>noooo you can't experiment on trolls, you should release it and let it kill innocents until someone manages to kill it!!>noooo you can't kill those slavers that go around torturing people for giggles and shit and that kept me and my boyfriend whipped since we were children! >noooo you can't kill those bandits that just murdered an entire camp of traders, they said they are sorry!!!Is this what taking orc dick every morning for twenty years does to your brain?
Even Tristian having to pretend he is the nicest person to ever walk the human globe tells you to kill those, which makes it extra tiring to put up with Octavia's shit.
is it me or is Jamandi, after she gave me my own land to manage, has been acting like a straight up cunt with that one spat with Oleg? I know hurr durr river kingdoms rule but really, long after declaring the Outskirts part of my territory, she just straight up sent tax collectors to him. and then was surprised when i tried to protect my interests by sending up troops to protect my interests. also>that unflattering comparison of me being like a bandit taking up protection rackets in that letterbitch, you really wanna go when im through with the rest of the stolen lands? i don't give a fuck if you installed me as a retsovic puppet state >>1615137>CG>not acting like a modern day SJWit's you fault that you brought her along adventures and not getting yourself a merc to cover all her bases in the party
If you let Reg zap the slaver bitch when you first meet them, she's okay with it (as is Tristian). She'd just prefer to avoid violence unless absolutely necessary.
>>1615137She's perfectly fine with the troll being executed though, just not imprisoned same with the slaver, she'd like to show mercy but just shrugs her shoulders if the bitch is executed, and she never has an issue with you killing bandits
>>1615137Lusting for gay orc dick do makes you support a shitty slav take on the worst version of D&D.
>>1615180>look mom i am a hipster!
>>1615318But PF is literally the hipster version of 3rd edition.Try again.
>want to experiment with multi-classing>nothing useful I come up with feels character-appropriate for companions
>>1615159>pacifist in inherently extremely violent worldThis retarded meme needs to die already. Pacifism is inherently an luxury saved for spoiled and sheltered or suicidal prophets and martyrs.
of all the monsters that exist in the game, i can't tell you how much i want to completely exterminate the Fey off this world. FUCK the fey
When the fuck do Octavia and Regongar bitch at each other in the tavern so I can ruin their lives and make them split then possibly an-hero later on?I've gotten the tavern chat where they try to convince you to fuck after playing cards, but that's all I've gotten from them. I am told they are supposed to have some sort of camping chat while you are out traveling, but I've been using them for a lack of better choices and they haven't said anything.
>>1615594Pretty sure you need to fuck either (or both) of them to get that scene.
>>1615594Probably after the master Janush quest?
>>1615600Bah, really?Oh well, gotta do what you gotta do.
>>1615594Pretty sure that only happens if you get into a relationship with one of them, otherwise their default is to stay with each other
>>1615608Unless you turn Reg CN, their relationship is doomed anyhow.
>>1615613What fun is that, though? Nay, I shall fuck both. Then I shall make them hate one another. Then I will drop them immediately and watch them stew in bitter tears.
>>1615620Based homewrecker slut.
Which part of the last part? about slavers and traders?? I forgot
>>1615137I see ork, I klill them.I see an ork sympathizer and I kill them, twice.
Why is this game so popular in 4chan?You'd think its as popular as Witcher3 by the amount of thread and posts it getsSame with UnderrailI guess its just build autism. I love it too tho.
The gnome alchemist is pretty based. I wonder why nobody ever mentions the little shit.
>>1615680It's a good game. Same as Underrail. Unlike Underrail, cucks also latched onto it and are now shitposting about their fetish, which kinda contributes to how much it's mentioned.
Linzi's voice acting makes me diamond. It really fits her.
>>1615680It's pretty much the best modern crpg out there. Also that autism you mentioned.
>>1615685he's always mentioned here from time to time for being a cunt AND can back up on what he does. that said, i expected him to be more serious and direct than the usual cynical brit snob when i first saw him
>>1615680>Why is this game so popular in 4chan?Dedicated discord shills. Same with Underrail.
>>1615725Rent free, etc.
>>1615725Take meds in required dosage.
I am just at the season of bloom, but I seem to be able to fuck around to go just about anywhere including Varnhold right off the bat. There any point in doing that, or will nothing happen just like in troll trouble where unless the quest is up nothing happens and you'll just loot the area with awkwardly nothing going on and then come back later?
>>1615759You can't actually go past Varnhold yet, If you try to go there You get stopped by soldiers and escorted to the town, then when you leave you get deposited back on your lands. You also can't go into Glennebon or Pitax yet. Anywhere else you can go, after season of Bloom is a good time to knock out most of the artisan quests
>>1615790Oh alright, so there IS another lmaomagicfog, just not visible on the map. I was wondering, but didn't exactly want to stretch the deadlines too much. Thanks for the heads up.
>>1615157>is it me or is Jamandi, after she gave me my own land to manage, has been acting like a straight up cunt with that one spat with Oleg?She meant for you to be a puppet proxy nothing more, you actually reigning the land in and growing powerful suprised her.
>>1615587Lucky for you there's about a dozen or so events/interactions where you just straight up murder just cause plus 90% of the enemes are fey
>>1615137>noooo you can't experiment on trolls, you should release it and let it kill innocents until someone manages to kill it!!She didn't have a problem with killing the troll. She had a problem with it being kept in captivity and used in inhumane experiments. She clearly wanted it to be put out of its misery, not released into the wild.>noooo you can't kill those slavers that go around torturing people for giggles and shit and that kept me and my boyfriend whipped since we were children! You're somehow surprised that a chaotic good character is a bit squeamish about executing an unarmed person who surrendered and is pleading for their life?>>noooo you can't kill those bandits that just murdered an entire camp of traders, they said they are sorry!!!I don't remember this happening at all. Hell, IIRC she found it funny when you talk that bandit group with the halfling into killing each other.
>>1615473Make Amiri a Barb/Slayer multi. Octavia should also go for Arcane Trickster ASAP
I am going to use Call of the Wild for the first time, which class should I play?
>>1615137You know you can get her to become Chaotic Neutral and not care about any of that, right?
>>1615137Is this the cuck game?
>>1616276>cuck gameThere's more than one Baldur's Gate threads up and running, you'll find what you are looking for there.
>>1616286Someone already posted my line in the BG thread... I make sure to keep the both fanbases fighting but someone's been doing my job for me recently. Shit sucks :(
>>1616286What's cucked about OG Baldur's Gate?
>>1616303Aerie can cuck you with Haer'Dalis
>>1616311That's if you are romancing someone else
Is spindle a kineticist trap? I assume it behaves somewhat the way same lightning strike does, but if it ever hits something - it's always a single target. If it's not a requirement for anything, it's safe to skip it, right?
>>1616316Well, yeah. You've cracked the code - that's the cuckoldry /v/ keeps talking about.
>>1616204Octavia Trickster and a few levels in DD for Reg are no-brainers, yeah. Amiri as Barb /THF sounded good to me, but Slayer might also work. Some Stalwart Defender for Val. Really at a loss for everyone else though.
>>1616392>Really at a loss for everyone else though.Caster classes generally don't benefit much from multiclassing and Ekun doesn't need it either unless you want to make him something other than an archer.
Do Octavia and Reg's alignment shifts come from romance or from doing their personal quests?
>>1616416Yeah, true enough. I wanted to give Ekun some levels in Paladin, but that'd make Okbo fall off and die forever, I guess.>>1616428It's their quest.
>Tristian shows up in artwork with a crossbow for some reason>Comes equipped with a scimitar>Has no mention of such weaponry anywhere in his character>Octavia is shown wearing a staff>comes equipped with a bow and has perks for suchFor what purpose
>>1616428It's their quest where you confront Maestro Janush, you get a choice whether to free the slaves or go after Janush, if you free the slaves then Regongar becomes Chaotic neutral, If you go after Janush then Octavia does. >>1616451Tristian probably has a scimitar because of muh Serenrae
>>1616451Scimitar is Sarenrae's favoured weapon. But no reasonable leader would let him go melee, thus crossbow.Staff is the traditional weapon for Wizards. Her feats are for ranged touch attacks, not bows necessarily.
>>1616451A lot of the artwork is probably made before other things in the game are finalized. Crossbows and staves are common mage weapons but in the final game Octavia has a bow because she has a level in rogue, and Tristian has a scimi because it's Sarenrae's weapon.
Character exists to fill a slot and be a casual pump and dump till you find someone, anyone better prove me wrong.
>>1616392Slayer is one of the strongest martial classes, you get full BAB, sneak attack, a decent number of skill points and some bonus feats. It fits her character pretty well too.
Every single time...
>>1616374So if any NPCs that you are not romancing, are in a relationship between each other, you are cucked? I don't understand, this doesn't make any sense
>>1616649Your PC who romanced her in an alternate timeline is cucked
So we can just agree that Jubilost is just better Linzi in all ways.
>>1616589Problem is getting Tartuk is a PITA if you aren't sticking to the right alignments, only joins in the endgame, and there are no other spellcasters out there. So you are stuck running Octavia because full arcane spellcasting is just that good despite not having Abjuration nor Necromancy.>>1616685Can Jubilost replicate Good Hope? Can he provide the +5 competence bonus to attack rolls?
>>1616691Who cares? He brings the blazing intensity of his sass.
>>1616685We can agree that Linzi isn't worth using purely because of how obnoxious she is as a character.
>>1616706Dunno, a character providing hard to replace utility makes her more tolerable. Also, the gal is smart, just in need of a steady hand in guiding her. A printing press was a smart decision, but she just needed to ask first.
>>1616716>the gal is smartyou could say she's a talking encyclopedia
>>1616691Wait you can get Tartuk? As in, his kobold shape not back as spoilersman?
>>1616725Honestly, having added magic item crafting into the story could have changed her end. It's just 10k to add the ability to shapeshift to an intelligent magic item.
>>1616737If you vassalize him he can join your party at the very end of the game when you go to Trobold during the Laturn king's hijinks
>>1616737Yes. He's not relevant in any way as a companion though, as you can only get him in the very last stretch of the end-game.
Bros? Why is Ekundayo not showing up at the watchtower even though I am literally fighting the trolls at their base by now?
>>1615137How are the realm managing mechanics? Good? Realistic? Is it just a side thing to do when you're bored and don't want to farm XP or does it actually matter?
>>1616892It's a pretty straight-forward, RNG-heavy side thing that you can't really ignore, lest your kingdom crumbles into dust. I like it for the fluff, personally, it's not in any way compelling gameplay-wise.
>champions for the common people to the point of not fixing his eyesight, not afraid to speak his mind against people in power, is willing to let gnomes prank him if it'll give them a few more hours of being happy and alive>Chaotic Neutral>kicks a corpse and laughs about it, wants a flower that's been summoning owlbears in my kingdom to live because "it's so sad to burn it", gleefully burns her mother's house down>Chaotic GoodCan someone explain?
>>1616892It's kind of meh, it's main problem is that it's balanced so that building buildings is mostly worthless and you get most of you stat increases from succeeding at the random events(which you can save scum). It doesn't matter that much except that you get a game over if you fuck it up, and the state of your kingdom does get brought up in the end slides.One thing is that you do want to try to get a magister as fast as you can so you can build mages towers and circles in all of your towns.
>>1616938Elves and women are not people, thus they cannot be gauged by the same alignments as the rest.
>>1616830Because in Ch2 the game punishes you for advancing the story too fast. Reset the chapter and do kingdom management stuff until the game tells you that trolls are attacking.
>>1616964Jubilost and Octavia
>>1616938Chaotic Good is literal insanity: the alignment. There is no logic when it comes to it, only delusions. I'm pretty sure she only burns her mother's house down if she turns CN tho.As for Jubilost, the idea is that he doesn't care about good and evil specifically, aside from doing whatever he can to help his people with the bleaching.
>>1616938Doesn't burning her mother's house only happen if she's Chaotic neutral?
>>1616971Eh. Whatever, I guess. I saved Tartuk and all that shit, I can skip Ekundayo. He has no plot relevance anyways.
>>1616986Yeah, he's only one of the better companions in the game.
>3 chaotic neutral companions>5 including changing Octavia/Regongar's alignment>6 if you count Nok Nok who isn't really evil at allwhy
>>1616991If I cared about gameplay value of characters I would not be playing Pathfinder, anon.
>>1616986I feel bad 4u missing on the most based and strongest dude. At least you still have goats.
>>1616998The theme of the game is dealing with chaos
>>1616979Jubi's ego is too big to truly be good. The reason he's not evil like Tartuccio is because his appraisal of himself is actually accurate most of the time, and he does try to do what's best for most people most of the time.For Octavia, CG is just generally the alignment of simping for evil and acting based on your fee-fees instead of deciding punishment and mercy based on a system of values.
>>1616998Not that many lawful people who have their shit together would need to run away and hide in the stolen lands finding refuge in an emerging kingdom. It takes special cases, like 9 Int ex-paladin Valerie and deal with a Devil Kanerah
>>1616986Did you miss Jubilost too? He should show up at the same time Ekun does.
>>1616998CN is flexible. I don't think it's fair to count both Reg and Octavia though, as you can only turn one of them in a playthrough.I'm more upset about the 3 (THREE) CG companions, all of which are the same kinds of retards.
Hey, Nyrissa romance becomes pretty cool if you just replace her portrait on something better looking.Decided to play with outcome event viewer and noticed that the answers making her most wet aren't the ones where you simp for her but the ones where you're trying to understand whether she still has her humanity.
>>1617028Pretty much.She also hates it if you simp for her and say 'ruin my kingdom'.
>>1617025Octavia and Linzi are obvious but what does Kalikke do that's full retard?
>>1617022Strangely, no. Jubi was there. I went to revisit the tower immediately once he showed up, but Ekun was nowhere to be found.
>>1617037Gets her sister killed. Then tries to do it again, in pretty much the exact same situation.
>>1617008do you have to shill this nigger whenever someone says they dont like him? fuck off retard, nobody cares
>>1617046lmao who hurt you?
Grenadier is so bullshit i kinda feel dirty for using it.It's like i could've annihilated everything with just Valerie and maybe Ekun as a support at most.
>>1617028>replace her portrait on something better lookingGot you covered, senpai.
>>1617046literally rent free, geez
>>1617008>strongest dudeDude? Sure. But THE STRONGEST COMPANION(S) would be goat twins.Kineticists are just cut from more superior cloth. >KIN-eticist>KIN-gmaker
>>1617134Kineticists are absolute trash until level 13 or so, except for fire based kinetic knights.
>>1617134yeah that's why I said he still had goats
>>1615473If you're willing to leave characters with a dead level, most have other classes that work with the statline.>ValerieShe's sort of set up for Stalwart Defender. Sorcerer/Eldritch Knight multi with gold dragon or fey bloodline. Bard ironically works well with her statline but probably clashes with her character background.>AmiriSacred Huntsmaster of Gorum with Mammoth pet; alternately you can try to leverage off her story-based Oversized Bastard Sword and use a class that synergizes well with single attack Vital Strikes - Freebooter Ranger, Tactical Leader Inquisitor, and Vanguard Slayer (or regular Slayer) all have stuff they can do for move actions which preclude a full attack, but allow Vital Strikes, and a dip in Two-Handed fighter also improves single attacks. Spawn Slayer also fits with her background.>JaethalI think her immunities actually make her more valuable in a defensive/tank role on the frontlines with sword-and-board, given the rest of the party members available (only Valerie really provides another tank unless you count Ekun's pet); she can also take Combat Expertise and Inquisitor Solo Tactics benefits a fighter type more than a caster. Some mix of Fighter, Slayer, Rogue, even Vivisectionist would all fit, and she can also build into Stalwart Defender.If you want to make her a damage dealer you could do Two-Handed Fighter with scythe and build for crits, I guess. Her statline also makes for a good Cleric, and you could even do a Negative Energy channeler as well.>Octavia and RegongarTheir background and builds are set-up for Arcane Trickster and Dragon Disciple pretty naturally.>EkunRogue or Slayer dip is fine, could also do Sacred Huntsmaster of Torag to continue pet progression.>Harrim, Jubilost, LinziMost of their kits are just too self-contained/specialized to really benefit from any dips, though their statlines could be reclassable in some cases (Jubilost has a pretty wizard-y statline and Linzi could be a sorcerer)
>>1617144>admits kinetic supremacy>still copesThe game is ON after getting wall, and that's level 12, btw.
>>1617175Urgathoa domains suck and evil summons are great, so Jaethal Herald caller works.Regongar with his Unga Bunga strength can transition to any Two hander build naturally. Take intimidation feats too.
>>1617175>Nok-NokHe's pretty perfectly set-up as two-weapon fighter Rogue by the time you get him and there isn't really many levels left to really radically change his focus, which pretty much leaves him to warrior-type dips - Fighter, Slayer, Barbarian, maybe Ranger for Favored Enemy - all provide flat damage bonuses which benefit two-weapon attackers with a high number of attacks. Vivisectionist is a cheesy dip to any build but fluff-wise fits Nok-Nok alright.
>>1616451>Comes with a bow that she is literally hardcoded to never use because Acid Splash for whatever god awful reason takes precedence over every other form of attackThis one will always boggle my mind. That people defend it makes me wonder how we survive as a species.
>>1617220You know you can change what weapon or spell characters auto attack with, right?
>>1617239Sweet summer child... Yes, you can. Except for Octavia. Try telling her not to use Acid Splash and report the results.
>>1617241I only play turn based but after I took off the acid splash, her left click attack was to use the bow. So it works on my machine.
>>1617252That's because AI is off in Turn Based... Are you trolling?
>>1617256>trollingThat's what you are doing.>Species: Troll>Class: Retard>Penalty: Can't survive as a species
>>1617266My secondhand embarrassment is off the charts right now. Have mercy.
>>1615433Pathfinder is a reaction to 4th edition D&D.
>>1615725One day you'll be able to enjoy things.
>>1616938>champion of the common peoplea pampered champagne socialist with a massive ego twice the size of the universe itself is hardly a champion of them at all. for all i know, he just likes dunking on the rich because it's just him indulging in self-loathing.
>>1615680Because it has 150 hours of content for a single playthrough, and a high amount of replayability due to build autism.
>>1616148Trolls are inherently evil demon spawn that eat children, and are nearly immortal. As far as I'm concerned Bart did nothing wrong.t. LG Paladin.
>>1617241right click on acid splash.
>>1617302>TB players need not replyAI is off in TB mode. Babbies please contain yourselves.
>>1616986Just make a merc Ranger, and give him like a 35 point buy.
>>1617307I don't play turn based.
>>1617318Then go ahead, right click acid splash and see if the AI ever uses her bow. It doesn't.You can make her a Magus and it will still auto cast acid splash regardless. If it's on her list, that bitch is using acid splash as far as the AI cares.
>>1617273>secondhand embarrassmentThat's something a gigantic faggot would type. Are you a gigantic faggot, by any chance?
>>1616981I mean Jubilost can say he doesn't care about good and evil all he wants but that doesn't change the fact that he's constantly doing good and fighting evil. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck
>>1617043I mean her sister tried to sacrifice literally every person Kalikke cared about. If my sister tried that I'd kill her myself
>>1615522Based and fact-pilled.
>>1617325Works for me.
>>1617386So that person was a lying bag of shit?
>>1615522>Pacifism is inherently an luxury saved for spoiled and sheltered or suicidal prophets and martyrs.Felt so good to call the animal cult out about their retarded philosophy, too bad they ignore you instead of attempting to answer.
>>1615137What did you expect in a cuckshit game.
>>1617059What the fuck is that orange shit in her hands? Also is that from Gwent (Witcher)?
>>1617400At the very least he was a boastful idiot.
Lawful Evil is pretty based.
>>1616662Meanwhile Fire Emblem is full of this shitWhy is FE not cucked?
>>1617539Because it's sometimes an eugenics simulator where you try to breed the strongest spawns and your 'romance' choice is about who is worthy of your super genes. And other times it's about studying which pairings, romance ,or not get the best bond bonuses
I actually liked her by the end of the game granted I played as a autistic Lawfag myself and romanced her. Though I get why she's so disliked, she is a bit of a retard and if you don't agree with her views she becomes pretty bitchy towards you.
>>1617561I was romancing her until she said she's had casual sexDisgustingRomanced the twins insteadAt least Kalikke is a virgn
>>1617574>At least Kalikke is a virgnIs she? Doesn't she say something about her sister sharing her lovers with her when she swap in after the first time you fuck Kanerah?
>>1617711iirc she doesn't mention lovers. kalikke is definitely an autismo
>>1617711she shares they share everything but doesn't mention loversShe's autistic so I doubt she has had sexKanerah also never had a lover, she just had sex with her patrons
>>1617716>>1617732How is Kalikke autistic?
>>1617782She writes poetry
>>1617490Ngl, I've beaten the game thrice and I've never finished it as anything other than LE.
>>1616392>few levels in DD for RegDD is a terrible class in general but specially bad for Reg who loses access to sense vitals and other things, for a measly benefit of 4 str
>>1617782>>1617783>She writes terrible poetryFtfy
>>1617220The AI is pretty shit in PF, that's the one thing Deadfire really has over it.
>>1616350I've never used it so I'm going to say yes
Does bowling infusion trigger Mastery's bonus? Whenever the wielder successfully performs a combat maneuver, Mastery also deals damage to its target as if it landed a hit.
>>1615137Terrible character. Tried a Paladin first and then realized I'd be stuck with her as the only sor/wiz full caster, restarted with my MC as a spellcaster just so I could bench her. Actually I hated almost every character. If I replayed I'd just have a full merc party. I never messed with mercs the first time around, but I heard they get huge, huge penalties if they're your advisors, is this still true? Do I have to mod it away?
>>1615137Give me a melee build that can breeze through the game WITHOUT multiclassing or minmaxing. Why? I just want my first playthrough to be fun, without having the enemies rape me and my party like on my first failed rum of the game
>>1618131it sounds like it should work, but gather power needs two free hands, so you'd either have to not use it or do some tedium involving weapon set switching
>>16183722 handed fighter
>>1615815>>1615697And her VA is a cutie in real life too
>>1618372You don't need multiclassing or minmaxing on normal difficulty. Just pick a martial and go hit things.
>>1618372slayer or vivi
>>1615725you're not wrongthe wrath thread had someone dropping info that was only released to staff and discord admins for testing
>>1617059That orange shit on her hands
>>1618482the devs used to lurk /vg/ and /v/ a shitton during the kikestarter
>>1617478Clown hands, of course. The replacement has to stay true to the game.
>search the supplies bag of the Wererat camp in Bokken's sidequest>two +20 stacks of cheese
>>1618613>Gordon proceeds to show those rats what's the ultimate way to make a grilled sandwich >Kimchi
>>1615157>CG>not acting like a modern day SJWThat would be NE. They are doing the thing they are doing for ultimately selfish reasons.
>>1615799I mean the lands you are trying to go to are under control by their local governments. There is literally nothing to do there until shit hits the fan.
>>1616737To add to other posters even though he is a kobold there is no kobold racial and he can't equip most items.
>>1616892Its cool because if you do it smartly you can get overpowered artisan items earlier that you would think. Makes unfair not so unfair.
>>1616641>>1618776I don't get it.
>>1617368Neutrals is not about doing 50% evil and 50% good. If you burn down an orphanage then donate to a charity you dont become CN you become CE. Jubilost does what he thinks is right without being a do gooder zealot like Octavia is.
>>1618794At one point Linzi steals money from your treasury.
lmao cuck game.
>>1617561they should toned down her divine beauty thing and increased her dumb blonde persona it was a lot funnier and fitting for her personality
>>1618795on the other hand, in DnD's (by extension, Pathfinder's) retarded alignment system, this is definately the case. you can mechanically be CN by doing an equal amount of good and evil while still maintaining the chaotic alignment.
>Varrask: Yo dude kill this bitch>ok!>murder bitch without questioning: no alignment change>actually learn the truth but still kill her: CHAOTIC EVIL+Hmm.
>>1619080He tells you she murdered his family. You're a dumbass if you take a half-orc vagrant at his word, but not necessarily an evil person.
So I am still waiting for the council to come back after the hunting lodge, and have pretty much taken care of anything that has popped up/visited most of the area, including the sidequests for the artisans or the first steps for companion quests.All I have left is the counter for Ancient Curse part 2, and I guess I could cross over to Varnhold if I apporach the border control they have. Is going to Varnhold what you do, or should I just skip days on the map until ancient curse 2?
>>1619223You could go visit Varn and get the Heart of Ira early, but that is it
>>1619305Well it's good to know then. Any idea when I should be getting companion quests for Regongar/Octavia, the alchemist and other odd ones?
>>1619313After you finish this chapter, there is a new wave.
>>1619322Makes sense that their bitching has gone suspiciously silent then. Thank you for the guidance, kind anon.
>>1619109>killing people without a good reason>not evilwelp
>>1618803Yeah it's a game for cucks.
>>1619404But you DO have a good reason: she's a murderer (as far as you know). The fact you got tricked into believing a lie doesn't make you evil, it just makes you dumb.
>>1619414Killing people without a proper reason do makes you evil.>b-but you get fooled There is no real evidence of her being a murderer. There is a line between being properly fooled (not evil) and not giving real fucks and killing people (evil).Is like believing that PF isn't a cuck game, I guess.
>>1619432It is a cuck game, you cuck Regongar.Most shitposters get it wrong though
>>1619432>There is a line between being properly fooled (not evil) and not giving real fucks and killing people (evil).So what, you wanted a WIS or INT check for alignment changes in that quest? It's not like you have a way to objectively place that line yourself.You may say there were no proofs she was a murderer, but you have the direct accusation of one of your underlings, added to the fact she's actively pursuing him. It's not like you have anymore to go than that for most of the people you kill, and it's not like you get shifted towards good for doing her in either. The game sees it as an unremarkable kill, which in practice it is.
>>1619443Did he end up killing himself afterwards? I am told cucking either of them makes them An Hero when you get to the Nyrissa trials.
>>1619489Yes, if you romance Regongar or Octavia alone then the other one dies in Nyrissa's funhouse
what's the point in making a sorcerer over a wizard? doesn't wizard have more spells? also intellect gives you more skill points per level
>>1619675a) The games have a far more limited spell list than the PnPb) There are almost no utility spells, it's all abot combatc) Even among the combat spells, you rarely have multiple standouts you want to use that are exclusive to wizard/sorcerer (aka, you can relegate it to cleric or secondary casters, especially the buffs).d) You level up pretty fast, especially after they overhauled XP gains in first game and Wrath will have you hit lv20 before the final chapter.Thus, the spell level progression of Wizard matters less, while the Number of casts and bloodline benefits of Sorcerer stand out more.However, If you go for arcane trickster or take a level dip/prestige that slows spell progression or a prestige in general (since wizard has less class features he cares about), wizard is the superior choice
>>1619675it's differentneither is necessarily better depending on the circumstances
>>1618314extremely low iq take
>>1619611I'd say that's pitiable, but then, talk about shit-tier sense of self. Good riddance.
>>1619675Sorcs get more casts per rest and some interesting Bloodline effects, at the price of versatility. It's different, not better or worse.
>>1619675If you're not familiar with the spell list spontaneous casters are a trap, if you are then you can simply pick all the good ones and enjoy the benefits of spontaneous metamagic and bloodline goodies.From a strict optimization pov sorc20 >>> wiz20 in the game, but I still have more fun preparing my spells for every encounter and party setup than just go in guns blazing. You have enough rods and spellslots to not really need metamagic anyways.
>>1619675Unless some PF broken min-maxing changes it, sorcerer is way better than wizard in video games.
>>1620003>PF broken min-maxingSadly all the crazy wizard shit was left out of Kingmaker.CotW brings some of it back (notably the god-king combo: exploiter plus pact archetypes), but nothing comparable to pnp.Like one of my fave characters was wizard (exploiter+pact) 8 / sorcerer (false priest) 1 / loremaster 1 / evangelist of Mahatallah 10. No way to replicate its opness in the videogame, not even close.
>>1620003not in kingmakersorc cant really afford to take some of the most OP but limited by HD spells like colorspray, sleep, etcwhile a wizard will be able tothey both have strengths and weaknesses
>halfway through Vordekai's Tomb>4/6ths of my party is on death's door>I didn't bring Tristain so all my healing is coming from scrolls and potions>accidentally brought Noknok along so I'm missing my overpowered goat wivesGuys I'm nervous.
>>1620088Vordekai is really fucking easy to beat, but you can't go back into the tomb once you leave so you pretty much have to do everything in there nowYou really should have brought Tristian though since he has story stuff in there
>>1619443>cuck gameThey are not married, you are using that word wrong. BG3 is a cuck's game, because it was made by an actual cuck.
>>1619702Can I do a Mystic theurge that can cast lvl 9 arcane spells and have some levels in arcane trickster for those sneak-spells?
>>1620161If you do not go all in on arcane trickster, sneak dice damage will be pitiful, and without surprise spells, you lose some hilarious applications.Also, getting 9 spell levels with cleric levels AND a rogue/vivi level? no.
>>1620161Just use sense vitals for sneak spells.Hellfire ray and disintegration already do moster damage even without sneak attack anyway.
AHHH WHEN DO I GET NOKNOK I JUST WANT MY RETARDED GOBLIN
>>1620250>Nok-Nok Base Int: 12>Valrie Base Int: 9Hmm.
>>1616938>champions for the common peopleOh yeah, this fellow really cares for the little guys, and their plight for sure
>>1620250Ch3Speaking of>Landor mentions something about throwing a party for my neighbors>say no because I don't trust him>a few weeks later when Johd comes to my throne room and tells me to cut open some peasants to figure out where owl bears come from I realise I've skipped that one Hunting Party quest that's the intro to Ch3Did I miss out on anything good lads?
>>1620269You can tell two uppity bitches that they suck, their country sucks, and their faces suck, so much so that they try to kill you for it, and you can murder them without drawbacks for it.So yes.
There's literally nothing offensive about Octavia other than her emotional manipulation bullshit where she tests you to see if you'd drop everything to be with her
>>1615137>tell troll scientist dude to fuck off and release or kill the troll>he does so>visit him again after the troll problem is done and he's packing his bags to leave for somewhere that he'll be allowed to do his shit >Bully him again >Octavia gaslights him so hard that he spergs out and tries to kill me
>>1620332You could have had a shop guy inside your throne room instead.>#ThankYouBraveOctavia
Is SS with Falcata better than Slayer???
>>1620161>Mystic theurge>Mystic theurge blasterbruhthe fuck are you doing
>>1617280No it isn't, it's a reaction to getting kicked off of handling Dragon Magazine.
>>1620354Yes but due to the way Magus and especially SS work falcata is worse than any 18-20/x2 weapon.
>started experimenting with metamagic after a few runs of ditching it off and relying solely on the metamagic rods>it literally allows you to add your entire arsenal to all sorcerer levels while making it stronger so even if you don't have the casts of certain level you can use the powered up versions from later levels>mfw all the Call of the Wild stuff like Magical Lineage shenanigans turning Magic Missile into a trip tool while still using first level slots
>>1620045Sorc suffers a bit on lower levels but once you're out of chapter 1 he just BTFOs anything but arcane trickster, and even arcane trickster is honestly a boring overkill compared to them.
>>1620003The only time that's been the case is IWD2 and that's because IWD2 didn't give you the spells/level you were supposed to get and wouldn't give you scrolls on time. Being ahead of a sorc on spell level for 8 out of 20 levels or being able to match their progression with PrCs that require a single level sacrifice but get you major benefits is way better than spontaneous casting.
>>1620332>troll scientist dudeI hope you bought the bag of holding from him before you killed him. >>1620363Playing on hard, not challenging. Meaning - I can build pretty much everything I want. Worst case scenario - I'll just become a greasy guy that stinks up the whole place, you know, like an average poster on /a/.
>>1620385>Being ahead of a sorc on spell level for 8 out of 20 levelsDoesn't mean much when you only have like 2 slots to cast them.I'd rather get those spells on a sorc, plus better passive bonuses from bloodlines, plus some spells wizard cannot get, plus a pet.
>>1615148>Even Tristian having to pretend he is the nicest person to ever walk the human globe tells you to kill thoseWrong, Tristian throws a shitfit if you try to kill kobolds and shit, but as the failure as a human being he is, he also throws a shitfit if you do not try to kill human bandits.
>>1620332>>1620348Based Pathfinder dabbing of brainless waifufaggots by literally softlocking them out of content.
>>1620398The best waifu in the game adds more content, though.
>>1620372yep it's pretty fun to have sorta 5e castingyou can do it on wizards too but only 1/rest using the recover any spell thing
>>1620399Goatfuckers need not apply.
>>1620399>best waifuGoat shaggers assemble!!!
>>1620398When you're roleplaying sometimes it's necessary to lose content for a better experience with your story
>>1620354If you have Lion Claw from DLC, yes, somewhat.Though Slayer will always have better bab and consistent damage with study target and sneaks.
>>1620408It's a shame people forget about the "roleplaying" part of RPGs so often nowadays.
>>1620408>you should let yourself be cucked out of items and experienceWhy?>because roleplaying!!!
>>1620437Hey, if I want to kill Reg, Octavia, Ekun and Jaethal in my run, I will do it, even if I lose companions/quests.
>>1620408I try to give the benefit of assuming people aren't roleplaying a massive faggot, is all.
>>1620456There is literally nothing linking those characters...
>>1620479There is. Me doing quests and thinking 'they should die'.What more do you really need?
>>1620437>pathfinder fan is a powergaming niggerthe jokes really write themselves
>>1620490>What more do you really need?I would say some kind of internal logic, but it sounds like you're roleplaying a run-of-the-mill Chaotic Good hero. Keep up the good work, senpai.
>>1620497Oh, I definitely have my own logic.But each one annoys me for different reasons.What, did you expect a universal 'kill all evil or all chaotic' excuse? Or a more /v/ like approach of 'kill all gays/niggers'? I leave that for /pol/ baiters.
>>1617144>Kineticists are absolute trash until level 13 or soI got spell 'Slick' (Kineticist's version of grease) at level 4, but unlike grease - it doesn't overstay it's welcome. Never had an easier time.
I never bothered with metamagic stuffShould I? I only use Octavia
>>1620519Sure, fill up magic slots with attack spells or CC you want to use. There are a couple spell levels that are almost empty of good shit.
>>1620519there are 3-use per day rods that can cover things metamagics like Empower and Maximise, which is what you would want for octavia anyway. as the other anon said the use of getting the feat is to fill the spellbook when you don't really like those level of spells.Heighten magic is the only metamagic that doesn't have a rod, I think, and is used to make the DCs of spells higher (like making grease's chance to slip higher).
>>1620519Not on wizards. But on sorcerers you literally have no better way of using your feats. Quite honestly on a sage sorcerer metamagic is better than focus/greater focus.
>>1620519Heighten spell is worth it cause it raises save DC and you can use holy trinity of CC that is barp cloud, grease and glitterdust (that isn't that good but work against things immune to all status effects) at your highest level.
>>1615137Why do these posts always come from basement dwelling fattys who got bullied, run away from every kind of conflict and never served?
Ancient Curse part 2 just finished, but there sure doesn't seem to be anything else going on. Should I just pass days on the regent table until shit pops up?
>>1620589If you finished that your next step is to develop your kingdom, explore the map and do side quests until the next big thing happens. Exploration is super important and saves time later if you arent using guides like a fgt
>>1620589That's how it goes. After each chapter you get a progressively longer period of downtime.
>>1620589Yep. That or explore the world map for areas you haven't cleared yet.
>>1620437>min maxing and metagaming in a single player RPG that can be completed on the highest difficulty setting with meme builds
>>1620596>>1620597>>1620598Have actually explored everything that I can, I think, since I can't cross the river or go to Varnhold areas and I wanna save the deep dive dungeon for when I have Nok-Nok.At least it's good to know the gaps in activity are to be expected then.
>>1620589Do kingdom stuff or explore. You shouldn’t pass days unless you have nothing else to do
>>1620606Yeah these self-proclaimed "hardcore" RPG players a truly pathetic. The only hard part of these games is learn the backward rules/systems and most of these faggots just copy the OP builds anyways.
>>1620504>Slick DC 17>Grease DC 14Anyone knows if DC of slick is hard-set or does it scale from something?Also, there seem to be some interesting janky stuff going on when slick and grease are cast at the same spot.
>spam grease and web everywhere >now my party is stuck in it after the fight ended
>>1620678That'll show you to spill your load where you work
>>1620678>accidentally extend spell my wall of blades>all my dispel magic's fail>have to sit there for like 12 minutes waiting for it to stop blocking the way forward
>>1620673Like 90% of spells use the same formula of 10 + casting stat modifier + spell level. Think that's it.
>>1620678>>1620685I thought they added a dismiss spell function in some patch. Are you playing an old version or am I getting confused with a omd?
>>1620701That's a mod. I don't think they intend to make that a legit function even in WoTR.
>>1620701That's from CotW, isn't it?
>>1620706>I don't think they intend to make that a legit function even in WoTR.But why? It's rule legal in pnp, and a pain in the ass to play without.
>>1620730Because fuck you, that's why. This is also the reason why Spontaneous casters can't replace spells on level ups.
>>1616981Chaotic Good is peak delusion. They're so utterly convinced they're in the right that they make Lawful Good types look reasonable.
>only reasonable advisor alternative to backstabber priest boy is a literal satanic cultist ladyWelp, time to get busy with sacrifices.
>>1620878this is why I choose surtova's envoy instead
>>1620878>>1620945Tell me more, friends.Didn't Surtova fuck off at some point, no?
>>1621032She fucks off if you don't side with Surtova, I assume Kassil does as well if you don't side with the Aldori
>>1620364The Pathfinder periodical, yes. The Role Playing Game, no.
>>1620364>No it isn't, it's a reaction to getting kicked off of handling Dragon Magazine.What for?
>random encounter>it's 6 ancient water elementals>Esc>Unity Mod Manager>Bag of Tricks>Enemy Settings>Kill AllSorry, I don't fight unfair encounters.
>>1621548>not having non-scripted random encounters turned off
>>1621548What a shitstain, the random encounters early in the game are literally the only challenge the game gives you and you throw it away.
To be fair you need a very high IQ to appreciate the characters in Kingmaker
>>1620029Wait I tried doing the Pact and Exploiter combo in CotW. It didnt seem to work. Mind letting me know how you did it?
>>1621879What didn't work for you? I went shadow/prophecy and it worked perfectly.
>>1621897Im gonna be pea brained here and say I dont know how to select both exploiter and pact wizard at level 1.
>>1620029Wait how the hell do you select both exploiter and pact wizard?
>>1621905>>1621918Well apparently you need favoured class mod too, cotw alone isn't enough.Result is pic related.
>>1621933That explains it. Im assuming this one is it. https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/151
Am I missing something with Sword Saint. I finished the Troll stuff but at this point it seems really underwhelming. Is it one of those classes that gets better later or should I just respec now?
>>1621936Yeah it's that one.
>be level 5 noob>become a baron and speak to the tiefling>she wants me to go help her alone>yeah fine>go east along the big road>random encounter!>level 16 elder water elemental
>>1621956>defenseCanny defense, Shield, mirror image, bracers make you hard to kill>offenseextra attack with palm of fatigue (or other touch spells), arcana pool and letting you maximize weapon damage, free weapon focus feat early on, critical perfection at lv 9 makes confirming criticals a breeze. So any weapon with expanded critical range and improved critical feat leads to critical damage very often>other useful featuresBoost to initiative at lv 7, can qualify for fighter feats, can do extra attack of opportunities without taking combat reflexes (and it stacks)So when you have outflank, seize the moment and improved critical, you should be delivering an orgy of crits and AoOs while also being very hard to kill
>>1621978>she wants me to go help her aloneGo there with a full party, she'll just make them go away when you arrive.Also the water elementals are bitches, bring Linzi and use fascinate.
Noob here, can anyone suggest fun builds for turn-based mode? Been restarting over and over and I just want to be a badass warrior king with twin tiefling fucksluts already!
>>1621978You can go there with the rest of your partyI think you do have to go to Nyrissa's sexy time at the Verdant chambers alone unless you want to waste days changing your party though
>>1622003any full bab classthey all average out the same
>>1622003>badass warrior king with twin tiefling fuckslutsgreatsword barbarian named conan!
Ditched one party member in favor of shape-shifting druid mercenary with a pet. >Roided carry weight>Pet is a fucking monster>Shifted druid isn't a pushover either>Level penalty negligible after getting first wild shape (before wild shape it's kind of so-so)I heard scaled fist monk(e) is busted as well, but never tried. What else have you been keeping from me, eh?
I want to try an Eldritch Knight, is it viable on challenging? I will be using CotW so it will be either an Arcanist or Exploiter Wizard, leaning on Arcanist because the spell preparing method seems cool. Is Dex-based a must or can I go with Str?
>>1617241>Sweet summer childNoose yourself>Playing with AI onThen rise three days later and noose yourself again
>>1617574>until she said she's had casual sexIt's not like she was out there pulling Octavia antics, there was one guy she liked enough but the relationship never went anywhere
>>1622431Shieldbash Slayers and Bowling Kineticists are fun
>>1615137>get to the final boss>get my ass kicked enough times to realize I need to go back and buy alot more scrolls>have to do the whole part over again>missed goat girl romance flags somehow>realize I'm absolutely crippled without linzi and probably need to hire a merc as wellwhy live
>>1622680>Get to Pitax>It's 3AM and I'm barely functional, but I can't sleep so I keep playing>Clear out the palace>One of my quests fail>Realise I skipped half of the build-up because I didn't know Pitax was a multi-zone area>Reload and leave it all for the next dayWasn't looking forward to fighting the tile fetishist again, but most of the difficulty came from me being on autopilot desuWorst part about the latter half of the game is how fucking shit it runs
>>1622686Literally me. The game just locks you into sieging the palace before you can even realize that you can walk around Pitax.I just left it be though, as another thing to look forward to on a replay.
>>1622678>Shieldbash Slayerswhat's so special about that?
>>1622725It looks cool and cannot hold all those sneak dice
Is there any mods to shove Tartuk into your party earlier? I kinda miss the little bugger.
Kimo should have been a party member. Unironically retarded elves are rare.
>tfw completing Jaethal's questlineWell, I said there was only one way Linzi was getting that advisor seat.
>>1616392> few levels in DD for RegHow did this stupid meme ever take off? 4 strength is not remotely worth what you lose in magus class features.
>>1620088>I didn't bring both clerics to the fight with a lich and his undead armyAnon I.. Are you brain damaged or something? The only reason not to bring Tristian is if you're an evil caster character.
>>1622813>4 strengthHe's perma benched for me. That 4 strength works great for an advisor.
>>1622837>making Reg your advisor over Amiri or Kesten
>>1622837Fair point. Forgot that relies strictly on stats.A lot of people seem to be under the impression that it's a good choice for anything else though, which is just nonsense.
>>16228132 reasons.a)Early in the game, you barely hit 17/18 at the very end, so rather than class features you barely utilize or not at all, like at level 19 or so, you got stat boosts to hit moreb) They multiclass Reg further, by going 2 hander or so. You get stat boosts and 8 levels of THF with a reach weapon and intimidating feats, and he just attacks from behind, not bothering with spell combat.There is also the laziness factor that they do not want to micromanage a magus, arcane/eldritch pool and move actions/spell combat, so they just take the extra strength and keep whacking while he stays alive with shield/mirror image
>>1622849>he just attacks from behind, not bothering with spell combatBoth Amiri and Jaethal do this better though
>>1622842>not having a magicfag with no morals as your military advisorNever gonna make it, senpai.
>>1622849Even the earlier class features of magus make reason a stupid. Even improperly utilizing them is better than a measly 4 strength.Reason b only works by respecing him completely to remove his magus levels, otherwise he's just doing what other characters would do better.
>>1622862Fast-track to a rebelling military, if the game had any sense. Both Amiri and Kesten understand the rank-and-file, Reg just sees them as bodies to throw into the blender.
>>1622872Kesten is the one who always just throws bodies at problems though.
>>1622874He makes the guard do what you pay them to do, but also suggests effective measures to keep them happy and loyal.
>>1622874>doubles the guard in your path
>>1622849wait you can be a 2hander magus? i thought you needed 1 hand free for spell combat?t. noob
>>1622908>not bothering with spell combatBecause he needs a hand free.
So...Kresten and Jhod are fucking behind scenes aren't they.
>>1622947>KrestenNo, Kanerah rapes Kesten every time he's off duty.
>>1622953This, but Kanerah rapes the Baron(ess) every single day.
>>1622953>>1622958This, but Regongar rapes everyone while Octavia whips him and gives sermons about being Chaotic Good.
>>1622994this except baron pumps and dumps octavia after teaching her a lesson in monogamy, leading regongar to immolate himself in a field somewhere
>>1623013This, however the Baroness redeems Reg by fucking his brains out, leading to Octavia conjuring up a magical noose for herself.
>>1622747>implying he could bear to be further than running range from his tree lover
Do you need to kill Nyrissa if you want to ally with the fireball lad in the end?
>>1623059>trying to be friends with the JokerThis cannot possibly go wrong
>>1623062Just a prank, bro.
how do i make a non-charisma class main character that isn't gimped by putting a bunch of points into charisma? you can't have your companions with you everywhere and i hate failing speech checks
>>1623115There's skill focus & some other feats.
>>1623115use bag of tricks
>>1623120Why even play the game then?
>>1623119if i make a half elf fighter with persuasion chosen skill and persuasive feat will that be enough? how much charisma do i "need" for difficult checks do you think?>>1623120noob here, don't know what that is sadly
>>1623128>hate faililng speech checkswhat's the difference between savescumming and using it?>>1623129a mod with a variety of cheats and stuff you can turn on and off at your leisure, one being "pass dice rolls"
>>1623115There are less than 5 forced solo persuasion checks and you either have a different way to resolve situation (alignment check) or has pitiful rewards. Everything else is cleared by companions.You lose more valuable shit by not having good trickery on your own, really
>>1623136No difference. That's why feats like persuasion focus exist.
>>1623142>There are less than 5 forced solo persuasion checks and you either have a different way to resolve situation (alignment check) or has pitiful rewards. Everything else is cleared by companions.so few? oh well then i guess it won't matter, i'll have Linzi do the talking
>>1623128Because it's a singleplayer game, and the player can play however they want.If they want to be an axe slinging barbarian who can tongue-waggle his way through the Rushlight with Bag of Tricks, then so what?Maybe they'll play an incompetent fuck-up with his foot in his mouth another time, or maybe they won't. It's a singleplayer game.
>>1623165>it's a singleplayer gameI don't get this argument. Isn't it important to stay honest with yourself? I'd understand if this was impossible within the game's rules and it was limiting roleplaying options or such, but you can achieve the same thing legit. And it'd be more satisfying because you're playing something unique, rather than a cheat that disregards core mechanics. Games only function when they're supported by rules. Most kids learn this when they enable god mode in shooters and get bored 5 minutes later. RPGs are no different. Victories are hollow if defeat isn't even a possibility.
>>1623198>Isn't it important to stay honest with yourself?What if being honest with themself is admitting that they don't like a certian aspect of a game they otherwise enjoy, and would prefer to circumvent it with a mod?People pitching a fit over this confuse me, I don't understand why you care how someone else gains enjoyment in a game that has no effect on you besides the fact that you don't like that they're not playing how you want them to. I stopped caring about people cheating in singleplayer games a long, long time ago.This is only ever a problem when someone goes on to talk about something like encounter balance when only able to speak from a standpoint wherein they've cheated, but this is often a minority.
>>1623198>it'd be more satisfying because you're playing something unique, rather than a cheat that disregards core mechanicsI disagree. I let some checks fail, but for the most part I savescummed my first time through and all I felt was frustration because of how many times I had to load, god forbid if it was multiple checks in a row. there was virtually zero chance I'd give up the paltry exp succeeding rewards, even if it's drops in an ocean.I eventually installed bag of tricks when I saw how much exp the blakemoor pirates give you.
1st time playing the game. I've some experience with the tabletop game but next to none with CRPGs.I want a tanky MC that can hit good with an okay charisma stat for persuasion.Currently thinking about:Paladin+Gud saves+Smite likely works on most bosses+Lay on hands, auras, heavy armor-Is boring-Forced LGPrimalist Bloodrager+Is cool as hell+Arcane is fucking nuts, love me some self-buffs on rage+Rage powers are nuts too+Big damage numbers and defensive stats thanks to self buffs-Dependent on rage, bound to run out of juice-Hails from a mod, might be buggy-Characters auto-move which cucks me out of charging a lot. Will fuck with pouncing too.-Can't seem to use claw attacks from lesser beast totem in the same round as a greatsword, unlike tabletop. That's what google is telling me anyway. Also fucks with pounce.Both could do the cornugon smash/intimidating prowess/dreadful carnage/hurtful meme, which is pretty neat.Spare any advice?
>>1623285>Spare any advice?Whatever you build, remember, real chads never dip.
>>1623313The only dip which is fair is kineticist into monk. It goes with the whole aesthesic, desu.
>try to hit on valerie as a female>she gets visibly disgusted and tells you to fuck off and never compliment her again Pretty based.
>>1623339She just tells you that if she got intimate, it would be with a man.No need to exaggerate.
>>1620088>accidentally brought Noknokand hes soloing the entire dungeon right? you did give him those kukris right? you didn't sell them right?
>>1623339Are you the same one that goes around saying Tristian calls Regongar "disgusting" for trying to fuck him when nothing of the sort actually takes place?
>>1623339I like when Regongar tries to hit on Tristian and Tristian calls him disgusting
>>1623413Cheeky little bastard.
>>1623410It does though, it’s camp dialogue
>>1623285If you have CoW you can go antipaladin, or with bag of tricks you can just ignore alignment restrictions.
>>1623438The words disgusting never comes into play, and he speaks of Regongar as a person with deviant tendencies altogether because he is a garbage individual, not because Tristian flips out at gaylord moves on him.
>>1623446https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b84_SVGXN4I&t=2620sNo, he says disgusting
>>1623461He doesn't call Reg disgusting though.
>>1622842He's actually great as a general. Much better than magic hating Amiri and the swordlord spy.
>>1623553>He's actually great as a general.He's the only good general.
>>1623553Amiri's a perfectly sensible general, and magic is a meme
>>1623599Your existence is a meme, martialfag.
>>1623599>magic is a memeDo a run without magical items, I dare you.
>>1623606give me a party composition and i'll do it
>>1623285Heads up that everything in this game is Chaotic (((Neutral))) so you're gonna be cucked out of Smite Evil damage.
>>1623599>female not-gatsu: the feminist barbarian>not a living meme
Is there any practical reason to go Magus over Sword Saint or Eldritch Scion?
>>1623630A living meme I want to BREED
>>1623625Whatever you want, as long as you're not using any spells, magic items, (sp) or (su) abilities.Basically fighter, barbarian, no spell rogue and ranger, slayer.Which would mean Amiri, Valerie, Nok Nok, plus your mc and a couple mercs.
Did Vordekai do anything wrong?
>>1623646this is just me looking at the classes at character creation, but magus seems to be like wizard, in that you can copy scrolls for spells. it can also replenish its spells using arcane pool. I have no idea how this actually plays out
>>1623665I mean, disappearing a whole town of people for their souls is pretty evil.But the reasoning behind doing so is perfectly valid and understandable.It's the agreeable kind of evil where you really can't blame the guy.
>>1623671Sword Saint can learn spells from scrolls too. I think the only feature only available to the standard Magus is the spell recall. What I want to know is what (if anything) am I missing here, because that seems really underwhelming.
>>1623646More casting power than Sword Saint and wider spell selection than ES.But generally it's the worst out of both worlds.
>>1623665I mean, not having a contingency in case some fuckboy invokes his goddess and stuns you long enough to have your eye yoinked seems like a wrong move
>>1623665He was literally too cocky. What he did to Varn was perfectly justified from his position, but his delusions of grandeur got into his head and allowed him to get wrecked.
So everyone would have waifued Tristian if he were a girl, right?
>>1623711>still a traitorous piece of shit>also a moralfagNah.
>>1623711A girl following lesbian Allah is a bit of a turn-off, but I'd probably be able to put up with it for her otherwise.
>>1623599>your setting has the equivalent of heavy artillery, biological weapon, nukes, spy satellites, anti-air systems, planes and tanks>every other fucking nation uses them>you proclaim them a "meme"
>>1623735>Not taking that angel on one of Sarenrae's altars and making her question her own godly sexuality
>>1623741While your school of wizards are busy reading spells out of their books, my division of gnomes are peppering them with repeating crossbows.
In Chapter 5 right now. Can I put Tristian on the backburner while I do the Armag main quest? I'm talking the entire Armag quest and not just the war with the swordlords. He's not in my main party so it's not like I need him asap and I'm playing a good character so I'm not gonna be killing him for his magical eye thing.
>>1623748Yeah, the suggested order is to go and do Armag ASAP
>>1623747Good thing you can have both. Having magic objectively enhances your army's power. Oh and your gnomes will be on super soldier drugs.
>>1623753Not him, but Amiri's perfectly fine with the soldiers using drugs, and actually thinks banning them entirely is dumb
>>1623748doing the war first is recommended to save amiri and I think as long as your counselor spot is fine you can leave him until after the tomb
>>1623765>I think as long as your counselor spot is fine>passed on the old lady because Surtova is evil>passed on the second old lady because a Lamashtu Cultist is also evilUhhhhhhhhh about that...
>>1623773>>passed on the old lady because Surtova is evilYou played yourself.
>>1623773>>passed on the old lady because Surtova is evilYou must be pretty evil yourself to let such prejudice cloud your judgement.
>>1623776Considering I picked Lander because I didn't want to chose between the Aldori and the Surtova, I'd say yes. I hired a bored useless neet noble that suggested nothing but lolrandom evil acts.
>>1623784>I picked LanderEvery fucking time
>>1623784>picked the actual, literal whomy first character was neutral and even I didn't do that
>>1623765You don't need to do the war first to save Amiri or her gf, that was patched out a long time ago. What happens if you go after Tristian first is that Jamandi gets barb'd and won't ally with you.
>>1623789good to know
>>1623784Based CE Baron.
>>1623794Also in case you leave the war for last, whatshisface the adopted son of Jamandi dies if anyone actually cares or uses him
>>1623711Most likely. He's got lots of issues (he's a weakling and Sarenrae a shit), but he's likeable and definitely better than the other options.
>>1623762>hurr fucking durr, magic bad, magic for weaklings>unless it helps me instead of making me superfluous, in which case magic good, magic for me
>>1623814>magic bad, magic for weaklingsI don't remember her ever saying this. She recommends Swordlord generals over magic users because: A) A martial better understands the needs of a martial, and B) Regulars are going to trust another martial over a magic user
>>1623814More like>your soldiers are adults, bruh if they want to jam magic juice into their veins to get swole, then let em
>>1623678magus has spell recall over eldritch scion which is actually a lot of castsover ss it has expanded spell selection, which lets him get very good spells such as sense vitals and echolocaiton, which ss doesnt
>>1623711swap Octavia and Regongar's genders and I will smash that half Orc pussy
>>1623877Oh god. How unpopular would Octavia (male) be?
>>1622003If you specifically want to play turn based, then consider trying a magus or inquisitor as their class mechanics function much better in turn based than RTWP.
>>1623890>whiny (moral)fag with disco hair and extreme mother issuesincredibly
>>1623897Somehow that sounds gayer than Reg.
>>1623840desu the steroids are the only thing I'm iffy on, just because Reg is fine taking it doesn't mean some joe-shmo conscript could endure any side effects.luckily there's no drawback, but I still refused that the first time I got the event
>>1615137ive barely just started and i was wonderingis it important to keep characters im not using in my team decked out with decent gear and leveled up?sometimes in games like these they will surprise force you to use a specific character and then its naked and all kinds of fucked
>>1623974Not really, there are a few instances where party members leave or may have to do shit either solo or you have to take them for companion related quests so be prepared for that
>>1623974not really, but you quickly get flooded with magic items that you'll easily be able to keep basic stuff on everyone
>>1617175There is no mammoth pet.
>>1623974It's a good idea to keep spare stat boosting items on companions that you don't take in your active party but act as advisors because each advisor role is associated with a stat and that stat's modifier is added to their kingdom event rolls.
>>1623735>lesbian AllahLiterally the worst part of Nu-finder. Everyone at Paizo is a greasy male feminist inserting his fetishes into everything.
>>1624103Merciful Owlcat spares us, remaining within the bare minimum pozzo quota for gay characters while delivering to chadfinders of all tastes
I chose Chaotic Neutral Half Orc Slayer as my first playthrough, how bad did I fuck up?And is it normal to hate everyone except dwarfpriest, Johd and Valerie(pure)?
>>1624198>SlayerYou choose one of the strongest classes in the game
>>1623848Oh, I didn't realize Sword Saint has a different spell list. Thanks, anon, this really evens them out. Think I'll go with regular Magus, since my first character was a Sorc and I want something more different.
Spellcasters and spell swords feel so weak early on
>>1624198Slayer is a good class. It won't feel very mc-like to be just a beatstick, but at least you'll be good at it.
>>1624198You'll probably grow to hate Jhod later if you appoint him as an advisor.Also you've only just met not even half of your potential companions. Everybody loves Jubilost.
>>1622813The Fextralife build video specifically mentions building him as a dragon disciple.
>>1624287>Fextralife that should tell you everything>>1624221all magi have different spell listbut they have a class ability to let them pick 6 spells from wizard list, which sword saint loses
>>1623285>finish loading up on mods after a hard day of working>customize me portrait and start slapping a bloodrager together>CoW didn't add Arcane as a bloodlineI am sad now.
>>1624271>You'll probably grow to hate Jhod later if you appoint him as an advisor.Eh why? He's alright if you are lawful.
>>1624304If you don't worship Erastil, he considers you subhuman
>>1624307What are you talking about, he never talks about his own faith. Hell he even declines the offer to erect a temple to Erastil when you have to pick your country's main religious allegiance.
>>1624321I'm partly shitpostingHe's honestly just not quite as tolerant of the local religions as Harrim is, though for some reason Harrim flips and starts getting grumpy around Rank 7-9 Divinity if you're encouraging worship of anyone that isn't Groetus.
>>1624334>He's honestly just not quite as tolerant of the local religionsThe local religions consist of 50 different shades of ritual sacrifices and baby-eating. I'd say Jhod has a point.
>>1624337Not all of them are inherently bad, there are a lot of weaker neutral gods as well as the typical devil worship>I'd say Jhod has a pointAnd then you remember his entire character is not jumping to conclusions because of a mistake he made in the past.
>>1624291>>1624294Yes, I was commenting on its origins.
>>1624307Behead those who insult Erastil - Jihadi Jhod.
Nok Nok should've been an Espionage advisor.
>>1624334>He's honestly just not quite as tolerant of the local religionsWhy would you want him to be? You're ruling a kingdom, bitch. Religious unity is paramount, marginal cults are dangerous.Freedom of religion is hardly worth it irl, nevermind in a world where gods meddle constantly through their clergy.You want to have people pushing respectable ideologies willing to submit to your authority, not insane cults worshiping daemons and eldritch abominations.
>>1624378Again, not all of the religions are evil. And the ones that are will make themselves known one way or another.
>>1624345>his entire character is not jumping to conclusionsI mean, yeah, but there's a difference between bashing some guy's head in because you thought you had a divine revelation and telling a cult of shady mutes to pack up and leave.
>>1624271The only thing Jhod is wrong about is removing the shrines that turn out to be monster wards
>>1624042Mastodon, close enough
>>1624389>not all of the religions are evilMissing the point. A religion can damn well be good and still harmful.The endgame animal pacifists for example are cancer incarnate, but by every measurement they're good aligned. Same goes for lesbian allah's teachings, or Milani's cult of CG terrorists.>>1624400On the other hand if you keep them you find out they're powered by human sacrifice, so you're forced to remove them anyway.
>>1624400He was also stubbornly wrong about the Bloom
>>1624485He admits he was wrong after the autopsy
>>1624490Vivisection. It only turns into an autposy if you don't offset or overrule his stubborn misdiagnosis
What's a fun class for when I get around to playing this, and what dlcs are worth while?>>1616311I thought he tried to fight you for her affection and either>You agree to the fight, she calls you both retards and drops you both >Tell him "fuck off retard" and she picks you over him and he leaves the party like a pussy, taking whatever gear he has
>>1624416Oh yeah, even I forgot about those.
>>1624511Any of the casters. The specifics depend on your tastes, but they all have a purpose.Wildcards is the one good DLC and it's really damn good.
>>1623789How do you save Amiri, then? I went after Tristian first and her gf ended up dead. Do you have to stop her from going by herself?
>>1624550Just do all the Armag stuff first
>>1624550I've never had Nilak die going to Armag after Tristian, I think you just need to not fuck up the barbarian camp sequence with Amiri by running into the defaced cunt early.
>>1624574Going for Armag first simply lets you free him from the sword, iirc
>>1624511He can also drop the whole thing, and give you his blessings with Aerie while staying in the party if you got far enough into her romance before his could progress much
>>1624616To save Armag you just have to not take too long, I think you have like 2 months after the battle
>>1624616Those are different conditions. For Tristian/Amiri and the barbarian army, the game checks which quest you pursue first. If it's Amiri first you miss a scene with the salad and it ends Tristian's romance. If it's Tristian first Jamandi gets a serving of big barbarian cock and you can't side with her in the ending slide war. For Armag in the tomb, the game just keeps track of the number of days spent before reaching him, which determines if you can reason with him or not. In this case, it's not related to the order in which you do the quests, just total time.
>>1624674Can you negotiate a treaty between the Aldoris + Surtovas if you go after Tristian first?
>>1624693Yes, you just need to have Neutral in your alignment.
>>1624304>not Nok-NokYou disgust me.
>>1620399He said best waifu not waifus. He is clearly a saladchad.
>>1620003>>1620045>>1620385>sorcerer is way better than wizard in video games..Is this bait?How would you ever arrive at this conclusion when even in 5E that dumps nearly all of the Metamagic on them they still play second fiddle to an Evoker/Thaumaturg?
My next run shall be a cleric pretending to be a wizard to disguise his cultist ways. He shall use a sling staff and adamantly present it as a casting staff, thus, proof of his wizardry.
>>1621548>Any elementals in any quantity being of ANY challenge in late gameJust admit to not being good at the game.
>>1622630Go cha sorc + 2 scaled fist + EK and become immune to attacks.
>>1623747>One mage casts protection from arrows>The whole gang is now completely immune to your gnomes
>>1624795Based Chaos bro.
>>1623120LOL WHAT A KEK
>>1624824You still have to read off the spell before the manlet pack fills you with three dozen bolts
>>1624836>Duration 1 hour/level or until dischargedYou... do buff up before fighting, right?
>>1624853>implying you will know at all times where a pack of manlets are
>>1624836It lasts forever though. Why would they walk around the warzone without a long ass duration spell up at all times?
>>1624869Assuming you've got wizards on rotation keeping it up round the clock, communal protection from arrows doesn't also block bombs (which gnomes are no doubt packing due to being gnomes)
>>1624861yeah, that's what divination spells are for
>>1624824>Enchants the repeating crossbows to +1
>>1624923This is a magic vs technology exercise, anon. No enchanting the technology allowed.
>>1624923That's magic though. Let me quote the post that started it all.>magic is a meme
>>1624929>>1624930>>1624933>https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/master-craftsman/No need for magic, just Craft (Weapons) skill checks.
>leveling up my general rank>have to chose between warriors, mages and tinkerers from an antimagic kingdomAre the tinkerers the worst choice? I wrote them off immediately because I figure they would have zero experience with fighting against magic
>>1624937The items will still be magical though. Which would make them a "meme".
>>1616392>dragon disciplelel no
>>1622849>not wanting to micromanage a magusThen get someone else. Magi are micro, even in fucking tabletop
>>1624937>You can create magic items using these featsA magic item is still magic, no amount of cope will change this.
>>1624937To be fair everything that is said about magic only applies to mages with some wisdom. Most mages statdump wisdom and think they are invincible which makes them killable with technology.
>>1624953oh no no no minmaxbros
>mandragora swarmsthese things are fucking horseshit, holy fuck
>>1624953>Most mages statdump wisdomFuck no they don't. You don't dump wis unless you're playing on 15 points statbuy, failing will saves is just too harmful to risk it even with wizard will saves.
>>1624796Why in the fuck are basic elementals so weak? Why can a giant of earth and stone, weighing potentially thousands if not tens of thousands of pounds be taken down by a handful of skilled swordsmen. Don't even need magic equipment.
>>1624809>become immune to attacksNot really...but now you can instantly tell when an enemy rolled a 20!
>>1624982They are, because owlcat adapted them but not the typical ways to defend against them.No swarm clasp, no flight, no ice/fiery body for ability score damage immunity, no nothing.And they've a shitload of hp to boot, so you either slug it out with them, eating their ability damage, or you go nova with your casters (for a fucking mob, humiliating).
I am at that gap between Season of Bloom and Varnhold Vanishing starting. Should I bother doing the Varnhold DLC? Is it interesting/worth it?
>>1625027This is the moment to do it
>>1625021>no ice/fiery body for ability score damage immunityFiery body is in the game and it works against memedragora ability drain.
>>1625027Not really, no. Also, while it doesn't spoil the main story, you probably really don't want to do it during your first playthrough.
Titled - "Shadows">This town in a foreign land>Has a narrow twisting street>With lanterns hanging on the left and right>As I walk the twisting path between>And the lanterns shine behind my back>I leave one shadow on the wall>And leave another on the road>Since the day I settled here>Every evening when the lanterns shine>And shadows dance in their light>I walk this narrow twisting street>And you know why
>>1625027It's decently fun enough because you get mega XP gains, and you can meet your General later in the main campaign under certain circumstancesThe goblin merchant will also sell almost all the really good items you pick up during the DLC. Whole thing's like 6 hours.
>>1625107Sounds worthwhile enough to do, then. On we go.
>>1625027dlc has a really great dungeon full of surprises and the tie in with main campaign is pretty coolit's also about one level of difficulty harder
Well this is a great start for the DLC.I already look forward to meeting my General.
>>1625123>dlc has aDo I have to start over if I get it?Lets say I'm in act 2 atm, do I still have hope?
>>1625150You get a pop-up when the game wants to import your Varnhold save, you have until some time after Season of Bloom to do it.
>>1625157It's also written, that it adds some new feats to pick from. What about Beneath The Stolen Lands? Does that stuff goes on sale often?
>>1625224Honestly no idea. You can skip that one if you don't think you'll want to play the game for the sake of playing it once you're done with the story, it's a mostly standalone dungeon crawl you can also do in the campaign to burn spare time.
>>1625235Ayte, thanks. Also I found a feat list here:Fighter:Armed Bravery>The fighter applies his bonus from bravery to all Will saving throws.Combat Maneuver Defense>When the fighter is wielding weapons from the associated weapon group, his weapon training bonus applies to his CMD against all combat maneuvers attempted against him.Effortless Dual-Wielding>The fighter treats all one-handed weapons that belong to the associated weapon group as though they were light weapons when determining his penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons.Fighter’s Reflexes>The fighter applies his weapon training bonus to Reflex saving throws.Fighter’s Tactics>All of the fighter’s allies are treated as if they had the same teamwork feats as the fighter for the purpose of determining whether the fighter receives a bonus from his teamwork feats. His allies do not receive any bonuses from these feats unless they actually have the feats themselves. The allies’ positioning and actions must still meet the prerequisites listed in the teamwork feat for the fighter to receive the listed bonus.Trained Initiative>As long as he is wielding a weapon from the associated weapon, the fighter applies his weapon training bonus to initiative checks.Magus:Empowered MagicMaximized MagicQuickened MagicExtended MagicReach MagicAlchemist:Extend PotionEnhance PotionFeral Wings>Mutagen, gives +3ACNauseating FleshRogue:Blinding StrikeFamiliarTerrain Mastery>A rogue with this talent gains a favored terrain, as the ranger class feature of the same name, but the bonus does not increase with her level. A rogue can take this ability multiple times, each time applying it to a new terrain.
Is it worth fucking the villain and what other games let me do this?
>>1625734depends do you want the ending that most irrevocably fucks up the big bad? because you only get that with Nyrissa's romance
>>1625734I'd say it's the best option simply because it wraps up the story nicely. The romance itself I have no opinion on.
About to start a new run, what some fun gimmick builds?
>>1625734>sticking your dick in fey
>>1625882>There's fey bloodlineSome just can't keep their dicks in pants... Maybe fey pussy is... magical?
>>1625734>Is it worth fucking the villainI don't feel like humiliating candle boy a little bit more is worth ruining your life by shackling yourself to salad.>hurr it diesdoubt.jpg
>>1625863>siege ballista build: myth slayer + hurricane bow + enlarge / legendary proportions>charge build: barb 10 (pounce) deliverer 10 (sneak, dual style, 2d6 holy) + hide armor 2d6 on charge attacks + tiefling bite + barb bite = 10 attacks on charge each with like 10d6 added>double dart/jav/axe thrower>enchantment DC object stacking + bow that causes hideous laughter>crusader cleric with greater weapon training touch focusing on necro touch spells / inflict wounds>sensei giving everyone true strike on the same round (pic related)
>>1625902>Maybe fey pussy is... magical?>half the fey monster list is loaded with with charm/compulsion SLAs and enchantment dc boniI wouldn't be overly surprised if some nymph actually used her pussy as a magical focus actually.Mostly it's their voices tho.
>>1625918>howdy, fey folk, what class do you usually spec in?>magical whore. no dips.You could be on to something...
i just got my barony and following the tutorial it speed me through almost a month long timeskip and the period that was supposed to be chill exploration is now curse timedid i fuck up? should i reload?why cant i walk around and explore while the advisors do these things reeeeee
>>1625977just play the game organically instead of obsessing about optimal choices
>>1625977>why cant i walk around and explore while the advisors do these thingsBut you can. You can open the advisor screen anywhere on the kingdom map so long as you are either within your borders or in a region adjacent to a town with an Aviary.
>>1626005no, i mean when you take over new regions and upgrade a kingdom stat it forces the time to skip forward 14 daysor at least it did with me>>1625987well, i dont want to fail and have to restart, i think i only have it in me to play this game one time
>>1625977You should be fine. Troll Trouble takes a while to start after the curse and even once it starts you have plenty of time to dick around Just make sure to go to Bald hilltop pronto when the game tells you to
>>1626018At some points you'll be gagging for projects that require your participation, otherwise you're just hammering Skip Day to get to the next story beat.
>>1625977Game tells you to visit your capital on the first of every month. While this is not exactly right it is a good guideline. As the game goes on you get teleports and aviators that help with this.
>>1626037>>1626040ok, that makes me feel better, hehe and im currently at Bald Hilltop right now as the first thing so going good already
I keep trying to get into this game, but for fucks sake everything is so god damn slow
>>1626180That is how these games are. Take your time and enjoy.
>>1626200I've had no problems with any other isometric rpg i've played
>>1626210I had some issues at some point where my gpu slowed things down but it was noticeable. I can only partially understand the default speed being too slow since ultimately you get used to it. Different strokes tho