Thought I'd give this "greatest game of all time" a chance: >30 minutes of video introductions and reading before you start>Long, tedious introductory cutscenes when you do>Story is awful, script is written by a 15 year old hormonal teen who only reads anime comics>FINALLY get to the gameplay and more and more cutscenes>Wait a minute it's 50% gameplay the rest is cutscenes and dialogue Holy shit this is really bad. More like an interactive video than a game. You can barely play it because you are constantly being interrupted by story development to a plot which has the depth of a forgettable b-movie action flick with every trope in the book. Why do people treat this as some kind of breakthrough?
Spill the beans, OP. Were you doing a bait thread, or are you an actual zoomie who played this for the first time?Either way, I agree.
>>9750802I mean I've also played it for the first time a few days ago and enjoyed it a lot.I love how cinematic it is as a ps game and the dialogue is at the very least enjoyable, not a masterful writing piece but definitely better than most of the other stuff I've played and it knows how to have fun with itself.I've only played the first hour and a half or so though, so maybe it takes a nosedive???
>>9750802It was a breakthrough for video games in the mainstream bubble. The plot isn’t bad at all, it payshomage to James Bond, escape from New York, big trouble in little China, blade runner and many other classic spy/sci-fi/action films. I also dont think the gameplay is horrible, maybe a bit janky but perfectly playable. It’s the first big cinematic game of course it’s got tons of cutscenes. That was impressive for 1996 on the home console market. You don’t fucking understand anything, it feels like I’m trying to explain things to a brick wall
>>9750802Based. Also the fact that you explicitly state you had not played this "greatest game of all time" before should by NO means be extrapolated into a ballpark estimation of how much opinion may be worth. It's like implying somebody raised on TikTok videos couldn't legitimately give Citizen Kane a 0/10 review.
>>9750802>script is written by a 15 year old hormonal teen who only reads anime comicsThe translator infamously took a bunch of liberties with the script, and Kojimbo was so pissed off when he found out that the guy never worked for them again.
>>9750802Why would I care about what you think, I don't even know you
>>9750854and then the same thing happened with the second game too.
I played MGS like 20 times at least.I never listened to the com calls. Ever. Always skipped most of them. Just stick to the cutscenes and if you see the com has no relevance, skip it.
>>9750851Yes, but that’s not based. That’s the opposite of being based, it’s pure ignorance and apathy
I'm so fucking bored. Why is /vr/ so goddamn terrible now?
>>9750883it's week-end, zoomies aren't in school
>>9750883We're hitting /vrpg/ levels of posts per hour, it's actually pretty impressive.
>>9750883Then make a good thread and stop bumping bad ones.
>>9750802>playing the remakelmao
>know this great game?>yeah!? WELL IT'S SHIT!thanks OP, eye-opening
>>9750854Ficking based kojimjjm
>>9750883Sorry for making that tnt thread anon
>>9750854starting with the twin snakes/snake eater translations were more faithful... and the writing got even worse
>>9750802Definitely an example of you had to be there. MGS is one of my favorite franchises, recently replayed 1 on emulator and it really is run past the rudimentary AI on the way to the next cutscene/codec call.Still GOATed because it led to 2+3, one of the best one-two punches any series has ever managed.
>>9750930How was MGS2's translation unfaithful? You're the second person itt to assert this, and I've never heard this before.
>>9750943Character limits or somethinghttp://www.eatchain.com/garbage/METALGEAR%3F%3F%3F/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%202%20Agness%20Kaku%20Intereview/Page%202/Hardcore%20Gaming%20101%20%20Agness%20Kaku%20Interview.htm
>>9750974There's a world of difference between an actual Japanese person conforming to technological limitations, and some jew writing literal fan fiction.
>>9750802I didn't take much back in my day to make a great game. I'm sorry your zoom zoom dopamine and oxytocin receptors are completely fucked but that's just how it goes now. Pretty soon you'll be bitching about payphones and radios next.
>>9750987Yeah I didn't claim it was on the tier of MGS 1 since I'm not that original anon, the article I posted though shows how a lot of MGS 2 was lost in translation due to the localizer being forced to focus on atmosphere and mood rather than accuracy. it mentions how she never got easy access to the script but merely word files and how she finds kojimas writing juvenile and silly. The game being not faithful in the script aside as much as people love Hayter and the original cast the Japanese VAs are legitimately much better and give different performances, as in Jap Snake doesn't sound like a pirate.
>>9750802Thief sucks. See you next week.
>>9751025>and how she finds kojimas writing juvenile and sillyI can't get over this. The man predicted to the T the effects of social media before they even got off the ground, and she says this? Stupid bitch.
>>9750802Imagine playing MGS for the first time in 2023.Yeah no shit it doesn't appeal to you if if you don't like cinematic experiences
FF7 was the better cinematic experience. It's more zoomer-friendly too
>>9750802so dont play it you faggot
>>9751006>I'm sorry your zoom zoom dopamine and oxytocin receptors are completely fuckedI'm 39 dickhead >>9750830It's legit unplayable. Brief stealth level, cutscene, explore a room, radio conversation, pick up an item, long cutscene. This was my first attempt too. What is the replayable value? I am just going to load up Tenchu again fuck this
>>9751072>I'm 39 dickhead
>>9751072>It's legit unplayable. Brief stealth level, cutscene, explore a room, radio conversation, pick up an item, long cutscene. This was my first attempt too. What is the replayable value? I am just going to load up Tenchu again fuck thisJ-Jeff Gerstmann? What are you doing on 4chan?
>>9750987>literal fan fictionthere's only one mistranslation, it tells the same story but with better writing than terrible japoid shit that bogged down the sequels
>>9751098Oh boy, the JIDF found the thread!
>>9750802>greatest game of all timeNobody but you called it that. You already started your needy attention whore thread with a straw man argument.
>>9750802Solidfags insist that newcomers play the first 2 MSX games too to fully grasp the subtle nuances. So I did. They're two of the worst games I've ever played.
>>9750848>impressive for 1996>You don’t fucking understand anythingop is just saying it doesn't hold up and he's half right
>>9751072>It's legit unplayable.Yet so many people play it and enjoy it. Interesting.
>>9750910it's cool when a game thinks outside of the box but not when it gives no indication to the player that he must do the same.
Its fine to think MG games are shit or whatever but is this worth a threadPlenty of people hate the games because of their focus on cutscenes and the gameplay not being that deep
>>9750802>30 minutes of video introductions and reading before you startimagine specifically going out of your way to watch all of the briefing tapes and previous game summaries and then COMPLAINING about itit was all optional! it gave you the choice to do this and you think that's bad!
>>9750802Play the VR missions. It's the gameplay without all the story bullshit.
>>9750802>More like an interactive video than a game.
All movie games suck. Cutscenes were such a fucking mistake. RPGs like Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger at least made them quick.
mgs is a great series because no matter how much you try to call it an interactive movie the gameplay is still the best part and why you're playing it in the first placenobody would play kojima games if they had bad gameplay, and people play them even when they have bad stories
>>9751362The only way you'd know it takes 30 minutes is if you look these things up or have experienced it yourself. If you've never played the game before you'd assume there can be something important that you need to remember from the game in the cutscenes.
>>9751343>but is this worth a threadOf course not. Threads like these are just pretentious contrarians thinking they're smart for noticing a game's flaws then proceed to come dunk on them for internet validation. Poor thing too, she's about to hit 41.
>>9750883Gen 6 is good but allowing it was a mistake. The problem is that /v/tatds haven't played anything before it, so they came here to discuss gen 6 games and I think that various threads encouraged them to try older games. Obviously people who've never touched an actual retro game need time to get used to them and considering the fact that we are on 4chan, anything people don't understand will get shat on
>>9751031American translators are all like this, especially the shitty ones that get forced to work on video games and manga instead of "real" literature like they want. They all have zero respect for the original work and see themselves as a genius whose duty it is to "fix" all the bad writing the author did.
>>9751383Most peoples favorite parts of the MGS series are not gameplay, it's the cutscenes, this being the case it's hard to call the gameplay excellent when the games are most memorable for it's cutscenes.MGS 1 - I'll say most memorable is probably psycho mantis, though upon release the most memorable part is undeniably the visual look and seamless integration of cutscenes into a game, making the simple gamplay seem much larger.MGS 2 - The mindfuck end which is conveyed solely through cutscenes or what is essentially interactive movie type gameplayMGS 3 - Some people will say the end fight but whenever people talk about MGS 3 it's usually about the cutscenes, people remember it for the final speech at the end or Naked Snakes autism and all the cool moments with the Boss, people aren't reaping praise for the times you crawl slowly on the ground while opening menus to min-max camo. They remember the funny codecs
It's perfectly ok that there exists a game with an anime attached to it, this isn't some sort of great sin, it's entertainment. It only became a problem with the consolidation of modern photorealistic graphics and marketing schemes.
>>9751505I'd sooner blame her for being a hole than an American. You sound obsessed.
>>9750848This was a werid reply. Like at this point>You don't fucking understand anythingIt was like anon was receving answers from OP. Even though he wasn't lol. Like dude had amental breakdown toward the end of his post.>>9750802You got to keep in mind that all video games were not very cinematic up to the ps1 era. every story, if a game had one at all, was like FF6, a bunch of pixels and text boxes. Imagine living in a world like that and then you suddenly get FMV from FF7 and thirty minute long cutscenes from MGS1, it would be a joy to sit there and watch them. WHICH THEY WERE! but it does not translate to a modern audience. In fact, MGSV is my favorite because its story is neglected.
>>9751657This is a very informative post. Thank you for taking time to explain things that my zoomer brain could not fathom. I had no idea that other people lived before me. I thought existence started in 2012. But now I see that people were around for a long time. I wonder if there are other works of art from before 2012?
>>9750802These threads are getting tedious. You can't possibly expect anyone to believe that you haven't heard the most common complaints about the game before playing it. You weren't in a coma. You knew what the series was going in because the same talking points are brought up every single thread.You're such a faggot.
>>9751583my favorite part of MGS3 was the fight with the old dude with the sniper. A game has still yet to surpass that fight in terms of enviorment and the bosses character. It was also scary because he could sneak up on you.
>>9751667You shut your mouth. You don't know what I knew and what I didn't
>>9751675Plausible deniability only works if it's plausible.
>>9751686Do you know the inner workings of the heart? no, you cant read minds, so there is plausibility fool.
>>9751441Not to mention before the rule change, I feel the cap at 5th gen was somewhat good at gatekeeping most Zoomers and tourists since the majority of them don't play old vidya prior to 5th gen and even then, there's not much to discuss with said gen outside of their few golden geese titles, leaving the other older gens to alone for the most part.The Mods were SO. FUCKING. CLOSE by making more vidya boards, but fucked it up with /vr/.
>>9751706If you're responding to minor things like that, then you didn't want an honest vidya discussion. This isn't a service desk. Go suck a fat one, OP. It's what you're good at.
>>9750854Non-EOP here. Most of Blaustein's changes basically amounted to having Snake make snarky comebacks when he didn't in the original JP script. It seems he wanted to make more changes into the script, including changing the names of the enemy bosses, but Scott Dolph and Satoshi Hirano (a guy who oversaw the localizations of all the Meta Gear games since MGS1) put a damp to that idea.
Has anyone here played Boktai? It's written by Kojima, how is the story?
>>9751813It's a nice game, but Kojima barely worked on it. Kojima came up with the game idea and plot outline and was going to direct the first game himself, but he ended directing and writing MGS3 instead. The whole Boktai series is mostly Ikuya Nakamura's baby, who was the pixel artist in Ghost Babel.
>>9750802Shut up zoomie with the attention span of 2 seconds
>>9751583>The mindfuck end which is conveyed solely through cutscenesway to show you either haven't played it or it went over your head
>>9751813i've only played the first one, but it's basically a stealth game that's pretty light on the story. some wacky kojima naming conventions but for the most part its just you sneaking into crypts and busting vampires. very fun game with some things that were clearly either suggested by kojima or someone with similar tastes (coffin dragging)
>>9751867The first half of the game is only meaningful in any way after you watch the cutscenes, the gameplay isn't the highlight, the cutscenes are. Maybe I chose the wrong word "conveyed solely" but the cutscenes at the end are the highlight of the show objectively. Maybe you mean though the segments where you play as Raiden with Snake and the game falls apart in which case, that's one of the interactive movie parts. Snake literally plays the game for you in that moment. And even if that is gameplay the most memorable parts that anyone cares or talks about involving MGS 2 are the cutscenes at the end, not fighting along snake or replaying MGS 1 oil tanker edition
>>9750802The Twin Snakes is better.
Thanks for update!
>>9751583I don't remember the codecs much. Honestly i doubt you played it and just watched a youtube video.
>>9751780Exactly, except>their few golden geese titlesJust like OP, all of them most likely watch these on Youtube instead of playing themselves
>>9752469There's no way to prove anyone has played it because you can't point to any memorable gameplay moment. Uh yeah my favorite moment was crawling in the jungle and then changing my camo index. I guess the mountain climb is memorable since it's more actiony and harder to sneak? The gimmicky boss fights? The motorcycle chase? No one fucking mentions this when they reap praise on the game, just the story (which is done entirely through cutscenes and codecs which are cutscenes)
And before you give a shitter reply like "Yep you haven't played it" just give an example of memorable gameplay moments. On the top of my head it'd be like that cut dream sequence or the end where you shoot the boss
>>9752613Don't need proof. Especially with a reply like that.
>>9751657>You got to keep in mind that all video games were not very cinematic up to the ps1 eraYes but this is a moot point. The CD-ROM was invented and we went from cartridges and floppies to optical discs, this was for all platforms. But you still don't see fantasy games, adventures, RPGs etc. spending half if not MORE of the intended gameplay time on dialogue, radio conversations and reading. It was a game that depended way too much on unoriginal, regurgitated action cinema and yet it still has a reputation as being "the game that defined it all". Why? Was it the first game to use cutscenes? No. The first to have a storyline? There's nothing really new or interesting about it other than it bullied itself to the top spot of Best PS1 Game Ever in every magazine and website.
>>9750848Kojima "pays homage" to Hollywood movies by directly ripping them off and then inserting cringey anime nonsense into them. The gameplay is the only good part of his games, and as OP said, that's constantly interrupted by melodramatic cutscenes and Codec calls.
didnt read any of this shit you just said, you're retarded
>>9751072>39 years old>can't appreciate simplicityWelp. Either way the game was great, sorry you missed out.
>>9751128>op is just saying it doesn't hold up and he's half rightno, he said 'buh why was it a breakthrough' without taking in context and then judging it on today's terms.
>>9750854Name one Blaustein edit that was worse than the original script>>9750858No that localizer didn't take any major liberties, she just called Kojimbo a hack afterwords.
>>9750858no it didn't, mgs2's dialogue can be just a little stiff at times in comparison to 1 for this reason.
>>9751583the thing the average person remembers from mgs the most is all the goofy technology moments and eastereggs which are all partly rooted in gameplay systems.
Kojima fanboys are a cult, OP, no matter what he shits out they gobble it up.If you want a good stealth game play Thief the Dark Project or Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.
>>9754771>>9754782That's because they caught her out and undid all her bullshit before release. Almost none of her changes were kept She even got the opportunity to pitch some crap and suggested adding a level to the next katamari where you have to clean up corpses in a battlefield and it was enough of a bad idea that they never called her back to work for anything else. Now all she does is whine about how she missed out on her chance to "fix" things.
>>9750802It was novel at the time
>>9750802The reason MGS is a good series despite all of the cutscenes etc is because you can skip them all and still have fun with just the gameplay. It never forgets that it's still a game and is obligated to deliver fun to the player.
>>9750848>You don’t fucking understand anything, it feels like I’m trying to explain things to a brick wall>says this before OP even has a chance of replyingKek
>>9754771>>9755317Kaku is in no position of calling Kojima a hack after reading her early MGS2 draft that were filled with Snake and Otacon exchanging epic quips after every other line. I swear to God that Joss Whedon ruined an entire generation of screenwriters.
>>9755769Joss Whedon had next to no influence on screenwriters back when MGS2 was being developed.
>>9750848You held it together longer that I would have if I were to write this post.
>>9755791Given Agness Kaku's age, I get the impression she would've been a Buffy fangirl around the time MGS1 and 2 both came out.
>>9750802When I was a teenager I was willing to forgive it more for this. MGS3 is also my favorite because I feel like it's the easiest on cutscenes out of all the MGS games. MGS4 was so fucking densely packed with cutscenes, I just quit trying to beat the game and fucking resold it at Gamestop.>>9750848Then you have coping retards like this fucker over here.>the plot isn't bad at allYes, it is, it's very bad.>It pays homagePaying homage has nothing to do with the quality of the writing. Anyone can do that.>It's the first big cinematic gameWrong, Final Fantasy 7 came out before MGS1 did. In fact, Adventure games as a whole accomplished the whole "cinematic feat" nearly a decade before MGS1 with Another World, which released in 1991.
I don't give a shit about what you think of Hideo Kojima as a game designer or writer, but Jeremy Blaustein and Agness Kaku still bitching about him with passive aggressive digs years after they were both ghosted from further games in the series is bitch-ass ingrate behavior and only vindicates Kojima in my eyes for choosing not to work with them again. And I'm saying this as some one who prefers the vanilla MGS1 translation over Twin Snakes.
>>9755809I would take it a step further and say V is the only good one since Venom is basically a mute. All the PC version needs is a mod that disables the codec vomit until you ask for help directly.
>>9755769If your attempt was to highlight how bad of writer she is, you're doing a fuck-all job of it. This just showcases how awkward and inaccurate a lot of Kojima's writing truly is. It's also not very quipy.
>>9755769>>9756170Yeah, that's not too bad. It just needs a little trimming. Get rid of the "Over"s and some of the cornier shit like "slips a Miceky Finn in the morning glass of OJ"
>>9750848>It’s the first big cinematic game of course it’s got tons of cutscenes.Half-Life was released the same year and didn't need a single cutscene to be cinematic.
>>9750848>It’s the first big cinematic game of course it’s got tons of cutscenes.Is this the same kind of delusion as OoT fanboys? MGS was released in 1998.1998. Just Resident Evil alone was more of a movie game and it was released 2 years before.
>>9750802Yeah Metal Gear Solid is hardly a video game. But your fanfic story is gay as fuck and didn't happen.
>>9756170>>9756397How about Kaku's proposed Katamari Damacy game idea?
>>9757163Her proposals being shit doesn't magically make Kojima's writing good. Should she stay in her lane? Yes. Is she wrong about Kojima being a hack? Fuck no.
>>9757183>Is she wrong about Kojima being a hack? Fuck no.How exactly is Kojima a hack? The guy is one of the most successful game developers of all time.
>>9757187A hack writer is someone who produces mediocre to outright garbage writing. The MGS series is exactly that.
>>9757191One of the most consistently celebrated game series for its narratives, characters, plots, themes and writing
>>9757196Celebrated by the same people who gave shit like Fallout 3 awards for its writing. Look if you enjoy MGS for what it is, more power to you, but it's not the literary masterpiece fanboys make it out to be.
>>9757198the world disagrees with you, and lack of proof or reasoning just shows your own arguments are poor.
>>9757204>the world disagrees with youThe world thinks McDonalds is the best restaurant by sheer numbers served, so who cares what the majority thinks about anything? I thought you guys disregarded "normies" for making asinine takes like this.
>>9757205What exactly makes it poorly-written in your opinion anyway and what would you consider an example of good vidya writing?
>>9751031STOP. CEASE. I love kojima and the metal gear series, but this needs to stop being perpetuated. Kojima did NOT predict this, Kojima is an avid reader especially of science fiction and speculative fiction. Postmodernist styled fictions (and non-fictions) had been calling what MGS2 said would happen as far as a decade in advance of its creation.
>>9757238Even if he didn't exactly predict anything, Metal Gear had a lot of themes and subjects that many story-driven games didn't exactly touch, so you have to give him credit for that.
>>9750854...and that's why MGS1 is the only Solid game with a good script. I love all the games (4 mostly excluded) but the literal translations after 1 were awkward
>>9757243>I love all the games (4 mostly excluded) but the literal translations after 1 were awkwardNone of the MGS games after 1 had exactly "literal" translations, except maybe TTS. There's no such thing. t. non-EOP
>>9757241He disseminated those ideas for an audience too young/retarded to have read his inspiration. Mgs2 blew my mind when I was 13.
>>9757246>俺はお前だ>I'm you>You're talking to yourselfIf anyone makes a proper script comparison of all the mainline MGS titles, there's plenty of examples of stylized translation choices, but EOPs won't bother going through that effort.
>>9750802Sounds like someone is playing on easy and killing everyone
>>9757223>What exactly makes it poorly-written in your opinionEach title goes into autistic detail about how the world works and what motivates the characters before retconning everything in the next one. Ex: Big Boss wasn't Snake's father in MG2, Miller looked nothing like Liquid prior to PW, Dr. Clark was not Paramedic until MGS4, all the supernatural stuff boiling down to parasitic bugs/robot bugs in character's blood.. how the fuck do you get invested in this shit when it punishes you for paying attention?>what would you consider an example of good vidya writing?Any of the isometric Fallout games besides BoS. Up until Bethesda bought the franchise it was set in a consistent universe that followed its own rules Characters and faction motivations remained consistent between games and you weren't punished for getting invested in the lore.
>>9750848The dialogue and cutscenes are also integrated into the gameplay during a few moments like the famous Psycho Mantis fight. I think it's interesting. You call your allies on codec and you can get reactive comments based on what's happening around you.
>>9751801Scott Dolph is a real person? Wonder how he feels about the character named after him getting fucked by Vamp
>>9757238what's more impressive is him dropping a 9/11 scenario just two months later after the fact in 2001 if just by sheer coincidence.
>>9755769think it shows that even when a translator has questionable taste as evidenced by those horrendous quips, their conversational wording is just going to be effortlessly superior as a native speaker.
>>9751072>TenchuBased, that's how you make fun stealth gameplay. I can't even go back to stuff like Splinter Cell now after having played that.
>>9757784Kaku did both translations in that image (the stilted direct ones and the stylized ones).
>>9757238Name the book that more or less predicted social media, and I'll read it.
>>9751780>Posting the adulterated picture.
>>9751780>The Mods were SO. FUCKING. CLOSE by making more vidya boards, but fucked it up with /vr/./vt/ is clearly just a containment board, while /vrpg/ and /vm/ are just graveyards, some of the slowest boards on the site. They have no reason to exist. At least /v2k/ would've acted as a real pressure release valve here.