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How do we fix Ar Tonelico?
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>>1350977
by kidnapping Tecmo Koei and Namco Bandai developers and forcing them to make a new game or a full-3D remake of the first two games
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>>1350977
what needs fixing other than the combat in the 3rd game?
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>>1350977
Why fix it if its dead anyway
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>>1350977
Retranslation and PC release.
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>>1351488
The diving kinda sucks
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>>1350977
Can't. It was broken from the start and all it had going for it was the music to begin with.
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>>1350977
it needed fixing?
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>>1351419
>remake
god no
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Linker is a cool song.
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>>1352212
And you're an ignoramus who learned nothing from these games.
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>>1351910
It does its job as a powerup system and a way for developing the characters, so it doesn't suck.
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go back in time and stop the gust buyout
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Just needs some bug fixes, mostly. I wouldn't mind an HD remaster if they put real effort into it.
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>>1352212
you must be a zoomer that just hits the text advance button while looking at your phone.
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>>1353940
I'll add characters and setting but he's right that the moment to moment gameplay was already boring when AT1 and 2 came out.
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>futa Reyvateils
>male Reyvateils
>black Reyvateils
>black male Reyvateils
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>>1354399
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>>1354399
in rare occasions, the reyvateil gene becomes active in men, but they die very quickly due to h-wave overload if it is not suppressed immediately.
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>>1354448
Sounds sexy
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>>1353198
Yes, but they could've at least put there a minigame or some kind of interaction instead of making it feel like a literal vn
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>>1352460
It needs way higher production values
It needs more varied exploration
It needs to tone down the cringeworthy mechanics (like the Dualstall and most of ATQoga's stuff)
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>>1355267
>making it feel like a literal vn
but this is what we wanted.
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Ar Nosurge's "Genometrics" was pure suffering.

The AT1's cosmosphere was nice because it provided parallel context to the on going story.
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>>1354399
Black male Soul singing Reyvateils sounds kind of neat actually. I wouldn't want to fuck them, but after all those high pitched chirpy voices it'd be refreshing to be serenaded by a smooth resonant baritone, yanno?
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>>1355278
Dualstall is fine, the scat in AT3 is where they crossed the line
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>>1356103
don't look at it
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Make it more like 1 and 2 and NOT like 3 or Nosurge
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>>1353198
>Character development
I don't remember much development from the Reyvateils. The only thing memorable was making their MPD worse. Contrast that to 1 and 2, in which the MCs deal with specific psychological issues of each girls.
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>>1350977
Gust calendars since 2019 have been featuring AT characters.....
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>>1355664
As if the Genometrics or the Cosmospheres in the other games didn't do that too. In fact, AT1 has the worst developed Cosmospheres in the whole saga.
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>>1355685
Shikata and her bass range wants some words with you.
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>>1356658
>I don't remember much development from the Reyvateils.
see:
>>1353940
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>>1356658
>Saki's conflict between her feelings for Aoto and her role as a Will
>The reason behind Finnel's pity games and masochism, and her defense mechanisms
>Tyria's whole past

Do you need it put in a clearer way or what?
Also, if the only thing you got from AT3 was the heroines having MPD, you didn't understand the story or setting at all.
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>>1356781
M-m-maybe we're getting an Ar Tonelico 4???
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>>1356984
I see a new Surge Concerto game or a new IP set in the same universe being more likely than they wanted to deal with AT's legal quagmire. And even then, that may depend on how well the Surge Concerto DX ports perform.
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>>1357004
>new IP set in the same universe being more likely than they wanted to deal with AT's legal quagmire
I think they actually sorted out the legal quagmire since they can feature the characters in merch such as calendars recently
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>>1357157
Merch is a different matter from actually making new games or porting them.
Otherwise, how is it that we had stuff like Kurt Hymneth during the last decade, but haven't gotten a new game since 2010?
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>>1356956
no way. At1 had the best Cosmosphere.
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>>1357204
It's a case to case basis. I'm sure Gust isn't in the same batch of sour grapes Monolith Soft has with SE over Gears.
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>>1359159
Two Cosmospheres that follow the same beats and progression after Lv. 6, a Binary Field that pales in comparison to those of the next games and Jakuri's Cosmosphere and no proper story or route-based progression locks. All of those make the AT1 Cosmospheres the worst in the trilogy.
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>>1350977
Let the fire rise.
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>>1359743
>Consistency is bad.
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>>1359817
what are you on about?
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>>1359872
Firebomb the studio.
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>>1359880
What studio?
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Gust needs to go back
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>>1359880
>227x320
>tumblr
Can you not find a better pic?
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>>1360002
Do I need to?
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>>1360063
No, but prepare to be called a faggot.
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>>1360067
Are you perhaps...admiring?
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>>1359868
If you can mistake consistency for bad writing.
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what was their problem?
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>>1360441
They hate smelly things. It's only natural.
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>>1350977
Getting rid of autistic minmaxing via sticking crystals in your gear was a terrible idea and they should've refined that system.
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>>1350977
No hardcore fetishes.
Focus on softening my heart, not hardening my dick.
Actual exploration, this universe has so much potential.
Higher production values, make it pretty.
Don't completely ditch 2D, there's still place for beautiful 2D art (2D backgrounds in Qoga saved some areas).
Oh, and make the combat at least a bit more engaging. These games pretty much beat themselves unless you're a literal amoeba.
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Is it normal that the first time I encountered the Divine Army it absolutely obliterated my ass?
Literally every other fight in the game is piss-easy, but that one required me 9 consecutive retries
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>>1359159
>hahaha we also made Atelier, did you know that? as the bonus level
nah they sucked. AT2 did the gag cosmosphere better with Frelia's.
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Is a sixaxis controller the only way to purge? The one I got the sticks are fucked and I cant find any DS3s.
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>>1362526
Fucked in what way? If they're causing random inputs that's easily fixable.
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>>1362218
Though Frelia's equivalent is Shurelia's Binary Field. Not like it matters though, as the Level Es are just fanservice and aren't part of the actual story or setting.
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>>1361314
very cute
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>>1362566
The left one constantly goes up on its own which makes things really annoying to play. How would I fix it?
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>>1363092
There's a small foam strip inside the controller, all you have to do is wrap some electric tape around it to make it thicker and then put the controller back together to fix it. Look up a video, there's thousands of them. It happens to every old DS3.
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>>1362712
>not part of the actual story
Basically all the cosomospheres after AT1
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>>1363946
You're nobody to be making that claim, which is beyond false too.
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>GOD TIER
EXEC_COSMOFLIPS.
EXEC_HARMONIOUS/.
EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION/.~omness chs ciel sos infel
EXEC_SPHILIA/.
Hartes ciel, melenas walasye.
EXEC_FLIP_FUSIONSPHERE.
>GREAT TIER
EXEC_CHRONICLE=KEY/.
EXEC_VIENA/.
EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION/.~lamenza
METHOD_HYMMELI/.
EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION/.~emptiness
>GOOD TIER
EXEC_PURGER.#Misha extracting
EXEC_HIBERNATION.
METHOD_METAFALICA/.
EXEC_RIG=VEDA/.
METHOD_REPLEKIA.
EXEC_ViiBaCi_MjiiRa/.
EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION.~ee wassa sos yehar
EXEC_PURGER.#Aurica extracting
EXEC_REBIRTHIA=PROTOCOL/.
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Voices of Joined Lives
Singing Hill - Harmonics EOLIA -
>OK TIER
EXEC_CUTYPUMP/.
Ec Tisia ~Tarifa~
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chmod b111000000/n
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EXEC_EP=NOVA/.
>MEH TIER
every other song
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>>1364634
>A R T O N E L I C O tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU112uhON7M
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>>1363946
I agree. But even the DLC is bad on it's own.
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>>1351488
>what needs fixing other than the combat in the 3rd game?
The writing is objectively atrocious and the innuendo got old in the first game real fast.

But maybe you're the kind of person that enjoys listening to Finnel talk about logs of shit for hours.
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>>1365029
Objectively atrocious... Yeah, of course, when the writing in AT1 is far worse. AT3 at least did bother handling its final boss a lot better than AT1 did.
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>>1365292
Which was how?
I don't think you actually know what you're communicating.
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>>1364683
Thank you for this, makes me miss the old /jp/ GUST threads a bit though.
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>>1350977
Stop making the gameplay so shit, doesnt even have to be good just make it so its not a slog.
Calm down a bit with the fetishes.
Return to AT2s bait and switch heroines where they are popular tropes but either dialed up way too high or were lying to your face.
More cut crafting skits
Cut out the OHHH THIRD WALL BREAKING HAHA
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>>1365369
The one who remembers nothing is you.

>AT1: "let's save Mir!"
>Proceed to beat the crap out of her regardless of if the player is going for the bad or true ending.

>AT3: "let's ask Ar Ciel for forgiveness and to accept the Heart we're bringing as an offer of peace"
>Proceed to a battle in which trying to hit Ciela just ends in pain and the music being cut off, and the player has to actually use the song of the Reyvateils to appease her.

Any questions?
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>>1365578
The fourth wall breaking was part and parcel of Surge Concerto's premise. Also, as if Finnel, Cas and Ion weren't stereotypes turned on their heads every bit as Luca and Cloche were.
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>>1365623
What stereotype was Ion lmao?
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>>1365620
>"writing"
are you retarded? Or are you retarded?
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>>1365885
The kind girl that martirizes herself for everybody and who has geeky obsession.

>>1365972
The way gameplay flows into the writing is also part of it, imbecile. Or is your only braincell in need of company?
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>>1365990
>The way gameplay flows into the writing is also part of it
I really only ever felt that way about the combat and side activities in AT2.
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>>1365292
The series in general has terrible writing. So an obvious way to improve the series is with better writing.
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>>1350977
by adding more Ion.
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Go back to what made the first 2 games work
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>>1366380
I shudder to think what would qualify as good writing to someone of such lofty standards.
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>>1365990
>"writing" is an umbrella term that means whatever I need to sound like I have an opinion.
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>>1366522
Fix your own writing before criticizing others
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>>1366767
But it's your "writing" they're mocking.
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>>1350977
Lesbian protagonist.
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Are we getting nosurge DX?
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>>1367104
We're getting nothing, the re-release was for milking the last cash out of the Japanese fanbase. Gust is KT's low budget calendar filler (Fairy Tale, Knights of Azure, etc) and Atelier dev only.
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>>1366464
At least above teen novel level.
The crystal installs only appeal to mentally immature children, so that can go too.

Then again the series was always low brow. But it's a shame several great aspects of the series (like the music) is wasted on something that could be so much better.
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>>1367229
The music was tailor-made for these games, and it goes hand-in-hand with the characters, story and setting. So no, it's not wasted at all on them.

Also, complaining about a game being "immature" given its CERO and ESRB ratings, and how maturing and acceptance are its core tenets seems pretty idiotic to me.
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>>1367327
yeah and all the effort put into the music is like composing a symphony for a fat woman taking a shit
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>>1354399
You know what? Keep the series dead
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>>1368305
Ar Tonelico 5: Interlude to Inceila
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>>1367940
Your stupidity is truly boundless.
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>>1354399
>black Reyvateils
Not necessarily a terrible thing if they're designed right
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>>1369492
While not Reyvateils, Nelico and Zill's Ciel nosurge designs show it could work. And there's also Yuo from Misha's drama CD.
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Can someone please remind me what exactly is preventing new Ar Tonelico and/or Surge Concerto games from being made?
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>>1369635
Money. They make more of it just re-releasing the same game with new girl designs every year.
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>>1369635
The rights to the first three games are fucked since they were a collab between Gust and Banpresto. Gust was bought by Koei Tecmo and Banpresto by Bandai Namco.
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>>1367327
>Also, complaining about a game being "immature" given its CERO and ESRB ratings, and how maturing and acceptance are its core tenets seems pretty idiotic to me.
If you for even a second think that these games are mature you're legit mentally underdeveloped or a child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB4_7l6cA8

The target audience is pre-teens.
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>>1369735
We had themes like human experimentation, racism, child abandonment, overpopulation, civil war, genocide and environmentalism in these games, and they're generally treated with the proper gravitas they deserve (Cloche's PTSD, Luca's abandonment and attachment issues, Finnel's defense mechanism, Aurica's depression, Ion's dark side, Tyria losing half of her song, Ar Ciel's state, Ra Ciela's fate at Ciel nosurge's end... and the list goes on and on).

If you still call them immature despite all that over a single scene, I can confirm the only child here is you and you shouldn't even be here to start with.
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>>1369735
>The target audience is pre-teens.
Hah, don't kid yourself. Even back when it was released, grown adults were the main audience for this.
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>>1369635
AT, it was already explained by >>1369654

Surge Concerto bombed horribly in its original Vita and PS3 releases, and it seems they're testing the waters with the DX ports. I'd guess that if despite being released on two consoles with large install bases and Steam (despite the fact they idiotically region-locked these games to Japan in Steam), these ports fail again, we can kiss any possibility of new Surge Concerto games or new IPs set in the same universe goodbye,
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>>1370058
>Surge Concerto bombed horribly in its original Vita and PS3 releases
No shit, what were they thinking about putting possibly the best plot in the whole franchise into some bizarre visualnovel-tamagochi hibrid stuff instead of a proper videogame like the sequel?
Also, why the fuck do companies use HD ports as a way to "test the waters"? Who in the world would buy again games they already have?
God if only I had the money to directly fund the developers...!
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>>1370404
First, it's not a tamagotchi, as you don't have to be feeding Ion or cleaning up after her. She does all her stuff on her own regardless of the player being there or not, and our role is merely supportive to have her recover her memories or give her someone to talk with.

Second, nobody can fault Tsuchiya for trying out new stuff, given his track record in everything he has directed. Plus, if anything, these ports will allow these games to reach more players than if they were locked to the Vita.
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Starting Ar Tonelico 1 after work, what am I in for?
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>>1370732
Slow as molasses gameplay, excellent setting and music, decent characters, and a by-the-numbers plot until the last third of the game.
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>>1370058
>despite the fact they idiotically region-locked these games to Japan in Steam
I have no idea why they keep doing this, do they hate money or are they afraid of idiotic western game journalists bashing the games? Region locking in general makes me irrationally angry.
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>>1370862
Yeah. That's the single most idiotic move KT did with Surge Concerto.
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Do the game cracking groups ever release games not available in the US? I'm hoping I'll at least be able to pirate the thing if I can't buy it.
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>>1370732
Very low production values.
Excellent setting, but ruined by a rather predictable plot.
Great combat, but ruined by being braindead easy.
Great characters, but ruined by a bland protagonist.
Also, let me dispel 2 very widespread prejudices about this game:
1) It's not true that the game is "full" of sexual innuendo. It's literally just 2 cutscenes or little more.
2) The soundtrack is actually not THAT great overall, but it's still true that some particular songs are among the best in video game history.
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>>1370988
The setting is anything but ruined by the plot. And while Lyner may have his weak spots, at least he does have some development to his name.
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>>1371272
he does?
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>>1370792
>>1370988
Thanks anons.
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>>1371281
Explain then how a hotheaded idiot who could think about solving his problems by swinging his sword around ended up being the one to lead the party in an emotionally-charged situation and also being the one to quell a 400 year-old hatred.
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>>1371632
He still beat the 400 year old hatred by stabbing it with a sword.
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>>1372064
Which is a bad case of gameplay and story segregation. Also, that sword isn't made for stabbing, as it does damage through blunt force.
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>>1371632
He didn't.
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>>1373566
Yeah. The groups that grew were Misha and Aurica plus the folks on the tower that repaired the space ship.
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>>1373566
Selective obliviousness at its finest.
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>>1373905
Provide 5 (five) examples of his character growth.
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>>1374483

1. Taking Claire's lesson of "not everything can be solved by violence", and "protecting your partner doesn't mean just physically shielding her" to heart, as it turns out to be the case in Misha's path during the confrontation in the tower with the Tenba and Teru people, and later on when Misha/Aurica ask him to let them participate in the final battle and him letting them.
2. Going from somebody who just receives orders to becoming who issues them during the time Leard was kidnapped. Ultimately it was him who initiated and led the rescue.
3. Realizing that while Shurelia remaining asleep would be the easy way out, that's no different from leaving Misha to sing in the Chronicle for the next 30 years.
4. Taking the time and effort to understand Mir and how to save her, instead of just swooping in to kill her.
5. The simple fact he never stopped seeing Ayatane as a friend despite him being the two things he hates the most: a virus and a traitor.
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>>1366403
One more week plus x for shipping until lots and lots of トントン.
I hope customs will be gentle to Ion's parcel.
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>>1375138
The longest wait ever. The customs costs alone are a scary perspective...
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>>1375138
>having Ion cut her hair
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>>1369811
absolutely this right here. only a 12 year old that can't see past the jokes would think the games are immature.





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