauchard on a Sword Saint? Doesn't that stop you from using Spell Combat/Spellstrike?
yes but those things arent as good as having a fauchard
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>pick other mythic path
>ascend
>keep your dick too
Lichbros...
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>>1777451
>swarm
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>>1777437
One more attack isn't as good as reach weapon. The real problem is you can't use weapon finnese for such weapons, and it makes your DEX and AC low.
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sosiel keeps killing his brother, where did i screw up
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>>1777467
19dex + 5 at lvl 20= +7ac
19 str 14 dex = +2 ac
it's really not that big of a difference
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>>1777503
You can't save Trever in the beta.
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>>1777451
anon you simply do not have the mindset to truly be a lich
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>>1777516
oh damn
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>>1777516
buck status: broken kek
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Good fucking lord Arue was a murder-turboslut. Like put the succ in succubus.
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>>1777503
companion not implemented, pls understand
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Does feat like Improved Critical or class ability like chosen weapon applies to threat range of Rain of Halberd spell?
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>>1777579
no but fuck it'd be cool if it did
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>>1775741
Whatever happens if you "Make Nenio stronger!"?
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>>1775741
>Nenio asked her to plant demonic eggs into her ear
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>>1777361
You don't have to be Shyka'd
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>>1777088
>Is it longer than Kingmaker's?
It's more dreary to go through multiple times, especially if you've played since alpha.
I run story mode through chapter 1 than switch to core at this point.
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Is there a release date for Wrath?
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>>1777356
>Fey
>Dies of Mythic Cancer, Fails to complete his dream, or stops being and becomes Shyka instead
>Lich
>Ascends to godhood on his own terms, completes every goal he sets out to do, and becomes completely immortal thanks to tossing his Phylactery into the World wound as it closes
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>>1777775
March 2022
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Bros if the gods can communicate with mortals does that means Erastil will try to stop you if you're thinking of pulling out?
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>>1777775
September 2
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>>1777811
>becomes completely immortal thanks to tossing his Phylactery into the World wound as it closes
>willingly putting the thing that makes you vulnerable and controllable into demon territory
Without a doubt the most retarded idea I've ever heard.
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>>1777850
Not exactly, Lich puts his philactery into the wall between the dimensions.
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>>1777850
It's not thrown through when it's still open, anon. It gets thrown through just as it closes, getting it stuck outside of space and time.
I think. That's what the datamined ending said the last time I checked.
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>>1777857
You are telling me a powerful Lich is hiding his phylactery in an almost impossible to reach place that can be tracked with magic. What an original idea and not something every lich has tried and failed to do since the beginning of the concept of a phylactery. What are the odds a plucky group of adventurers set out on quest to find it and actually manage to do it.
Truly nothing can stop the Lich Path now, it's not as if they need their mommy goddess to bail them out of Pharasma judgement.
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to be honest anything that can kill a level 20/mythic 10 is going to be something that can probably deal with bullshit
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>>1777850
>>1777857
>>1777886
So THIS is why you're compared to Tar-Baphon. Not bad desu.
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>>1777857
So if the Lich is destroyed, he will reborn near his phylactery, which is indestructible prison between the fabric of Universe. Cool.
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Zacharius couldn't regenerated when destoryed even when his phylactery is safe, so phylactery's safety doesn't ensure one's immortality
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Lichfags once again BTFO
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>>1777899
>>1777894
>So if the Lich is destroyed, he will reborn near his phylactery, which is indestructible prison between the fabric of Universe. Cool.

Being inside the space/time of the abyss sounds like a bad fucking time tho
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>>1777894
>is indestructible prison between the fabric of Universe
is in an indestructible prision that is nowhere in the universe, just in the unlimited space between the already infinite planes, the phylactery is completely safe, but the moment you die you're fucked, reform in that same space trapped for eternity, losing your items is the last of your problems
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>>1778031
plane shift?
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Can someone list all the portal keys locations for the midnight isles are?
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>>1778039
it moves a creature from your current plane/dimension into another, but the space between from glitching a portal is basically "nowhere", you aren't in a plane
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>>1778039
basically >>1778058, if it was a table game you could bullshit around by making one of those semi dimentions high level wizards can make(need to archieve it before dying the first time), use a personal created spell to go there, and then move back into the material plane, but that would be only if you're playing a wizardy class, any other class that rolls into lich is 100% fucked if the somehow get their body destroyed once
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>>1777899
If you try to fight him in ziggurat and kill him, he later comes back
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Guys I'm getting my ass kicked on core I need a new build.

My current one is
4 dragon disciple
(Going to be) 16 bloodrager primalist abyssal bloodline
Demon mythic

My only requirement for the build suggestions are: Needs to be martial and fit in the spirit of demon guy who gets close and splits dudes open
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>>1778308
Are you buffing?
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>>1778310
>>1778308
99% of the time, the solution to a seemingly insurmountable encounter in this game is to stack as many of the right buffs as you possibly can.
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>>1778310
Yes when encounters are hard I am stacking everything humanly possible. I managed to get through them that way but it's a fucking slog and I'm pretty sure I'm generally underpowered
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>>1777811
>Azata
>Heals the Worldwound, becomes an immortal outsider, always will have a home in Elysium, free to do whatever he wants after the crusade is over, has a cute daughterpetwife who is never going to leave him
How can otherfags even compete?
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>>1778353
By not being binded to some higher extra-planar creature
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Alright anons, a *technical* question: by any chance, does anyone know which variable in .json stores the number of times you've gotten a respec from Hilor?
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>>1778326
It might be a companion problem - who are you travelling with and how did you level them?
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>>1778353
By not being as flamboyantly homosexual
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>>1778492
>trickster
>not being a flamboyant homo
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>>1778503
Societyman would never let a dick near his fey ass.
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>>1778506
tell that to Socothbenoth
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>>1778508
It's not gay if it's a demon lord of perversion besides, Soc is a sub
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>>1778492
>Trickster copulates with Socoth
>Demon literally breaks the buck
>meanwhile, Azata gets two cute girls
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>>1778508
Not gay according to the Greek rules
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>>1778518
In that case, the gayest one would be Azata>Devil. Literally groomed by a Discord mod.
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>>1778514
>>Demon literally breaks the buck
>tfw that's probably what happened to Trever in the Abyss
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>>1778514
>gets two cute girls
>is irreversibly and inescapably gay
Sad!
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>>1778353
Merged spellbook Lich>Fagzata
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>>1778514
One of those two girls is underage reptile, as for the other – not only azata gets her, but also literally every single Abyss denizen, so that's hardly a feat. Besides, azatas all about free love and shit, so "getting" someone is really not an option.
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>>1778207
"Value": "{n}When Zacharius replies, his voice quivers with fury.{/n} \"After you defeated me, you deprived me of the ability to get my body back! How did you do it? How? What is that power you possess?\""
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>>1778512
>>1778508
>>1778514
>tricking Socoth into having gay sex
>purposely don't say "no homo" at the end
GALFREY'S GONNA FREAK
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both azata and trickster made for lgbt+ community. only angel and aeon are for straight males
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>>1778540
>aeon is for straight males
>vanishes at the end of the game once his time is over, having made the world a better place for everyone else
What did owlcat mean by this
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>>1778540
>internet janny
>for straight males
aeon is obviously pedo, leaving angel and legend as the only straight male choices
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Why no Woljif, Ember, Nenio romance?
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>>1778559
Because in most countries, sex with legally recognized retards is not allowed inb4 women
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>>1778559
virgins
this would pander male predators
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>>1778559
>kid
>retard
>fox
why indeed
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>>1778597
How old is woljif anyway? 20? 16?
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>>1778759
Always thought he was 18-19
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>>1777503
>>1777516
Wait, wat. You find Trever in beta?
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>>1778964
Yeah, there's a quest about him in the Abyss, but it seems to be still bugged.
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>>1778964
Trever is in battlebliss in abyss. I got perception check to recognise the dire one as him, but it seems you cant save him because sosiel killed him so far in beta but I will admit I did not try much.
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>>1778966
Never appeared for me in my first run, but "guest failed" info also never appeared. lol Are there some set conditions?
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>>1778975
oh, thanks for info
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>>1777811
> Haha you got mythic cancer, let's see you get out of this one!
> *Gets out of that one*
> Ah, but at least women use my phylactery as a dildo.
Do lichcels really.
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How can I help Suture in the mine? I have second key but there's no option to give it to him.
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>>1778536
>tricking Socoth into having gay sex
>tricking demon lord of hentai into having sex
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>>1778759
Devs said he's older than Dae and Lann, and in first drafts he was like 25-26. Really fucking makes you think
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>>1779151
Damn I can barely take his cringe now but I used to cope with the fact he is just a kid but if he is older than Lann and Daeran..
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>>1779162
Being mendevian thiefling is hard man
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>>1779162
he's still young enough to be a pure boy
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first playthrough i picked gorum but i only really got one quest interaction with that. this time desna and i am getting some more
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I have second key right now in inventory but there's no new dialogue option.
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>>1779209
this is scripted
you will see him as a slave in fleshmarket
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>tfw thread so dead no one creates a new one hundred posts after bumplimit
Crusaders, we got too cocky...
no, I am not going to create it myself
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Do Azata performances conflict with Bard/Skald? As in they can only do one or the other?
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>>1779221
Good question.
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>>1779221
They conflicted in the old beta, and I think someone complained that they still doesn't stack in the new one
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>>1779229
hmm so do demon and barb rages, so i'm guessing thats intentional
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>>1779262
retarded is what it is, especially with rage. At least you can be sure that mods will fix it moments after the release
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>>1779262
If you get unlimited rage does it allow for unlimited demon rage?
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>>1779125
I told Areelu that he was in the mine when you meet her and Nocticula, and she showed up to save Suture and kill the Balor when I got to that area.
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>>1779311
>>1779209
Ignore this, it's a spoiler because I thought you were talking about a different area.
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>>1779292
nope
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>>1779229
>>1779262
So basically you should *not* take a performance class with Azata or a rage class with Demon? Seems counterintuitive but oh well.
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MERGE RAGES FOR DEMON
MERGE SONGS FOR AZATAS
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Does all mythic classes' spellcasting ability is Charisma?(if not merged) I'm considering Overwhelming Soul Lich.
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>>1779348
IIRC angel uses Wisdom
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>>1779262
Rage is N rounds per day, while Demonic Rage is N times per day, so they can't be stacked. But Azata's song should be merged with Bardic Performance, like Aeon's Aeon Bane merged with Inquisitor's Bane.
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>>1779348
Lich uses INT if I'm not mistaken, so you should take a Dark Elementalist and power through with the souls of your enemies.
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>>1779353
Angel might but you merge it with cha class like oracle.
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What are you guys playing? I am doing mutation fighter run dual-wielding falcatas and also trying to squeeze intimidation feats in there. Forgive me for my horrible stat line.
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>>1779913
are you doing an RP build? i hope you're taking a scaled fist dip at the very least
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>>1779919
nope not RP build nor dipping expect thug when/if I get intimidation feats online. Beuty of beta at least is that I opportunity to try weird builds to see if they work, this is my cope.
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Which would make more a more kino run as a Sorc/Arcane Trickster: Trickster or Azata? What bloodlines would be the most fun with that build? I'm leaning toward Trickster, but I just don't know how much sense that makes given the story.
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>>1780135
I would say azata since common consensus its storywise BETTER than trickster and zippy magic and other perks work well. But if you want to go for trickster character go for it.



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