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Play on SOLO UNFAIR as SWARM.
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>still feels like story mode
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Also they are Wizchads not Sorckeks
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>>1197022
it reads like it. you just press [devour] on npcs you can talk to and eat them
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become as gods
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>Anevia, I came from the future where you commited suicide because you will never be a real woman. To preserve the cosmic balance, I'm going to permanently remove the effects of this disgusting tranny potion, you fucking faggot. Fuck trannies.
Damn, Owlcat went a bit too far with some Aeon replies.
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>>1197063
>[Aeon Mythic Path]"You will never be a woman."
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>all of your companions ditch you after being smitted by your crusade's patron goddess into ash
>even after turning into an insectoid abomination, Anevia still serves you her commander
She dies last for her loyalty
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>>1197063
>>1197080
>implying someone who changed themselves from a mortal to an Aeon would not be all for it
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>>1197063
>>1197080
Stop, Owlcat are doing great job of giving their main audience feel the magic of role-playing. OWLCATS ARE OUR FRIENDS.
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>>1197063
>After closing the Worldwound Aeon travels the cosmos turning trannies back into their real gender
What did Owlcat mean by this?
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>>1197082
being an aeon is based.
being a tranny is cringe.
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>>1197082
>Mephistophele; "You will never be a real Aeon."
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>>1197081
Based. I will name a locust after her.
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>>1197081
It's actually almost suspicious. If there was need for main quest giving npc surely they could just use some small locust swarm you would use as scouts or something and some inner monologue. Guess she realizes that despite turning into angry bugs you stil managed more in year or so than the queen in 100, but still.
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>>1197088
>>1197080
>"Face it, Commander. You are not an Aeon. Aeons are born in space, from pure energies, from metaphysical forces that mortals cannot grasp. You are a creature of flesh and blood. The witch's experiment. Something unpredictable. And you cannot be infallible"
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>>1197100
>last words of man before he was judged by Aeon
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bismillah. man or woman they will food for the swarm inshallah
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>>1197114
Mashallah.
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why must polfags turn every WotR thread into their discord channel
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>>1197124
Because they latch onto anything that can make people upset. They're trolls of the lowest order.
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>>1197124
why must trannies inject their disgusting fetish into everything i love? they can fuck off back to whatever discord they crawled out of
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>>1197124
seething hard since women and trans-people became noticeable and being respected by the society and game developers start to listen them. their complains about male power fantasy is a real deal for manlets.
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>>1197132
You realize it's not even addressed in character, right? It's literally not player-facing information, either in the video game or the tabletop. It just straight up does not matter.
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>>1197133
Preach sister. Transfolk and women are slowly becoming major consumers of RPGs and fragile white males simply cannot take it.
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>>1197137
nothing matters for the polfag, wherever they go they must seethe
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>>1197137
>literally not player-facing information
lmao it is with that man face
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>>1197145
Anevia is beautiful trans womxn and passes perfectly.
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>>1197145
>sell a demon bane sword for a tranny potion
>you end up looking like THAT
He should get his money back.
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>>1197145
IT'S MA'AM
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>>1197145
>man face
jawlet, stop projecting your insecurities into NPCs
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>>1197133
>>1197140
>>1197146
Well is IS a fantasy game. You faggots are experts at playing pretend. Hell, it's like double roleplay kek
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Beta when?
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Really hope alpha saves are compatible with beta, I’m not super far but I like my class and playing the same exact thing again would be lame
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>>1197184
noo, please, play it again. new bugs needs to be discovered
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>>1197186
But my immersion
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>>1197186
Is it safe to report bugs with a five finger discount version?
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>>1197191
immerse into being a bugtester in russia
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>>1197194
>bug
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>>1197195
>BUG
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>>1197184
>alpha into beta
extremely doubtful
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Dragon's Disciple is a meme right? It's +3 AC +2 str for a melee build but you're definitely losing one attack by the end of the game because your BAB will be 15 max.
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>>1197243
Full DD is taking if you want to actually transform into dragon without going too far into casting. Dragon doesn't care about your bab, it has fixed attacks.
But usually people take just four levels of dd for their gishes.
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>>1197243
You turn into a fucking dragon with even more bonus stats.
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>>1197252
>>1197253
Oh so dragon form is legit? Cool. Definitely not gonna force some fighter/dd meme.
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>>1197252
why not just fucking be a wizard then, dragon transformation at the earliest + full casting + most of your strength comes from items anyways

hell, be abyssal sorcerer and you get a bunch of strength
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Okay so 1 sorc/1 monk/1 vivisectionist/4 DD/4 Fighter/9 Slayer should still get max attacks and have plenty of AC to boot. No idea whether this can get me good all the dual wielding feats but might as well try
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>>>/v/540291961
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Any reason to be DD over Metamorph though? Mutagen stats are pretty sexy
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>>1197267
>6 different classes
make up your mind faggot. three at most
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>>1197274
is there a multiclass limit? lol idk my mind is still working in icewind dale 2 mode
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>>1197256
Dragon form is actually pretty cool and martial+dd10 hybrids are very powerful, on a tankier side.
>>1197266
I've researched this shit, and yes, sorcerer (not a fucking wizard) does make for a good dragon, but with some limitations. 1, you get to be an effective dragon pretty late, 2, you don't bite very well without transformation. On a plus side you have sorc spells and can throw a few siroccos (unless you can transformed, so meh), and by level 17 you do become somewhat more powerful. If dd10 is melee character with minimal buffing that becomes a dragon by the chapter4, then sorc dragon just gets two separate fighting modes, which both work ok.

Also you shouldn't underestimate the amount of shit you can get from martial dips. Thug, paladin, scaled fist, vivi, archeologist, EK even, you can grab a lot of useful stuff along the way.

> be abyssal sorcere
You need a dragon bloodline tho.
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>>1197100
Are all mythic parts going to get their own version of that?
> You'll never be a real angel...
> You'll never be a real demon...
> You'll never be a real gold dragon...
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>>1197256
It also stacks with legendary proportions.
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>>1197289
In the first chapters you're larping as a mythic but late game you're actually gonna become one.
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>>1197276
None whatsoever iirc. It just makes little sense thematically for a character to be a sorcer-shaolin monk-alchemist-warrior-tracker. Sounds a bit schizophrenic.
Also what's the point of the four Fighter levels?
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>>1197290
There is also a fun thing about the dragon is that it ignores type, damage and enchantment bonuses of weapons you had equipped before morphing, but keeps their special magical bonuses. So dualweild arcane protectors for a completely free 6 AC or do some similar crazy shit.
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>>1197289
Only Aeon and Azata have someone explicitly trying to change their Mythic Path
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>>1197289
>only swarm is legit
Swarmchads we cant stop winning.
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>>1197293
>Also what's the point of the four Fighter levels?
Weapon specialization. Some extra combat feats.
>It just makes little sense thematically for a character to be a sorcer-shaolin monk-alchemist-warrior-tracker
I'm just trying to metagame a bit. It's not like a monk/sorc/dd makes any sense by itself. Dragon's Disciple is pretty much a metagaming class anyway because how weird its prerequisite is (1 lvl sorc/bard) and how it is so unsynergistic with that requirement anyway (look at me, high STR sorc, no spellcasting bonus)
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Reminder that transforming into a Dragon is a useless pain in the ass in a game where a lot of the areas you need to go are narrow walkways
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>>1197256
Retarded and idiotic. You either go fighter 14, vivi 1, sorc 1, dd 4 for more strength than whales or monkadin dragon sorcipleldritch knight for tona of buffs and very good dragon transformation.
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>>1197305
Collision only works in combat tho. And in cobat your wide scaly ass can be a valuable asset if you are tanking.
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>>1197289
Azata are fine with you
>So you wanna be one of us? That's cool bro, here is your personal dragon loli. Also, one of us will be there if you ever gonna need some potions or to explode anything.
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>>1197313
Also being stuck behind something doesn't matter if you have reach increasing buffs like long arm and fluid form
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Do fighters have advanced weapon and armor training?
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Elysian/Thanathotic Titan mythic path when?
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>>1197340
Also this should be the big boy option

>Titans are primordial creatures of near-godlike power who predate the mortal races. They created the gigas, who in turn spawned the first giants. Few titans exist these days and they inhabit only the remotest corners of Elysium and the Abyss. Some believe that humans were not the creation of the gods, but instead are direct descendants of the giants of old, making the titans their ultimate progenitors; these theories, however, are the product of speculation and lack any proof.
>During the Age of Creation, the gods formed the titans from the raw substance of the planes to help them refine and develop the new, and still roughly-formed multiverse. For unknown reasons, the titans rebelled against their progenitors, declaring themselves the true lords of creation. Entire planes were destroyed in the ensuing war, but in the end the gods emerged victorious, banishing their rebellious children, the Thanatotic titans, to the darkest corner of Abaddon. The Elysian titans, who had sought for peace with the gods, were richly rewarded by the gods with realms of their own and free access to every corner of the Great Beyond.
>Titans closely resemble humans in shape, but their colossal size belies their power. These entities stand seventy feet tall and weigh twenty tons. They possess vast strength and magical prowess.
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Why doesn't Storyteller just solo the demons?
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>>1197367
Why doesn't that time traveling doctor in ben 10 just retroactively solve everything? The plot bro.
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>>1197362
>>1197340
sizefags are insidious
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>>1197373
There is literally nothing wrong with wanting to chill in a 2000 ft tall girls cleavage
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>>1197373
Speaking of size why is there no manlet path? Are there no manlet outsiders?
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>>1197380
Swarm is the manlet path. It's tailor made for dwarves, just think of how many elves you can eat and hear the screams of.
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>>1197362
Still not unique enough to be a path. What would its skills be, "me grug, me big"? You're not good at thinking things through
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>>1197389
none of the paths are unique except maybe swarm, rest are literally just buffed normal classes
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>>1197367
He needs to gather stories to tell.
if he just kills everyone, there is no story.
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>>1197393
You have not even seen what swarm does mechanically, you retarded faggot
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>>1197385
Very little since most of them are in Kyonin, while the Worldwound is for Demons and Kellids
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So, are there any Mythic Paths that you can't access as a Neutralfag?
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>>1197419
From the early ones, no
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>>1197419
>>1197426
>inb4 Legend requires you to stand for your values and can't be accessed as a True Neutral character
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>>1197419
All are accessible to TN, at least as of the Alpha
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>>1197336
Only Advanced Weapon Training
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>>1197469
Eh, that's good enough. That way you can get the dazzling display one and a few of the interesting ones like the one that lets you replace your ranks in a skill with your base attack bonus. I persuade with sword.
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>>1197473
>that lets you replace your ranks in a skill with your base attack bonus
That one is not in the game.
The ones that are, and I remember, are:
Fighter’s Reflexes, Armed Bravery, Dazzling Intimidation, Effortless Dual-Wielding, Fighter’s Tactics and Fighter’s Finesse
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>>1197482
Are owlcats scared of giving the fighter too many options? It is an alpha though, maybe they just didn't implement everything yet.
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>>1197488
Those were implemented in the first game.
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>>1197492
Advanced weapon training was in the first game? I don't remember seeing the feat to pick extra options from the list before, but I never went beyond fighter 4 or 5 anyways
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>>1197492
So they added the adv weapon training options but not the feat to get more of them. Weird.
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>>1197494
To be fair they only implemented it later on after releasing all their DLC.
The option wasn't their at launch.
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>>1197082
>who changed themselves
Aeon's power was bestowed upon him, you dumb trannoid
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>>1197137
It does matter if retarded writers made cosmic balance autist to be inconsistent.
>queen extending her life through magical elixir - bad
>man changing himself into woman - good
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>>1197567
>>1197570
Guys lets end tranny debate already. Just kill Anevia in your aeon playthrough and be done with it.
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>>1197567
>He doesn't know
Come on anon, the moment you found out that you can time travel as an Aeon, you should have gotten suspicious.
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>>1197570
>Queen defies the cosmic engine of soul movement that literally keeps the universe from being destroyed
>Some peasant changes the dangly bit of water and protein between their legs
Perspective is important.
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>>1197590
Wouldnt Pharasma do something about it if she minded? She is usually incredibly butthurt about these things.
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>>1197587
well, it still was bestowed upon him by his future self though
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>>1197080
>>1197063
You will never be real Aeon.
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>>1197585
>implying any of the Mythic Paths would kill their best minion
Even Swarm keeps her around
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>>1197593
She only cares when it's through Necromancy
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>>1197601
Kind of weird really. You can even kill her wife and she is basically only living person left after your little "purge".
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>>1197593
Even if she is the biggest and baddest of the Gods, she is still bound by that nebulous treaty that prohibits intervention (except when it doesn't, even the writers have admitted it must does whatever the plot demands), so she only moves against major "clogs in the tubes" as it were. People like, say, a Lich looking to turn an entire kingdom into a necromantic capital where the land itself is tainted to prevent true death.
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>>1197590
pharasma only cares if it has the potential to fuck up the river of souls, ie making everyone immortal

that was the case with the early elixir of immortality and remains the case with necromancy
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>>1197596
Last time I got something from my future self, I accidentally caused an undead apocalypse and kickstarted a cult that wanted to make my soul suffer for eternity.
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>>1197608
In retrospect how has Ustalav not been purged yet anyway?
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>>1197590
>implying one person makes big difference
>implying the only difference between men and women is the shape of genitals
Not sure if trolling or really this retarded. Not to mention that mentally ill peasants shouldn't be allowed to make their delusions real. Both cases should judged by Aeon or neither. That's the only perspective, you freak.
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>>1197606
Its definitely due to Paizo.
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>>1197619
I said it before and I'll say it again: dnd and adjacent's deities are nothing more than writer's pets and plot devices, the only thing every writer wants to do with them is either keep their baby (or sacred cow, if the deity was invented by someone in the past) alive and make it do cool stuff in their power fantasy.

So, why isn't ustalav purged? Pharasma's writer is just kinda uninterested because he wants to play barbie with pharasma more and make cool lore like " THIS deity is like 101028971289793826881372987982 years old and has laser eyes and truesight and tremorsense and can rewrite reality whenever someone says souls and ihdsuhidshaudsi"
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>>1197619
Do you mean like, say, the The Shining Crusade?

>>1197623
Sure, enjoy your right wing larp, fag.
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>>1197626
It doesnt make Anevia look good really. She ignores her wifes death and teams up with swarm of flesh eating locusts.
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>>1197606
Irabeth's kind of useless compared to Anevia, and has that whole freak out moment so she gets the axe, just like Galfrey
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>>1197634
you will never be a woman
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>>1197635
Defeating the Demonic Horde>dead spouse
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>>1197641
You will never touch a woman.
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>>1197637
What Anevias position in crusade?
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>>1197644
Demons might be rape-pillage-murder machines but Abyss still has some structure. Whats the point of defeating them when you replace them with flesh-eating mythic-powered swarm?
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>>1197646
>projection from tranny abomination
how typical
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>>1197649
Spymaster, if I recall correctly.
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If she can turn a mortal into mythic tier creature she also can turn you into a girl.
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>>1197656
If I'm a tranny why would I want to touch a woman?
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>>1197660
Can I fuck her
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>>1197660
she doesn't waste time for delusions of mentally ill retards though
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>>1197663
Maybe you are transbian like Anevia?
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>>1197663
there's many retarded tranny dykes like Anevia
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>>1197664
lorewise she is your mother
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>>1197667
Nah, I'm sure she'd still make time for you, anon.
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>>1197674
I don't want to LARP a woman like you though.
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>>1197673
That doesnt answer the question.
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>>1197680
she is warth's nyrissa so yeah
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>>1197688
YEEEESSSSS
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couldnt u unironically just shapeshift into a woman
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>>1197654
Mortals structure in that abyss is to be rape/murdered/eaten in no particular order, making it no better than the Swarm, best to just leave fixing that particular problem to the gods since they can't claim non-intervention with it like with the demons as they already had a hand in Swarmman's creation
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>>1197703
>gods try to stop swarm
>swarm eats them
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>>1197712
Swarm's getting shoved into Rovagug's cage
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BETA
IN
>TWO
DAYS
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>>1197731
That a fact?
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>>1197733
a foolish hope
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>>1197027
Has new swarm info come out?
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>humans
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>>1197731
One of them already said the beta was happening not so soon, so unlikely
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>>1197744
xenos
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>>1197744
Elves>The rest
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>>1197784
Humans are aliens though
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humans are oppressors who stole our glory
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>>1197750
They literally said on some lifestreams that it is fucking 15th January.
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>>1197308
shut the fuck up autist
"competitive" singleplayer nigger
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>>1197719
if that was the swarm epilouge it would be kino
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>>1197824
based
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>humans were uplifted from being stick monkeys by ancient alien fish people who were also the ones at fault for Starfall
Huh, and here I thought the elves were aliens thing was a surprise
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>>1197825
>Swarm dumped into Rova's hole
>Swarm enters and eats Rova
>Swarm breaks out almost instantly powered by the energy of diety it feasted on
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someone explain the true neutral alingment to me
it makes even less sense than CN
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>>1197841
>dude I was just passing through don't ask me
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>>1197841
Sitting in your room masturbating all day
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>>1197841
Half assed opportunists not quite willing to go all the way in fucking over and cheating everyone to get everything they want
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>>1197841
Milquetoast centrist.
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>>1197834
It just keeps getting better and better.
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>>1197841
You do whaterver you see right.
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>>1197820
source
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>>1197877
my ass
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>>1197841
you don't let others tell you what's right or wrong
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>>1197841
>be dumb peasant from Kenabres
>the wife gave me 2 coins to buy that good meat bun from the bakery for dinner
>go buy the buns but get kidnapped and raped somewhere by a demon that puts mythical juice into me anus
>get dropped outside the walls of kenabres
>ass itches and I'm critically wounded but still only want those good meat buns
>festival is in full swing when they drop me in front of the head inquisitor and that silver dragon lady to heal me
>I ask them to leave me alone, I need to buy me meat buns for the wife
>"Enjoy the festivities and search for me later"
>go to the bakery and find the baker's wife cleaning around
>"The husband went to the festivities to sell the meat buns"
>go to his stall
>suddenly fucking demons pour out of rifts
>fuck huge demon comes from the sky and beheads dragon lady
>get approached by midget
>"HEY, SHOOT THIS!"
>"well, ok"
>do it
>demon gets mad at me and tears kenabres in half with his scythe
>fall into the crack
>"damn it, the wife will get mad at me"
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I WANT TO FUCK CAMELLIA
I WANT TO POUND THAT CRAZY HALF ELF PUSSY UNTIL MY SKIN FALLS OFF FROM FRICTION

I WANT TO FUCK HER UNTIL I PASS OUT FROM EXHAUSTION, WAKE UP AND KEEP POUNDING UNTIL THE DAY I DIE AND GO TO HELL, THEN POUND HER EVEN MORE

IF THE WORDS "I WANT TO FUCK CAMELLIA” WAS TRANSLATED TO EVERY LANGUAGE ON EARTH IT STILL WOULDN'T BE EVEN CLOSE TO MAKING YOU UNDERSTAND JUST HOW MUCH I WANT TO FUCK CAMELLIA. THROUGHOUT THE GALAXIES AND GALAXIES WITHIN OUR ENTIRE UNIVERSE THERE IS NO CULTURE WHOSE LANGUAGE IS SUFFICIENTLY CAPABLE OF DESCRIBING MY ABSOLUTE, UNREFINED ANIMALISTIC LUST I HAVE FOR CAMELLIA.

I WANT TO FUCK CAMELLIA I WILL DIE FUCKING CAMELLIA I WILL PASS TO THE AFTERLIFE AND CONTINUE FUCKING THE RULING ENTITY TO DEATH ONLY TO EVENTUALLY COME BACK IN A FORM CAPABLE OF CARRYING OUT MY URGE TO FUCK CAMELLIA TO THE FULL EXTENT OF MY LUST. THEN I WILL DIE ONCE MORE AND REPEAT THE PROCESS FOR ALL ETERNITY

I WILL KEEP POUNDING THAT PUSSY UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS DIMENSION BUT ME, MY COCK, CAMELLIA, AND MY INSATIABLE LUST.
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>>1197892
I have a feeling that you and Camellia will get on like a house on fire.
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>>1197891
>suddenly everyone treats me like I'm their leader, but I just want to buy the meat buns before the wife gets mad
>start climbing back to the surface, get approached by ugly mutant people
>don't really care about the struggle since I have me meat buns to worry about
>keep climbing, one of the uglies gets into my party for some reason
>reach the surface, commander lady thinks I have saved her man-wife but I was just around for me meat buns for me wife
>situation is out of control, need to deal with the demons to reach the baker's stall
>deal with them until I get KO'd
>wake up in random tavern, everyone thinks of me as their leader for some reason and ask me to do stuff
>agree only for my own reasons, since I need to reach those meat buns and I won't be able to do it without help
>get back to the market
>find the baker in a puddle of demon goo, larvae and stomped meat buns
>"damn it, the wife will get mad at me"
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>20 years have passed and no one has been able to surpass her
romance sucks
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>>1197913
Go on, I enjoy it.
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>>1197913
kek
quality, anon
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>>1197916
God I want to lick her legs
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>those boots
>when she's running around all day
SNIFFFFFFFFFF
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>>1197954
her hooves don't have sweat glands, anon.
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So, what the absolute fuck is up with the Sinful Sinew?
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>>1197913
>>1197919
>through the journey I start to realize strange powers are dwelling inside me
>realize that if such power can be harnessed, I could be able to copy baker's recipe and technique without relying on him
>go to the house, which is still standing
>"Where are the meat buns?"
>"demons, me love"
>"I'm mad, you can't fuck me bum tonight"
>continue my journey fighting the demons to harness enough power to get me wife happy
>through the journey many entities try to take a hold of me, offering me many boons
>none interest me since they ask me to serve a higher purpose, I just want me meat buns for me wife to fuck her in the bum
>achieve many feats, some approached as morally correct by many, some approached as morally wrong by others, every single machination serving my purpose of the meat buns
>become a legend in the land through and through, the many companions that join me start developing new powers just by standing near me
>win the crusade after many hardships, betrayals and deaths
>don't have any strong feelings about any of that
>reach demi-god status and finally, through my prescient wisdom, unmatchable strength and virtually infinite intellect I create my first meat bun out of thin air
>give it to the wife
>"oh yeah, this is good"
>pump my divine semen deep into her rectum, the wife's eyes literally start glowing and she becomes a perfect version of herself whatever that means
>"oh yeah, that was good too. Go buy some milk from the neighbour's cow by the way."
>get out with a new purpose in life
>see Rovagug has scaped his prison and is literally destroying reality
>my great wisdom allows me to instantly know my neighbour's cow has been swallowed by the great beast, and the records of it's existence have been erased with it as well as the whole concept of her being, making it a near impossible feat to get that milk back unless the great beast is defeated and the threat to reality destroyed
>"damn it, the wife will get mad at me"
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>34 IPs
>daily threads
Yep, time for you to fuck off to >>>/vg/ where you belong.
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>>1198024
cope.
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>>1197947
>>1197954
Get lost, you disgusting foot freaks

>>1197988
It's not Warcraft. She don't have hooves
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>>1198044
Owlcats give her the tiefling model, the real succ model will be with wings and hooves. Demon girl's hooves are cute and need to be cherished
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>>1198057
she has human feet in her portrait though
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>>1198061
Desna is slowly turning her into ugly female human.
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>>1198057
That's Minagho. She is a demon but not succubus
In Pathfinder succubus don't have hooves

https://www.pngwing.com/en/free-png-xsndp
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>>1198068
Get lost, Asspull anon. Nobody like you and nobody believe in your freaky theories
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>>1198071
>Minagho
fuck this bitch, she lead my lad staunton astray
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>>1198071
UMMM, EXCUSE ME but succubus queen has them.
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>>1197954
High quality post.
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>>1198083
Yup, I know. But you will probally have chance to kill her

In AP the one who led Stauton astry was demoness Jerrebeth
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>>1198091
>Jerrebeth
That's the one you meet in Wintersun, right?
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>>1198088
But it not mean that every succubus will have them.
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>>1198079
Never. Also, aeon goes back in time stops Ember from getting burned and romances her.
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>>1198079
you will never be loved by succubus. never
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>>1198103
You said that one. Now try to make theory about new romances (You said about lesbian Nenio as well)
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>>1198103
>source: dude, just trust me
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>>1198083
That dumbass Staunton was always going to stray
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>>1198106
Dont know if I mentioned it already but Gallfrey will be angel-only and Sosiel will be gay romance.
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>>1198103
She would still be underaged even if we did go back in time
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>>1198103
>Ember from getting burned and romances her
The devs repeatedly said no to an Ember romance. One of them called an anon a sick fuck and told him to get therapy. If you even mention an Ember romance in their streams you get fucking banned.
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Only ugly old humans. remember these words, you aren't a real mythic, the power will be taken away and you ends being a human again. you will never be cool mythichad. you are filthy peasant with Valery wife. Beautiful immortal creatures like Succubi or Fey will never love you. You are miserable mortal who serves to foolish gods who doesn't care about anything.
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>>1198125
literally every path has you keeping your power, why are you talking out of your ass? retard.
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>>1198125
BUG
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>>1198125
Aivu loves you, truly the best girl.
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>>1198131
why is this a problem? do africans not have flamethrowers?
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>>1198095
Yes but she is a glabrezu shapeshifted into an elf qt in the the books and she was the one who seduced the dorf, not minagho.
Fuck knows what reason besides bug fetish has ridden Owlcat to switch her out.
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>>1198122
Mods will fix that.
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>>1198155
based
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>>1198155
Honestly doubt that someone will both write a whole fapfic romance and have the knowledge to put it in the game, but I would love to be proven wrong there
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>>1198155
we women won't allow it
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>>1198169
You will never be a woman.
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>>1198169
>women
haha
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>>1198138
Because only whitey should eat bugs apparently.
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>>1198181
>>1198192
Never answer the attention whore, that is just what keeps them from 41%-ing and improving the world
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>>1198181
>>1198192
>>1198203
Typical incels. No wonder you cant get laid.
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>>1198200
nah they're totally eating them
https://news.trust.org/item/20200212163638-npj7z
it's the best source of protein they're gonna get desu
>>1198203
i understand, i will do better in the future
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Is angel's power work with fists? Can i become a fist not a sword for TOOT?
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>>1198214
Not sure if sword of heaven abilities work for unarmed, needs testing
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>>1198214
I heard that they plan to remove monks from the WotR
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>>1198214
yes
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>>1198024
yeah dude vrpg is such a bustling board we really need to make room
retard
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>>1197016
So was this the one with cuckoldry or not?
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>>1198275
>remove monks
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>>1198286
you're thinking DOS2
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>>1198286
Only Angel, GD and Azata paths include cuckoldry also romancing Arue too.
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COPE
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>>1198306
What about Wenduag? She goes for the strongest man, which points to classical NTR scenario.
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>>1198317
you literally cuck lann if you romance wendaug. he tried to give her children but his seed was too weak and the baby was born without a nose and died in a week. i am not shitposting. this is verbatim what the dialogue said.
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>>1198286
No, the game is not out yet. You are probably thinking about DOS2, namely Red Prince romance.
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>>1198317
She's already used goods when you meet her anyway. Well, they all most likely are. Even Ember probably helped some poor bastard to lose his virginity given how nice she is.
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>>1198332
So I cant have perfect pure waifu? Do I have to play azata and groom aivu?
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>>1198332
your brain is so fried it's pathetic.
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>>1198337
sexy dragon toddler
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>>1198346
Give her 200 hundred years and she will be gorgeous.
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>>1198346
The sweetest meat.
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>>1198337
I mean, Aivu was literally sent to you by other azata as a lifelong companion, so it probably should be fine after she gets legal.
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>>1197016
How does one start on the swarm path? I'm playing a generic fighter and just got to the city from the underground. Should I reroll?
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>>1198358
Not in alpha.
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>>1198356
>as a lifelong companion
Daughter-wife is even better than cunny like Ember. Looks like Azata being chad memeing stroked back
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>>1198361
OK, I'll keep playing this char until the beta drops
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I'm still mad you couldn't romance the bridge over the gudrin river's crag linnorm in kingmaker.
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>>1198358
It isnt added in yet.
All we have now is stuff like a little foreboding during the vescava stuff and a teasing dialog path for the drazen tavern.
Probably have to rip the idea out of the boss in Ivory Sanctuary in the full game but it is simply unknown atm
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>>1198363
>pounding dragon cunny at Supersonic Speed with Incredible Might
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>>1198372
>Not going for the tease near Regis test that hides the owlcat item for you
NGMI
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>>1198372
How does one romance a bridge
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>>1198385
>doesn't know how 's work
How do you function?
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>>1198363
is going azata the only way you get aivu? haven't played the alpha
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>>1198374
It's clear he's the one who gives you the idea to pursue this path. But i suspect you will need to find rest through the game, to put in the efort he did as he say. I bet it will be the hardest mythic to unlock.
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>>1198392
Yes, you azata power is her anchor on this plane.
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>>1198392
Yes.
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>>1198358
>>1198374
>>1198395
His notes. That's the secret.
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>>1198395
True and I alreaydy wonder how much difference it will make if you tell him about Jerribeth's capture attempt or not. Which makes him go totally nuts in battle btw, be warned. Swarm bros really disliked getting controlled
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>>1198410
>spoiler
Fucking this, he went up to FULL HEALTH for round 2. The first fight was just him half assing and it was still the hardest fight in the alpha.
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>>1198421
Cant blame him, he was probably halfassing shit and planning on some fib like 'Oh those pesky heroes banished my ass, see if YOU do better against them faggot' to every demonlord trying to make him do shit he is not really interested in before you mention her betrayal
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>>1198421
I'm still not sure how that fight worked, some reloads the swarms just literally walked over my guys and instantly killed everything, and sometimes they did nothing.
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>>1198443
Yeah the story-driven confuse on the overcharged demons seems to work better than the dev have intended. Which means the battle will likely become even more nasty in Beta, not a nice thought.
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So, speaking of Vanthir, how are you supposed to open the door to his place? The door is locked and fiddling with the buttons in the next door only gave me some loot. Is there a key I've missed?
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how does the angel sword work? is it an actual weapon?
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>>1198487
it's something you activate, like divine weapon bond or magus arcana
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>>1198517
bros...sword saint angel...
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Asspull Anon here. The devs reacted that way to the idea of romancing the Ember as she is - a child in a grown woman's body. Due to Aeon's actions, she matures in a proper way, and is a grown woman, in mind and body. I don't know why that's so difficult to grasp.
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>>1198575
stop being an attentionwhore, anon
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>>1198575
>Asspull
More like assplug
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>>1198575
Asspull-kun, can we groom Aivu into perfect daughter-wife?
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>>1198575
Wait Ember isnt a loli but just a tard?
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>>1198561
Yes, it will be pretty good.
Arcane and divine buffs on your own, and you can probably even wield radiance.
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>>1198583
>>1198584

See? No rational answer. What a sad state of affairs.
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>>1198575
Because she's in a teenagers body, not a womans body, dumb ass.
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>>1198587
No.

>>1198588
Ember is a grown woman with a child's mind due to trauma - think extreme version of Aerie. Romancing her as she is would be as romancing a mentally retarded person.
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Asspull anon here. The devs reacted that way to the idea of romancing the Ember as he is - a man in a grown woman's body. Due to Aeon's actions, he matures in a proper way, and is a grown man, in mind and body. I don't know why that's so difficult to grasp
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>>1198588
Ember was born on the same day the Worldwound first showed up, making her a hundred or so and a teenager in Elf years
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>would be as romancing a mentally retarded person
So just like any female ever?
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>>1198588
>>1198597
Aivu is being rised for black dragons confirmed
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>>1198600
That's a misinterpretation, both in Pathfinder and Forgotten Realms. A 20 year old Elf is still considered an adult, just like a 20 year old Human.
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>>1198605
Qute:
"Elves generally mature physically as adults by 20-30 years of age, but it takes several more decades for them to mature emotionally into adults."
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>>1198575
cool story, bro
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Asspull Anon here. Swarm can have sex with Deskari.
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>>1198590
What is rational answer for some retard posting make up bullshit?
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Fine, I won't post here anymore. Either way the discussions here have already turned into muck-raking. Have a good one.
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>>1198618
Can't a Swarm character get a locust from Deskari in their own swarm according to the datamined info? Would that count on being the top or the bottom?
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>>1198597
>romancing a mentally retarded person
didn't see what wrong with it, as long as it's intelegence atleast at Ember lvl.
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>>1198626
Dont take it personally Asspull. Until the game is out there is no proof that anything you say is truth.
Its far more likely that you are just pulling it out of your ass(hence the nickname).
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>>1198626
Take it personally, fuck off.
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>>1198655
this
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>>1198655
I doubt that he/she/it will
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>>1198626
>posting some shit without any proof
>WAAAHHH Why no one believes me?! Why are you so mean to me?! WAAAHHH
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>>1198658
One can but hope
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>>1198661
I don't know why they like to bring unproved theories...to cause chaos? Cuz they are sended by devs to discredit datamining...Or simply because they are sick fucks who like to irritating peoples
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Let's talk about gold dragon.

Are there dragonborn in pf? If not, are there any draconic humanoids taller than kobolds and similar to dragonborn?

I know saurians exist, but they're more based on dinos on what I recall.
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>>1198695
No you filthy scalie fucker
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>>1198695
you don't become a dragon-like you literally become a dragon
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>>1198700
The fact that I want the Gold Dragon commander to sit on my face doesn't mean the question has no merit
>>1198703
I know that, I just asked if there's a chance for a dragon-like race to be added so I can play Gold Dragon as a Dragonblooded Dragonborn sorcerer/Dragon disciple
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>>1198687
I did it just for a few laughs. so i'm sure there is more asspull anons who did the same.
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>>1198687
You should seriously get 4chanX, very easy to stop imitators that way
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Did Areelu really do anything wrong?
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>>1198755
Continuing her existence
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>>1198755
Besides helping unleash legions of demons upon Golarion, resulting in countless deaths and unfathomable misery? No, not really.
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>>1198755
giving you demon aids
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perhaps the real righteous were the friends we made along the way
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>>1198772
friends?
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>>1198772
Friends?
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Where is Jerribeth supposed to be once you're done with Vanthir?
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>>1198819
The bedroom where you found the plant man, if I remember right
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>>1198819
just leave and she'll be on your way.
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>>1198797
I wonder if you will be able to meet the companions when you rise as Swarm, considering only few people remained in the city after you got smitten.
>>1198819
Use secret passage, she is in the left corner of the room.
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>>1198772
We really were the Wrath of the Righteous weren’t we Anevia?
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will swarm monger be in?
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>>1198755
Yes.
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>>1198828
>>1198827
>>1198825
Thanks, she was hidden thanks to the camera angle
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>>1198889
>camera angle
the rotating camera was a mistake imo
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>>1198895
We wouldn't be able to get big visually impressive maps without it thoug
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>>1198905
Simply not true
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>>1198895
The cam itself is nice. Not having some default 'north setting' for it linked on a button press is sort of a bitch, and hopefully something Owlcat will fix
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>>1198907
The siege of Drezen would never work without it
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>mfw get back to Drezen with a dead Ember after the Ivory Sanctum, everyone else is already on Death's Door
>Hand of the Inheritor comes, discussion about the Fane
>mfw Aivu proposes to go there now
>mfw don't even have time to rest, have to jump straight into it
thanks Aivu, very cool
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>>1198939
>following some underage dracs suggestions
You get what you deserve there.
Not even sure how that works, but you might actually be better off if that means you did not call in Galfrey on a 2 week notice and have to defend her ass.
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>>1198939
is the resting spot by the entrance not there without galfrey?
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>Be King/Commander
>Can't hire some chumps to gather the loot I leave behind and stuff it into a chest back at base
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>>1198967
make a mercenary with 19 strength
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>>1198959
Reloaded a save and got the option to leave and come back later with the Azata option

>>1198963
It was more of a "oh shit, need to bring back Ember before going down and to get that debuff out" situation.
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So, if i run in party with less than 6 people do i get extra exp?
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>>1198974
only if you remove the shared party XP option in menu
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>all that mythic COPE
Just Rip and Tear, bro, you don't really need to be a glowing fag to do so.
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>>1198986
good boy, following iomedae's advice
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>>1198970
Speaking of mercs, I wish they learned from KM and let you stuff them into offices while retaining the events
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>>1198828
>I wonder if you will be able to meet the companions when you rise as Swarm, considering only few people remained in the city after you got smitten.

And if yes, then what?
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>starts kingmaker
>it rains ingame
>wants to uninstall the game
Is there away to fix this garbage movement speed?
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>>1199018
Then we shall dine.
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>>1199018
imagine if we could assimilate them
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>>1199026
aside from exotic shit like stormlord immunities?
DEAL WITH IT, BITCH
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Whats some lore stuff can I read while waiting for the release? Never was a pathfinder guy and played kingmaker without knowing anything.
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>>1199035
As swarm of bees?
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>>1199046
There are actually some shit-tier pathfinder novels, one of them about some Rogues party fucking around with some demonic tower in the Worldwound.
Other option are the adventure books for WotR, but those invite story spoilers
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>>1199054
i couldnt find a picture of a man covered in locusts
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>>1199026
Get bag of tricks and favorite the setting to return the weather to normal
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When will they let you do your daily/weekly devotions?
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>>1199166
some of them get pretty out there
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>>1199174
I still say Lamashtu would be first choice for Wenduag going believer, she just seems the type
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Would owlcat be mad enough to add a 4x minigame one day?
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>>1199174
>Obedience: Seek out the most verdant plant life in the immediate area and achieve sexual release amidst it, either alone or accompanied. At the moment of climax, whisper a secret belonging to someone else. The secret must be different each time.
Indeed
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>>1199174
>Preach of the coming end times to a listener who has not yet accepted this truth. If the person leaves or otherwise refuses to listen to you for the full hour, you must find another person to preach to so that you are proselytizing the entire time.
So Harrim was just doing devotions the entire time?
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>>1199342
Yes. That's what clerics do.
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>>1199174
A simple
>Perform Devotion
mission with some flavor text on the mangement map would be fine
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Is Nenio's portrait her final one or placeholder?
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>>1199408
>Oy lads, why does the commander keep cooming in the fields outside the camp? Talks to himself too
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>>1199494
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>>1199499
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>>1199504
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>>1199508
>You WILL pay one hundred euros for beta, foreigner.
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>>1199504
She cute.
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>>1199525
It seems to randomise them quite a bit, if you get ones you don't like just upload the pic again
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>>1199532
vs classic
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>>1199494
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>>1199532
Starting college.
>>1199550
Sick of games and ready to settle down.
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do mercs also get super juiced by your mythic power
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Since galfrey is not a companion, does that mean she'll die a few decades after we close the worldwound and the crusaders stop buying her queen bathwater of youth orchid elixir? Honestly getting immortality shouldn't be that hard for a 20th level character, let alone one with 10 mythic levels. It's even a class feature for wizards and alchemists
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>>1200019
i think part of her background fluff is wanting to die but refusing to let it happen and accepting the elixirs given to her until the wound is finally gone
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I am just here to ask something
is your lich a fleshy lich or a skeleton lich?
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>>1200055
skelly
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>>1200111
I am in
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I usually play melee but am interested in spellcaster for this came. I want to stick to the core classes. Which is better Wizard or Sorcerer? I am familiar with the differences on tabletop but am unsure on how they translate to video games and which is better in the video game.
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>>1200033
I hope her romance lets us rekindle her love for life then. Otherwise it'll be the big sad. Imagine azata dying too because of that trait it has where if your friends all die you get drained and die.
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>>1200122
Sorcerer is both easier and stronger. A big part of wizard and most prepared spellcasters is downtime shenanigans with niche spells like binding demons or spamming guards and wards spells everywhere. They can't do that here with the limited spell lists (thankfully)
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>>1200019
Yes, and you're assuming she wants immortality when she's planned to make the 5th crusade her last, regardless of how it goes
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>>1200144
When did I said anything about giving her immortality and asking for her thoughts on the matter?
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Is the infamous tabletop campaign pair (the one with the gender belt and lover) in the video game to a large extent?
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>>1200177
literally the first portrait you see is the tranny's
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>>1200326
looks like either cleric or oracle.
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>>1200214
At least the tranny is a competent guy and a spymaster, largely because he is a man. Being born as a male with a dick makes you much better at war, because you are not a woman.
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>>1200326
Asamar oracle
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>>1200331
>>1200333
Thought as much, thanks.

Lunar oracle isn't in, is it? I figured maybe ancestor or wind
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>>1200341
Yeah, Lunar isn't an option. If it was, it'd be the most powerful option in the game.
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>>1200341
I don't think lunar got in the game. There is a chance they are going to add it, but at this point it doesn't seem likely.
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>>1200122
You could go magus. Slap shit in melee with a spell imbued weapon but also get good spells
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>>1200131
>tfw Galfrey passes away in all endings except the ones where you're romancing her
queenbros...
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>>1200349
>If it was, it'd be the most powerful option in the game.
Why is it so powerful?
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>>1200659
Well, it's got
>infinite use wildshape
>at-will usage of a ranged touch attack beam that blinds people
>the ability to use Wall of Force (Charisma) times per day
>An animal companion, apropos of nothing
>Charisma to armor class
>The ability to get claws, gore, or a bite attack, which is something every full attacker wants
It's essentially Druid+ with some extra crazy utility stacked on top of it, and Druid is already one of the most powerful classes in the game.
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>>1200667
What are the drawbacks, compared to other oracles?
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>>1200673
Nothing. The only thing you lose out on is the unique abilities available to other Mysteries, of which Lunar gets the strongest ones - such as getting Charisma to AC on a charisma based full-caster class.
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>>1200678
Does the charisma to ac stack with a scaled fist dip?
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>Arue builds her own dream
>no option to tell her that you only dream of her
>no option to ask her why she isn't dreaming of you after the event of the Areelu lab
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>>1200683
Yes.
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>>1200685
If only paladin could be neutral good and keep divine grace, you'd be able to worship desna and get the starknife shooting star feats to become a charisma ubermensch - double cha to ac, cha to saves and cha to attack/damage.

I don't knwo if I should be happy or unhappy that owlcats are keeping the autism at bay.
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>>1200684
she is dreaming about her ex love azata the strongest elisium farmer
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>>1200726
kek
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>>1197367
wait can storyteller do that?
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>>1197016
I seriously hope they do difficulty well in this game. Unfair wasn't fun in Kingmaker. And before you faggots say anything, I beat Kingmaker on Unfair, multiple times. Bloat isn't fun - nor is reloading multiple times, nor is eating a random 30+ crit to the face; at level one.
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>>1200763
> Unfair wasn't fun in Kingmaker. And before you faggots say anything, I beat Kingmaker on Unfair, multiple times.
The fuck is wrong with you then.

Also no, bloat is necessary in this game, because of obscene power level and the amount of magical equipment you get.
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>>1200771
>bloat is necessary in this game
Shut the fuck up you retard. How many hours do you even have in Pathfinder?
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>>1200776
I don't post fucking anime, so my opinion is more valuable by default.
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>>1200758
He's like the oldest living mortal on the entire continent and the last remaining archmage of pre-Earthfall Kyonin

>>1197367
Because that would get in the way of his story-collecting hobby
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>>1200781
where do you think you are again?
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>>1200781
Oh I see. You don't play video games, you just shitpost about them. Go back to the Codex. Those fags would embrace you with open arms. If you think Bloat is necessary, you're a retard, who hasn't played many games. If higher difficulties are nothing more than reload fests, then that is a terrible thing. period.
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>>1199532
Is this just me or does Aru look like Rachel from original Blade Runner in some of those?
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>>1200785
Nah, sorry, but you are the one who is retarded here. If you want to remove BLOAT from enemy, then you first must remove it from the player, and wotr clearly goes another way. And if higher difficulties are reload fest for you, then you clearly aren't good enough to play them, so fuck off and play story mode.

Still got a nice laugh from
> Unfair wasn't fun in Kingmaker.
> I beat Kingmaker on Unfair, mul
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>>1200684
>no option to shackle her to the bed she dreamed and breed her here and now
It's ok, it's just a dream, a manifestation of her desires and fears, so it's all good.
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>>1200801
>her desires and fears
all about AZATACHAD
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>>1200763
To allay some of your concerns, do you remember Ratnook Hill, or whatever it was called? That one place in chapter 1 you could go to and, if you didn't prep specifically for the enemy there, a wererat alchemist was going to rock your shit while his friends held you down?

We have explicit confirmation that Unfair difficulty is being designed by the guy who made that encounter, rather than purely through number bloat.
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>>1200794
You sure are a dumb ass. Tell me, how many hours do you have in Kingmaker, and how many times have you beaten the game?
>>1200797
>The git gud argument
Kek. Don't even test me with that gay shit.
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>>1200805
>desires an azatachad and fears another one
kino
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>>1200810
>We have explicit confirmation that Unfair difficulty is being designed by the guy who made that encounter, rather than purely through number bloat.
That would explain why the monsters in that game seem a bit more intelligent than in Kingmakeer
>tfw minotaurs in the Ivory Sanctum can activate traps to crush your party
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>>1200810
Yes I am aware. However, we haven't seen what the high difficulties will be like.
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anything above normal is for minmaxing niggers that don't care about RP
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>>1200824
based gaming journalist
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>>1200828
based multiclassing autist
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>>1200810
This isn't a problem of some specific guy working on difficulty, it is a problem of someone working on it at all. Harder difficulties of pfkm were just number alterations not because they couldn't think of something better, but because they didn't allocate people to it.
Also no stat bloat is mandatory. No AI changes would ever cover the gap between casual player and hardcore minmaxer who knows how to stack shit. For the latter all those +8s to enemy stats should go as a baseline. You could make it the other way around, give enemy higher stat penalties on lower difficulties, but modern player isn't conditioned to voluntarily play on low difficulty at all.
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>>1200835
>stat bloat is mandatory
Has imo not only to do with minmaxxers.
Nearly every crpgs drops high-powered magical items way more often than any sane DM would, and all players have come to expect that sort of loot.
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>>1200854
Can't you craft shit in tabletop though
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>>1200856
Yes.
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>>1200860
Yeah but the investment is usually far worse for tabletop, and it is again something a DM can easily tweak with shit like exotic ingredients or XP cost.
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>>1200854
Thats another gamebreaking thing in pfkm. Honestly, enemy getting more AC and AB to combat minmaxers is one thing, it is a purely arithmetic balancing which is ok. But player getting a lot of "+8 to every stat" gear is another thing, that changes the way game is played by enabling MAD builds. Unfair difficulty is even worse, it completely breaks damage economy, makes avoidance much more powerful than healing and ruins damage resistance forever.
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>>1200864
>XP cost.
Not a thing in Pathfinder item creation

>exotic ingredients
I don't believe I've ever run into a GM requiring this in over a decade of playing Pathfinder on the tabletop

>Character investment
Craft Magical Arms and Armor as well as Craft Wondrous Items is an investment of two feats to craft just about 90% of the game's magical items

>time investment
I know you didn't mention this but it's important to note that the Amazing Tools of Manufacture mean that you can massively speed up crafting time for your gear for the measly price of 6000 gold (or less, if you crafted them yourself), and since it reduces crafting time from eight hours for 1000 gold worth of crafting time to one hour per 2000, you can craft faster than usual while on the go in the field.

Crafting is not hard on the tabletop. Nor is it expensive or slow.
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>>1200866
Shit is also why most minmax builds that include casters end up as buffing sayajins that need 10 rounds to power their shit up.
Pure damage spells from casters are already fucked by tabletop default, nevermind the HP bloat in crpgs. And saving roll bloat makes save-or-die spells nearly useless and area CC into a pretty tame afterthought.
So nearly everyone ends up as a selfbuffing machine
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>>1200872
Fair enough.
But I honestly suspect your DM might just rethink how hard he makes crafting if you start churning out so many belts of physical perfection +4 that the party could put them on all animal companions or gift them to every damn NPC they have to keep safe.
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>>1200033
But can i change her mind with the power of love?
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>>1201049
You are a loveless being so no
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He did nothing wrong, lichbros, you saved him and offered him a adviser position in your necro-kingdom right?
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>>1201073
He is not even the original vordakai, just an apprentice.
Fuck him
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>Finally get Heal available on Daeran
God damn, I forgot how good this fucking spell is
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>>1201073
>cyclops
Get the fuck out of here
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>>1201092
human oppressor
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What do we know about Arcane Enforcer(new slayer subclass)?
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>>1198986
That picture desn't make sense, it is stated that even if slain, Abbadon would just be revived by the dark gods
Then again, 40K as a whole is reatrded
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>>1201078
that's tabletop continuity, no? i don't think that's the case with the game
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Beta when owlkeks?
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>>1201181
There's nothing indicating that he took the name of his master in the game. He in fact very explicitly calls it his own name.
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>>1200726
>>1200805
dreaming about fucking him up the ass again maybe lmao
>He was a poet and a knight once, a brave servant of Desna and a kind defender of the weak. I broke him. I seduced him, sent him away, beckoned him back with false hope of a reunion... I made him do things I'm too ashamed to recall now. I left him somewhere on the road to Alushinyrra, thinking that we was going to die in the nearest ditch, yet he somehow survived. And now... This wretched creature has spent so many years in the Abyss that I'm not sure if there's anything still left of the person I knew
he was a simp
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>>1201185
sorry, dear backers but COVID19 has affected our work and beta will be released in 2022. please understand.
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>>1201190
>I made him do things I'm too ashamed to recall now.
W-what things?
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>>1201190
it doesn't matter he still is the most important person for her, succubus self. After she become an ugly female at the end of game she will replace him with MC but for now he is everything for her.
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>it doesn't matter he still is the most important person for her, succubus self. After she become an ugly female at the end of game she will replace him with MC but for now he is everything for her.
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>>1201167
Yes, 30k is much better.
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>>1201202
enjoy azata's juice all over her body she won't allow you to touch. only HE can not you
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>Arue has become the designated shitpost waifu, leaving everyone else untouched
Nice
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>>1201216
You haven't been there during the Dark Spring of Datamining, when the backstory behind Camellia was revealed.
Those were some good, shitposting times.
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>>1201216
Just as predicted.
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>>1201216
pure waifus: ember, iomedae, nocticula, anevia
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>>1201199
>every companion dreams about what they want above everything in Areelu's lab
>Arue dreams about the MC
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>>1201226
>Camellia just dreams about stabbing people in the face
She's a pretty wholesome girl, I'll give her that.
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>>1201224
Nocticula has names of her lovers written on her wings.
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>>1201195
cuckpost on 4chan
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>>1201236
She is a pure slut, one who never promise you anything impossible like eternal love or other bullshit. She gives you herself and never expect you to not sleep with other woman. MC is a mythic sterile mutant, like witcher. His official wife knows that he sleeps with everyone and still love being together wit him playing in family. Being consort of her is the great honor for a mortal being like MC.
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>enjoy azata's juice all over her body she won't allow you to touch. only HE can not you
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What's the best mythic for a kineticist?
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>>1201216
to be fair all the waifus in this are shit just like vanilla kingmaker, hopefully dlc will fix it again
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>>1201251
>She is a pure slut, one who never promise you anything impossible like eternal love or other bullshit. She gives you herself and never expect you to not sleep with other woman. MC is a mythic sterile mutant, like witcher. His official wife knows that he sleeps with everyone and still love being together wit him playing in family. Being consort of her is the great honor for a mortal being like MC.
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Is there a soul devouring sword for magus necromancer?
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>>1201266
you can corrupt radiance
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>>1201255
Well, nothing really. You probably pick anything that gives straightforward buffs to your attack rolls or debuffs enemies. Maybe picking an archetyoe that has WIS or CHA as source for blasting and picking a mythic that uses said attribute for spellcasting.

If you want to be a kinetic Blade guy, that's a bit different
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>>1201303
What does using Kinetic Blade change?
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>>1201255
when in doubt, azata

or maybe legend who even knows what its about
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>>1201308
Well, if you are going to be on melee, it would be a good idea to have self buffs like mirror image and whatnot. So Lich suddenly becomes an interesting choice.
Or trickster with Mirror Image per die whiel also giving you free dice on top of hsis otehr bullshit.

And while Aeon has very few mechanics now, Inquisitor on steroids abilities that seems to be what they aim for would also help.

Heck, Demon Aspect that boosts CMB could be nice if you are planning a trip build too.
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>>1201268
Corruption is great, tell me there is more. Can I turn a whole village into undead?
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>>1201317
no clue, if it's anything like a necropolis run in HoMM you can turn all your fallen units into skeletons
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>>1201220
Everyone's already moved on from her though
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>>1201260
That implies the DLC waifus weren't also shit
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>>1201347
Kalikke wasn't really interesting, but Kanerah was a very nice option and the best treasurer
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>Fail to accomplish the mandatory quest one week because I've literally run out of demons to kill
>Instantly drop to -100 for confidence from both the royal court and nobles
Flighty bitches
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>>1201146
Not much at all.
I seem to remember they said it would be like a Slayer with Arcanists' Exploits.
I guess it would give up the ability to take Rogue Talents and Advanced Rogue Talents, getting Exploits and Greater Exploits in exchange. Not sure what they could give up for the Arcane Reservoir they'll need for exploits, maybe some or all their armor proficiencies?
Thing is in the Alpha Arcanisyts Exploits are mostly underwhelming and downright useless for Martials with the exception of dimensional slide. In PnP their are some cool exploits for martials though
>buff your weapon like a Magus for (CHA Modifier)x minutes
>cast Mage Armor on yourself, which may work with Archmage Armor (Mage Armor AC increases by half your mythic rank)
>cast False Life on yourself
>Spell Resistance
>Energy Resistance
Plus whatever new stuff Owlcat might come up with, I think it would make for a cool Full-BAB alternative to Magus and Eldritch Knight.
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>>1201396
The only exploit worth taking at the moment is Potent Magic. That's it. Owlcat said they were done adding exploits because
>We think that Arcanist has enough cool arcane exploits.
What a bunch of half assing faggots.
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>>1201409
Fuck. Didn't see the stream where they said that.
None of this would actually benefit an Arcane Enforcer since Wooden Flesh and Shadow veils can be easily replicated with spells. Another Subclass that's going to suck.
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>>1201396
Well that sucks. Does Slayer get any other subclass?
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>>1201417
Wasn't in the stream.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LiQywvnat0LBWOjVHauHHOi18xXjuVld7Bh2qVexjwM/
Line 21.
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>>1201423
Nothing new in the alpha.
Obviously they are still missing two undisclosed archetypes. Most Slayer Archetypes in PnP are pretty bad though.
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beta....
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>>1201501
You should immediately buy beta, foreigner. Owlcat deserves your money, they work very hard.
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>>1201507
As a russian I can't afford 100+ dollaroos on beta of all things.
Owlkots pls understand
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>>1201513
I dont care. Take them out of vodka fund if necessary.
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>>1201513
mr. mishustin give you 5000 on the new year. just add some some money and buy it.
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>>1201516
my bear would be very upset if I do that
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How you people take idea for whole that cuckhold/ntr nonsese?
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>>1201551
ESL shitposting. ignore it.
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>>1201551
I speaking the England very best but slowly slowly
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Do you think that Azata will have harem option?
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>>1201551
due to our internal research we discovered that that fetish is highly spread in US.
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Been running around for a bit and I can't find Wallflower. The girl said he'd be in the Market Square, right? Anybody know what specific part he's in, so I don't waste another twenty minutes?
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>>1201558
queen is for angelchads.
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>>1201567
By the bridge he's pretending to be a guard/paladin or whatever
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>>1201571
Aha, thank you very much.
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>>1201558
>no Ember
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>>1201567
You need to find the bard at Daeran's mansion first, so make sure you do that.
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>>1201578
I was thinking about putting Embers head on the baby instead of Aivu, but decided against it. Should I add Ember to harem?
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>>1201583
Already did that part, Wallflower's the only one left.
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>>1201584
You can do whatever you want with your shitty photoshops, anon. Do not hold back.
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>>1201584
Azata is a redeemer chad. His harem includes only 2 redeemable characters. Arue and Nocti
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>>1201588
Then yeah, Luke the other guy said, straight on from the original entrance to the area, where three(?) guys are are standing around next to the pit.
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>>1201558
Swarm is the harem option because you're fucking yourself millions of times. Also your romance would be happier as a swarm too. They just don't know it yet.
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>>1201657
haha this nigga really finna be seething
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>>1201663
You're a faggot.

inb4 quoted
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>>1201692
baste
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Is Eldritch Font good?
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>>1201705
seems hard to read
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>>1197124
Because they get fed. Don't respond to them. Ignore their posts.
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Is the crusade minigame fun or is it a chore like kingdom managment?
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>>1201814
I find it fun, but the quests the royal court gives you, particularly the one that goes "find victory twice per week" make it become a chore. Thankfully, those quests are being overhauled for beta.
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How likely is it that WotR is going to get a mode like Bag of Tricks?
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>>1201814
It's alright. Can be somewhat hard at the start but once you get reasonable numbers of paladins and hellknights going you just steamroll everything. But according to their alpha feedback they will be changing tons of stuff here, so i suppose beta experience will be fairly different anyway.
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>>1201828
like 90%
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>>1201828
It's the same engine, so assuming the guy who made BoT gives even half a shit, then it's a certainty. If not, it's still open source and someone will most likely do it themselves.
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>>1201847
>>1201862
Fantastic. I know it's a small thing, but making small adjustments or adding items to your inventory that you missed the first time around is a big deal for me.

Plus, it let me bypass shit like things in the kingdom management, and upgrading my mastodon pet to something resembling actual mastodon size.
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>there are people who legitimately defend unfair difficulty because 'number go up good'
>we will never have enemy arcane mages with contingency
>we will never have self buffing enemy codzilla
>we will never have arcane trickster enemies
>because number go up good
You are either braindead martialtrannies or this is the fate of all 3.5/pf players, to zealously shill a system that should have died long ago and shit on any attempt at progress, even the new edition by the same guys who got you out of the 4e shitfest because nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

I'm so glad these games aren't more mainstream and you don't mind that, the 3.5 plague should be contained and die as fast as possible. It has gone past its expiration date for far too long. It deserves a final death.
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>>1201908
Very good post, anon. However, you will never be a real woman.
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>>1201908
You tried played on Unfair and couldnt get out of Jamandis mansion, didnt you?
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>>1201908
you realize unfair is quite literally made to be unfair?
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>>1201936
>>1201940
>>1201926
This is prime 3.5e shill tactics. Notice how they don't even adress the argument, they just try to ad hominem whoever criticizes their system, because their brains can't suffer the cognitive dissonance required to even analize the criticism itself. They are sad creatures.
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>>1201940
>i-it's s-supp-osed t-to b-be s-shit!
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>>1201953
Yes. The devs give you a blaring warning that Unfair is not how the game should be played.
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>>1201908
You should accept that difficulty in games will always be just numbers go up. Anything else requires additional effort the journalist and majority of users on story or normal won't appreciate anyway.
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what's a codzilla?
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>>1201963
Then it should not exist as it is. All modes of the game should be meant to be able to be played.
>>1201965
That is true, though
>>1201970
Cleric or druid-zilla.

Search it, I can't do it justice with words
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>>1201970
"Cleric or Druid -zilla" is a term from DnD 3.5 when those two classes had class features that, by themselves, were stronger than entire other classes.
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>>1201970
Big guy playing cod.
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>>1201963
>B-but I have to play every single rpg on the highest difficulty, else people might think I'm a casual
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>>1201908
i mean there are people who legitimately defend the system where multiclassing is better than singleclassing
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>>1201945
Okay genius, so tell me how would you implement contingency? How would arcane trickster enemies make game harder? And self buffing is no different from bloating enemy stats. If you hate 3.5 so much go play BG3.
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>>1201977
See, this is another 3.5e shill tactic. When they know they can't win the fight, they resort to petty strawmanning, without invoking the name of the person who beat them up

>>1201982
Yes, I believe that because this system attracts dipfags in the masses, any discussion on balance is doomed to fail.
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>>1201908
How the fuck are these things related tho? I would have to have BOTH smarter and more skilled enemies AND higher base stats.
Numbers go up good is a baseline without which it is impossible to make game equally interesting for players of different amounts of system mastery.

And yeah, it seems like you've been filtered. Why don't people like you play on normal or lower? Unfair wasn't made for you. At all.
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How much longer before they announce the beta has been pushed back to February?
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>>1201974
Oh don't get me wrong, you can absolutely finish the game on Unfair, you're just forced to throw any manner of roleplay out the window.
>>1201977
You don't. Play the game how you like it.
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>>1201982
How is putting all your levels on a predermined path is better than doing your own build?
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>dips
I hate this meme so goddamn much.
Listen to me faggots, unless you're playing Unfair there is literally NO reason to dip
>vivisecionist
>scaled fist
>divine hunter
>archeologist
You're not retards, you can do this.
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>>1201988
>Why don't people like you play on normal or lower?
-> >>1201977
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>>1201993
How is randomly becoming a monk during a battle better than getting stronger in your original class
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>>1201991
>Oh don't get me wrong, you can absolutely finish the game on Unfair, you're just forced to throw any manner of roleplay out the window.

Plenty of single class builds are viable for unfair. Even those that have some issue in the early levels which is the hardest part, can be carried because you play a full party

Like, what did you want to roleplay as that Unfair did not allow you to? Wizard with 15 Int or maybe monk with 14 everywhere?
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>>1201998
May I dip into thug, senpai?
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>>1202002
You've went through basic hth training to realise your potential as high powered superhuman (if it is done this to get +ac from a mental stat) and to lay groundwork to learn few useful combat tricks (unarmed training for crane chain).
There, done. You don't have to level up in a random cave too, you can wait a bit until you get to the tow.
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>>1201984
>Okay genius, so tell me how would you implement contingency?
By NPCs? Just let them cast any spell in their spellbook as a free action even outside their turn with a huge list of triggers set to fuck up players.
>How would arcane trickster enemies make game harder?
Because it would make you think a bit more and use spells like glitterdust to counter their invis, but they can also dispel it so there's counterplay against your counterplay.
>If you hate 3.5 so much go play BG3.
No, I'm gonna wait until other people playtest the alpha for me.
>>1201988
>Numbers go up good is a baseline without which it is impossible to make game equally interesting for players of different amounts of system mastery.
And you fuck up the balance terribly that way. Entire archetypes like invulnerable rager become even more worthless, martials are dead and any caster that isn't a self buffer is dead weight even if you stack arcane bloodline+feats.

>And yeah, it seems like you've been filtered.
A bloo bloo my system good don't shittaalk my system a bloo bloo
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>>1202019
Wow so why do monks even train in monasteries if its so easy to become one
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>>1201991
>Oh don't get me wrong, you can absolutely finish the game on Unfair, you're just forced to throw any manner of roleplay out the window.
>Oh, you can finish the roleplaying game with one of the options to play it, it just stops being a roleplaying game
>>1202012
>Plenty of single class builds are viable for unfair. Even those that have some issue in the early levels which is the hardest part, can be carried because you play a full party
>base barbarian
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>>1202024
>Entire archetypes like invulnerable rager become even more worthless,
You seem to confuse it with the incoming damage modifier that is present excusively on unfair. Which is, yes, ufair.
>martials are dead and
Fucking bullshit.
>any caster that isn't a self buffer is dead weight even if you stack arcane bloodline+feats.
Fucking bullshitx2. If *you* cannot make a martial or a caster that would hit those increased ac/saves, then you aren't good enough for harder difficulties. Because for others it is quite possible.
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>>1202030
It isn't like you train in the monastery to get your single class levels, amigo. Apparently yes, it is that easy.
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>>1202056
>>>/trash/
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>>1202037
Yes, a class that has an early resource to use to boost attack and damage rolls and gets uncanny dodge at 2nd level along with higher HP pool for a stray hit (you are not tanking, are you) and base 40ft speed that allows to charge or move and attack and get archers for example even faster is a pretty good class, even for early unfair. First 2 levels of barb is one of the stronger martial dips for a reason.
And for mid-late game, you have pounce to delete enemies. Could you make a STRONGER build by picking anything else martial than barbarian after lv 10? Yes. Is Mad dog stronger than base barb< Yes. Is it prohibited for unfair? No, of course not.

Do you consider viable for unfair only classes with pets or something?
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>>1202040
>Fucking bullshit.
If you use any magic you aren't a martial
>Fucking bullshitx2. If *you* cannot make a martial or a caster that would hit those increased ac/saves, then you aren't good enough for harder difficulties. Because for others it is quite possible.
I never said mages wouldn't be able to hit those saves, just that they woudl be dead weight in comparison to what could've been in their party slot instead, a sword saint duelist monk vivisectionist.
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>>1202037
learn how to make a build and you'll be able to make an RP build on unfair easy peasy.
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>this whole discussion
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>>1202071
By the time sword saint/monk/vivi/duelist comes together, Casters already have school focus and a circlet to boost DC for spells high enough to beat weak saves consistently. I think you do not even play the fucking game at this point.

Also, sword saint does not need vivi to do the job in unfair in the first place. I would not suggest monk either because it's too MAD a build, even though teh dip is stronger.
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>>1202071
>If you use any magic you aren't a martial

Do monks count as magic? Cause they do well on unfair (you even have some retards using them for solo unfair, but that is a different story). In Fact, martials make some things easier for tutorial and early unfair is you have a full party. The only bigger crutch compared to them is pet classes.
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>>1202072
Could you give me an example if you're so smart, senpai? (Notice this is an actual senpai i wrote, it was not the word that sounds like family)
>>1202080
>y the time sword saint/monk/vivi/duelist comes together, Casters already have school focus and a circlet to boost DC for spells high enough to beat weak saves consistently
Sword saint build is together from the start, you can get agile weapon relatively pretty early with the light pick iirc, and the other levels just keep increasing your ac.
>Also, sword saint does not need vivi to do the job in unfair in the first place.
But anon, this is unfair.
> I would not suggest monk either because it's too MAD a build, even though teh dip is stronger.
>mad
stat belts and circlets.
>I think you do not even play the fucking game at this point.
want to know a secret?
I'm actually just shitposting because whining about unfair attracts you like bees to honey. Of course, you won't believe me, maybe even use the joseph meme
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>>1202062
Gold dragon is a mythic path in this game anon.
You can (not) stop me anon. Are you stupid anon?
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>>1202071
>If you use any magic you aren't a martial
Still bullshit. Look at ekun and nok nok in pfkm, do they have any problems killng shit with their base builds? Okay, ekun might not cast his lvl1 buffs, would that hurt him a lot?
Unless you want to exclude buffs from external sources and play 6 fighters, but such party composition would be shit and class balance has nothing to do with it.
> they woudl be dead weight in comparison
No no no, that doesn't work this way. It is either dead weight and simply cannot pull through higher difficulties (which isn't the case at all, singleclass casters are perfectly viable on every difficulty), or it is weaker than some more intricate builds and that is a good thing, because it means that systed is deep enough and player's effort put into building his characters gets rewarded.
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>>1202111
>would that hurt him a lot?
It'd reduce his damage VERY slightly. Like, by 2.5 damage per shot on average
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>>1202111
>No no no, that doesn't work this way. It is either dead weight and simply cannot pull through higher difficulties (which isn't the case at all, singleclass casters are perfectly viable on every difficulty), or it is weaker than some more intricate builds and that is a good thing, because it means that systed is deep enough and player's effort put into building his characters gets rewarded.
Multiclasses should always be weaker than singleclasses because they should be for roleplaying.
"Rewarding" the player for roleplaying just leads to the ivory tower thinking/problem
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>>1202107
post better art then and not your fetish scaly shit
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>>1202102
Stat belts and circles are not plentiful in chapter 1, which is what worries you the most at unfair.
Every single archetype can be very effective once you go past lv 5-6, the issue is 30% of them or so that underperform (compared to similar ones) in early game(but it's not impossible by any means).

Whether you are trolling or are just an idiot who cannot play the game properly is irrelevant at this point. I am merely correcting you.

>>1202120
>Multiclasses should always be weaker than singleclasses because they should be for roleplaying.
Man, today's thread is just magical.
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>>1202120
>Multiclasses should always be weaker than singleclasses because they should be for roleplaying.
This, except for prestige classes
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How many lesbians can my yuri fairy shag in the new game?
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>>1202130
>Man, today's thread is just magical.
It's a magical place. And also the statement is 100% correct. Ivory towers will fall.
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>>1202102
alchemist, eldritch scion/4DD, pure hospitaler.
you can make good builds, anon. you have it in you
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>>1202143
>eldritch scion/4DD
No sense vitals unless cotw and you get spell blending
>you can make good builds, anon. you have it in you
I will always repay kindness with kindness. Thank you, anon!
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>>1202129
>reward mastery of game mechanics in roleplaying game
wow it's almost as bad as 5th ed
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>>1202157
The only things 5e did right until xanathar's at least was shitting on power multiclasses, concentration system and naked barbarians.
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>>1202155
Hey, how good is it to go 10 DD? I'd rather go full dragon, personally, but I don't know how viable it is.
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>>1202125
>>1202056
It's not a fetish, it's an accurate representation of what the romance will look like, anon. Dumb anon.
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>>1202167
Extremely good and dip friendly.
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>>1202167
Literally no point, no matter how much the anons here try to get you into it. Dip into scaled fist, then 2 levels of paladin, then 2 of draconic sorc, then 4 of dragon disciple, then 1 of sorc, then 10 of eldritch knight. That's the best dragon build.
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>>1202177
>5 classes
based
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>>1202177
You do not get dragonkind 3 from neither the sorcerer spell list nor the DD progression with this.
Meh.

If you wanted to do mutliclass monstrosity, add thug and archaeologist too
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>>1202167
tearing shit up as a dragon is fun no matter what
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>>1202167
DD is worth it if you want to be a dragon as a almost full martial character, without dealing with casting bullshit aside from very basic shield/mirror image/displacement.
it is still very good as a frontliner.
>>1202177
Pala2 is overrated as fuck and you get to be a decent dragon very, very late with such build.
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>>1202188
>You do not get dragonkind 3 from neither the sorcerer spell list nor the DD progression with this.
>Meh.
Prestigious spellcaster
>If you wanted to do mutliclass monstrosity, add thug and archaeologist too
I can't get dragonkind 3 if I do that.
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>>1202191
Do mention when you rely on mods to get builds together, anon. Unless Kingmaker or Wrath has it by default now and I missed.
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>>1202194
>Do mention when you rely on mods to get builds together, anon
Nah, cotw is core pnp aside from some optional tweaks

Besides, prestigious spellcaster isn't even required, really. Dragonkind 2 is already big enoguh and people wouldn't praise dd 10, who only gets to dragonkind 2, if it was shit.
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Man, I can't wait for the new animal companions to be put in and for mounted combat to be made to work properly. I want to ride a massive dinosaur into battle.
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>>1202204
>I want to ride a massive dinosaur
same
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>>1202201
Except we are not talking about the PnP here, we are talking about the game.
Otherwise, might as well say 'you can craft good Estocs, who cares'.
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>>1202201
> cotw is core pnp
Oh, you're one of those. In terms of the videogame cotw is a cheat mod that adds even more powercreep and broken shit to be abused. Not stopping you from using it, but indeed, tell people that you are doing it before engaging in conversation.
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>>1202204
>>1202207
dinofags out
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>>1202208
>we are talking about the game.
Which is based on the pnp.
>>1202209
>Oh, you're one of those. In terms of the videogame cotw is a cheat mod that adds even more powercreep and broken shit to be abused. Not stopping you from using it, but indeed, tell people that you are doing it before engaging in conversation.
*unplugs your hearing aids*
*escapes*
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>>1202211
Sounds like you're one of those folks who wet the bed after watching Jurassic Park
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>>1202215
It's not about cheating, it's about what's available on the base game or not. You do not have to make up silly strawmen.
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>>1202190
>Pala2 is overrated as fuck and you get to be a decent dragon very, very late with such build.
Honestly kinda agree. Saving throws just don't come up so often and I noticed some dialogue options ask you for con checks instead of fortitude saves.
>>1202222
Base game is fucking shit magus has no intensify spell. They didn't add it because otherwise player made base maguses would eclipse regongar.

(But if you ask nicely, I'll stop with the strawmen.)
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What are the best bloodrager bloodlines?
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>>1202238
abyssal or draconic
you can have both desu
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>>1202238
fey for kingmaker
celestial/abyssal for wotr
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>>1202228
>Honestly kinda agree. Saving throws just don't come up so often and I noticed some dialogue options ask you for con checks instead of fortitude saves.
It isn't even that, but pala saving throws being excessive as fuck for the tankish dragon build. I vividly remember Lantern King trying to use dominate monster with DC 33 against my will save of +50. We both felt pretty stupid at that moment.
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>>1202129
Is this real?
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>>1201569
No... It's not true... THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!
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>>1201520
I reseirve zero rubles at night year. So, doesn't count.
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>>1202264
new year*
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>>1202070
Uncanny dodge doesn't matter if you aren't a dodge tank.
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>>1202242
>>1202249
Is Aberrant not in the game? I can't be an angry noodly slenderman?
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>>1202270
It matters for any tank. And may make the difference for a stray arrow hit (though that's not a big reason in this case)
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>>1202280
Barbarian isn't a tank, not matter how much poizo intented it to be
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>>1202252
But if pala saves come before DD levels, you get a very useful early edge.
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>>1202282
Sure, but if you say non dodge tanks do not want uncanny dodge, you are retarded.
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i'm going to be honest here, i don't know what uncanny dodge actually does
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>>1202286
No, I am Brian
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>>1202289
Hi Brian, nice to meet you.
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Who the fuck plays a bard.

Seriously.

If your group is 4 + GM, you're now basically 3 people fighting and one Julliard performer singing and dancing at the sidelines. While your party might not hate you, they don't feel any less functional or competent when you're away or dead.

You and your lute are dead weight and the first to be thrown in the metaphorical fire for warmth when shit hits the fan. You'd do everyone a favor in combat by closing your mouth shut and drawing a fucking sword instead of being an attention-whoring cheerleader.
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>>1202288
can't get flanked or some shit, seems useless for bloodragers compared to fast healing
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>>1201974
unfair is able to be played, people play on it, you just get fair warning that unfair is in fact unfair and also unfun for most players who don't want to minmax every trash fight
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>>1202288
Think of it:
>uncanny dodge
>canny defence
>canny observer
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>>1202294
bards have decent combat and spellcasting ability in addition to their songs

and their songs are really strong
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>>1202298
>unfair isn't able to be played
>unfair is able to be played
Make up (your) mind. Anon.
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>>1202249
>>1202242
What do those get that makes them a cut above the rest?
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>>1202308
literally my first post in this thread faggot, lmao
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>>1202309
fit thematically to the campaign
kingmaker is about fey, wotr is about angels and demons
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>>1202312
You already posted before, otherwise my system would have detected you as a new IP.
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>>1202309
abyssal gets +6 to strength and enlarge person when bloodraging.
dragon bloodline gets dragonkind and dragon aesthetic
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>>1202294
>Who the fuck plays a bard.
Depends on the system, I guess.
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>>1202294
Pasta aside, I do have some beef with the modern idea of bards. Battle drummers or war-singers are cool, and they have a place in an advancing army; so does the man whose job is to beef up the troops' morale and help them de-stress. (Although you could argue that in a smaller group of adventurers, the man who holds the banner, blows in a war horn or sings in praise of his friend's well-aimed arrow shot is slightly less useful, his presence can be criticized, wouldn't it be better if he took up the sword?)
Even then, the archetype remains fun. So does the idea of the pied piper, strange and slightly terrifying as all magic users should be, or someone who has mastered songs of power in the vein of the Silmarillion's. Skalds and those who compose songs and poems about the great deeds of heroes also have a fairly nice flavor, even if they run into the "dear god, just grab something sharp and kill the orcs, the slightly magical song and prose you just wrote about us is NOT HELPING" issue.
But the kind of bard that's always designed at the game, the bard the rules support, is none of these things. He's a wizard with a harp who can dance and perform like some kind of medieval-fantasy rockstar and insult his enemies to death. That just sucks.
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>>1202320
nwn2 was abysmal trash
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>>1202316
hmm, you're right, i made a dumb joke here >>1201711
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>>1202325
not that anon but I found your joke pretty funny
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>>1202322
bruh

bards DO use the sword
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>>1202325
That anon and I found you joke slightly funny
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>>1202294
STR bard is a good reach frontliner, and the song covers your medium BAB.
DEX bard might be a very decent tank
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>>1202294
Skill Monkey and their Buffs>having another meat sack
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>>1202335
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>>1202294
Bards are a necessary evil. They attract only the most useless players so it’s easy to see who to kick or gank.
Whatever you attempt to achieve through a bard another class can do it just as well but still be an important asset to the party.
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>>1202349
>>1202338
>>1202322
>>1202294
Show us on the doll where the bard touched you and your mother and your sister and your cousin
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I played a dwarven bard in LotRO solely to play music in the town. Shit was so cash.
rip The Fat Lute
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>>1202360
didn't that game have based custom music system?
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>>1202111
>or it is weaker than some more intricate builds and that is a good thing, because it means that systed is deep enough and player's effort put into building his characters gets rewarded.
Fuck off monte, go back to shilling numernera or whatever your shit casterwank setting's name was
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>>1202369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC87J3-T1m8
Yes, you could even play as a band with different instruments.
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>>1202129
>Using my newfound perspective, I then went on to never make anything of value ever again.
If he made a system that doesn't suck by following new principles, people bringing up this article would have a point. But he didn't, he decided he didn't like the thing he made before, and that killed his career.
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>>1202395
The divide in outcome between players who have poor meta knowledge and amazing meta knowledge isn't a bug; it's a feature. They *want* there to be a divide, Why?
Because a tangible difference in the outcomes of players who invest minimal time in something vs. who invest a large amount of time in the same thing is a form of enjoyment, or validation for a certain type of gamer.
I used to wonder why people who hardcore power-gamed played DnD/PF over more competitive games. If you want a level of system mastery, why not play a game that's designed to be competitive and show your superiority? Why play a game that's primarily designed around a narrative and social experience?
I used to think that...until I flipped it on its head and began to think well, what if it still is about the narrative? What if it is about indulging in a power fantasy where you're incredibly strong and hold great influence in the fantasy world that's being built around you? What if it is about the social dynamics of the players you're playing with, only instead of finding mutual success it's a power play to flaunt your worth over them?
Obviously not everyone that enjoys Ivory Tower design is like that, but Ivory Tower design innately attracts that kind of person more than a balanced, egalitarian system that supports less experienced players. Part of the reason older editions weren't as popular was that mechanical lockout from being too dense, and fewer still who broke into it ever mastered it to a point where they made optimised characters. It innately attracts people who are driven by mastery, and sadly a lot of people like that are often egotists and narcissists who lack the social tact to get along with others in a game which is - at it's core - a very social and cooperative experience.
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>xanthir vang
is this the sequel version of hargulka? he definitely seems harder, the motherfucker is teleporting everywhere
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>>1202413
It's not a fucking performance art piece, it's an RPG, Roleplaying GAME. You don't need to be a narcissist to want game elements in your game, it's a fucking game.

Christ but this retarded "D&D is all about telling a story, and the rules are only guidelines to help tell those stories :)" nonsense kneecaps the shit out of most groups that take it to heart. They think that taking a shitty feat is somehow a replacement for creating an interesting character, then they feel useless in combat, then proceed to overcompensate and waste everyone's time with hours of awful RP.

Let me turn a question back on you, if you didn't want a system that rewards understanding and mastery of combat, why are you playing one of the most combat heavy RPGs on the market, them complaining about the focus on combat?
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>>1202544
On one hand, I get the idea that there should be some element of reward for time investment and system mastery; obviously there'll be a level of growth involved in any investment of a game, and that should be tangible to how much you invest in it time-wise and in terms of analysing the game from a mechanical standpoint, right?

The question is, is there virtue of indulging in such superiority? Especially if it's at the cost of other people's enjoyment?
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>>1202544
The mentality behind Ivory Tower design feels like something exclusively designed to cater towards wannabe ubermensch-gamers who like to feel smarter than others. It's the rules lawyer equivalent of the geek that calls you a fake geek for not knowing every single X-men mutant and what their powers are.
It's basically just mechanical gatekeeping.
I know it's not related to any mechanical virtues or flaws in the system, but remember ultimately that DnD is a social experience, and I cannot, cannot overstate the kinds of people who are innately attracted to Ivory Tower design.
Think of it this way: I've been shilling Pathfinder 2nd Edition for a while now. It's a very well designed system with heaps of customisation, depth, and mechanical nuance, yet a lot of people who played Pathfinder 1e (which was based of DND 3.5, the edition Monty is talking about in that post) are refusing to move over. Why? Is the game system worse? No, it's just very different, but the key difference lies in the game design philosophy. 2e was designed as an egalitarian system where classes are both tightly balanced and very hard to screw up builds for. There are still decisions that are more situationally optimal than generally optimal, but all in all you're not going to have entire characters overshadowing the rest of the party by virtue of their class and builds, and rarely will you find a character that's so poorly built that the disparity will be obvious (which is something it has in common with 5e).
And this is something I've been telling a lot of people in PF2e chats who say they don't get why people don't move over from 1st Edition. 1e, being based on the 3.5, is grounded in that Ivory Tower design. Paizo tried to move away from it, but the chassis of 3.5 integrally influenced the design of that edition.
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>>1202549
That's a pretty groundless assumption that pushing players to understand the system will somehow happier their enjoyment. The process of learning and mastering is the fun. These are adults and teens, not toddlers and invalids, challenging them (in an environment where everyone else can pick up the slack and help teach them along the way, no less) and then rewarding them for overcoming they challenge is absolutely a source of enjoyment.

Why do think veteran players so often try to play new classes? Because they want to go back to not knowing what they're doing, to having to learn new lessons to succeed.
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>>1202549
Having to play with people too lazy or stupid to learn a relatively simple rule system would cost me MY enjoyment, so that filtering is only to my advantage.
Also if you think D&D/pf are any sort of hassle to learn, you should try and ask tg for some of the exotic systems.
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>>1202557
Sure are a lot of statements and assumptions without any supporting arguments going on here.
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>>1202557
>And this is something I've been telling a lot of people in PF2e chats who say they don't get why people don't move over from 1st Edition. 1e, being based on the 3.5, is grounded in that Ivory Tower design. Paizo tried to move away from it, but the chassis of 3.5 integrally influenced the design of that edition.
To be honest, many in the PF fanbase are there out of desire to not abandon their cherished 3.5 to move over to 4E. It's only logical that they would refuse to move over to a new system that (according to what I've been told in several places, don't quote me on that) took a lot of inspiration in game design from that same 4E they fled from.

>No, it's just very different, but the key difference lies in the game design philosophy. 2e was designed as an egalitarian system where classes are both tightly balanced and very hard to screw up builds for.
Yeah, reminds me a lot of 4E
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>>1202568
>>1202569
>>1202578
desu i was just copypasting a response from this post https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/fx0ms0/ivorytower_game_design_read_this_quote_from_monte/

pranked lol

>>1202569
>Having to play with people too lazy or stupid to learn a relatively simple rule system would cost me MY enjoyment, so that filtering is only to my advantage.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OriginalPositionFallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_position

veil of ignorance
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A daily reminder that this is a thread about single player video game and all those who care about it's "inclusivity" or how it is somehow a "social experience" can get the fuck out. Pf1 might not be the best system for actual tabletop play, especially for casual audiences, but it fits well within this medium, giving willing players enough mechanical meat to be engaged (unlike, you know, that other early access rpg). And casual players who go in just for the story and roleplay get their easy difficulties to play on.
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>>1202611
>And casual players who go in just for the story and roleplay get their easy difficulties to play on.
Stormwind fallacy
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>>1202615
what the fuck is a stormwind fallacy, casul
you are just making up terms because you got filtered lol
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>>1202624
>a blooo bloo me want spoonfeed me
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Stormwind_fallacy
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>>1202615
Where did I say something about rp and optimization being mutually exclusive? You just had this term in your clipboard, ready to fire it up and appear to be smart, did you?
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>>1202633
>>And casual players who go in just for the story and roleplay get their easy difficulties to play on.
>Where did I say something about rp and optimization being mutually exclusive?
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Bitch we do not care to have our gamesystem inclusive, egalitarian or accessible without effort.
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>>1202640
Yes, motherfucker, so what? Just because one category of players is interested only in one side of the game, it doesn't mean that another category must completely ignore it. In fact most players will enjoy both.
You just assumed it. Speaking about fallacy.
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>>1202651
>You just assumed it. Speaking about fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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>>1202631
>not wanting to be spoonfeeded
Serf mentallity is undying it seems.
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>>1202663
desu i would love to be a baby again and have my mom give me milkies and spoonfeed me applesauce again
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>tranner getting triggered over building shit-tier furfag chars
kek, bring -4 STR back
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If there's a lich path, that means there will surely be a mummy lord path too for those looking to get divine spellcasting and to keep their body preserved in wraps, no?
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>>1202690
you will never be a real mummy
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>>1202696
Trans mummies are real mummies.
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>>1202690
You will be a skeleton and you will LIKE IT.
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>>1202690
just combine your lich spellbook with the divine spellbook from your class
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leak the beta already
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>>1202703
Liches are arcane casters only.
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>>1202712
Buy the beta already.
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>>1202715
no they're not.
you can combine your mythic spellbook with the spellbook of any class
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>>1202703
But I'll still be a lich and not a cool mummy with a preserved dick. Also divine spells from mythic spellbook and curses like mummy rot.
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>>1202730
lich spellbook comes with bestow curse at the least.
>preserved dick
it's dried up nigga, you aint using that shit
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>>1202730
>not going the Osiris way and feeding your dick to the fishes
ngmi
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>>1202730
Asspull Anon here. Lich will get opportunity to repurpose his femur into a dick.
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>>1202732
>it's dried up nigga, you aint using that shit
>what are dildos
>what is hand lotion
>>1202735
Os*ris and his offspring are homos. Can't believe THOTh came insidemy boy Set
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>>1202742
the ladies in wrath want blood, hearts, and passion. as a lich you have none of these, as a lich you have NOTHING
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>>1202750
Lichs, or as i like to call them LIGGERS should take the mummy pill
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>>1202742
>Can't believe THOTh came insidemy boy Set
nigga you can't even remember the right gods the fuck are you doing
your heart is heavier than a feather, you're gonna get gobbled by Amenti nigga
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>>1202742
>thoth
it was horus, sorry
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>>1202726
No, they've been considering doing that, but as it stands only a Lich and Angel can combine spellbooks, and only with full Arcane/Divine casting classes respectively.
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>caring about thots as a based knowledge and power seeking Lich
only good ladies are undead ladies that you control
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>>1202754
I posted my correction before your post appeared, so I'm good
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>>1202753
mummies are just egyptian liches. and ziggurats are close enough to pyramids anyway
>>1202756
i swear to god i'll start another alpha run and combine a warpriest spellbook with a lich spellbook. i know i am right. never correct me again you feeble faggot
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>>1202763
But mummies keep their dick and muscles tho
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>>1202757
The seems like she might be down to jump your bone after being raised, she fucking loves being undead, so long as you let her keep fighting demons.
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>>1202763
Try it, bitch.
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>>1202765
*The Queen seems like*

Fuck
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>>1202759
Right, at least you won't get eaten for that sin.
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>>1202776
Behold.
The warrior frowns. "I... have changed. It's like I had burning hearth in my chest, but now it's gone and the only thing that's left is cold coals. I feel free from everything - from the duty that was laid on me with the crown, from the oath of loyalty to my goddess, from the vows of a knight and a paladin. Now I only have two things left - the desire to serve you... and to kill the demons."

The queen's lips are pursed and her voice is like steel. "Yes this passion is still there and it only got stronger. I want to see all of them dying a horrible death. Their invasion drowned in their own blood, their skulls crushed with rocks... This is strange. In the past I never had allowed myself to hate something so much, so wholeheartedly. Did the death set me free? Or maybe it corrupted me, turned into something dark and full of malice. I don't care. From now on, I'm your vengeance and your sword.

Against all your expectation, the queen is not angry - she replies you with a sneering smile. "If The Inheritor saw a loyal servant in me, she could intervent and save me from this fate. But it seems, all crusaders are but a toy soldiers for Iomedae.

We keep fighting this holy war in her name, we die with her name on our lips - but she doesn't seem to care about our sacrifices, not at the slightest. Well then, there is no greater shame for a knight to serve an unworthy lord. So I denounce Iomedae, I denounce all my vows, she is no longer the one I follow."

Galfrey kneels before you without even a hint of doubt. "So be it. I was always afraid to die before I'm able to see our triumph. You made me free from this fear, so lead me to victory.
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>>1202783
Swanky
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>>1202783
The poor guys in charge of polishing up the vodka-english translation have quite a lot of work ahead of them.
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>>1202783
Iomedae's gonna freak.
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>>1202829
too busy choking on dragon dick to act
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>>1202826
that's literally avellone's job.
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>>1202848
no wonder they are selling beta for 100 bucks, someone gonna pay the man
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Being able to take extra feat and get your path powers at level 2 mythic and get it on your companions too is absolutely not intended right?
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>>1202870
Yeah, that definitely sounds like a bug.
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Will Swarms be able to continue the romance? It seems that any path can become one so you could redeem the succ on a good path while still on the path to Swarm
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>>1202946
Can't romance people in your stomach. Unless they're vorefags but I doubt anyone is. Maybe aru is a vorefag, succubusses must have large list of degenerate fetishes.
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>>1202946
Maybe you can add them to your swarm. Truly romantic.
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>>1202958
This would be kino, it could also be the method of bringing back your companions.
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>>1202946
People keep posting some dev interview where they hint there might be something for swarm, but it certainly won't be conventional.
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>>1202946
Swarms have no companions so no romance, unless you count one of Lamashtu's daughter's weird cannibalistic ritual that sets her free from Deskari and transforms you into a true swarm, or Deskari's obsession with you
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I will name the locust that will hang around where my heart used to be Camellia.
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>>1202946
>>1202976
the actual writer for the swarm-that-walks path said it would get "uncomfortably horny" in this stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbf4HouEAvg
make of that what you will
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>>1202971
>but it certainly won't be conventional.
I keep hearing about this. How can a romance not be conventional? It's a binary thing, you either have baggage or not.

>but you turn your so into a swarm so it subverts your expectations
Still in love with someone, still conventional
>but you eat them in body and soul and pretty much talk with them in your head so it's unique
Again, still in love with someone, even if s/he's inside you and is you in a sense
>but you drug/charm/force yourself on them so it's nonconsensual and nonconventional
Still in love with someone, conventional.
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>>1202996
>How can a romance not be conventional?
Human attraction and love is an immensely complex topic. Way more complex than a simple binary gives credit to it.
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Any new infos about romances?
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That reminds me, there used to be some lore page about swarm mating rituals posted around here.
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>>1202996
gee anon i would guess it stops being conventional when you're a mass of millions upon millions of demon grasshoppers
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>>1203004
>lore page about swarm mating rituals
I would like to see this page.
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>>1203005
I fap to monsters daily. Today, I've masturbated to the squamous demodand twice.
Shape of water exists. Beauty and the beast exists (even if the ending is so so and the beast shouldn't have turned into a human). Gargoyles, the series, exists.
There are no limits to love, attraction or degeneracy. Besides chemical imbalances I guess.
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>>1203016
>There are no limits to love
No, you just degenerate shizo.
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>>1203016
Sane human mind doesnt perceive squamous demodands or vescavors as objects of desire. Stop it anon, there is still hope for you.
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>>1203034
>Stop it anon, there is still hope for you.
You can't stop me
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>>1203051
So you leave me no choice...
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>>1203054
>40k has worms-that-walk
based
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>>1203051
You must stop yourself. Have you forgotten the face of your father, Anon?
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what was the point of evading ratfags when we have gd
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>>1203003
Not until beta release and datamining new stuff
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>>1203120
The Ride Never Ends
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>>1203013
>Although some worms that walk cling to their magic-using abilities and refuse to view themselves as abominations, living as a worm that walks requires certain sacrifices. For instance, their natural tendency is to become nocturnal. Worms that walk also, despite their more refined leanings, find ecstasy in nighttime rainfalls, especially those warm showers in spring and summer months. In these instances, it's most common to find a worm that walks outside a cemetery as an evening rain falls. On rare occasions during these events, worms that walk join together to feed and commune with each other, collapsing and merging their wriggling forms together in an undulating ritual where they share memories and thoughts. These disturbing gatherings are few and far between, however, as worms that walk don't commonly form near one another and typically keep their distance from others of their kind.
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>>1203137
Poor gravekeeper having to witness that.
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>>1203137
>worms that walk join together to feed and commune with each other, collapsing and merging their wriggling forms together in an undulating ritual where they share memories and thoughts
wtf that sounds kinda sweet
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>>1203145
>>1203137
>hugging your swarmbros
>you literally become one for a second and share your very spirit with them
>no homo tho
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>>1203150
>immediately thinking that the swarm you are merging with used to be male
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>>1203160
most of them are dudes iirc.
there are a few sexy lady locust swarms in the desert countries though
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Reminder that ratfags got btfo by furrychads
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>>1203194
what kind of fox is that
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>>1203121
I'm curious when Owlcats gave us beta
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>>1203199
A cat
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>>1203194
Laugh while you can. Our time will come.
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>>1203170
This one looks like lady too. Delicious worm tiddies.
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>>1203194
People probably just going to pretend they're anime kitsunes and not how it is in Pathfinder.
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>>1203211
Aren't PF's kitsunes exactly that tho?
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>>1203232
anon...
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>>1203199
Mammalians all look the same
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>>1203235
Oh, you meant as human-faced ones? Fine then
But lore and personality-wise, it this literally the typical weaboo shit?
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>>1203235
Dangerously cheesy.
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>>1203205
Why does swarm even take the human form after becoming this abomination?
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>>1203254
Why would it take any form? At that point it's could be because the dude wants to or because he never thought about it and just defaulted to a form he's accustomed to or a myriad other reasons. It's not rocket science, it's aesthetics and pure fluff.
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>>1203170
I think this one is just an insect druid but it could be a potential pre-swarm portrait
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>>1203269
And the swarm-in-a-cloak portrait
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>>1203268
Wouldn't it take the most optimal form for a swarm? I'm not being too serious here just wondering about the lore.
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>>1203254
I'd assume it's just easy to move around that way due your memories and whatnot. Also items.
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>>1203211
isn't nenio kitsune or was i rused?
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>>1203279
nenio is a kitsune, if rats had won she would be a rat
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>>1203279
She is she's just in her human form because she doesn't realize she has another one, thanks to the memory-wipe pact she made with Areshkagal
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>>1203277
If the swarm for some reason needs to use his body in a specific way for a specific period of time, I guess so. Swarms typically have magic to do stuff though.
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>>1203279
She's human in the alpha, despite Kitsune being a player option. She's also incomplete though, so while there's evidence she's human, there likely won't be confirmation until the Beta launches.
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>>1203280
Luckily she wasn't tainted by ratfagottry
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>>1203288
Because the kitsune thing isn't discovered until the end of her personal quest when you actually go into Areshkagal's domain. They have two forms, human and furry, she forgot she had another form.

Also her real name is Oinen kek
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Why do kitsunes have a str minus.
i wanted to make a muscular fox barbarian.
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>>1203307
because they're weak and sinewy.
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>>1203309
>weak and sinewy
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>>1203307
>>1203313
Foxes are cowardly, weak, and deceitful. Go be a rogue, faggot.
FUCK FOXES AND FUCK FURRIES
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>check out Areshkagal's daily obedience
>Inscribe several of the 23 Riddles of the Flesh (an interlocked series of conundrums, the answers to which no mortal has yet found) on your own flesh with a tiny knife carved from a child’s rib.
What happens when you run out of space?
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>>1203326
Sounds like a riddle you need to solve.
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>>1203323
This is why I hate fixed racial modifiers. I guess human it is though. Glad I'm not a mysanthrope, just a furry.
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>>1203329
There is a mythic feat to remove negative racial if you REALLY want to.
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>>1203357
How many mythic feats do you get? Do you have to give up mythic specific stuff like marvelous endurance or incredible might to get one?
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>>1203362
I believe you get 5 feats and 5 mythic abilities on alternate level ups.
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>>1203357
Also is this in? I do not want kitsune magic extra DC.
>Skilled Some kitsune focus on diversifying their skill set in order to better blend in with their human peers. They gain an additional skill rank at 1st level and one additional skill rank whenever they gain a level. This racial trait replaces agile and kitsune magic.
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>>1203376
It might be worth it then. It's still kinda stingy to only get a +2 on your primary ability score and be left at a comparative -2 to a race with a bonus when uber strong mythic feats like mythic finesse exist, but at least it's an option.
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>>1203386
what makes mythic finesse mythic?
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>>1203390
Dex to damage with any weapon afaik
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>>1203391
With any weapon that Weapon Finesse applies to, but yes. It's incredibly good for dex builds, since it means they don't have to dip for it.
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>>1203391
>any weapon
im going to finesse a greataxe
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>>1203391
Only to finesse weapons, was bummed out when I saw it didn't apply to the longsword I had on
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Some Nenio

>"What's this question for? You thought that once Nenio was depressed, absorbed in a momentary weakness, you will suddenly have an extraordinary amount free time? No, my faithful follower! No one is going to free you from new experiments!"

>Nenio nods and is silent for a long time. "You know, I can't say that I share Arishkagal's demagoguery, but in this one particular place it's right. A name is a set of sounds. It doesn't matter if I'm Nenio or Oinen, or respond to a different set of vibrations created by the vocal cords."

>"My real name is ... normal. There is nothing special about it. I will hardly ever associate it with myself. I should probably forget it, but for some reason I still keep it in my memory. Maybe I'm getting older and showing spontaneous impulses of sentimentality?"

>"More than I ever wanted. And probably less than you'd like, since you asked about it." Nenio sighs. "I remembered a woman from Tian Xia, a kitsune, a cultist of Arishkagal, who managed to find a way to get to Enigma, appear before the Faceless Sphinx, recite an oath and dissolve into nothingness. An unpretentious biography."

>"Her consciousness and mine have nothing in common. I just use her body and have part of her memory. Perhaps something like this is what some spiritually inclined citizens mean by "remembering your past life"."

>"An interesting fact: physically I am about four thousand years old. Plus or minus a couple of hundred."

>"By the way, did you know that in many developed cultures old age is a sign of wisdom, and a reason to respect and fulfill all desires of the old woman, even if the above-mentioned old woman suffers from insanity? Hmmm."
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>>1198460
It's a beautiful thought, the game needs more hard af battles. I like Kingmaker but it doesn't have any single battle along the lines of something like the Twisted Rune or final seal guardians in BG2, the super hard kind where you have to try over and over using different tactics to figure out how to win. Those are the most fun.
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>>1203422
Huuuuh. Neat.
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>>1203422
>1k years old kitsune
It really is just like my chinese cartoons.
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>>1203422
>No, my faithful follower! No one is going to free you from new experiments!"
NO, MOM, NO
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>>1203422
The "reveal"

>In Nenio's place you see an unknown kitsune hunched in an awkward position.

>"You're a kitsune."

>The kitsune looks down at her hands, then feels her pointed snout, lingering on the grinning snout and ears. "Your observation seems to be correct. I'm a kitsune."

>Nenio is scratching her ear. "If my hypothesis is correct - and the probability is almost one hundred percent - then I've always been a kitsune, but at some point I decided to forget about it. Continuing the logical chain, I will assume that the fact I'm a kitsune was not of interest to me."

>"How can you forget that you're a kitsune?!"

>"This question is irrelevant in the current situation. If you want, ask me about it later. If you think that I deliberately hid my appearance, you are wrong. I'm not interested in your deeds, your battles and your secrets, if you have them. All I need from you is help with experiments. And this." Nenio waves her hand widely, motioning to the statues around you.

>"I have the answer, but what is the question?" An elven woman in a worn robe turns her head towards you and looks at you through slits in a simple white mask. Then she reaches out and touches the ancient statue.

>"Hey! Hey, wait, where are you going? Disappearing is unscientific!" Nenio touches the statue and suddenly freezes as if dug in.
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>>1203430
>tactics
this is what's missing from kingmaker. it's too much of a numbers game. that or cloudkill kek
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>>1200872
2 feats is a steep cost. You're essentially trading feats for money. Might work out in some cases, but feats are so goddamn good that I imagine a lot of the time you're better off not bothering with crafting.
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>>1203391
>>1203396
>>1203416
>dex to damage with any finesse weapon
So what makes it mythic if it's the same as the Weapon Finesse feat?
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>>1203474
Weapon finesse only changes your attack roll, not your damage modifier.
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>>1203467
The trick with the comparison you're making is that it leaves open two questions. One, how many free feats does your build have? And two, How MUCH money?

For a wizard character, who in my experience are the most likely folks aside from alchemists to be crafters, they generally have several feats free, particularly if they're human (which is likely, since decent races for wizardry with an intelligence bonus are unusual). And for the question of money, you're talking about potentially getting upwards of 130% more value out of your gold than if you'd just depended on drops, and you can in fact reliably craft the things your party wants rather than what the GM deigns to give you. It's at once more powerful and more customizable than just depending on what you find.

>>1203474
Weapon Finesse gives you dex to Attack. Mythic Weapon Finesse gives you dex to damage, which would normally require a three level dip into rogue to get, which very few builds are willing to burn.
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>>1203474
You don't have to spend another feat to convert Dex to damage with Slashing Grace/Fencing Grace
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>>1203422
Nenio romance when
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>>1203422
Only a couple of companion reactions


>"Who are you? Who are you?! Speak, or cut on the spot! .

>Seelah involuntarily drops her hand on her weapon. "What's going on here? Nenio, is that you?"

>"I have no words. Can I just stand here silently and try to look smart?"

>Nenio frowns. "A voice in the void asked me — and, judging by the reaction, you too — who I was. And the answer in the form of a name did not satisfy her. At the same time, the trap forced me to take on my true form, of which I had forgotten about. Hmmm."

>"By the way, did you know that the best way to neutralize magic traps is with the help of a scientist, if you tell her that there is a formula of elixirs made by ancient races at the end of the corridor?" The kitsune sighs heavily.

>"My doubts are dispelled. It's really her."
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>>1203500
>How to be friends. Memo.

>Friends: Smile at each other. Gossip about other friends. Drink alcohol together. (no longer required!) Sometimes they quarrel. Sometimes copulate.


She has a friendship quest to check all the tickboxes off even if you're down to sleep with her "because that's what friends do" she gets distracted drawing you naked for science and nothing ever comes of it.
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>>1203509
I always love lines like that last one
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I can post the friendship quest if people want and then stop turning the thread into a sea of black bars
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areelu is your mom
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>>1203534
i would appreciate it
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>>1203523
So she's just too autistic for romance. Makes sense. Asspullfag once again BTFO.
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>>1203523
best girls are never romancable in crpgs
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what do galfrey feet smell like, after a full day in plate armor?
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>>1203539
>tfw redeemed succubus mommy jokes end up applying to Areelu instead
What a TWEEEEEEEST
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>>1203577
ash and lavender
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>>1203597
yesss anonnn
describe it
deeperrr
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Which of the girls is the best brapper? My vote is on cam, all those rituals must put a... toll... in her digestive systems.
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Nenio friendship quest pt. 1

>"Now or never! That's my motto! Nenio frowns. "No, it's true. Come on now? Just ... I prepared it all... the best time for this experiment is right now."

>"Well... okay. No catastrophe, of course, happened, but know - I'm a little disappointed." She sighs sadly.

>"You see, I've decided to raise one topic that I used to prefer to avoid due to my complete ignorance in this area." Nenio lowers her head in embarrassment. "I understand, it's hard to believe - that I, the owner, without false modesty, of such higher intelligence may not know something so basic. But it's never too late to fill in the gaps of knowledge, isn't it?"

>"It's about friendship. Honestly, I originally planned to pass this section of the Encyclopedia to some co-author, but then you, my faithful follower, appeared, and it suddenly seemed to me that I could write everything myself..." Her sentence drifts off and she looks away.

>"You misunderstood me. I don't need friends. I have no desire to spend my time on them, which I could spend on new experiments and discoveries." Nenio explains to you as if you were five a child. "I just want to know that it's like having friends. For the Encyclopedia."

>"I understand that you would like to consider me your friend. And who would not want to, because I am the leading light of science! But I'm sorry to say that I have to disappoint you ."

>"Glad you agreed! Many might find my request too personal and refuse. It's good that you're above unreasonable sentiments."

>"I've made a list here. I wrote it based on observations of individuals and my own knowledge of the subject, which, admittedly, were very fragmented." She hands you a crumpled piece of paper. "Study it carefully. We'll start when you're ready."
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which mythic paths let me behead every demon and demon sympathizer?
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Is grease as busted in paper as it is in the video game
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>>1203637
extremely
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>>1203635
devil
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>>1203637
In cotw, it was different in that you didn't need to keep saving once you fail when it is cast, only when you move afterwards so you could just dump grease on your tank and all the mobs around it for added stickiness. So yeah it's pretty good too.

It also has more creative applications obviously, like greasing items you don't want your enemies to hold (for example if a spellcaster is disarmed of his focus, you can grease it so he can't even cast spells if he grabs a hold of it on his turn)
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>>1203635
angel
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>>1203621
pt. 2

>[Read the list] Item number one: Friends smile at each other.

>[Smile briefly]

>You look up and see Nenio, who has already put on a threatening grin.

>Without removing the grin, Nenio wheezes. "What... it's... a smile... come on... another ... better..."

>"Don't... be afraid... come on... for... science... it is necessary!"

>[Silence]
>You and Nenio stare at each other. A minute passes in tense silence

>[Smile Broadly]
>She rubs her cheeks with her hands. "I never thought that being friends is so tiring. What's next on the list?"

>[Read the list] Item number two: Friends gossip about other friends

>She takes a piece of paper out of her sleeve. "Come on! Get started! Who are we going to gossip about?"

>This is just a list of all the companions and can pick if you like, hate or are indifferent to them, then she wants you to make up false rumors like you saw them walking around naked, drinking out of a puddle, eating bugs etc.

>[Read list] Item number three: friends drink alcohol together.

>Nenio snatches the bottle out of your hands and looks at it with the lust of a real alcoholic. "This is my path to understanding the true values of humanity from the point of view of the lowest of the common man!" She takes a corkscrew from her sleeve and looks at it, then at the bottle in bewilderment. Then she gives the bottle back to you. "Open it!"

>"I'll take a chance! I will put my reputation, my good name, and even my future on the line! With the help of this bottle, I will descend to the level of a typical layman and try to learn the principle of thinking like an individual not burdened by reason!"
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BETA
IN
>THE TRUTH MUST BE SEEN, AS THE DAY OF PROMISE APPROACHED FOR ALL THAT HOLD US IS AN OATH
DAYS?
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if aeon can fuck with time why don't they just erase areelu
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>>1203205
>using sword instead of bugspray
Why?
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>>1203701
They brainlets-autists.
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>>1203679
pt. 3

>"Not at all! I'm the only one to drink. Your role in this experience is to stand here and provide me with a visual response to my imminent temporary degradation!"

>"You probably, perhaps even from personal experience, know that alcohol reduces mental activity, being a catalyst for stupidity. With my intellect, it is the only way to understand what it means to be dumber than I am."

>"Well ... let's start." With a determination worthy of a warrior going to their last battle, Nenio takes a long gulp straight from the bottle. "Wha... What a disgusting thing!" Overcome by gagging, she looks at you with teary eyes. "How do you drink this?"

>I'm... doing this... for science!" Another sip.
"Oh. Wow. Should be enough. Huh-h-h... Okay. Am I stupid already? Quickly... ask me something smart!"

>"How many feats did Iomedai accomplish?"
>"Eleven, of course. What she did not do there - she made a bridge out of a cloak, and created an artifact out of the blue from a broken sword and prayer, and even persuaded the undead to commit suicide. Hmm. By the way, did you know that if you question the authenticity of these accomplishments in the center of the Iomedae Cathedral, you can get a bruise in the shape of a shoe exactly where your back ends? Hmm. I don't think I have drunk enough yet."
or
>"What difference does it make how many feats Iomedae performed - a million or not ? Iomedae is there \ ", {n} - Nenio waves her hand vaguely. "And the bottle is here, dear."
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>Wenduag is apparently cute now
Beta drop when?
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I'd assume a swarm can also eat nasty bugs like cockroaches, much like a human can eat monkeys apes and chimpanzees, no?
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>>1203744
if it lives we can eat it
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>>1203779
Good, I don't like when omnicidal villains aren't cruel to animals.
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>>1203783
Animals other than sapient ones*
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>>1203741

>"And now that's it! -The experiment was successful. Now, for a second, I... " Nenio looks at you with dully, runs her hand over her forehead, rubs her eyes, shakes her head and exhales noisily.

>When she looks up again, her eyes are clear. "That's it. I'm fine!"

>"Incredible! My intellect fell, slain in an unequal battle with alcohol. And, surprisingly, it doesn't bother me at all. As if all the thoughts from my head disappeared. I didn't want to strive anywhere, I didn't want to prove anything to anyone. I became so calm that it even scared me a little. I should definitely describe this state in detail for the Encyclopedia."

>"I just blocked the effect of alcohol from my mind. In simple words, I forgot about its presence. The mechanism is similar to the one I use to get rid of memories I don't need. Nothing complicated."

>[Read List] Item number four: Friends sometimes fight.
>A new pile of papers appears in Nenio's hands.
>Nenio (kek): "Your ass must get jealous of all the shit that comes out of your mouth."

>"Fuck you!"
>"Another word, and I'll rip your legs off, and kick you in the ass with them."
>[Remain skeptically silent]

>Nenio sighs. "Okay, that's enough. I think I've abused both of us enough to be considered friends."
>"At this point, the fourth part of the experiment can be considered complete. What's last on the list?"

>[Read List] Item number five: Friends sometimes copulate.

>"Ah, yes. It is." Nenio sighs. "Take off your pants."

>"Now we will perform the act of intercourse solely for the sake of carnal pleasures, bypassing the main purpose of intercourse as such - procreation . What is not clear?"

>"Before intercourse, I must draw your genitals for my note about intercourse in the Encyclopedia. The attached scheme will be of interest to many students of science, who know about about it only by hearsay!"
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>>1203805
fuck that's hot
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>>1203805
Final part

>"Really? Are you sure? What unexpected and interesting information! Admittedly, I myself didn't really want to perform intercourse. How good that science does not require such sacrifices from me today!"

>"Nenio is so engrossed in her work that the world around her and you seem to have ceased to exist for her.

>"This awkward experiment is complete. I found out what it means to be friends, and I can write a note about it in the Encyclopedia" Nenio scratches her nose with a pencil. "I'm glad it's over. I was convinced once again that friendship is the dumbest thing to do.."

>"Yeah. You are definitely not capable of friendship."

>"I'm capable of friendship, and I proved it to you during the experiment. What is this slander for?"

>"You did everything wrong. Friendship is more than smiles, gossip, quarrels and intercourse."

>"Is it? We performed all the prepared actions, which are typical of two friends. Of course, it would be possible to compile an extended list, which would include joint meals and unreasonable jokes about each other in order to expose each other in the least attractive light. But would that change the situation?"

>"But I'm definitely not interested in it. I see my loneliness as a sign of uniqueness. The one who goes ahead is always alone"

>"Do you know what I will write in the Encyclopedia? Friendship is a primitive set of rituals designed to help individuals forget about their own loneliness."
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>>1202549
yes

there's a million games out there for people who want to turn off their brain or not ever learn anything, there's room for a few games that require more investment
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>>1203817
Final part

>"Really? Are you sure? What unexpected and interesting information! Admittedly, I myself didn't really want to perform intercourse. How good that science does not require such sacrifices from me today!"

>"Nenio is so engrossed in her work that the world around her and you seem to have ceased to exist for her.

>"This awkward experiment is complete. I found out what it means to be friends, and I can write a note about it in the Encyclopedia" Nenio scratches her nose with a pencil. "I'm glad it's over. I was convinced once again that friendship is the dumbest thing to do.."

>"Yeah. You are definitely not capable of friendship."

>"I'm capable of friendship, and I proved it to you during the experiment. What is this slander for?"

>"You did everything wrong. Friendship is more than smiles, gossip, quarrels and intercourse."

>"Is it? We performed all the prepared actions, which are typical of two friends. Of course, it would be possible to compile an extended list, which would include joint meals and unreasonable jokes about each other in order to expose each other in the least attractive light. But would that change the situation?"

>"But I'm definitely not interested in it. I see my loneliness as a sign of uniqueness. The one who goes ahead is always alone"

>"Do you know what I will write in the Encyclopedia? Friendship is a primitive set of rituals designed to help individuals forget about their own loneliness."
[/spoiler]
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>>1203825
>Friendship is a primitive set of rituals designed to help individuals forget about their own loneliness
is she wrong though?
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>>1203839
Answer it yourself shinji
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>>1203839
if that's correct, then loneliness is also a primitive and pointless instinct
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>300 replies past bump limit
what a thread
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>>1203854
I made sure to bait and inflate the numbers.
I want to do my part and not be a useless poster of this glorious thread!
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>>1203842
Get in the Wardstone, Shinji
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>>1203901
do any of the APs actually go into what the fuck happened to aroden
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>>1203926
none of them
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>>1203926
That's one of those things that will never be answered
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>>1203205
how do you even kill a bugman

i remember the worm that walked in kingmaker being more annoying to kill than the autistic flame fey
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>>1204019
Bugspray. Or >>1204024



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