Is f'pigga based emulation the future of mid-level enthusiast retro gaming?
>>9131286Probably High Level Enthusiasts.
>>9131298Too cheap and non-comittal for that, it's just emulation after all. f'pigga based emulation. It's a step above buying controllers+adapters to use at your emustation PC.
>>9131320Your ignorance is showing.
>>9131286no? just use a laptop, it's not hard
>>9131373Feeling intimidated by its size? A normal reaction.
>>9131286Pics of these things never fail to make me laugh. Thanks, OP.
>>9131286It's a perfect midwit trap, yes.
>>9131417I tried to find one with wires going in every direction, to represent the real f'pigga experience.
>>9131286>playing 500$ to play games with less accuracy than an raspberry pihilarious, seriously
>>9131286>mid-levellol. Emulating on a mister is cheaper than a decent emulation PC. Both of which are massively cheaper than buying just a handful of original systems. So basically as low as you can get as an """enthusiast""". Any lower and you're just a casual emulating on your phone.
>>9131484Here's a dirty secret for you anon. Most people playing /vr/ games only do it because it's all their toaster computers can emulate.
>>9131465I don't like emulation in general but you're kidding yourself if you think a basedboy retropie is better than FPGA hardware.
>>9131495sounds like a pissing contest beween two people who wasted their money
>>9131501>wasted their moneyI'm sorry that you are poor.
>>9131508I know, life is hard but you can give me money if you're sorry.
>>9131286>Emulation>FPGAWhich are we talking here, kiddo?
>>9131501>>9131465>Thinking FPGA is not perfectly accurate and even cheapJesus this thread needs to be nuked.
>>9131559Did you hit your head on something?
>>9131286It's for gullible idiots>>9131561The guys who made mister did a massive interview in edge magazine. The conclusion of the multi-page article is that they're (fpga devices) no more accurate than software emulation and they don't have less input lag etc.
>>9131583They certainly do have less latency, they can have zero buffering for inputs, video and audio which software emulators can't really do. Whether that amounts to more than a frame or two in ideal cases, idk.As for accuracy, the difference is definitely overstated. Software emulation starts to shit the bed in terms of accuracy with the 5th gen, which is the ceiling of consumer level FPGAs.
>>9131561Then how come the dev behind it keeps making tweets about him fixing glitches that I havent ever seen in an emulator?https://twitter.com/azumfpg
>>9131594PSX core is a work in progress.
>>9131594>Made a new feature for the #MiSTerFPGA PSX core that helps with analog out for CRTs when games use full 24 bit, e.g. for FMVs.>Even with the analog board only supporting 18 bit color, it now looks much better.Accuracy my ass.
Why do you keep shitting up MiSTer threads, Voultar? Don't you have some CRTs to ruin with tap water?
>>9131603There are no MiSTer threads, they die because they can't sustain any discussion.
>>9131286Why not just buy the real thing? Old consoles literally last forever as long as there are no mechanical parts.
>>9131621Buy six consoles with rotting capacitors for $200 eachOR buy 20+ for $400hmmmm hard decision
>>9131629wait, it's $400 and can't even run playstation games?
>>9131629I've never seen a console with bad capacitors. I have an Atari 2600 from the late 70s that still works perfectly. But even if the capacitors do go bad some day, they cost literally cents to replace.
>>9131508>he's still shillingI'm sorry you made a poor investment. Maybe one day you'll make your money back.
>>9131634Bad capacitors is a late 90s early 2000s thing. I have a game boy pocket with failing caps.
>>9131632It can. I played all of MGS without issue.
>>9131659my doctor tells me to watch my intake of MSGs
>>9131298High level is going back to emulation after experimenting with FPGA.Higher than that is going back to original hardware after seeing everything emulation and FPGA have to offer.Highest of all is not posting about your hardware.
The overhead and inaccuracy of emulation is definitely a con. Tell someone they could run xbox 360 games perfectly on their FPGA phone though and you’ll turn some heads.The energy efficiency is also a great selling point, here have a 120 hour gameboy clone with all your favorite classic games.
>>9131286raspberry pis have shot up in price to an insane degree
>>9131610>I bet those grapes tasted like shit anyway
>>9131610No they don't. Over the years damage from heat cycles and electrostatic charge accumulates until the semiconductors die.
>>9131629Mister only costs $250 to play. The rest is optional.
I love the mister and genuinely don't get all the hate for it here, makes no sense to me. Ended up being one of the best /vr/ related purchases I've made. It plays near everything 5th and below outside of the N64, it's compatiable with a wide variety of peripherals that are a lot more cumbersome to get working on PC, there's no additional input or audio delay, and it's way easier to hook up to a CRT than messing with crtemu drivers and converters on PC, It's plug and play, literally just works It's a practically identical experience to using real hardware. Do you occasionally run into a bug that wasn't on real hardware? Well sure but you run into them as rare as you would with modern software emulation and the support for the mister is so active it gets cleaned up relatively quicklyFor the devices it emulates it's replaced the hardware for me. And if you were starting from scratch it would easily be one of the best and most cost effective purchases you could make in regards to retro games. Hell I think a neo geo and flashcart alone is already more than the mister. I guess I just don't get why a board dedicated to retro games would dislike a device that's super good for both playing and even preserving the original hardware experience
>>9131495pi4 can run all the accurate RA cores for the systems mister can emulate.
The MiSTer at this point is way better than original hardware.
I have a mister and it gets the job done just fine. Sold off my sfc collection and my twin famicom is in a box somewhere. Great alternative for ppl who don't have much space in their homes. Been playing beatmania on the psx core like a mad man using my ascii controller recently. Might try to hook up my guitar hero ps2 controller later to see if guitar freaks works too. Now all I have left of my collection is gb, gbc, gbp, wsc, ps2, n64, and psp. Life is great.
>>9132291They sure did. Sorry you actually wasted money on them.
>>9131493Indeed. Most bandwagoners aren't """enthusiasts"""
Has anyone else noticed that if we go longer than two days without having a Mister thread somebody makes a "Mister sucks" thread. I love my Mister, there is absolutely nothing to talk about.
>>9131286This kills the bingbingwahoo emulator kids.https://youtu.be/5ZTS04rVOn0
>>9133030>I'm stupid and bad at video games. Take that, emutards!
>Even with the analog board only supporting 18 bit color, it now looks much better.MiSTerfags...
>>9131629Maybe for you, not for meI went with original hardwareWhy are mister enthusiasts always talking about money?
>>9133104Spending $200 on magic beans makes you rich, don't you know.
>>9131634You probably won’t notice them but usually things like jail bars on screen are indicative of caps going bad
>>9131597optional dithering filter on video output in no different to applying shaders to emulator. It has no relevancy on emulation accuracy. Also, the core supports true 24-bit color output though HDMI. It's only the VGA output on default analog board which is limited to 18-bit color. There is a way to output analog video though HDMI on MiSTer.
>>9131286No, it requires too much software maintenance.
>>9133065The mister can output 24 bit colour without the analogue board which can be used for outputting two signals at once.
>>9133328Do you know something that core dev doesn't?
>>9133104These are poorfags who can't even afford a decent emulation rig. It's absolutely imperative that you know they spent their entire life savings of $200 so that they could emulate games slightly better than on a computer fished from a dumpster.
>>9133330Core dev added that function because there's a large userbase who use the Analog I/O board limited to 18-bit color. It seems like the MiSTer leaders want to get rid of the Analog I/O board entirely and make everybody switch to direct video, but any like any other major switch it will take a long time for a userbase to complete.
So do you guys play games or just yell at each other about tech spec sheets?
>>9133104>haha you misterfags are stupid for spending so much money on a shitty device!>why are misterfags always talking about money?
How does the latest and greatest in SNES FPGA cores compare to the SNES emulator in ares?
>>9133564Timings are the same but it has no latency and audio lag so it's much better.
>>9133580Can FPGAs use runahead?
>>9131286Is there a place where people share HDL for emulating hardware or if you are into retro stuff you build it from scratch?How do I even go about building an NES for example?
>>9133630I mean you can just look at the sources for the various mister cores.
>>9133603Can you remove passenger seats from a Formula 1 car to reduce its weight?
>>9133651No need to bite my head off dude. But I suppose I got my answer anyway.
>>9131286>mid-levelit boots up in like 4 seconds flatmy crt used to take longer to turn on honestlyi keep trying to repurchase but i refuse to pay a 150+ markup ill just wait- i have original hardware and a gaming pc
>>9133365>It seems like the MiSTer leaders want to get rid of the Analog I/O board entirely and make everybody switch to direct videoNot really, because dual output is a useful feature.
>>9133630Zlib has a bunch of FPGA programming books.
>>9133603Runahead is tool assisted cheating though, not sure why any serious gamer would care.
>>9135395Ah, now I finally understand. This FPGA stuff is for speedrunner rules lawyer autism. Now it makes sense.
>>9135445Why bother playing at all, why not just save some money and watch longplays on youtube...
>>9131286i really wish arcade cores were as maintained as console cores. It's still better to use MAME for those, but MAME still sucks dick for a lot of fucking games (like shmups, GOOD LUCK SETTING UP SLOWDOWNS YOU FAGGOT). FPGA emulation would be a godsend for that since you're properly emulating the whole pcb architecture but nobody's doing that shit.And we can't even emulate cave CV1000 hardware.... fuck me, man.
>>9135686Are you tipping on patreon?
>>9135693No, can't spare the money. And if i have some, i can just buy the boards for the games i want to play instead of paying for the promise of maybe having a half-maintained core for a ~600$ FPGA+mistercade 2 years time.
>>9135686>And we can't even emulate cave CV1000 hardware.... fuck me, man.It becomes even trickier when trying to use an FPGA to reproduce Cave boards, as the cv1k (sh-3, whatever you'd like to call it) uses an Altera Cyclone FPGA of its own.
>>9135686Accurate slowdown for STGs and other arcade games would be one of the key advantages of an FPGA IMO, is the MiSTer project really in such a rudimentary state?
>>9135703for arcade cores? kind of, yeah... only recently we got dodonpachi and dangun feveron, but i think that's about it for cave, and those are the ones running on 68k, afaik jotego was going to start work on PGM but there's nothing on that front (and with the cheap ass prices of a PGM and repro carts i don't think there's a lot of demand). We do have a garegga/kingdom grand prix/bakraid core now but idk how accurate that is. Here's a list: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Arcade-Cores-ListBesides some other sparse things, there's a lot left out.Most other arcade cores i've seen are, like, late 70s/80s and a few odd things here and there but a lot of people insist they lack testing. By own admission of the people working on it, the focus of MiSTER is consoles and not arcade boards, which kind of sucks because from a preservation point of view, arcade boards are the ones in dire straits.And, I think in some cases it can even be better than the boards themselves. If that raizing core works, batrider should play better since there's like 3 frames of input lag or something with the actual board you can't do shit about, and raizing boards break so fucking often it would serve a purpose.If you care about consoles mostly though, fpga is the way to go. There's still some work to be done but emulation accuracy and input lag are so much better than emulators that it's worth the cash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZTS04rVOn0
>>9135702yeah. For the prices they command it's odd nobody has tried making reproduction boards, reading arcade projects forum they apparently do but it's all very secretive and nobody gives any info around, but the chips needed to make one aren't completely extinct it seems. This is purely speculation on my part though. All their ports suck ass (the non M2 ones) and 1-2k for a cheap board, 8k for a daifukkatsu/saidaioujou is RETARDED. Cave were their worst enemy when it came to distributing their games because nobody could actually play them since their releases were so fucking limited compared to the gargantuan demand their games have even now
>>9135735>since their releases were so fucking limited compared to the gargantuan demand their games have even nowWhich is why you think they'd be much more cooperative with Degica (or whoever they're using now to yet again release DS) on the ports, both in number of titles and accuracy. We get neither. On the bright side, they stopped using suicide batteries on their boards some years back. So there's that.
>>9135745yeah, degica, but their ports so far have kind of sucked. the M2 ports are no doubt the best they've ever done, to the point they're basically arcade-perfect, but that's just 3 games so far, and all of them on older hardware.I haven't had the chance to try the espgaluda 2 port though, did they fuck that one up too? I remember the 360 one having fuck all slowdown.
>>9135697If you don't contribute you can't complain.
>>9135727>Here's a list: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Arcade-Cores-ListThat list is missing all of jotego's cores (CPS1, CPS2 and sega system 16, ect)
I hope Jotego can get PGM and CPS3 working on this thing.Is anyone working on Taito F3 and Midway T unit?
are mister parts still overpriced and hard to get?
>>9131812>Highest of all is not posting about your hardware.Based.
>>9136291is CPS dash working on it yet? I like me some cadillacs & dinosaurs>>9135754I want to be mad at this post but can't think of a rebuttal, so i guess you're right.Hell, i'd make cores if i knew how to. I know some people learned the ropes by themselves, but i wouldn't know where to start, even though i'm not illiterate with electronics and programming.I'm still going to call you a nigger, though. bleeeeeeeeeeh>>9136158has anyone compiled a proper list of cores then? I imagined the one from the official github to be complete, but i guess i thought wrong.
>>9136572>is CPS dash working on it yet? I like me some cadillacs & dinosaursyes jotego's cores runs all CPS 1, CPS1.5(dash) and CPS2 games. I can't find a list of all arcade games released. Things like some cave games, taoplan shooters, raizing shooters are not listed on the wiki.
>>9136572I took some screenshots of all the arcade MRAs with a ftp client. These 2 pictures include all arcade games that are supported right now.
>>9136572You're the gibs nigger.
>>9133630In general all of the fpga community work is open. There are multiple fpga platforms and projects cross pollinating.
holy shit what is with fpga devices and $40 shipping
>>9137816Except for some Analogue stuff, yes. I'm not expecting them to actually open their stuff up meaningfully.
>>9131286Don't know if I'd consider it mid-level, bit higher than that, purely based on the fact it asks a decent amount of money and setup (at least compared to running an emulator on a computer you already own). But It'll definitely stick around, but not fully replace software emulation.What really needs to stop is the shit flinging surrounding it.
>>9139506It's more expensive than other emulators, it's not more expensive than real hardware.
>>9131812That's nice. Why are you here again?
>>9131632Wow, you're completely out of touch. Way to be.
after all my shittalking fpigs over the years I've decided to get one
>>9142461to discuss Goemon, my favorite game series.What's your favorite Goemon game?
Has anyone noticed that fag trolling about lionking on the Mister forums?
>>9135686>cv1kThis is collectors monopoly stuff imo, <<redacted>> will force the project taken down if they try to go further on the development just like how they did to SDOJ and AK driver on MAME
>>9143698tell me of this story
>>9131286Since this is another FPGA vs Software emulation thread.>poorfags get mad that someone spent money on a hobby dev board and are using it for cycle accurate emulation>the same range of poorfags are buying pre-made hard drives with chinese-ware and underpowered computers for hyperspinThe hypocrisy is only masked by the loud screeching of autists clinging onto their inaccurate experiences. They would rather justify why they aren't at least investing time into gathering the knowledge to weight out which option would suit their needs. If you're really fine using software emulation, it wouldn't bother you that someone decided to use a different solution covering their needs.
>>9144941I think you're making up people to be mad about
>>9145065Scary thing is, when you ask him if those people are in the room with him now he says "yes"
>>9133104Probably because they didn't know a $200 cellphone can beat mister. Also garbage arm streaming boxes beat mister. Also licensed console minis beat mister. It is really neat what the contributors have done with mister but it seems like a waste of time and money. But so do chineseum handhelds but people circle jerk to that stuff too.
>>9146276>licensed console minis beat misterno one believes this stop trolling
>>9146316Heh, nothing personal but my bud bought a PS1 mini on the discount shelf, $60. Got it followed the easy to follow hacking instructions. Plays NES, Genesis, SNES and PS1 games in it, with friends.
Since this is I guess the FPGA thread, is the Overpriced Scalper Bullshit Pocket worth buying? LIke, now that there's a dev community? I keep hearing it's either basically a portable mister, or the worst FPGA device ever made.I already have a Vita but I have no idea how good that thing's software emulation is.
>>9146338MiSTer will play all of those platforms better, with fewer bugs and less latency. You need something a bit more powerful before they become comparable.
>>9146384>magic snake oil box better!Kids spending mommy's money on marketing gimmicks will always be an endless source of entertainment.
>>9131286You can play everything up to Dreamcast and PSP with a $15 Android stick from Wal-Mart
>>9146835The latency on those things is awful.
>>9146836I learned once you turn off wifi that basically fixes the problem. The higher end consoles still aren't perfect, but for the price it's not bad imo
>>9146835my PC is way more powerful than every non-pc option out there and I still cant play NES games via MESEN or SNES games via bsnes, higan, or snes9x without either tearing, stuttering, or audio crackling. No matter what manner of tweaking I do I end up with one of those. And its not a power thing, my system doesnt even use 20% of its resources emulating mesen and higan.
>>9131286It it ever becomes as close to affordable as a Raspberry Pi, it will definitely send waves. Until then, only people with nothing better to spend their money on will buy into this project.
>>9148579It's price comparable to an RPI4.
>>9149062It's crazy how much the price of a raspberry pi has spiked lately. It was a decent option for emulation when it was cheap, but now there's no point.
>>9148579$290 for de10 nano and ram module. not cheap, but not really expensive either
>>9149569All depends on how much you value 16ms of lag, I suppose.
>>9148579>tfw raspberry pi is the only general-purpose computer capable of running emulatorsWhy do people still bother with those SBCs when it's just as easy to plug a single cable into the phone you already have for higher quality emulation with a better (RetroArch) interface? Is everyone so ADHD they need to play with their phone while playing video games? Is it functional fixedness?
>>9149748I've never had a phone and I never will
>>9149775>I've never had sex and I never willftfy
>>9149779I dont know why people still think I'm a virgin. sure I've never had sex, but having to register as a sex offender should count for something
>>9146338PS1 emul on this is not great but serviceable too.if you go on vacation the thing weights nothing and is inexpensive. plug it in your motel/airbnb TV...
>>9146369I have one and it's been amazing after the jailbreak. But it's only worth it if you're a purist, it has no lag and no need to configure settings, it'll have true to hardware performance but no bells and whistles.
>>9132491I've got a MiSTer and even though I want to I still can't bring myself to get rid of my original consoles and carts. Mostly because I can't be fucked with playing the ebay game and I don't want to get raped selling it all to my local retro store.
There's a beta Casio PV-1000 core on MiSTer forum.
how long before the mister devs go down the same autistic route the mame devs went and the only thing that gets worked on are clock radio pcbs and popcorn machines while they break several cores people actually want to use in the process?
>>9150426There's already a core which emulates chess.
>>9150426If the devs stop working on systems/arcade games people want then people will stop donating to there patreons. I donate to jotego for his arcade games. If he cuts back on this to focus on the anolgue pocket Im not donating anymore.
>>9150426I mean the mister has near reached it's peak as far as popular platforms goes. Some brushing up here and there but even PS1 is near perfect and saturn is on the way. We've even got a dedicated super gameboy core (which is now my favorite way to play GB games)There's really not much more to work on that isn't niche
>>9150561If it's not niche there's no point.
>>9150561is it the japanese super gb with the correct speed?
>>9150518yeah but thats also how mame devs work
>>9150678no reason why it wouldn't be.
>>9150678It has options for both SGB1 and SGB2 speeds, independent from used system rom.
I'm happy with my mister setup but I also recognize it's not for everyone.
>>9149384All semiconductors have spiked including the DE-10 nano. It was pretty good value when I bought mine last year.
>>9149724There's more to Mister than bingbingwahoo. It's OK if it's not for you, but don't assume you know everything.
One plus I have for Mister is the ability to easily set the video on CRT. For consoles I prefer to play NTSC/60hz, for computers I prefer PAL/50hz. Just works, plus it's easy to game on LCD and get a good mode on a widescreen display.
>>9152050how much was it last year?
>>9152154If you have the analog out board you can even simultaneously output to CRT and any HDMI input which is great for streamers that want to play on CRT whilst capturing the pure digital HD video
>>9131286>mid-level enthusiast retro gamingby that you mean too poor to collect and too smug /r*ddit to emulate?Yes.
>>9152926>ahhh I-I have to coooooom-lect!go groom people into hoarding rotting plastic elsewhere, hardwaretranny
>>9152952I don't collect at all personally, I emulate. And there's zero reason to go f'pigga over emulation considering the only thing the de-10 nano can do well is Snes and lower, which is already perfect on regular emulation.PS1 is "coming soon" but even then who the fuck knows. Oh and N64 will never be done on it as the board is already at its limits
>>9152803Think I got mine for like $170
>>9152990was that the student pricing because thats what it is now. I just paid $231 shipping included directly from terasec. non student pricing because i didnt go to collage
>>9152981>ignoramus chimes in
>>9131286These things look ridiculous, why don't they put a case on it? Why the fuck would any enthusiast in retro gaming not play on real hardware? You ain't an enthusiast if you play on this shit
>>9155775it's just emutards coping about being emultards
>>9155775most people do put a case on it. you can buy one, print one, or make your own out of an enclosure or project box complete with fans and panel mounted ports. you can even stick them in a broken super nintendo or genesis and use the controller ports.
>>9155775You don't need to play on archaic failing hardware to be an enthusiast.I can get sharper video and sound, better framerates and loading, the same amount of input latency, and so much more from my MiSTer than you do from your "real hardware".>>9155792Emulation isn't inherently a bad thing. Even if you consider the MiSTer to be hardware emulation, it's still vastly superior to original hardware. Also emulators like Dolphin have surpassed a real GameCube and Wii like 10 years ago, with 4K rendering, true widescreen, etc.I used to be like you two for years. I bought into the "real hardware = better" meme, spending thousands on real systems, flashcarts, mods, cables, etc., thinking that the higher barrier to entry, relatively obscure mods, and playing on authentic consoles made my choice in how to play older games the best. But then I realized that the Mister does all of this far better for a fraction of the size and cost. In retrospect, having dozens of plastic boxes and hundreds of messy cables is autistic coomlector shit. MiSTer emulation is so good that I'm selling all my real hardware now. I told people here that I was selling my NeoGeo AES and they cried "LARPer!" lmao
>>9155775Convenience, future-proofing against hardware failure, access to a ton of retro consoles and computers you wouldn't have otherwise purchased. I don't have one (yet), but you're being silly if you don't see the value in a small machine that can play pretty much anything PS1 and below with great accuracy and no lag. When the game experience is virtually identical, who the fuck cares what box you're playing on?
>>9155853See what I mean?
>>9155882Nice rebuttal you fucking retard
>>9156029Are you okay?
>>9156061okay, take care
>>9156021you're not an enthusiast if you're good at video games c'mon bruh. you're only an enthusiast if you're me. everyone else is a zoom zoom newfag
>>9156021FGC tards are like a 50:50 mix of esl retards who can't explain what netcode actually is and people who probably did very scientific testing as to why a game has x amount of input lag to win an argument on a forum.I'd say most people wouldn't be able to tell a difference between even the shittiest of PC emus and real consoles given the AV side of things stayed the same.
>>9156121>people who probably did very scientific testing as to why a game has x amount of input lag to win an argument on a forum.To be fair, those kinds of people provide more productive discussion than projecting and speculating shitheads.
>>9131286I bought a V90 fake gameboy thing. I can just load up roms for games I want to play on the SD and start playing, right?Where do I find obscure coomer GB homebrew?
>>9156296That one is pretty shit, I got a ton of slowdowns in SNES emulation. Yes even with the CFW.But yeah, just drop them on the SD card. It just werks.
>>9156306>ton of slowdowns in SNES emulation.Is there any fuckyness with gameboy games? That's what I bought it for.
>>9156316Didn't try that out, should be fine for 8 bit game boy. Performance was fine for nes when I tried that.