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/CRT/ general: Lethal Weapon edition
previous thread >>7400427

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
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>>7454582
How do you even find CRTs without shipping them cross country? I've looked on every local ad and sale bracket and craigslist for my area within 100 miles and I can't find a single decent CRT that's in the 19-30 inch range unless it's extremely old with nothing but RF connectors. Any good recommendations for finding these without going to ebay?
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Anyone tried modding a CRT with digital potentiometers?
So that instead of having to manually adjust a knob for things like horizontal and vertical size for different system you could just load up a profile with an arduino or something
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>>7454652
Are you in Bumfuck, Wyoming?
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>>7454783
I'm in a relatively rural area but I've got multiple urban environments around me and I'm near the eastern seaboard - I can get decent internet but I can't find anything worth a damn except for '99 lincolns
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Question for you NTSC CRT fags:

I don't know if this is a thing already because i have no interest in using a CRT, but why not use a PAL CRT TV that does 60hz? Most of them did 60hz by the late 90's here in the UK. I'd often play my Dreamcast at 60hz back then. PAL has a higher resolution, more scan lines. Whenever i see pics/vids of NTSC CRT's they always look like shit, more blurry and the horizontal scan lines are definitely more visible. I often see people after high quality CRT's with good image quality, so why not just go for 60hz PAL?
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>>7454814
Sucks to suck, I guess. Just keep your eyes peeled.
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>>7454818
Pretty sure most PAL CRTs, 60hz capable or not, won't accept an NTSC signal without fucking up the colours. If the TV accepts RGB though and you use an NTSC console with RGB out it should be fine.
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>>7454862
Most models do actually, any half way decent brand like panasonic, sony or toshiba did anyway.
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>>7454862
Well, you are pretty wrong too
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almost went out a got a free 32in flatscreen trinitron, but decided my back was more important.
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>>7454935
dyel?
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>>7454783
I am unironically in Wyoming.
I'm also this guy >>7454935
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>>7454935
>he doesn't have friends willing to help him load up a TV
I am truly sorry to hear that. Maybe find a homeless person to help you for a few bucks?
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>>7454935
Eh, if you can find a curved screen (with component is best), do that. Flat screens, 99.9% of the time, have geometry issues.
>inb4 that one dickhead posts the perfect geometry flatscreen image
Obviously there are exceptions, but don't expect perfect or great geometry right from the go without calibrating the shit out of it.
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>>7454941
I have friends and family across the country, but I am new to Wyoming so no friends. I have maybe one family member who could help me, and I don't want to break his back either.
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>>7454871
>any half way decent brand like panasonic, sony or toshiba did anyway
Dunno about Sony or Panasonic but I can say with absolute confidence that you're completely wrong about Toshiba.
Reason I know this is because I've owned a lot of re-badged Toshiba TVs over the years and not a single fucking one has supported NTSC signals over composite.
Fun fact: throughout the 70's and 80's Toshiba was one of the largest consumer electronic OEMs. And they did all sorts of price points from very very cheap to the highest-end stuff money could buy.
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>>7454818
Because it's hard to justify the cost of importing one when I can find a NTSC unit for free of maybe like $30.
>>7454665
i'd also like to know this
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I'll try to snap a pic later but my Magnavox has what looks like a pinkish cloud in the upper right-hand side of the screen that tints everything in the radius. I've already to the best of my ability removed anything causing magnetic interference, degaussed several times (the manual claims you can force it by holding the power button) and even tried a degaussing wand but it's still there. Is this symptomatic of something unrelated to magnets?
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>>7455426
That's caused by the Earth's magnetic field. Try rotating the CRT to face a different direction. I keep mine facing north. If you have a good set, you should be able to adjust a setting in the service manual called "Landing". This will correct the discolored corner.
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How much should I pay for a 13" pvm?
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>>7455651
buck fiddy
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>>7455651
Brand? Inputs? Any burn in? These are what determine the answer.
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>>7455426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsVuMRTCX5Y
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>>7454652
If you live in poor rural areas it's likely that your Goodwills still stock CRTs. I've encountered some that won't take ones bigger than 14" and others that have 27" ones for $2.
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normie friend has a trinitron i've been wanting since i was like 16, 3 years later and now he's giving it to me
it pays to wait bros, i'm finally joining muh secret club
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whats the best way to play gb/gba games on a crt? 240p or 480p?
(Yes, I know there is gonna be letterboxing, that's not the point)
pic isn't mine before you retards go apeshit like last time
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>>7455920
>retards going apeshit
normal day on /vr/
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>>7455917
thats cool and all but what model before im already going to say its trash
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Finally hooked a dreamcast to this bad boy
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>>7455990
youre the diamondtron 930sb guy? looks good my nigga
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>>7454652
Ask friends and acquaintances.
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>>7454818
Probably because you guys use 240 volts. We usually only have 240 in our kitchen and maybe garage.

What would the power frequency do too?
Your power is 50 hz as well as your video.

Our 240v is still 60 hz.

Anyways giving an example of my US marketed Compaq VGA CRT, it won't do PAL interlaced, however I can do progressive. I think it does 720x576p.

Like yesterday I was playing some PAL videos from files on the computer.

Files that were 25 or 50 fps.

50hz flickers too much for me, so I can do 100hz, I think up to around 800x600 resolution. Looks smooth.
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>>7456041
>Your power is 50 hz as well as your video.
Americans really deserve composhit and Shit-video
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>>7455920
There is no such thing as mass produced 240p TVs or monitors.

Old consoles were made with NTSC and PAL interlaced output in mind.

240 was just a cost and technical limitation for hardware and software.

They were not meant to output a 240p modulated image.

VGA was standardised at 640x480 minimum interlaced or progressive.

There's been some oddball off standard VGA modes that might do lower resolution, but that may be trial and error between cards and monitors.
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>>7456067
50hz flicker looks like trash as is the humm it makes.
I feel bad for the Japanese who have to weigh both.
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>>7455990
DAMN, is that DC modded? It looks so goddamn CRISPY, Zangief and the Clock look like fucking 4K
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I'm planning to use my 29" SD Sony Wega CRT TV (it has s-video and component inputs, plus a subwoofer on top) as a second PC monitor via an adapter.
I bought a cheapo HDMI to Component/YPbPr (pic related), and it doesn't work on the CRT or even on modern TV with PC and consoles (PS4, PS3). It does work with the streaming box of a local TV cable service, but only on modern HD TVs.
Looking at some videos, the Musou HDMI to Component converter seems to work, even on SD CRT TVs, but also the H2CS Universal converter. I read that the latter has some problems with drifting image, and the former with the sound (it lowers the sound volume).
Which one you guys recommend or should I go for a HDMI to S-video converter (really, there's not much difference between component and s-video on an SD CRT TV, both are much better than composite)?
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>>7456116
Sorry, here's a pic of that cheapo adapter.
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>>7456108
Is this a bait?
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>tfw just got an extremely high end crt monitor for dirt cheap but can't test its beauty until cables come
>cables were guaranteed to come today
>they didn't
>mfw
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>>7456126
what crt and cables did you get my nigga?
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>>7454818
NTSC broadcast cameras can go higher than the nominal 525 lines. Hitachi made NTSC broadcast cameras that do 800-850 lines. Some security cameras are also this way.
I think many Trinitron TVs also go higher.
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>>7456067
And you deserve the shittiest release version of every game ever made
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>>7456121
No.

You're just probably a European who has never seen 60hz.

Some people are really sensitive with flicker fusion threshold.

When I want to watch PAL on a CRT so it doesn't look like shit I set it to 100hz.
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>>7456129
Some obscure security monitor, but the tubes inside are the same as the ones in the pro JVC monitors. The set is a 15 inch screen with 800 lines, which is higher than the majority of SONY PVMs.
It only has 1 BNC input and 1 S Video input, which is fine. S Video cables are what I ordered.
It has an onscreen display and a bunch of other shit so eventually I may RGB mod but it's not a priority since S Video is great in the meantime.
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>>7456116
I don't know about those HDMI in to S-video out converters.

I have one of those generic blue case VGA to S-video and composite converters.

It supports an assortment of resolutions.
NTSC and PAL output.
4:3, 16:10, and 16:9 if I remember with the aspect ratios.

I have also used it with a generic HDMI to VGA converter.
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Well, foo?
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>>7456209
calibrate that thing
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>>7456219
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>>7456110
The Dreamcast outputs native VGA. It's one of the few consoles that feels right at home on a PC CRT.
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>>7454652
Don't forget to check the free section of craigslist. To most people these things are a burden. I have also had luck with the search term "s-video". Good luck anon, I believe in you.
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>>7456105
ok but this doesn't answer my question
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>>7456139
>You're just probably a European who has never seen 60hz.
Anon....
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>>7456110
I was genuinely surprised how clean dreamcast looks this thing. Like you said 480p looks like a hd+ picture. I know it's not retro but this is how ps3 looks on it if anyone's interested.
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>>7456371
Shit has no right looking that good, well fucking done lad
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>>7456384
>>7455995
Thanks brother's.
I remember someone once posted here that pc crt are the final Redpill. That may be true for 31khz and up, but since most of them doesn't support anything lower than that it's a good to have 2 displays. One for 240p-480i and another for 480p+
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>>7455651
not much, I sold mine for about $100 couple of years ago
13" is too small for games
>>7456371
I need an HD CRT
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>>7456431
A lot of people play games on 13" CRTs, no need to exaggerate
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>>7456431
Be sure to not pick up one of those "100hz" ones since they have a lot of digital processing that produces lag. You're best bet is a pc crt.
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>>7456371
sometimes I like to play modern pc games on my CRT monitor, in some games the hud and/or text elements look like absolute dogshit at lower resolutions (see pic), but the games themselves always look fucking amazing, whether you're playing at 640x480 or 1400x1050
pic is 800x600 zoomed in to shit, it doesn't really do justice to how it looks in person
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>>7456478
I'm in the middle of putting my pc together but I wasn't even planning on buying an lcd for it. Do you think that daily user experience is manageable on a crt?
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>>7456497
The one I have displays up to 1600×1200
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>>7456447
I owned a second hand Philips Cineos: 32", widescreen, CRT HDTV with HDMI input.
On HDMI, it had noticeable input lag (sometimes as bad as crappy LCD and LED TVs) and since it had 100hz digital processing, it forced the frames, which is not good, specially for shooters and fighting games. On component video it was much better. The TV sadly, crapped out on me, that particular model is prone to several malfunctions and overall not a long service life. The Sony FD Trinitron Wega XBR CRT HDTVs never came to my country, but I guess that they are much better (and also more expensive) than anything that Philips shat out. Kinda like its name suggest, it it's pretty good for watching cable TV, movies, series, both in 16:9 and 4:3 (if you don't mind the vertical black bars), but not good for games. Also, since it had HDMI, you could use modern streaming boxes without adapters, provide the HDMI out won't belly up, or the upscaler can also malfunction, rendering both the HDMI and the component inputs useless or only take the sound signal.
Then again, probably Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, are much better, but since most of them are 100hz, they aren't the best for gaming.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLNKPW2WJw8
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>>7456497
>>7456509
its definitely doable but I wouldn't really recommend it, not long term at least
I'm gonna assume its 1600×1200 at 60 or 75hz, lower refresh rates are fine for games, but I find them unbearable for desktop use, its definitely going to strain the fuck out of your eyes, specially if you spend many hours in front of the screen, you could drop the resolution and increase the refresh rate, but that also comes with drawbacks, not to mention modern websites and programs aren't that great in 4:3 to begin with
crt are also really fucking finicky with current gpus and versions of windows, more so if you're using an adapter/converter
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>>7456651
This, adapters can make the image look like dogshit.
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Can't get my FXPakPro to show up nicely on my CRT. Only on my analogue snes system. Just wanna play them games.
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>>7456753
Its basically like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxJ7_aC_NjU but I dont think its the PPU dieing since other games work fine and also I've tried multiple other SNES consoles and still had the same problem. diagnostics on the cart say it is fine as well.
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>>7456159
I know that feel. I recently picked up a 15" Sanyo pro monitor with s-video (no RGB unfortunately but whatever), 800 TVL, and no burn. Also super new, 2006. It's gorgeous, which was surprising because it's a Sanyo and I didn't expect much from it (bought it for a test bench for $30).
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any of you losers in new jersey want a dell p1110? price is a bit steep tho ($250)
/marketplace/item/130499618964618/
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>>7454652
check facebook marketplace and your local thrift stores
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>>7457048
>Condition
>Used - Good
Holy fuck, how does this shit even happen? It has scratches and other shit everywhere too
>that super mario picture
These people don't know what the fuck they're doing, if anyone is desperate enough to get it I would suggest trying to lowball the fuck out of it
it just isn't worth anywhere near $250
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>>7455990
What's with the stair step pattern repeating all over the screen? Dirty signal?
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>>7455920
240p is better but 480p is fine.
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>>7457165
It's just on the photo, in person It's not there
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>>7456497
No
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>>7456814
Nice mate, does it have OSD?
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>>7457160
>>7457048
This is why scalpers need to fuck off
It's one thing to flip items that are actually valuable but trying to resell your poorly taken care of trash is pathetic, I would send them an offer for $10
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>>7456690
What?

I have two generic HDMI to VGA adapters and they are both great.

My laptop outputs VGA and HDMI(in conjunction with the converter) and it looks the same either way.
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Does anyone have pics taken of RF gameplay?
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>>7456753
You could buy the analogue DAC converter and run the vga out to the rca inputs on your crt
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>>7458483
Put composite capture into a paint program and then increase blur by 25%
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>>7458514
analogue aint getting my money again yet. $80 for a nice DAC isnt that bad honestly though. Also I'm trying to keep that out there and I can just run games off the SD with it so there isnt much of a point of the flashcard at that point.
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>>7456121
It has to be bait, even has the reddit spacing there's no way there's still yanks who don't know about pal60 and rgb.
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>>7459462
Didn't know there was there was an Indiana jones n64 game. How does it play? From the pictures I'm guessing it's some kind of oot/tomb raider clone
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>>7459734
Yeah and it's decent. Little hard to get your hands on due to the weird way it was distributed. Despite what some may say, it was available for purchase through Blockbuster's website while also being a rental exclusive to the store. Has some tweaks made to the gameplay compared to the PC version where it controls a lot more like OoT rather than the PC version having a more Tomb Raider play style. An impressive effort for the console and a decent port (I've seen some say the N64 version is much better in comparison to the PC version, although it's usually in reference to control differences so I can't tell you personally if the PC version is better or worse since the N64 version is the only one I'm familiar with). It is a little buggy at times with some strange graphical distortions at rare instances, but it's an overall pretty fun game. Expect a $50-$70~ price range loose and an even higher price in boxed ofc. I here emulating it is just as good but I don't emulate N64 games all that often since I usually have most of the games I want physically, so if you really want real hardware but don't want to drop that much cash, then best bet is to play on an Everdrive. Fun gameplay and exploration and the presentation is better than I'd have suspected.
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Made a little design on mine recently. It took me 45 mins to eyeball the logo. What you anons think.
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>>7456219
Not him but how?
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>>7460525
gaysex twin/10
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>>7460525
Selected ambient works for gay sex 85-92/10
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>>7460525
Whatcha playin' on dat wii?
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>>7456209
Why do people get something as pricy and pain in the ass as PVM, and would not even tinker with basic picture settings?
And no, service menu or pots adjustments for them isn't some secret.
If you getting PVM you should do some research first.

>>7460576
Yours already looks perfect.
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>>7460576
First 240p test suite
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>>7460525
Cock/Ver10/10
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>>7456371
God damn i want an hd crt for 6th gen
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Just an FYI, if you're a brit. PP auctions has bunch of PVMs going for auction today
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>>7454582
is that lethal weapon for the nes?
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>>7460914
COME ON YOU CUNT LET'S HAVE SOME APHEX ACID!
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>>7460667
Typically melee or mario kart





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