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The great debate
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Turtles in Time and it's not even close, but this thread will have a few console warriors trying to paint Hyperstone as the better one just because it's on Sega and not Nintendo.
Both are good games anyway, Konami in their good days. Turtles in Time is just THE classic turtles game and the SNES version has the most content.
HH is more like a different game using some of the same assets and ideas but it's really a different game, not as big or spectacular in scale, but still a good game.
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>>9029663
Turtles in Twats and Hyperhymen Heist both pale in comparison to the actual only good Turtles game
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>>9029663
Considering the SNES version is widely considered the definitive version of the game, I’m going with that one
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>>9029670
Allright anon, sell me on this

Because having played it I can only assume you are hyping it on contrarianism alone since A; Back from the Sewers mogs it and B: The GB games are really barebones action/platformers with no multiplayer or real combat depth compared to the Beat em'ups
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TiT=Manhattan Project>Hyperstone Heist>Back From the Sewers>Radical Rescue>Arcade Game (NES version)>The rest don't really matter
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I've always enjoyed the weird bootleg feel of Hyperstone Heist - its like a romhack fever dream with the assets and engine of Turtles in Time pallette swapped onto the Genesis, with levels and characters lifted from TiT, Manhattan Project and the movie

I'd almost believe it was some kind of unofficial bootleg
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Turtles in Time wins, but Hyperstone Heist is no slouch - its levels just drag a bit too long with not enough variety, the hitstun isn't as snappy as SNES game and lack of foot soldier being thrown into the screen.

Still an excellent companion piece and well worth checking out if you love TiT and want a different flavor of it/just played TiT to death.
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>>9029685
>TiT=Manhattan Project
holy mother of based
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>>9029663
>>9029670

What was up with the art on the cover for TMNT games

The Konami games obviously took the majority of their inspiration from the '87 cartoon, so how come they so often employed the gritty comic book style for their covers?
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>>9029663
Turtles in time is best but the megadrive game is still great.
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>>9029745
I think it was made by the same guy who did the covers of Contra 3, Castlevania 4, etc.
They had that gritty and radical artstyle common in toy packagings of the early 90s.
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Hyperstone Heist due to the snappier faster gameplay and run button. But both are great beat em ups that rival any arcade bmup.
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>>9029745
Konami often outsourced their western box art to this guy. His stuff is generally really good, better than the Japanese originals in some cases.
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Hyperstone plays a lot better but is missing all of the content. The SNES assets on the Genesis version would be the definitive version.
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>>9029828
>SNES assets
>Genesis engine
>4 players
>Arguably arcade music

There, the definitive 16 bit Turtles beat-em-up
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>>9029663
Why choose?
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>>9029685
Based, Manhattan Project is BiS.
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>>9029685
>>9029760
>>9029852
I'm going for Hyperstone hard mode 1cc this week, I'm close I can feel it!
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>>9029663

Hyperstone heist is a better game. Arcade reminiscent difficulty with more aggressive AI, run button, quicker gameplay. TiT is a snooze-fest in comparison.

TiT has better graphics though.
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>>9029949
>TiT has better graphics though.
Nah. Hyperstone Heist has better parallax, therefore it wins in the graphics dept.
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>>9029956

Fair enough, though its def up to taste. I do love how badass the turtles looked in HH
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>>9029969
I wish the new turtles had a similar style, more grit, some darker night levels with punk enemies

>>9029949
TiT is no snooze fest, it plays fast even if Hyperstone is a bit faster.

>>9029663
Anyone tried Turtles in Time arcade on hardest difficulty? It's nuts
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>>9029908
based
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>>9030042

Key words are in comparison. Once you git gud at HH, TiT feels pretty sluggish imo. A lot of it has to do with the run button. That's not to say it's a slow game, tho
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>>9029663
I liked that Hyperstone had a dedicated dash button. made things a lot snappier.

My favorite TMNT game though was a PC game called Manhattan Missions.
its was slow and kind of awkward in the way that old PC games were but the graphics were amazing and the music was low key and atmospheric. It did not play like a console game at all.
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>>9030080
Ok fair enough I agree with that
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I will always say Hyperstone Heist just for this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s9gFb03suo&t=1057s
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>>9029745
Dunno
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>>9030176
Wow that looks lame
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>>9029663
Hyperstone Hiest has better controls
Turtles in Time has better everything else
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>>9030189
If you're gonna go that far you may as well include the remake too
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>>9029956
wtf this looks sick

there are good TMNT games?
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>>9030253
Yes, see >>9029670
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>>9030239
Heist has tighter level design and enemy placement makes for more exciting combat specially with the run button slide/dash/kick spam going on
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BIG APPLE, 3AM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnFcArSTmD8
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>>9030263
>not constantly shoulder-charge into foot thrashing
it's literally free points/lives anon
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>>9029956
Hyperstone sprites look redrawn from TiT and are off model and uglier. It’s pretty noticeable whenever you do the shoulder charge and the grab slam move.
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Yeah the controls in HH are tighter and more responsive and the hit detection is better, but literally everything else is better in TIT.

The skill ceiling is like, 10 times lower in HH than in TIT

HH is like
>run
>do the slide move
>you're now one/two shotting everything in the game while being literally invicible for entire seconds
>repeat
>all you need to ever learn are the bosses but the 3/4th of them ALL act the same

What a shit game. And anyone who hasn't noticed this about HH and is genuinely arguing it has better gameplay must either be a really bad beat em up player, or a sega console warrior
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>>9030362

>the skill ceiling is higher in TiT

Just stop.
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>>9030362
post your hardmode 1cc best time
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Love how they just couldn't keep themselves from littering every track with that orchestra hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM2oRKfMq2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEUS0j-drPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtOFsZk1CX8
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>>9029663
>Turtles in Time and it's not even close
This. There is no debate. I've never even heard of Hyper Stone Heist. Genesisfags will never stop being in denial.
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>Hyperstone making them seethe
Now I like it even more!
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>>9029663
HSH is like a shitty romhack of Turtles in Time.
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>>9029908
Post replay when you get it
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>>9030082
Hopefully they port this at some point soon. You make it sound pretty cool, just like the last guy who posted about it in that collection thread did.
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>>9029663

It's kinda hard to debate this one. Turtles in Time was a port of the arcade game, with some extra levels, some additional bosses as well as a few re-arranged bosses. Hyperstone Heist was basically made out of art assets from the original Arcade game and Turtles in Time. Hyperstone Heist does have one original stage, as well as one new boss not seen in any other Turtles games, as far as I know. It has Tatsu from the first two live action movies. Hyperstone Heist plays well too, looks good, has some nice music. It's a good beat 'em up, overall. Maybe a B+ Turtles in Time SNES would be an A.
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>>9030452
One thing that makes me cringe when playing Heist is the bad, chipmunk voices in comparison to Time's cool and clear ones. I usually like the Genesis ports of arcade games way more, too.
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>>9029745
>The Konami games obviously took the majority of their inspiration from the '87 cartoon, so how come they so often employed the gritty comic book style for their covers?

The earlier 'Ultra Games' releases mostly use art from Mirage Studios or Mirage Studios creates new artwork for the game. Like the original NES Turtles game uses art taken directly from one of the comic book covers. Turtles II on the NES has a cartoon style, and was also art created by Mirage Studios. I think Turtles in Time on the SNES, as well as Hyperstone Heist and even Radical Rescue used art that was created by Konami's own in-house artist. The same artist that did the covers for Contra III and Castlevania IV. Mirage Studios were never strict on branding, They created quite a bit of artwork for cartoon related products that would use the grittier style all the time.
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>>9030458
>>>9030452 (You)
>One thing that makes me cringe when playing Heist is the bad, chipmunk voices in comparison to Time's cool and clear ones. I usually like the Genesis ports of arcade games way more, too.

The Sega Genesis/ MD is all over the place when it comes to audio samples. Konami used their own audio driver for the game. A lot of developers used their own audio drivers, sometimes they could get good results, and sometimes they got scratchy and barely audible voices.
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MY TOE!!
MY TOE!!
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Turtles in Time is one of the best games for SNES. Its so good I wouldn't even be surprised if its many people's favorite beat em up ever. Easily tit for me.
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>>9029663
> TMHT
get this stealth bongshit out of my face, yuropoor
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>>9030687
so play the JP version...
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>>9029745
I dunno, but it looks vaguely like Jim Lawson's art, you stupid dickhead.
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Is any turtles in either game objectively best and worst? In the snes game for example I don't like how Leo has a jump at the end of his combo. Seems really lame as well considering he got two katana's so he should be reaching out with them.
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>>9029663
Why is this even a thread? The arcade version is superior to both of these. Wtf is wrong with you people.
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>>9029663
More interested to hear which of the 16-bit Tournament Fighters is the best one.
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>>9030883
t. hasn't played any of the versions
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Is this gonna be another one of those aladdin cases where the snes version is clearly superior but segatards try to cope by claiming otherwise? You're not fooling anyone still
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>>9030958
superior doesn't mean anything
it doesn't make it more fun
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>>9030362
>Yeah the controls in HH are tighter and more responsive and the hit detection is better, but literally everything else is better in TIT.
I have no horse in this race but that sounds like a pretty huge deal for a beat em up. This almost reads like a falseflag, kek.
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>>9029663
Dude, there is not even a Debate, I like many sega games but snes version for this one is definitive, blame the hardware superiority if you will.

>>9030189
Arcade belong to another layer than 16bit consoles so no comparison is valid.
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>>9030885
That beetle dude looks awesome!
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>>9030958
Segatards DID get the best Aladdin game, but it wasn't the Genesis one...
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>>9029745
>so how come they so often employed the gritty comic book style for their covers?
Because the original TMNT comics are based.
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>>9030885
NES is the definitive version
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>>9029670
>not even Radical Rescue
Top contrarian
This game is boring garbage.
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>>9030958
I have never played HH and went to go see a Speedrun to see whats up. This game was made just for coping Sega fans back in the day sad they had no good TMNT games. Dollar store TMNT beat em up.

But if that's all I had as a kid I would love it - no doubt.
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>>9030885
Why is that the Japanese SNES version of this and the Japanese Gen version of Hyperstone Heist are called different names (Mutant Warriors and Return of the Shredder respectively), despite their console counterparts being called by the normal names? What is the marketing rationale for this?
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>>9030479
>void in Quebec and mexico
kek
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>>9030979

I think it was an attempt at bait, but maybe it was.
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>Hyperstone for Turtles in Time
So another tits vs butt debate
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>>9031537
Why doesn't he just turn around and use his sword on that guard?
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>>9029663
>>9029669
literally the only thing turtles in time has going for it over hyperstone heist is the neat gimmick fight of throwing enemies at the screen. thats it. "but the levels!" each of HH's levels are basically two in one. "but the bosses!" HH bosses have better moves/patterns for any bosses that are shared, and it also gets tatsu. also in regards to shared stages, HH's variations are more interesting and challenging. the elevator sequence is SIGNIFICANTLY better in HH. also HH has tighter and more polished controls, so simply PLAYING it feels better.

literally the only thing TiT has going for it is one stupid gimmick.
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didn't expect HH to be so fun and I've been playing bmups for a long time
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Not gonna lie the new turtles is true to the retro classic turtles and might be best belt scroller of all time even if it's on the long side that being said Manhattan project and Hyperstone are peak
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>>9033335
Tatsu is not a plus point at all, faggot.
Nobody cares about some random bald nobody movie original character, and his boss fight is boring AF since all he does is spawn grunts infinitely while jumping from one side of the screen to the other occasionally shooting projectiles, wow, what a complex pattern.
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>>9029908
>I'm going for Hyperstone hard mode 1cc this week, I'm close I can feel it!
died on shredder
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>>9029663
sovl vs sovless
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>>9033821
that's close
HH is actually pretty tough to 1cc on hard mode even if you abuse dashing/sliding non stop
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>>9029663
>Turtles in Time
>Bootleg Turtles in Time
???
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>>9031271
His name is Sissy
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>>9029663
is this the new aladdin capcom and virgin?
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>>9033681
every boss (except stockman) is 4 hits and then they do an attack and/or move across the screen. your argument is invalid.
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>>9034153
They are still more complex than fucking POS Tatsu, you turbococksucker
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>>9029908
>>9033821
>>9033878
is it just a sign that i played it too much as a kid, that the only way it was remotely challenging is if it was on hard? i used to 1cc it all the time.
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>>9034159
considering how they arent very complex at all either, you're not really making much of a point. "all of these cookies have 6 chocolate chips, but this one only has 5, so it fucking SUCKS" thats how you sound. you're complaining about a giant nothing. tatsu fight isnt a bonus because of any sort of difficulty/complexity, its because its fucking cool.
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>>9034173
what's cool about the game's most braindead pattern and the shitty minor movie character? Absolutely nothing
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>>9029858
/thread
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>>9034167
But did you 1cc it with the "bad" characters? Don't remember the stats but like Raph was the strongest if I remember correctly.
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Hypestone Heist fails because it has Rocksteady, but not Bebop.

How do you fuck that up?
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>>9033335
anon HH is fine but you'll never convince anyone that it's better than the classic Turtles in Time.
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>>9034184
lmao you arent a fan. your opinion is worthless.
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>>9034263
honestly, thats a good question. as a kid i always liked raphael the best anyway, and i definitely played him the most. while i know that the ranges for other characters were longer, i think raph had more speed or something? im not sure if that influenced my old decisions or not. its been too many years.
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>>9029745
>The Konami games obviously took the majority of their inspiration from the '87 cartoon, so how come they so often employed the gritty comic book style for their covers?

I don't think Konami was designing the game after the show at all. I think they were mostly pulling from the toy line, because the toyline was directly tied to the show 90% of the time, though Playmates had rights to make toys from other TMNT related properties like the movies. Though they did use music themes from the show. Even characters like Tokah and Razar had movie tie-in Playmates figures, and they were in both Turtles in Time for the arcade and SNES. Though moved to the Technodrome for the SNES game. But also, the game did come out the same year as the second movie. I also think Konami used the Playmates toyline to just model all the characters. Like it was easier for their pixel artists to just model from a bunch of toys that they had in the office for the games?
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>>9030406
>get laughed at
>"h-heh s-seething much?"
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>>9033821
Shredder is a bitch with those auras and weird hitbox
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>>9036006
sounds like a you problem if you think that
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>>9036006
WhY laugh?
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>>9035963
>N-n-nooooo! He's not a shitty lame character! Only true fans appreciate him!

Pathetic faggot
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>>9036278
You arent laughing you are seething
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>>9030687
The British name is objectively more correct. The turtles never did any assassinating or spying, but they were plenty heroic.
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>>9037313
>spying from the sewer
>practicing ninjitsu
>>not ninjas
Why the cope?
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>>9035993

Slash from the SNES game looked nothing like the cartoon version. But it did look exactly like the toy sculpt. I think the Konami artists had a bunch of Playmates TMNT toys when modelling the sprites.
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>>9032484
TiT is literally tits. HH is ass.
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>>9029663
TiT is better there aren't many that will say Hyperstone heist is better. HH however is a solid version and unique, so it's worth playing and deserves more people to try it out.

The real debate is TiT SNES vs TiT Arcade. I'd go with the SNES version but can't say I'm not jelly over the better looking arcade version. I'd hope someone made a romhack of the arcade version with all the SNES extra content.
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>>9037332
You're just another butthurt amerikkkan who can't see the British superiority in front of your eyes.
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https://youtu.be/wUOoLOkZzew
https://youtu.be/xjj5DATea3Q
https://youtu.be/GVOiTxIqFpg
https://youtu.be/PEmrSM6N7L8
https://youtu.be/XTWCnjyJmqo
https://youtu.be/5542dslu93Y
https://youtu.be/BfTrejmnbYo
https://youtu.be/b7j7vtuhdEA

How the FUCK was the Konami soundtracks so kino
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can't believe turtles and streets have saved and rekindled the Belt Scroll Em Up genre once and for all

>>9037502
fire
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>>9037923
I was kind of lukewarm on it but now I got the hang of it and yes it's S-tier.
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>>9037347
Regardless of some wanker needlessly coping, typically I think Brits are based and should retake this country immediately (while abiding by our Bill of Rights). They made great games. Most of continental Europe is extremely gay now, however.
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Got my Hyperstone hardmode 1CC with Ralph, was tight and fun, gonna try some other characters and then TiT 1cc
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>>9038772
>Ralph
it's raph lmao
and post replay
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>>9029663
I really like the dedicated run button on hsh but overall I'll go with tit
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>>9038772
>>9038321
wew
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>>9037345
I've said it before. HH is more challenging, has faster gameplay and more responsive controls. I prefer those things more than presentation/aesthetics that TiTs does better
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What really kills HH is the repetitive nature of it. Levels drag on way too long and it doesn't have enough variety to engage for that period of time. By the time you finish level one in HH you'd gone through THREE levels in TiT, including bosses and one stage which is a pure surfboard level.

This might had been fine if HH did something interesting with its runtime, but these sections just drag on with a lot of padding that just goes on without interesting nuance. They don't give you any interesting combination of enemies or hazards that mix up your gameplay, its just endless corridors of foot soldier mooks. It ends up feeling cheap rather than engaging.
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>>9040058
Sounds like you got filtered around stage 1. Best to try again and if you ever beat normal try hard.
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>>9040058
you didnt actually play the game (or at least not beyond the first level), nor do you like arcade beat-em-ups, which is clear from what you consider to be a problem, and also the fact that you're extremely incorrect in your second part. if you deny this, then you must explain how the statements in part 2 dont also apply to TiT. the problem is you cant, because you didnt actually play the game, and you're just a shitposting faggot, lol. cope, seethe, and get owned.
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>>9040768
>>9040352
based actual players.
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Hyperstone Heist is like a dollarstore knock off Turtles in Time. Truly horrible pacing in that one. Walk forward two inches, fight four foot soldiers, repeat twenty times before the level is over. The game actually has a boss rush that takes place in a reskin of a previous level for maximum padding.
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>>9041591
> horrible pacing in that one. Walk forward two inches, fight four foot soldiers
>constant action is bad in a beat em up
lel shitter cope
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>>9041609
Doing the same thing over and over when it isn't particularly interesting or difficult is bad.
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>>9040768
Wow ,5 buzzwords tacked on to the end of your post. I bet your a real fountain of original thought.
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>>>/f/3484613
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>>9041613
post your no death hardmode run then
oh you can't even 1cc it lmao
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>>9041698
The game is too boring to warrant one.
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>>9041623
welcome to 4chan, newfag. i accept your concession and the fact that you have no actual argument.
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>>9041591
>Walk forward two inches, fight four foot soldiers, repeat twenty times before the level is over
explain how this is different from TiT, or really any other game of the genre.
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>>9041702
yeah cause you suck and get wrecked by foot soldiers.
git gud or get out
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>>9041739
The length of each level and the lack of anything interesting happening in them in Hyperstone.
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>>9041758
it's interesting when you stop sucking
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How do I consistently grab enemies on both tit and hh?
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>>9041758
levels are broken up into parts. longer levels before free heals means higher difficulty. overall game time remains equivalent. speedrun time is only a ~5min difference. your adhd doesnt make the game worse, it just means you suck as a human being. if you arent interested in playing a game, thats a you problem. stages have interactables to launch at enemies, as well as hazards to face. there are just as many enemy variants in both games, though perhaps more foot types in HH. "lack of anything interesting happening" and yet you fail to present any examples of how TiT makes "something interesting happen" in opposition. you have presented no actual argument.
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>>9041850
hit once to make them flinch, step forward, attack again while they are flinching, this lets you throw them. even easier, run and shoulder bash them, this should make them flinch and also put you close enough that your first attack press will occur when you are close enough and automatically grab them.
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>>9041906
>longer levels before free heals means higher difficulty
It means higher boredom more than anything.
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>>9029663
hyperstone Heist is a fun game, but it pales in comparison to Turtles in Time
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>>9041914
final stage and last 2 bosses don't have any heal items on hard, you should play the game instead of tryhard shitposting about it
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>>9037345
Playing TiT after HH feels like trash to be honest, since so many important moves are stuck to the run button and TiT has no run button you have to mash manual run constantly to get anything off and it's cumbersome, inputs get lost its not accurate or speedy
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>>9042079
They're both great HH handles better for sure but Turtles in Time still one of best bmups
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>>9041914
>if i dont get a new background and a boss fight every 60 seconds, its too boring and im going to throw a tantrum
lmao you dont even like playing games.
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>>9042079
quality analysis
>>9041970
>>9042127
nostalgia glasses causing denial.
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I really like the TMNT PS2 game, I played it last year and had a lot of fun.
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>>9029663
>Turtles in Shite
>Hyper Shit Heist
>>9029670
>Fall of the Shit Clan
>>9031951
>Return of the Shitter
Get fucked
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>>9029663
Why do they look so pissed at that miniature city?
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>>9035993
That is literally the Big Core from Gradius, and Konami recognized it as such when they used it as a boss in TiT.
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>>9043479
talked shit about splinter
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>>9029778
>my life in gaming
Post disregarded
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>>9042547
>nostalgia glasses causing denial
Funny enough I just got into Turtles games this year cause if Shredders Revenge
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They are both literally the same game you fucking retards!!!
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>>9029956
>>TiT
haha :)
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>>9029669
Thread shows many (most?) players prefer HH tho



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