previous thread >>7915545This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
Is this /g/?
There seems to be some geometry issues near the top of the screen of my PVM 1390. If you look at the edge, you can see it tilts in toward the center just a bit. Is there a way to fix this without having to open the thing up?Also, is there cause to be concern if when powering the monitor on or off there is an initial jiggle? Like it's right as the light turns on or so, the picture expanding on or shrinking off.
>>7964527I don't see anything but have you tried fixing the geometry with the osd menu?
>>7964547From what I can tell there is no such thing on this model.
>>7964495this general has been on /vr/ for ages anon
>>7964593Oh yeah, you're right. Crack it open,it looks easy to do.
>>7964596I know, I was more curious as to how much overlap there is between this genny and the /g/ retro thread
>>7964527I recapped my KX-14CP1 just to be safe. It's my main CRT and I just can't live without it. Take care of yours
>>7964705what keyboard is that?
>>7964718This one: www?msx?org/wiki/Philips_NMS_8280This image isn't mine btw
>>7964705I have a feeling that's something I should do. This isn't my only one, but it's the one I plan on keeping for some time since it could conceivably move with me compared to my 27" Trinitron. The question is how I accomplish most of this without killing myself.
I found a unicorn, Sony KV-25XBR. Afaik one of the only consumer TVs sold in the US with native RGB input. Geometry is a mess probably because the owner had it mounted on a wall at a downward angle as some kind of display TV. I'm not technical enough to fix it sadly and it's beyond the scope of the various knobs and menus. Still not going to prevent me from enjoying it
I have a 360 E that I'm using with an HDMI > s-video adapterShould I track down a model with native component output or is that still going to have lag since it's converting from digital?
Which CRT would be better, a Sony Trinitron KV 9PT50 or a Sony Trinitron KV 27TS27?
>>7964973Like a launch model-tier 360? Go for it I guess, I don't remember experiencing visual lag but the games I played on that model were GTA4 and Dead Rising 2 on that model, which inherently felt laggy to play due to their controls. If you do want to track down one of those models, good luck finding one that hasn't RROD'd or upgraded to the hideous Metro dashboard.
>>7965032Actually scratch that, you're probably better off getting the Slim/S revision. I hear despite the design change they're still compatible with the original 360 component cables.
>>7964793looks nice.>>7964628didn't know about the /g/ retro thread. Seems to mostly be for arguing. I'm sure there's some overlap, but ppl here like CRT's and play games. Well, some of us do :)
>>7964418what are the cons and downsisdes of an HD-CRT if im plannin on using it for to play xbox 360 games? is a pvm better instead?
>>7965302no cons if you want to play 6th gen and later, HD TVs are only a negative for older systems since most upscale 240p in undesirable ways
I’ve got a question: should my RGB scart cables work with my Japanese-modded ps2? Anybody have experience with this?
>>7965551Aaand I forgot to bump the thread
>>7965551it'll workPS1/2/3 have same pinout world wideonly thing is PS1 requires caps on RGB lines while 2/3 don't.Using a PS1 cable on 2/3 is not ideal, but it also doesn't break anything.
>>7965302Most HD CRTs process the image the same way that modern displays do, except we've had a good 15+ years of technological development since then, so expect noticeable input lag with most HD CRTs. Honestly if it's 360 games you're interested in that may not be a huge issue to you. I think a PVM would be superior in most cases, or even a quality PC monitor, but for that generation of gaming I would honestly just stick with flat panels.
Have I gone too deep?
>>7965989yes, but we love you for it
>test out new Trinitron in the livingroom>looks great>put it in my room>picture is suddenly tiltedWhat the fuck is this? Am I getting memed on by le earth magnetism?
>>7967040What am I in for with that?
>>7964705This model is everywhere
>>7965989No. Let us know if it is actually worth going to the trouble.
>>7967808I'd say it was worth, maybe I'm just colourblind to begin with though.
>>7968009Symphony of the Night, Sega Saturn version.
I got an old PC CRT from the early 1990. When I got it it was completely dead. The horizontal transistor was shorted so I replaced it. Now when I turn it on there is an image but it slowly collapses vertically when powered on for a few seconds (picture becomes a line from top to bottom). What do you think could be a cause
>>7968036huh? why are you a girl?>>7968058i would guess bad V output transistors, check out randy fromms videos on this on YT
>>7968093thanksthere also is a burning smell so something is definitely wrong
reminder that crt's are fucking indestructiblehttps://youtu.be/1JGz0E71lr4
reminder that crt's are indestructible (this time with the right timestamp) https://youtu.be/1JGz0E71lr4?t=410
>>7968093You can play as Maria in the Sega Saturn version, it's pretty much the only reason for getting it.
>>7965989what model/software is that? i kinda want to do that with my monitors
anyone got an id on the tv in this?
>>7967945There's no way we can tell from photos so we'll just have to go on your word.
>>7965302Lag, 360’s already work on CRTs anyway and they look greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlb73gE8C4c
>>7966216Yoke could’ve tilted when you moved it, the tend to loosen with time
What actually is the black soot found in old CRT cases?
>>7968294too bad most 360 and PS3 games are letterboxedI wish I had a 16:9 CRT just to play those games. There's something about the fidelity that era where a CRT cleans games up perfectly and makes everything look like prerendered cutscenes from the 5th gen era, it's great.
>>7965989What is that?
>>7968182>>7968568It's an X-rite Colormunki. I used an Extron VSC 500 to ouput HCFR software to an SDTV through component.
>>7968498I had a 16:9 Panasonic Tau. Shit was basically perfect for sixth and seventh gen. The Wii in particular
Anybody have a listing of Sony service menu abbreviations? Trying to figure out if this late 90s Trinitron I have has geometry adjustment capability from the menu. KV-20M40. I'm not expecting miracles since it's composite only but it has a bit of a tilt to it
>>7968754can you break that down a bit simpler for the mentally retarded (me)?
>>7968498Doesn’t bother me too much as I have a 29” CRT and some games do still have a 4:3 option
>>7968814>Tiltadjust the yoke, factory settings aren't going to help since the capacitors are near-30 years old.
>>7968830https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3awkkAILIThis guy has a 4 part series that goes into meticulous detail on everything.But to sum things up: 1.Buy a Colorimeter(colormunki is the best, since it doesn't go bad like old Spyders do)2.Buy a scaler that downscales HD to component 480i or 240p. viable options: VSC 500, Retrotink 5x, GBS-C.3.Download and run HCFR software from your PC, outputting to your CRT. 4.Run the Greyscale test and try to get each ▲E value under 2.0 at least. There are 10 values under 10,20,30, etc...5(bonus). You can run the Colour calibration to see what happens, but there's a snow's chance in hell you're going to have perfect greys and colours on a consumer set. It's better to focus on getting a great Greyscale instead.
There aren't any TVs or monitors with modern technology but at 480p are there?
>>7964418What's the verdict in China universal board replacements?I'm going to try to repair the board I gave, but if that doesn't work I'm curious about these...Only thing is I might lose the front panel controls, but I can just attach the IR receiver in the same place and use a remote. No big deal.
>>7968854isnt the i1 Display Pro better?
>>7969707Probably, but apparently some colorimeters don't work on CRTs, and the Colormunki is the only one that I was 100% sure would work.
>>7969672what is this all about?
whats the intended color temp for retro gaming
>>7970201Essentially a barebones universal (not really universal, but there are a bunch of variations) crt PCB, that you can swap out your broken one for. They're made in China and seem to be popular in India (I assume they're used in china for repairs as well, but have no way of knowing that).AV only, which is meh, but if there's little other option to repair a particular tv its a "beggers can't be choosers" situation.I was just hoping someone here had some experience with them. They have flyback transformers and come with remotes and replacement panel etc. But ofc the replacement panel won't fit whatever TV you have so you either have to put it somewhere else by carving a hole in your chassis like a fucking lunatic, or just position the IR receiver in place of your old one and go remote-only.I kinda wonder how hard it would be to wire my existing front panel to one of these but fuckingshrugemojiHere's a shitty video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs-FAp3pUk0
>>7971062>replacement panelI mean front panel controls.Anyway.
>>7968854>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3awkkAILI>"retro gaming CRTs"yep, not worth watching
>>7967945Even the thumbnail shows a more neutral color, especially in the clouds on the after, so you did something right>>7971327Cry moar. The guy's thing is using CRTs for old games but the video series itself is a pretty good explanation of the sensor, software and what he's doing. Still feels like overkill
>>7970837Depends, But typically:Japanese: 9300kAmerican/Europe: 6500kBest thing to do is pay attention to white levels. Whites are too blue? switch to 6500k. White are smokey? Switch to 9300k
Are there any sort of beginner guides on how to do maintenance and take care of CRTs?Not expecting to watch a video and suddenly be able to convert a cheapass consumer television into a professional monitor, I'm just interested in learning shit like replacing the capacitors and what not to touch if I do take a CRT apart.
>>7971560Retrotech is a good channel. Search it for discharging to see how to make a tool to discharge a tv and some repair tips. Including capacitors and such
>>7971560cap replacement may be better served by looking for videos on proper soldering/desoldering technique. You don't want to go in and butcher shit even if you have a general idea of what needs to be replaced
>>7964418I like that pic.Any info?
Any /crt/ bros in the Toronto area? I have an HP P1110 I'm looking to give away for free. It's a 21" Trinitron tube, same as the Dell P1110 that the Kijiji cunts are all overcharging for. Overall good shape but the G2 voltage is a little off, so the picture is slightly bright. I'd prefer that this go to someone here who needs a good PC monitor rather than one of several perennial CRT hoarders I know of.>>7965883I had a 32" Panasonic HD-CRT when I was in university, which was left behind by the previous tenants who occupied my rented townhouse. Used that TV for 3 years, played a lot of PS3 games on it (inb4 PS3 has no games), good TV. Honestly, the lag was extremely minimal, no different from a modern television. However, I do remember noticing that my N64 was hopelessly laggy when we plugged it in, especially compared to the shitty little 13" Toshiba I had in my room. I think that the 7th generation consoles may have been designed with the processing time in mind and somehow got around it.
>>7972097i wish i was in toronto but im below you and the borders are still shut down til august. so if you still have it by then id gladly pick it up
>>7964530I have the same pvm, we're bros. now.
>>7964495/g/'s CRT thread is combined with their retrocomputing general now
>>7972508Interesting, what's it called?
>>7972509I'm not going to shill their shitty thread here, find out yourself
>>7972518Rude.>>7972509Here you go, anon.>>>/g/82643718>>7965265>Seems to mostly be for arguing.Luckily the CRT shill problem has been mostly solved.
>>7971881it's a philips 28pt4456 with the L9.1 chassis. if you get one get a model with the L04 chassis since it has better service menu adjustments and thicker scanlines if you're into that. game is dodonpachi
>>7974118These Philips are great but they left RGB Bias controls out for whatever reason
>>7964793Cool tv. I'll buy the button cover from you>I found a unicornGo back to r*ddit
>>7974480What's with that stand with the foot buttons on it?
>>7972097you might be better off asking the /retro/ thread in /g/
I just love crt's :3
Can I fix this from the service menu?
god, I hate fucking Samsung is Trinitron really worth it? I think I'm just gonna try to get that shit in the next few weeks, is there a way to quickly fix the colors of the CRT if it was under heavy use?
>>7975707What’s wrong with Samsung?
>>7975707>is there a way to quickly fix the colors of the CRT if it was under heavy use?you can fix the white point balance if it's pushing to a certain hue (ie yellowed screen), but the luminance output will never be the same
Is it true that CRTs will not break for 50 years?
>>7976327Eh, problems start to surface around 20-30.
>>7976327>your tv needs an updateImagine being so idiotic that you buy a fucking smarttv.
>>7976386The don’t make “dumb” TVs anymore. If you need a new screen then you have no choice.
>>7974118hey there thx
>>7976398Technically not true if you're willing to pretend that your 28" monitor is a mini-tv. AFAIK they're the only ones that don't have these pointless features built in.
>>7976616They make 55" and bigger LCD monitors now.
>>7976398Take the plasma pill anon
>>7975006It's power, channel and volume buttons
>>7976781Aren't the colours inaccurate compared to OLED?
>>7975793the fucking service menu
>>7976647I'd really like to get one of those colossal monitors but they're pretty damn expensive, any time I start eyeing one down I always realize it's like 2000$. Makes sense considering those 500$ smart tvs make their money back on data collection.
>>7976647>been using 37-40" LCD TVs as a main monitor for roughly a decadeI really should finally update to a 4k, also been debating a curved screen but it seems those aren't really being made anymore... wouldn't mind going to up to 50"
>>7977062It's not far behind, better than garbage backlit panelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLdkiyYeod8
Bought a sears console tv from 1986
>>7977237the only thing you should know about tv picture quality is, get a panasonic if you can
>>7977335The TV we had when I was a kid was very similar.Not sure what brand though.I dig it.
>>7977338Looks like there's some warping going on but you really have to look to see it
>>7977338>>7977427Horizontal lines are all fucked up
Currently updating my pc, and have an rx 570 thinking of either using passive displayport to VGA cable that connects to a VGA to component adapter. https://www.retrotekshop.com/products?pn=VGACTV2Either that or get another gpu with VGA support and switch out when using the crt tv. I would love to go the adapter route, but I'm not sure exactly what's the most sound decision.>I texted My old ThinkPad with the VGA to component passive cable and the TV responded to the connection but no picture showed up on the screen
>>7978180Many HDMI/display port to VGA adapters can't effectively do 240p. I remember there being people online with success on specific adapters, I would try to search for those.>Passive cableWhat do you mean by that and why did you expect running VGA signals into component to work
>>7978186I thought they were both analog lol>Passive cableIt's a term I heard thrower around in fourms and videos of ppl trying connect their devices to a crt monitor. Maybe it's saying it doesn't a actively convert the signal. I don't know the exact meaning, but when I google the phrase VGA to component cables popped up.
>>7975707JVC Panasonic Grundig etc. are as good as sonys
What are some legit sites and sellers to buy s-video cables for various consoles from?
>>7977742Looks better, good job
>>7978240These cables can work, but it's entirely dependent on the device and display. I use one to send component to the VGA port on projectors.
I'm currently using a 9' Sharp CRT connected to my modern PC through an HDMI2AV converter. It's nice for 4:3 video, but the composite signal leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't mesh super well with PC resolutions. Would it be worth it to pick up a proper CRT PC monitor with a VGA adaptor to my PC?I'm mostly using it for anime and probably some light emulation; I'm not looking for a proper full time CRT. I have a nice one with an S-Video input for my retro consoles already. This is more for a nice tabletop filler.
>>7979623It would certainly look better if you're trying for old DOS-era VGA stuff. I forgot how fucking much space they take up though, and I have a relatively deep desk
So, somehow i managed to bag an HP ENVY laptop free, an m6-n113dx, with a Radeon cpu.and surprisingly CRT emudriver works decently with it. so my question here is, what is the best and cheapest working adapter to connect from the laptop to a TV, be it HDMI2YPbPr or VGA2YPbPr.or at least to know, what does an adaptor need to work?
>>7979793What does your display accept
Im thinking of getting a Sony consumer model CRT. nothing too fancybut im debating if i should get a 29 inch Trinitron. or a WEGA with component for PS2 stuff. Is it even worth it. I kinda dislike flatscreens because of the actual distorted tube image.
>>7979883Component for 6th gen is pretty goddamn worth it
>>7972141I might still have it by then but no guarantees. It’s over at my parents’ house and my mom wants me to get rid ASAP. Personally I would prefer to keep it but I have two other 21” screens so kind of hard to make the case for that.>>7975078I generally regard /g/ as a cuntish zoomed board but the retro thread might be good. I’ll be back here in late August to see if my American friend still wants it.Some dickhead in the Dirty Shwa has a Dell P1110 listed on Kijiji for $150 right now. I hate these cunts.
>>7976327CRTs actually have fantastically low service lives compared to Plasmas. Most CRTs were designed for about 20,000 to 30,000 hours of use, whereas a Plasma can go 60,000 hours easy, and some of them will even do 100,000 hours. In terms of tech, Plasma was a huge upgrade, the only issue was the input lag. LCD is shittier in every way aside from “muh thin” and “Muh elemtricitee”>>7976781These Pioneers were so good. Although Panasonic also made some kickass panels.>>7977361For Plasmas. Panasonic only made so-so CRTs, but the Tau series is pretty good.
>>7979869Its an LG Flatron CP-29q54pa. it has both composite and YPbPr input, i managed to get 240p work thru component in a PS2 and a modded Wii
>>7979958Panasonic still make the best picture quality on current screens is what I meant, even though they use LG panels, they tend to still look better than LGs range
Is there any way to connect a pc for retroarch on component/composite cables for a good 240p? Any device that can do that?
>>7980470If your laptop has VGA output, get a vga-->ypbpr transcoder.
>>7980609Ok, the laptop has an HDMI output, i can connect it to a regular VGA monitor with a HDMI2VGA adaptor, as such i managed to test if shit works or not.would that transcoder still work on that situation?
>>7980678In that case I would get this https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32896942663.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&spm=a2g0s.12269518.104.22.168a14827Ua1DIo and read this thread (inb4 r*ddit) https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/awqolc/get_high_quality_240p_from_your_pc_to_your_tv/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
I picked up this KV-27xbr36 that's a really nice set for free, but the colors are absolutely fucked in the top right/left corner.I know for a fact that the set has been dropped, but everything inside looks like it's aligned still. I can place a magnet on the back of the tube to mostly fix the upper right portion.Is there any way to fix this, or is the set junk?
>>7980714So this converter model in particular works 100%? i bought a HDMI2YPbPr before, not the same model, and it didnt worked, neither with my old CPU, nor this laptop.i do imagine this might be annoying, but yeah, i just want to be 100% sure im not wasting more money as this prolly will be my last shot.
>>7980751It's the same one as the guy in the thread used, but I can't vouch for it personally. What do you mean that your converters didn't work? Are you sure you were outputting 240p?
>>7980768i followed the regular CRT emudriver setup guide. and when i tried to connect the laptop to the TV, and activated EDID emulation i ended with a bunch of purple static.this is the guide i used, theres no images, but the instructions are clear enough.:https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1052#p1052as i said, the converter i have is not the same design or model of the one you are mentioning, so i do believe that the problem is from the converter.
I have this cheap little JVC CRT. I think it was a cheap crappy TV to start with since it only has coax for input. Anyway I've been playing SNES and NES on it for awhile just because I have it. It has these diagonal lines tho and the color has a sorta blue/purple washed out look. Is this dead/dieing or is just a shitty TV and never looked good?
>>7980736Does it degauss itself when it turns on? If so, it might fix itself over time. Had a set that looked very similar that got progressively better every time I turned it on until it was totally gone.
>>7980872The degaussing coil does work, but doesn't really seem to improve it at all.
What is the cleanest, no-bullshit CRT shader within Retroarch in your guy's opinion? I'm not interested in something that necessarily emulates the fuzzy, blurry look of CRTs, I want sharp pixels and relatively accurate colors to original artwork.Pic related is the absolute closest to my vision that I've come across, and I've tested a ton of shaders. It's a modified version of CRT-Geom that I made myself. Turned the sharpess to 3.00, turned off the curvature, turned off the interlacing, turned the output/monitor gamma (I don't remember which) to 2.20. Can anyone provide some input?
how do i into recapping a monitor? i know its soldering work but whats the specific deal?
>>7972204Hey me too, drove 6 hours the other day to pick one of these up on the cheap. Love the size and look of this one.
>>7980846man turn down the brightness dafuq
>>7981535That helped with the color a bit. Are the lines being skewed a bit diagonal normal tho? I don't really notice them with a game on.
>>7981691ive heard this referred to as "retrace lines"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3AmARntochttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WxCuGwmJjolook for broken caps i guess? i dont speak pajeet so that second video is only good for seeing the same apparent issue
>>7980992open it, remove all boards, identify capacitors, order them, de-solder the old ones, install the new ones.
>>7981691Open it up, find the brightness potentiometer on the side of the flyback, and adjust
>>7980984if you want sharp pixels and accurate colors then pretty much every single shader can fulfill that for you. ironically the crappier the crt the more complex and resource intensive the shader needs to be. if you spend more time fiddling with shaders than actually playing the game you're doing it wrong