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who could have seen this coming??????
>>1363708Good, fuck them and their shitty left wing leaning shitpile simulator. Trannies(or TRIGGERS, as i like to call them) are cringe and so are the games they force themselves into. They will never enter the gates of Jannah.
>>1363708So who's going to take the lead then? How much of the project is going to be scrapped off and be remade?What a shitshow.
How bad does things have to be if you change developer?
>>1363717taking bait form hardsuit labs, was one of paradox most stupid moves regardless who will take the lead, always pic related
>>1363708The world is getting predictable. That's less negative emotion, but damn is it getting depressive.
>>1363708This is great news, thought not surprising. Like anything with woke/tranny influence, it had no chance of being even remotely good. A proper follow up to the incredible original game has a better shot now than it had over the last 5 years. They also deserved this.Again, fantastic news.
>>1363730its almost unheard of in the games industry, it means the game is 100% huge dogshit and the publisher realized they had to pull the plug at great expense
>>1363755it happened with metroid prime 4
>>1363765who is developing that now? wasnt it retro?
>>1363708you get what you fucking deserve.
>>1363708World of Darkness by Paradox: the gift that keeps on givinglike that time they shitcanned the entire tabletop staff after they started a diplomatic incident with the Russianshttps://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-11-19-paradox-taking-control-of-white-wolf-after-vampire-the-masquerade-lgbtq-controversy
>>1363708Woah. I knew they had troublesome development, but I never suspected it could get THIS BAD.
>>1363717>So who's going to take the lead then?Was there ever predecent for a project coming from a studio to a studio, this late in development? Outside of Duke Nukem Forever.
So this game perma fucked right? Lost the first game's writer, the director and now the fucking developers.
>>1363854>We stand up for LGBT rights!>Except when it actually costs us something, then we don't!
>>1363708Reminder that Paradox is the publisher that released "Imperator: Rome". Whatever they've seen when they decided to check up on how the game is coming along, must have been REALLY BAD
Maybe Misoda will come back
>>1363870no shit Sherlock
>>1363708What a sad joke, everytime I hear news about this game it's somehow worse and more alarming.
>>1363708Thank Christ, hopefully this can die completely.
>>1363887dunno if he will want to i mean entire franchise is shaping up to be more and more like pic rel
>>1363765>>1363774Also now vaporware lol
>>1363870The issue wasn't about them standing up for LGBT rights. Paradox got pissed at White Wolf because their attempt to do that was "The anti-gay death camps are ACTUALLY a conspiracy meant to distract the media from how vampires run Chechnya." White Wolf has a history of insane bullshit like that, so really it's just the straw that broke the camel's back. It's a result of their attempts to put fantastical bullshit into the real world and do it seamlessly where the fantastical bullshit is interacting with real, current events.They always try to do pro-liberal messages that they bungle horrifically and end up with characters that are Nazis, murderers, pedophiles, etc. and end up offending EVERYBODY. White Wolf has spent years trying to make an edgy, counter-culture political game and failing horrifically. Nobody likes them. If you're right-leaning you hate their hamfisted and clumsy attempts at political messaging that treats anybody right of Lenin as a Nazi, and if you're left-leaning you hate that their idea of a strong gay character is a serial murdering rapist cannibal.Just look at the controversy surrounding Beast and how it had a lot of outrage about how you essentially played as serial rapists, the victims that wanted revenge on you were the bad guys that just misunderstood you, the author of Beast was alleged to be a serial rapist, it was a pointlessly edgy attempt to make an "outcast" group that didn't fit into the setting, etc. It's not even the most extreme example of their bullshit, but it's very emblematic.
>>1363929>dice_dog lingo get fucked
>>1363929>Just look at the controversy surrounding BeastI've always said that Beast is a fascinating read, if you read the whole book with "The writer is a pedo, and this book is about pedophilia" angle. Suddenly a whole lot of things make sense.
At this point the game will need to sell 15+ million to get its development money back, assuming it ever releases
/polIt's interesting how this game and System Shock 2 remake are getting so much funding. Why do publishers think there is a market for ARPG-sims? The last word on them was that the latest Deus Ex, Dishonored and Prey games didn't sell so well. The ones that do sell well are "open world" scale like Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Kingdom Come. I doubt these new ones will be that size so why do these publishers invest here?
>>1363866DNF also had lots of demos, that as far as we know are mostly complete, that never got released. I wonder if this game ever even got that far
>Some idiots waited two decades for this>I'm one of them
>>1363988just wait for one more, probably used to it at this point anyway
>>1363988>tfw i recall og clans hype threads i feel you but since it was under paradox umbrella i knew something would go wrong i just hoped vtmb2 would JUST be as wanky as og vidya i had no clue what rodeo was awaiting us i still want to listen to new ost i just hope someone will leak it in the case of this shitshow getting cancelled
>>1363993Nah bro I'm calling quit, Bloodlines is over, it's dank it's done.I'll just cherish my memories of Redemption as much of a shitshow as it was and the first Bloodlines, maybe I'll check out 2's OST since it's done by our guy Rik.>>1363999That's what I was initially expecting as well man, a game that's fucking jank-town but not -that-.
>>1363708PUSH ASIDE THIS ISOLATION
Reminder that they were going to make 3rd and maybe even further games.
>>1364020>It was a song about a hamster all along
>>1364022A cannibalistic rat.
>>1364003boy these hype threads were so good i felt it under my skin that our hopes were to unrealistic to be true no pain, only acceptance now
>>1364021is there a sauce?i want to save it in memoriam
>>1364036that was a great day to be a MalkchadI remember thinking the game would probably be good, just because Mitsoda was on the project. How naive I was.
>>1363717Golden Era Games
>>1364036>Gangrels are in right?My fucking sides
>>1363708Take note game devs, this is what happens when you try and shill your leftist/Marxist propaganda masquerading as a video game.
>>1364061Final Nights and Antitribu both had Setites playable but shame we'll never get one where they are a base clan and not modded with tons of bandaid
>>1364076Truth be told, outside of exotic egyptian tiddies I don't have much interest in them.
Now think of all the poor fucks who preordered
it's for the best, i wish the game never come out
>>1364079Pretty much nobody does
>>1363939I have no idea what that means. I'm just a /tg/ fag that's noticed stories of White Wolf being bumbling fucktards for years. I'm not at all surprised that Paradox finally got fed up with them.>>1363942Absolutely. It makes a ton of sense and really explains a lot of the thought process behind the absolutely insane bullshit in that book. It also feels in keeping with that tendency where a lot of incredibly vocal opponents of pedophilia are pedophiles, themselves. Or vocal male feminists being serial rapists/harassers, which I recall was another issue White Wolf ran into a lot. They had a habit of hiring the absolute worst writers with the worst moral character.
>>1364061some anons asumed that dlc was supposed to have something to do with werewolfs and gangrels at griffith parkseson of the wolf, no more i guess
>>1364053Sorry, it was mentioned somewhere around clan revealing period in one of their videos, won't find it now.
>>1364097To be fair the werewolf fight is one of the most memorable part of the game, and it's not even about it being a good fight, it's not, it's just "holy shit werewolf"There's also the fact that vampires and werewolves are always at each others' throat in WoD, though then again the furfags tend to be at everyone's throat.
>>1364090I mean, I pretty much saved the picture only because I find it cute.
>>1364091>White Wolf being bumbling fucktards for years>that old times when vtm basically anihilated d'n'd out of nerds perception and also got goth kids on board >real shitshow only began afterTime of Judgmentnice narrative you got there for other anons>https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/13/17565898/vampire-the-masquerade-white-wolf-neo-nazi-accusations
This game pissed me off for several reasons1. The developers injected SJW propaganda in a world where it wouldn't make sense2. They announced the DLC before the game even released3. Clans from the first game would not be present at launch4. They didn't even bother polishing their demos or trailersI feel like making a sequel to this game would have been so simple. All they needed to do was make a typical first person shooter, add in some spells, add a quest, and you got the best selling RPG for the next 4 years. Pic related was the stupid shit they were pushing. Imagine paying extra for your character to wear a gay leather biker vest or a miniskirt.
>>1363708No. Make it more PPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
>>1364153What a fucking legend.
>>1364149>Imagine paying extra for your character to wear a gay leather biker vest or a miniskirt.You vastly overestimate gamers.
In a way this makes me sad, I really wanted to laugh at their inevitably autistic hamfisted woke storylines they would have filled the game with
Relax, guys, the game is almost ready.T. Outstar
>>1364184You'll get your chance once the game releases under a new developer, in 2026.
>>1364193was rik fired or did he quit?
>>1364193she even said she was playing bl2 and we would be ashamed of our words and deeds when it released. jfc
>>1364193Why did they do this then?
>>1364213It would be great, really.
>>1364222Obviously because the game was nowhere near finished and Outstar was lying.
>>1364231To be honest, I can see the misspelled cyrilic being in character with the "uni student commie wannabe who doesn't know shit" but I also can see them being retarded unironically.
>>1364229>she escaped from one shitty corporation only to work for another shitty corporation almost like shitty lick escaping camarilla to join sabbat deepest lore
>>1364240Oh god, I would watch whatever they'd be casting, it could even be mob*s.
>>1364213She did play the whole game. The whole 6 minutes of it.
>>1364244>The whole 6 minutes of it.good one
>>1363708I mean marketing and management rushed Cyberpunk and it was a shitshow. I seriously hope Bloodlines 2 never gets released if during all those time, they still haven't polished their game and have nothing to show of.
>>1364265I at least hope we get to find out what Mitsoda had planned and the scripts get released
Who is handling it now? Larian?>>1364268i heard Mitsoda was part of the problem (thats why they got rid of him)
>>1364308> Mitsoda was part of the problemwriting not being sjw enough is a problem
>>1364308>Who is handling it now
They also have that vampire themed battle royale game coming right?
>>1363708>hire lefties to make your game>they're more interested in propagandising than making the game
I would like to say "hello" to the lurking codexfags.
Somewhat related, but what ever happened to that Werewolf game?
>>1364335It was released about a week ago. The graphics aren't great, and all bosses are the same reskinned werewolves.
>>1364335came out like a week ago
>>1363970I thought deus ex and dishonored sold well. Its a shame if those series won't be continued
>>1364361Dishonored 2 and Mankind Divided sold well, but Prey was considered disappointing. I guess it's more of a "Made profit, but not enough to justify an immediate sequel production."
>>1364390>Mankind Divided sold well,Source?
Suggest studios that could take this?>Larian>Microsoft>Obsidian>Bethesda>the studio that made Greedfall?>Troika
>>1364346A weapon to surpass metal gear
>>1363708Go woke, go broke
>>1364402Only one man can save this
>>1364441>is too busy being a bike autistdaddy pls save us..
>>1364441Like he saved poe?
>>1364402if Microsoft does buy them just make it in the creation engine and release it as a paid mod for fallout 4
>>1364454Does poe need saving it is following the trend of every wrpg success. Begin as isometric and finish in skyrim clone
>>1364472>it is following the trend of every wrpg success.And yet it itself isn't successful.Not only that, even after NWN2 and all the Black Isle history, Wizards still chose fucking Lariat over Obsidian. Such cuckery not even japs would make smut about it.
>>1364402just find a bunch of Slavs who were into Bloodlines and pay them in alcohol and pierogi
>>1364481>And yet it itself isn't successful.it is getting another game is it not. is that not success
>>1364491No rosol, no deal.
>>1364495They have to make something and it's not like Obsidian has many of their own IPs lying around.
>>1364149That and malkavian was the most unique and entertaining clan to play but apparently they were under the delusion that it was too offensive to nutters. Wtf man? It's a game. You can make wacky weird characters. People don't need to pick them to play if they don't like it. Also hard suit has never made anything but a shitty f2p shooter I've never even heard of before. Why would paradox get them to develop it? Lowest bidder?
>>1364491are Slavs into VTMB? How big was the first game there?
>>1364402Resurrect troika and let them actually polish the shit out of it and also don't hire sjw.
>>1364509Slavs invented vampires and internet.
>>1363743/threadI doubt they'll learn but I hope they come to understand why people loved their setting rather than trying to pozz it for the sake of being woke.
>>1364509Slavs are into Gothic. VtMB is respected, but not that popular.
>>1364509Slavs are very much into VtM. Or at least used to be, back in 2000's. It was the second biggest shit after Warhammer FRPG. So giving vampires to slavs might not be such a bad idea t. Pole
>>1364402>LarianNoooo.They have proven with BG3 that that can make only one type of game - D:OS.Unless you really want a D:OS reskin with vampires.
>>1364402They're going to give it to Bioware with David Gaider as the main lead
>>1364509If you gave it to the right slavs we can be assured that they would filter out the HIV positive stuff and try to make it resemble the original incarnation. The trade off would be that it's probably going to be even more janky and weird than VTMB.
>>1364532>>1364542so give it to Owlcat?
>>1363868maybe, they have to refund people for their preorders, maybe they'll just pay a few decent devs to slap something together with the art and other assets they have.it might actually be pretty okay without all the woke people to mess things up
>>1364547What is Warhorse Studios doing nowadays? I just want that Vampire:Dark Ages game.
>>1364532Russian VtM drinking game>Every time the Storyteller sets gothic horror in his shithole one factory town, take a shot >Every time the Storyteller talks about chechen brujahs, take a shotDie of alcohol poisoning.
>>1364547Jesus Christ, lmao rofl
>>1364547As much as I love Owlcat, VtM: Bloodlines 2 should be given to someone with experience creating shooters like Arkane studios.
>>1364520Wrong. Ressurect troika and put them in the exact unfair circumstances that force them to create a rough masterpiece, which is then later unofficially patched to perfection.
>>1364536 I really don't want that.
>>1364520If you resurrect troika you immediately have hired SJW dood
>>1364651It isn't even SJW shit, IIRC Tim Cain's most played game on Steam is Fallout 4
>>1364653But he was the mastermind behind The Outer Worlds. And Mitsoda goes without saying. He hired as a senior writer a woman who can't shut up about trannies and feminism.
>>1363774It was Bandai namco, now it is retro.
>>1364655wrpg has always been leftie.go back
>>1364655show me actual docs
>>1363708So this is what happens when you gather up some of the original developers to work on a sequel only to immediately cancel them for stupid shit to gain a couple days of limelight.
>>1363708Cursed to be forever unliving
>>1363854That is hilarious.
>>1364509Slavs into everything good that was released in last 90's/first half 00's as that's the times they are got first PC's in mass
>>1364655He was? That fucking sucks. Outer worlds is garbo
>>1364674Even then the development was rumour to be extremely troubled. So it's more along the lines of:>This is what happens when you assign a team of talentless SJW hacks to a few of the original developers, who aren't leftist enough.
>>1364481>High review scores.>High critical scores.>Two sequels.>Bought by Microsoft as a result.>"Long legs", in other words, sells well in the long run.It's successful by any definition of the word.
>>1363708What has Hardsuit Labs done anyway? i've never heard of them before vtmb2
>>1364766Their only other game is Blacklight: Retribution, an FPS now made for PS4 since they shut down PC servers in early 2019.
>>1364823>that pic you almost seem to be making argument that he should won
Where was this announced?
>>1364864today 8 am UTC +1
So was it the studio forcing the woke shit or was it being forced on them by paracucks and white wolf?
>>1364901it was paradox imo but hardsuit is based in seatle so there's that
>>1364912>Hardsuit based in Seattle>They would have found some way to add in the CHAZ/CHOP
Looks like this was gearing up to be another CP77-tier fiasco and Paradox just washed their hands off it.
>>1364823Trannies lost their dicks.
>>1364914>CHAZ/CHOP>the garden lel, fun threads
>>1364915Cp actually had hype in it as it was made by the same people behind The Witcher and a lot of people liked thoseThis studio is pretty much unknown, they made an online FPS that got closed a few years back. It isn't going to be CP 77 tier because most people don't care about this
>>1363708ok, how bad was the game for this to happen?
>>1364929It had trigger warnings for sidequests.When your translation team has to tell you to knock off with the fucking pronouns, you know you've done goofed.
>>1364390I don't think dishonored 2 sold as much as its previous entry, which is a big red flag.
>>1364942I wish this game had launched anyway, missed a great opportunity to laugh for months.
>>1364942>When your translation team has to tell you to knock off with the fucking pronouns, you know you've done goofed.What happened?
>>1364942I just realized how are other languages supposed to incorporate all the dumb pronouns people make up
>>1364193>>1364213Paradox almost certantly forced her to say that the game was great and good and dindu nuffin, outstar is the closest contact Paradox has with "the people" and since Outstar will do anything that Paradox tells her to do since she's afraid of losing what she considers her "dream job"
>>1364509VtMB is still in Russian /v/'s top 10 while it's fallen to like 85 on regular /v/'s. Russians seem to really like these older PC games, I was looking up VtMB videos on YouTube a while back a kept seeing Russian channels. For some reason Severance Blade of Darkness also had a lot of Russian players.
>>1364995There was this one... weird interview (I can't find it at the moment, but I am sure anons know which one I am talking about) where this Cara Ellison person was bemoaning the fact that wanted to put a lot of "genderqueer" pronouns into the game, but was vetoed by a translation team on the basis of "bitch, we then have to translate this shit into other languages, and this whole idiocy doesn't work in languages other than English, so you are making our job insanely difficult". Then she got pouty and concluded that other languages are problematic and not progressive enough.
>>1364929>ok, how bad was the game for this to happen?The management is most likely dogshit, not the actual game.As someone that works in the industry, this reeks of mismanagement.
>>1365000Good luck translating that garbage to gendered languages.Also, checked.
>>1364915This game is already way more of a mess than Cyberpunk
>>1364509I suppose about as big as it was elsewhere at the release. It just didn't fade into total obscurity afterwards.The fact that it's still popular on 2ch may be because young 'uns keep learning about it still.
honestly the first game was really lame and gay too. Are trannies that much worse than all the faggots in the original?
>>1364914God I miss CHAZ
>>1365079Honestly, you can fuck of with your shit bait or "opinion" or whatever you call that.
>>1365079>Are trannies worseAlways yes
I'm more surprised it's not cancelled altogether.They went from having some really barebones gameplay to show like 2 years ago, to absolutely nothing for the last year. It was clear there wasn't any work being done on it - the only news we've ever gotten on the game is who's fired.
>>1364823Seethe. Men can't be women, just mutilated men.
>Wanting to be a vampireENTERTHE MAGECHAD
told ya its vaporware
>>1363929Beast is the nu-WoD, right? I newer bothered with new and improved canon it is just embarrassing and unnecessary.
>>1365415As long as they are in confined space with no witnesses or passersby.
>>1365445>lacking the creativity to do plausible magicLaughing at your expense.
>>1365415>>1365451>getting shit from every supernatural because WW loves vampire gay shit and wicca stuffRemember when they had to cave to the popular support of the Technocracy and accept they aren't the bad guys? Good times.
>>1364670Leftie 20 years ago is worse than hitler today.
>>1364670t. retard who thinks fallout 3 is an old school rpg
>>1365624He's right about WW tho.
>>1365635People forget what caused the retarded checyna shit that shuttered WW was a previous book/edition/i forget that fellated neo-nazis instead of their mirror image antifa that got writers fired. The next writers went the the opposite direction and caused the international incident.
Vampires have been code for fagots for at least 50 years. Alll the blood diseases faggots pick up just made it more explicit.
>>1364914that was pure Anarch kino
>>1365415Technocracy is cool but normal tradition mages are shitters
>>1365004didn't she used to work with CDPR though?
>>1365894should have add to it >dropped nuke on the antedeluvian
>>1365944Yeah.Then she shittalked them behind their back. She's almost infamously disloyal to her employers. I'll give it a year before she turns on Paradox and goes for the highest bidder.
>>1363999I knew it would be shit as soon as they announced it. How the fuck could anyone expect anything good to come out of this?
>>1366161Thirst for vampire tiddies, that's how.
>>1365009>while it's fallen to like 85 on regular /v/'s.The average age of /v/ has been getting lower and lower so no surprise that a good majority of the board never even bothered to play it.
No game is the best possible outcome at this point. If it gets released it will make Cyberpunk look like a finished product and Paradox will have the audacity to pump out DLC as well.
>>1366210>>1365009well /v/ got balkanized so I don't think it's really comparing apples to apples anymore
>>1363942I remember being repulsed by its "morality" even before I found out about that connection. It reminded me a lot of the "no bad tactics, only bad targets" crowd, who think the highest form of virtue is being sadistic and vindictive to the "right" people.Of course the truth was even worse.>>1363970Those games are praised to high heaven, the things the suits don't understand is that it's partially because they AREN'T modern.>>1364080>Preordering fucking ever
>>1363708>normie friend on discord shrieking in surprise over this Me: "Oh sweet summer child. The game was rigged from the start."
>>1363870I bet you subscribe to Disney+
>>1364823Was that pic taken on the Lolita Express?
>>1366394I would think that somebody who criticizes "Passive Progressives" would resent Didney Worl, making the generous assumption that they're being consistent.
>>1363743This. American politics ruins everything. In the 90s I was able to RP as ecoterrorist murder machine without any leftist talking points being crammed down my throat. America needs to hold that shit in like a fart whenever she is producing anything for the global market the same way I hold in farts at thanksgiving. You don't get to assume your country's (or state's) political perspective is reality for everyone everywhere. Also that is shitty writing by definition. Points of view, ambiguity, reader interpretation. These are what we in the writer's business call things.
>>1366414yeah but the surprise?.... 2021 that like being surprised that mud is wet.
>>1366419It's not even our country's political perspective, they just jam it down our throats too like they own the place. How do you think we feel about this shit?
>>1364655Wrong, he was hired as senior writer and then got replaced early by said woman. That's why Pavarti's character takes big fat hairpin turn once you arrive at the space port.
>It doesn't have to have the first game's writer!>It doesn't need the director!>It doesn't need to be well made!>It doesn't need to have a developer!>Think of the poor people who posted cat pics then actually working on a project and blaming the chink flu!The absolute state of shills. No matter bleak a project they will always be there.
>>1366435Conservatives just don’t have the brain power to be creative
>>1366669please explain how liberals make better games
>>1366669anon, all the greatest artists are at least reactionary, and generally anti-Semitic as well (even the Jews)
>>1365415Do you have that "Garou as seen by kindred and garou as seen by mages" image?
>>1365673It feels like Ventrue who were originally depicted as the inheritors of the whole "white patriarchy" thing would have been all up ons being Nazis but that whole period in history seems to have been scrubbed when I look at V:TMB wiki these days but what the hell do I know, I quit paying attention when they flushed the whole setting down the Requiem tubes long ago.Obviously they can't reconcile the long history and original aspect of vampires being murdering blood drinking machines with the leftist desire to turn any kind of degenerate into heros with any kind of internal consistency because of their shitty politics.>oh no not the fascist degeneracy, that's a bridge too far, let's get back to the snuff porn.They don't stand up for the pedigree of their own art, just lefty cause du jour.
I remember the first time I played the original and thought “man, all of these clans sound like faggots!” So I made a nosfertu.
>>1364942>It had trigger warnings for sidequests.>You are a murderous creature of darkness, about to take on a new task for your Gangrel brethren. You have survived in the woods for weeks munching on rat carcasses, finally you see the cabin of the assassination target you have been searching for so that you may go and rip his head off.>large pink neon sign comes down from a tree warning you might be offended at his language as he might address you with incorrect pronouns while you are carving into his chest with your claws.Fuck yeah immersion, fucking really? lol
>>1363708Just release that cluster fuck and let community take care of it.
>>1364402Only realistic in-house option is Harebrained Schemes, since they're also a Paradox studio and unlike Hardsuit Labs they've actually made RPG's before. Other than that Paradox would have to team up with another publisher, considering there are pretty much zero relevant, independent AA studios.
>>1364509Too kurwa big.
>>1364961Don't all sequels make less money though? Besides weird shit like Matrix 2.>>1364400That rumor about it being on "hiatus" is just that, a rumor. It's just not on the priority list of things to do according to this the Marvel game was important. Which I believe was a mistake, but big companies do as big companies do. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-27-square-enix-speaks-out-on-the-future-of-deus-ex>"We have several big titles that we work with and that's partly a factor in what our line-up looks like. Of course, it would be ideal if we could work on all of them all of the time, but [...] some titles have to wait their turn. The reason there isn't a Deus Ex right now is just a product of our development line-up because there are other titles we are working on."
>>1363715Based and girthy bigdick Chadpilled.
>>1366826The game needs a huge overhaul to the point of borderline being a remake, and I think that's more than the community would be able to handle. Even the fan patches for VtMB have mostly just been some bug fixes, not entirely overhauling large portions of the game.
>>1365946>>dropped nuke on the antedeluvianand that was extremely based
>>1366841>Harebrained SchemesThat might actually work. I didn't love Shadowrun but it, y'know, exists.
>>1366896I don't care what they say, MD did nowhere near as well as HR, they're probably going to wait it out a bit.
>>1366741>Obviously they can't reconcile the long history and original aspect of vampires being murdering blood drinking machines with the leftist desire to turn any kind of degenerate into heros with any kind of internal consistency because of their shitty politics.I had just read that in V5 core when I stumbled upon your comment... make of it what you will.
>>1367158was that written by the same authors who did chechenya thing?
>>1367158How much do Tremere actually care about chantry servants and fledglings?
>>1363708Good, no nosferatu no buy
>>1367158>tremere is upset about other vampires not giving a damm about genocidewe broke through levels of irony not possible before
>>1363708thank fuck, if it never comes out it can't soil the first game at least
>>1366669Create Lord of the Rings.Get called Racist.Parrot leftist beliefs. Get promoted.
>>1367319How is the persecution complex working for you
>>1367324Don't care about living in cities. So I'm fine at the moment.
>>1367324>How is the persecution complex working for you>ad verecudiamnice eristic argument you got there
>>1367319>lotr >watching the shitlib remake As I said, all great artists are reactionary, and usually anti-semitic
>>1367340You genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
>>1367417you don't appear to ether
>>1367417you are illiterate; I’m describing lotr as a shitlib remake of der ring des nibelungen. And Wagner had sensible and accurate views on international jewry
>>1367485Maybe if you use big boy words adults will be more inclined to pay attention.
>>1367485>I’m describing lotr as a shitlib remake of der ring des nibelungenReading through a synopsis of Der Ring Des Nibelungen's story, that doesn't seem accurate to me at all.
>>1367485>"I'm clueless and retarded"Not helping your cause.
>>1367533international finance, in the (obviously Jewish) figure of mime is a principle villain in the tale. As Tolkien was an English patriot as well a philosemitr he had to bowlderize the dwarfs into zionists and the change the essential nature of the dragon and the ring. He himself was well aware that his children’s books were the safe-for-gentiles version of a superior work.
>>1365039>to gendered languages.My language is not gendered, we don't even differentiate between he/she. (We have three different ways of saying "you" though, depending on how polite/familiar you want to be.)I can't even imagine the pain in the ass it would be to tackle the pronoun retardation during localisation.
>>1363866Dark Souls 2, but it was 2 different internal teams.
can someone spill the beans if you know who and mitsoda had a romance? is this the only reson why writing team looked how it looked?
>>1367243>>1367263Well, to be fair, even in old WoD lore, Aisling Sturbrigde was very upset about WW2, genocide and Nazis, but then: Aisling was very a young vampire back then and she's one of the nicest and most moral Tremere in the lore, to the point other Tremere think she's fucked in the head.
>>1368323to be fair in old lore tremere were involved in ubermensch bullshit there was also the thing with salubri but i have no idea where nuLore will take this - btw do you remember what was aisling's stance on this?
>>1368323>Nice and moral>TremereYeah, no.The only possible way I would buy it is if she was secretly an ultra evil manipulative bitch playing the 200IQ long game to fuck everybody else over.
>>1368288I suppose that would explain why Mitsoda had such a favorable view of Ellison when she seemed to spend more time trashing the first game rather than praising it, but I don't think it has anything to do with something dramatic like that.I think it's just like Rik said a while ago about making new music for VtMB, they're just not the same people anymore. You see a lot of people trying to pretend like they love VtMB just as much as we do but they're mostly giving it backhanded compliments. I don't think you can really recreate all the factors that helped build VtMB.
>>1368347Actually, no. She's just a nice and polite nerd who is pleasant to everybody and as such everybody likes to hang out with her. She even became the High Regent of NY and almost became a prince of NY. The other Tremere really don't understand why she's so good at diplomacy because being nice to other clans is an alien concept to them, but she's superefficient and compenent, so they are letting her do her job her way.
>>1368381no tremere tried to backstab her? seems weird
>>1368381>The devious and secretive scheming cutthroat vampire illuminati *only* had bad PR because they were jerks and lacked the higher brain functions necessary to understand the concept of being nice to people to get what you want>Luckily this nerdy goth girl snowflake showed up and became friends with everybody, with no ulterior motives whatsoever apparently despite representing the interests of a sect of evil asshole blood mages. But she's still totally cool honest and everybody likes her including the evil asshole backstabbing blood mage illuminati.
>>1368381>>1368409A Mary Sue in WoD games? Inconceivable!
>>1368402She deliberately made herself a valuable asset so that it wouldn't be beneficial. And she keeps her head down, does her job and goes back to her nerd Batcave, so that nobody has any dirt on her. That's why she DIDN'T become a Prince of NY.
>>1368423it still seems weird for other tremeres not to take shot at that
>>1368358>I don't think you can really recreate all the factors that helped build VtMB.Of course you can't, but it really doesn't help that they've just decided that so much of the originals most important aspects were completely arbitrary and cast them out, instead aiming to just cram in trending and contemporary things in their place. Rik Schafer isn't going to be suicidal living on someones couch again, but I'm expecting the new soundtrack to be full of wub and hip hop, because that's what sell.
>>1368428But what's the point? She's just a nerd that wants to study occult books for eternity, hangs out with Beckett, provides a good PR for the clan and is good at her job. She's not even that well-off. No Tremere will get any benefit from it and despite appearances, Tremere don't fuck each other over for the sake of it.
>>1368443>But what's the point?jyhad, taking her knowledge by force, taking shot at more peaceful trems
>>1368448She's too powerful for the high-gen vamps and too insignificant for the low-gen vamps to even care and she made a name for her by being competent and reliable. So as long as she's doing her job for the clan, nobody cares about her methods. You make it sound as if all Tremere are stupid evil backstabbers, despite them being pragmatic survivalists who stick together because entire world is out to get them.
>>1368467>She's too powerful for the high-gen vamps and too insignificant for the low-gen vampsi think you mixed the two>You make it sound as if all Tremere are stupid evil backstabbers, despite them being pragmatic survivalists who stick together because entire world is out to get them.well there was that one clan who got done with by evil backstabers who done massive campaign against them ainsling seems to me a bit mary sue - everybody in the pyramid went "welp it is our nice nerd"?
>>1364547They are already working on two games though. And they are D&Dfags, not VtMfags.
How the FUCK did VNs turn out to be the best new WoD games?
>>1368577not that hard when your only competition is vaporware
>>1364823Trump wasn't radical enough anyway
>>1368577They are not even that good, comparatively. The best thing about the first game was Aisling's cameo, because for a second it started to feel like oWoD again.
>>1368577better question is how has paradox been comically unable to get the ball rolling with wod games. single legit game has come out so far and it's a middling werewolf title.
>>1368592Because most contemporary normies don't give a fuck about WoD anymore and awful V5 is not helping things. The only people interested in the games would be 90's-2000's goth boomers and they jumped ship with V5. Not that Paradox would market this game to them anyway.
>>1368485>i think you mixed the twoNah, the lower your generation the closer you are to Cain and the more potent your blood is.
>>1367417Based tolkien supporting the jewish people
>>1368592DnD is much more popular tg and since NWN 2 the only relevant games they got are Neverwinter and BG3 . There aren't many tabletop to video games in general
>>1366669yes just look at the original deus ex vs the nu mankind divided... oh wait
>>1364129So all it took was one retarded blog article to make White Wolf go full woke and avoid neo-nazi accusation
They are going to give this to Gearbox just watch it
>>1364536>Nice idea you gave me, anon....I'll call the game Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines 3: Super faithful to the source material Edition
>>1368884pretty much fren
>>1364536Dragon Commander is pretty different
>>1368901>walk into sabbat base>throw wooden barrel at them>set floor on fire >they all die due to surface damage
>>1368911that's the face you make when you realize you need to go back to youtube because you're out of a job
>>1368954>because you're out of a jobshe's not though, she works for Paradox directly that's why she's doing damage control
>>1368945>and everybody cracks bad Belgian jokes in an exagerrated British accent.
>>1368602You act like most normalfags give a fuck about any TT system. Make the game decent and they don't give a damn, especially if the world is put forth in interesting ways. They just can't even manage that though.
>>1368970Judging by the poor state of Vtmb 2, she doesn’t have much to work right now. I think she had a twitch channel and does streamings. I don’t want to say something mean but it would not surprise me if she got married to have someone to provide for her in times of crisis. Financially speaking I don’t think she has ever been particularly solid
>>1368911>>1368954>>1369033I love how she keeps shitting on CDPR and Cyberpunk at every possible occasion while Vtmb2 has had one of the worst development of the recent years. I’m not defending cdpr or its cyberpunk debacle, but Outstar attitude is just pathetichttps://mobile.twitter.com/outstarwalker/status/1364568382826287105
>>1368945>>1368994Anon, please....you’re giving Swen too many dangerous ideas
>>1368924more of a vn desu
>>1369074It has more combat than dialogue as far as I remember
>>1369094That's part of the joke. I can't in good conscience classify they atrocity they put forth as """""combat""""" as gameplay. There's a reason they have a skip button and a way to completely skip that part al together.
>>1369104>put forth as """""combat"""""put forth in that game as*
>>1364036>last Clan will be CaineAlways gets a laugh out of me
>>1369033>Financially speaking I don’t think she has ever been particularly solidI bet that makes you sad. Go donate to her you obsessed cunt
>>1368945>dominate a human>turn into mist>walk the human over to a window, make the human break it open>sunlight floods into that area from the window, but you're mist so it doesn't burn you unless its overwhelming direct sunlight>werewolf girlfriend throws a silver knife into the wall behind the enemy vampire elder>werewolf gf then spirit walks out of its mirrored surface to flank>this_is_sparta.exe>vampire elder is dust>end turn>enemy fledgling vampire turns on a fan and blows your mist form out the window into direct sunlight>nooooooo>disintegrate>werewolf gf goes into a rage, kills the rest of your party>celestial mage companion was the only one who could use the team rez item>fuck
>>1369204Don’t talk to me or my babe outstar ever again
I was present in every Bloodlines thread in the last year and stayed positive in over 90% of the anons saying it will be shit. well they were right. its shit. but dont worry bros. i will handle it from now onim gonna try to contact the ones having the power over the ip and tell them in a 20 Pages Letter that they have to produce bloodlines or else. you heard me. OR ELSE. im gonna send an anonymous mail from my lycos adress. and i will ent the letter/mail with a simple "OR ELSE"So let me ask you: What are they gonna do but develope it again? they have no choice and im sure they dont want to find out what im going to do to them. no worries anons. this anon is looking out for you, so you can play vampire the masqurade: Bloodlines 2
>>1367106>Zapathasura hasn't just willingly erased himself rom reality using his quasi-mage powers >he won't rematerialize himself during gehenna
>>1365415Hi Dave, how is Deviant coming along?
All this because the project lead cheated on his wife with Cara Ellison and destroyed the marriage.Good job everyone.
>>1369033>I don’t want to say something mean but it would not surprise me if she got married to have someone to provide for her in times of crisis.You mean she did something 99% of human women have done for the past 8000 yearshow shocking
>>1369402I don't want to think always the worst about someone else. Truth is, though, the worst is usually what happens when you consider certain people, especially women.
Part of me really wants to know what went down. You know a place full of nasassitic leftist witch hunters would be full of drama.
>>1364063Pulling off a 3D game on a shoestring budget requires either superstars like Troika had, or people with experience at doing it. Regardless of politics this studio wasn't either.They should have given this to Cyanide or Dontnod ... it probably wouldn't have been good, but it would have shipped with reasonable graphics.
>>1369852>superstars like TroikaYou mean the same Troika that released a half-finished and buggy piece of shit that took modders a decade to fix?
>>1369871Yes.Simply producing something fixable on that budget was a feat.
>>1369884>bloodlines was low budgetAre you trying to get the "dumbest post ITT award" or something? The competition is fierce here.
>>1369366nice cope leechyour antediluvian was getting BTFO by the Kuei-Jin even before discount xcom got there
>>1369907>bloodlines was low budgetRelatively speaking, yes.
>>1363715kill all faggots. they reproduce asexually by trying to mindrape people and getting pissy when you tell them to fuck off. Christ,Mohammad can we please borrow the roof?
>>1369762They waste time on that crap to be sure, they damage otherwise decent storylines and characters to be sure, but all that is just the shit icing.The real crap cake is the simple fact that hiring based on things other than merit puts them in this position of too many talentless hacks to carry and not enough production under deadlines. Admitting that is a racist cardinal sin now to the lefty woke church so expect many more implosions on the horizon. I have a wonderful popcorn maker now.
>>1364361Dishonored was fucking gay. Still cant believe they dragged Russel for that faggotry.
>>1365009>SeveranceSlavs are insane but they have insanely based taste in pc games. You are my brothers.
>>1368358You cant Bloodlines is an accident, A fortune late 90s early 00s accident.As mysterious and silly as the ambient music in the hollywood apartments.But a reasonable and nuanced, not demoralized self flagellating culture would have the introspection to understand what went right and try to recreate it.
>>1370289Was Bloodlines Prophetic about 21 century chink domination?
>>1369852What about the frogs that do those jank rpgs. Spiders.Maybe they could pull it off.The Council, adventure game felt really really WoD. its shame its so forgotten because of its episodic format.Its puzzles were really clever.
>>1363708what an absolute joke this entire thing has been.>we need to be sensitive and consider peoples emotional well being in this game about schizophrenic vampire murderersabsolute clusterfuck
>>1371083i liked the council but that shit got weird man
>>1364438>Go woke, go brokeAre you one of those idiots that also believes disney film are losing money
>>1371107I wanted it weirder and weirder it was great.Granted some of its conspiracies went a bit too far. Like demon jesus.Still a fucking cultured and great game, I genuinely thought adventure games were dead and frogs made something jank but always very entertaining.And nice to look at outside the character models.
>>1371110Not that anon but money they are certainly not losing, but a piece of eternity? They are.
>>1369275i had more fun in those threads than i will ever have playing this shit game if it is ever finished
>>1371110Disney as a whole is about $40bn in debt
>>1371114I was put off by the promo stuff for this, is it worth a go?
>>1371192Very worth it. Its a great story. Near the end it gets puzzles worth of being called that. Believe me when I say cultured. It has some game smell her and there but its so small, I think only euros could pull this off. Great historical references. It really feels like a vampire the masquerade scenario.
>>1371050>But a reasonable and nuanced, not demoralized self flagellating culture would have the introspection to understand what went right and try to recreate it./thread and we need a gaming company with this as their fucking mission statement
>>1371262I'll check it out then.
>>1371299The amount of choices is big and the game wraps up a bit quick because of the amount of possible endings.But its a very interesting game.
>>1363708HAHAHA holy shit. Seems like the game is in such state that it needs CS Condition Zero or Sleeping Dogs treatment. And that's the best case scenario. Worst case is that Paradox just hired the cheapest workforce possible to make whatever they have at the moment playable than cut the losses, ship the damn thing and forget that existed.
>>1363970Some kind of money laundering probably. Uwe Boll style.
The Ghost of Avellone
>>1363717At that point they should just find the source code for the original Bloodlines and let the community deal with it. Would probably end up as a better product in this day and age.
>>1364547This would be a good choice for the inevitable isometric RPG set in the WoD. Assuming this Bloodlines 2 debacle doesn't sink the whole WoD brand.
>>1371713Was Black Mesa any good?
>>1371952>inevitable isometric RPG set in the WoDDon't know if I'd use the word inevitable. WoD is more player based than party based.
>>1364036First time, fren?
>>1363912That pic, OMG, anon I needed that laugh. I just wanted to say thank you.
>>1363929>They always try to do pro-liberal messages that they bungle horrifically and end up with characters that are Nazis, murderers, pedophiles, etc. and end up offending EVERYBODY.Give me the highlights
>>1363912>fuck it we're True Blood the rpg nowLiterally the book and tv series produced by fermenting the back sweat of a fujoshi hamplanet.
>>1368877Imagine if they had the time to include a UNATCO loyalist plot line
>>1365946isn't Garou more Man vs Society? Pentex is their BBEG
>>1372239imo wyrm and lack of balance is more of a real bbeg pentex is more of a symptom
>>1363715You must be larping because if not then this is hilarious.
>>1366669>fantasy>entire genre is plagiarizing a Catholic scholar
>>1372390even funnier considering that tolkien was heavily inspired by dunsany who in turn took heavy inspiritation from king james bible
>>1372230Not sure if he's just joking but because nobody really knows exactly why Mitsoda was fired they keep speculating all this drama. They say it's because Mitsoda wasn't progressive enough, Ellison was the one really in charge, he must've been accused of sexual harassment, he was fucking Ellison, etc. but there's no proof of anything. But I think they just wanted to get rid of everyone involved because the whole thing was such a failure.
>>1371020To be fair, I am in it just for the Amazon.t. Slav.
>>1372409i like her accent
>>1372433She actually speaks? I can't recall.I like her death moans.
>>1372400Not to mention Tolkien being great friends with C.S. Lewis and credits him with encouraging him to do LoTR in the first place.https://www.newsweek.com/men-letters-jrr-tolkien-and-cs-lewiss-bond-563509
>>1372435There are some parts where the actual character starts talking, when they're reading something in the level and when you're offering the gems at the temple. She has a kind of Scandinavian accent I guess. And the voice actress for her also did the goddess Ianna. The game actually has pretty good voice acting.>I like her death moans.lel. I like her regular combat noises, people say she gets annoying because of how much she vocalizes during combos but it never bothered me.
>>1372156nah but i guess original arg reveal carried me a little to far in my dreams another lesson
>>1364036>those anons who were convinced it was nosferatu because there isn't an real life insane asylum in seattlehilarious
>>1372520seatle IS insane asylum
Do you think they're going to start the game from scratch or just hand it off to a more competent team and give them time to try and fix what they can? I would've liked seeing VtMB2 on Source 2 instead of Unreal and if it actually tried to keep up the gothic atmosphere but I can't see Paradox just throwing away all that time and money they've already spent.
>>1372631Nah, they next team will quickly slap something together from the existing resources to just shove this cursed thing out of the door and forget about it. Paradox can't be arsed AND can't afford to revamp the whole project, at this point they just their money back.
>>1372646Yeah that's what I think too. Just getting the game to a playable state won't really be enough for me though, I feel like it has a lot of other problems that are unrelated to the jankiness. Supposedly Paradox wants to turn it into a big franchise and I don't think VtMB2 will kickstart that. At this point I think they would've had more success just porting VtMB to an up-to-date version of Source and fixing things that the Unofficial Patch still hasn't been able to. I haven't bought a game in years but I would've bought that for $60.
>>1372520>>1372565I would've said Seattle is a Settite domain
>>1372663Just porting it to new engine so you don't get loading screens every time you enter/exit a house would make people interested in it. Also did you know for many buildings in VtM:B their interior and exterior don't match at all? You probably did because it's one of the games where it's extremely obviousI don't think they would make it desu, during Bloodlines 2 development they said many things in the first game were problematic. They wouldn't re release it
>>1372685>Just porting it to new engine so you don't get loading screens every time you enter/exit a house would make people interested in it.Better mod support would probably drive interest up too. VtMB is already starting to get decent custom content but with proper mod tools it would be great.>Also did you know for many buildings in VtM:B their interior and exterior don't match at all? You probably did because it's one of the games where it's extremely obviousYou mean in size? I never thought about it much. I think it would've been hard to make them match because a lot of the exteriors feel like they were influenced by gothic architecture which I really like, and it would've been hard to make the interiors feel like normal spaces when trying to match that.> during Bloodlines 2 development they said many things in the first game were problematic.That was mostly Cara Ellison and to some extent maybe Mitsoda, along with "journalists" and SJWs just looking for things to complain about. I don't know how much Paradox themselves really care, but with the way people are talking about the V5 books maybe they think it's a worthy audience to target. Would be nice if they stopped caring what these people think because despite all their support it's been a huge failure which should tell them something.
>>1372565There were articles back in 2020 that said Seattle was so hot that people were getting severe burns, and then you get some anons saying that Seattle is too cold for them.I'm starting to think Seattle is a hellhole. Why the fuck would you want to spend eternity there?
>>1363708Hoping indefinite becomes definitely dead.
>>1372685>>1372700>during Bloodlines 2 development they said many things in the first game were problematic.>That was mostly Cara Ellison and to some extent maybe Mitsoda, along with "journalists" and SJWs just looking for things to complain about. I don't know how much Paradox themselves really careThis is just good pr the current media loves to write think pieces and this keeps the game in attention when you don't have a lot or gameplay to show
>>1372856Seattle is just full of fucking pussies.
>>1371020For some reason everyone I knew had a (pirated, naturally) copy of this game back in the early 2000s or knew a guy who had. And it's a good game. Hence the popularity in Russia. When I finally got internet I was surprised to learn it's relatively unknown to the rest of the world.
>>1371065Yellow Peril is not a new concept, anon.
>>1372631Source 2 isn't available for anyone except Valve to use. They announced their plan to license it out back in 2015, but then they lost interest in actually making that happen.