People hate this because it "isn't faithful to the cartoon" and doesn't have any of the cartoon's music. But isn't it an adaptation of the original comic? The box art is even directly from one of the comic covers.
>>10421818Except that kids back then only knew the cartoon, they didn't read the comics.Game itself is fine overall, just a bit too hard in the later levels (again, it was targeted at kids)
No, it's based on the show, it has Beebop and Rocksteady in the first stage. It's just that at that point there wasn't a ton of source material in that regard.With that said claiming it isn't faithful to the cartoon is just plain wrong.>story respects the material>every stage has its own story arc, like each stage was a different episode; all with cutscenes that respect the locations and who the characters are>all 4 turtles playable, each with their own weapons that play differentlyit's funny how people take that one for granted. It could very well have been just Leo. Also in the arcade/TMNT2 game all turtles play the same.>April, Splinter>Shredder, Beebop, Rocksteady, Footsoldiers, Mousers, Technodrome>Turtle van (playable) Turtle Blimp (cutscenes)>locations that make sense like sewers, city, technodromeYeah they made up a tons of stuff, but as I stated there wasn't a tons of material to pick & choose from at that point. Also some of the stuff they came up with could very well have been in the cartoon like the giant mutated frog enemy.For a licensed NES, it's extremely faithful to the source material. It's not like they just made a random platformer and pasted Leonardo onto it which is what a lot of licensed games did (or worse, not even having the playable character be something from the source material). Honestly, they specifically made a lot of effort to be faithful and anyone who says otherwise either hasn't played the game or has a hard case of memed opinion.
>>10421818>People hate this because it "isn't faithful to the cartoYeah, uh, stop right there. Which "people"? You want to prove this little assertion of yours before you carry on with whatever it is you came to complain about today?
in short they hadn't yet figured out that all players wanted to fight were 10 different variations of footsoldiers, regardless of whether said variations appear in the show. That's literally the only difference in terms of "faithfullness" compared to 2 and 3. In fact, 1 makes a lot more effort than those games.
>>10421864>eceleb garbageAh, should have known. Disregarded >>>/soc/ >>>/trash/
https://youtu.be/OGIIo1vPvGc?si=OzbZTyFGiZOr0bLI15 second loop, still lingers in my head after all this time.
>>10421861>(or worse, not even having the playable character be something from the source material).Are there actually any games that do that?
>>10421875Yes, pic related, which came out on the same system at around the same time
>>10421863>>10421869>Yeah, uh, stop right there. Which "people"? I'm one of those as it was my literal opinion back then, same goes for my friends.Stop being a retard to question something so obvious as this.
>>10421876Well to be fair to this game, they did put "Gaiden" in the title, which shows it was an intentional choice and not an accident.
>>10421879You and your friend didn't make it past the dam
>>10421885>You and your friend didn't make it past the damWhat an odd and retarded thing to say.While I never beat it myself, I was able to make it to the enemy base and rarely the technodrome. While a friend was able to eventually beat it.Amazing how people question the topic that the game does stray from the cartoon quite a bit. Most of the enemies are unfamiliar and even the boxart is from the comic and not the cartoon which makes everything just feel off.Both sequels are a better representation of the show than this.
>>10421913That's just what Japs did back then. Go play NES Batman and see how much of it resembles anything from the source, they just pumped out these shitty games and sold them with shit American kids liked slapped on it. They didn't start trying until later and games developed more into something other than cheap 8 bit shit.
>>10421953The Batman game has story, cutscenes, characters and level locations directly inspired by the movie, and the way Batman fights is faithful as well. And nobody ever called that game shitty.But it is a good point that liberties taken from the source material were common back then, which only strengthens the idea that most people didn't care that much and were happy with what they got. Sunsoft's Batman is often listed as one of the best Batman video game ever, which also shows the double standard regarding TMNT. The difference? AVGN didn't make a funny video about Batman.>>10421913The thing is, the moment you said "What this e-celeb says is what I've known since I was kid!!!", you outed yourself as an impressionable person suffering from memed opinion. You probably genuinely believe what you say too.
People don't hate it because of that, people hate it because it plays like ass and is difficult for wrong reasons.
>>10421861>claiming it isn't faithful to the cartoon is just plain wrongit's not really wrong. It's not really right either. The game overall is mostly faithful to the cartoon. But having like 80% of the enemy characters not in any of the other media kind of lowers its faithfulness a bit, even if they didn't have much to choose from at the time. Like if someone made a Terminator game that was full of enemies like giant frogs and flame men and guys with flying heads and so on it probably wouldn't really be considered faithful to the Terminator series regardless of the rest of the game
>>10421964I never watched your ecelebs bullshit opinion. Nice try though.
>>10421969yeah well maybe you play like ass, how bou dat
>>10421978agreed, i only watch regular celebrities opinions too
>>10421818It wasn't fun to play. As a kid I could either play it or go outside to play. I went outside to play instead.
>>10421974>Like if someone made a Terminator game that was full of enemies like giant frogs and flame men and guys with flying heads and so on it probably wouldn't really be considered faithful to the Terminator series regardless of the rest of the gameFlame guys, chainsaw guys and giant mutated frogs aren't that farfetched as far as TMNT lore goes.And no Terminator games did not do that. Instead they came up with a tons of robots of their own, that never were in the source material, and nobody complains about it. Making new robots for a Terminator game is the exact same thing as making a chainsaw guy and a giant frog for a TMNT game.>>10421969It plays fine, it's not a masterpiece but it's not bad. The game's only real mistake was throwing the player into the dam so early on.
>>10421861This is modified, isn't it? The pizza is further to the right in the original.
>>10422002yes, custom made; I made a bunch of other arrangements as well like modified the point at which the screen scrolls >>10421865but I never released it due to a glitch I introduced I havent fixed it
>>10421964The thing about the AVGN video is that the whole point of the character is that he's satirizing annoying nerds that nitpick every little thing about the game and fixate on the dumbest bullshit. People don't understand he's playing a character, perhaps because they are the annoying nerds he's mocking, and take the videos as his actual opinions and legitimate, valid criticism of the games. And so 20 years later you still see people treating his videos like silver bullets because some people are so arrogant that they literally cannot conceive of having understood something wrong and will blame everything except their own stupidity.
>>10422023Exactly. He's playing the role of an idiot, especially the older videos. Which makes it even more funny when people come around to claim "this is what I've known all along!", well congratulations, you're the idiot he's making fun of.
>>10422029>All claims about poor games come from AVGN and anyone sharing that opinion is a just copying him blind.Fuck off, people can have opinions that overlap (and predate his). Pretending otherwise is retarded. First I was told I never made it past the dam level and then I was told my opinion of the game was a false memory implanted by a youtuber.Delusional motherfuckers
>>10422023>is that he's satirizing annoying nerds that nitpick every little thing about the game and fixate on the dumbest bullshitWhy does he always throw in ff6 as his favourite snes game then? It makes no sense when he shits on good games other than he just wanted to use a popular IP for that particular video.
Any ROMhacks that just give you 4 Donatello's?
>>10421869>uhhh PROOV IT SO I CAN DISPROOV IT!!!shut up
>>10421987I did both, and both were fun. Outside is a good game. TMNT is a good game. Yes, outside is probably better. But variety is good in its own right.
>>10421981That's an interesting point.
Its an example of a game I could beat as a kid but playing today I require save states to get anywhere
>>10421818The game is quite good but could have been better if they did some things different. One is balancing the weapons. Obviously Don's bo staff is OP. The thing is, the game actually does have a way to fix this: different turtles do different amounts of damage to different enemies. Some will do more damage against a specific type of enemy. And this also applies to subweapons. The issue is this feature is underutilized, and usually Don's staff is doing max damage on everybody. The solution is then setting the damage rates to be more fair to the other turtles, and maybe give certain turtles enemy types they're good at. You could have it where Leo is good against foot soldiers, Raph is good against the mutant-type enemies, and Mikey is good against robot enemies for example. Then you'd also have more of a reason to switch out. "Oh, I'm fighting a bunch of robots here, better use Mikey. Oh, it's the frog enemy? Better switch to Raph."I think map changes would also be good. Allow for alternate routes and have actually good rewards at the end of dead-ends.I mean the game is fine as it is but if you wanted to improve the game there definitely is room.
>>10421998i wasn't saying Terminator didn't do that. I'm saying when almost all the enemies aren't in the prior media it's not really correct to say it's faithful to that media. It doesn't mean it's it's not a TMNT game though, they're allowed to add new stuff, but the more they add the less it is an accurate representation of the existing media, if that's what they were going for
>>10422509>>10422134Donatello isn't the best turtle. Raph is. He deals more damage and has a higher firing rate. Raph is the only one who can kill some of the enemies in one hit. Donatello has good range but is slow.The only turtle that doesn't do anything special is Mike, every other turtle has their own niche uses. But that's actually a recurrent thing in other TMNT games as well.
>>10422023Yes, he is playing a character and its over exaggerated in a lot of cases. The actual person he is is like polar opposite to the avgnHowever, there is something else I'd like to add and thats this idea zoomers, or perhaps old shut ins, have that the only negative opinions about games come from youtubers. A lot of the time when you see a youtuber shit on a game, what they're actually doing is parroting the popular opinion already held because that is appealing to who they're making videos for, which isn't people born after 1995. But if you weren't actually alive back in the day or actually had a social circle with other gamers, you wouldn't know that. For example Bubsy was always shat on long before Youtube existed, but people who weren't born yet or maybe it was the only game they had in their village and they didn't have any friends wouldn't know that I guess
>>10422976I still remember Ulillillia's video of Bubsy 3D where he treats it like it's an amazingly deep game with tons of hidden secrets to discover. It just goes to show you can get anything out of any game if you know how to do it.
>>10422149>posts eceleb garbage>acts outraged when he's thrown in the trashwhere you belong
>>10421879You're either lying right now to try to "win" an internet fight, or you were a mentally ill child. Nobody hated this game because "it isn't faithful to the cartoon". It's a made-up nonsense argument that you'd have to be completely ignorant of the entire industry of video gaming to believe. It's a concept that would not even enter the brains of the 8-13 year old demographic the game was aimed at. It's literally the made up contrarian non-argument of a bitter 30-year old popcult manchild looking for something to complain about.
>>10424126Nevermind ecelebs, I pulled up the November 1989 issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly and most of the reviewers were less than pleased with the game. That proves that there were contemporary reviews that were critical of the game. You can look see it for yourself on the Internet Archive if you don't believe me. Page 10 of the November 1989 issue of EGM.
>>10421861>It's not like they just made a random platformer and pasted Leonardo onto itDonkey donkey picnic
>>10421818>The box art is even directly from one of the comic covers.That's called being a cynical lazy cash grab.
>>10424253The game had a lot of work put into it. It's hardly what I'd call lazy.
>>10422728>Donatello isn't the best turtle. Raph is. He deals more damage and has a higher firing rate.This is incorrect.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/nes/587689-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/faqs/70362That's the damage chart. Let's look through it.>Foot Soldier>Raphael: 2 hits>Donatello: 1 hit>Rock Soldier>Raphael: 4 hits>Donatello: 2 hits>Chainsaw Man>Raphael: 4 hits>Donatello: 3 hits, 2 hits with power bonusYou sometimes get a power bonus if you're below half health against certain enemies on certain turtles, except Raph almost never gets a power bonus.>Fire Freak>Raph 3 hits>Don 2 hits>Giant Frog>Raph 5 hits>Don 3 hitsIt just goes on and on like this. There's no enemy that Raph can kill in fewer hits than Don. Don's weapon is slower, sure, but it hits the absolute hardest and it has the best range.Donatello is the best turtle, hands down.
>>10425184>You sometimes get a power bonus if you're below half health against certain enemies on certain turtles
>>10421818It's definitely got a song that ends with the same notes as "TURTLE POWER"
>>10421879Yeah me and my friends liked this game and played it often. We even beat the impossible swimming stage (the 2nd stage) when we were like 8.
>>10425191At least it's the only Ninja Turtles game where not literally every song in a game is a remix of the cartoon's theme song.
>>10425184>Chainsaw ManConsidering Fujimoto's affinity for western media, I would be completely willing to believe that he has actually played this game and that's how he came up with the idea for Chainsaw Man.
>>10421818>People hate this
>>10424205Sorry Jim but I don't believe you beat 200 games. Polaroids or it didn't happen.
>>10425184That is interesting, however doing such empirical testing is NOT how one should make a FAQ and is prone to errors. You'd have to be really stupid to do an FAQ like this when you can have access to the RAM of the game within two clicks on an emulator.This reminds me of some guy who wanted to manually count how many bullets it takes to kill zombies in Resident Evil... this is wrong because for all he knows damage or enemy HP may vary, and indeed, zombies HP is semi-randomized.
imagine being raphaelyour sole reason for existing is to take hits so donatello doesn't have tono wonder he's always angry
>>10425184Raphael sucks so much. Maybe the idea for him was to be the best turtle for skilled players, since they can afford to get in close, will appreciate his speed, and can stay at high health where the power bonus doesn't matter? But that doesn't make sense because of course even a skilled player CAN easily get the power bonus by simply taking a bit of damage deliberately... still, I could see that being the rationale. Maybe. It doesn't have to make much sense to be believable, since the obvious reasoning behind Donatello's strength (that being its compensation for his slowness) falls apart completely during actual play, which means the people who designed these weapons simply weren't good at it.Also, the boomerang rules. Infinite-ish ammo, high range, great damage - it's the best!
>>10425278It's kind of fitting that Raphael sucks because the sai is a defensive weapon used for parrying, and he uses it as if it's a pair of daggers. I don't know if they knew this when they originally created him, but somehow it worked out.I'd like to play a Turtles game that has an actual parrying mechanic for Raph.
>>10421818as a kid I hated it because everyone has one weapon
>>10421818People hate it because it's annoying as fuck to play. It's floaty as hell, runs like crap with constant sprites flickering, enemies respawn too much for a game with labyrinthine level design full of dead ends and backtracking.
>>10425415Been a while since I played it, but aren't the enemy spawns also randomized? I remember you could change screen and there'd be an entirely different group of enemies. You could use this to your advantage to spawn in ones that are easier to handle. I remember this because I think it's the only time I've ever seen a game do something quite like this.
>>10425516There are two groups of enemies that can spawn yeah, but iirc it's only for certain levels and only in the first world and the other city stage (the one with the van)
>>10425516The choice of which of the two groups of enemies to go with is random I think, but not the locations of the enemies within the stage. So although you can reroll in some cases, doing so doesn't give you a lot of control.
>>10425239>such empirical testing is NOT how one should make a FAQ and is prone to errors. You'd have to be really stupid to do an FAQ like thisIf i was looking for that information I would rather have that than nothing. I don't think most people are going to care if it's a tiny bit off. It's fairly old too, there probably wasn't much info around on how to do it the way you're saying it must be done
>>10421818maybe now they hate it, i don't know, but back when it came out it was awesome. I was really into the turtles at the time too. Still one of my favourite games on the NES
>>10426836When I was a kid in the 90s I started with NES even though SNES was already out at the time because that was what my parents got me, so pretty much all the NES games had already been released. So I played this one and not long after it I played The Arcade Game and I was surprised at how much better The Arcade Game was. It's not to say this is a bad game but I find it difficult to conceive of liking it more than The Arcade Game.Never did play The Manhattan Project (I think I almost did but the cartridge we got was broken so we had to return it and never tried it again). Really gotta go back and try that someday.
felt like every kid had this game. My favorite this about it is that you could choose with turtle to play
>>10421864AVGN has always been exaggerated satire of what nerds were percieved as before the 2010s, James Rolfe didn't even record the gameplay, that was always Mike Matei, Bootsey or during the Screenwave era, Kieran.
>>10421851I read the comics. But I was a pretty cool kid so I can't speak for normies
>>10422023The AVGN videos are satirical but a lot of his complaints are valid. Half the shit he screeches about are things we all found infuriating when we first played these games. That's why so many people find it relatable even if is exaggerated. That pizza being unobtainable *is* complete fucking bullshit and we should be angry about it
>>10427114pizza was just some cheeky banter, nothing to get upset about
>>10426920I'm glad the screenwave era is over, but Keiran seemed the best of all of them.
>>10427116Plus it's not like you NEED the pizza, there's an actually obtainable slice of pizza just two screens beforehand. If you're in a position where the pizza will somehow make or break you, you've got bigger problems.
>>10426884I never beat Manhattan Project growing up, a friend had it and it was way harder than the Arcade game since the super moves cost health. At least got to Dirtbag though which was good, because that was one of the first times I remember a video game making an actual attempt at a joke and getting me and my friend to laugh.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIzi7RLqqw
>>10424113>proov it!!!>UHHH - THAT DOESNT COUNT!!eat shit, you autistic faggot. you never say anything that resembles you having a thought outside of any contrarian 4tard speak
>>10421953The NES Batman game is interesting because it straight up has comic based bosses and enemies like KGBeast and electrecutioner, and a lot of them are very obscure even for the time
>>10427796I wonder if with these Japanese comic book games they just handed them a bunch of pictures of comic book characters and let them choose what they want to use. X-Men: Children of the Atom and later MvC2 inexplicably have Spiral, and to this day I still have no idea who she even is.
>>10426819>It's fairly old too, there probably wasn't much info around on how to do it the way you're saying it must be doneLast update is from 2014. Are you one of those zoomers that think anything before this time were the medieval ages?
>>10421818Never hated any of the Ninja Turtles games that I've played. I had this one when I was a kid and played it quite often in the early 90s. Played the original arcade cabinet of Turtles II as I didn't get the NES game for a number of years later. Only rented Turtles III on NES as a kid and then picked it up in the early 2010s. Got Turtles in Time around early 1993 as it was something I wanted for Christmas but didin't get. Still to this day other than MAME I've never had the chance to play a Turtles in Time arcade cabinet. I'm not counting those reproduction cabinet shits that Walmart sold a while back. Funny how everyone also mentions how hard the game is but I literally beat the original game while I was in preschool no problem. Sure, died a bit during the underwater parts but just kept playing until I beat it. Anyone who gets easily filtered by these games clearly didn't play anything at all remotely difficult in the past or just too used to being spoonfed easier shit now days as well as cheat codes, etc. I even know a few younger people in the retro game scene that can't even get through a game without a guide. I didn't have that luxury at all until the late 90s and even then I'd wait until I was at least stuck on a game for a solid month or so before finding a text walkthrough through fucking GameFAQs.
>>10422029not an idiot, a nerd.
>>10421818As someone who grew up in the 2000s, to me personally, this has been coming across as an extremely bizarre trend to me, in regards to tons of "nostalgic" 80s properties.Most TMNT fans think of any of the cartoons or brawler games, rather than any of the comics.Transformers fans still masturbate themselves over how "dark" the '86 film was all the damn time (and ignoring how fun the actual show could be), while oblivious to the fact that the Marvel comic not only came first, but had a serialized story with the exact kind of drama, consequences, and lore that they demand.G.I. Joe is a franchise on life support because I GUESS everybody would sooner remember the 80s PSAs that people made fun of even when I was a kid on the internet, rather than acknowledge Larry Hama's ARAH comic, which is still going.And don't get me started on all the Star Wars fans who could never be assed to pick up a novel....Really, all I can take away from this is that 80s American children really hated to read, apparently.
>>10428449I was born in '86. An older guy dating my aunt showed me the TMNT comics and I shared it with my friends and we all thought it was badass, but of course we all knew the cartoon first. I don't ever remember my peers caring a lot about the Transformers story we just liked the toys and the cartoon was just something to watch that got us excited for the toys, I think caring about Transformers story was always nerd shit even when I was a kid. I feel like GI Joe was already dying in the '90s, did it have some sort of resurgence after 9/11 or something?I was a Star Wars fan who read the first couple of EU book trilogies before the prequels came out. That was uncommon for a kid my age but what *was* common was kids reading Shadow of the Empire because of the N64 game, toys, and comic based on it. There was a huge marketing push for the EU stuff before the prequels released. I was just old enough to hate the prequels but younger kids grew up loving them and read EU books about them. Honestly part of the reason why Disney SW is so hated is because people did read the books and played the games based on their lore.
>>10424205You're a very special kind of idiot, aren't you?I really don't have any words for any drooler dumb enough to post *magazine reviews* as an argument. You're under 30, just say it.
>>10421851What the FUCK is up with the "games for kids are not allowed to be hard"?? dude we all played shit ton of ganes back in the 80s and 90s and even the 2000s with no guide no internet no nothing, and we did fucking fine. the reason?? we had all the fucking time of the worldand we were damm good at itso what the fuck is up with this shit meme that tommy cabt play hard video games??
>>10421851WrongEveryone I knew owned the comics too and preferred them to the cartoonThe cartoon wasn't that bad either though
>>10427114>but a lot of his complaints are valid.No they aren't.>That pizza being unobtainable *is* complete fucking bullshit and we should be angry about itCrying about the unobtainable pizza was one of his many invalid complaints.James is shit at video games and doesn't know what he's talking about. He got popular because he was among the first to make videos on NES games for Youtube at a time when people were first getting nostalgic for the NES. Basically the right place at the right time for the absolute wrong guy.It also helps that his big rival was Chris Bores, a person who knew even less about video games, making James look like the expert by comparison.
>>10428449>Transformers fans still masturbate themselves over how "dark" the '86 film was all the damn time (and ignoring how fun the actual show could be), I tried watching the first 5 episodes of Transformers. It seems like overrated trash. When does it get good?>while oblivious to the fact that the Marvel comic not only came first, but had a serialized story with the exact kind of drama, consequences, and lore that they demand.Transformers had a comic made by Marvel? Or did you change what you were talking about midsentence?
>>10428386They are the same thing.
>>10428449This kind of thing still happens to this day. People cry about the Witcher show not being accurate to the video games, apparently not realizing that it's adapting the books. You know, I understand why people don't like to read, why they'd rather watch TV and play video games, because the mind of the average person has become so infantilized. What I don't understand is the arrogance with which they criticize these shows for choosing to faithfully adapt a book for once instead of adapting a fucking video game. It's like they cannot conceive of something not pandering specifically to their tastes and no one else's.
>>10428616I'm 33. I've been posting on this site since before you were born. And since you are incapable of following a conversation where the point is not spoonfed to you, the point of posting the reviews is to disprove the original claim about what people thought of the game back then. I know this is before your time, but back in 1989, there weren't internet video game reviews, so magazines were the only option. There was, in fact, a time before the internet. Maybe you should have thought about that before posting, but it's clear that thinking is something you do not do very often. Dumbass.
>>10429461>Transformers had a comic made by Marvel?Yes, it ran for 80 issues in the US.
>>10429364Pic related: the comics everyone preferred over the cartoon.
>>10429662The with her with superman was good, the woke show after the good witcher got cancelled was fucking abysmal. Horrible half thought out story full of panderverse mechanisms.
>>10421818I got this as a young child hoping it would be like the cartoon and I got an incredibly fun game with a TMNT IP. I remember being 5 years old and confused at the movie for much the same reasons.I don't know how the home computer ports are. I tried playing the DOS version once and it was awful.
>>10428449>Transformers fans masturbate themselves over how "dark" the '86 film was all the damn timeYeah so? When you're a kid there's nothing cooler than something you like getting a slightly more dark take. This is also why the live action TMNT movie is so loved, it took the thing as seriously as you did.Plus, the Transformers movie isn't all grim. It's still fun and lighthearted in parts, it's got a badass soundtrack, some of the most memorable character moments, and hell it's the movie that turned the Dinobots into funny guys instead of the pissed guys, it definitely had fun, not to mention it just had a much higher level of animation that can be praised without pea brained Zillennials incessantly complaining "ZOMG 80S ANIMATION HOW CAN U EVEN STOMACH ITTT", so it's also pretty much the only piece of G1 you can try to rec to johnny come lately "fans" of the series to at least give them a taste of what it's really about.>(and ignoring how fun the actual show could be)Who does this though, if anything I've noticed something of a pocket of "show only" fans who dislike the movie for focusing on new characters and taking it to outer space instead of the normal Earth shit, more so than I notice movie fans who dislike the show>while oblivious to the fact that the Marvel comic not only came first, but had a serialized story with the exact kind of drama, consequences, and lore that they demand.Nobody who's an older school TF fan is oblivious to the Marvel comics, in online spaces it used to be much more jerked off than the cartoon as comics tend to be viewed as the more "hardcore" fandom option among nerds. The thing is, it's not a short series, and it's a branching continuity between the US and UK books that are also extensive, making two different long running comics to have to read, so it's not exactly a casual affair to get into just for an alternate version of the same characters>>10428570TF has been more "badass" at points than SW ever was
>>10429718Those comics were made after the cartoon to capitalize on the cartoon's success. The original, superior comics were in black and white.
>>10429732What in the absolute hell are you on about? The Witcher with Liam Hemsworth has not even aired yet. I swear you people just make up shit, slap together a bunch of buzzwords in your post, and hope nobody notices. You are completely reliant on nobody else having any idea what you are talking about so that your bullshit goes unchallenged and accepted as the truth, and the moment you run into someone who actually does, you immediately crumble.
>>10429701>I know this is before your time, but back in 1989, there weren't internet video game reviewsSure thing zoomie
>>10429882The live action TMNT movie took itself seriously? Are we thinking of the same one?
>>10430846Not him, but yeah. The original movie did. The characters goofed around a lot, but the movie made a sincere attempt to tell a grounded-ish story despite the outlandish elements.
>>10430067The black and white comics were complete trash and nobody cared about them, a fact that eternally butthurt Eastman and Laird. When you think TMNT you think Krang, the Technodrome, Bebop and Rocksteady, Leatherhead, Slash, and on and on. Meanwhile what did those comics have? Shredder's a clone now but a midget? Fuck off.
>>10430963You're full of shit. The original comic was intended as a one-shot but was so popular that Laird and Eastman made more.
>>10428449The reverse, actually. Joe suffers because the fans are so closed off from anything that isn't Larry Hama's comics or identical green guys fighting Cobra Troopers.
>>10430435Noooo everyone hated it!! I've known this since I was a kid!!!
>>10430435*SNAP*This ones goes into my challenge collage. Where can I find old posts like this, so I can add more players saying how they praise challenge (I already got plenty from marketers and reviewers).
>>10429461>When does it get good?Thing is with the show, it's more of an episode-by-episode affair? Some are super fun imo, while others were clearly written on autopilot cuz they were rushing. Some of the best episodes are from S2 I think though: few of my favorites were the New York episode with every NY gimmick imaginable crammed in, the episode where Blitzwing+Astrotrain try to make up their own world-conquering schemes but fail miserably, and the one where a human game hunter tries hunting Autobots. Also both S3 episodes that star Octane, love the bastard. In general though, look for episodes that focus on a specific character; that was the show's strong suit, giving highlight eps for each character's personality to shine in.>There was a Marvel comic?Yes, and it's what established most of the lore and characters that would then appear in the show! Same goes for GI Joe, Micronauts, ROM Spaceknight, etc. It's really great serialized action with good humor AND drama, but if you try it, give the UK printing a read: it was apparently more popular than the show there, and they made original stories to expand on the narrative, until the UK creatives took over the main US comic outright at a certain point. Also their print quality was better lol>>10429882U misunderstand, I love both the show+movie and comic! Just that I find many G1 fans just want the G1 setting but taken seriously; that's why stuff like the Netflix trilogy exists, it's pandering to those people, just while being very bad unfortunately. They cry about nobody making anything good that appeals to their tastes, when the Marvel comic is sitting right there, yet they're oblivious to it. Usually these're people who were born after the 80s though, like 90s kids-onwards.I was just lamenting that people hyperfixate on the 86 film's serious-er scenes while ignoring the sillier or funner bits of the film + the actual show, those are just as definitively TF as anything to me.
>>10429461>>10429882Also, TECHNICALLY US and UK Marvel TF are two diifferent continuities, but that's not entirely accurate I think? the UK continuity is 99% compatible with the US - most stories are just to expand on the original US stories, and while it eventually became unruly and splintered off into its own continuity, like... they were still reprinting the US issues (by now being written by the UK creative team anyways), and the stories that split off were explicitly B&W-only, more light-hearted comics, that very clearly diverged from the main story and only existed to fill page space. So, it's not like the UK just stopped receiving the "true" story; they were still receiving the full thing.
>>10431353I'll admit I'm new to G.I. Joe as a series, but I don't think that's entirely fair? My first exposure to it (besides the youtube parodies of the PSAs) was the first live-action movie, which I only saw cuz stupid kid-me thought it was Mission Impossible lawl. I found it fairly forgettable though, and apparently the proceeding films only got worse and worse.As for cartoons, there were a couple in the 2000s, but I recall them having some silly plot nitpicks, like one in which Snake Eyes couldn't speak because his vocal chords got damaged instead of it being voluntary, but he never thought to just write lol? Haven't seen em, going off of osmosis here FYI.Comics, though? Well the Devil's Due ones were a branching continuity of Hama's Marvel comic, so while they were well-received I doubt that counts? Meanwhile for IDW, anyone could tell you that that was a total shitshow - and not the subjective kind like IDW Transformers where "oh it has flaws depending on writer, but there's stuff to like if the good parts are to your personal tastes!". Though the GI Joe VS TF miniseries was tight. And now with Skybound, it's too early to tell, but both TF and Joe fans seem to be optimistic so far? So, we'll see.tl;dr maybe Joefriends stick to Hama so tightly because, he's still one of the only ones that did/is doing the story good?
>>10428105I remember Spiral from the 90s cartoon but I agree with your overall point. Maybe more so with the Marvel Superheroes fighting game as I had no idea who Shuma Gorath and Blackheart were.
>>10432134>I was just lamenting that people hyperfixate on the 86 film's serious-er scenes while ignoring the sillier or funner bits of the film + the actual show, those are just as definitively TF as anything to me.I agree, the true spirit of Transformers is being cool and being able to be serious when needed but still having a sense of humor and being fun. The Netflix shitshow failed on that level among many others. I think people's fixation the '86 movie just comes from it basically being the show but on steroids, it ups the ante in every way including being way more brutal since it got to ignore the common cartoon law of "good guys always win" and like I said when you're a little kid, that's exactly the kind of thing you want>They cry about nobody making anything good that appeals to their tastes, when the Marvel comic is sitting right there, yet they're oblivious to it. Usually these're people who were born after the 80s though, like 90s kids-onwards.Well, comics aren't for everybody. Not everybody who likes cartoons likes reading comics, so that's one thing...and even if you do they can still sometimes be intimidating or feel like a big dedication of time. There is just something that feels more leisurely about following a comic as it comes out, or even reading a bunch of comics that are shorter stories as opposed to jumping into a huge completed series or catching up with the backlog of a long ongoing series. I know enough about the Marvel G1 just from being a fan for so long, there are certain ideas, characters, and stories you will inevitably know from the comics, but I have to admit actually reading them has been something I've flirted with but put off forever now.
>>10429364>Wrong>Everyone I knewWhat's that like 3 people. "WRONG". Lol. I watched the cartoons growing up and have never even seen one of the comics
>>10425239I am the one who wrote that FAQ actually, and while I agree the method might be archaic since I didn't have the slightest clue how to access the RAM or whatnot back then, I don't think any of the results are actually wrong. Enemies have the same HP every time and they don't heal unless respawning from off screen. Or would you rather I erase the entire thing and replace it with "CHECK THE MOST RELEVANT SPEEDRUNNING DISCORD FOR DATA" instead?
>>10432357Shuma is a straight odd choice though not surprising considering Japan's obsession with octopus shit. Blackheart may seem like a weird one, but he was a fairly new character who had been getting appearances with some of the at the time big names in Marvel so I don't find it that odd (Ghost Rider was more popular at the time in general too, even more than he has been since his live action films that nobody cares about), so I think with him it's more weird in retrospect since the character hasn't had as much relevance since the 90s
>>10425239If it's so easy to get more accurate information then feel free to do so and post the info with evidence.
>>10429701>blah blah blah I "proved" my idiotic opinion is real because a games journalist said so>games journalists definitely speak on behalf of the millions of kids who played the gameYou truly are a special kind of idiot.I mean I really, really have no words for how braindead someone like you is. I really want to ask how you failed so badly at logic and perceiving reality.
>>10430435Old usenet posts are interesting but one thing that bugs me about them is digging through the archives maintained by Google creates the perception that that is all the online discussion there WAS from back then. It makes it look like this tiny sampling were the only people using computers to talk about X Y Z fandom subjects when in reality there was 20x more discussion content to be found among more distributed local area groups, BBSes, culled/filtered newsgroups (it's hard to really explain how chaotic/disorganized newsgroups were, it wasn't like a web forum or a chan where someone makes a post and everyone can go see it, that wasn't how the technology worked), etc. But people don't like vagueness, ambiguity, and conflicting coherency of different subcultures, so when they go to write an article about "here's what people were saying 30 years ago about X" they just point to the first Google-archived usenet post they can find. It's like digging up an gay art urn from a rich ancient greek degenerate pederast hedonist's mansion and thinking "yeah this proves everyone was fucking boys all the time" (they weren't).
>>10433178>Not everybody who likes cartoons likes reading comics, so that's one thing...and even if you do they can still sometimes be intimidating or feel like a big dedication of time.You're right, that's entirely true. On the same token, I feel tho that many people don't read comics because either they don't know how to conveniently get them (be it physically or digitally, manga are always in cheap but convenient lil volumes which's i guess why they're so popular today), or they just don't know they exist. You definitely pick up on comic Transformers if you make the effort to interact with the deeper fandom, but if you're a semi-casual who only knows about it through what people post on youtube or tumblr or w/e, you'd be lucky to know much more than Animated, TFP, and Beast Wars. So I like to spread the word more, s'all :)>I have to admit actually reading them has been something I've flirted with but put off forever now.Oh I feel ya, that's me with most cape comics lawl. I'd honestly recommend it though, it's just fun to read thru - the tone is very pulpy and fun. If you like Beast Wars, you'd be able to tell how much it was directly influenced by Marvel TF just from the writing style I think, lel.
>>10425415When I had this game, Super Mario Brothers/Duck Hunt and RC Pro AM I played TMNT the most. There are worse games to be saddled with.
>>10425415F I L T E R E D
>>10429364>Everyone I knew owned the comics too and preferred them to the cartoonyou and your brother mark don't count as "everyone".i'm not going to pretend that the original comics weren't awful and nobody cared about them because things like the cartoons, games or movies wouldn't exist without them at the end of the day but you're fucking delusional if you think the 80s cartoons or the live action movies weren't more popular than the comics. especially when like 90% of TMNT media borrows from them more than the comics.
>>10428449>Transformers fans still masturbate themselves over how "dark" the '86 film was all the damn time (and ignoring how fun the actual show could be), while oblivious to the fact that the Marvel comic not only came first, but had a serialized story with the exact kind of drama, consequences, and lore that they demand.also most transformers fans can't let go of G1 and everything HAS to be like G1 otherwise it's shit. meanwhile beast wars, the unicron trilogy (armada/energon/cybertron) and the "aligned continuity" (the cybertron games/TF: prime/robots in disguise) are arguably better iterations of transformers.>>10429882>"ZOMG 80S ANIMATION HOW CAN U EVEN STOMACH ITTT"in fairness G1 transformers is (and even now with current iterations) pretty retarded with scaling & perspectives similar to how the original gundam was at times so i can understand people being like that.1>>10428449>>10431353>>10432159the movies are a huge factor for why GI joe is effectively a dead franchise and i will still say to this day that the expendables were better GI joe movies than the actual GI joe movies. as much as people like to rag on bayformers it did keep the franchise relevant and revitalized. like when they teased GI joe in rise of beasts i was the only one who was excited in the theater.as for the cartoons? the last one i remember was renegades which i believe was originally suppose to be an adult swim show but somehow got reworked into a show on the hub. it was basically a GI joe version of the A-team.
>>10428449>>10428449>And don't get me started on all the Star Wars fans who could never be assed to pick up a novel.i've read them and i unironically hate the star wars novels and most of the EU in general because it's all glorified fanfiction that nerds treat as gospel despite never really being acknowledged or appearing in the movies while also either contradicting or ruining stuff in the movies. it's the same reason why i hate halo's EU and think that TES lore is overrated.
>>10425278The Japanese just hate Raph because he's rude.
>>10435451>meanwhile beast wars, the unicron trilogy (armada/energon/cybertron) and the "aligned continuity" (the cybertron games/TF: prime/robots in disguise) are arguably better iterations of transformers.Eh, Beast Wars for sure was a step up in writing but it can't be denied that part of Beast Wars' charm is its connection to G1, it felt all the more special because of that. Unicron Trilogy though? I really think a lot of criticisms of G1 are applicable to it as well, and those that aren't can be replaced by other criticisms. As much as G1 was a goofy kids cartoon with some questionable animation, Unicron Trilogy is a goofy kids anime with some questionable animation. It's a pick your poison situation really, if you're not also into shit like Digimon, Beyblade, Yu Gi Oh, etc you likely won't like a lot of that era of anime TFAligned was off to a great start but I don't really think RiD2015 lives up to the games or Prime, and in some ways feels more like those 00s TF animes that are not everyones cup of tea, and honestly a little Power Rangers-like too with the "monster of the week" approach to Decepticons.
>>10435296I think sprite flickering is a completely legitimate reason to be filtered. "Haha scrub you don't want to irreversibly damage your eyes, filtered"
>>10435457I only ever read the Timothy Zahn books and they were awesome. No idea about the rest of the books. The Kyle Katan character and series was pretty cool too story wise. I never dig deeper tho. Oh yea shadows of the empire was a pretty cool book I just remembered, although that was pushed hard by George to see if there was enough interest to go forward w his prequels. Would’ve been an awesome movie.
>>10435457>>10436367What's ironic is that Disney Star Wars has a closer relationship between the books and movies, creating stuff in books that is seen in the movies, shows, etc. And now you have an entirely different group of people who hate it for daring to acknowledge stuff outside the movies, or saying you have to read the books to understand what's going on. You don't because the story is not that complicated. It's more like a little bonus for the people who actually care. I don't because when I used to read the old EU novels I didn't read many real books, but now that I'm more into reading I've started noticing just how awful the prose is, it really is made for young teenagers. I tried one of the new Thrawn books and had to put it down when he said a character "winced" twice within a few sentences of each other. Ironic because Timothy Zahn is supposedly one of the best EU writers and I remember liking Heir to the Empire a lot when I was younger, but clearly this kind of stuff isn't for me anymore. So I just stick with the shows, and I may stop watching those too once Disney+ gets rid of password sharing, although I suppose piracy is still an option, but am I motivated to do that for Star Wars? Not too much.
>>10435601Raph may be rude, but he's also cool. Michelangelo, meanwhile, is a party dude.
>>10436374I mean I haven’t read it since I was a teenager (Zahn), but Star Wars isn’t some high iq insane on the level of citizen Kane. It’s just the peak of the old sci fi pulps it’s ripped from where 60s Batman tier. I did go on to get a degree in literature, but while I’m sure the writing won’t be anywhere near where my critical eye is now after studying Melville Fitzgerald Homer or Dostoyevsky, there are parts that really stuck out to me to this day that he conveyed like the empire is a stand in for nazis (stormtroopers and all that) but Thrawn was so vicious and brilliant they looked past that for him to advance to Admiral. His relationship w the commanders (Nogri?). It got the message across and made enough of an impression but I do need to re read them. Disney Star Wars has been totally unwatchable other than the soft reboot force awakens. I know a lot of people have a problem w the woke, it’s for me, just so fucking boring. I never thought I’d rather watch the prequels over anything but yeah, it’s boring and especially shit like Last Jedi where the side plot literally kills all but 13 alliance members… yeah the writing is Swiss cheese but beyond that it’s just flat out fucking boring.
>>10436503Looked past him being an alien* or non Anglo.
>>10421851No the kids were also reading the comics.The comics based on the cartoons.I did have one friend who had the "weird" turtles comic with the bad art. We didn't realize it was the original...
>>10432159>silly plot nitpicks, like one in which Snake Eyes couldn't speak because his vocal chords got damaged instead of it being voluntary, but he never thought to just write lol?That was in the old G.I.Joe, the comics that is, don't know about the cartoons, didn't watch them.He could write, when he needed to, though it was rarely shown.He had a long written monologue in the final issue of the original run.>tl;dr maybe Joefriends stick to Hama so tightly because, he's still one of the only ones that did/is doing the story good?Hama is synonymous with G.I.Joe because for the longest time he was basically the only writer. All the classic story arcs were him. He wrote the bios for the plastic figures for Hasbro and I think he was involved with the cartoon too (which I never watched)
>>10436340it isn'tyou don't need to wear a welding mask when playing NES
>>10431353The final years of Hama's original run were so far removed from generic army guys and cobra troopers it's not even funny... to the point I started resenting the guy lmao. Though I understand now he was probably putting in all that scifi crap under pressure from Hasbro. Gotta sell the newest plastic gimmick.Anyway the whole appeal of the series was it's not just generic army stuff. But there's gotta be a balance. I feel like Joes work the best when it's like a team of James Bonds. Mostly normal guns and intrigue etc. but the occasional high tech gadget and a weird supervillain. Not just a constant barrage of Heinlein craziness.
>>10421818Wish they made sequels to this game instead of just doing side scrolling beat em ups (which I also liked)
>>10421880That's such a lame cop-out, though.>Visit the world of Eternia for the first time on NES in HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE gaiden>Play as the all new character Jumpboots!>Face off against a bevy of new foes!>Only see He-Man, Skeletor, and the Masters of the Universe in cutscenes!
>>10436798Perhaps this wasn't true back then, but games where you self-insert as a blank slate protagonist are all the rage these days, especially if there's character customization. In fact, come to think of it, something like Elder Scrolls for example has been around long enough to be retro. So I see the appeal of putting a new protagonist in an existing world, especially if that protagonist is meant to be "you."
>>10436123>Unicron Trilogy is a goofy kids anime with some questionable animationEhhh, only if you watched the dubs. I'll grant you Galaxy Force (Cybertron) being a silly kids anime though, but that's only because it was by a different studio from the first two shows, and was a marked departure in tone.The first 20 episodes of Micron Legend (Armada) were pretty run-of-the-mill too, but I forgive it cuz they were still figuring out their footing.Both Micron Legend AND Super Link (Energon) are sincerely two of the most maturely-written pieces of TF media in general, but almost all of that was lost because of the dubs. TF fans, along with Pokemon and DBZ fans, are I think the only ones left who still treat the dubs as "the default" options, but the TF dubs were uniquely terrible.For Armada, the dub aired an entire fucking half-year earlier than in JP, and as such, the dub featured incomplete and worse animation, sloppy sound mixing, extremely stilted performances, and a rushed translation that overly-simplified all the dialogue to the point not even the BW alumni could save it.And then Super Link was botched even worse - to the point that 20 years later its reputation is STILL in the gutter.All of them have fansubs that're even on Youtube in full, I can't recommend giving those versions another shot enough. ML especially feels like its dialogue and writing are very personal and nuanced, and the JP VA's are phenomenal with a ton of range. (helps that they can actually be heard now with well-balanced and fitting music, as opposed to loud american techno blaring over their voices).Demolishor in particular is one of my favorite characters in the entire franchise just for how he was handled by Micron Legend and Super Link, but the dubs turned him into another generic "hehehe evil" goon. Starscream and Megatron's arc in the former show had way more nuance and respect, too, while the dub made it a very stupid black-and-white morality thing. Bleh.
>>10437204A modern He-Man game where you get to mix-and-match body parts to make a unique character like the current toyline highly promotes would be boss as hell.But picking up an NES game promoting He-Man but you never play as him, nor even actually see him outside the title and ending screen would have labeled it as the worst game of all time.
>>10421818People hate it because it sucks.
>>10425521Nah you get different enemies in the dam stage. Go in an out of a door and you'll see what I mean.
>>10430435>who learned their ninja skills from their master, a rat, ShredderThrow this review in the trash. Also, (You) and 99.9999999% of normies had no access to Usenet.
>>10430846The first TMNT movie is the best one, and yeah, it's a little darker than the cartoon.
>>10437291Is that actually what this Mashin Hero Wataru game does? I'll admit I know nothing about that particular game, or the original anime. But most games I know of that do the self-insert thing are more along the lines of, the characters do play a large role in the story, you get to meet them and fight alongside them and all that, and the point is that you get to feel like you're a hero just like them, instead of just playing as them, or something like that. Obviously there are also people who would prefer just playing as the actual characters, but I usually see what they're going for with the self-insert angle.
The weird and off model qualities of the original NES TMNT game are part of it's charm. I get that the beat-em-ups are a lot more crowd pleasing but the original NES game is a good game. It has it's fair share of 8-bit bullshit but no more than a lot of other games from that era. If I could beat the dam level as a 6 year old then it's not too hard
>>10437380It's more like you're playing a Gundam game, but it's not Amuro in the cockpit, it's YOU because Amuro got captured by Char. You never play as Wataru, but you do pilot/fight alongside his mecha in an attempt to rescue him.
>>10437356I know that this is just an obnoxious /v/-tier bit, but "You got one word wrong; opinion invalidated!" has always been the most retarded excuse to run away from an internet argument.
>>10438458>"You got one word wrong; opinion invalidated!" has always been the most retarded excuse to run away from an internet argument.If that word is "jank", "slop", "aged", or any console war term like "snoy" or "tendie", then yes, a single word is a valid way to invalidate the opinion.
>>10438595what does a word matter when we understand the meaning, the fact that the word annoys you?if you call something jank, you're calling it shoddy, broken, poorly made, etc. you understand this
>>10438595>>10438918Jank is indeed a normal word that I've been hearing for years, so I don't raise any eyebrows at that. Slop is a very recent meme word and people started spamming the everloving fuck out of it to the extent that I filter it on most boards because I came to realize that I have never seen a post worth reading that used that word. It's a very irritating feeling when you watch a stupid word rapidly rise in usage like that, because it really makes you aware of just how many braindead people there are on this site who cannot think for themselves and just imitate whatever is popular. There's something else about this word in particular that especially irks me, but I've typed enough to make my point so I'll just stop.I've never seen "aged" used in a memey sense unless that is a brand new thing that I haven't had the displeasure of running into yet.
>>10439753"aged" is less a memey thing and more just a cope thing. when zoomers can't get into something old other people enjoy for dumb reasons or sometimes simply to say "old bad" they say it "aged poorly", worst case scenario because of something they find offensive and "problematic" to the current feigned sensitivity culture
>>10439753>It's a very irritating feeling when you watch a stupid word rapidly rise in usage like that, because it really makes you aware of just how many braindead people there are on this sitethat stuff is so weird, like one year Milo Yiannopoulos is these fad chasers' messiah, the most important human who could ever possibly exist, and he comes up in every conversation - then a year later he's gone, totally blown away and forgotten, the followers having found a new god in the form of the word "cuck" or whatever, and then soon enough that's fallen out of fashion and they're on to the next Most Important Thing Ever that'll sink into silence shortly thereafterI know a lot of it is probably just college kids being silly college kids, but... I was that age and I never did that crap, I was stupid and wrong in ways that were MINE at least... I can't understand these fad followersanyway TMNT is fun
>>10439753slop is just the new word to describe "thing i don't like" spammed by retards who think they're smarter than they actually are.while the people here who get triggered by the word "aged" are fragile/insecure boomers who argure with their nostalgia of playing something when they were 8 years old.
>>10421818Do people 'hate' it? I think most people have a certain reverence for it but wish it wasn't so ball-stomping.
>>10438595I'm not talking about buzzwords. He took opposition to the fact that the usenet poster mistyped and said that The Turtles were trained by "Shredder" and not "Splinter". People (and I use that term lightly) have a very bad habit to refusing to listen to an honest opinion/review when a single word is misspelled/mistyped.
>>10441539The only negative I've traditionally heard about this game is people hating on the electrified seaweed in the underwater level.
>>10421818FUN FACT: Roger Ebert was so addicted to this game to the point where he eventually had to quit it cold turkey.He talks about it in their review of the first TMNT movie (which they both hated) and in their review of the Wizard, Ebert is quick to point out inaccuracies when they play TMNT. And they also reviewed Tecmo Bowl and Super Tennis.
>>10441626>not being able to beat tmnt on the nes and ragequitting is why ebert said video games weren’t art
>>10441718I mean, he's right. We couldn't handle a single ambiguously brown lady making low-ball criticisms at old games; art critique can get WAY more vicious than that.
>>10441751The fact that video game critique is such a cutthroat arena is proof it is art.Ebert’s argument was video games provide a different experience depending on the player and thus cannot be art, but people experience art differently anyways so it’s a moot point.
>>10441751>ambiguously brown ladyUh, who?And art is art, if you paint a picture it's not different than making one with pixels, other than the fact that it's in a way less impressive because the painting doesn't involve animation or interaction. But let's be honest, when it comes to the world of critique and pretentious notions of "defining art" these are people who are only interested in the image being such a person conveys, not the actual practice of creating or appreciating art itself.
>>10441504"slop" implies something understood and specific, slop is something carelessly put together with no refinement or skill and consumed by pigs. the implication is actually quite clear.this actually makes up a lot of modern media, so your position on the word "aged" is ironic. you probably eat up disposable trap slop and call undisputed classic albums "aged poorly" because you're actually the one who can't be objective about quality and have a hatred of nostalgia, preferring a "if its current it's automatically good" sheep-like consumerist mindset
>>10440680"cuck" is a great insult, not only because it makes fun of a hilarious fetish but also because it implies you're a spineless doormat who lets others take what belongs to you, again, overuse of slang can be annoying but generally there is a very clear meaning behind it
>>10428973> we had all the fucking time of the worldand we were damm good at itWell, me and boys weren't. The best we could get to is dam level. I've played other levels via cheat, but it was mostly too difficult to even make a significant progress. Our way of thinking was too simplistic to analyze and memorize, we just wanted to beat up enemies with our favorite turtles.Maybe kids all around the world differ in skill, I have no idea.
>>10421818No, people hate it because it's a crap game. The music is awesome.
>>10441539>>10441623>>10442339Ironically enough the game is actually pretty fucking easy if you play it today. It's only because we were dumb kids that we struggled with it.
>>10443330Yeah, it's not that hard. The swimming section is simple if you know where to go. Even if you suck at navigating through the electro seaweed, you can brute force it by swapping turtles.
>>10443612I feel like it was probably designed with the intention of you swapping turtles in the first place, but when you're a kid you don't think about strategy and just think "I want to play as my favorite turtle the whole time."
>>10422107>satirises nerds? >but WHY is FF6 his fave game then?? Euphoreal?
>>10424205Lol Jim 'smashed through' those games with a hammer when he got filtered hard. Yes TMNT didn't stand out in any of the aspects of criticism those journoss mentioned. The games breadth and hard but fair learning curve is difficult to account for in the brief time they usually had to review the games. It was good value for money if you enjoyed it, compared to a game that could be beat in a day.
>>10425323>defensive weapon used for parryingSai are absolutely used in offense as well, and have been used as police issue weapons. Compare with a mace, also used as an enforcement weapon. Both are less threatening than swords etc but can be quite flexible in application.Raph spins his sai though, which looked cool but was a stupidly improbable way to use them.
>>10443647As a kid that's the strategy my friends and I used. To beat the water section though, we'd always just ask one of our dads to do it. I remember one of my friends told me his dad could beat it without getting hit once and I couldn't believe it until I saw him do it. Blew my mind as a kid.Also somehow we all knew how to cheese Rocksteady as Donatello. I don't think I ever bothered beating him legit.
>>10429461You guys really missed out. So did the nerds who couldn't get over Gen 1.
>>10436374>What's ironic is that Disney Star Wars has a closer relationship between the books and movies, creating stuff in books that is seen in the movies, shows, etc. And now you have an entirely different group of people who hate it for daring to acknowledge stuff outside the movies, or saying you have to read the books to understand what's going on.it'll never be as bad as gears of war where the games expected you to read all the EU material and for the third game they decided to shove in as many book OCs as they could.
>>10442259>gets called retarded, fragile & insecure>replies like he is.you literally proved his point "genius".
>>10444627>when i reply angrily about something, i'm being right>when you do it, you're insecure about how right i amSuperiority complexes all are derived from inferiority complexes. And most consoomer normies have inferiority complexes, this is why the current trend is for normies to pretend to be not normies, they all want to be "interesting" and "edgy" but they're not.
>>10421818Did they? I thought it was because it was punch you in the dick hard.
>>10421818> But isn't it an adaptation of the original comic? None of these elements are from the comic except the cover. Splinter is originally a human here for one. They were working with xeroxed images of the first toys and a bare minimum synopsis of the cast for the toyline and cartoon that weren't even out yet.Konami DID develop a partnership with Ryan Brown when he worked as the license liaison at Mirage, which is why his character Scratch ended up in one of the Game Boy games and Konami did a game based on his property Cowboys of Moo Mesa
>>10443972I mean if you know what you're doing TMNT can be beaten in less than an hour. It is not one of the longer NES games.
>>10445320So can Castlevania. But to get to that level of skill takes practice. I doubt many beat CV in the first couple of days ownership without cheating/guides, although some probably did. TMNT is a level above that and it would take a dedicated, skilled and lucky player to do that without help.
>>10444627>tozalszspatz muture biurrr posts guize>Pssits compelte steardation.I m thnikangz this guy jight be a. Fool.
>>10444689NTA but there's other ways to frame that paradigm. Don't pathologise it; you are describing basic human nature. Anons using this tactic have a need for acknowledgement, and responding is tantamount to validation. Replying to bait like this just has them baying for more and TMNT does not require defence against that anyhow.
>>10426920>, James Rolfe didn't even record the gameplay, that was always Mike Matei, BootseyThis is completely false mythMike debunked all this shit on one of his streams(wish I could remember which stream it was now)He basically said most of the episodes in the Golden Era were indeed recorded and written by JamesHeck he broke them down one by one in that stream You morons who parrot this meme oughta be shot at this point
>>10445649What about that story where he said "Beans make you fart" and then made a farting noise with his mouth? Any truth to that?
>>10428449More like American children didn't read shitty comics for babies but the good stuff like Atlas Shrugged and Blood Meridian.
>>10445649CinemassacreTruth is a combination of half truths with the occassional lies
>>10446040>Blood MeridianYes.>Atlas ShruggedNo.The only way I can rationalize you simultaneously liking something so good and something so bad is that you are genuinely incapable of determining what makes something good, and perhaps you enjoy them because you were told at one point that they were both good.
>>10446040>More like American children didn't read shitty comics for babiesComics were almost always more violent and "mature" than the cartoons, confirmed for zoomerComics being aimed at really little kids is kind of a myth at this point, they were that way in like the 50s, not really in the 70s, 80s, 90s, or 00s which is when anybody you've ever interacted with at all would have been reading them.
>>10421818>eople hate this because it "isn't faithful to the cartoon"No they don't, nobody's ever said this about it. You know why people hate it.
>>10445649I don’t know why anyone would think James didn’t record his own footage when the original videos never got terribly far in the game.Also his recording method was so bizarre if I recall correctly that it was clearly something he came up with alone and did himself.
>>10428384Damn. We really do live in a society, don't we?
>>10429461>When does it get good?When do you stop copypasting bait from /tv/? You're a waste.
>>10447926This was a common criticism at the time, by 10 year olds that had seen the cartoon but never knew the comics existed. Obviously that audience is gone and the opinion is meaningless now. Only people with a chip on their shoulder hate it now.
>>10447926>>10448303It's a huge part of Rolfe's video.>And who is that guy with the chainsaw anyway? Remember him from Ninja Turtles? I sure don't.>Now, you think they would've actually have put more Ninja Turtle characters in the game? Like, uh, Baxter Stockman, the Rat King, Krang? I mean, it's not like Krang was, like, a minor character that came in the fifth season of the show. Krang was right there from the beginning. So, like, there's no excuse. There was no excuse not to have him there. I mean, instead, make way for, uh, the missile balloons, flying robot heads, those little butterfly things, Mr. Fire Man.>And... why don't you hear the Ninja Turtles theme song anywhere in the game? What a piece of shit.
>>10448336>>10448303Anyone saying "unfaithfulness was never what people complained about" are obviously goal post movers, after was made clear everything the game does to be faithful to the source material.
>>10448348Okay but where IS Krang? I don't get why he's not in the game.
>>10448336I can't see the point of your reply to >>10448303. The AVGN video is hilarious alt reality satire. But that's not a huge part of the video, nor is it an opinion of someone who lives in this universe with an IQ sufficient to breathe involuntarily.
>>10421818OOPS! ALL RAPHS
>>10438450>playing a Gundam game, but it's not Amuro in the cockpit, it's YOU
>>10449518They actually did all wear the same colored headbands in the original comic. The idea of color coding them was invented by the 80s cartoon.
>>10449592I know what you mean anon. But pic related for newer anons that missed the phenomenon of colored teams.
>>10448336It's a running gag about how old licensed games basically just slapped popular IPs onto games full of unrelated shit
>>10451798What are some other games that do this?
>>10424215I see what you did there
>>10452505DDP wasn't exactly a "random" platformer though, it was a major Nintendo game at the time, created to promote the Yume Kojo expo. There is some interesting history with DDP in that it was intentionally designed in the first place as a "Mario-like" game, and the Yume Kojo mascots were implemented later on. So when Nintendo of America requested a new Mario game to promote the at the time brand new Nintendo Entertainment System, converting Doki Doki Panic into SMB2US made a lot of sense. And since Nintendo owned the rights to the enemies, even after Yume Kojo faded into irrelevance, they were able to continue to use the now-iconic characters such as Shy Guy and Birdo. It's accurate to say that the decision to make SMB2US is a big part of why Mario became a household name in America instead of a one-hit wonder.
>>10452298Back to the future
>>10453209Eh, the NES Back to the Future game does somewhat resemble the movie. Does a better job of resembling the movie than the sequel did.
>>10421818>"People hate this because it "isn't faithful to the cartoon"have you ever played it? it's absolute fucking shovelware with some of the most unforgivably lazy programming that you can find on a nes. these fuckers didn't even attempt to fix it properly for the PAL version either. if you gave a bunch of retarded monkeys a 6502 manual, nes memory map and an assembler, even they'd be able to develop something far less broken.
>>10424205>familiar characters>trendy characters>pizzaOh man, sounds like they all agree that its so different from the source material great threadhaha sike
>>10428105Spiral is from a very specific set of stories involving Mojo, more of a late 80s Chris Claremont era thing. The Brood are from that time also. That's actually the coolest X Men era IMO.
>>10430435No normie even knew what the internet even was in 1989. I was there, the biggest technology was the car phone which was fucking enormous
>>10431348I remember hearing about the characters from my older brother who had the comics, then when the cartoon came out I loved it but he thought it was "gay"
>>10421869>asks for people>given people>UMM NOT LIKE THAT
>>10455963Welcome to 4chan, where people are so thin-skinned that they will get angry if you actually have an answer to their question instead of letting them one-sidedly dominate you.
>>10437358I like that scene with the kid in the warehouse. I thought that kid smoking was so badass when i was like 8 or whatever. Maybe that's why i smoke now, i don't know hahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmpVDeFq1Awi like that song toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-JHiQZfKSE
>>10449912>implying the majority of 80s kids watching the show even knew about the comic"whyyy oh why can't other people be as old as i am?"
>>10456710Kids knew about the comic because TMNT was a global phenomenon and so the comic was heavily advertised as a result of the TMNT craze. I knew about the comic as a kid because TMNT was everywhere at the time. Don't confuse your obliviousness for reality.
>>10442248its no different than /vr/ in that the owners of paintings/games wants it to 'appreciate in "value"'
>>10456742nta but i didn't know about it until i was older. I was born in 83. Maybe it's more of an american thing, i'm in Australia. But i was huge into the turtles like every other kid really, but only the games and the cartoon and the movie, i never heard about the comic
>>10456742>>10456980The reality is somewhere in between. TMNT comics were easily the least popular aspect of the franchise, the cartoon and toys and eventually the movies were the big money makers, but the comics were known among people who liked comics and comics were still kind of popular back then, it wasn't uncommon for neighborhoods to have multiple comic shops and you'd see comic racks at regular storesI honestly can't tell if comics were more popular back then vs. now, comics sold more back then but it seems like more people are interested in them now on average, but I think a lot of people these days just read wiki articles and watch videos about comics, or even just read them online
>>10456831Yeah but at the very least, you can say in the game world there is a higher percentage of "critique" that at least comes from people who like games in an honest way, I'd say. When it comes to some artforms like film and music especially, the standard for a critic is basically someone who only pretends to be into notions of the genre for credibility, but don't actually like it. There is not as much of a discrepancy between what actual players like and what critics like when it comes to games, a lot of times games that get critical praise are also games many people enjoy, rather than the opposite.
>>10445705After reading James book I believe that story now more than ever.
>>10458108tmnt comics were kind of a niche thing in comics, considering they were a blatant satire of 80s dark/gritty comics, it was a more in the know thing for comic fans while the cartoon is what made it a pop culture thing
>>10461394Considering "The Foot" is a direct parallel to "The Hand" I don't know how people still wouldn't know this
>>10462201I would actually bet there are more people that are familiar with The Foot than there are The Hand, mainly because the TMNT cartoons are so popular but The Hand has yet to appear in the MCU movies, so people would have to be comics readers to know what it is. Kinda like how there are more people who know about Deadpool than Deathstroke despite the former being a parody of the latter.
>>10461394The comics were fairly popular before the cartoon came out among teens and you g adults. Hell there was even a tabletop RPG that was gaining serious traction.The cartoon killed its popularity with teens and young adults as it was suddenly a kiddie thing. But of course it caught on huge with kids.
>>10459954beans do make you fart
>>10464394Actually it's the sugar in beans that makes you fart. So if you don't eat sugary beans, you won't fart.
>>10464623Then why come when I eat candy I don’t fart but when I eat out your ass I fart?
>>10464634I do eat quite a bit of sugar.
>>10464623I'll fart if I want to fart, assclown.
>>10464623Its the fiber, m8