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why does pillars of eternity make so many people seethe?
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>>1341838
because it comes so close to being good, but the writing and voice acting drags it down from what could have been a 10/10 to a 6/10. The writing is infuriatingly terrible. The companions are boring as fuck. The gods are lame. The dialogue is cringe. It does have a decent ruleset, aesthetic, and political setting, but the writing just takes a giant shit on all that could have been good.
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>>1341838
Pretty garbage final act, and the first two hours and last 2 are what makes up a person’s impression of a game
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>>1341865
>garbage final act
98% of people that play games never get to the second act let alone the final act
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>>1341838
It has to provoke any emotions in order to make people ssethe.
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>>1341838
It is both popular and underwhelming with flashes of potential. This board hates that.
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>>1341838
It's almost as if a story about real life nihilism is going to make some people uncomfortable.
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>>1341838
Its both a 10 and a 6.The sequel is worse in every aspect but the combat and gameplay.
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>>1341838
still begging to sell the setting, josh?
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>>1341943
The dumb thing is that the setting and world building can be good and are solid.But the companions except 2 and the story is eeh.(especially in 2)
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>>1341943
The setting is already being turned into a AAA powerhouse by microsoft called avowed
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>>1341938
Just like Shrek 2 is worse in every way except the moviewatch.
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>>1341838
The writing is abysmal, the characters are boring, or at least most of them are, the world is poorly presented, the soundtrack is generic, and so on. It could be so much better than it was.
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>>1341838
It’s literally a loud minority of seethers.
Most people enjoy the games
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>>1342284
The series failed tho’.
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>>1342291
Microsoft bought Obsidian because of the series
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>>1342291
It's been repeated time and time again that the series has very long legs, which however is not enough for a small studio. PoE II made more in the first month than Planescape: Torment in total.
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>>1341838
It's boring as fuck. I couldn't get past act 1, because I had absolutely 0 investment in what's going on.
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>>1342291
By what metric?

Microsoft bought the entire studio and immediately put them to work on a Pillars spinoff, so obviously the franchise isn't dead yet.
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>>1341838
Pros and Cons if PoE (never played the second)

Pros:
>Strong worldbuilding
>Interesting reincarnation theme
>Lots of build options
>Solid aesthetics despite the old style isometric design

Cons:
>Story shits the bed in the finale
>Few memorable sidequests
>Every companion that isn't Eder, Aloth, or Durance is one note and boring
>RTWP
>Despite lots of build options, many fights seem samey
>Combat seems to have no average curve. It's either too easy or too hard in a first playthrough

It's not a bad game by any means. I enjoyed it while playing it, but I simply can't be bothered to replay it which is a massive failing for an RPG.
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>>1342369
>Every companion that isn't Eder, Aloth, or Durance is one note and boring
Hiravias is pretty cool.
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>>1341838
Pallegina is based
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>>1342381
Is that the druid not-halfling? I vaguely remember some stuff about him being a bit of a shitposter, but I got him so late into the game I only got like one conversation with him.
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>>1342393
Yeah the furry manlet guy. He has some of my favorite banter in the game.
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>>1341838
I wish it made me seethe, that would be at least some emotion.
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>>1341838
I finished the game at release and I honestly don't remember anything about it, so idk.
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>>1342381
He was great, I also really liked that monk Zahua
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>>1342429
The only decent companion in the dlcs.Maneha idk what the fuck was and the devil felt like a shitty teen hookup with a way too religious girl.All the teasing just to for the climax to be left up in the air.
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>>1342369
>strong worldbuilding

felt more like obsessive worldbuilding, to the detriment of the actual world.
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>>1342435
>All the teasing just to for the climax to be left up in the air.
The climax is she walks into the ocean and dies.

You find her body in PoE2 and can use it as armor.
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>>1342472
>second spoiler
That's fucked up
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>>1342538
To be fair, she was literally just a fancy suit of armor with a soul forced into it. So once the soul is gone, you just have a fancy suit of armor.
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>>1342369
I agree more with >>1342456
So much worldbuilding was thrown at me and I was completely uninvested. I can't pin down why, but there are games where I'll devour any lore tidbits or books I find and PoE was the opposite. I needed to care about the story and characters before I could care about the world

Also >>1342429 Zahua was great, hands down the best companion in the game. Travesty that they didn't bring him back for 2
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>>1342580
>Travesty that they didn't bring him back for 2
Kinda hard to bring him into the second game considering almost none of his endings would work for it.
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>>1341838
it doesn't make me seethe
the gameplay is fine I just think it's a very uninspired game and a complete waste of potential, the only companion I like is Èder and the story is overall pretty boring
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>>1341861

This. It's basically, "this is why good writing shows and doesn't tell," the game.
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>>1341838
For all it's fault I actually enjoyed the first one. Second one is just shit though.
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>>1342381
>>1342369
I'm still fucking mad at all the cut content. Like Cadegund was cut thanks to the boobplate controversy (thanks to Josh) then there's the cut Iovara companion too. there was an anon back in /crpgg/ trying to restore it though. Wonder if he did it.
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>>1342848
>then there's the cut Iovara companion too
what the fuck I never heard about this before??
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>>1341838
>How dare u compliment i

This is how SJWs think.
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>>1342956
From what I remember of what that anon said he says you can find some remnants of it in the voice files. She has selection and combat barks and a special ending where she fights Thaos with you.
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>>1341838
It has black and brown people in it as well as gay and bisexual and the reactionaries on the board can't cope at this display of progressive fantasy
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>>1342400
Guy told Thaos to go fuck himself, that's pretty cool. I liked Pallegina too. PoE 2 companions are almost all shit though, only cool guy is the midget pirate.
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>>1341861
fpbp
>>1341838
very high expectations but an above average delivery.
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>>1341838
because it's a mediocre game pandering to misplaced nostalgia
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>>1343058
>*blocks your path*
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>>1343652
The black Paladin girl from Wrath is really chill as well.

Too bad Owlcat took the Paizo pozpill.
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>>1341838
I dropped it mid game because the story was getting boring and the new companions had the personality of a potato I was required to stick with them for plot reasons. At the same time, I realised most of the time and resources I had spent in upgrading my fortress were pretty much a total waste. Although that was a long time ago before the DLCs were released. Maybe I'll give the game another try once I'm done with Pathfinder.
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>>1343702
Based Paizo and Owlcat creating more progressive fantasy adventures
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>>1342381
>his stunt with the bomb-obsessed non-halfling from the White Marches prompted by Eder
I replayed the game for the first time since it came out and he brings a lot of MUCH needed levity into the setting/story. Easily one of the better companions.
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>>1343652
For a Mary Sue, Ekun is a pretty good character on top of being very useful in a party.
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>>1343833
I don't know why you would call him a mary sue.
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>>1342456
To me the lore of PoE has always felt like placeholder lore, like it was just there until someone thought of something better but no one ever did.
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>>1344091
That's cause according to Ziets during the brainstorming session for Pillars, Feargus rather than choosing the idea everyone liked the best decided to combine elements of them all.
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>>1342387

Darkies can't be based
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>>1341877
LOL this. The only emotion I feel about it is all the shills acting like it was the second coming of CRPGs, and I'm not sure whether it's disdain or amusement.
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>>1344211
Slang term “based” was invented by black people dumbass
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>>1342964
Is it even a joke, and if so, how?
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>>1341838
Great games are often divisive
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>>1343702
She's making incel seethe so hard
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>>1343652
people didn't stop bitching about eikun being a black man and one of the OP characters for months until they realized he's 'based' as a minister
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>>1344320
Eh. I kinda get that people don't like how she's not exactly what you'd expect from a paladin, but I'm glad they didn't go for the CLEAVE AND SMITE memedin angle. I like that she's pretty laid-back and doesn't look down on people who happen to not be lawful stupid.
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>>1344225
doesn't matter i hate black people so they can't be based
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>>1344447
If you hate black people, why are you using black people slang?

I bet you even listen to rap music, you faggot.
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>>1344225
not a surprise, white people culture is just jazz (huwhites call it persona like)
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>>1344583
>persona like
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>>1341838
Because it is boring.
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>>1342284
>It’s literally a loud minority of seethers.
>Most people enjoy the games
For a successfully marketed game without catastrophic fuckups that make it literally unplayable (or at least unplayable for a barely-sentient normalfag), this is saying absolutely nothing of value.

The game could have been even more popular and successful than it was, had it delivered on expectations.
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>>1341838
>didn’t give the black queen an African nose or lips

Fuck off racist
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>>1342472
>>1342538
Actually you can only use her body as armor if you don't let her kill the guy in 1 so she doesn't find peace but instead goes around killing people until she's killed and gets turned into armor

Which fucking sucks because that armor is THE BEST heavy armor in 2.
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>>1344225
"Based" is not slang. It's the root of "debased", and means to display high value. Based has been in common used since Anglo-French times.
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>>1343652
that LG gigachad was my favorite companion to be honest
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>>1344716
I like tyranny the best
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>>1344964
The lack of support and expansions killed it
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>>1344964
The lore seems neat. I didn't get a good feeling from the "fork in the road" style of decision making, but it could work.
I dropped it after (during) the first combat.
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>>1342645
>5.
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>>1344037
maybe he doesn't know it's called a Gary Stu for men
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>>1341874
>therefore it doesn't matter
cuck
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>>1341978
An open world RPG with a complicated adult setting and tons of different abilities from it being DnD inspired sounds great. Until I think of how that setting seemed very very bland and that they're probably going to screw the gameplay up and have a boring shallow open world.
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>>1345041
Tyranny absolutely needs multiple replays to really appreciate. Same with Alpha Protocol to a lesser degree and you could absolutely tell most reviewers never did that.
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>>1345411
>Until I think of how that setting seemed very very bland
One of the most advanced countries in their world is predominantly dark skinned so it is going to be very based when the game gets closer to release and anons have mental breakdowns about black people in fantasy
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>>1343652
Is this from pozfinder?
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>>1344661
>t.doesn't know what Ethiopians are
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>>1345461
If they are banking on race baiting anons as you claim in order to seem different and unique that is a huge red flag the world is actually going to be bland and shitty in all other respects
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>>1346407
I think the land of gay fish men make it very unique
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>>1346153
Palegina had huge lips in POE1. The artist drew her wrong.
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>>1346547
i can barely distinguish her face from aloth's
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>>1345461
>setting is interesting because of a society of advanced black people
My own personal homebrew setting has that too and it gives their society more character, flavor, and culture than just being advanced. So what about Pillars? There has to be a lot more going on to make a setting as a whole interesting than [race/society] has [one trait]. Dragon Age had second class citizen elves, and went into interesting details about it with conquest, religion, elven history, alienages, and yet still had much more going on than elves with the fade, the blight, political conflict, and other races. What about PoE is interesting to you? When playing PoE I was given lots of lore dumps at the start about all these places and people and it didn't make a good impression, nothing really stood out and interested me. In Tyranny immediately there's an evil world empire run by a mysterious ruler, and you work for them. In Tyranny immediately there are factions with character and interesting leaders with personalities, the Disfavored elite near immortal warriors, the wild and brutal darwinist Chorus, and more.
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I think the vailians have plenty of character.
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>>1346677
The real shame in POE is that the plot with the god civil war and the bomb being defended by the rpg party at the bridge would have been a better plot than the Lead Key snoozer.
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>>1341838
Don't know either, the game is really good, battles are less of a slog at the end compared to DOS2, and the world is way more believable. People who complain about the writing being bad are the type of idiots who pretend their personal feelings about the story equate to an objective flaw. Quests are formulaic gameplay wise though.

>>1346696
The Hollowborn and how it affects Dyrwood is way more interesting than another generic "party vs godlike being" story
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>>1346677
>What about PoE is interesting to you?
All of the women in the game are very beautiful
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I backed POE in the first Kickstarter but never played it. I realised I hate RTwP. Maybe I should try it out.
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>>1346677
Yeah it's so unique no one has ever thought of doing that before. There's much richness and culture in melanin.
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>>1347185
Venice is cool and is underutilized prototype for a culture. I’d prefer if they didn’t use bantu skull features, because they are quite ugly.
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>>1347185
It is an underused setting so it will be interesting
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>>1341838
Cope
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>>1347366
Cope with what?
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>>1346772
Maxing Maia's rifle is fun
>Gunner: -20% Reload
>Acina's Tricorn: -10% Reload
>Orishia: -10% Recovery,
>Sharpshooter's Garb: -20% Reload
At some point it just turns into an AK-47
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>>1346772
Too bad maia usuall leaves if you dont side with her shitty rdc and xoti can pull a crazy bitch end.
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>>1347185
That artwork looks grotesque
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>>1347389
Maia being a stone cold military sniper is great. Obsidian saw it through to its logical conclusion she wasn’t going to betray her country
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Game 2 changed aesthetic too much, games can't decide between medieval and early modern period alethic, sjw shit is there, if not too pronounced... So it's meh.
>>1346772
>>1347402
but can you impregnate her shark pussy?
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>>1347422
Only if ur a aumaua yourself.Races cant mix in eora.Also all the epilgoues especially romance ones are heavy cliffhangers.
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>>1347389
I actually liked that Maia and Pallegine were consistent in their ideologies and didn't let themselves be pushovers. Companions shouldn't be agenda-free followers. At least not all of them.
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>>1347457
People bitch about Pallegina in 2nd game but I like that she develops worse from the 1st game and double down on her fanaticism for her homeland
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>>1346734
>The Hollowborn and how it affects Dyrwood is way more interesting than another generic "party vs godlike being" story
Ok, but that's not the plot. The plot is about chasing some guy who may or may not be able to stop you from possibly some day developing dementia.
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>>1342369
>never played the second
Honestly, most of your Pros and Cons apply to Deadfire as well.
Only the combat and levelling is better this time thanks to multiclassing enabling a variety of fun builds.
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>>1341861
Truth
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>>1342645
>mfw 3 is for if you CHIM and understand you are a mere simulacrum of a thinking being being controlled by an unknowable superbeing for it's entertainment via simulated reality.
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>>1347659
>for it's entertainment
>in PoE
Eh
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>>1341838
A first act featuring a town where children are stillborn or drooling retards without souls is too not fun.
The names of all the races and factions are too forgettable. There's no visual associations, or context cues to give you real world references. Like space-gypsies, or fantasy Japan.
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>>1348220
>There's no visual associations, or context cues to give you real world references.
jesus are you blind?

poe couldn't be more derivative of real world cultures if it wanted to
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>>1348220
> fantasy Japan
rauatai is fantasy Japan
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>>1348220
For the most part, the NPC names and fashion give the real life associations. Rauatai is Japan, Ixamitl is Aztecs, Vailian Republics are black Venetians. Some of these associations are uber-obvious, especially in Deadfire, where Vailians are almost satirically Italian. Aedyr is a bit of a special case since it combines British names with a tropical climate and Roman fashion, so I'll give you that. However for the most part it shines through that Josh Sawyer is a European history geek. Even Waidwen is based on a real guy, Hans Böhm.
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>>1348503
>black Venetians.
As compared to what?
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>>1344335
>"based"
not sure why that's in quotes.
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I had an amazing time with Pillars 1 and 2. It was after a Baldur's Gate binge so I was really smooth with RTwP, I heard bad things about Pillars so I almost didn't play it, but then I sunk my teeth into the richest, most comfy RPG system.
I really get off on character creation. I made a full custom party and roleplayed their story myself, killed all the NPCs like Pallegrina or whoever and looted their bodies. Original characters in the party and no annoying dialogue, best way to play Pillars.
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First game has great thematic consistency and some of the best bits of writing in crpgs, in particular the DLC and Zahua's quest. Combat has problems, in particular the lack of depth of the rest system, which in the absence of weight / time limits / meaningful supply restrictions, just feels incomplete.

Second game has a really great combat system, despite once again lacking a rest system with depth. The writing shits the bed both in main story and companions, and the content is badly balanced, you end up playing at least 50% of the content while max level.

I have 500h in both and I think they are inferior to kingmaker
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>>1348650
>you end up playing at least 50% of the content while max level.
I was lucky enough to catch wind of this mid-game and found a guide online how to slow down XP gains.
https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/98907-modtweak-xp-gain-modifier/
I downsized it by 20%, this way level gains felt more natural. I maxed around halfway through the last DLC and with nothing more left but the finale, some bounties and the bonus bosses.
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>lvl 8 by the start of act 3 of the first game
Am I doing something wrong?
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>>1349257
no
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Should I bother playing the first game, or skip right to the second?
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>>1349272
The second one is a direct sequel to the first one, so play them in order
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>>1341838
>why does pillars of eternity make so many people seethe?
well, now we see why..
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>>1348220
>no ... context cues to give you real world references
mental development defects, for real you can't make this shit up
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>>1343652
Blacks don't live in temperate forests, only humans do
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>>1350366
Cope and seethe that fantasy will never be your white supremacy fairytale ever again
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>>1350389
You can literally kill Ekun or tell him to fuck off righ when you meet him.
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>>1350392
>th-the games not actually leftie if I ignore all the side quests, content, story, characters, plot, art, writing
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>>1350405
Honestly I cringed hard when the barkeep starts swooning over him for that reason, but he's actually pretty dope outside of that. Still if I or someone else wanted to go full 14/88 then it's perfectly viable. Hell the games LG choices even have you exterminate almost the "undesirables" you come across just for their race.
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>>1345411
>DnD inspired
This is what I hated the most about it. d20 systems have always been trash.
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>>1350423
>perfectly viable
It is viable to pretend you're Sonic the Hedgehog too in Kingmaker but don't think that it is what is actually happening in the game and not in your imagination. Like I said: Cope
Because that is what you are actually doing anyway.
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>>1350518
I don't think I'm the one coping and you're definitely seething. gg no re
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>>1341838
it just boring i did not even finished the first game and the second game is really short so i finished it but i do not even remember any of the companion or strong moment it was just meh with bad writing ... atleast the ost is good
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>>1342284
that is not the case Kingmaker did sell a lot more and is played by a lot more people than poe 1-2
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>>1350570
How is that a metric for how people enjoy the series? Even if it has less players how do you judge that those that play the game the majority did not like it? If that was true the games would have mixed reception on Steam reviews not the high ratings they do
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>>1350570
Ah but PoE is the series getting the big money console sequel. Checkmate libtard
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>>1341861
>The companions are boring as fuck.
/thread
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>>1350570
*most people who play POE enjoy the game
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>>1342284
seethe more..

if they did a decent pillars 2, nobody would complain, instead they created this woke piece of shit that plays nothing like pillars 1
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>>1344225
orignally maybe, but people only use now after whites on this fucking starting using it post-ironically.
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>>1342456
>felt more like obsessive worldbuilding, to the detriment of the actual world.
Same, it's not bad, but it's not good either. Dyrwood feels like forced plotarmoured country, and the rest are just there to be the evil oppressors. I probably would not care about that if they allowed me to fuck up with Drywood and their pussy antics, but story progression did not allow this. It was scripted into siding with them and it then throw you into that one sided ending.
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>>1352580
>seethe more..
what is there to seethe about when the series is getting another game?
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>>1352580
>woke
Go back.
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>>1346772
They look better now but the launch portraits were so ugly.
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>>1341838
Just poltards getting upset because gay people exist.

Honestly my few problems with the game is that ship combat was bad, you can't hunt sea monsters and josh sawyer crippled ranged monks for the sake of balance.

Other than that its a really charming game, all the class stuff was handled really well and I liked all the characters but I miss Durance
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>>1344707
yet the context in which it was used was invented by black people but what evs do the typical bullshit anglos are known best for, steal somthing don't give credit and claim you invented it
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Remind me, how does anything in PoE make sense?

>this one country/region has a curse on it causing massive amounts of literal soulless children to be born, more and more every year
>looks like a nice place to move in! It's free real estate! (main character is somehow completely oblivious to Waidwen's Legacy and never heard of it)

>2000 years conspiracy to keep the nature of gods secret
>still fail, mostly because of one strong wymyn (that spy lady) and another strong wymyn (your past self)

>engwithians find out there are no gods
>lets create some gods
>instead of making some nice gods of booba and wine create a bunch of abhorrent autistic AIs, almost half of the pantheon deals with a different kind of death and destruction, mostly in ugly and gruesome form

Like what the actual fuck.
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>>1354982
>>engwithians find out there are no gods
>>lets create some gods
>>instead of making some nice gods of booba and wine create a bunch of abhorrent autistic AIs, almost half of the pantheon deals with a different kind of death and destruction, mostly in ugly and gruesome form
The Engwithans created their gods to exert cultural control on the lands, which is why you have a god like Skaen who is a pretty shit god for rebellion since he asks peasants to rebel in the most ineffectual ways by mutilating themselves in the hopes he intervenes on their behalf. Which he rarely does.
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>>1350366
He's from a desert nation, retard.
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>>1354982
>this one country/region has a curse on it causing massive amounts of literal soulless children to be born, more and more every year
>looks like a nice place to move in! It's free real estate! (main character is somehow completely oblivious to Waidwen's Legacy and never heard of it)
The Watcher's motivation for coming to the Dyrwood depends on your backstory, but most of the time it's because they have nowhere else to go or are on the run. As far as NPCs go, it's the other way around, there's been an exodus of commoners (e.g. to Dyrford) and only the desperate still come here. You can talk about this with Callista, who only joined the caravan so she could visit her sister. Concerning your 2nd point, why doesn't the Courier know about the NCR? Why have the Source Hunters never heard of the Legion before? What RPG doesn't have the trope of the oblivious protagonist?

>2000 years conspiracy to keep the nature of gods secret
>still fail, mostly because of one strong wymyn (that spy lady) and another strong wymyn (your past self)
Iovara confined herself to eternal torture for a one-in-a-million chance of her cause succeeding a few thousand years down the road. Lady Webb dedicated her entire life to creating and maintaining Dunryd Row and it still failed, her work would've been for nothing if it wasn't for the Watcher.

>instead of making some nice gods of booba and wine create a bunch of abhorrent autistic AIs, almost half of the pantheon deals with a different kind of death and destruction, mostly in ugly and gruesome form
Fear is a potent subjugator.
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>>1341838
I tried to play both the first and second game but the writing is really shitty and dragged out
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fucking npcs with gold plates.
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>>1358806
I haven't played the game for a long time but I'm pretty sure there was a mod to remove those annoying Mary Sues (OC DONUT STEEL).
Also you can just kill and loot them with no consequences.
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>>1354982
These are the people saying the series has bad writing?
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>>1354642
>Durance
Avellone was gone so they canned him.
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>>1342284
PoE2 is more controversial.Mainly bc it feels so out of place with 1 and the Watcher's and even returning companions become flanderizations of their original self.Im playing it and its fun and a good game but i cant deny the story and companions are way weaker than the first one.Im hoping Awoed will be better.
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>>1341838
Because we got cucked out of Ydwin.
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>>1359312
>PoE2 is more controversial
If it was controversial it would impact the reviews on the game
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>>1350570
I bought kingmaker when it first released, played a grand total of 4h before being bored to death. Just because a game is purchased, doesn't make it good. Many AAA titles that get purchased, but are below standards.
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>>1358806
>>1358846
I just ignored them once I realized what they were. It's easy.
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>>1359916
Asking for basic literacy in wrpg players to notice gold plates are backer rewards is asking too much
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>>1359460
I meant with fans,since a lot of people seem to not be sure what to feel about the second game,its closer to lukewarm than anything else.
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>>1352666
To where? Nothing wrong with calling out woke shit. If you think that's a /pol/-only thing, you are sorely mistaken.
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>>1360102
Sure, but there's nothing woke about the world of Deadfire.
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>>1359923
Whenever I see anons citing the backer NPCs as reason not to play the game I imagine pic related. When I played the game I read the first one I came across, got the gist of it and never talked to them again. Gameplay and story wise it makes no difference. Though maybe the devs should've made that clearer.
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>>1360123
They tell you during loading screens that gold plated npcs are backer rewards
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I thought the setting was pretty boring. Never read about a place I would want a game to be set in. I didn't like how they just threw enemies at you almost felt like loot game.
All in all it was meh. Didn't have strong feelings about it and didn't put the effort to play the sequel.
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>>1341838
I think Deadfire made more people seethe than POE1, mainly fans of the first game. It all comes down to what one anon said in a previous thread, it's a good enough game, just not a good sequel to 1.
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>>1360216
>POE 1 7/10 generic but remaining fans saw the potential
>POE 2 5/10 with 8/10 gameplay
Love Sawyer but he let us down.
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>>1360112
So make that argument faggot instead of just acting like a braindead leftoid shill.
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>>1360112
>>1361244
PS
t. someone who hasn't played PoE but is mildly curious about it and would appreciate actual facts and reasoned opinions about the game and not just political shit-flinging.
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>>1361253
In Deadfire you have several fantasy colonial powers fighting over an archipelago. You can help any of these powers as you wish, you can aid the natives or help the pirates that are profiting from the conflict.
The game treats these colonial powers realistically, there is slavery, there is corruption, there are people that think they are uplifting the natives, there are even natives that have betrayed their own and are helping the colonial powers.
This is where the real game is, the main quest of chasing a statue is just a small part of it with the faction interplay the real meat of the game.
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>>1361379
Thanks
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>>1341838
because its better than pathfinder
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>>1361507
Based and truthpilled
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>1361537
>replying to your own posts
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>>1361244
>braindead leftoid shill
Nobody with a brain is going to engage in a conversation with you when you out yourself as a drooling retard this quickly. Perhaps /v/ is more up your speed
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>>1341861
based and redpilled
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>>1342606
To be fair some of Aloth and Eder’s endings in 1 don’t make sense for them to be present in 2, particularly Eder’s one where he becomes mayor of Dyrford. That says he makes it similar to the Gilded Vale of his childhood and I’m expected to believe that only takes 5 years?

Pallegina was the only one who made sense to be in 2 and I leave her on the ship every time because her character is way more one-note than in the first game. Honestly, they should have just left the first game companions out and made some of the sidekick characters into proper companions.
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>>1344698
Id argue it’s the best armour in true game alongside that Benny dudes leather armour and the native-looking armour that increases action speed the more engaged enemies there are.

I’m just still annoyed most of the soul bound items in Deadfire are worthless and aren’t really viable to use. Only ones I can think of that are is the dagger and the battle axe from the arena dlc.
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>>1361637
they should have had no ties to the first game at all
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>>1347387
Even better when you give her the Red Dragon (I think that was its name) rifle that can shoot twice before reloading and has that stacking bonus whenever you kill something (which can overlap with its original version if you upgrade the perk). Before I stopped playing my last playthrough she takes 60% more damage but dishes out an extra 60% in turn. It was pretty fucking nuts
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>>1359296
Was it before the #metoo shit or was that why he wasn't involved with PoE2? Durance was my favorite and I wanted him in the sequel instead of Xoti and her annoying stereotypical accent.
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>>1347467
Same. I like what the Valian Wizard sidekick says about Pallegina being similar to herself but taking it to a very unhealthy place.
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>>1361551
If your response to the simply seeing the term "woke" is to say "go back" (>>1352666) then braindead leftoid shill is an appropriate term. Get your act together and stop posting like a drooling retard if you don't want to be called names.
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>>1361714
That post was by me, not by the anon you replied to. And yes, if your only contribution is "hurr woke" without elaborating on it in any way then your best course of action is to fuck off back to /v/.
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>>1361637
Eder is just in it for service. Aloth has a reason of his own to investigate the Archipelago at least, regardless of his ending.
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>>1361755
I feel like Eder and Aloth got in just for the service,im surprised they didnt make eder a romance option too.
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>>1361785
Eder and Aloth have the same va making it cheaper to just bring both back
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>>1362205
>No Durance
Based Ferguson with the business decisions.
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>>1342369
>cons
>rtwp
You were doing well, then you became a homosexual
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I wish there was more to Rekke. I found him far more interesting than the companion choices in deadfire.
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>>1359313
I don’t know why the person whose voice they use for the narrator and yawing pisses me off so much, but I can never use Ydwin because of it.
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I played Poe 2 just so i could fuck Kana sister
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>>1363400
It's Ellie from tlou
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>>1364028
based and sharkpilled
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>>1341838
>seethe
I don't know. I thought it started ok and then it got boring.
It's an inverse NWN2 OC.
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>>1362912
Ferguson can't be stopped
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Main problem with the setting are not the black Italians. Its more like that setting was created by a very unimaginative californian.

You have white people with brown skin, spics, white people, true niggers with shark teeeth.
And bootleg kenders.

And fake Gods. Albeit well characterized which is a shame

Its a mix of everything wrong with a lifeless husk like Josh that just wanted to make a historical setting game.
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>>1365869
>Fake Gods

There's nothing "fake" about them.

>But...but they're artificially created.

Most gods in most pantheons are BORN. For many theologians, that would disqualify them from being "real" gods from the start.

>But...but they're not all-powerful.

As aren't most gods in most mythologies.

>But... but they act like petty humans.

As do most gods in most religions.

I don't know why you'd think there's anything "fake" about them.
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>>1365925
They are fake and gay. As in not either primordial not born from existence like say the Olympians from Titans.

Still I like it better than D&D apotheosis trash.

As I said, honestly they are the part that least worries me from this fucking shit excuse for a setting.


Tyranny could have been good, maybe. But I dont trust obsidian to ever make anything decent anymore.
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>>1359503
>>1350570

1. Check the reviews for both games. Pathfinder is shat on a LOT more than PoE, by both critics and regular reviewers.

2. Check the wikis for both games. Kingmaker's is basically dead - both of them. And a healthy wiki is the first sign of a present and active fanbase. In reality, Kingmaker is mostly played over and over by a - relatively - niche circle of min-maxers and build-obsessed powergamers. Check their forums. 95% of all topics revolve around builds and min-maxing.
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>>1365949
Are you retarded? Every single Olympian god was either:
A. Born
B. A mortal/hero made a god.

Literally the only eternal beings in the Greek pantheon is Chaos, Uranos, and Gaia.
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>>1361446
>Dragonlance

Even that type of basic D&D corny fantasy is something you wont ever get from POE.
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>>1365954
Yes and they are not artificial like in poe what the fuck is your point?
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>>1365959
Half the gods in Shinto religions are also "artificial". What the fuck is your point? Moving the goal post?
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>>1365959
You're an idiot. Most gods in most pantheons can be KILLED.

The gods of Eora cannot, no matter how hard you'd try.
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>>1365963
>>1365967

Its handled like shit, also the second game just shits on their more mysterious aspect.
They are not only artificial for cool nice plot twist, the plot twist should have been always ambiguous. It would be perfect that way.


Btw that stupid elf arc on black clover reminded me of this game.
Soul stuff was the best part of the setting alongside the nihilism as some people said.
The hint at greater powers is nice as well.


Honestly its a setting too tame for its own good. Cant wait for them to shit it even further with avowed. What a disappointment. Fuck I dont want to deal with larian or golarion as well.
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>>1365954
>>1365963
Dnd has really damaged how nerds think polytheistic pantheons acted like
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>>1365869
Look at this poor soul, can't even communicate normally without letting go of his obsession with identity politics
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>>1366084
Yeah its all my head anon rent free and all that jazz.
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>>1365949
One again proving that the people who say the game's setting is bad are drooling retards

>But I dont trust obsidian to ever make anything decent anymore
And in this case, have an ulterior motive as well
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>>1366118
Its not bad. Its forgettable.A worse sin.
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>>1345461
Actual black people dont even care really. They are all looking at street fighter thicc mods.

>>1346677
To be honest tyranny was gay as well, half the fucking military from an elite are women? yeah right. Fantasy right.
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>>1366139
>Can suspend disbelief for all the magical shit the game has
>But can't handle seeing women in the military
Says a lot about you fag, lol
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>>1366154
Well even in fantasy things must have consistency.
If gender does not matter, it does not matter.

Suddenly the one female girl who could rise up and challenge the system and earn respect from men becomes pointless.
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>>1366166
>Suddenly the one female girl who could rise up and challenge the system and earn respect from men becomes pointless.
was this a plot point in tyranny ?
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>>1348235
Isn't rauatai fantasy islanders?

Japan are the other alluded land in poe2. Stormfolk some shit.
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55% Ocean folk
20% Mountain dwarves
10% Meadow folk
5% Island aumaua
10% Other


40% Meadow folk
30% Wood elves
10% Hearth orlans
5% Ocean folk
5% Mountain dwarves
5% Savannah folk
5% Other
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> Vailian Trading Company


Josh just wanted to make some uncharted waters rpg. Poor Josh.
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>>1341838
I got up to just before the final mission and just couldn't be bothered to finish it
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>>1366226
Huana are the fantasy islanders
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>>1366657

Well the name is giveaway. But the Rauatai seems also kinda islander. Stormfolk are the asians.
Its okay to give fantasy races similar cultures to real life but its kinda lazy in poe. I guess other stuff as well.
I think TES already did black imperialistic minded culture with slaves earlier than vailians with redguards. And Imperials are just fucking Romans but its no excuse in poe. Some races do seem like placeholders while other seem more fleshed.
Vailians as being an entire race of godlike for example. Maybe with not so exaggerated features. Now its too late its josh nigger bird race.
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>>1366705
>Vailians as being an entire race of godlike for example
did you not play the games or are you just that illiterate
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>>1365869
being italian, I dropped that shit as soon as I met the black paladin woman
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>>1366885
It's just a suggestion if the lore was different.
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>>1366226
>Japan are the other alluded land in poe2. Stormfolk some shit.
>Being this much of a weeb that you think any asian fantasy is Japan
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>>1366920


Their language is called Seki.
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>>1366940
What famous Asian from history had red hair
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>>1366139
Actual people don't care about gender or race that much period.
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>>1366957
It's fantasy...
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>>1366920
How many other Asian cultures are known as an island nation? :/ There's also other references like their language being called "Seki".
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>>1366166
>the one female girl who could rise up and challenge the system and earn respect from men
Neither POE nor Tyranny has something like that. What's your point?
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>>1367197
Storm folk live in a desert
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>>1366886
No you're not lol
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>>1366886
did everybody clap when you quit the game after being triggered by a fantasy story
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>>1344661
stupid nigger
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>>1366940
>>1367194
>>1367197
rekke is from a mongolian/china region.he is ginger as genghis khan was reported being like by Rashid al-Din,and horses are part of his culture
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>>1341877
this. it's autism: the game.
it reads like a game that was created for that one guy on your friends list who has nothing but hundreds of hours in grand strategy games and various reviews of their historical accuracy

it misses every emotional beat, the hook is pretty weak (in theory good, in practice lost in a shuffle of irrelevant presentation), that and everyone who had an enjoyable run cut off halfway through by Autismo Sawyer's constant patching
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>>1370256
I think the setting is decent, its just the companions and story in both which are garbage.

Except durance.
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>>1370268
Liking durance is a massive red flag
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>>1370310
Why? He really feels a good companion I dont care if you have a hate boner for Chris I like every companion he makes, he unfolds naturally through conversion, is legitimately crazy but makes good points here and there, channels that 16th century 30 years war religious frenzy and rasputin like madness.

Compared to him the rest of the cast are truly bland whores.
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Durance is the best party member and there's nothing you can do about it.
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>>1367185
Only now in the post Amerimutt victory world. But Clapistans days are numbered, and with it goes your egalitarianism, faggot
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>>1370738
>Le day of le rope will be any day now.
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>>1371015
It takes some time for empires to fall. But the writing is on the wall.
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>>1371093
trump losing really broke some brains huh
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>>1371093
The "writing" has been on the wall since 1781. Just... let it go.
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>>1370317
i'm the anon you were originally replying to, and i'm here to confirm that durance is based
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>>1371103
keep telling yourself that
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>>1370693
Don’t worry we ostracized Chris Avallone from the industry. He won’t be writing anymore shit characters again
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>>1371146
I wanna fuck that femboy
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>>1348577
Holy fuck what a chad
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>>1371691
avellone is a type, man. serial apologizers always get fucked over. even if its a little mistake, the second you publicly apologize, you're chum in the water. its sad but the best strategy is to just own whatever you did straight to the grave and never once show weakness.
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>>1370256
>created for that one guy on your friends list who has nothing but hundreds of hours in grand strategy games
Fuck is this why I like it?
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>>1371015
>>1371103
>modern society will last forever
A dumber line than anything in PoE.
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>>1341838
I don't think it does but it was nothing special. When people start comparing it to games that actually made an impact some people react by trashing it.
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>>1368603
Isn't that redundant?
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>>1370738
How can you write this shit and not feel too embarrassed to hit submit
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the /v/ seething over Pillars is literally no different to how twitter seethes over completely benign anime. There's nothing actually offensive about it so they go over it with a fine toothed comb looking for something they can feel offended about.
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>>1341838
they funneled money from Tyranny to fund the sequel.

Did it get any better? I didn't like how your party barely interacts with one another or with you
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>>1371878
Not forever but for your lifetime? Most likely.
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>>1372379
There is a higher level of interaction from the party but I would say a fair amount of the dialogue is worse than the first, a lot of the companions are worse too imo. But if you like the gameplay and the world, the sequel is pretty good,.
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>>1372330
brain poisoning
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>>1372350
But there isn't anything great either.
PoE is just straight mediocre shit with occasional flashes of something good.
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>>1372350
There isn't any seething over poe on 4chan.

People just don't like it.
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Fuck I hated that fucking esquimo dwarf so much, that is not how you write a "savage", and the VA was trash.
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>>1374905
Its kinda like Outer Worlds isn't it?

Looks good on the outside but the writing is so fucking awful you cant even manage to summon the will to hate it
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>>1341838
The writing and setting are least of its problems. The real blandness of PoE are the classes, abilities and combat mechanics. And the fucking balance. It's autistically balanced. You can play a fighter or a wizard or any other class, and they all feel the same.
It's just not a fun game.
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>>1374929
And I played through both games. In terms of writing Deadfire does actually have a pretty interesting premise and I actually like how it played out, even the ending.
The writing in the first one was not good, not bad, just alright, it picks up in White March and Durance is probably my favorite RPG companion.
But as I said, I played through both, and I thought they were boring games. The combat wasn't good because the system wasn't good. It's what happens when you decide to homebrew instead of just using 3.5e like a rational person.
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>>1350570
Based and truthpilled.
Kingmaker is the superior game Obsidianlets.
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>>1365950
>1. Check the reviews for both games. Pathfinder is shat on a LOT more than PoE, by both critics and regular reviewers.
>2. Check the wikis for both games. Kingmaker's is basically dead - both of them. And a healthy wiki is the first sign of a present and active fanbase. In reality, Kingmaker is mostly played over and over by a - relatively - niche circle of min-maxers and build-obsessed powergamers. Check their forums. 95% of all topics revolve around builds and min-maxing.
I'm screen capping this.
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>>1374982
Who cares everyone here is buying and playing the same wrpg anyway
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>>1374922
I laugh a little every time some of you retards pretend to know how to differentiate good writing from bad
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>>1341838
Bumping because I keep opening this thread just to laugh at the OP pic.
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>>1372423
nah it is almost at the peak the problem is we do not have any alternative so next generation will repeat this cycle of decline
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>>1374987
Pathfinder is shat on a lot more on steam
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>>1377844
and played a lot more
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>>1370256
>that and everyone who had an enjoyable run cut off halfway through by Autismo Sawyer's constant patching
That was a crazy time. Every time someone found a build that was actually fun Sawyer destroyed it.
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>>1345461
>One of the most advanced countries in their world is predominantly dark skinned
Magical negroes have been a thing in fantasy since forever. People only get mad when said magical negroes are just an irl euro culture made SSA black, like PoE with italian merchant republics and general renaissance shit.
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>>1378140
oh no the precious euro culture is black in this fantasy instead of white like in other fantasy
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>>1378147
I honestly don't get why you fuckers even defend this kind of creatively bankrupt behaviour.
It's offensive both to whites AND niggers: whites because it's cultural appropriation, niggers because the direct implication is that the only way to get them into the game is by gifting them white everything aside from phenotype, the writers can't even imagine the concept of an advanced properly nigger culture.
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>>1378164
It's not offensive to anybody you retarded SJW monkey.
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>>1378173
>no it's not + insult
I'm in awe at your debate skills.
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>>1378164
Most euro countries were built on the back of colonization so nobody gives a shit if black or brown people are representing a culture they helped build
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>>1370317
>Why?
Because the anon you were replying to is in it for the (You)s.
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>>1378211
>renaissance Italy
>built on the back of colonization
That's high school dropout tier ignorance.
>Most euro countries were built on the back of colonization
Top fucking kek, colonization was only possible because Europe had already built itself up far above the rest of the world.
You don't conquer and hold territory on the other side of the world if you're not already overwhelmingly superior.
Do yo ureally not see the idiocy of claiming that your conqueror got great off of you? If it wasn't great already how the fuck did it conquer you? Are you that much of a shit? But then how did your conquest make it great?
It's circular logic at its finest, all to justify your victimism nowadays.
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>>1378211
'Helped build' Dilate
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>>1378264
>>renaissance Italy
>>built on the back of colonization

coincidentially, the italians never got very far
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>>1378211
Lmao.

Fuck off nigger, you didnt build anything.
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>>1378290
Lol yeah, they just overtook the main colonizing power (UK) in the 1960s GDP wise and are members of the G8 now.
Total shitters, the italians. Who'd be proud of 3000 years worth of art, science and prosperity of all kinds?
Unless by "never got very far" you mean geographically, in which case yeah, being bound by an inland sea really fucks you over geostrategically speaking.
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>>1378164
>because it's cultural appropriation
sorry to cultural appropriate your spaghetti
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>>1378264
Vailians are a piss poor attempt at a twist on euro colonization, "but now its the niggers doing it see how we are all the same!".

Being Italian is just a cheap way to flavour it.

Black imperialism honestly was already done in TES lore.

>>1378320
Mutts also underestimate spain.
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>>1378164
>muh whites
>muh blacks
>muh niggers
>muh identity politics
Shut the fuck up already you whiny, thin skinned faggot. Barely anyone with a brain outside the shithole you call home gives a shit, including the Italians you're so desperately trying to feel offended since they don't view race the same retarded way you braindead Americans see.
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>>1378627
He has a point. I would love for a better black race, not wakandaish but kinda like what people do with mesoamericans sometimes, fuck what Ixamitl is already. Something more fitting. Vailians are lazy.
As lazy honestly as the Imperials in tes.

Aedyr sounds interesting as fuck with the dual monarchy and climate. Every faction looks nice except the pimp niggers.
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>>1378643
>He
Right.

And no, that's not the point in the post I replied to. That post is, instead, someone throwing a tantrum, making wild accusations and crying cultural appropriation over skin colour while showing how much american media ruined their brain.
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>>1378627
>nobody cares
Is that why there's always people raising this complaint everywhere in every media?
Is that why a tsunami of retards invariably rises up when it's mentioned?
>they don't view race the same retarded way you braindead Americans see.
Kek, let me guess, leaf? Southern and eastern euros are more racist than burgers by far.
Just because they see more nuance in the issue than just white and black doesn't mean they like niggers any better.
>you're thin skinned
N
Between people who criticize and people who can't take the criticism, we both know who the real thin skinned faggot is.
>while showing how much american media ruined their brain
Ah of course. The only reason people could possibly disagree with you is if they are brainwashed.
Yes, that's clearly the point of view of a thick-skinned, rational individual right here.

>>1378643
>As lazy honestly as the Imperials in tes.
Imperials were actually extremely interesting at their conception, and they were purposefully degenerated into the mass we saw in TES out of naked marketing requirements. Todd wanted to tap that LOTR market and so he copied everything about it, from the shirelike Cyrodiil to the gondor like imperial armor.
It's frankly horrid, but not lazy. Just a total and self-aware creative sellout.
PoE instead takes itself very seriously and it's clear the writers thought they actually managed a great setting for the game, instead of the disgrace everybody else saw. Together with the purple prose the game is littered with, it gives a far greater feel of laziness "this is good enough" than TES.
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>>1378701
But its is a good setting for what is is trying to be. But the blemishes really fuck up the painting.

I like Josh, as I like Chris. His icewind dale 2 is great. If poe 1 had the consistency of the dlc it would have been great.

Deadfire is fucking gay.
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>>1378701
>>Nobody cares
Where did I say that again? Too many people like you give a shit, that's the problem.

>The only reason people could possibly disagree with you is if they are brainwashed.
Never said this either. You're so desperate to be mad it's not even funny. I suppose that's a symptom of being brainwashed by American identity politics.

>Just because they see more nuance in the issue than just white and black doesn't mean they like niggers any better
Once again, so clueless you can't even begin to see people outside the pre-determined groups in your head

>Kek, let me guess, leaf? Southern and eastern euros are more racist than burgers by far.
And the fact you immediately tried to come up with a new group to put me in so you can judge me is pretty funny, and says all I needed to know.
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>>1378758
>deny and project
You're transparent as fuck.
>Barely anyone with a brain outside the shithole you call home gives a shit
>showing how much american media ruined their brain
You're pretty open about how you think nobody "that matters (yes, I'm paraphrasing)" cares which is functionally identical as saying nobody cares and you know it. Now you backpedal and say a lot of problematic people care and that's bad. But of course it's bad because it creates trouble, not because they could possibly have a point, because how could people other than you be right? Which segues in how my opinions are clearly the result of "american media ruining my brain" (as if PoE, an american videogame, wasn't american media itself), because I couldn't hold badwrong opinions if they weren't brainwashed into me by the evil americans.
>Once again, so clueless you can't even begin to see people outside the pre-determined groups in your head
>And the fact you immediately tried to come up with a new group to put me in so you can judge me is pretty funny, and says all I needed to know.
It's frankly sad that you can't see the irony, considering that the first thing you did was assuming I'm american, source of all evil.
Yes, I put people in groups. That's how ALL human minds work, deal with it.
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>>1378914
At first you claim I said something I didn't, coming up with your own incorrect interpretation, then, when I deny that, you accuse me of backpedalling. It would be sad if it wasn't so funny

What a lost case, there's no getting through to you
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I just played through PoE 2, and the same thing happened as with PoE 1 and Outer Worlds. I couldn't be arsed to do any more of the side content or expansions.

For reference, I played through all original Baldurs Gate's games, Planescape Torment, Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2 and all expansions, I played through all of them and loved them ...

In PoE1 I got so fucking sick of reading this boring as fuck "lore" and I never started the expansion because the game completely went down the toilet mid-game.

Tyranny was really good with a tight plot, the first act hyped me up really hard and the rest of the game was solid. Shame we might never see a continuation.

PoE2 started out ok, but went down the shitter fast when the sidequests got completely disjointed from the main quest line. Plus you leveled up way too easily. I couldn't be arsed to try out the other characters that come after Serafen. After I hit max level I tried to do the Arena DLC but got seriously pissed off at some point and said fuck it, went straight to Eothas, never touched the tentacle and winter dragon stuff, absolutely zero motivation.

Outer Worlds, terrible looter shooter disguised as RPG, after about 2/3rds of the game I decided to say fuck it and just shot every single NPC in the big city and went straight for the end of the game.

Obsidian really fucking lost their magic touch, man.
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>>1379144
Its a damn shame about tyranny for sure. I agree they lost it.
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>>1341861
>bad voice acting
Can you name an example? I had my issues with the game but don't remember VA being one of them.

Except for Serafen's weird accent. However, Eder and Aloth (same actor) as well as Maia and minor ones like Vatnir and Woedica were good imo.
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>>1379144
>I played through all of them and loved them ...
>>1379144
>Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2

You think PoE went down the toilet by mid-game, yet you added Neverwinter fucking Nights to the pantheon of games you loved.
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>>1379008
>there's no getting through to you
What could you possibly hope to get through to me? You haven't put forward ANY argument, you just denied my criticism has merit without justifying it and insulted me.
100% of your posts got through, mission accomplished anon. You just said nothing at all in them.
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>>1378701
>Between people who criticize and people who can't take the criticism, we both know who the real thin skinned faggot is.
That doesn't make a lot of sense if the wellspring of the criticism is being thin-skinned about skin color, anon.
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>>1379179
Does your criticism go beyond "niggers bad"?
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>>1378614
>Being Italian is just a cheap way to flavour it.
It's the other way around. Vailians are dark-skinned Venetians, not Africans who happen to dress in Venetian attire.
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>>1379201
It would have been cooler if they had other fantasy characteristic instead of looking specifically african american.

Like white hair like drow or some shit.

They are terrible. The made up italian sounds even worse.
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>>1374929
What's a modern CRPG with a better multi class system? (Honest question)
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>>1379213
>instead of looking specifically african american.
They don't. Pallegina looks decidedly Central-African, the rest range from African to a
Moroccan. Note the lack of dreads-hair.
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>>1379217
They'll say Pathfinder even though you're better off as a single class in that system 9 times out of 10.
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>>1379231
give up, for them black skinned people either do ooga-booga proud warrior race shit like in TES or they are unwelcome
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>>1379231
Yeah no anon. Dont be dumb.

Features: Broad, flat noses. Full lips. Round, almond, or prominent eyes. Mid-to-shallow-set eyes and strong brows.
Skin: Light brown to extremely dark brown.
Hair: Rust brown, brown, black hair. Texture may be straight, wavy, curly, or kinky
Eyes: Brown, green, gray, hazel, yellow-green, red-brown

arrivederci
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>>1379242
What color are your eyes, anon.
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>>1379251
So in a word, African. Grazie.
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>>1379242
They are pretty advanced in TES what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>1379251
So... West African?
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>>1379242
>for them black skinned people either do ooga-booga proud warrior race shit like in TES
You can always tell when a Zoomer grew up consooming Skyrim. Kill yourself.
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>>1379189
Yes: >>1378164
>It's offensive both to whites AND niggers: whites because it's cultural appropriation, niggers because the direct implication is that the only way to get them into the game is by gifting them white everything aside from phenotype, the writers can't even imagine the concept of an advanced properly nigger culture.

>>1379181
That's retarded, and you know it. If expressing a complaint is being thin skinned then the only way to go is taking everything lying down.
No, the thin skinnedness is the expectation that you shouldn't be challenged when you do or say something stupid. You're being thin skinned when the first thing you say back to an argument is not a counter-argument, but mockery or insults.
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>>1379201
>not Africans who happen to dress in Venetian attire.

Fiaces vocs converano!
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>>1378164
>It's offensive to whites
are you the kind of person who calls others snowflakes?
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>>1379269
he thinks TES lore isn't dogshit

redguards were always just medieval klingons, anon
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>>1379330
No. Have you any arguments that aren't personal attacks?
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>>1379340
not him but calling it 'offensive to whites' sound kinda social justicy to me, no offense

who gives a shit if the venetians/spaniards in a fantasy world are black? the native pocahontas people are welsh, the greco-romans are englishment and both the scotts-irish and the dixies were born from their war. the mexicans wear turkish clothing and the shark people are weird industrial japanese imperialists who came from indonesia.
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>>1379338
Actually they are pretty similar to vailians in parts. Minus the Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish sea pioneering.

Sophisticated and powerful.
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>>1379355
fuck i even forgot the jews/arabs are pale skinned gingers from beyond the horizon
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>>1379363
Dont forget the dwarf Eskimo cringelady tribe.

Pale elves seem cool. thats it.
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>>1379323
No seriously they just needed something to flavour them, a better language mix like occitan or medieval french instead of full Italian.
Some weird hair color and it would have been fine. Perfect for chocolate waifus.
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>>1379374
>a better language mix like occitan or medieval french
thats what it is already

but then again i'm talking to a guy who thinks turning the african humans into drow isn't retarded
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>>1379382
Its not, its just made up Italian. Do even know how occitan sounds like?
Also I am not asking for drow skin.
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>>1379389
the accent is italian because, surprise, the vailian republics is venice but the language is occitan and italian

any reference to drow betrays your mouthbreathing ways, you want a 'chocolate waifu with white hair'? opinion discarded.
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>>1379397
You sound like the perfect faggot for poe mediocrity.
No again I am not asking for drow.
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>>1343652
>Amiri: insecure dumb barbarian
>Linzi: unpunishable thief shitty-writer lesbian midget
>Jaethal: edgy rotten pussy
>Valerie: 9 int troglodyte lawtard
>Octavia: endorses cuckoldry and polygamy
>Regongar: CE edgelord
Ekundayo is one of the less unlikeable companions just by being the blandest one and having good stats.
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>>1379213
>It would have been cooler if they had other fantasy characteristic instead of looking specifically african american.
african italian is better idea than just having this type of guy in platemail
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>>1379410
>is a coomer
>suggests drow would add flavor to the setting
>realizes their mistake, keeps repeating they just want a waifu that looks like a brown drow

don't touch me you disgusting peasant
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>>1379355


>savages are welsh
>civilized are african
No Josh is not as smart as he think he is.
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>>1379422
I said something like white hair like drow have. Keep twisting my words.

Here>>1379213

>Like white hair like drow or some shit.

I could have said purple eyes as well
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>>1379213
>It would have been cooler if they had other fantasy characteristic instead of looking specifically african american.
Why? Do you need white people in fantasy to have anime hair and eyes too
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>>1379444
>anime
Do you even need godlike or shark people? I dont know anon. Maybe.

The ginger asian is a nice twist at least.
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>>1379323
Is their attire the only thing that's Venetian and every other aspect is African?

Or is it the other way around, silly?
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>>1379318
>cultural appropiation
Doesn't exist.
>niggers because the direct implication is that the only way to get them into the game is by gifting them white everything aside from phenotype, the writers can't even imagine the concept of an advanced properly nigger culture.
Explain why Deadfire is required to have an advanced African culture instead of just dark-skinned people.
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>>1365963
Were shinto gods made by some soul machine?
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>>1379452
jfc you mouthbreather ginger asian isn't a twist mongolians can have natural red hair
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>>1379363
There's nothing Jewish/Arabic about the stormfolk.
>>1379425
Japs and Romans/Celts are highly civilized too.
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>>1379477


The shark people dont really seem like japs again. More like smarter imperialistic Samoans.
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>>1379213
>It would have been cooler if they had other fantasy characteristic
I think every lore should have a few cultures that are relatively grounded in real-world inspirations. Not everything must be a fantastical donutsteel half-dragonkin race who lives on the backs of sky whales
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Btw maybe because the setting is so 16th century it is missing some orc barbarians.
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>>1379489
It can be grounded and be fantastic as well.
Or else josh can fuck off and make a historical rpg.
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>>1379497
Which it is, e.g. animancers.
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>>1379487
According to Josh the main inspiration for Rauatai was Japan. For the Huana it was Maori.
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>>1379512
*Although I agree that their backstory makes them feel more like Pacific Islanders
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>>1379518
The ingame lore in poe1 makes me want the game in the living lands.
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>>1379469
Maybe
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>>1379355
>not him but calling it 'offensive to whites' sound kinda social justicy to me, no offense
It is. Social justice isn't just for niggers' advantage, and of course I'll feel slighted if someone tries to apply it one-sidedly. Is that so wrong of me?
>who gives a shit if the venetians/spaniards in a fantasy world are black?
Because it's politically motivated, do you even need me to spell it out? Just look at how this guy >>1345461 is creaming his pants at the idea of a black culture being the most advanced, it's made to appeal to these fags.
As I've already said, the magical negro is a trope older than tv, but Obsidian makes it a point to tell us how politically aware and woke they are, so how am I supposed to believe that this scenario is a complete coincidence?
>the native pocahontas people are welsh, the greco-romans are englishment and both the scotts-irish and the dixies were born from their war. the mexicans wear turkish clothing and the shark people are weird industrial japanese imperialists who came from indonesia.
You say this as if it makes anything better, it's still hack writing. This is a different argument altogether, but you can't just lift a culture straight up from history (or whatever disgraceful crumbs you have of it), mash it together with another, and then just call it a day. Cultures are the reflection of many factors, from environment to neighbours, and if I have to see a straight theft with no real adjustment I'll call the author out for what he is: a creatively bankrupt lazy ass.

>>1379465
>Doesn't exist.
Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, dumbass.
>Explain why Deadfire is required to have an advanced African culture instead of just dark-skinned people.
See above.
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>>1379561
>Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, dumbass.
It goes both ways you idiot, just because you insist it's there doesn't make it so. Explain your reasoning or stop throwing wild shit around and then get defensive when asked to elaborate.
>See above.
See above.
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>>1343652
Why did they make him LG? You can consider him based or cringe, but regardless there's nothing lawful about his behaviour, and good, well it's debateable.
Ekun should have been either TN, if they wanted to make him complex, or CG if they wanted to make him good.
>hurr durr because of Torag
But that doesn't make sense either. He barely mentions his religious beliefs anyway.
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>>1379561
Watching you whine about skin color for hours in this thread already made their choice worth it.
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>>1379561
Considering how environment and neighbors factor into all of PoE's cultures and none of them are lifted ad verbatim from history books with no adjustments, it doesn't appear to meet your criteria of "straight theft".
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>>1379561
>Vailian
>magical negro trope
What magical abilities do Vailians have that are exclusive to them?
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>>1341865
Pretty garbage main story overall. Side quests and factions are nice though.
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>>1379600
anon thinks being successful while having dark pigment is a magic power
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>>1379584
I'd rather not have the thread derailed by anon's racial autism.
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>>1379561
>Just look at how this guy >>1345461 is creaming his pants at the idea of a black culture being the most advanced
You are the exact person this anon was looking forward to. Someone losing their mind because of skin color
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>>1379616
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how Vailians fit the magical negro bill, considering Vailians are one of POE's *least* mystic faction alongside Rauatai and the Crucible Knights.
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>>1379561
>Because it's politically motivate
as a white man, I still don't give a shit but i started laughing when you said the blacks being a trade republic is the 'magical negro trope' so thanks for that
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>>1379600
None, anon is smoking crack
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>>1379477
>There's nothing Jewish/Arabic about the stormfolk.
monotheistic people from a desert country literally called Jehova
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>>1379600
>Italian Accent: -1 Resolve, +5 Sleight of Hand
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>>1379561
>Yes I'm a social justice warrior hates-black-people edition, is that so wrong of me?

yes, go back to pol you faggot
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>>1379585
>Considering how environment and neighbors factor into all of PoE's cultures
Dude they've got niggers dressed like northern euros in the tropics. That happened irl because early modern navies were loath to adapt their uniforms to the climate, but the ocean people are native to the equator. They didn't adapt shit, they just mashed cultures together and called it a day.

>>1379573
Cultural appropriation is just the usage of foreign cultural elements trivialized and taken outside of their proper context, thus denaturating them.
Whether this is good, bad, avoidable, unavoidable, etc is up for debate, but just straight out denying it exists seems ridiculous.

>>1379630
I'm just having a discussion on the web, and people take me answering back to them as if I'm acting crazy.
Says more about you than me I think, especially since half the comments are straight insults.
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>>1379637
Vailians aren't even an ethnostate, 55% are the black skin humans, 10% are white and 20% are dwarves
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>>1379690
>but the ocean people are native to the equator.
No they aren't. Aedyr is on the equator. Vailia is further south and is mediterranean tier.
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>>1379690
>and people take me answering back to them as if I'm acting crazy.
all your answers is just you seething at people, calm down
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>>1379690
>They didn't adapt shit, they just mashed cultures together and called it a day.
Does the characterization of POE's cultures begin and end at the skin color or clothes? Or are further sensibilities such as environmental factors and relationships with neighbors (which you previously defined as criteria for being more than straight theft) also explained?
>the ocean people are native to the equator
Wrong. The equator goes through Aedyr and the Ixamitl Plains. Old Vailia is way south just like the Eastern Reach.
>half the comments are straight insults.
Your post doesn't even respond to all counter-arguments that have been made against you since your last post. Though perhaps you'll get to them later? Take your time.
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>>1379713
>you seething at people
>people are the ones actually throwing insults
Your projection is blatant.
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>>1379720
Calm down
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>>1379720
Then don't waste your spit on those shitposts and tackle the counter-arguments instead, anon.
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>>1379692
Now that you mention it there are no ethnostates.

its like the wiki in this post>>1366237
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>>1379692
Are the dwarves black or white?
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>>1341838
Playing through Poe2 now. Currently level 17 on PotD difficulty. Honestly I think the game is hated so much because of a few things:

1. It has a terrible start. Basically you start by getting explained the weird intricacies of the setting, and then helping a bunch of natives and islanders with dumb names and dumber accents through some boring quests.

2. The setting. Black colonialism, pirates, natives! Sounds cool, but its actually pretty boring and the factions are so unlikeable. You neither feel like a true pirate or a true renaissance adventurer. Just a weird hero with a ship.

3. Ship combat is ass

4. Too much shit to do in Neketaka. Honestly made me drop the game when it came out. Not really so much to do, just so much to check on to do. Also the loading screens going between sections is ass

5. The loading. Same issue with PoE 1 except a little better.

6. The main quest and its lack of a good main villain. Eothas is a boring villain. Sure he has grand and interesting plans, but he's boring and unrelatable. The main quest is also super short and doesn't connect with side quests well at all.

Overall I'm still playing because I like the challenge on PotD, the combat is great, and finding new locations and items, but most everything else is forgettable.
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>>1377654
Middle brow Millenials on 4chan have said it's been "at the peak" since 2006.
You aren't as smart as you think you are. Stop embarrassing yourself.
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The thing that pissed me off the most about poe2 was the ending and the general lack of agency in it. The whole point was that you didn't have the power to beat Eothas's avatar, I get it. But then the fucking DLC gives you the power to beat it. But if you choose to exercise that power, the other god simply shows up a minute too late to change anything. Why even bother with the option? It's like a direct screw you to people that complained about the original climax.
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>>1378643
Yeah, that's the real thing. They should have posited what could have happened if a black African society developed along navigable blue water like the Mediterranean and evolved real-world examples in that direction. What they did instead was just cosplay.
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>>1380087
Well since its indeed fantasy. And ocean folk are not really africans per se. one could say they couldve channelled some Italian city states. But its a bit jarring, Josh could have mixed more stuff.

I love seafaring stuff from the age of discovery, its a very poorly utilized period. Man what I would give for a new uncharted waters.
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>>1380096
They fucked it up so bad with deadfire.

Age of discovery is dope. Fuck pirates.
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>>1379855
Make sure to scale down the XP multipliers a bit so you won't hit max level by the time you're halfway through.
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>>1380087
There are no directly African cultures in Eora and I don't see any reason why there should be, considering none of the races have exact real-world counterparts.
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>>1380098
>age of discovery without pirates

you're hilarious what do you think the portuguese were doing?
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>>1380120
Hey, privateering is a completely legitimate enterprise, separate from piracy and in no way similar.
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>>1380127
the government doesn't like competition, yadda yadda
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>>1380127
You know what I meant.

Dutch, the spanish the ports it was impressive armadas. Very well organized to the point of autism.
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>>1380084
Based
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the writing and characters are just boring and in games like these it is one of the most important thing
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PoE1 had better gameplay than 2
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>>1379583

LG in Owlcat games is the unforgiving hand of justice, as such, Ekun'dayo is absolutely LG since he is the companion that wants to judge and kill every evil character, not try to redeem or forgive them.
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>>1379171
Xoti is the worst offender. Woedica, Pallid Knight, Wael were so badly miscast they pretty much ruined their respective gods. The narrator comes to mind as well. And this is just the main characters, let alone all the other minor npcs that have terrible full voice acting throughout the game (that one easily recognizable awkward southern female voice actor that comes up repeatedly in minor npcs). I Just finished playing Icewind dale and it's depressing how shitty the deadfire VO was compared to literally every instance of IWD VO being god-tier. Literally every single role was cast to perfection in that game.
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>>1345461
>One of the most advanced countries in their world is predominantly dark skinned
I've told you already:
WAKANDA ISN'T REAL!
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>>1381963
If it's not real why does it make you seethe
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>>1381985
For the same reason people believe BLM!
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For me, its Eder, Grieving Mother, Durance and Aloth.



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