How did Xneedoblade become the premier modern JRPG franchise?
>>1340089Is it? I figured it would be Purse Owner, or maybe even FF still.
>>1340089Hasn't been a final fantasy that people actually gave much of a shit about in the last ten years, 13 was 13, 14 was an mmo, and 15 was just kinda shit overall I don't even think the cosmo-brains who like the 13 trilogy think highly of it.Persona is popular but only has 3 entries that modern fans give a shit about and 2 of them were ps2 games and didn't really skyrocket to the full public mindspace until 5, and you have to pester people to go back to 4 and 3, let alone 1 and 2.SMT proper is just cursed to be stuck between niche and mainstream forever apparently.Pokemon is and will always be popular with brainless kids but any adult who's played a modern entry knows the series is shit.Bravely default is absolutely amazing but its cursed to be overshadowed by FF proper despite being the successor to FFV, the best final fantasy.Fire Emblem has become synonymous with waifubait thanks to recent titles, but it being a strategy rpg instead of turn based, and the fact that its reputation of 'units die if they are killed' preceedes it scares off just enough people to prevent it from reaching true "everyone has played this" status, though 3h might have broke that barrier.Xenoblade meanwhile has pumped out a new entry every system since the wii, comes off the past echoes of xenogears and xenosaga, has managed to aggressively crawl its way into increasing amounts of general relevance thanks to blade 2 selling well and blade 1 getting a rerelease (plus now pyra in smash will hard lock it there), and it at least uses a different formula than the standard turn based battles so its got interesting elements by having to juggle things in real time. I don't think its the most popular thing, but by relatively new thing standards its pretty darn popular and has beaten a lot of other new/ish jrpg IPs in the last ten years or so.
Anime artstyle, amazing music, incredible world, great cast of characters, and feeling like everyone is going on one big journey together.
>>1340089nintendofags shilled it everywhere because they were desperate for rpgs on their system and it appeals to every lowest common denominator anime trope so of course it sold extremely well
>>1340089If a series gets Smash recognition it's going to get shilled and thus go mainstream.
>Only 3 games in>premier modern JRPG franchise
>>1340089It didn't I played a few hours of Xenoblade 2 and it bored the fuck out of me. Get on with it and hurry the pace up.
>>1340295>they were desperate for rpgs on their system and it appeals to every lowest common denominator anime trope so of course it sold extremely wellthis
>>1340210>14 was an mmo,Why do so many purist faggots keep saying this like it dismisses it and invalidates it's popularity and success somehow?
>>1340361People who like MMOs and people who like single player RPGs are nearly disjoint sets. They really should not have been numbered as mainline games, any more than FFT or Dissidia should have been.
>>1340361>>1340410Yeah, I've heard good things about the stores in both 11 and 14, but I imagine a lot of potential players read>MMOand turn away because think they're going to get WoW, Japanese Edition.
Monolith Soft has to be the most effecient JRPG dev in years. They pump out 75+ hour games bi-to-tri-yearly, with graphics that demolish the competition, even on underpowered hardware.
>>1340295basically this>desperate for rpgsdesperate for any game, really
>>1340361it's not to demean, it's that mmos attract a different audience and sate a different need.Xenoblade is pretty much the only currently popular traditional jrpg except maybe persona 5 and bravely default
>>1340707dont forget the main team was focusing on botw and xeno2 was made by the b team. And it still btfo's any other switch game in terms of scale.That is the power of soul
>>1340707It doesn't look better than dqxi but still pretty impressive
>>1340089All the other ones gave up years ago
>>1340089Xeno has always had the potential. It was just a matter of finding a publisher that treats them well.
>>1340295This.Games are bad, but they are on nintendo so they get shilled to infinity.
>>1340089Sneed isn't a secret word anymore, we all know what you're doing. Sorry.
>>1340316He just wanted to say the funny /tv/ word
>>1340295>It's a conspiracy by the nintendo mafia!!Lmao at the schizo cope, shulkfags are truly clowns
>>1340295Pretty fucking much.If this was made by any other dev, or on any other console, it would be dismissed as a shitty otakucore series with no appeal to anyone.
>>1341715X Also makes an S sound.
>>1340089 Anon there is Pokemon, FF, DQ(in japan), Persona(+SMT)and THEN there is Xenoblade(hell i would argue that Trails is like equal to Xenoblade)
>>1340707>with graphics that demolish the competition
>>1344784>prerendered backgroundsSOUL OVERLOAD
>>1340295Spot on, and I'm a fucking xenofag too
Only gay people hate Xenoblade 2. You're not gay, right anons?
>>1340089the only people who give two shits about xenoblade are nintendo drones who don't play anything other than first-party nintendo. these "games" would be bargain bin material if they were multiplat.
>>1344146just look at the licensed sword art online games. literally the same shit as xenoblade, but on every platform, and nobody cares about them.the hype for xenoblade is literally all about the corporate logo on the box, not the games themselves.
>>1340089It sold well, was well received and monolith has helped with like 5 other major nintendo ips.
>Xenoblade Chronicles 2 sold 2 million in 3 years>Persona 5 + Royal sold 6 millionCOPE
>>1340210I'm pretty sure every single franchise you mentioned sells better than Xenoblade.And you didn't even mentioned Dragon Quest which beats the crap out of all those games except Pokemon. And don't even get me started on the Fromsoft Soul-like games.
>>1344855>>1344146I see a similar combat system when I google videos of the SAOBut I don't see anybody talking about overworld travel.So it looks like a cheap surface copy, without any of the elements or risks that made Xenoblade a great game.Xenoblade did great, while Last Story is basically a forgotten gem. There was also Pandora's tower, which also didn't get any form of sequel hype.The argument just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
>>1340089Cute shotas sell.
>>1344918p5 sold 3,2 million and royal 1,4 millionDQ 6 million, probably 6,5 soon due to the new S versions
>>1345329Other than forgetting DQ and perhaps not properly recognizing the extent to which OP is a faggot and Xenoblade has an inflated reputation, is anything he said wrong? It seems pretty on the money to me.>And don't even get me started on the Fromsoft Soul-like games.Good, don't start, on them because they're no more appropriate to compare to Xenoblade than the MMOs. Those annoying "what is a RPG/JRPG" definition arguments wouldn't show up so often if people would have the common sense to pay attention to context and fucking not try to shoehorn Soulslikes into conversations that are quite clearly not about them.
>>1340295this is the correct take if you haven't played XBC2 and just got your opinion of it from /v/. >>1340210is probably the real reason
>>1340410It is largely a single player experience though. Only need groups for dungeons and raids.
>>1346011>only need groups for dungeonsIOW it is not single player unless you think an RPG where you can't do dungeons is AOK
>>1345971unfortunately i actually was stupid enough to but and play it
>>1346111There's tons of non dungeon content though.
>>1346181So? What single player rpg has no dungeons?
>>1345749what overworld travel? all of these ubisoft-tier open world "games" are the same shit, just walking around in the same empty grass field that's way too big for the content. how is anyone still impressed by this in 2021?hell, if the sao games cut down on the tedium and bloat, then they're actually better than xenoblade.
>>1340089voice actors from the UK
>>1340089Did it? I've never seen a single person discuss anything about it, and I only see Smash threads lusting for anime titties from this game and nothing else. I think your fanboyism is clouding your ability to reason.
>>1340446No story can be good enough to be worth trudging through the insufferable campaign of A Realm Reborn.
Is XB3 going to recycle the same artstyle as XB2?
>>1346435>how is anyone still impressed by this in 2021?Because Ubi still do them wrong.Despite doing them since 2007.That is why.
>>1346495>"I think your fanboyism is clouding your ability to reason.">He says, as he bases his entire reasoning on shitposts on /v/ and /vrpg/, as if no other community existsthis has got to be one of the dumbest video game discussion forums in existence
>>1346868there's no way to do it right. open-world "games" are inherently 1% content, 99% walking towards the content.
>>1347093Ya sure about that?Its almost as if making movement mechanics good could... do something about that?
Is xeno or trails of Cold steel the king of using evrry trashanine cliche? Who is the king?
>>1346897Projecting. Where does that post state that this impression is based solely on 4chan? You are fairly dumb, so you are correct in that assessment, being part of this community.
I miss the aesthetics and setting of Xenosaga, Blade's setting and gameplay never appealed to me personally. But I can understand why it became popular.
>>1347493iktfb.Even beyond aesthetics, Xenosaga is the biggest case of "what could've been". Especially in EpI there are glimpses of true greatness, like Takahashi wanted to make a modern LotR with mechs and psuedoscience.
I actually hated Xenoblade's combat and leveling/grinding systems on Wii but still played through it because I loved the landscapes. That game was pure landporn.
>>1340089It’s not lmao even with the double wet fart of 14 and 15 FF still on top gay ass nigga
>>1340089Stagnant genre not interested in trying anything new.
>>1349667You need to learn the combat or play more characters, the true power of Xenoblade's combat is that it's completely broken, not just cheesable but you can stack probabilities and land status effects on bosses and high power enemies, there are enemies immune to break that aren't immune to daze or topple, once you find out how to exploit the games bs you will start doing all kinds of retarded shit like soloing a super boss or killing enemies that you have a 0% chance to hit.
>>1340295Xenofags love the series too fucking much and shill it like if it's the second coming of Jesus. I've played XC2 and liked it but the game and the series in general are not as great as they say. If the next Xenoblade turns out to be sloppily made, the fans would white knight it and Monolithsoft, just like Pokemon SwSh and Cyberpunk 2077.
>>1350559>Enemy has a instant death attack>Doesn't have immunity to Instant Death with 100% proc chance>Can be cheesed by reflecting said attack
>>1347313I assumed you were just talking about these boards because there's legitimate XBC2 outside of your bubble. It's not all smash seethe and coomers everywhere. So either you're backpedaling and you were just basing your opinion on fucking 4chan, or you have an odd case of selective perception. Either way, /v/ and /vrpg/ are the dumbest communities on the planet because of people like you.
Final Fantasy became an action game.Dragon Quest never gained traction outside Japan.Its really just Xenoblade and Persona in a sea of lower budget and even more Otaku pandering games.
>>1340089lol nobody gives a fuck about Xenoblade.
>XB1DE broke 1.4 million sales in a matter of no time>XB2 broke 2 million sales, and will continue to increase in sales thanks to the boost from Pyra/Mythra's appearance in Smash>Both protagonists (kind of) made it into Smash, (which helped quite a lot considering the exposure it's given, as the series still is niche compared to other big JRPG's)>Figures of Pyra, Mythra, and Kosmos have sold huge numbers, and we're even about to see figures for Melia, and Blade Nia coming soon (Honestly since they plan on spoiling Nia's Blade design, we might just get figures for Pneuma, and Fiora)>The Alrest Records artbook for XB2 ended up selling out so well to the point where they had to make reprints People can write off the series as generic weebshit, or play sales comparison with other JRPG's all they want to, but it doesn't stop the fact that the series is increasingly growing in success, and nothing is going to change that. In the next decade, you're going to be seeing more and more Xeno hype, so you might as well cope, and get used to it.
>>1351890how did the Xeno franchise even get so big? Were Xenogears and Xenosaga really that popular, or did it all start with Xenoblade 1?
>>1352466Xenoblade was a cult classic. XBC2 was available to a wide audience on the Switch and that small fanbase spread it by word of mouth to more people.
>>1340089Namco spent the last two decades squandering the good faith they gained from Tales of Symphonia and left the door open for Xenoblade (developed by former Namco employees) to take root, grow and flourish. And all the while, the biggest claim to fame for the Tales franchise in the last few years has been a port that has been constantly been on sale for the last two years finally inching passed 1 million sales. That's it for the once promising franchise that looked to challenge Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest and was the third pillar of the genre.
>>1352513The more I read of this thread, the more I get kind of disappointed by the current state of JRPG's. It really feels like most of them have fallen off the wayside heavily. >>1352466Xenoblade was a cult classic for the Wii, and the Project Rainfall hype only attracted more attention to it. Really though, I think around the time Shulk got into Smash is when attraction for it rose heavily. As for Xenogears, it's one of the early JRPG classics for the Playstation. I won't say Xenosaga is literal who tier, but it's popularity is pretty dim outside of KOSMOS being relatively popular.
>>1352466Xenogears was actually the best-selling Xeno title until Xenoblade 2 and DE happened. It sold a lot of copies in Japan thanks to Squaresoft's clout at the time.Xenosaga 1 actually sold decently well, but it was such a money sink that it was still considered a massive failure by Namco. Xenosaga 2 and 3 didn't sell shit.
>>1340089That isn't even remotely true, maybe if you're a Nintendie who's limited to the switch, then yeah that would be your only major JRPG series (feel bad for you).
>>1340089People hilariously seeth about it, keeps it fresh on image boards and social media alike. Also it being an early, content packed JRPG on Switch helps too.
>>1340295get off my jrpg board dunkey
>Xenoblade is the best current JRPG series! XB2 was the best one of the generation!Wow! The whole genre has really gone to shit, hasn't it?
>>1352756>tfw Xenosaga EpIII only sold about 400k copies worldwideIt legitimately upsets me. I know the failure of XSII and lack of European release are partially to blame, but those numbers are still depressingly low considering what a good game it is.
>>1353037I bought it because of how many people were angry at it.It never fails: game is hated = game is great
>>1355784I think you mistake mockery for hatred
XNEEDOCHADS I KNEEL
>>1345329I'm not a dragon quest fan, at all, so I won't say I've been tracking their sales numbers. But here's the thing, nobody I've seen at least seems to talk all that much about dragon quest here in the west. It may have amazing sales in japan but my understanding from a friend that does follow the series is that square enix seems to subvert attempts to get it to seriously take off in the west. And unfortunately most english speaking sites are used by westerners, the demographic that largely doesn't give a shit about DQ.and Souls-like games, much like mmo's, fall into the sort of catagory that while yes, has numbers with the goal of making your big numbers able to reduce the enemy numbers to zero, is much more focused on raw skill rather than strategy. its in a grey area between pure action and pure numbers, , but its generally treated as and observed more as the action side of things by the general gaming community. Its like an mmo in that regard, it may technically be a jrpg by most reasonable metrics, but it still scratches a different itch than what people play most jrpgs for.
>>1353037>People hilariously seeth about itYou mean its fans seethe when people make fun of it.
>>1358851Because its usually the same handful of people making the same half-baked arguments like>girls bad>dub bad (they have a bit of a point since rex has bad DIRECTION but the japanese audio is free so whats the problem?)>rex bad (and they always cite the prior direction issues as why even though, again, the japanese audio is free)>japanese humor (and its always the same two and a half scenes, always taken out of context)You want a legitmate complaint about the game? The tutorials are both constant, vague, and can't be viewed again without going out of your way to BUY the damn things, and desert items are extremely overcentralizing to the point of making most others useless. The combat is actually fun and simple once you DO know what you're doing but the game is absolutely terrible at actually explaining what the hell you actually SHOULD be doing. And you spend too much time running back and forth in the same goddamn giant empty room in indol, even if you're skipping cutscenes, because they keep putting the story triggers at opposite ends of the large area with nothing fucking in it, and don't even have a convenient skip travel point to trim most of that walking time out even though it would have been easy to put one in front of amalthus' stupid pope chair.Anyways here's an adenine because she's cute.
>>1358938Wait, you forgot that they evolved to make the same constant "gacha bad" argument when you barely have to use it at all to get through the main story.
>>1340089Don't know but they should make XeNotgearsA game similar to xenoblade chronicles X but with better technology about a martial artist with multiple personalities called Ief Gnof Gnow that goes driving Gears and kills some fake God weapon thing called Sued.
>>1358938>>girls badThe girl-related content in XC2 is tasteless, anon. People troll you because you're denial about this and it's funny to watch you get mad. The girls aren't bad the character designs are quite appealing, but they're undeniably designed primarily for boners.> its always the same two and a half scenesThat's just because trolls are lazy. Here let's pick a random scene:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1-DiBUx2MwMehmehmeh since Pyra is not in this scene we need some sexy servant girls. Then transition to Rez waking up on Pyra's lap staring up at her underboob. I fast-forward to another scene: https://youtu.be/W1-DiBUx2Mw?t=3256, now we have Rex trying to pull Pyra up onto the ship using his grappling hook. He complains she's too heavy and she gets offended. Gramps lectures Rex on making comments about a Lady's weight and then Poppi lifts her up instead (and then Poppi makes a comment that embarrasses Pyra)>but it makes SJWs seethe!SJWs are defectives who are always mad about everything. It's still cringe.
>>1352491Its was the memes
>>1345756the only true answer itt
>>1340089it's just weebshit for autistic teenagers
There is actually very little competition when it comes to HD jrpgs. Jump to HD absolutely filtered many japanese devs and even big(ger) companies still didn't manage to recover. So you have IS outsourcing their first HD Fire Emblem and Atlus having more than one vaporware.
>>1340089It appeals to manlets. There are many manlets, especially Nintendo Switch owners.
>>1364829Yea I was going to say, what else is there at this point that gets consistent games?Neptunia and Atelier?
It is the ultimate concoction of weeb bait and coomer bait
>>1365561Right and Tales.Its becoming more and more apparent
>>1365562it's been 5 fucking years since the last tales game
>>1365608How time flies.AFAIK Tales games keep selling less and less anyway so maybe they will spend some time and not half ass one for once
>>1340089The only bad xenoblade game so far is 2. X was just decent.
>>1340089Never played this game but OP's pic seals the deal. Give me either a manly protagonist or a girl, none of this bullshit.
>>1340295As a guy who loves xc1, this is true.
>>1340295This is only correct for XB1. Not for XBX or XB2. Besides, you're acting like Monolith doesn't deserve it, when they got shafted when Xenogears got passed up for generic anime swordsman, big titty waifu, generic anime swordsman but evil, and typical waifu girl in a premise they stole from Lunar.
>>1366137FF7 was a better game and it was actually finished.I love Xenogears it has some of my favorite character writing in any videogame, but the gameplay wasn't good enough to carry the running length, either of the game that actually shipped or the hypothetical one people think could have existed if they hadn't "run out of money." The fact is they ran out of money and time because the story wasn't properly edited and paced to fit reasonably into in a single game. FF7 meanwhile, shipped on time with a complete game.
XB1 had mild hype with project rainfall, and it came out in an early 2010’s jrpg deadzone in the west, so it stood out. The beginning sections of the story are very simple but engaging IMO (guy wants revenge on robots because they killed his gf), and the dub is good. It was more popular in the West than Japan, at least according to the wii version’s sales figures.
>Xenoblade 2 is selling out of copies in both Japan, and AmericaDamn bro, I didn't know the Smash boost was so huge >>1367168How many people genuinely liked the Xenogears combat? I thought Deathblows were cool, but after awhile it got incredibly stale, and repetitive.
>>1364483In a literal sense yes
>>1340089Coombait and nintendofags having nothing better to shill
its world and characters. simple as.
>>1359477you don't have to do side content in Xenoblade 1 either but it overlevelling you -and- being boring as shit to do are still complaints about it
>>1367211I thought it was OK at the time. Not amazing but good enough to hold my interest... just not for 80 fucking hours or whatever. And some of the dungeon designs are either boring or frustrating.