Is it the most anti-casual Nintendo console?
>>10434324If taking zeitgeist into account, kinda. A lot of people got filtered by 3D controls and navigation, even something like later Mario 64 levels or obviously>water dungeon
The Dark Souls of his time
>>10434324>mainly features casual multiplayer games and platformersnot at all, that was the whole thing with n64 that losing third party support basically lost them the "hardcore gamer" crowd as they went fully into the "family" market
>>10434329Even the controller. There was no Metroid on N64 because the Super Metroid creator was confused by it
>>10434324Literally because it sucked dogshit.It was the PS4 of the time. Bad overhyped games that sucked when you actually played them.
N64 games aren't hard, so no.
>>10434332At the time there was no "casual and hardcore" gamer divide like that, it was purely "N64 has less/different games than the PS1". the whole "casual and hardcore" shit happened in the seventh gen, easily the worst generation and genesis of the shitshow that is modern vidya. Fuck, when will this industry crash.
>>10434324literally their most casual, are you retarded?
>>10434334Do you actually believe that?Like really? Do you just believe whatever horse shit flows out of the mouths of Japanese developers? >"I was actually thinking about the possibility of making a Metroid game for N64 but I felt that I shouldn't be the one making the game. When I held the N64 controller in my hands I just couldn't imagine how it could be used to move Samus around. So for me it was just too early to personally make a 3D Metroid"If you believe this quote then you are accepting the idea that Yoshio Sakamoto is in fact mentally retarded.
>>10434389Not OP but snes, wii, switch, gameboy and DS are obviously more casual than n64
>>10434324In a sense, it's more accurate to say it's the most anti-human Nintendo console.
>>10434324>Is it the most anti-casual Nintendo console?I don't know if it was 'anti-casual', given that this system was quite popular as a 4-player game machine, which lead to a lot of casual multi-player.
>>10434324It is if you emulate it, figuring out how to map N64 buttons to an Xbox controller is an actual IQ filter, especially since you have to do it per game.
>>10434324Not really. It was FPS, wrestling, and racing for most people and those were very much "everyman" genres at the time.
>>10434324>anti-casual Nintendo console.Hmm... it was pretty casual, but you're saying compared with other Nintendo consoles. The Wii U was probably the most anti-casual.
>>10434324No, that would be the NES, the last time most games were difficult as a rule. N64 is where casualization began, which is why so many zoomzooms are fond of it as their brains can't handle non-fashionable (ie non-dark souls games) difficulty.
>>10434714The NES wasn't some hardcore gamer system.It was made for and marketed to children.The reason games were hard back then was simply to fuck with rentals so you couldn't just simply beat them over the week-end despite being pretty simple games with not a lot of content.
>>10434723>The NES wasn't some hardcore gamer system.Agree, it was widely owned. Consoles, by definition are fairly casual.
Ps1 was the normie console that people bought to play the endless stream of fifa games
>>10434814ISS/PES were the games to be had during that era. FIFA didn't become dominant until 07
>>10434814No FIFA among top 123 best selling ps1 games:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_video_gamesNo ISS either.
The NES was definitely marketed to a wide audience early on, including families. Anecdotally, I knew several adults growing up who owned or played the NES, some of them didn't even have kids. That all went away when 16-bit went around.The N64 came out when I was in middle school and most kids owned one of those owing to the multiplayer, tentpole Nintendo stuff, Bond, wrestling etc. The only kids I knew that owned PS1s or God forbid, a Saturn were the hardcore gaming geeks types. So at least in my world, the N64 was far more casual
>>10434324NES and Super Nintendo are... Remember NES invented the "Nintendo hard" term
>>10434329Nintendo always got a lot of mail from people complaining that their games are too hard during 64 time. If you think Nintendo games are too easy now, blame yourselves
this board needs to be nuked.
Reminder that the words "casual" and "hardcore" weren't really common lingo in video game discourse back in retro times (pre-2000s). Even the word "gamer" was not really common and was mostly tongue-n-cheek along with "gamemaniac" and some others. People were expeted to put up with difficulty back then, so the differentiation wasn't necessary.
>>10434324One of the biggest problems with the console was precisely the lack of games that weren't aimed at normies. N64 games were about jumping plushies, secret agents, action heroes and other safe premises.
Hello no. It's when nintendo was balls deep in 4 tap multiplayer. You can count the number of RPGs it had on one hand and that's after holding a lit firecracker.
>>10435197RPGs are "hardcore"?
>>10435031I know, it's way too much centered around Nintendo discussion and barely knowledgeable outside of Nintendo systems
>>10435234Hi, auster.You will change history. (not)
>>10435197>Hello no.>It's when nintendo was balls deep in 4 tap multiplayer. You can count the number of RPGs it had on one hand and that's after holding a lit firecracker.Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye (very popular with 4-players), The Mario Party games, Mario Tennis (a lot of Mario), Diddy Kong Racing, Super Smash Bros. The N64 did have a 'casual gamer' appeal with the selection of 4-player party games that it had, back in the day. >>10435224>>>10435197>RPGs are "hardcore"? Before the mass popularity of Final Fantasy VII, they were considered to be just that.
>>10435258What history, the one where N64 and GC failed sales wise? you're living in that timeline.
>>10434874>wrestling etc.Those were also big. The WWF (WWE) and WCW games were popular as 2-4 player 'couch co-op' games on the N64. The N64 was ideal for wresting games, because of the 4-control ports and lack of loading screens that just got you into the game fast.>>10434929>"Nintendo hard" termThe Atari generation would laugh at the term 'NES hard'.
>>10435289WCW/nWo Revenge, when it was released was THE biggest game of that season, hitting at the height of the wrestling boom. At least in my school it was bigger than Ocarina and MGS combined. EVERYONE had that game.
>>10434324>>10434331If you like videogames: supernes and nintendoIf you like mario and zelda: n64
>>10435337And THIS is my biggest problem with the N64. To me, Nintendo wasn't just Mario and Zelda, it was also Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Street Fighter etc...all franchises poorly represented or completely absent on the N64. The Rare games helped a lot but a true gamer cannot live on first party Nintendo stuff alone...
>>10434324Nah that would be the SNES, which ironically was still the most casual platform of its gen. N64 was all about multiplayer party games (casualfag shit by nature) or SM64/OoT, two of the most normalfag games of all time. Even the GCN was less casual.
>>10434456SNES and Switch wasn’t casual enough.
>>10435283>Xbox24 million>Saturn 9 million Cool story, auster/Daniel.
>>10435463>SNES and Switch wasn’t casual enough.I would say that the SNES was far more 'casual' than the Genesis/ MD and TG-16 of the time. Sega's consoles were never truly casual outside of the EA sports games, and were usually targeted at arcade ports. The Playstation did have a broad 'casual appeal'. But I feel like the N64 managed to slip into that category too, and it really was because of the multi-player aspect. >>10435317>>>10435289 (You)>WCW/nWo Revenge, when it was released was THE biggest game of that season, hitting at the height of the wrestling boom. At least in my school it was bigger than Ocarina and MGS combined. EVERYONE had that game.This is so true. It's easy for me to forget that the N64 was the go-to system for wrestling. It really carved a niche for itself it that genre.
>>10435348Exactly, you had to have both a PSX and N64With later gens it became even less necessary to have Nintendo consoles. Now they're just for Mario fan manchildren. Actual children don't even like Mario, they play Roblox or modded GTA5
>>10435482I don't think the super nintendo is more casual by choice, later on Nintendo was trying to court developers with more powerful processors to capture the same frantic gameplay that made turbo and genesis games stand out. They knew they courted a more casual audience too so they were catering to them with titles like yoshi's island.I think most super versions of games are slower, but often a little more detailed. CV4 comes to mind, whether you like that more or not is a personal thing but it mostly feels like iterations on old styles of play, while not really enabling new gameplay.
To me, this was the NBA Jam of Hockey games. I know Open Ice existed before this one, which was also made by Midway. But, I never really cared for that one much. I feel like Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey took that formula and made it better, plus the instant 4-player mode made this a great party game.
>>10435572I need to try this. Me and my bros always play 3 on 3 NHL (not retro) because it felt like a N64 party game. There is of course the NHL Hitz, but that one is probably too "advanced" with too many commands for my taste. The simpler they are, the better for party play.
>>10434382I agree with this anon. I remember the N64 being known as the multiplayer console (4 built in controller ports so more games supported 4 player) and PS1 being mostly for single player games like RPGs
>>10435604>I need to try this. Me and my bros always play 3 on 3 NHL (not retro) because it felt like a N64 party game. There is of course the NHL Hitz, but that one is probably too "advanced" with too many commands for my taste. The simpler they are, the better for party play.Back in the day, there was an arcade near me that had a Open Ice 2 on 2 challenge arcade game, and it always felt like NBA Jam on Ice. But the game seemed a little off to me. I preferred the NBA Jam game more. I never really liked the idea of a 2 vs 2 hockey game. Wayne Gretzky 3D Hockey feels like a sequel to Open Ice, but with Wayne Gretzky's name attached to it. I also feel like the ice physics were better in this. It's a fun arcade style hockey game with no frills. This was also the first sports game released for the N64 in 1996, and also the first N64 game to feature 4-players. There is also a sequel too.
>>10435289Atari games weren't hard, they were just endless because all you could do was a get a high score for bragging rights, not an actual tangible goal.
STOP LIKING NINTENDO
>>10434324No, it's overly casual and made for toddlers. They should have at least labeled it as for ages 4 to 10 so people didn't need to waste money on it
>>10434324Dude, the N64 was the king of local multiplayer. The majority of games were cartoon violence with colorful palettes.
>>10435927this but unironically
>>10435780>Atari games weren't hard, they were just endless because all you could do was a get a high score for bragging rights, not an actual tangible goal.That's not really my opinion. But I was going by the general consensus that NES games were easier than the generation of arcade style games that came out the generation before the NES.
Why does the N64 trigger certain people so much? It's just a console from 1996... I bet it's older than many of you.
>>10436109Oh, I see now. I don't agree with the old Usenet concesus, generally they think a game lacks "replayability" because it's not an endless loop.
>>10435572how much better is this than breakaway 98 because that shit was excellent. 64 was great for baseball fans as well
>>10436281>>>10435572 (You)>how much better is this than breakaway 98 because that shit was excellent. 64 was great for baseball fans as wellTo be honest, I haven;t put that much time into Wayne Gretzky 98, but the game isn't really much different from the first one, but has a newer roster and a few other minor things. Wayne Gretzky 3D hockey is very much an arcade style game, with not much in the way of simulation. I never got into the Breakaway games, the only other Hockey game I had was NHL 99, which was well... NHL 99 on the N64 and potentially one of the best hockey games on the system. I liked the original 3D Hockey as a fast and loose playing arcade style hockey game.
>>10435482>It's easy for me to forget that the N64 was the go-to system for wrestlingWell, WCW games for sure. WWF games were all over the place.As WWF was taking over the business, Playstation Warzone was crazy big, but then Wrestlemania on N64 kicked the shit out of Attitude off the strength of the N64 WCW games. Once the Smackdown games came out though, Playstation consoles were the clear top dog going forwards until 2006 when the series went multiplat.
>>10434393This quote is basically saying that Metroid gameplay wouldn't work in 3D. Metroid has a lot of aiming involved in its combat, so you'd either get a game with a lot of fucking stop-and-aim-at-something gameplay ala 3D Zelda or a failure like Megaman X7/Metal Slug 3D
>>10436114Probably a PS1 fan who scared that N64 hardware can handle CPS-2 (maybe III) flawless.
>>10440012>stop-and-aim-at-something gameplayDidn't stop Other M
>>10440012>>10441421What basics need modify Doom 64 engine
>>10434324>hybrid heaven>sin and punishment>bangai-O>blast corps>star fox 64>kirby 64 100%>mischief makers>fzero X>majora's mask>mario kart 64 AI rubberbanding>shadows of the empire (THAT level)hell yah
>>10434337Here's another: (You)
>>10434329No one got filtered by 3D controls since there were 3D games on the PC a decade before the N64 released. You're obviously just coping, and coping BADLY. People just weren't used to playing with a fuck-stupid control scheme, like that of the N64's. Why are nintottlers trying to revise history pretending the N64's controller wasn't the most hated controller on the planet?
Of all the mistakes nintendo made with the n64 the most egregious was ditching the Ultra moniker
>>10434324It's a console for six year olds.
>>10443712>Regular>Super is better than regular, so the next is super>Ultra is better than super, so the next is ultraIf nintendo continued this, what would the gamecube be? What is better than ultra?
>>10443715What's a console not for 6 year olds?
>>10444904GCN is Mega Nintendo>>10444906Wii is Uber Nintendo
>>10442705Name me all the 3D PC games in 1986 lol. You better be a fucking troll.>>10434324No way. NES, despite its market dominance and mass appeal was. Just about everything on NES was NES hard, and todays “casuals” will have next to zero fun playing anything that isn’t called “Super Mario Bros” or “Zelda” on it.N64 was actually the first console I remember girls playing. In 2004 my first GF had one solely to play Mario Kart 64. She would only ever use Toad because “he’s the fastest”.
>>10445356>N64 and girlsMy first GF was absolutely obsessed with Ocarina of Time and even spent a day beating it in one sitting.
>>10445356My sister is literally how I got into SNES lolI think a lot of girls played Game Boy too, and Tamagotchi even though it's not really a game system(?)
>>10445405>My sister is literally how I got into redditYou manly beast!
>>10445356Its called POST-POKEMON Nintendo
>>10435234You're still at it bro?
we (game magazines and my friends) used to call it ultra 64.
>>10442705PC gaming back then was tiny you fucking idiot. And the most hated controller is 5200.
>>10445308(Project Cafe) U mean unreal engine or unique
>>10434334I remember being anxious to play Mario Kart on N64 because of the joystick.Everything turned out alright though...for the most part.
>>10434324What the fuck are you talking about?
>>10434324>easiest 3D Mario>easiest 3D Zelda>most babiest Kirby game>DK64 is mostly a perfect distraction tool>same woth Pokemon Stadium>no RPGs beyond babby shit like Paper Mario>most baby Treasure game while Silhouette Mirage is on other consoles>Goldeneye introduced the most babby as fuck shit to FPS ever before Halo barged in the gaming world>the birth place of Smash itself, the most anti-fighting game out there, because faggit Sakurai made a lady cry in a KoF matchNintendo Hard was a 3th gen thing
>>10434324N64 was their first casual console though.Just failed to reach said casuals they were trying to call over again.
>>10441567>kirby 64 100%Literally easier than 100% KDL3
Kirby 64 is one of the most brain dead games I've ever played.
>>10448642irrelevant. Its obtuse as shit and I guarantee most people dont even know the real ending
>>10448617>>easiest 3D Marioyou cant actually think this when both of the galaxy games exist
>>10448586>No fighter from mischief maker, castlevania 64 and Megaman legend
>>10441371>CPS-2 (maybe III)It's 100% possible, since the lack of loading times makes it better by defaultThe Neo-Geo is better btw
>>10448907There were only first party Nintendo characters in the first smash anyways, I don’t think they had any plans to license others. The smash remix mod, instead of adding based N64 characters or nes/snes characters, went ahead and added NuTrash.
>>10434393He made Other M. You'd have to be dumber than he is to think he's not retarded.
>>10434324>Is it the most anti-casual Nintendo console?of when?of WHEN???SOME time?or ALL OF IT?!!!?? >:((((
>>10434324That would be the Wii U. Which is a shitty system.
>>10434337Well, it kinda was.Fun fact: Even with its small library, the N64 has more exclusives than the PS3 + PS4 + PS5 together