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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related. Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

previous thread >>8145934
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anyone got the pic of the hot arcade girl in the thong playing pacman I think? It's made to look like a retro picture but it was taken recently
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>>8195276
Imagine unironically owning this then posting a picture of it for reddit points.
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>>8195276
I have a SpongeBob meme tv with no remote and it's stuck on channel 2

Is it true that there's no hope for me unless I shill out to the remote Jews?
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>>8195328
no universal remotes will work?
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>>8195343
I tried some, but no Emerson codes seem to work
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>>8195346
People that make their remotes proprietary deserve a special place in hell.
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>>8195351
Yeah, I have a really nice Sony Trinitron that I cannot access the service menu for because the display button does not work on any universal remotes I've tried

Truly the worst of the Jewish tricks
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>>8195354
sony remotes pretty much all work with sony tvs from that era
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>>8195360
Fuck. I passed up on a lot of remotes cause a lot of them said DVD or VHS on the bottom of them. I just figured it wouldn't work
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>>8195376
f
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so i wanna try getting crt tv and connect my laptop with emulators to it with hdmi to component cable, is that even real thing. will it add more input delay
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The two important questions are:

1. Is the 1080i resolution of a CRT HDTV enough for shaders to work with?
2. Is the darkening effect of shader effects too strong on the same CRT?

Experiments with my PC CRT at 1600x1200 showed good results with Triad size 1 or 2 in CRT-Royale.
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>>8195276
i unironically want that tv
i have a disney princess pink one closeted as a backup crt ($4)


apple pc crt monitor
colorkill mod +recap
the fact that the white/beige matches my computer setup is a huge plus
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>>8195307
anyone?
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I just want a good computer monitor that isn't too wide, but can play PS1 and N64 games. Everything is so huge, I might as well just get the tiny psOne plug-in screen
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>>8195549
Why are you using crt shaders on a crt?
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Is there a way to combine stereo into a single mono channel? Like if I'm using a TV with just a mono in/out, if a game doesn't have a mono option am I just fucked or is there way to plug in both sound channels?
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>>8196684
why do you think I would want to?
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Hey everyone for the past couple years I have been using a Diamond Pro 2070 SB I found on facebook marketplace for fortunately cheap as my primary monitor with a GTX 1080 TI, using a displayport to VGA adapter, the Delock 62967 and it has worked great. After upgrading to my new card I received today, a MSI RTX 3080 TI, and plugging in with the same adapter I'm finding that periodically, and particularly when the GPU is under load, the entire monitor starts flickering like this for an instant and coming back or less frequently losing signal entirely for just a moment. This never happened at all prior to this upgrade and I'm wondering if anyone knows what could be the cause and how to resolve this?
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>>8197631
First thing to do is just reseat the GPU and all connections.
Then do a driver uninstall and reinstall.
There's a chance that will fix the issue.
If that doesn't work then try your old GPU and see if the issue is still occurring. If it is then it's not the GPU doing it.
If it is the new GPU see if it's doing it on a monitor without the adapter.
If it's not then there's maybe some incompatibility between the GPU and the adapter.
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>rgb
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>>8197684
Composite is the new meme.
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>>8197684
Thank you, every time I see the face I laugh, and it's true, RGB is a meme
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>>8197563
You’re retarded?
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>>8197684
>>8197687
If you haven't played through a game in both you haven't really played it.
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>>8197707
It seems useful if you plan on using upscalers, but I don't know. Sometimes it feels like certain games feel like they're meant for composite and nothing higher, at least for games with pre-rendered backgrounds like Resident Evil.
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>>8197705
Have you considered the possibility that your knowledge of CRTs and shaders is incomplete and has led you to make an erroneous assumption?
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>>8197673
I'll probably try reseating the GPU, really no way to output to these newer cards without the adapter though. I may try a newer adapter and also new vga cable and see if that helps at all
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thoughts about this dude who destroyed a 34 inch trinitron for $13 in copper?
http://scrapforum.com.au/forum/tv-monitor-sound-video/crt-s/sony-crt-s/324-scrapping-a-crt-tv-sony-trinitron-kv-ar34m36
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>>8197868
I see you’re autistic too.
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>>8195549
I had one, and I can tell you if you use a Wii at 480p and something like RetroArch that allows you to use a simple scanline filter, it will achieve authentic-looking 240p.
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>>8198191
For reference, it was a Sony KV-30XS955, one of the SuperFinePitch models.
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>>8197979
You have no LCD monitor to test it with? No television?
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>>8198151
Those people deserve a whole another circle in hell.
Some time ago, I saw two guys carrying a CRT down the sidewalk from my window. They carried it all the way to the dumpster and there was already an old bum waiting for them. They placed the TV on the ground and went away, then the bastard started trying to get his filthy hands inside. Ultimately, he lifted the TV up and threw it on the ground, destroying the back and exposing the insides. He took some wires and coils and went away. All that for a fucking 5 dollars or whatever.
I don't even know what condition the TV was in, but it infuriated me for the whole week. I would probably had intervened and maybe even took the CRT home with me if it worked, but it was 7AM in winter, so I was sleepy as fuck and probably wouldn't get there before it got destroyed.
Thanks for reading my blog.
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Did some recapping, first time putting it back together and firing up, still collapsing vertically...
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>>8198341
I haven't recapped everything on the deflection board yet, but I'm suspecting it's the IC at this point
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>>8198341
vertical collapse could be a bad vertical output transistor or whatever, could also be a bad resistor somewhere,watch randy fromms videos on youtube
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>>8198341
recapping on the deflection board?
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>>8198281
>>8198151
How are these people so retarded? Do they not realize the TV could get them an easy hundred bucks on Facebook market or craigslist?
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>>8198648
They're probably of the belief that if it's an old tube TV, nobody will want it. They probably only want 4K smart TVs, and think anything else is junk.
That unfortunately puts more pressure on preserving CRTs though. Forget the race to preserve PVMs, even regular CRTs are at risk.
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>>8197442
Yes there's a adapter with two inputs for left and right audio that plugs then in mono audio. Just don’t know what it’s called right now.
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>>8198696
What does that actually do? The TV still only has one speaker.
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>>8198641
I call it that just as a word I've heard around but it may mean something specific I don't know. This is how the service manual describes it
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>>8198151
My thoughts are that's a thread from 2013. The CRT meme hadn't taken hold yet and that TV was worth dick all in 2013.
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>>8198738
Eh, back then they could have gotten probably $30-40 at least, much more than $5 copper scraps
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>>8198701
Stereo sound will split sounds between speakers, so only playing left or right track makes you miss some sound
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>>8198754
But is it normal for mono input TVs to have two speakers? I'm not that anon, but I would assume they just have one, otherwise they would have a stereo input. My TV has a mono and only has one speaker, though my audio goes through a receiver instead.

If it combined both channels into a mono signal, that'd be pretty cool
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>>8198737
no I meant did you recap the deflection board?before I read that you said you didn't
but most vertical collapse is caused by that first from what I've read
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>>8198648
>>8198281
>>8198151
read the dates dudes, they weren't worth that price back then
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>>8198781
Just because they didn't go for meme prices doesn't mean they went for under $13
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>>8198751
PVMs could be found for like 15 dollars back then. You had to pay people to remove your 32 in and up TVs.
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>>8198798
I could get a 36 inch trinitron for free today.
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>>8198151
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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>>8198826
Give it to me then
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>>8198826
I'm so sick of this meme. Where do you people live that they're giving out free tvs on every corner?
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>>8198978
Not that anon but I'm in the US, north GA and literally just called a local broadcast studio and they had two 14" PVM's (14m4u) that they straight gave me. Even wheeled them out on an AV cart so I could put them in my car. Both in great shape

That was a couple years ago though
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>>8198798
2013 was well before CRTs became popular again
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>>8198191
Very good to know, and I think even better results could be done with fine tweaking of the shaders to use faint void lines that will blend in with the raster lines via the natural bloom of the real CRT at 480p.
With 1080i you'd have multiple lines per virtual raster line to work with to vary amplitude based on pixel brightness. I just worry about combing artifacts.
If I could just get my PC CRT to display an interlaced resolution.
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>>8199123
I get that. That doesn't mean a 36" TV is going for under $13. I'm not denying that retards just threw them away or gave them to family members for nothing, but if you went into a thrift or pawn shop, those TVs were not selling for $13, even then. Even at the lowest demand price back then somebody pawning that TV could have gotten more money than those scrappers.
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>>8199152
There's shaders that emulate interlacing.
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>>8199173
Might be worth experimenting with but I'd have to layer them properly for the effect to work the way it needs to. Hmm.
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>>8199173
I wouldn't advise it if you use an IPS display
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>>8198341
Some more things to check are supply voltage to the IC and check the diodes as well. After that just swap out the IC - happens more often than you think.
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>>8198978
Got this for free a few months ago on faceberg. Just have to check often and be patient.
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Not the best CRTs but I have my setup in a smallish closet
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>>8199642
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>>8198978
I'm in one of the larger cities in Poland. I just checked and there are easily a few dozens of CRTs on my local Craigslist equivalent for up to ~$25. Didn't even bother to look on FB marketplace, but I'm sure I'd find a lot too.
Sure, some of them are pretty crap, but you can find many Trinitrons and other good tubes as well.
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>>8198978
I'm here in Los Angeles and I still routinely see TVs out on the corner every saturday morning, out in the valley
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Anyone here using or having experience with a CRT beamer?
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>>8199808
>meme angeles
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>>8199415
Thanks for the info. The previous owner said he shorted it out by messing with the pots with a metal screwdriver is when it happened, if that's any indication of what might have died first.
>>8198779
Ah, what I meant was I've recapped some of the board, all the biggest caps, caps that looked suspicious, and caps along the vertical drive circuit. I have most caps for the board although I ordered the wrong ones for the .47mf of which there's like 18 so I'll need to get new ones of those to do the full recap. But so far I've tested every cap I've taken off and they are all functioning, and there are no clearly failed caps, so my intuition is saying it's not the caps
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>>8199964
>CRT beamer

wat
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I love this little guy like you wouldn't believe
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>>8200534
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>>8198237
Works fine with displayport to my 4k TV
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here ya go /crt/ on the house
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>>8199986
THE PISS INCARNATE
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>>8200289
Projector my bad.
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>>8198648
methheads destroy tons of working or fixable electronics for the copper because they're retards.
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>>8200534
you're a massive virgin but I gotta admit that's a nice looking setup
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>>8199669
chrono trigger?
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>>8200534
Whats your pvm on? Is it a 14 inch?
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>>8201017
no that's secret of mana
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>>8198826
Forget the TV, there are very valuable parts inside like the yoke and flyback, and that scrapper cuts off the wires, rendering it useless
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>>8198172
Dude I literally am the My Life in Gaming guy
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>work at faggy bestbuy
>someone brings in a Sony Trinitron
>"its just old and no one wants it lol"
>can't ask him to just leave it outside cause it was raining
>gets trashed
Fuck me on top of that bullshit job
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>>8199790
I've looked many times on ebay, gumtree, and facebook marketplace. There are some crts and I have one already but no giant free sony trinitrons like everyone on here claims exists on every corner of every city.
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>>8201273
it's ok to get electronics wet, just dry them bro
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>>8201172
It's on a laptop stand I nicked from work. And yeah it's 14", which is the perfect size for a desk setup IMO
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>>8201328
Knowing my luck it would of shorted out the whole damn thing even after days of drying. Plus this was at the start of my shift, so I couldn't go on lunch right away to stash it in my car. Next time I will though.
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>>8201275
>gumtree
ah, are you an ausiefag? Australia had a very aggressive crt recycling program at the end of the lifecycle so I suspect the market is a lot more sparse there. To counter this, though, you're so close to Japan that you have a heavy concentration of rare and nice CRTs
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>>8201335
Nice, I got one recently myself. Been trying to find a sturdy stand to bring it to eye level and keep a console underneath it
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So has the ship sailed for small TVs with component? I don’t want a PVM so that’s my holy grail, still enjoying my 32 incher tho
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>>8201564
there are still small late-gen 13" toshibas and trinitrons around
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Got meself a tiny color tv from 1991, only cost me 20 dollars from some Mexican thrift store in Fort Worth.
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>>8201415
You could do what I did and just make a really simple stand out of wood.
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This tv don’t work so good no more :(
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>>8201820
Are there any other issues beyond that weird bar at the top?
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>>8199161
Pawn shop in my area pretty much dont take crt since flat tv were in most peoples home.
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>>8201564
Recently got a 15" toshiba with component for 25 bucks on facebook marketplace.
Got it from an old man who said it was barely used,its a flat screen crt tho but i dont get the hate i enjoy this tv a lot.
So yea just keep your eyes on local ads website and most of all dont search for crt but just tv.
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Saw a Batman tv, didn’t bother buying ir
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>>8199642
just an fyi, those acoustic pads don't deaden sound. i can't think of any other reason why you'd have those in your gaming closet unless it doubles as a recording studio.
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>>8200794
the fuck are those monitors? have i just never seen a monitor high end enough to warrant looking as long as a xenomorph head?
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My PVMeme1953MD cost me 60 bucks a few years back, been real happy with it
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>>8202419
Whoops, forgot pic
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Got this 14" Trinitron for $7. Works great with MISTer
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>>8202054
I think these may have had S-video inputs, or possibly inputs for SVHS players? I forget. Either way I would have grabbed it probably.
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Hello bros. I just scored a Sony PVM-9045QM off Facebook marketplace for free (pic related). Anything I should know? They said it was working but I can't connect anything to it yet. When I turn it on I get a red, blue, and green stripe at the top of the screen. Nothing else. If I toggle the 16:9 switch it will disappear and reappear. Is it broken? I ordered some BNC to RCA adapters off ebay fingers crossed it works.
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Anyone know if this would be worth getting?
Literally no details though but it looks small
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>>8202686
Looks 20-27 inchs, like 40-90 lbs
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>>8202686
Hello fellow aussie bro. Depends on how far is it to go pick it up and how much the price is. That model doesn't look like anything special though. If it's free, close by and you want a CRT may as well grab it. You can always advertise it for free and get rid of it when you find a nicer one. Personally I choose to hold out and only go for Trinitrons. If I'm going to store a big ass CRT may as well be a Sony. (Then again I've been called elitist.)
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>>8202108
Crt monitors are usually that long, it’s just those have a weird curve at the top that makes them look longer.
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>>8202696
It’s only about 5km away
But I already have a 28” one that uses every connection and looks nice, I was just wondering cos I heard Mitsubishis have a nice looking screen
It’s 10 bucks
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>>8202008
That’s just from the way I took the picture. There was no bar.

On the other hand, this TV is very dim, which is its biggest problem.
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>>8196534
>>8195307
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>>8202748
>dim
Try turning up the G2 pot before you turn it
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>>8202757
Turf it*
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Working on an rgb mod on a svideo only Sony. This is like my 5th one I did. Got this shit down to a science
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Will it look stupid if I use my flat-screen consumer 27" Trinnny in a DIY cocktail table? The only advantage I can think of is it will be far easier to create the bezel. I don't want it to look like an LCD mail order basedcade though
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>>8203173
Correction: basedcade, not basedcade
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>>8203176
God damnit
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>>8203173
Who would even know. How would it look silly?
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>>8197684
this is the best image this board has ever produced
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>>8203173
The only problem that I know of is if you get a TN panel, it will look like shit from different angles
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>>8203190
It's not an LCD. It's a CRT with a flat screen i.e. the front of the tube is a plane. See pic related
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>>8203184
Don't want it to look like an LCD at first glance. Not good at visulizing this stuff in my head
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>>8203198
I see, the only perceived issues might be geometry and weight
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gave away my trinitron early in the 2010s, my friend used it for like a year and then dumped it ;_; regret that decision
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>>8203281
At least you learned an important lesson, your friend is unfortunately a normalfag and was probably never gonna make it or only did it because it was trendy. It always sucks though that the most important lessons are the most painful
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>>8203173
Go with the option that has the highest chance of you actually completing the thing.
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>>8195549
>crt royale
just use tvout+interlacing dumbo
default values are noticeably darker, but if you adjust gamma and saturation you can regain most of the brightness
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I need an S-Video switcher that doesn't cause sync issues on bright images.
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Just landed a deal for a 25" profeel from an old couple, picking up tomorrow. I don't need it I have too many TVs already but my autism can't pass up a cheap interesting set
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>>8200534
what are you connecting to the pvm? and how?
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i havea ferguson with built in dvd, so fairly newer crt, its great for ps2 which is what I use it for. Ps2 on CRT looks better than PS2 emulated upscaled to HD.
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>>8203173
>27" Flat Trinitron
>Cocktail cab
Jesus fuck, that thing's going to weigh like 500 pounds
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>>8203583
Sony SB-V40S
4 in, 1 out. Should be ~$20 or so on ebay. Double check the listing to verify it's got the s-video ports on the back, I've see some SB-V40 erroneously listed as the former which lack s-video support.
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>>8203648
There's a PS1 right underneath it anon. And with a SCART cable I imagine.
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>>8203672
My 32" trini is only 160 lbs so a 27" shouldn't be so bad. Plus that's the size known for being the max one person can move on their own.
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>>8203526
>just use tvout+interlacing dumbo
I have tried this and it did not produce results superior to CRT-Royale + TV + Interlacing.
The frequently posted suggestion to use a superwide resolution + "a simple scanline filter" is outdated imo.
2048x1536 or even higher resolutions give more resolution per simulated raster line to work with allowing you to simulate screen types which range further away from the natural look of a PC CRT.
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>>8203765
Have you seen that video of Retrotech moving a 36" inch JVC set on his own? Dude is a unit.
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>>8202686
If you want another one, go for it. The price is fair. It looks to be a midsize and Mitsubishi's do tend to be good.
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>>8202696
Don't fall for the Sony meme, every CRT made after the 2000 and some from the late 90's should look amazing, and some even better than the trannytrons, if you see a curved one with component\s-video that's the best you are going to find.
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What is the correct way to play dos era games on a VGA PC monitor? Are those games supposed to have scanlines or be blurred to blend the graphics?
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>>8204207
Aperture Grille >>>> everything else.
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Never heard of this brand, thoughts?
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>>8204327
nah
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>>8204363
Silver and curved, ifit has component is it may be worth it,
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>>8204363
If it has component it's a decent generic flat CRT.
Would be a good candidate for a MAME cab.
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>>8204363
It's a Best Buy specific TV, kinda like how Onn is Walmart's brand.
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>>8204389
Cope
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>>8204392
Thanks. How are Magnavox TVs? I saw another offer for one
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>>8202832
Finished image, I really gotta learn how to take good pictures of my crt
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>>8202753
similar but this one is more modern and in an arcade
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>>8204363
thats best buy's in house brand
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>>8204392
>it's a decent generic flat CRT.

bro...
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>>8204491
How do you know if a CRT is modeable or not? I have an old Sanyo that is composite and RF only that I'm very fond of and has a very cool look to it that I would like to improve.
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>>8203861
you've never seen crt tv outside of super zoomed images on the internet have you
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>>8201341
That would explain why they're hard to find. How would I get a good crt from Japan?
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>>8204990
>>8201341
I would highly recommend not importing a tv crt from japan in Oz, crt's are made to work in either the northern or south hemisphere specifically, you cannot take them into the opposite and have them work correctly, the coils are wound differently.
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>>8204491
its not possible to take pictures of CRT, dont bother, will never look good. looks nothing like it does person.
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>>8204626
okay almost flat
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thank you to whoever told me that my crt image was stretched, i set it to 4:3 and now the hit recognition works much better
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On some levels, every CRT is RGB moddable. Some are easier then other. The late curved Sonys are an example of sets that are super easy to do and it's well documented. What's the model of your CRT?

>>8205637
Just spent an hour with my Sony A6000 and couldn't get a shot of my TV looking the way I wanted.
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This is how I wire up my RGB mods, the added RCA outs are for audio.
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>>8204949
Try it yourself.
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>>8206512
https://smallpdf.com/result#r=3cd80b20db234244a2bd63277bc562e0&t=share-document

Here is the Service Manual, the one i have in particular is a Sanyo CLP-2143, I already have a decent component one but i would like to have this one for Vertical games.
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>>8207840
Link not working for me, just post model number
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>>8208087
>Sanyo CLP-2143
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>>8208367
Ohh shit, dunno how I missed that the first time. About to get some sleep but when I wake up ill check the wiring diagram and let ya know what ya need to do.
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I've never played lightgun games before, because my family moved to a rural city with no arcades before I was a teenager and I'd never even seen them in Australian game shops, but I got a Guncon 1+2 set with their original boxes coming for only $50
Hope my 20" BVM doesn't cramp the experience too much, but I'm really looking forward to this.
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>>8208713
enjoy anon, emulation is great and all but the feeling of a plastic gun in your hand can't really be emulated. it feels good to have the real thing
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Looks like I just missed a batch of the newer HDMI mod for n64. What does that retail for? The page just says sold out, they're on ebay in the upper 200s.
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>>8209904
Why would you need one when you obviously have a CRT to plug it into if you're in this thread?
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>>8209983
maybe he's got an HD CRT and plays the like...two games with anamorphic 16:9.
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Not bad for being picked up off the side of the road. This thing had been sitting outside for like two weeks. I’m giving it to a friend who has been wanting a CRT for a while now.
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>>8210045
you play online, kirb?
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>>8210068
Yeah, I use Nintendont's BBA emulation feature.
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>>8195354
>>8195360
>>8195376
>>8195381
LMAO
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>>8210045
That's a decent tube if it's scratch free. CRT's are pretty tough. Just don't power them on when they're wet. Let them dry for a good while before testing them out if they got wet. Worst thing for a CRT is a scratch on the glass. Can't fix that.
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>>8209983
capture. I don't know where else to post, but I guess it's pointless anyway since rgb is very close.
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>>8210345
if it was one of the mods with de-blur image processing it would be better than just RGB.
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>>8203616
Off the bat looks pretty good, I roughly got the contrast and focus together but I'll need to do some convergence and geometry. The chassis is immensely heavy but an absolute treat to open up, it's a feat of engineering
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All the crts in my area under 100$ on craigslist were bought within a week and there haven't been any new postings for months.
I get the impression that someone around here is hording them for some reason.
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>>8201760
Thats what I'm looking for atm. Something very small.
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>>8208432
Nice thanks, let me know if you can'tt find the service manual. I can upload it to another place.
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>>8211571
Haven't had a chance to look but I will, been slammed at work. I'm a nurse and the wuflu rush is never ending anymore
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This is vomit inducing.
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>>8212062
You sound ridiculous typing that.
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>have 7-9 20" broadcast monitors
>get most for free or less than $100 each
>haven't used one in months
>thinking about selling some off
>pretty sure I'll never be able to get any again
Also, I live in los angeles but will probably be moving east in the next year. Are monitors more valuable in smaller cities and/or outside of Southern California?
I might hold on to them and drag them across the country if theyre like 50% more valuable.
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>>8210707
Well, can the gameshark codes and IPS patches used for de-blur give the same result as that? Or is there extra magic going on in the hardware mod?
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>>8212608
Extra magic, they're doing two different things. The VI filter blur you can disable with patches makes the bigger difference out of the two but the HDMI mod de-blur does a bit too. Both at once is basically what you wish N64 RGB normally looked like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXP6V79NswU
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Finally turned on my pvm-1343md for the first time after weeks of waiting for cables to ship and what not. Got this line on the left of the screen. Is the image off center? How to I begin to make adjustments to fix this? I'm new with pvm's.
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>>8211501
People unfortunately do try that. Some dickhead in the university district in a neighbouring city hoarded a bunch of CRTs and PVMs, but even then they tried selling the CRTs at $70-100+, which is insanely ridiculous.
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>>8212618
The non-HDMI based mods have had support for deblur for a few years now, some more so than others(borti's definitely, tim's variably), and it's the deblur that is actually an across the board improvement. Removing AA looks fine in some instances but absolutely horrid in others.
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>>8212668
I already have 3 crts in the house one for my kid, one because it was cheap, and one that I need to fix.
That's close to hording by my standards, but the two smaller non-broken ones are just coax only, so it's not like I'm hording pvms or whatever.

All I want now is a tiny preferably color crt. An old RadioShack portavision or something. They made a color version before portable TV's all went LCD.
Then I'm done.
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>>8212660
240p test suite + service menu. Should only take like 10 minutes
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>>8212660
Unfortunately this model doesn't have a service menu. I was hoping someone knew a good resource for learning how to make adjustments by hand.
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>>8212801
meant to respond to
>>8212758
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>>8212743
If you're using them, that's perfectly fine. My issue is just people hoarding them with the intention of reselling them as RETRO GAMING TVS MUST BUY at stupidly high pricetags, which for me is the outrageous bit.
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>>8212801
https://archive.org/details/SonyPVM1440QM1442QM1444QMServiceManual/page/n17/mode/2up
You'll need to open it up to gain access to the bank of pots that adjust geometry and the like. Page 18 if it doesn't automatically go to it.
Video Phase is going to control horizontal centering, and H-Size for Horizontal Size.
Genesis stuff often has decent amount of unused raster, as you're seeing on the left, so you might want to see how a few other games, and especially other games on other systems look before you go adjusting things, since different consoles and different games are going to use different amounts of raster and be centered a bit differently. It all becomes a balancing act of finding a happy medium, or going insane adjusting stuff constantly.
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>>8212803
I think I remember you asking about this in the past. You're right, there is no service menu. It's still pretty easy all you have to do is remove the enclosure. There should be a few pots on the back of the monitor once the enclosure is removed. It's easy, don't be scared.
Other anon is right, certain consoles will shift shit around slightly. Plug something else in and compare it.
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>>8212812
I sell small cheap CRT's for gaming for around 30 to 40 dollars at the moment. I sold one that had a few light scratches that looked more like smudges for 35 a couple weeks ago. Felt like good money for what it was to me. I didn't want it. Glad some kid will enjoy it.
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Pretty sure this is a 20MT1331/17, does anyone know if it takes component?
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>>8212931
The mono input visible on the front means it's very likely only going to be composite and nothing better.
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>>8212848
Never asked before but thanks.
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>got my last bipolar caps today
>after it was delivered to the wrong mailbox and the other recipient was kind enough to take it over to my house

look at these absolute caplets these are even smaller than the other smaller ones lmao
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well that's an interesting result

so that's the channel number in the upper right there, this picture is about how it looks irl
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Well I'm guessing I either moved the flyback transformers adjustment knobs or the new caps mean it had to readjust it, turning them a bit brings the picture back but now I'm getting wavy lines.

It never did this before the recap so looks like I've created some work for myself....
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>>8213362
>>8213342
So I'm looking into wavy lines picture issues like this, I'm hoping this is the result of a bad solder connection from a cap I replaced and I didn't actually break anything. I'm gonna take a break to let it discharge and go over all my solder points again, as well as solder points to anything near where I was soldering.

Outside of the flyback needing to be readjusted this waviness is the ONLY new problem.
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>>8213408
good luck anon, wavy pictures like that can be a real mystery sometimes
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>>8213412
>hook up the wii on a whim since I brought it out anyway
>waviness completely clears when its showing a picture

Well how about that. I wouldn't even know where to begin with behaviour like that. Good to know it isn't fucked beyond my expertise then. I'm still gonna be checking it later though because I can't correct the convergence tonight.
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>>8207840
>>8208367
Upload it again plz and ill take a look at it
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>>8213452
Sounds like it's a problem with the console or hookups you used when you noticed the waviness then?
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>>8205709
that is some horrid geom
you need to open up the service menu and try to bandaid that, or try the tilt function.
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>>8213778
https://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/63897/Sanyo_Tv%20SANYO%20CLP%206024%20-%20CLP%206029%20-%20CLP%203024%20-%20CLP%202143.html
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>>8195276
Can anyone tell me what to look for in a CRT. What are the best brands and are flat ones ore curved better?
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>>8214514
The best are the ones with component inputs if you're a burger.
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finding a PVM is impossible. What's the next best thing?
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>>8214579
a really nice consumer CRT
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For anyone in NSW.. Grab this deal.
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>enable onboard graphics at the same time as dedicated GPU
>connect CRT to onboard via VGA to S-Video converter
>play game on main LCD monitor connected to dedicated GPU
>game capture with OBS
>fullscreen project it to CRT
>game is still at least one frame ahead on the CRT despite going through both the VGA converter and OBS capture
How is this even possible? Can the LCD really have that much more latency, or might it be the case that OBS's game capture is introducing extra latency on the main display somehow?
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>>8214002
Opposite, there's waviness with no signal but it's fine when I have something hooked up (At least my Wii is I haven't tried checking anything else or like the RF input)

The first pic is the OSD with no inputs, and the second is my Wii showing a test pattern (I don't think the OSD was wavy while the Wii was running also so it's probably not just the OSD).

This is weird as hell but I guess worst case scenario If I can't work out what I messed up I really don't give a shit if there's a picture issue when I'm not using the TV.
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>>8214579
It's not impossible. It's just expensive if you don't want to spend a lot of time looking.
The next best thing depends on what you valued in the PVM.
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>>8215070
Maybe a grounding issue
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>>8214579
People keep saying cheap broadcast monitors dried up but they're still around in bigger cities. Just get creative with your search terms. Anyone using "crt" or "retro" in their ads likely has an idea of what they can get for their stuff. Also you can cold call people with decent results. I cold called some prop house and ended up with a dozen 20" monitors.
The other anon is right though, late consumer grade tvs are perfectly fine for gaming stuff and are still free or cheap in most places.
I think prices for high end monitors have peaked. It seems like flippers pushed a little too high and their ads stay up for much longer now.
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>>8215498
wtf is a prop house
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>>8215745
prop rental house
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I’m the guy who was looking at the Insignia earlier. The picture’s great, I just need to adjust the geometry. Does anyone know how to access the service menu?
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Remember not to get too obsessed with 240p anon.
There are lots of good games with other resolutions.
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>>8215896
Whats the model number?
Do you have the remote?
It looks like there's a menu button right on the face.
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>>8216078
The menu is for adjusting color and the like, not geometry. It’s an Insignia IS-TV040919, I have the remote
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>>8216119
Crack the remote open. There may be hidden buttons
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>>8216119

To Get into service mode, you will need an OEM remote and open it. Make sure the crt is on. Bridge contacts 44 and 40, this may take a few tries, its a tad bit finicky. It will say 'test' in the top right corner if you do it right. then put the faceplate and buttons back on, and 1-4 will let you use the menus, chan+/- vol+/- to adjust.

Default values for my set are:
Menu1:
V. Slope: 33
V. Shift: 39
V. Size: 40
V. SC 32
H. Shift: 48
Prog. NO.: 4
Menu2:
AGC take-over: 24
YUV HS. OFFSET: 5
Shipping: 0
Menu3:
BT: 75
CT: 75
SC: 0
RB: 32
GB: 32
RD: 32
GD: 32
BD: 32
SB: 40
Menu4:
OSD. V.: 11
OSD. H.: 32
BTSC-AGC: 0
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Just got a Sony KV-25FS120 for 12 dollars. Picture is good but it definitely needs to have geometry adjusted. Any tips for it? I currently am using a universal remote, but plan to get a OEM one for doing such a thing if I can’t do so through the universal remote.
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>>8212931
Looks like it has S Video, might have Componet on the back
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>>8216191
As with all CRTs, open it and clean it. The dust and soot that builds up in them can eventually become conductive
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>>8216138
I don’t see those contacts, here’s what my remote looks like with the lid popped off. Looks like there’s unlabeled buttons, any idea what they might do?
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>>8216514
Pull the bottom plastic ofd
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>>8216514
>>8216516
Remove the buttons rubber off m8
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>>8216516
>>8216584
Figured it out, two of the buttons in conjunction access the service menu. Thanks though
Is there any reason why I can’t control horizontal slope and size like I can vertical? It’s strange that >>8216138 and I don’t have those options.
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>>8203648
Right now SNES and PS1 through scart to bnc cables
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>>8216191
>any tips for it?
I'm not a CRT expert but I believe your TV might be oriented upside down. Have you tried flipping it 90 degrees?
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>>8216685
your cock is p disgusting my nigga
https://i.imgur.com/jmq9rwa.jpg
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>>8215445
Maybe, when I reattached the neckboard's ground clip I actually clipped it onto a different spot on the ground strap (the original spot frayed slightly when I removed it last time and I don't want to risk breaking it)

The original spot on the strap is a lot cleaner looking so maybe the rest of the strap is too tarnished/oxidised for a good connection. I hope it's something as easy as that, I'll find out tomorow when I go back in there I guess.
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>>8217123
The more I think about it the more that makes sense, if it's not grounded properly with no inouts but then it's able to ground through the composite connectors? Man I'm really hoping that's it now.
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>>8199669
SOUL
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Posted this Trinitron I got a couple weeks ago. Been playing on it since then and I calibrated it and I think it's looking great.
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>>8217497
This shit looks way too sharp. Like 100% scanlines on Emulator.
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>>8217515
what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>8217515
That's just how it looks using an RGB SCART input. The sharpness settings on the TV are pretty low.
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Is there anywhere I can take a crt to get someone to do internal fixes? I think I need the tube adjusted since its the image is diagonal but I'm a huge pussy who doesn't want to risk getting shocked
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>>8217661
I tought that the sharpness didn't affect signals aside from composite and RF, maybe S-Video.
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Would anyone know what shaders/filters I should use to achieve the effect on the left with a crt monitor? Not a fan of how sharp everything is, I could post a pic of it with sotn if needed.
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>>8218005
When you say CRT monitor do you mean a VGA PC monitor?
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>>8217826
It'll cost hundreds, but just look for the oldest electronics/tv repair shops around and ask the people there if they'll do it
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>>8218061
Yeah my bad vga monitor
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>>8217661
>That's just how it looks using an RGB SCART input.
It looks that way because the TVLine count is very high and the dot pitch is very fine.
You were never supposed to see pronounced blank lines like that. They used CRTs that sharp(BVMs/PVMs) for editing but they always used a much less fine/sharper consumer set at the same time to demo the final product. They didn't want their game to have jailbars on top.
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>>8218005
Those FF6/SoTN screenshots are from ruuupu1 on twitter. The CRT is a Sony KV-14AF1
Judging by the pics it's a fairly low TVL count trinitron hence no noticeable scanlines

https://twitter.com/ruuupu1/status/1356955170551156739?lang=en

According to him to emulate this CRT properly you would need 7416x5405 resolution.

Emulating lower TVL CRT's is actually harder than high TVL BVM's and such where you can just put some dumb fat scanlines and call it a day.
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Complete retard here.
Any guide of cheap, really small CRTs? One you could put on a bedside table?
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>>8218101
>They used CRTs that sharp(BVMs/PVMs) for editing but they always used a much less fine/sharper consumer set at the same time to demo the final product.
That is a consumer set...
>They didn't want their game to have jailbars on top
That's not what jailbars are...
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Finally got my crt into my game room after RGB modding it. I have a gscart and gcomp switch and I'm planning to have every console hooked up to that crt besides the 360 and ps3/ps4. Anyone got any tips for wiring this all up?
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>>8218005
you can't replicate that exact look on a vga monitor, but good news is that unless you're a fucking retard that zooms in to see the individual phosphors you won't really notice the difference
just use a super wide resolution (2560x480@60hz is good) and one of the tvout+interlacing+ntsc presets
use 3-phase/256px for consoles that output 256 pixels wide (snes, ps1) and 2-phase/320px for consoles that output 320 pixels wide (sega shit)
svideo or composite is up to you
adjust the "monitor gamma" and "contrast" options afterwards to recover the lost brightness
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>>8218148
my bad, I meant monitor gamma and saturation
both inside shader parameters
also you're pretty much stuck with retroarch if you plan to do this
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>>8218005
In RetroArch under CG shaders > CRT there is a shader called CRT-Royal+tvout+Image-Adjustments.
This has been my favorite shader over time after trying other variations.
Make sure you are using a vertical integer scale, even if you have to crop a few lines of pixels to get it. Horizontal is not as important.
Once active, you should go into shader parameters and reduce diffusion weight and halation weight to 0. These are glow effects your PC CRT will provide for you. Also remove the border.
Next thing to change is mask type and triad size desired. I tend to like mask type 0 on my dot triad monitor, and triad size 4. If your monitor can't do 2048x1536 you should use triad size 1 or 2 at 1600x1200.
The other settings you can play around with and get a feeling for.
Experiment with other shaders like the GTU shaders and CRT-Guest-Venom. There is an advanced version available on the libretro forums. Eventually you will settle on something you like after you get tired of fiddling with it.

To get the effect on Dracula's eyes on the left you need to turn on the composite video switch in CRT-Royale+tvout+image-adjustments and adjust luma and chroma resolution to where you want it to be.
Note that this shader doesn't introduce dot crawl and fringing with the composite switch. You'll need a different shader for that if the emulator doesn't support additional filters.

What model is your PC monitor?
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>>8218160
>crt royale on a crt
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>>8218213
you have to eat all the eggs
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>>8214514
Well what do you want, a consumer or professional CRT? Are you Europoor or amerifat or another 3rd worlder?

If europoor consumer crt will eat RGB inputs through Scart, some higher end models will also have component images will be pretty much identical.
If non euro get one and rgb mod it.

For professional crt get anything of these brands Sony, Panasonic, Ikegami, Mitsubishi, Barco (only if you have the manual, impossible to work on W/o), NEC
They vary greatly but are the very best CRTs made. But some can be a bitch to adjust and/or are very old and will most likely have parts inside that are going to die in the near future.

Curved/non curve is preference , trinitrons (a Sony brand) is curved in one dimension, most others in two. Some have a stronger curve some are more flat or even completely.
Read a little watch some yt videos and don’t spend too much just because there is a listing atm in your area.
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>>8218259
*forgot JVC as Brand, also very good.
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>>8218141
I recommend using the 360 on it as well, a lot of games actually run better at 480i
It fixes majorly of all the slowdown
It’s also a really good DVD player and streamer if you wanna watch things on CRT
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>>8218005
CRT Guest Dr Venom 2
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>>8218148
Yeah I saw some people talking about using super resolution at 480p with those shaders just didnt go in depth enough for my peabrain, thank you! Would I just use same shit as snes for nes?

>>8218160
>>8218347
Ill give these two a shot later and see what looks best to me, thanks guys :) also monitor is trinitron 15sf2
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>>8217276
>>8217123
Brehs that's all it was.

I moved the neckboard's ground clip because the original spot was damaged but the rest of the clip was too grimy for a good connection. Moving it back to the messed up part (circled) completely solved the issue.
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>>8218425
Well I’m glad I solved your problem, sometimes shit just needs a simple fix
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>>8218425
thank you based occam's razor, now all that's left is to adjust the flyback knobs and deal with the fucking convergence rings and I can forget I ever opened this TV.

I hope I don't end up snapping that strap though that probably wouldn't be fun to replace.

Also any have advice on how I should adjust the flyback knobs? Most people say to just leave them alone but I'm kind of past that point. I figure I only want to turn them until the picture is just clear enough without going too far.

>>8218430
Thanks I'm pretty glad I can say I've succesfully recapped a TV now, aside from this hiccup.
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>>8218338
I've been thinking about how to get video files onto my crt from my home Nas. Was thinking of doing a pi with analog out but if the 360 can do it, we'll that would be peachy.
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>>8218430
>>8218435
great work anons
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>>8218450
PS3 also works.
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>>8218450
Yea, I just use UMS
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>>8218459
I wouldn’t recommend the PS3, it uses Cinavia which is an absolute pain in the ass
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been looking for an affordable PVM/BVM for a year now and no luck. Who is buying at these ridiculous prices?
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>>8219101
What are you looking for in your CRT?
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>>8218402
>Would I just use same shit as snes for nes?
yes, any system will work (except for some arcade systems that run at retarded resolutions, you need a different modeline for those) just make sure the scaling isn't fucked and that you're using the right preset
>trinitron 15sf2
your monitor can't output a high enough resolution to display those shaders correctly (not that you should be running them on a crt anyway)
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what's a good source for capacitors?
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>>8219101
People that have them keep spares. I'd only let one of mine go as a trade for a PC CRT. Or something else rare and game related.
>>8219380
I trust Mouser the most when I need high quality parts for important stuff. Otherwise Tayda for cheap crap.
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>>8218127
>>8218127
Whatever the fuck you can find my guy. We have no way to tell you what crts are available in your region or how much people charge for them there.
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>>8219435
that being said don't go and shell out triple digits for a 9" composite only set like a dumbass
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>>8219380
Yeah seconding mouser. I'd recommend taking their cheapest shipping option if you buy from them by the way (unless it's a really big order that you might want to insure) I've never had a problem with it and the shipping speed is practically the same as their expensive ass default shipping.
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>>8219684
They always just offer me like 5 different options for 7.99. Used to be 4.99.
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>>8195376
>>8195354
>>8195346
>>8195328

I have an old Samsung phone that has a IR transmitter. There are several apps you can get for it that use various remote profiles. Just keep trying them til you find one that works. I just got a small 13" that needs a remote to access the component input so I am charging that old phone just to use the app.
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>>8219367
>trinitron 15sf2
>Deflection frequency Horizontal: 31 to 65 kHz
The highest resolution this monitor can do is 1280x1024.
You'll have to use a triad size of 1 one for this and the result may still not be too hot. Give it and >>8218148 method anyway. Won't hurt to try.
Also try 240p@120hz and see if it will take it. The rough pitch might look pretty good, but you will get some motion blur.
One the bright side this monitor is great for classic PC gaming.
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Stop buying sony trinitrons I want one.
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>>8220138
I only own an s video one but I think they're overrated. I would rather look at the s video on my Sharp
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>>8220138
Absolutely overrated, the only reason why i would justify exclusively looking for one would be the outside look. Most late 90's or early 2000 CRT will look just as good or even better than a Trannytron, if you find a curved one with component/s-video that's the best you are going to find.
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>>8220236
But I want a small CRT. That's the point.
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>>8220240
There are great non-Trinitron small CRTs.
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Is there any sort of adapter I can buy for my tv so I can connect s video and component at the same time with audio? They overlap here
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Excuse my ignorance and this non retro questions but i recall reading bits and pieces of this before and seek confirmation:

If played on a crt, will gamecube games running on a wii with 3rd party component cables result in the same or close quality as playing on a gamecube with the official component cables?

And

I have a crt with hdmi and component inputs. For Wii games on a crt, would i be better playing them on wii via component or on a wii u using hdmi to get best picture quality?
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>>8220275
Maybe a Splitter, you can even build your own but you i wouldn't turn on the consoles at the same time.
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>>8220248
name me a good and inexpensive one, anon
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>>8219409
Shit man, id trade you a pc crt for a pvm, i got a shit ton of them cause im a retro pc fag.
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'uv me old tv's
'ate me new tv's
simple as
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>>8220316
the gamecube has a sharper output than early wiis, later wii models are slightly better but they're still worse than the gamecube
in my opinion its not really worth the extra, plus if you're using nintendont on the wii you have better performance, can force progressive scan on almost all games, use widescreen patches, use any controller you want and other stuff
as for the wii vs wii u, I would just go with component on the wii to avoid extra scaling fuckery and/or vwii latency
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>>8220275
usually you can just use a switchbox for the audio only, but in this case having the s-vid and component video signals hooked in at the same time might theoretically cause grounding issues. no way to know until you try
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>>8220406
this was only an issue with digital signals and it was fixed with nintendon't
Wii has an identical output to GC
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>>8220407
what do you mean grounding issues? What would happen?
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>>8220275
why would you want to watch them both at the same time
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>>8220316
the signal is identical on analog inputs
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>>8220732
It's not that I want to watch them at the same time, having both my ps1 and 2 plugged in and switching the tv mode without fiddling with the cables would be really nice. I have a rather cramped setup
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>>8220756
well that's easy then a component/s-video splitter
you could probably put both on the same input too
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>>8220772
would I lose visual quality / gain input lag with one of these?
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>>8220713
60hz, that's what
but seriously, I think a switchbox should work like normal
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>>8220787
That looks like it's almost definitely the same as the Gamestop and Pelican branded HD System Selectors internally. They're just dumb switches, so there won't be any issue with input delay or otherwise being introduced.
As for visual quality, they aren't shielded, so if you place them somewhere with a lot of electrical noise (on top of an amp, some TVs, near a bunch of power cords/wallwarts, they can pick up some noise that way. If you can avoid that, they don't introduce any loss in PQ in and of themselves though, no.
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>>8220787
no
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>>8220406
Homebrew fixed the Wiis image when playing gamecube games. It's identical now.
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>>8220342
In this market your can't really buy specific TVs, you have to take what you find. Learn how to estimate the quality of any tv you come across and you'll find good ones of any flavor
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>>8220342
An inexpensive one is the inexpensive one you find on your local Craigslist or Facebook marketplace. What exactly are you expecting us to tell you? There aren't MSRPs for 25 year old used TVs anon.
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>>8220406
>not liking wii u for gamecube games
>When wii u is the single best way to play gamecube games if configured properly
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>>8220406
Also with nintendon't on the wii you can disable the ugly ass dithering that some gamecube games have .
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>>8220671
>>8220939
I didn't know, do you have any pics?
>>8221117
never said I didn't like it, just use whatever is more convenient for you
>single best way to play gamecube games
example?
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>>8218148
Nice teef
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>>8218435
You can mess around with the focus knob safely enough, but be careful with brightness. My Sony expects specific voltage which has to be set according to the manual, otherwise it starts blinking red lights at me.
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FYI, if anyone is interested in duplicating crt-royale almost exactly with the ReShade port (interlacing is busted), you must combine it with something like 'scanlines-abs.fx' shader (it's on github).
You can actually control scan line thickness easily this way, which makes it useful on low-res monitors.
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>>8221324
Reshade artificially downscales resolution which messes with things like scaling and font
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>>8221567
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>>8221309
I ended up just setting everything on the display menu to the default and adjusting the knobs based on that. I turned the focus until it was just sharp enough that turning it further didn't affect the clarity, and I tried turning the brightness knob until it was around "just bright enough", which looked fine on my Wii but later when I ended up hooking my PS2 up the main menu screen was like just black so I should have set it higher I guess.

For now I just increased the brightness via the display menu higher until the PS2 looked good. I wonder if it's fine to leave it that way or if I should open the TV up again to adjust the brightness directly on the flyback. Not sure what difference that would make in the long run.
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Is it bad to keep a CRT turned on when you're not using it if no signal is being transmitted and nothing is displaying on screen? For example, is it a bad idea to leave it on overnight just to save having to wait the few moments it takes to warm up when I turn it on the next day?
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>>8222002
Don’t know but mine turns off automatically if no signal is being displayed after 5 minutes
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>>8222002
well, even if there isn't an image to burn in, static or blank screen is still going to wear the phosphors over time as if it was being used. I wouldn't waste TV life just to save waiting like 10 seconds for it to turn on.
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>>8222014
>static or blank screen is still going to wear the phosphors over time as if it was being used.
Static will, obviously, but how is a blank screen supposed to do that? And when I say blank, I mean with nothing being displayed, not the blue that some sets display when an input with no signal is selected. I was more worried about components other than the screen phosphors.
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Found a remote for my CRT but it's gross as fuck.
Kind of a weird question overall, but with regards to retro tech (especially for electronics that need to be disassembled for repair) when cleaning plastics for remotes, controllers, console chassis/cases is there a particular type of cleaning agent I should be using? I know to use isopropyl alcohol for the PCB, but would dish detergent be fine for the rest?
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>>8222038
Any old dish soap or hand soap is fine plastics and rubber membranes, just soap up a toothbrush and scrub them clean, making sure they're totally dry before reassembling.
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>>8222047
Thanks.
I was looking for a supplier of bulk isopropyl alcohol (best I could find in my shithole backwater city was 1L without paying an arm and a leg in freight from places that actually matter) and while searching esoteric cleaning product supplier websites saw things like "video AV lead contact cleaner" in amongst it others, which gave me pause to think maybe there was something less harsh on aging plastics or otherwise better for the job.
But logically, most people wash dishes barehanded without major problems so it can't be that abrasive. Certainly not on plastic, although maybe rubber. Anyway thanks again for clarifying.

>making sure they're totally dry before reassembling
Yeah, I can imagine that causing issues if you're careless enough to do such a thing.
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probably a dumb question I don't come here often, but I'm looking for some sort of converter to pass VGA from a tower computer into a CRT with RCA with as little lag as possible, tho some small lag is fine. are there any standard devices to do this?
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>>8222725
There's no good standard for that conversion, unfortunately. I think the arcade crowd makes some. Just be sure before you buy that the input and output resolutions match what you want; you will most likely run into a lot of downscalers that only accept hd signals. You don't want those because getting 240p could be trouble, so make sure the converter accepts 15kHz
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>>8201785
Get some external speakers and stop using mono.
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>>8204812
If it has an overlay display, like volume and channel numbers, it’s rgb moddable. Those numbers are shown through rgb and what mods do is hijack the chip that produces them and inserts their video signal. That’s why rgb mods have a toggle switch since it’ll overlay on every channel/input.
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>>8195276
I bought this Mitsubishi CRT today and it works great. The guy who previously owned it bought it a year ago new in box. It looks new and the original remote was in the original plastic. The guy had to get rid of it because his GF wanted it gone so I bought it. The picture on it looks great and I don't have any issues with it yet.
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>>8222038
And you can clean the board inside the controller with isopropyl alcohol or distilled water. The plastic with water and dish soap, get an old toothbrush to clean the small holes.
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>>8223045
Damn that makes me sad for the guy, great for you tho. Looks pretty good, what inputs does it have?
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I want to hook up my MAME/emulation PC to my CRT over component,what type of cable do i need? My gpu has analog vga and also the analog dvi, also can the odd Mame games resolutions and refresh rates can mess up my crt?
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>>8223045
Gf wanted it gone? Their relationship will either be over soon or miserable forever
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>>8223340
It has composite and coax. I can only plug in two consoles so I'll use my composite switcher for more game consoles
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Got this heavy monster vga monitor from the front of a guys porch. What should i use it for, Dreamcast via vga or classic pc?
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>>8197684
>sorry, i'd rather have my raw pixel crisp and clear
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There's a crt monitor sitting in a drain near an abandoned hotel which is 20mins away from my house, on a beach. Should I take it one of these days? Apparently its still there based off of videos from 4 years ago. Its sitting on a drain apparently but I dont know if its still there.
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>>8223679
You are a lucky bastard. Anything as long as you clean it first. I would recommend it for anime and pre ps3 stuff
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>>8223759
KEK

Didn't this faggot liked pvm and crt's too?

I used to like him until i saw his twitter feed lol, also tons of shit takes lately.
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>>8223803
Lol if it is there go get it, if it was wet over so many years it will be probably corroded as fuck and completely broken but you never know most CRT are sturdy as fuck.
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>>8223803
if you wanna tinker with it and spit in the face of death, might as well see if it works.
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>>8222002
Guess you weren't alive back then.
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>>8223759
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>>8223815
>>8223818

I will get it one of these days when I go there with my dad. If its still there that is.
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I don't know why but underscan always drives me fucking nuts

god I wish CRTs had a horizontal width setting
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>>8223810
>>8223679
He should probably clean his house first
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>>8223903
Do they not? I was just adjusting the horizontal width on my pvm
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>>8223962
Clean your room first, bucko
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>>8223679
This monitor has very high capabilities. Modern games will look fantastic on it and bring out the best in it.
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>>8223331
Thanks.
I ordered two anti-static brushes made for cleaning PCBs (one for dusting, one for isopropyl alcohol) and will probably grab some pipecleaners plus a small scrubbing brush for plastic, as you suggested.
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>>8224661
Do you mean this specific model, or just VGA CRTs in general? I have a bunch of other monitors including a little Trinitron from back when I was a kid and just have used/held onto them for years just cause i was too cheap to ever buy a flat screen.

Only reason I grabbed this when i saw it was cause I seen its bigger then any other im pretty sure I have and I knew I wanted to get a VGA adapter for my Dreamcast one of these days so a bigger screen seemed appealing to me for that. Is it really that good for other stuff? Do you mean modern PC games on it or like actual consoles? Like out of curiosity, what would you use it for it you had it?
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>>8224724
That thing can push out resolutions above 1080p at refresh rates ≥80hz and achieve a better picture quality than any modern display that's not high-end/expensive. Albeit, this is without considering that the display is old and might be worn down, and you will have to know how to calibrate it.
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>>8197687
>Composite is the new meme.
http://2xod.com/articles/Wii_Component_vs_Composite_Cables/
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I love my CRT but less for anything inherent to the big fuckoff heavy cunt of a box that needs retarded amounts of maintenance, and more for the way it paints a gorgeous image across its screen; the kinda 'magic eye picture' way the gaps between phosphors and scanlines disrupts the visuals on low-res content, with the way my brain fills in those blanks, to make it feel like there's more detail behind the picture than there actually is.

Someday my CRT will die though, and the technology is never coming back, so I'm glad people are trying to recreate that aforementioned pseduo-HD'ifying effect the analogue entropy instills; between the warmth of the tube, the convergence and geometry, the blooming rounded pixel-dots, and the filter of the mask- all that comes together to instill quality to a ~240p picture that makes old games look as though they belong on a big screen.
We're not quite there yet with our current FPGA tech, to get this kinda content looking the way it should on a modern TV, but the current 'next' generation of scalers (tink5x, pixel fx morph, OSSC pro) gives me hope I wont be too upset when my tube conks.
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So what are the very basics of calibrating a CRT? I have an old PAL Trinitron i want to set up as gold as i can, how do i display a rainbow pattern to adjust color and all that jazz?
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Of course I knew CRT and magnets don't get along but I didn't think the effect would be this bad. I know in the late 90s I had a cheap set of polk tower speakers next to my CRT and didn't have any issues. Gonna try the tuna can over the magnet coil thing and see if that helps.
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>>8223903
>god I wish (consumer television) CRTs had a horizontal width setting
They do have it. It's just harder to get to in a service menu or adjustment pot inside the casing.
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>>8224120
Mine doesn’t, it’s a 20 incher. Seems that only my PS2 causes underscan tho, static on regular channels seems fine
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>>8224724
This specific model. It's probably a GDM series Trinitron.
Modern PC games would be best to take advantage of it since it's easier to get them to display in 4:3.
Doom Eternal, Project Cars 2, and the new Resident Evil games should all look incredible on it.
Only negative is this monitor might have the G2 brightness issue that needs correcting. But it's worth fixing if it does.
This monitor is in the same tier as the FW900 imo. It's just a 4:3 version.
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>>8225392
I used to have large speakers right next to my CRT monitor. I was able to fix the color issue by using degauss which would presumably magnetize the shadow mask in such a way to oppose the speakers magnetism. Since tvs don't have degauss you will need to get a degaussing wand.
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What's a good HDMI to yPbPr converter that outputs at 480/240?

I want to be able to connect my modern PC to my Sony Wega
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>>8225416
I think the problem personally is that some games just expect a lot of overscan while others expect a full screen, and there really isn't a balance for that. Like I can load a flashcart and not be able to read the edges of the menu because it gets cut off but then go into a game that literally doesn't touch any edge of the screen.
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>>8219829
My unihertz phone has an ir transmitter and a universal app. Some of these remotes just don't have any universal remote option. And even when they do, there are a shitload of unmappable buttons

Shit sucks
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>Went to a bargain sale
>Bought this one for 10 Euros
>It turns on but doesn't show any image
what do bros I'm 10 EUR down now
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>>8225995
It won't show any image because there are no analog television signals for it to pick up.
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I find a bit of overscan to be beneficial to the look of games. I cut off a little bit of the image when I play on a PC monitor.
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>>8225997
It shows a white screen even with my consoles plugged in
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>>8226004
Did you press the tv/av button?
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>>8226005
Yes the audio works fine but it won't show any image
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>>8225498
TVs have built in degaussing coils.
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>>8226009
Sure, but they don't seem to actually do anything, at least not on any tv I have ever seen.
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I love my panasonic ct-13r, it has excellent geometry and makes composite signals look great.
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>>8225338
>So what are the very basics of calibrating a CRT? I have an old PAL Trinitron i want to set up as gold as i can, how do i display a rainbow pattern to adjust color and all that jazz?
Download 240p Test Suite and put it on a game console. Use the included patterns and test images to calibrate to your liking.
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>>8225392
I want to add a couple of bookshelf speakers to the side of my CRT Monitor on my Retro PC set up, i know that PC speakers generally have protection for this but i haven't been able to find any decent ones. How far should i keep them from the screen to prevent problems like this?
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>>8226236
You should be spacing the damn things out for proper stereo separation anyway
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>>8226021
They usually degauss when you use the on button on most tvs
They usually make a sound like a goose honk before the screen turns on
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>>8226004
>white screen
Needs a capacitor change
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>>8226453
I am well aware that they make a pathetic attempt at degaussing but its so minimal as to basically be the same as nothing. Certainly nothing in comparison to a proper degauss as done by a computer monitor.
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Anyone have experience adjusting dynamic convergence? Manual says to tilt the yoke left or right, but that literally does nothing, unless I pull it back far enough to start getting purity problems. I've removed the wedge spacers, but haven't touched the strips yet.
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>>8226495
It’s pretty much the same, if you have an actual noticeable problem it’s better to use a degauss tool
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so how do i take good pictures of my CRT? i have a BenQ GH600, and i know how to adjust the shutter speed but the picture is too bright on cam and its a bit of a pain to lower the brightness to the point that its totally dark for normal use but okay for the camera
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>>8226801
Match shutter to refresh or a clean division of it if possible.

Lower ISO and close the aperture to reduce sensitivity/amount of light overall making it to the sensor.
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>>8226880
is that because of your camera or does your screen have a pinkish tint
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>>8195661
>the year is 2057
>this anon owns the last working CRT on earth
>and it's fucking pic related
kek
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>>8227491
>that OSD font
Kino
Would look great without that shit on the top
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>>8227002
Doesn't look pink on my end, but not impossible it's just some botched raw processing. Not reaaaaaaally a great placed to grab a 100% white swatch for totally accurate adjustment. The clouds are slightly blue heavy, and the text it would seem is slightly green lacking (checking from an emu screenshot).

That set is (properly) calibrated to 6500k though, so perhaps you're a bit more used to 9300k's cooler appearance?
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>>8227694
not him but it is indeed ever so slightly pink
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>>8227604
it comes off
i have the "ears" version of this
kinda neat that the channel numbers each have a different princess
pointless but a nice touch
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>>8204491
Sony TV model pls
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>>8201256
>Dude I literally am the My Life in Gaming guy
So, yes... extremely fucking autistic.
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Look at this, Final Fight running in 384x224@160hz in 4:3 on MAME with REAL, native, scanlines on a 19" monitor.
No filters, no scaling, nothing. Just the perfect, raw picture delivered as intended.
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>>8228803
I've been wanting to make my own MAME machine. What're you using and how do you have it hooked up to your CRT?
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>>8228803
>picture delivered as intended.
hmm
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>>8228890
nothing special, just my pc and a dport->vga adapter for the monitor
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>>8195276
i feel like i hit the hdcrt jackpot this time. the last one i found had a scratched up screen and a broken ir reciever but this one is spotless and has nearly perfect geometry. i got it from an old couple who had it in a guest room, they said they almost never used it. they were giving it away for free because it was too big.
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>>8229229
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>>8229229
>nearly perfect geometry
show squares, now
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>>8229279
You gonna jerk it to some squares?
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Is RGB modding a N64 a meme? I think I'd rather just use an S-Video cable, but there aren't many comparison pictures I can find online.
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>>8229229
model?
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>>8228803
enjoy your irregular frame doubling nerd
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>get small CRT TV and put it on computer desk
>have to stare at your reflection when it's powered off
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>>8229304
S-Video won't look that much better over composite due to a few of the console's filters, namely anti-aliasing and video interface (VI) blur; and as far as I know, all N64 games pretty much had it. One way to get around AA is with an Gameshark to turn it off, but some people get put off by the amount of dithering on some games (it's not as bad on a CRT). VI can only be turned off if you're specifically using the N64RGB's RGB signal (won't work in S-Video) or had the console modded to support HDMI. This video contains goes into better detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDiHgKil8AQ

tl;dr If your monitor supports RGB, it's a pretty noticeable jump, especially with the VI de-blur enabled. I'll see if I can take any decent pictures of my BVM.
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>>8229369
>get small CRT TV and put it on computer desk
>have to stare at your reflection when it's powered off
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>>8229332
Sorry Im too busy actually playing the game to notice it, and still looks better than anything barring a thousand dollar BVM
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>>8229304
>>8229381
Granted, I'm taking 2D images with a shitty camera phone, but I hope it's good enough to give you a better idea of how games look with a modded N64 + GS (obviously, it looks better in-person). I'll try taking some 3D stuff later.
Super-sized version here: ibb(dot)co(slash)17VVDyD
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>>8229383
I kept a towel over my CRT for this exact reason.
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Will one CRT be enough for consoles like SNES, PS2, 360, and GC (for the gameboy player too)? Or are the set of features for each to obtain best picture too different? I have a 32" I'art JVC right now but the geometry is scuffed, although I have the remote access to service menue and can probably fix with time.
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>>8229584
If you plan to use 7th gen consoles (Wii/360/PS3), or even 8th gen (Wii U), then it's nice to have 2 good CRTs (one 4:3, one 16:9), assuming you DYOR and know which brand/models are worth grabbing.
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>>8228803
> 160hz
You are literally throwing away the most important feature of the CRT. Motion clarity requires 60fps content to be displayed at 60hz, you might as well just use an LCD otherwise.
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>>8229229
Good luck with your Tau. I loved mine. I just hope that stand is sturdy enough. That fucker weighs a ton
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>>8229686
you want me to use a lifeless smeared pixelated pile of dogshit that cant even do the proper resolution and aspecto ratio because of a minor drawback?
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>>8228803
Try a 31khz game.
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>>8229279
heres the grid
>>8229716
it should be strong enough, it came with the tv and they had it sitting there for years
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>>8229229
how many people did it take to haul this thing into your place?
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>>8230070
just me and my brother
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>>8229229
Holy fucking shit youre lucky.
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>>8230105
people give away stuff like this all the time on facebook aroumd here. i had to drive an hour but it was worth it
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>>8230049
nice squares, thats very good for a widescreen flat
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>>8230125
Nice.
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geometry OCD is ruining my life
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>>8230601
Just play a game. You don't really notice the small stuff unless you're staring at the grid.
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>>8230105
>lucky
It seems we've come a way from /vr/ saying these sets were "shit" and to not even bother with them.
>>8230601
Know when to say it's good enough and stop fucking with it. You got the CRT to play games, not to obsessively stare at patterns.
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So /crt/, I have an HP P1110 that I've got no use for. I could sell it for $150, probably, but I would rather just give it away to one of you. Anyone in the Toronto area?

>>8223679
Oh shit nigga, that's a GDM-5010pt. I have the same monitor with less than 1000 hours on it. It's fucking fantastic. Doesn't push crazy resolutions (1600x1200 is about the best you will get from it) but it has a sharp, bright picture and it won't drop below 75 Hz.
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>>8230652
>It seems we've come a way from /vr/ saying these sets were "shit" and to not even bother with them

I had an HD-CRT for a few years, it was great for newer content but subpar for 6th gen and earlier. If you plan to use it with a PS3, then fantastic, it is probably better than an LCD or a Plasma display. If you are planning to use it with an N64 then yes, it is still shit.
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>>8210045
Just watched your YouTube on how to setup Nintendont. Having issues with Wi-Fi right now with my Wii, bought a usb Ethernet adapter though. Hope to get on soon enough
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>>8230732
its great for 6th gen because of the 480p. i even got a vga to component transcoder for the dreamcast
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>>8195549
shaders don't make sense for an interlace resolution, do you want your fake scanlines blinking all the time?
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>>8202654
it's probably fine
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>>8231224
I’m surprised this thread is still up. It’s been long enough for my BNC adapters to arrive. Seems to be working just fine.
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>>8231842
who needs wrist straps when the TV is so small you'll miss when you throw the wiimote?
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>>8231851
I'm guessing he's using it for GameCube games
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>>8231851
>>8231917
This was just to see if it worked. The only thing I have that uses component cables at the moment is the Wii. Now that I know this thing works I'm going to buy a BNC to Scart adapter and use it mainly for Super Nintendo games.
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who is to be blamed?
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>>8232317
I don't think it's entirely video gamers.
BVMs are not 100% out of the industries they were used in. And they're still cheaper than the OLED equivalent.
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>>8230732
>it was great for newer content but subpar for 6th gen and earlier
Only if you connect the console directly to the TV.
In 2021 there are many better options. I'd go with RetroArch, but the scanline generators should have good results too.

I would love to see what >>8229229
can do with either of those options. I looked up the TV and it does not have a DVI or HDMI port. Just component. A little bit harder to work with but a HDMI/DisplayPort/VGA to Component converter should get around that.
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>>8231163
It should "just work", I think. The interlacing and flickering at 1080i is hard to see, and the number of fake scanlines that make up each real raster line should be far enough apart from number of real raster lines to not cause an issue.

But it may be that some sort of anti-flickering mitigation would need to be created.
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hey fellas, i fell for the crt "meme" and i'm looking to buy one. they seem to be very rare here and the only thing i have found within my price limit is a Sony FD Trinitron WEGA KV32CS70K. Would there be a difference if i were to buy a crt tv instead of a monitor? any anons care to help me out?
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>>8232462
>Would there be a difference if i were to buy a crt tv instead of a monitor
What do you think the difference is
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>>8232481
i really don't know, i'm not all that informed in crt monitors as i'm only 21. by the time i had a pc, crt monitors weren't around and were replaced by lcds. i was wondering if the quality of the image would be worse or if it would still be alright. also, i'd want to connect it to my computer. would the image quality fall if i were to use a hdmi to scart adapter? thanks
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>>8232501
since you're starting out, just get any old tv you can find. Do you have any consoles? It's difficult to display your computer on a tv, especially if you don't have vga. If you plan on getting a crt I would not recommend trying to emulate from a computer to a tv.
As for monitors, monitor just means generally not having a tv tuner, so nowadays it hardly matters. A 'pvm' or 'broadcast' monitor refers to professional equipment from tv studios and such meant to display sharper images to keep finer details. People like using them for gaming but they've grown expensive and memed to death. A vga or pc monitor is meant to connect to a computer, and those monitors cannot display the 15kHz standard definition images that old tv's do and that old consoles run at, as such they are also very tricky to use for retro gaming.
this website https://www.retrorgb.com/ might help you understand a little better to make your own decision, but it sounds like you want to emulate, and in my opinion you might as well keep using your lcd if you are going to emulate
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>>8232578
>since you're starting out, just get any old tv you can find
worst advice ever, he's just going to get a terrible impression of the technology
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>>8232578
thanks, i'll do some more research before buying anything.

>>8232617
any advice, anon?
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>>8232617
he doesn't know the difference between a 'good' crt and a 'bad' one, and the quality of a tv is mostly random luck of how degraded it is. Also, any crt will look good when you plug a console into it
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>>8232634
>any advice, anon?
what do you want? for ps2, snes and old consoles you want a CRT TV preferably with component inputs
if you play mostly on PC and emulate, find a CRT monitor, they're 2 different beasts
connecting a CRT TV to a PC is possible but it's a massive pain in the pass
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>>8232363
it has hdmi
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>>8232363
>Only if you connect the console directly to the TV.
>In 2021 there are many better options. I'd go with RetroArch, but the scanline generators should have good results too
there's no saving an hd crt for older games. Even if you got it looking decent from a computer with filters the lag over hdmi would be atrocious
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>>8230746
I've always had better luck using a USB LAN adapter on Wii when trying to connect to online servers. Although some of my friends use WiFi instead, so it can be done. I'm actually still using the same adapter I bought back in the day for Brawl and MKWii. Thanks for watching my video and good luck with setting up for PSO.
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anyone know of a good component switch thats shielded? the one i got off amazon has to much electrical infetterence
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>>8232842
I would search ebay for old extron switches, they're the best and many can be had for cheap
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>>8232317
You. The consumer who wants them. Its really that simple.
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>>8232317
crtgaming. Same people that hoard 10 PVMs then complain about how prices have gone up the last few years.
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>>8232771
>Even if you got it looking decent from a computer with filters the lag over hdmi would be atrocious
The lag isn't that bad.
Plenty of games where lag doesn't even matter.
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I'm buying a 21" Trinitron but the place is a 50-minute drive away so I'm asking some friends who live there and come here at the weekend to pick it up for me. I'm kind of paranoid, though ... Is it safe enough to ask them to fit it snugly behind the reclined passenger seat and drive carefully? How sturdy are those things?
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>>8233204
CRTs are tanks, any way you can fit it in your car is fine, don't scratch the glass, you can carry a 20" tv by yourself I guarantee
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>>8233204
As long as it can't roll around it'll be fine. As >>8233229 says, just don't scratch the glass. That TV will be just under 30kg, so you can probably lift it yourself.
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>>8232501
Do you want to play retro games or use it for content like movies and anime? Get the wega if you want the latter.
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>>8231842
nice, i do love my 8"-10" pro models for use on the desk :)

What that housing it's in? Can you show us some more photos of it?
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Bros my Trinitron pooped out and repair guy wants 250. Is it worth it?
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>>8233517
not even a little bit retard
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>>8233524
Yeah but in my area it's hard to just get a new one without driving 200 miles. So I'm pretty much done with CRTs unless I pay the guy or risk electric shocking myself.
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>>8233530
>it's hard to just get a new one without driving 200 miles
I don't believe you, but besides that, did the repair guy tell you what's wrong with it? If it's not turning on it's probably just bad capacitors in the power supply, should be very obvious and could be a good first attempt at repairs. Just learn how to discharge your crt and learn basic soldering
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>>8233540
not him but crts are extremely rare now. and then if you want a specific GOOD crt then those are going to be very costly.
my local thrift stores and pawn shops no longer stock crts. nobody's throwing them away either because they're too old. the tvs people throw away are newer than crts.
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>>8233548
i still see them in smart thrift shops and on Facebook marketplace
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>>8233548
they're everywhere, and still free. Of course if you start looking for a specific model number you are going to pay a premium for the convenience, but finding a crt that looks good is very very easy
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I have a small VGA CRT monitor and a Tendak HDMI to VGA converter, with a small NUC coming in the mail Friday.

What resolution do I output? Is there a way to have the ability to hot swap between the CRT and a modern display?

Someone said RetroArch automatically does this, but that the MAME core lags by a frame.

Will I need to save various ini's and swap them whenever I switch displays for each emulator I use if not using RetroArch?

I was hoping to use a front end like Attract Mode and pick and choose my emulators.

Sorry for the long question.
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No one could answer me if they knew which HDMI to component adapter was lagless over on the emu general.

Does anyone know?
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>>8233540
It's true, guy said he hadn't had a CRT repair job in years also. I have to take it in for a free diagnosis but he said ballpark estimate based on my description of the problem is 250 (problem is screen eventually turns into a single bright white horizontal line in the center, plus bad tilt).
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>>8233569
a vga crt is just a computer monitor, it doesn't need any special considerations you're mentioning. Unless you're trying to use super resolutions or something?
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>>8233593
Inherently they can't be lagless, but none of them should have appreciable lag by any stretch of the term. Haven't tested it officially but there is no lag on this one https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32896942663.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&spm=a2g0s.12269583.0.0.30a14827Ua1DIo
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Where do you guys find your CRTs?

Goodwill and salvation army here stopped taking them, Facebook marketplace has zero and Craigslist has zero.

I live in a fairly big city as well.
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>>8233602
Awesome, I guess I'll stick with computer CRT VGA stuff over the tv CRTs.

Too bad they are all super tiny.
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>>8233642
look up "tv" and sort by lowest price
offerup
yard sales
small thrift/junk stores
e waste recycling centers
old relatives/friends
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>>8233530
>or risk electric shocking myself.
There's no risk if you're not a retard. If you are a retard, then you deserve to be out 250.
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Spent a lot of time on the grid pattern getting my geometry dialed in on my RGB modded Sony. At this point I got it dialed in as good as I can via the service menu. Both corners on the right have issues that I can't live with, gonna have to go in with magnets and see what I can do. I play a ton of jRPGs and the menus in them games having so many straight lines makes the corner issues stand out. Dunno why I only have issues on the right of the TV, it's so much worse on the right then the left.
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>>8233768
There's no way they can be that bad, stop obsessing and play some fucking games
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>>8233647
well, vga CRTs cannot do a standard 240p resolution like TVs do. For a lot of retro games this poses a problem if you don't like filters
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>>8233204
If you're really worried, bring a clean soft towel along with you and put it under it, flipping it on its face. Shit will not move unless you start trying to do some sweet drifto nonsense
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>>8233768
could the yoke be off kilter maybe?
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>>8233775
What is this bullshit, they absolutely can
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>>8233775
.... What?

Of course they can.
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>>8233791
no, your 3840x240@120hz does not look good. No, your 480p with scanline filter does not look good. These are not the same as a tv
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>>8233804
>N-no I think it looks weird so it doesn't count
lol okay bro okay
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>>8233774
It's not really that bad, i've been playing a ton of games on it. Mostly SNES platformers. Want to replay some PS1 jEPGs. They are nothing but menus. The bad corner geomety stands out like a sore thumb

>>8233780
I don't think so, I adjusted the yoke tilt when I got it and made sure it was pushed all the way in. When I go back in use some magnets i'll double check.
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>>8233814
standard definition is 15kHz
these are 31kHz
not the same, sweetie
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>>8233834
Imagine being this autistic. Imagine being this autistic and being PROUD of it.

Jesus Christ.
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Why do people obsess so much about geometry? If the point of CRTs is to bring you closer to your childhood memories then I doubt your CRT from your youth was perfectly calibrated with a perfect image.
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>>8233839
Exactly. Most looked like shit.
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>>8233837
I could explain WHY trying to trick a vga monitor into 240p looks like shit but I'm sure you already know why and are just being contrarian
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>>8233852
Yeah, go ahead.

Idiot.

Not even addressing the fact that some natively fucking do it, I'd like to hear how you think "tricking" a VGA monitor into 240p looks like "shit".

I'm waiting. Post proof too sperg.
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>>8233804
>Ugh using a computer monitor would make the image look better with a higher refresh rate!

You're right. Disgusting.
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If I'm using a dedicated little computer with HDMI out for emulation, what CRT should I get?

One with component, s vid, or composite? Most sets near me only have composite. How bad is the lag going from HDMI to composite?
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>>8233768
did you check the linearity, most of the time it's that
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Man, last few levels of DKC2 are a lot harder then I remeber. That fucking bird race kicked my ass
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Which (smaller) crt would you get? Mainly for gamecube, and snes.
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>>8233873
Doubling the 60hz gameplay to 120hz causes really obnoxious dimming and ghosting, and the dot pitch of the monitors leaves huge gaps between scanlines. It's hideous
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>>8233901
If you're using a dedicated computer like that, do yourself a favor and get an old Radeon card for crtemudriver. Using HDMI will give you a massive headache
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>>8218135
>That is a consumer set...
But a higher end one, which is the point
The Trinitron is too sharp for 240p and better for 480i/p sources than for 240p

>That's not what jailbars are..
I was being facetious but the point is that obviously devs didn't intend for their games to have very pronounced scanlines
The common TVs that everyone had in 1997 were much less sharper and they aimed for that

Really blank lines like that are a defect(but preferable to upscaling).
The ideal for low res like 240p is coarse mask with a high dot pitch so that you don't see the lines at all or even barely.

FF7 is not supposed to look sharp. The models clearly were meant to look smooth(albeit blurry due to low resolution) and they looked smooth in a shitty ass blurry low-end CRT, the jaggies weren't as noticeable as in that Trinitron. Even SGI Workstations could only produce graphics so fine for the PSX so a shitty CRT hid some of the jaggies in PSX games.
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>>8224936
>I love my CRT but less for anything inherent to the big fuckoff heavy cunt of a box that needs retarded amounts of maintenance, and more for the way it paints a gorgeous image across its screen; the kinda 'magic eye picture' way the gaps between phosphors and scanlines disrupts the visuals on low-res content, with the way my brain fills in those blanks, to make it feel like there's more detail behind the picture than there actually is.
You have a fundamentally wrong understanding of how this shit actually works.
Your brain doesn't actually fill anything(obviously).
In addition to that a typical CRT from the early 90s barely has any scanlines.

As for the gaps between phosphors there's actually less gaps between them then there is between individual pixels in modern HD/4K TV's.
In any case you can't even see the phosphors unless you have a microscope.

To replicate a CRT phosphor mask you need 8K(4:3 8K so 5000+ pixels vertical).

The shaders have been there for years it's just a matter of display technology catching up.
As soon as 8K MicroLED Displays with fuckton of brightness come out the quest is practically over. Only thing left would be recreating the curvedness of the CRT screen(doable with how flexible MicroLEDs are) and maybe there is something to the various glass used in CRTs and how they impact the image which I don't think has ever been studied carefully.
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>>8233995
>>8233995
It's a NUC. Cards aren't an option.

Looks like I'll have to get a hd monitor. That is disappointing.

Can I just use a higher res and a filter? I'm super bummed.
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>>8233873
I haven't tested it myself but i have been told that when you do the 120hz trick there is a black frame introduced between the regular frames and it is noticeable, and that also can produce ghosting.
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>mfw retrogamecablesuk ps1 scart cable that I bought a few years ago has audio buzz
I'm trying to record some gameplay and its driving me crazy. Is there anything I can do about it or did I get jewed for not getting the "premium" cables in the first place. I thought the whole fucking point was that they were a reputable cable maker in the first place.
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So if I'm going HDMI to VGA CRT what is the best resolution to do?
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>>8234060
>>8233901
>what CRT should I get?
anything you can find that isn't a scam
>nuc
most likely it still has vga output
vga to composite/component/svideo shouldn't have any noticeable latency given you're not using the shittiest adapter ever or doing some transcoding fuckery
on windows you can forget about 15khz though, you're gonna have to use linux
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>>8234108
>Linux

And I'm out thanks for the the info guys.
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>>8234113
using groovyarcade is much easier than using crtemudriver on windows but suit yourself I guess
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>>8228803
>Not playing Big Blue Frontend's Final Fight Remake which literally can run at native 120fps or even 240fps(or whatever framerate you want) at any aspect ratio you want(upto 64:9)
>which lets you play with 10 players at once and accepts any controller you throw at it without any hassle
>which also features a surround sound mix and has options of using the original Arcade Music, the X68000 soundtrack(which is the Arcade Music but slightly higher quality) and the Sega CD Arrangements
Never gonna make it
https://archive.org/details/national-gumbo-day-photos-10122021
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Is there really no way to salvage going HDMI to VGA CRT?

It doesn't have to be super accurate, just display ok.

I'M IN A DEPRESSION.
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>>8234148
https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Converter-Adapter-Portable-Connector/dp/B01B7CEOVK/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=tendak+hdmi+vga&qid=1634183259&sr=8-4
should be more than good unless you have a super high end pc monitor
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i love this tv, me and the brothers having a blast hahaha
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>>8232758
Oh.

Well that makes things easier.
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>>8234194
I bought this but everyone's saying it's gonna look like shit.
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>>8234207
what are you trying to do/play again
also thread is about to die
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>>8234212
HDMI to VGA CRT , emulate SNES and old 2D fighters in mame
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new thread >>8234243
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>>8234221
what is your monitor's model
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>>8234221
2560x480p@60hz resolution
retroarch, integer scaling and one of the tvout+interlacing+ntsc presets
adjust the gamma and saturation in the filter options
play the game and have fun

it looks different than a consumer tv set, but still looks pretty good, ignore the shitters saying otherwise
also avoid 240p@120hz, you might get your ""real"" scanline effect but it adds ghosting and games that switch to/run at 480i are not gonna be displayed correctly
hope it helped
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>>8234254
Thank you!!!
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>>8218141
>https://i.imgur.com/jmq9rwa.jpg
Hey anon, I think I just got that same model Sony, a kv27s42? Mind telling me what stand are you using? Looks like an official Sony too.
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>>8234423
It's a kv-32s40 and yes it's on the sony stand.
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>>8234125
Hope this ain't 1.2 gigs of dolphin porn
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>>8234096
No one really makes a good quality scart cable anymore.
You either go full autismo (retroaccess) or just get component cables for 99% of the output performance but a greater assurance of quality.
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>>8235291
Retroaccess are a pain in the dick to order from, retro gaming cables make a great scart cable



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