Ahh geez dude... Seven HUNNID dollahs?????
I just want a box that has native composite out and does all the pooy old 8 bit computers
>>10430319>MiSTer... but it plays DREAMCAST!Great snake oil guys
Protip: if you don't want something, don't buy it.
>>10430319I would just wait until enough people are buying Mars so that MiSTer goes down in price, then buy that instead. Then when they inevitably come out with Mars 2 or whatever Mars will start to go down in price too. Just like regular consoles/phones/tablets etc. I guess
ah jeez dude you know I been taking these pills.....and they make me think the mistah is a good idea........
>>10430939Mister will never go down in price, it's not a competitive market, it's base is the DE-10, which has only gone up even while being subsidized. You morons are so retarded you think the 3rd party sellers selling assembled mister systems are actually the creators or something.
>>10430319I feel like this is one of those things where there's nothing to talk about until it comes out, and wait for someone to take the fall and confirm all the shit.
>>10430953The DE-10 is quite long in the tooth. It is very likely that Intel will cut any cruft on slow selling product lines. Not saying the entry level Cyclone V is slow selling it isn't but they will expect profits. Intel does phase out bargain basement products that require high volume sales faster than the products at the top.
>>10431264That's the beauty of the mister project, it can just be ported to a more feasible platform when that ever occurs because it's open source and the framework has been re-worked to help with portability.
>>10430319I can get a fire tv for 50$ and get equivalent results
>>10431274Absolutely, but I think that is why people are saying what is the difference between that and MARS? MARS they purpose built the platform and got a significant platform upgrade. People are dropping hundreds, beyond the initial DE-10 cost, to get what they want out of mister. So why not have it all hemmed up in an open platform that has the convenience of the hardware being complete on day 1?
>>10430319TIME TO PAY UP FOR VIDEO GAMES SWEETIE!
>>10431264Intel are still making the Cyclone 2 which is 4 years older. They aren't discontinuing the cyclone V anytime soon.
>>10430319Using FPGAs for classic consoles that have weird refresh rates and more exacting requirements for input lag I understand.When you start getting into the 3D era where you can already get hardware accelerated enhancements I don't see much purpose for any special hardware beyond that.
>>10430939Mister is a flat price governed by the base cost of a de10-nano, which is pretty reasonable.
>>10431264FPGA are not iPhones.
>>10431358What arm chip is this thing using and will that let them do anything the Mister can't? The Mister is using almost the same chip as the iPhone 4s for the Linux side and it works fine.
>>10431361I understand dreamcast naomi, at least for the crowd that wants to insert them into arcade cabs
>>10431369Oh, the mister can be assembled from parts. I honestly didn't know this.
>>10431264Where's my 3 nm process FPGA with 500 million logic elements
>>10430552Also PS2, it's not snake oil.
>>10431596>Also PS2, it's not snake oil.FPGA is snake oil, pure and simple. "BRO, WHAT IF WE EMULATE. THE. CHIPS! SO AMAZING, LET'S DROP HUNDREDS ON IT! HAHA LOOK AT YOU NERDS WITH YOUR ROTTING PLASTIC! IT'S NOT EMULATION!"
>>10431608NO IT IS NOT!!! We been through this before.
>>10431608I can tell you are deeply upset by people referring to your collection as rotting plastic.
>>10431610>NO IT IS NOT!!! We been through this before.>WeOk, shill. We, Anonymous agree that FPGA is glorified emulation and snake oil tactics to sell overpriced and underpowered tech to idiots.>>10431613>I can tell you are deeply upset by people referring to your collection as rotting plastic.Not really. You can call my collection rotting plastic and silicon but it will easily outlive most people alive today short of act of God or a fire. I'm simply tired of seeing the same buzzwords and canned insults thrown around by viral marketers and rabble rousers trying to shill their latest and greatest emulation box.
>>10431621NO!!! Only you think like that.
>>10431596There's exactly 0 footage of the device doing anything. Just say it can play every video game ever made if you're going to say a bunch of bullshit and not back it up. Its all overhyped expectations from people working on it and shills because you know its not going to do Naomi or Dreamcast.
>>10431626>NO!!! Only you think like that.Using all caps on a word or sentence does not make your weak argument any stronger, shill. But by all means, try to prove that FPGA is not an elaborate obfuscation of selling shitty emulation boxes to children who do not know any better.
>>10431648Woah, it can emulate an 80s arcade game. That's not exactly Dreamcast
>>10431626No, it's a lot more than just him
>>10431596>Also PS2, it's not snake oil.No one is working on PS2, stop making shit up.
>>10431634> you know its not going to do Naomi or Dreamcast.Fixel already has the PowerVR GPU in verilog from another project, the rest of the hardware is now being worked on. Dreamcast will happen, but it was never going to be done for the launch of MARS.
>>10430950>unironic Justin Roland "humor"
Now I'm not the smartest guy around but FPGA emulating consoles with a 3D accelerated GPU like the Dreamcast, much less something crazily massively parallel like the PS2, sounds like a fucking insane pipedream to me. Has this ever been demonstrated in any way?
>>10432183Sorg said somewhere there is basically no point of using FPGA to go beyond PS2 era because of reasons I don't remember and it is an enormous amount of work. too I am trying to find the posts.
>>10432194He said it's because when you get to ps2 and beyond cycle accuracy no longer becomes a real issue and he's kind of right, but still would be nice to have accurate representations of those systems for preservation.
>>10431608I agree to this, if only because emulation for most of the current systems on MiSTer is good enough that you don't really need an FPGA or original hardware.
Don’t you need decap or leaked technical specifications to properly capture something as FPGA? Has that even been released for all the 5th and 6th gen consoles?
>>10432261To “properly” capture something is software emualtion requires decap info too.
>>10432291And the ps2 is most definitely not properly captured, and the Dreamcast while good I don’t believe is perfect either, so the mars claims are stretching the truth then are they not?
>>10431608Enjoy your rotting plastic.
>>10432316Forget PS2, no one has said that is happening. MARS have said people are working on an open source Dreamcast core which will then be implemented on their hardware, thats all, I'm not sure how that equals any truth being stretched.Dreamcast isn't perfect in software emaultion but that's becuase its never had hardware engineers using scopes and writing a new hardware tests to reverse engineer the systems and add to the current knowledge base. You don't need to have decap info to create something that is indistinguishable fromt the real thing. I'm sure the DC core wll be great and better than software emulation given who is working on it.
>>10432327Imagine being proud of being brain dead.
>>10431780>>10432163No, just you.>>10432047>>10432448Yes they are working on a PS2 core, they just haven't announced it yet.>>10432194The handhelds and Wii say otherwise.MARS however is too slow to do Gamecube, XBox, Wii and New 3DS as the FPGA that MARS uses can only do 400MHz max.It can do Dreamcast, PS2, PSP, PS Vita as well as the DS, DSi and 3DS, those last 2 need extra PSRam in order to run but DS can be done with the external 8MB PSRam bank however.
>>10432781>Yes they are working on a PS2 coreCool, I will believe it when I see it. It is an enormous amount of work and expecting an unproven team to deliver is historically a losing move when it comes to boutique /vr/ shit.
>>10432781>Yes they are working on a PS2 core, they just haven't announced it yet.Let me guess, source is "trust me bro"?
>>10432781>Yes they are working on a PS2 core, they just haven't announced it yet.Who exactly is “they”?
>>10432798>>10432808They is this posters ass, who also coincidentally works for MARS
>>10432808what if they were purple?
>>10430319>$700Just buy real hardware that you want at that point.
>this shit passes for a /vr/ thread these daysholy fuck, how have the mighty fallen
>>10432920Complaining about vapourware projects to play retrogames on has been here from the start. Remember the hype for OpenPandora? Ouya?
>>10432925>>10432920Yeah I fail to see how this isn’t a /vr/ worthy thread, FPGA is and has been a pretty hot topic in retro gaming the last couple of years
>>10432938>FPGA is and has been a pretty hot topic in retro gaming the last couple of yearsHot topic? It's just glorified emulation that pretends to be some super special thing, but again is just basic bitch emulation. The only reason it might be considered a "hot topic" is because shills and people who drank the FPGA Kool Aid post here trying to sell more weak machines.
>>10432982Hardware emulation =/= software emulation.
Why do you retards say fpga is emulation?
>>10432987Yes, hardware emulation is pointless and much more expensive
>>10432987>Hardware emulation =/= software emulation.It's all emulation all the way down. Not using original hardware and software? You're just using a pale, emulated imitation. There is nothing wrong with emulation, but don't try to pretend that there is any magical difference between hardware emulation and software.
>>10432989Because that's what it is, shill bro
>>10432994No, hardware emulation matters.>>10432996Hardware emulation is not a pale imitation.
>>10432997I get banned often here on /vr/ for calling out shills I stated a fact and fpga is not emulation
>>10433003>No, hardware emulation matters.???
>>10432982What aspects do you consider glorified?
>>10433003>Hardware emulation is not a pale imitation.But it is. Hardware emulation is pretending a modern machine is retro hardware. It's putting lipstick on a pig and going "Well this is clearly the superior way the devs intended us to play!" Again, I don't have anything against emulation, but there is a night and day difference between original hardware and software and emulation - all the accuracy in the world does not make the result the same, either.>>10433020>What aspects do you consider glorified?Claiming that hardware emulation is some magical alchemy that makes FPGA equal to the real deal. People get hyped up on ignorance and misunderstanding and spread misinformation that clouds good discussion like people pissing in a pool.
Remember when people laughed at the PS3 costing $599 when it was cutting edge tech and had a Blu ray player to boot? Now nearly 20 years later peeps are going to pay more than $700 for snake oil
>>10433029Equal? No. But an FPGA is objectively and demonstrably a better environment to emulate retro hardware in than what has come before with software emulation.
>>10433056People pay $30k for a handbag lol, $700 is nothing compared to what people spend on their interests and hobbies.
>>10433056MARS IS NOT SNAKE OIL!!!! It exists.https://twitter.com/MARSFPGA/status/1726313688288928009
>snake oil>rotting plasticits one guy making all these posts
>>10433152I started copying the rotting plastic guy.
$700 is less than what it would cost to buy all the consoles and computers that it runsnot to mention how much you would have to spend for all the peripherals and flashcarts and ODEs
>>10433252That is an argument that only sounds good in a vacuum.
>>10433260NTA but are you even using that terminology correctly lmao, how does it only sound good in a vacuum? Outside of the vacuum which is, I’m guessing, real life, it still sounds more convenient to buy one $700 item than hunt down all consoles plus flash carts and modding solutions
>>10433270Yes I am you ESL piece of shit.
>>10433312in what way?
I don't know what this is but if it can accurately emulate ps2 and dreamcast then it's worth existing
>>10435043>but if it can accurately emulate ps2Seriously, where the fuck are people getting the idea that PS2 is possible from?
>>10435174I think people are just assuming that if this device costs 700 dollarydoos, then it must do PS2 emulation. I don't think even the devs mentioned or insinuated that, or at least I hope not. Granted anyone that spends $700 just in the hopes of PS2 emulation deserves to get ripped off. There's chinkhelds that can do PS2 emulation for less, and even if they wanted the ORIGINAL experience on a flat panel they could just buy a PS2 with component cables and an upscaler.
>>10435206>and even if they wanted the ORIGINAL experience on a flat panel they could just buy a PS2 with component cables and an upscaler.That's what I'm using for the minute, but it's imperfect. Disc drives fail, and OPL has compatibility issues after you've scratched the surface of the PS2's library. In my own usage, Initial D Special Stage has occasional crashes and muffled/hissing audio after some playtime.Even an ODE would be a massive improvement for the PS2 scene, but no such thing exists yet.
>>10435206>I don't think even the devs mentioned or insinuated that, or at least I hope not. No one has, which is why the fact I'm starting to see it so regularly in these threads is baflling. As if $700 is some threshold that mean the PS2 is suddenly possible, I just can't believe how dumb this community is.
>>10431596My phone runs PS2
>>10435321I think the idea is that any future FPGA core runs the PS2 a bit better then some hack job fork of a hack job PS2 emulator.
>>10435263If you're not watching closely, it's not unreasonable to expect that an FPGA platform much more expensive than MiSTer is also better than it.
>>10435471Better doesn’t mean a PS2 core is possible, it is unreasonable to expect that. It took mazamars just under five years to reverse engineer the N64 and that had much more knowledge behind it than the PS2 has. So if someone picks it up tomorrow it’s not like you will playing anything for ages, assuming of course that MARS is even powerful enough to do it, which personally I doubt.
i emulate on my general-purpose computers for free
>>10436737With your $5 generic usb controller and standard desktop LCD monitor?
>>10436809>surplus office chair>surplus office 4:3 LCD with no HDMI input>surplus office PC>$10 Logitech controllerYep, it's gaming time.
>>10436858dangerously based>>10435471It may be more powerful than the MiSTer, but that doesn't mean that PS2 emulation would be that much of an easy process or that it'd be out instantly.
>>10436809I use a ps4 controller and my screen is oiled. Why? You trying to start some shit over it?
>>10436809i have a high refresh rate monitor and a controller with microswitch buttons and hall effect sticksi also have a tiny cheap controller i use with my phone and keep on a lanyard, mostly as a fashion accessory, but also to kill time in lines/waits by having friends play Sonic 2 XL, and Bubsy in Sonic 2
>>10431608the rotting plastic guy is a massive faggot. even mister fags hate that fag. please dont hate the mister over that fucker.