/crt/ general, let's talk about our favorite gaming mediums. I just picked up one of these and can't find much info on it. Anyone know the JVC TM-R14U? It's got RGB and mine is dated 1985.
>>7097620http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/tech_desc.jsp?model_id=MDL100987&feature_id=02 Tiny, but high quality. It would be a fantastic screen for an old Commodore. Overkill for a regular console, but most PVM are.
>>7097620Went to two goodwills by me, and no tvs of any sort there anymore. I just wanted a cheap trinitron.
>>7097620It's a really good CRT, overkill for gaming but you may as well use it. >>7097631PVM is a term Sony used and not a type of monitor>>7097736what did you expect? people threw out their CRTs years ago. look for local video hire companies, live event AV companies, old/low-budget broadcast studios, hospitals and military facilities. universities and even schools occasionally still have them. a high end CCTV video monitor in good condition (check for burn in from grid or timecode) is better than a worn out Trinitron, it's worth considering factors other than brand name
>>7097768I've contacted the local public broadcasting , they said they got rid of the years ago. It's always awkward to ask too; "Do you have some old TV's I can have?"
>>7097793>. It's always awkward to ask too; "Do you have some old TV's I can have?"well getting straight to the point is a good quality, just have some finesse about it
Is this the only CRT general right now? Man, /vr really has changed, I guess the days of rolling CRT threads that hit the bump limit are over.
I never tried super buster bros until yesterday, it's a great game.
What price should I realistically be spending on a PVM? I don't know where to ask around my area for one and I doubt I'd have any luck even if I did know where to look
>>7097631Why on earth do you think it's good for an old micro but not for consoles? If anything the reverse would be more correct but DESU it'll be great for both, assuming RGB in both cases.>>7097768>PVM is a term Sony used and not a type of monitorWhat are you doing here? The PSX thread needs more pedants, quick!>>7097852There was one up until yesterday. There normally still is.>>7097968Where are you? What size are you after?
>>7097978Nowhere in that post does it say that it wouldn't be good.
>>7097985I mistook you calling it overkill for criticism - a point i disagree with in any case.
>>7097978About 20 minutes east of Cleveland. Any size honestly, ideally around 10-12 inches but I'd get a smaller or bigger one if it was all I could get my hands on (or cheaper/easier to get)
>>7097852The last one is still in the archive. I've seen one every day for the longest time. It's typically a few hours at most without one.>>7065042
>>7098009look for 13/14 inch, like pvm-14 or get a consumer 13 like this one
>>7097768>>7097631OP with the JVC hereI've tried the composite channel so far (inb4 fucking idiot use rgb, well I don't have a modded system like NESRGB yet to do that) and while it looks good, it's not blowing my nuts off like I expected. I'm assuming this will improve drastically once I put in Tim's RGB kit?
I stopped contributing to these threads but I still lurk every now and then to look at other peoples setups.
I want a CRT for my PC as a a side monitor for emulation. I'm having trouble tracking down a monitor in my area but there are plenty of TVs. Should I just buy a TV and get a VGA to RCA adapter or will that not work so well?
PVM is a meme, like sure get one if you find one for 20 bucks
>>7098523I'd bump that price to 50 if it's a big unit but overall I agree with you anon.That being said, plenty of folk around here ask 50+ for consumer TVs, namely trinitrons.
Someone's giving away a VCR near me. Are there any uses for it? I watch everything off my PS3 and Wii.
>>7098610They're used for recording and playing back TV shows
>>7098641Hence why I said I already watch everything off my PS3 and Wii. I've seen that you can record gameplay, but I don't care about that, so I was wondering if there's any other uses for it.
>>7097736Do you have a Savers/Value Village? They still carry them around me.
>>7098671You can record and watch TV shows on it
>>7098671You can use them to convert an RF signal to composite.
>>7098896Yeah, I've seen that too, but what's the point? Just use a cable or converter. I emulate consoles that used RF on the Wii, too.
>>7098671How do you watch video tapes on your PS3 and Wii?
>>7098949PS3 - internal HDDWii - external HDD or FTPOf course it's only the content and the individual VHS wear is lost, but hey, it saves a lot of money and time.
>>7099142Recently picked up a 32" D-Series with very few hours, it's fantastic. Was never used as a main TV.
Hi /crt/I've an old CRT without a remote control. How can i do the "search for channels" thing?With the "P" button you can change between channels and volumen adjustment. And with "-"/"+" you can either navigate channels or increase/decrease the volume.pic related shows the only buttons on the front panel.
>>7099030You still haven't answered the question
>>7099148>>7099153>>7099165Spectacular, love the D-Series. Wanna find one one of these days, I've only got two little flat-tubes to call my own for the time being.
>>7097736>>7097768>>7097793E-cycling places are a good place to look. They're literally crt collectors. Be aware that once you contact them you'll probably tip them off that some monitors may be worth something. You may get one pass through before they start selling monitors they run into themselves via offerup or craigslist.there's a e-waste/crt dump here in my city that now permanently has ads up on offerup selling untested broadcast monitors at basically market value.
>>7098912if it's a japanese console the frequency is up to channel 96, which many tv's won't tune to (or can't anymore because of autoprogramming)
>>7099496OP here, can attest to this. A large e-waste joint near me is filled with various TV and PC CRTs, including some Trinitrons and cool looking woodgrain oldies. In fact, it was here that I found my RGB JVC monitor.
if you're looking, keep your eye out for this model. The last curved screen XBR, the only curved sony with component. pretty nice
anything more than this is overpaying
>>7099556It's usually RETRO GAMING TV RARE $400 if anything
>>7099528where are you? I want me some>>7099496Be aware as well that e-waste places are often paid by weight. Smaller places may directly equate lifting stuff from their in-pile as taking their money. Approach them first, tell them what you want to do, and tell them CRT's are great for old games. Be nice about it. If they balk, slow down and point out you're keeping stuff out of landfill, and promise to bring it back if you ever get rid of it.
>>7099153This is why I prefer slotmask sets to trinitrons. Personal taste and all, sure, but the image feels like it has a more natural composition. Trinitrons trade the woven pattern of the picture for the blunt force of a uniform brightness boost. That would have been great in the 80s and earlier when shadowmask sets were much worse but a JVC or Toshiba from the 2000s kicks its ass.
Is it worth to travel 1h30m and back to get this for 3.50£?
>>7100737if you enjoy driving and don't already have a monitor. What will you use it for?
>>7100742I have a machine running XP to play old PC games on. I could play on my LCD monitor, but it's not the same.
>>7100750oh actually I was looking at the stats for the P990. The M990 is not very good; good enough for old PC games, but I wouldn't drive that far for it. Those are like the cheap shit that all the office buildings and schools had, you should be able to find one much closer
>>7100757>you should be able to find one much closerThat's my problem. Been looking for months and nothing. I live by the sea, far away from major cities. There's a closer one, but he's asking 20£.
Anyone do much tubeswapping?Any easy way to protect kids/dogs from tubes with no chassis connected? Is my best bet to cut up dead flybacks and attach anode cup to ground?Any thoughts for a chassis I can hook up to a tube with a 100hz yoke/sources? Unfortunately some dumb cunt pulled a Drakon and glued the fuck out of the already bonded yoke, and the cathodes/phosphors are in great nick save for some very minor burn, so don't want to take the risk of necking it but as it stands its a 50Kg+ paperweight since I can't get a new flyback.
>>7099030So where do you put the VHS tapes on those devices? You know, the VHS tapes of your first baby step, first word, shit like that.>My mom recorded those on her iphoneAh
I have a pc crt that is reocgnized by my windows computers when I connect it BUT there is no image on the screen, it is just black.Flyback issue?Anode cap issue?Power supply issue?
>>7101220are there buttons on the monitor? Can you access some menu on it?
>>7101247ill check it out tomorrow, what does it mean if I can and/or if I cant?
>>7101259well if you can see a menu on the screen it means the screen works. The issue would then be your connection; maybe your computer is sending it a resolution that's out of its frequency
>>7098610I use mine for art related reasons and I collect tapes but no there's really no reason for you to go after it considering you've expressed you have no interest in its features. VCRs are incredibly easy to come by for basically free at places like thrift stores anyway so you're not missing out
>>7101220This is gonna sound fucking stupid. But leave in connected to power, but leave it off for a few days then try to turn it back on. Idk why but the same thing happened to me and then it just sort of fully powered on.
>>7101339okie, ill plug in tomorrow morning and test, then ill leave it plugged in for the day and see what happensmaybe even longer, nothin to lose at this point
>>7099165I'm mad jealous. I have the 20-incher, which is fantastic, but the extra screen space is sorely missed
>>7097620Best crt that has component?
>>7101378Depends on what other qualities you're looking for. Curved or flat glass? Shadowmask or Aperture Grille?
>>7098847There's a Value Village closeish, I'll check on them, thanks for the reminder.
>>7101259If you can press the buttons it means you're a primate with an IQ of at least 1
What do you guys use to clean your CRT screens?
>>7101616lysol wipes when I first bring it home but desu some damp paper towels probably suffice
the human eye literally cannot tell the difference between 240p, 480i, and 480p
>>7101713the human eye cannot tell the difference between orange and purple
>>7101616What >>7101710 said. When I bring them home I clean it all with a wet, twisted cloth. Then just let it dry and you're good.
My 25" Panasonic has a slight green color in the bottom left corner. What could be the issue? You have to focus to be able to spot it, but I want to avoid problems, since it's a nice sized unit.
>>7101910Have you recently moved it and set it up? In my experience, often if you move a CRT it can get discolouration in the corners for a bit. It's fixed by degaussing a few times.
>>7101939I did it about a month ago. Noticed it about a week afterwards. I'll search for ways to degauss without buying a degausser, thanks.
>>7101939>>7101996Wait, I just thought about something. Could it be because I got it right next to my LCD, and underneath the LCD there's my laptop?
>>7098671Good for audio recording too.
Probably blasphemy to ask this here, but would it be worth the time and effort to pick up a 2007 Wega LCD? It's free to me. And a 60 inch behemoth. Not sure of model #.
>>7097620I own its cheaper, more lightweight relative, the TM-R9U- it dates from September 1984 but looking on Ebay the date codes go all the way into the mid 90s. Outside of slight chromatic aberration it's a damn good monitor. Extremely durable.
>>7102031I had a similar issue in the corner of my tv, and there wouldnt be any interference of issues with cables, and i was able to fix a green oval in the top left by just adjusting picture settings. Itd also only be noticable when certain color combos would appear in that spot. Did you move the crt by chance? Turning it on its side or anything else on a big set is never a good idea
>>7102236>i was able to fix a green oval in the top left by just adjusting picture settingsI can give that a go, but for some reason the image goes black and white when I get to the color settings. It's just that colors look pretty good and I don't want to mess them up.>Itd also only be noticable when certain color combos would appear in that spotKinda the same here. It's green on a blue scene, but red on blue and yellow on red.>>7102236>Did you move the crt by chance? Turning it on its side or anything else on a big set is never a good ideaOnly to get it home. I've red it masses up the magnetism, so I don't do it.
>>7102159Free? I guess, but early LCD are actually pretty garbage. If the nigga even asks for like $10 I would leave it.
>>7102159no such thing as a 60" lcd in 2007. It's a rear projection tv, and no, there's no point in getting one unless you're a very niche consumer.
$270 for this Trinitron, is it worth it?
>>7102690Initial price brand new it was
>>7102709Not sure what size that is but if it's 27" msrp for a KV-27FV16 was $900.>>7102690You're getting it for a quarter of the price, sounds like a steal.
>>7099551I had one of those growing up. Parents gave it to redneck part of the family who left it in their front yard for like 3 years and now it's toast.
How can I adjust the yoke of a pvm if it's bonded with a sort of grey glue? Do I need to cut this glue with a knife?
>>7099551There was one of these nearby, but another guy picked it up before I did even at the $100 asking price. Tbh these are sorta hard to find and wouldn't have minded paying since I want a larger set. That being said Sony Pvms/Bvms have curved screens and can accept component with a Bnc to Rca adapter.
I have an opportunity to pick up a viewsonic g90f. Specs look decent. What's the rundown on these?
>>7103513looks fine, you know as much as we do
>>7102690I picked up this exact model a couple weeks back for free. So no, unless you live in bumfuck nowhere with no fb marketplace or Craigslist options.
>>7103715I take that to mean they are shit.
What’s going on with this Sony set? Is it starting to sag the red and green lines because the capacitor’s failing?
>>7103901This model has excellent picture and many inputs including a video and component. It's pretty nice. Just because something doesn't cost $1000 doesn't mean it isn't good.
>>7103901It's a great tv, but like anon said, you can get it for free. Any consumer CRT is worth absolutely nothing at the moment. The niche CRT market just isn't large enough to drive up the price of a consumer CRT. Rare PVMs on the other hand, are a different story.
>>7103930Maybe. Idk if yours is consumer or pro, but maybe the same applies?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2EHxGu6vIQ
>>7102308>I've red it masses up the magnetismWell there's yer problem
>>7103976It's not just Sony ones, I've got a Panasonic that does the same. If adjusted correctly the lines eventually disappear as they go up.>>7104208kek, it was 3am already>>7104602Based. What game? THPS4?
>>7097620Finish my RGBHV to RGB Csync TTL adapter for that gay fixed resolution Apple Performa Display.
>>7105107Nice, how's it look in glorious 480p?
>>7098523They're not a meme if you live in the US since RGB didn't really exist on consumer sets there and it's kinda expensive and risky to import a CRT. You can mod some consumer sets to take RGB, but you gotta be a bit handy to do that.
>>7101339>>7101346>>7101259>>7101263Plugged it in, powered it on, no menuI powered it back off but left it plugged in, maybe it just needs to heat up for awhile?
what is the most based American TV company and why (was) it Zenith
>>7105639like any VGA monitor except less flexible to use. It's nice having potentiometer dials on the front to adjust colour and contrast though, instead of having to navigate through a written menu using four buttons.I can't see myself using it much over a multisync monitor though, but at least it works and can be used with something other than a medieval Macintosh
Can you own a CRT if you have really bad dandruff? I'm scared the flakes are gonna stick to the screen because of the static or maybe the static will start moving my hair causing more dandruff.
>>7105842fish oil is your friend
>>7105842I swear to god you ask this question every month.
I have a 27" Sanyo flat CRT, if you're in the Tallahassee area you can have it.Just don't coof on me.
>>7103930that looks normal since your set is so underscanned. I don't think it's the same issue as posted in the video someone replied to you with.>>7104931>Based. What game? THPS4?American wasteland. Pretty fun game.
>>7105627zenith is eternal. did sony wegas ape this design or what?
>>7105842Cut your hair really short, almost bald. Start using anti-dandruff shampoo. Thank me in a few months.>>7106052>American wastelandI'll have a look, thanks. Fuck niggers.
>>7097736Not a CRT-related question, but which game is this? Looks interesting.
>>7106976the shmup gunbird
>>7108421Traveling back in time.
>>7108393Those compaq monitors used to pop up everywhere, I guess by now most people just threw them away
Kind of a dumb question, but I just got the NT Mini Noir, and I have a JVC with the IF-C01COMG RGB Input Card installed. What cable(s) do I need to buy to get the best picture quality available for the Noir? I usually just use the TV for my PS2 with an RGB cable.
anyone have any idea what model this is? the guy selling it can only tell me that it's a Zenith and he was told it was "one of the last made in the US"also, are these types of TVs any good for gaming at all? I don't know shit about CRTs honestly.
>>7109703Aesthetic as fuck, console TVs rule. Don't expect anything other composite, though
Got this guy from my radio station. Small burn in that's barely notice but looks great for playing games. This is a Panasonic ct-1388yd. Not really a pvm but really just a VM. If anyone knows how to rgb mod one of these I'm all ears.
>>7109835I bought one of those from a courtroom when I was away at college. A great tube on that thing. I would just stick with s-video, on a screen so small you would hardly tell the difference
>>7109772Thanks. Like I said, I don't really know shit about CRTs; I just think it'd be cozy as fuck to hook up a PC with a gamepad to it and play some 2000s shmups on it. I don't really care about optimizing the image or anything, I'm fine as long as it's playable. Would I be able to accomplish this by just grabbing a composite to HDMI adaptor?
>>7109841True though the option wouldn't be a bad one. Especially if I'm hooking several consoles up to it
>>7109849>Would I be able to accomplish this by just grabbing a composite to HDMI adaptor?don't do this. If you are emulating, get a modded wii for that. If you're running real hardware, then they've got composite already. What will you be playing games on? I could tell you the easiest way to set it up. Also, yes you can use this tv, and yes it will be extremely cozy. Few know that the console TVs are secret gems, because having a nice wood grain on the tv turns it into a piece of furniture rather than an autism box
>>7109587well, what signals does the NT-mini output, and what cables are available?
i just got myself a dell M991 and the text is a bit blurry whichi is causing eye strain. what are the chances of killing myself trying to adjust the flyback to focus the beam? is it really as difficult as people make it out to be?
>>7109849Listen to >>7109861 but only partially. You can only run a handful of Neogeo and MAME on the Wii, PSX and N64 emulation is bad, Wonderswan won't work, PC-98 needs lots of configuration. Anything else is pretty good and the Wii does 240p, which you won't get with the HDMI-Composite box.>>7109930Try the sharpness option on the menu first, if it has one. If not, use rubber gloves and don't touch metal parts.
>>7109930the focus is just a little dial back there, easiest thing in the world. Although you might be experiencing shitty dell build quality, maybe try lowering the resolution
>>7109861>>7109945Thanks lads.I basically want to hook it up to a PC so it's effectively a monitor. I don't intend to use it for normal browsing or anything, I just have this insane itch to play the early windows touhou games on a CRT (and PC98 to a lesser extent); that specific floor TV looks fucking beautiful, it reduces the amount of furniture that I need to buy for my apartment by one, and it's really cheap.
>>7109969If you can't get a monitor, than yeah, go ahead. I'm thinking about doing the same, since there's none in my area and around. Nintendo Switch also has native SNK games and Retroarch is great, so that's another option on my end.
Anyone else hear this and sell some stuff? I still lurk here but kind of stopped obsessing over how crisp metroid looks on what tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhhH_0NUeLM
>>7109989Yeah, no monitors to be found in my area on Craigslist. I also like the size of the screen on the TV. I feel like the size of the average monitor would limit the ability to play from a couch.
>>7109879It outputs RGB, component, and composite via a VGA port. I use the 5 BNC RGB for my PS2.
>>7109861>wiiYikes.A Pi 4 has better NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, N64, Saturn, Dreamcast, Amiga, DOSBox, and arcade emulation. And you can customize the menus how you want.A Wii is only good for zoomer non retro Wii/Gamecube shit but if that's what you're into then you should be emulating it in Dolphin at 4k to an OLED.
>>7109969maybe your best option is an old graphics card with composite out. Or the other guy suggested a raspberry pi which might work but I have no idea how pc-98 emulation is on that thing https://cdcruze.com/2019/03/retroarch-and-crt-emudriver-setup-guide/
>>7110012Nah, it really depends on your perspective on hobbies. Some people sperg out their cars, computers, clothing, etc when shit like Civics, Laptops, and Thrift Stores exist. I personally wouldn't spend several thousand on a D32 when free consumer sets are still available, but in comparison to other hobbies that's still pretty tame compared to say car suping/ricing. Getting the "ideal" retro experience is akin to spending thousands on a car to drive the speed limit or at best a private track on the weekends.I wouldn't concern myself over what some other spergs have to say in a youtube video, just whether it's something you're passionate about. The argument they're making can literally made towards anything.
>>7110043A Wii is good as entry level, as it is cheap af. Also, I've run every game on /v/ recommended games list up to gen 4 and didn't find any problems.
>>7110081Great read, thanks!I actually have access to a raspberry pi right now, so I'll see if I can get that going when I grab the TV. PC-98 honestly isn't a big deal to me, the main attraction are the windows games anyways.
>>7110012What >>7110098 said, pretty much. That video is a bunch of normie sheep retards that are the first pointing a finger without looking at the mirror and make judgements about things they don't know about.Do you want to know another hobby that's way more expensive? Building a home gym. A decent bar will cost you minimum 150$ and an half rack 350$. Then you still need the plates, flooring and bench. Then you keep adding stuff over time. Sure, it keeps you healthy, but so does going for a run outside for 0$.
>>7110152best crt for ps2
>>7110012This video is retarded>Haha look at all his photography equipment, I just pull out my iPhone bro.
>>7110012>Being so insecure in your interests that some podcasters can bully you into selling your CRTsThis is somehow more pathetic than obsessing over scanlines.
>>7109703I don't know the exact model, but if you want a year, I believe that's ~1997.
If you're stuck with composite, a consumer TV can actually look better than a PVM. sorry I don't have a picture of it but I just compared them side by side and it really is true
>>7110945many PVMs don't have a comb filter for composite video, so yes the later models of consumer sets will have better composite
>>7110945>>7110948OP here, still lurking. I have compared my new JVC professional monitor to my flat screen early 2000s consumer Trinitron, and indeed composite looks better on the Trinitron. It could be also because the Trinitron has a much larger screen, but I don't know for sure. Either way, I've ordered an RGB mod kit for my NES and plan to compare the JVC's RGB quality. I'm assuming it will be vastly superior.
>>7097793I would suggest just getting straight to the point, perhaps giving your reason as a "media project" or some shit so they don't think you're just a kid who wants cheap old toys for games. Most of these businesses are unaware of retro gamers' dedication to the hobby and also just find them weird so I wouldn't suggest bringing it up at all. >>7097978It's a film and television pedantry thing, not a Sony/PlayStation one. I was always frustrated with coworkers using these terms incorrectly, though this was a long time ago and it wasn't as pedantic when they were actually relevant mainstream.>>7098269I personally don't think RGB is that important, though it has a nice look. I would suggest instead being more careful with the settings on your TV, in particular the "tuning" you can perform on the back of that particular CRT. It may also have issues to do with age that cannot easily be addressed.>>7099496Nice, I wish they were more common where I live (Australia lol). We're also just smaller and never had as many large scale facilities using many high quality viewing monitors at once compared to the US.
>>7097620Im looking to get 240p on my crt tv it only has ypbpr and is a sony trinitron. I also have a amd radeon hd5450 i just need a vga to ypbpr transcoder or any other solution that might work. any recomendations?
>>7111265Yes, a transcoder is what you need. It might not be too cheap, unfortunately, as that's not a common transcoding
your tube gf has arrived, /crt/
God I love reddit
>>7111857>"Have I ever tried playing retro games on that thing? No, I only play on consumer sets through coax.">"Would I sell it to you? Hows $5,000? I know What I have.">"You want to post this to reddit? OK, then let me cut off your balls so you never breed again"
>>7111857Why are they always such degenerates. Always putting unnecessary humiliating details in their posts; could have said he was just at the hospital. Reminds me of that one post some posted here along the lines of "my wife and kids left me, but the silver lining is I have all the time to enjoy my ps2 and crt"
>>7111857The ultimate soi post
the japs got the cutest sets
>>7111926the 12" portable model vs the 20"
Possibly a stupidity question, but will I still be able to hook into the component with the colored ring missing? I don't see why not but you never know I guess. Probably just gonna bring it into the garage for now. I'll need more help getting it into my basement.
>>7113359And the model number.
Take the projectorpill.>No shadow masks/aperture grilles>Huge picture>Versatile input connections>Even more expensive than PVM/BVM's>Making new B&W tubes and projectors is still remotely feasible
>>7113359looks like the metals still there, hit it with some isopropyl alcohol to clean it up and it should contact fine
Any good guides for fixing crts? I look on YouTube and they are all doing the needful
>>7113548Well I tried it and it was fine until I switched the resolution to 480p and now I get this.
>>7113902fella it's a 480i set
>>7113902If you have to ask if you have a 480p TV, you have a 480i TV
>>7113904>>7113909Welp I'm retarded. Is there any point to using the Wii component cables then or should I just switch back to composite?
>>7113925Component has better image quality.
>>7113925component isn't 480p only, just use 480i
>>7113518>>Making new B&W tubes and projectors is still remotely feasibleThis is the best point you made.
Added RGB input to 1981 ASA Futura. There was DB9 connector cutout for some option on back panel and input for TTL RGB on colour decoder board, modified it for analog input. CRT is somewhat tired and has low'ish dot pitch, but at least it can now display 60Hz in color.
>>7114801Love old-ass CRTs getting RGB modded, they have better aesthetics anyway. Good work, Anon!
I want to display my computer onto my CRT for gamesWhat's the best way to do this? The TV is composite
How can I connect a pc to a trinitron tv?
>>7112487Caveat that the TV needs to be older. By the early 2000s SD sets got such good comb filters that composite looked close to S-video.
>>7115826maybe so but information that's lost is lost, the comb filter just makes it look like there wasn't. For example the sonic waterfall will dither no matter how good you comb the signal
>>7097631>Overkill for a regular console, but most PVM are.God, shut the fuck up you massive faggot