>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and history>it's just typical good vs. evil shit "link you're good so go kill Ganon because he's evil"Man I used to like this game but in time I've come to even hate it thanks to its fanbase overrating the crap out of it.There are better game regarding plot, setting, gameplay, graphics, controls, design, everything. Is this the single most overrated game of all time due to blindness alone?
It’s not perfect, but it’s damn good nonetheless. Also, the later 3D Zelda games felt like downgrades in comparison
>>7709305What about what I said about the plot?
Basic plot, near perfect execution
Even if the plot is basically standard stuff, Ocarina of Time still has the best presentation of its story in the franchise. From Link's dream, the goddess stories, even secondary characters like Saria. The N64 Zeldas really are the best the franchise has to offer with storytelling and atmosphere. Every Zelda since OOT has recycled at least some of Ocarina's plot elements, which says a lot about the game, I feel. And it's become progressively more difficult to care about the story, plot or characters in every Zelda since. Nearly every major character in BOTW is a rehash of an OoT character, for example.
>>7709330BotW had major characters aside Link and Zelda?
>>7709286>>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and historyThis has literally never happened. Ever.
>>7709324It’s like a porn movie plot, I don’t care.
>>7709286>hate it thanks to its fanbaseshit happens, game is still pretty good for being over two decades old, but there's a whole slew of games available now && yea internet culture is vastly different
>>7709286People don't praise it for the plot. They praise it for the beautiful world.
>>7709334It did around the time it came out but I don't think people really do it today. You have to understand the context of the time was that Nintendudes (wich I was among at the time) were taking some copium because FF7 and other story-heavy games were huge on the PS1 and the N64's comparatively small storage capabilities on cartridge meant it was an uphill battle to makes games as "cinematic" as the PS1 could. So when OOT came out we all acted like it was our answer to FF7 even though they're not really comparable, so people made it seem like it had this amazing, mature story and not just "bad man steal princess and ruin world." This is also why Zelda was called an "RPG" for so long, because the N64 had no RPGs and RPGs were "the" genre of the time.
>>7709412So basically coping?
>>7709286>best plot>good vs. evilYes.
>>7709286You seem to be the kind of guy who asks why people praise Tetris if it's just squares falling
>>7709434This. It's exactly what it needed to be.
>>7709412Zelda has been called an rpg since the first game on NES.
>>7709412RPG has become a more defined term, it used to be homogeneous with fantasy adventures
>>7709286>good game bad because people like itOkay retard
>>7709667I'm just sick of people acting like this game is something bigger than it really is.
>>7709790How old were you when you played it most?
>>7709286there is a new contrarian thread attacking this game everyday. stop pretending like this game is universally praised. reddit hates it and thinks windwaker is better.in fact, liking this game will soon be considered contrarian.
>>7709802I never actually played it. Egoraptor said it's bad so it's bad. Have you seen his video on Megaman X? He is a goddamn genius.
>>7709850I never said you CAN'T have that, I'm just saying other games are equally as simple and shat on but it's groundbreaking when Zelda does it.
>>7709925which game is equally as good
>>7709434OoT is more “divine intervention” than it is “power of friendship”.
>>7709790it's impossible to overstate the leap in the industry from whence this game launched
>>7709412>This is also why Zelda was called an "RPG" for so long, because the N64 had no RPGs and RPGs were "the" genre of the time.Can you believe people would lie like this one the internet?>pic related>Zelda 1 is from 1986(famitsu 1st edition)>Zelda 2 is from 1988(also famitsu)>Zelda 3 is from 1993(from The Super Famicom)
>>7709951Any other game with a "good vs. evil" "bad guy kidnaps princess" deal.
>>7710125Nintendo was a freaking laughingstock with the N64, if anyone made a leap it was Sony.
>>7710242what an idiotic argument
>>7709305>The later 3D zelda games felt like downgradesThis. I got MM on 3ds at release and I got to the Great Bay and just...stopped caring. Shame because the gyroscopic controls for the arrows were a fun change.
>>7710294All MM fans consider the 3DS version disappointing.
>>7710305>All MM fanswhy do you say this? you act like people who like majoras mask are a secret fan club which normal zelda fans arent a part of.
>>7710309lol not trying to act like MM has a unique fan base no other Zelda has, was just letting the guy know that the 3DS version is considered disappointing by a lot who grew up with the N64 version. There's more divide between this port than there is with the OoT port.
>>7710309It is a secret club, since only plebs prefer any other Zelda titleWe are...The Console of Based Minds.
My least favourite Zelda. Played it late though so there's that.
>>7710249They both did. Zelda was considered a huge leap for video games at the same time the industry was also saying Metal Gear Solid was too in different ways.
>>7709286I've never heard anybody praise the game's plot.People like this game for the feeling of exploring a fleshed-out world full of fascinating characters and mysterious secrets, gaining access to new areas with your ever-increasing arsenal of tools and abilities.The plot is just there. It checks the box. If you need to make (yet another) contrarian Zelda thread, spend a minute or two to find a better premise than this spurious strawman.
>>7709286https://youtu.be/ss3plkO18BAGerudos are cool
>>7709286>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and historywhat the fuck no
>>7709872People still reference that video when talking about OoT? He must have impressed a lot of people with his incredible insight.
>>7711368Arin lost all credibility when he proved he CAN'T PAY BASIC ATTENTION to in-game text and blames it for his stupidity. In the end he attacked a popular game just to gather attention. Anyone can sound convincing and super smart if you shout buzzwords with a sure voice.
The Jews are God's people
>>7712010Jews are literally left path occultists that feed Moloch. wouldn't count on that bucko.
>>7709286if you begin disliking a game because of its fans, or hype, you are no better than a hipster disliking something because of its popularity
>>7709790they dont, you are creating strawman arguments in your head
>>7710631this, note that OP failed to respondobvious trollshould be banned
>>7710238Yes anon, japs have a retarded definition of what an rpg is, we know.
>>7709925except the OP is a bullshit strawman and no one ever said OOT has the best plot ever. It was groundbreaking in terms of gameplay.
>>7709286Besides maybe Majora's Mask, I've never seen anyone praise the plot of a Zelda game.
>>7709286it's more about the atmosphere than the plot
>>7709850>SYMPATHETIC VILLAINS AND MORALLY QUESTIONABLE PROTAGONISTSThese things are absolutely fantastic when done right.
>>7712109atmosphere lol whatthe only thing that's in zelda's atmosphere is death mountainbrb gonna listen to some black metal
>>7709286Is there any game out there that has been crippled by fans headcanon more than Zelda? These games are blatantly made up on the spot.
>>7712387>Is there any game out there that has been crippled by fans headcanon more than Zelda?Metroid
>>7712342Black metal is for faggots
>>7712387>Is there any game out there that has been crippled by fans headcanon more than Zelda?What do you mean? The post-hoc justifications for various timelines and such are frequently silly, but the individual games are often cleverly thought out and full of clearly intentional details.
>>7709286>the best plot of all time and historylol no
>>7709327when you tell the same story a dozen times you get better at it
>>7709286>>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and historyWhen and where?People praise the game for being fun. I've never seen or heard a single person, irl or on the internet, talk about the story as a high point. Everyone recognizes that it's just a simple Good vs. Evil story with some time travel thrown in, so people don't even go out of their way to mention it at all.Quit making up people to get mad at.
>>7709286Wait, there exist people who actually consider the plot of Zelda to be the greatest of all time?
>>7709286>I've come to even hate it thanks to its fanbase overrating the crap out of it.Fuck, if I thought like that I'd never play another playstation game.
The plot is nothing too special. But when it comes to the basic Zelda formula I was impressed just how fantastic it's execution was when I replayed it a few years ago. The tone, atmosphere, and flowery romanticized dialogue, it all hit right that I feel no other game in the series remotely comes close.(Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask actually have better stories but they are much more subverted from the traditional Zelda formula, and Wind Waker has the best characterization)
>>7709449>>7709412>long and very well worded reply that fosters discussion>"strawman", "this"
>>7712342based blogpost, but go listen to good metal instead
>>7709286I've never heard anyone praise this game for its plot. It's praised for its innovations in 3D gaming, and it's presentation which lends considerably to the sense of adventure it can evoke, especially for folks like me that played this for the first time as a 5 year old. I love this game dearly, but not because of the story. Exploring the world and discovering its secrets is the story I remember, and that's what Zelda has always been fundamentally about.
>>7712652You’ve never paid attention to a Zelda game’s story.
>>7715557>long and very well worded reply that fosters discussionnot the guy you're replying to but when the other guy is strawmanning this hard, there's no need to say much else
HUH HEH HEH HAH HUH HAH HAH HEH
Making me really want to pick up my save file (3DS or N64, I'm at the same place in both) but I really don't have the time lately.
>>7709286>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and historyWow, wrong on the first sentence, not even going to waste time reading the rest. Nobody says it's an amazing mind blowing plot, it's just an extremely well told Hero's Journey story with good pacing and emotional beats.
>>7710294I don’t think of MM as a downgrade, it’s more like a companion piece.
I've never heard anyone praise OoT for the plot. I feel like you're just making something up to be mad about
Nobody praises oot for the plot. It's got great atmosphere and some memorable characters, and it felt better than any other 3d action game with swords at that time.
>>7720536Same, but the 3DS port left something to be desired. Not sure what or why really.
Personally, I find the it interesting how 3 different timelines stem from it>Ganondorf kills LINKLeads to LttP, Zelda 1 and Zelda 2>Link goes back in time to inform the King about GanondorfTwilight Princess>Adult Link seals GanonWind Waker
>>7721496>still thinking the Zelda timeline is an actual thingThe supposed timeline was just shat by Miyamoto and Aonuma to shut fans up. You can see it's built in a "a wizard did it" hastily kind of way.
>>7721525Most of the future games do reference the events of OoT in some way though.
>>7721528Not in really important ways. They do it because that kind of fanservice is what Zelda fans eat up every time.
>>7721540>Not in really important wayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksHrg_tSGqw
>>7721548I wasn't including TP
>>7709305MM is a direct upgrade
>>7709286>Playing game for the storyKill yourself ps1 rpg faggot, you don't need to write 15000 lines of dialogue to make something good. OoT is a marvel of a game, it not about story, is about mood, gameplay, sound and visuals and how everything fits together perfectly in the context of the game. Also the story is very subtle about themes like growing up, how things change for bad and for good and how we need to confront it.
>>7721946based and true
>>7721946>you don't need to write 15000 lines of dialogue to make something good.This. OoT Got everything across that it needed to with a very minimal amount of dialogue "brevity is the soul of wit". To this day no other game has done the classic/traditional Journey of the Hero as well as it did. The fact that it managed to move so many people emotionally even to the point of tears while big budget Jarpigs with an encyclopedia sized script failed miserably at that goal is absolutely hilarious.Games where story is the entire point to the detriment of everything else got completely dunked on by a gameplay centric title with a heavily traditional and simple story that has been told thousands of times before. A story not bringing anything new to the table doesn't make it bad, sometimes "Hero kicks the badguys butt and saves the princess and world" is all you need.
>>7709286>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and historyliterally nobody has made this argument ever. best game of all time is often stated, factoring the entire experience as a whole, but nobody in the world has ever said it has the best plot in all of time and history. see pic.
>>7722013>OoT Got everything across that it needed to with a very minimal amount of dialogue "brevity is the soul of wit". I don't agree with this at all. There are long periods where there are a ton of dialogue, like talking to kid Zelda and the Deku treeNot saying it's a bad thing or I disagree with the rest of your post, far from it, but I vaguely remembered thinking there was a good amount dialogue when I replayed it
>>7709286>>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and historyNobody has ever said this. Ever. Show me even one example. Go ahead.
>>7721946>reddit spacingopinion discarded
>>7722995He's obviously saying it has minimal dialogue compared to the JRPGs of the time, and hell even a lot of the action adventure games
>>7722186>>7723026>Do I fit in yet???
>>7709286The plot's not great, but the lore is pretty compelling, especially when it's fleshed-out in Twilight Princess there's some real grimdark shit implied like Gerudo genocide.
>>7723892>especially when it's fleshed-out in Twilight Princess there's some real grimdark shit implied like Gerudo genocide.fucking what?
>>7709286>caring about plot in a video gameGames journalist are cancer.
>>7723161Oh, fair enough then.
>>7709286No one says OOT has the best plot in history. OOT is an example of perfect game design, which is only limited by being an N64 and not a N64DD game. Even if other Zeldas expand on its concepts (which were all prototyped during OOT's development, even the openness of BOTW), OOT doesn't have the flaws the newer entries have. Namely, OOT has nearly perfect pacing. It gets the story across without forced handholding, tutorials and endless cutscenes that newer games have
>>7709286Freedom and gameplay are unparalleled. Story though? Who plays a game for a plotline. Lmao
>>7709286>People praise this game as having the best plot of all time and historyWho? Name one.