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WHO
THE
FUCK
DECIDED TO SWAP X AND O?!
IN WHAT WORLD IS X A SYMBOL TO CONFIRM
AND O TO DENY?!
I just want to throw that motherfucker down the stairs ONCE! JUST ONCE!
I can emulate and swap the buttons on the PS TV to confirm with O on PSOne games, but any other gen beyond that i have to do the mental gymnastic again and get not-used to it
Not to mention that not in every game it swaps the ingame function of those two inputs.
Anybody got a good workaround for this problem america has brought upon us?
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Stop being a gay autistic retard, that's your solution
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The PS1 was a mistake, sony did to the video game industry what microsoft did to operating systems
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8355673
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>>8355673
so uhm.... are you american?
BROOOO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH O PLEASE
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>>8355675
lol
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What the fuck even was the reasoning for this originally?
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>>8355668

Why wouldn't x be a confirm?
When you check a box you typically do it with x.
I think you interpret it as crossing through something, but as a symbol I would more ask myself what a circle has to do with accepting/ confirming.
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>>8355668
The Japanese layout always felt better to me,changing it creates a lot of confusion
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>>8355726
>An X mark (also known as a cross, cross-mark, x, or ex) is used to indicate the concept of negation (for example "no, this has not been verified", "no, that is not the correct answer" or "no, I don't agree")
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>>8355726
X is almost universally the symbol for crossing something out though. You use a checkmark for "checking" a box.
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Most PS1 games I played made Triangle the cancel button...
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>>8355726
look at pic.
which of these symbols do people usually hold up to confirm something or give you a positive feedback?
Also on japanese playstation consoles you usually confirm with O. Someone in america thought it would be funny to swap that for the western audience.
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>>8355747
In most cultures circle has no meaning on its own while cross is used to note something, regardless if its positive or negative. Without a proper checkmark button cross makes sense as a "confirm" button.
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>>8355762
circles usually represent wholeness or completeness, not a stretch from an affirmative.
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>>8355762
Cross only makes sense as confirm if you're putting it inside a little box. And even then a checkmark would be better.
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>>8355668
X marks the spot.
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>>8355668
>swap
When were they ever the other way around, retard?
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>>8355668
Snoy was always full of shit
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Blue positive color, red negative color
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>>8355782
You are right, you can use cross as a checkmark. Americans don't use circle as a checkmark though.
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>>8355784
Japanese games like MGS O is confirm
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>>8355764
kek
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>>8355784
from their very fucking origin? Japanese versions of those consoles? You know, the fucking land that made these?
Sony California swapped it in japan too and they are constantly complaining about it and blaming Jim Ryan ever since
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>>8355668
I think I read they made that the worldwide standard now.
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>>8355668
Wrong board zoomed, triangle is cancel not circle.
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>>8355675
Double-based
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>>8355798
>>8355836
They never switched positions, they were always in the same place.
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It's better to rest your thumb on X
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>>8355884
As far as I know, it's not the position in the controller that is swapped, it's the system menu that remapped the buttons, and probably some games remapped them when they were localized. I know this is the case with the PSP, where the Japanese system menu uses a different button mapping than the American system menu.
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>>8355884
man... i'm not gonna throw out some slurs since jannies have been pretty active on this board lately. But just know that i want to call you all sorts of things.

They swapped THE FUNCTION. You confirm in menu's with O and go back or cancel with X. Emulate a japanese version of your favorite playstation game and you'll see what this is all about
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It's one of things like how PUSH START had to be localized to PRESS START; and it really makes me think that this one anon who keeps saying
>localization staff had to come up with something because their job was that sole purpose
has a point at times

if you have no idea what I'm talking about you're too young
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>>8355906
>localization staff goes out of their way to change up norms instead of just solely doing their job and translating to the native language
?
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>>8355839
I never seen that military green dualshock
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>>8355942
Yes, somebody at Sony had to sit and think up of what they had to do to bring the PSX to western audiances.
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Frankly I never saw X and O as symbols as a kid. They were the letters X and O to me. I just thought it was weird they had 2 letters and 2 symbols but since most pads before only had letters, I saw letter; until some game tutorial had to spell it out to me and call it the Cross button.
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>>8355668
X marks the spot and turn around 360 degrees and walk away. Seems pretty simple to me
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>>8355675
>NOOOOOO WHY WOULD YOU PREVENT A NINTENDO MONOPOLY!!!!!
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>>8355956
Yeah, everybody I knew called them ex and oh, not cross and circle
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>>8355743
It's the best way to do it.
>Ex is the closest face-button to you. Triangle is the furthest away
>Eliminates EX/OH OH/EX Confirm/Cancel confusion
>Used by GOAT games on the console such as Smackdown 2, THPS2, Tomb Raider 2, and Gran Turismo 2
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>>8355960
I would be fine if the competition today were between Nintendo, Sega, and Microsoft. I just don't like Sony, doesn't mean I want Nintendo to reign as king.
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Circle wasn't widely used at a Cancel/Back button until PS3, it was almost always Triangle. It wasn't a swap so much as a complete re-arrangement. As for the reasoning behind it, probably overzealous localization for its own sake.
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>>8355968
When I was younger that's just how I thought it was, since most games I played had it that way. I remember being confused when it seemed like most games started doing X/O instead
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Fuck the Japs.
Triangle gang rise up!
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>>8355956
I always said Square, Triangle, and Circle, and Ecks.
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>>8355668
>IN WHAT WORLD IS X A SYMBOL TO CONFIRM
The one your grandfather grew up in. X was used to fill a box on forms. There was no check mark key or wingding font on typewriters.
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>>8356038
There is a O key though...
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A circle on electrical devices normally means off.
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>>8355668
Bro, you have to look down on your controller during gameplay and shit? I just go by tactile feel and muscle memory.

>>8355747
This is not as universal as you think it is.
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>>8356072
That's a 0 and 1.
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>>8356072
>digital logic
>doesn't know 0 (not an O) stands for off and 1 for on
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>>8355668
the MGS games made O the default to select things, so there's that.
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Only thing worse than Sony's assbackwards mapping is the Xbox controller in general. Let's use the exact same buttons as Nintendo, but swap them around for no reason.
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>>8355673
Fpbp. Op is very clearly a transgender Canadian though so there is literally nothing than can stop his gay autism
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OP, the buttons are reversed for menu prompts on all the japanese systems

atleast on the vita
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>>8355668
I was under the impression that the reason why they switched it for americans was that because the X was on the bottom of the diamond and therefore the most likely people will perceive it as the "main" button. Kind of how some early SNES games used "B" as the confirm button and how Xbox placed the A button at the same position.
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>>8356140
and it sucked. After pressing start to get to the main menu, 9 out of 10 first time western players will press x trying to select an option and get dumped back to the title screen.
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>>8356154
genesis used ABC in a row
expanded to ABC on bottom, XYZ on top
dreamcast dropped the rightmost buttons but kept the orientation of AB and XY
xbox copied dreamcast
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>>8356182
good. eat shit, the game is too hard for you
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>>8356185
I wish they kept the 6 button layout. the Dreamcast controller sucks balls for fighting games.
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they thought cross was more comfortable to rest your thumb on so it should be the confirm button.
SCEJ considered this in development and in fact made prototype controllers with circle and cross physically swapped.
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>>8355890
>>8356208
that's an interesting take since i usually rest my thumb on the center which i presumed had that empty spot for exactly that intention
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>>8355673
/thread
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>>8356154
Sega and later Microsoft's layout makes so much more sense.
Hate when I play some nintendie game and the letters are backwards.
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>>8356103
>>8356120
Sorry zoomers, but it has always been defined as circle and line.
https://webstore.iec.ch/preview/info_iec60417_DB.pdf
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>>8356072
>>8356120
It means closed and open circuit you retards
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>>8355960
>32X monopoly
fixed
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>>8356072
which is fucking retarded because a circle is a closed circuit
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>>8356440
Wait till you get a load of this bad boy with two open circuits.
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>>8356405
No it hasn't.
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>>8356465
Oh, and inb4
>that's not a line in a circle it's a ten!
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Sega Saturn had it right

B: Back
C: Choose
A+B+C+Start = reset machine during gameplay.
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>>8355668
Labels on the buttons doesn't matter to me. I regularly swap between playstation and non-playstation controllers all the time without any issue. Labels don't matter, just the relative position.
The only exception being Nintendo stuff, because of how A/B and X/Y are reversed compared to the standard. Always find that incredibly annoying. And even SNES, despite being the first to use ABXY, has most of its games instead using B/Y as the main inputs. So even they knew that the nintendo-style A/B position was retarded.
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>>8355981
>Triangle gang rise up!

"You rang, boss?"
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>>8356405
That's just a facade to pretend that it's just two generic geometric shapes without any meaning that would be deemed """euro-centric"""
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This was only a problem in early games for the system and the Final Fantasy ones. Every other game ever on the thing used either triangle or circle to go back. Even then, it was hardly a new thing to have circle confirm and x deny. The SNES has a load of games that do that, mainly RPGs
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>>8355668
The whole system is fucking stupid. There's no logical order to random shapes and symbols. Sony is so fucking dumb. So FUCKING dumb.
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>>8356675
(Y0u) win the award for m0st niche c0pe in the hist0ry 0f this imageb0ard.
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>>8356657
A and C were interchangeable confirm buttons in most games.
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>>8356756
>A and C were interchangeable confirm buttons in most games.

True.

A= Advance
B= Back
C= Choose
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>>8356768
I thought it was
A - Acquiesce
B - Bail
C - Consent
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>>8356825
I thought it was
A - Asshole
B - Bussy
C - Cunt
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>>8356848
A - Anti-B
B - Bee
C - Cocking shit what does this fucking button do again?!
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>>8356049
Do I have to draw you a picture of what a square filled with a O looks like?

>>8356103
>>8356120
zoom zoom
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>>8355747
I’d argue blue is good and red is bad.
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>have japanese psvita slim
>circle is confirm in menus
>x is confirm in games
I fucking suffer
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>>8355960
>doesn't mention nintendo at all
>could have just as easily been a sega fan or whatever the fuck else
>start screeching about nintendo fans
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>>8355668
>WHO
>THE
>FUCK
>DECIDED TO SWAP X AND O?!
>IN WHAT WORLD IS X A SYMBOL TO CONFIRM
>AND O TO DENY?!
That would be the Japanese.
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>>8357220
Well shit, someone in the same boat I am in. I did not realize my Vita was imported when I ordered it, so it was a pain in the ass when I use it due to muscle memory. Amusingly enough my PS TV is normal, so going from Vita to that is fucking irritating.
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>>8355726
no, when you CHECK a box you use a CHECK mark
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>>8357283
???
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>>8356185
neat
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>>8355668
they really should have made the circle blue and the x red just to hammer it home for those amerilards
that or they just didnt want to copy nintendo too much
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>>8356185
>>8357716
i have been saying this for years, i didnt think anyone else thought this way too
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>>8357716
Man, just imagine the Dreamcast shipping with 6 face buttons, a better D-pad, and a second stick, instead of that shit they decided to go with.
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>>8357838
You may be onto something here. The colours might be the reason for the change. As noted before ITT, a lot of people didn't see symbols but letters; in which case that only leaves the colours
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>>8355668
Some retarded American. Not kidding.
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>>8355775
Circles are often used to represent 0 on switches and electronics meaning off
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>>8355943
Yeah, I find it very difficult to find genuine DS3 and DS4s now. They have become a rare sight for me. I'm still unhappy I was unable to afford the Goku orange and gunmetal grey ones.
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>>8355943
I played Tekken with one like that on a convention once. They pop up online from time to time, too.
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>>8358163
Let it go, dude.
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>>8357220
>>8357321
well, that's exactly why i fucking hate this. Fuck america
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>>8357220
>>8357321
If you softmod your vitas you can swap the confirm/cancel buttons
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This board is eternally lost to zoomers and normalfags (both don't actually play games). Circle is confirm and Triangle is cancel/go back.
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Eurofag here.

We use X to check a box or whatever, the "checkmark" is strictly anglo shit.
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i prefer the japanese layout, but switching back and forth doesn't usually fuck me up unless i switch between different versions of the same game, or on modern playstations if the system menus are different from the game i'm playing.
i started out thinking the japanese layout was annoying, but i wanted to get a japanese vita as my second vita, so i swapped them on my western vita to get used to it.
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>>8355675
extremely based
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>>8355668
Mutts always have to ruin everything for Europe...
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>>8355668
check the box below to make your selection
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>>8360103
x-celerate or stop sign?
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>>8359007
A checkmark doesn't even make sense. What's the point of a box if you're going to go outside of it?
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>>8355668
america only cares about button position, symbols don't matter
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The button that falls directly under your thumb should be confirm. No one care's about Japan's weird pictorial languages.
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>>8360514
The affirmation is so affirmative it needs to go out of the box
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X means confirmation for americans. You check a box on a form with an X and if you can't write your name in English, you use an X to sign the form validating it. A cross is also used for aiming a gun. And a cross symbolizes the way of Christ or the right way to live.

X - advance/choose/validate/this is right
O - go back/do not choose/invalidate/this is wrong
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>>8361939
Are you American? There's no way you think X means yes in America. It's universally the sign of no/you fucked up/I made a mistake, etc
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The 90s were X-treme dude
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>>8361959
It doesn't mean "yes". It means "advance rightly" or "decide". If the game gives you a yes or no option, you can pick either with X.
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>>8355668
If you're a teacher grading papers the x is to show something that isn't wrong but needs a note to it and then o is to circle something that is

So it does make sense in a way
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>print stickers, one with circle, another with X
>stick the X on circle and circle on X
>alternatively open the controller and swap them
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>>8361928
And that's O on all DualShocks and PSP.
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>Draw a circle around something you want
>Draw an X over something you don't want
What's the problem here?
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I agree with you OP, it's imperial system tier of retardation
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>>8355798
It bugs me that they changed it in the HD remake of 2 and 3. But it is not that big of a deal.
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>>8355668
The symbol doesn't matter. What matters is that X is the bottom button which makes it easier to press.
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>>8355956
Same, except I thought it was 3 letters and 1 symbol. Triangle I always thought of as Delta, due to my language, which had me wondering why the fuck they chose a shape as the last button lol
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>>8355675
Meanwhile, in reality, the PS1 library was the best.
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>>8355691
Several games did that by default, though, and you could remap your controls. Shit thread.
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>>8362156
>>8361959
It's not universal. Most european country cross a box to validate.
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>>8364423
Did you draw a box around a game that you wanted in a catalog and then drew a cross over it as a kid?
Or did you fucking circle it?
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>>8364432
>drawing in catalogs
ape behaviour
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>>8364464
It's just paper, coomlector ape. They cost $5 back in the day.
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Why didn't they just swapped the X and O placement so everyone would be happy?
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>>8361928
Different people rest their fingers on different positions, is the issue with that.
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>>8355972
>>8355981
this lol
it's one of the best shibboleths against zoomies

another good one (since latter post used Burnout as a pic) is to ask them what button the used to press to accelerate in their favorite racing games as a child.
If they say R2/RT, slap 'em over the head.

It was either X, or the right stick if you were "serious".
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>>8357221
Except the Playstation literally exists because of Nintendo's corporate greed and indecisiveness lel
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>>8364464
seethe i used to wipe my ass with those "SUPAH GAYSTATION MAGAZINES" when i didnt have toilet paper
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>>8364502
I used the up arrow.
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>>8364432
Unironically put a cross near the title of the game, you uncultured swine.
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>>8355675
made a far superior product than the competition?
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>>8361885
too fat to care, huh
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>>8361928
this is the retro games board. games were made by the japanese until the lards decided to throw ungodly amounts of cash at the industry to turn it into stupid fucking interactive movies. if “no one cares” about what the japanese did, then what the hell are you doing here, you silly silly cheddarsphere?
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>>8364502
You’re a dumb fuck. Both Saturn and Dreamcast had analog triggers and racing games used them to accelerate/brake. Maybe you’re not a zoomer, but just a dumbass poser in general.
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>>8365620
Your zoom is showing
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>>8365620
>American developed games use X for confirm
>gets standardized because it makes sense
What's the problem?
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>>8364423
My wording was confusing, sorry. I meant "everywhere in America".
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>>8355668
x was always confirm, stupid zoomer
o was in some jap games
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>>8355675
the n64 was shit and lost, get over it
Saturn was good but sega was retarded and nobody wanted to work with them anymore
PS1 was easily the superior console of that era, thank god Sony was there to salvage that gen
same story with 6th gen really



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