>in Kitakami, pokemon manifest different elemental types or have their base one upgraded, thanks to the area's funny crystals>in Kitakami, nostalgic legendary pokemon gain power when they remember their friends and experience intense feelings , thanks to the masks' funny crystals>in Kitakami, frustrated legendary pokemon have their wishes granted by some fucked up fruit of a Glimmora, the pokemon composed of funny crystals>in Kitakami, people and pokemon are believed to have come back from the death apparently thanks to the pond's funny crystals>in Kitakami, there's a cryptid actually born in a time period close to the present, that you can study and that once you catch it you see it has a normal species name with a normal category and ability, all with apparent zero relation to funny crystalsTimetravelbros, why does Kitakami ignore us so hard? Didn't GF know time travel is the theme of the game???
Obviously they are time crystals and they're going to reveal that their power is actually pulling in elementals from other time periods where Pokemon have evolved to be that type.
Blood Moon is a Present Paradox Pokémon.
>>54894835you don't understand the loyal 3 didn't get revived they time traveled even though that would completely alter the timeline because they would've never died to ogerpon and would've never gotten buried or have folklore but don't question it time travel just works haha
>>54894851Why does it have a gender and can breed unlike all other paradox pokemonDo genders and sex not exist in the past and future?
>>54894865Because Blood Moon was not imagined.
Obviously they are imagination crystals and they're going to reveal that their power is actually pulling in elementals from other imagination periods where Pokemon have evolved to be that type.
Timesisters..Our Response?
>>54894851Why is it called Ursaluna (x form) and not something like Crimson Forehead?Why does it have a gender?Why is its ability unaffected by Booster Energy?Why does it breed?Why does it come from Sinnoh/Hisui and not Area Zero?Why is its category not Paradox Pokemon?
>>54894885This but unironically
I wonder if perhaps the Tera lore got rewritten behind the scenes between release and the DLC.The anime shows Terapagos can materialize things from memories, which matches how the crystal pond can summon "ghosts", but this does not tie into the main game in any satisfying way.
>>54894835>positive energy ogerpon’s memories and raidon power of friendship>negative energy kieran and everything about dokutaro>dream theming everywhereI knew all of this reminded me of something
>>54894835How do you know all that?
>>54895090>the anime shows tera power can manifest something that was in your head but this does not tie into the main game in any satisfying wayKEK
>>54895090I dont watch the anime. is it safe to assume liko jumped into terapagos’ dreams or something? dreams are made up of memories anyways with a little fake dream stuff sprinkled in
>>54895152Yeah, but the anime explicitly says it's terapagos' memories, not dreams. As in, things that were real, and the Teal Mask's story kind of goes in that direction as well.It's just weird that Tera is now being associated so hard with the idea of bringing things back from the past. If you're a Violet player, it comes out nowhere and makes no sense.
>>54894835>Characters in the game say its time travel>GameFreak says its time travel>irl AI agrees its time travel>Khu says its vague and will never give a straight answer>All hints of it being imagination are thinking some unrelated text is anything but flavor>You must also ignore every plothole that comes with imagination machine and that this is a game for kids too
>>54895322holy cope
>>54895290Memories aren't even real, anon, they are information your brain has stored based on actual, long gone events, which is also what dreams are made of. In both cases it's data in your mind
>>54895322>irl AI agrees its time travelKEK IT'S THE RETARD WHO USES CHAT GPT AS ARGUMENT
>>54895331holy cope is what imaginationfags have been doing since Walking Wake and Iron Leaves were added to the game. The Tera raids explicitly say they come from different time periods.>but my DLC1 ads!The ads for DLC1 don’t technically lie. Instead of saying just “Ogerpon is evil”, they say “Folktales say Ogerpon is evil”, which the DLC features such folktales.
>>54895375Generative AI like chatGPT, gives you an answer based your profile. it's not designed to give you a "true" answers, it's designed to give a satisfying one
>>54895382I investigated this and it does say "Pokemon from the ancient past and distant future" in English, but...
>>54895382>>54895477It doesn't mention past or future in the Japanese description. Make of that what you will
>>54895484Huh... timesissies?
>>54895484very interesting indeed
>>54894835That's it i'm getting me mallet!
>>54895484huh yeah the localization just added the past/future part
>>54895382the game lies to you anon, you never played the game. the only difference is that you find out who cassiopeia really is the battle right after, while you figure out it’s not actually time travel in the DLC after the credits
>>54895484Time travelfaggots BTFO
>>54894851I forget her name but>the Adaman descendent received a photo album from her family>these photos are canonically from the photo studio in Hisui's Jubilife Village>saw an Ursaluna in the album and wished to see one IRL, albeit it was probably a low quality image>somehow came all the way from Sinnoh to Kitakami in a different form to grant that desire>>54894865Has a much closer relative where breeding situation is implied, robots don't sexually produce and the reproduction of dinosaurs likely wasn't well known to Sada, especially if Pokémon breeding in of itself is canonically new if Johto events are canon.Also>If Blood Moon Ursaluna is a Paradox, where is its abilityThe abilities are imagined too.>in the past, there was brutal sunlight illuminating the land!>in the future, power will be just about anywhere you want it to be due to the infrastructure!
>>54895484timeschizo got real quiet all of a sudden.
>imaginationfag is having a full blown meltdown
>>54895161>is it safe to assume liko jumped into terapagos’ dreams or somethingNo. It's a projection of something it recorded which is something we all went over long before the imagination theory even came to be when we theorised that Terapagos was a knowledge pokemon.Knowledge for the AI tech. Knowledge for the time machine. The ability to store thoughts and memories on crystals.And of course it's a philosopher's stone which was known for allowing elements to freely change into other ones much like terastallizing does.
>>54896198I mean that's all he does, which is pretty sad when you think about it.
>>54894851>Blood Moon is a Present Paradox Pokémon.No Occulture entry = Not related to Paradoxes.We should be debating whether or not Terapagos is a paradox based on the December issue. If it was willed into existence by desire it becomes the same chicken and egg problem Paradoxes have but on a larger scale.
>>54895090>>54896209>>54895290>Yeah, but the anime explicitly says it's terapagos' memories, not dreams. As in, things that were real.So what happens when Terapagos "really" remembers things differently than how they really happened?
>>54895484>It doesn't mention past or future in the Japanese descriptionFull translation plox
>>54896238Nothing. It's not terapagos remembering, it's what's recorded on the crystal being projected.
>>54896238>anime plot twist is it's a schizo turtle and Lucius was never realIt was an imagination allegory this whole time
You know, I don't think it's imagination because it's absolutely retarded but I'd like to see the fallout if it was.Not from the time travellers or Atlantisfags mind you but from the imaginationfags themselves.
>>54896337The icing is that they're not going to explain where exactly the paradox pokemon originated from, just the method, so their brains are gonna do backflips for years after this is over.
>>54896403they already did in the base game. the entire speculation is about the function of tera crystals.
>>54896403What the fuck are you even saying, schizo, we have know where they come from as well as the thing pulling them into the real world for a year
desu I simply want those abominable paradox Johto beasts to be products of someone's shitty imagination and not pokemon that actually existedforms and regionals and other variants were a mistake
>>54894835What does time travel have to do with kitakami?
>>54896488It doesn't. Imaginationfag doesn't understand that powering a time machine =/= time based powers, which is hilarious considering it's not the first time in this series that a pokemon powered a machine like that.Not that Terapagos powered the machine given the professor and their crew never actually encountered it
>>54896450Tiny brain.
>>54896337It's the only way the multiples applications of tera crystals and the plot holes of Heath's story can fit
>>54897725DLC1's already confirmed DLC2 is going to prove Heath correct, via Briar anon. There's no plot holes in his story, just a lack of information on your part.
>>54897725Not really. In fact imagination just makes more plot holes because there's no rules to it.
>>54894835>terastal phenomenon>mask forms existing because there are Tera jewels in the masks >toxic chain enhancing body parts directly >real world lore reference of a Japanese bridge>literally just bloodmoon ursaluna as presented >>54894865Gender unknown doesn’t mean they have no gender>>54894944>dokutaro and toxic chain having anything to do with the machine>>54895484If anyone can say what this proves instead of saying “OMG GOTCHA EVEN THOUGH THERE’S NO MENTION OF AN ALTERNATIVE THEORY AT ALL”, that would be greatly appreciated.All in all, shit bait. It’s been a year, and imaginationschizoes STILL need to be sat down on the high chair and forced to explain the significance of what they are trying to say is. They consistently shitfling because of mysteries in the game, say a bunch of random shit, and spew headcanon as the “solution” when nothing about what they just said would imply it whatsoever. That’s even ignoring the fact that their overarching replacement theory for the story doesn’t make sense in a vacuum and has contradictions and holes beyond the mysteries in the game.
>>54897843the only schizo here is you timekek
>>54897786I tried posting the other day to have people post their theories in preparation of the DLC release. The imagination schizo in here did nothing but shit up the thread and abandon it when no one responded to him. They don't care about what the right answer is, they're just parroting whatever Khu posts. The two major things they've already completely forgotten about is Khu's tweets about what's underneath the lab, and the other that Terapagos' ability is it make itself meaningful. You won't hear them talk about that though, they just want to ramble about the same 3 talking points as much as possible.
>>54897786You either claim there are many plot holes or you complain because there are no rules (allowing anything to happen). Pick one
>>54895484Imaginationchads won once again
>>54894968>Why is it called Ursaluna (x form) and not something like Crimson Forehead?I'm surprised they didn't go the UB route and give them actual names in the end. Like you catch Iron Thorns and call it Tyranithorn or something.
>>54897775>DLC1's already confirmed DLC2 is going to [HEADCANON]Timefags so delusional they think they can see the future.
>>54897932The bihg hint was Briar saying she wanted to prove Heath wasn't a liar. The school gang knew from AZ and the Herba Mystica. but they were deliberately kept away from Kitakami and the introduction with Briar to pipe up and say "Oh hey we been there and we can help!". I'm sorry you can't read context clues but that's why you're so insistent on delegitimising any opposing viewpoint to your own ill-educated guesses.
>>54897843>>54897843>what does this prove?All it proves is that it isn't evidence for time travel, which is the whole point. Time travel people keep bringing it up like some sort of gotcha against imagination, when the original Japanese says nothing of the sort.
>>54897961The biggest issue is that they believe that Kitakami and all other context happens post game since they didn't actually pay attention or deviate from running from objective to objective. They don't realize DLC1 is an early game story.
>>548962386 million perish
>>54895484TIMESISTERS...OUR NARRATIVE...
>>54897990Oh no! Anyways.
>>54895484big if true
>>54898000Why is ancient in quotes?
>>54895484>English translation adds in stuff not in the originalI hate when translators do that
>>54898015Why does the thread post count go up but not the IP count?
>>54898000>flintstones takes place in a fictional past >jetsons takes place in a fictional future
>>54898000>"ancient" instead of ancient lol
>>54894865Sex was a conspiracy made up by Big Donphan to replace Great Tusk
>>54898044>>54898046>>54898019 This post is about (you)
>>54897932timeschizo's convinced himself that briar is going to use the time machine to send a paradox donphan to the past for heath to see despite her stated goal being to find terapagos. this also doesn't track with violet where the machine is supposedly operating in the opposite direction.
>>54898053OHNONONONO
>>54897775>DLC1's already confirmed DLC2 is going to prove Heath correctWhen?>via BriarHOLY KEK you retards really have never read any kind of story other than Pokemon. Sure, anon, Briar thinks Heath was right and wants to prove him right, that's absolutely confirmation right? My fucking sides
>>54894835>Memories grant Ogerpon strength!
I mean, it should be reasonably apparent by now that Terapagos has some sort of wish-granting power. If the sketch(es) of the chimera Pokemon truly was just imagined up, and the sketch(es) were actualized in the form of Walking Wake and Iron Leaves and the rest of the trios, then it stands to reason that Terapagos is capable of generating new Pokemon based on imagination. In that case, why not just run with the idea that all the Paradox Pokemon were generated by Terapagos?The potential counterarguments here are (in order of most reasonable to least reasonable):A. Terapagos simply granted the professor's wish of "building a time machine", and all the Paradox Pokemon are real and pulled from their respective time periods. The exception is Walking Wake/Iron Leaves/etc. which were actually imaginary, but get generated by Terapagos in DLC2 to show off its power.B. Walking Wake/Iron Leaves/etc. are real too, and the sketch artist just believed they were imagining the Pokemon because of wacky Terapagos-based hijinks. Or there's no actual connection between the imaginary drawing and Walking Wake/Iron LeavesC. Terapagos does not have a wish-granting power.A makes the most sense to me for time travel theory, but it doesn't exactly run counter to imagination, just sort of adjacent to it. B and C make no sense to me, so I didn't expand on them too much, but if someone believes one of those I'd be happy to read their explanations.
>>54898088Eternatus didn't do jack shit in SwSh, people are just trying to rationalize a paradoxical scenario and giving Terapagos whatever super powers make the most sense in their head. Couple in some chink and we're here now.
>>54898133It's staggering how people ignore the very concept of "paradox" to try and explain the cunts.
>>54898133>>54898243nobody is talking about SS.eternatus was the source of the dmax energy. terapagos is implied to be the source of the terastalization phenomenon.you don't know what a paradox is.
>>54898243Yes, which is staggering because people ignore there is more to a ‘paradox’ than just time travel involved. Just because fiction popularized it, it didn’t come solely from there.
>>54898314>terapagos is implied to be the source of the terastalization phenomenonAnd that alone. Sadly, deluded fuckers seem to think it grants wishes along the way.
>>54898333Luckily the game doesn't involve time travel for this unique paradoxical plot.
>>54898353a game about finding your treasures and making your dreams come true will end with a legendary pokemon that literally makes dreams come true. also terapagos looks like a dreamcatcher btw
>>54898088>If the sketch(es) of the chimera Pokemon truly was just imagined up, and the sketch(es) were actualized in the form of Walking Wake and Iron Leaves and the rest of the trios, then it stands to reason that Terapagos is capable of generating new Pokemon based on imaginationYou're quite literally saying that it has wishing powers because you don't have evidence that it created six separate pokemon from two sketches when wish granting would have just made the sketches.>and the sketch artist just believed they were imagining the Pokemon because of wacky Terapagos-based hijinks. Or the sketch artist just saw the paradox beasts/swords and decided to make a combination form based on them. The book does say he was inspired by the pokemon they saw and we only know what they saw because the Occulture books refer to pages we don't see. Honestly, you don't have to over complicate it with this imagination junk.I mean, you're saying A makes the most sense to you but it's all over the place given you have it being able to perfectly create something and then only being able to make warped creations no one thought of, like come on, make up your mind.
>>54898382No, it looks like a turtle from any ancient turtle myth (long beard/hair to indicate extreme old age) with its scutes fashioned to incorporate 18 slots for each type arranged around a hexagonal centrepiece bearing the gimmick logo.You want it to be a dreamcatcher. but that's ignoring the entity of the game to that point to focus on it JUST being about treasure and dreams.
>>54898414You don't get it bro american indians bro it just makes sense they invented turtles
>>54898382>a game about finding your treasures and making your dreams come true will end with a legendary pokemon that literally makes dreams come trueWhich would go against one of the major themes of the game, that there's no easy or quick route to a dream.And no, it doesn't look like a dream catcher, it looks like a CD if anything.
>>54898434Kids don't know what a CD is, don't confuse them further.
>game plot is about discovering the thing you treasure most, being friendship>autists think it's about fantasy genie turtle that shoots lasers
>>54898446The sad part is that you're not wrong.
>>54898403Okay, I actually didn't consider that Walking Wake/etc. could be individual pages in the book (not shown to the player), and the sketch of the imaginary Pokemon was inspired by them.I am suddenly completely convinced that imagination theory is wrong now, lmao. It makes a lot of sense to me that the "imaginary Pokemon" sketch is just the out-of-universe way of being a vague teaser for the three separate Paradox Pokemon in the trio. (as opposed to it being an out-of-universe teaser for the imaginary Pokemon being brought to life)Good talk, actually.
>>54896559>Not that Terapagos powered the machine given the professor and their crew never actually encountered it>Research Station No. 1>We've determined that this energy crystallization is linked to the being we call .>The interlocking hexagonal plates that comprise 's shell must somehow cause this phenomenon—which I've dubbed "Terastallizing."Yeah but it doesn't surprise me a timetravelfag doesn't play the game. Good bait though made me respond.
>>54898088A invalidates itself on the principle that creating Walking awake or Iron Leaves, is as much as admitting it created the rest of the Paradox Pokemon. Which is actually the model I subscribe to, so I agree with A, if the principle of the Time Machine is reworked as simply a mechanism for the act of creating, rather than the source of the creations. We do see them come from the time machine, after inserting Pokeball’s, so it makes some modicum of sense.So, in a sense, A + C together, make the most sense when Terapagos’ power is the source of the creation of the Paradox Pokemon, but not directly created by it, but rather having it’s energy harvested to create them.If the Time Machine Room is part of a Larger Machine created, perhaps by an ancient civilization that inhabited Paldea before the Empire existed, it could have created Paradox Pokémon trying to replicate their power, through Tera Energy with it’s organic and technological enhancing properties. The copies all seem to be at a level equal to each other, but most often then not weaker than their originals if based on Legends or enhanced evolutionary forms, or overwhelming stronger if enhancing normal Pokémon.
>>54897962>Time travel people keep bringing it up like some sort of gotcha against imaginationThe funny thing is it really isn't. The raids in question were available before the end of the game that implies the Paradoxes are in fact Paradoxes and don't actually come from the periods the professor believes they did.The english announcement is perfectly in line with that.
>>54898469Once they revealed Raging Bolt and Iron Crown that talking point was dead, but these people are dead set on spewing the same bullshit and ignored it. There is no coherent theory for imagination, it's fluid and they change goalposts as many times as needed and will do so after the game releases. I guarantee you this is how these threads will play out next month>Briar finds Terapagos>Briar influences the past so events of Heath's Expedition occur>Professor finds Paradox Pokemon with machine with no explanation provided of how they actually were able to, because that's the paradox>OMG THEY'RE IMAGINARY THEY DON'T SAY WHERE THEY COME FROM
>>54898501Where does it say that they encountered Terapagos there anon.
>>54898513>Once they revealed Raging Bolt and Iron Crown that talking point was dead, but these people are dead set on spewing the same bullshit and ignored it.The amount of cognitive dissonance here is astounding. You realize Raging Bolt and Iron Crown are the final nail in the coffin for time travel right?Unlike timefags, imaginationfags know for a fact that Occulture is made up of sensationalized bullshit, yet there are exactly THREE entries prior to the ones we see for the Paradoxes in the base game. Enough to perfectly line up with Paradox variants that were based on that one sketch the Professor interpreted as being from the past/future.Time travel has no argument for their existence beyond trying to shove in the idea that they somehow are entirely real.
>>54898511>The raids in question were available before the end of the game that implies the Paradoxes are in fact Paradoxes and don't actually come from the periods the professor believes they did.I finished the game before the raids came out so I can't verify that but even if that is true how does that go against time travel if it was accessible while the time machine was pulling pokemon from the past and future?
>>54898539You just read what you want to read and add whatever conjecture you want to in order to come to the predetermined conclusion you've created. I'm excited for December to come and there's no Occulture in the DLC.
>>54898539>Enough to perfectly line up with Paradox variants that were based on that one sketch the Professor interpreted as being from the past/future.Which would mean that the paradoxs beasts and swords existed 200 years ago and were written about in the Scarlet/Violet book which of course would be impossible under imagination since they would be imagined into reality 200 years after.
>>54898555>I'm excited for December to come and there's no Occulture in the DLC.Numerically, the first file is in the professor's lab and it starts at #4. Something is definitely up, but it'll be funny to see timefags move the goalpost once again to some shit like ((b-but it was ambiguous!!))
>>54898539>Unlike timefags, imaginationfags know for a fact that Occulture is made up of sensationalized bullshitThe irony being that if its imagination then that lore would be true while under time travel Occulture is fake outside of anything it pulled from the book.
>>54898569The funny thing is you're hinging your entire argument based on something that's irrelevant. You know the occulture is based on the paradox book and not vise versa right
>>54898563Not that Anon, but it would make more sense if, instead of the Professor, Occulture itself actually created any theoretical articles about the three Paradoxes we will be getting, and from there, that influenced the Professors?
>>54898578>under time travel Occulture is fake outside of anything it pulled from the book.Nope, because time travel posits that the Paradox Pokemon are really from the past or future. Not from some other imagined source or a "futuristic/ancient" world the AI describes as would be the case in imagination.>>54898580>You know the occulture is based on the paradox book and not vise versa rightExactly. So if time travel was real, the paradoxes we see would be based more closely on Heath's record or real ancient/future Pokemon. Not some bullshit tabloid.
>>54898587>because time travel posits that the Paradox Pokemon are really from the past or futureCorrect, which doesn't line up with Occulture where the paradox pokemon are just long lived or unusual pokemon.
>>54898587If you were literate you would understand the sketch is based on the Pokemon in the book we don't see. it's called foreshadowing.
>>54898587>the paradoxes we see would be based more closely on Heath's record or real ancient/future Pokemon.Which they are. None of the shit from Occulture like iron moth being a satellite or sandy shocks being a 10,000 year old Magneton are true.
>>54898597I'm going to warn you now anon, he genuinely doesn't understand. He's just taking the story at face value.
>>54898594Show me where in Heath's record it is implied these Pokemon really originated from the past or future? No, putting them in those time periods through imagination does not prove your head canon.>>54898597>it's called foreshadowing.Ahh okay. You're right, they must be hiding all of the pages in Heath's record on purpose just for them to reveal they really are exactly like the Paradoxes we see.The magazines in the professors lab starting at #4 means nothing. I see the light now.
>>54898604>He's just taking the story at face value.Oh the irony.
>>54898605Anon, serious question. Do you believe the Paradox Book is only 15 pages long? Did you forget that Briar has the original and shows us a page we don't see in the base game?
>>54898605>Show me where in Heath's record it is implied these Pokemon really originated from the past or future?As soon as you can show me where Occulture proves imagination.
>>54898611If only you knew what irony meant.
>>54898614>Did you forget that Briar has the original and shows us a page we don't see in the base game?No but timetravelbros seem to conveniently forget this bit of foreshadowing.Let me just tell you there is a reason we don't see the exact records of the Paradoxmon in there.>>54898616>As soon as you can show me where Occulture proves imagination.The fact the Paradoxes we see are related to it rather than Heath's record and the biggest link to this is the professor having pivotal issues of it in their labs.The only reason you would believe Paradox Pokemon come from other time periods is if you take Occulture at face value as a reputable source aside from the book (It isn't)
>>54898616do you believe scream tail actually came from billions of years ago? do you think iron hands is actually a human that was made into a cyborg? do you actually believe a hydreigon fell in love and fucked a robot to make iron jugulus in the future?
>>54898638>The fact the Paradoxes we see are related to it rather than Heath's recordWhich they aren't, unless you can identify an Occulture specific feature on a paradox that is.
>>54898638>No but timetravelbros seem to conveniently forget this bit of foreshadowing.That's because it isn't foreshadowing in the way you want it to be. That's just saying she's going to be relevant in the final story, not that it's imagination.
>>54898611>"j-just ignore th-the story bru">"yo-you're no-not meant to t-take it a-at fuh-face value"
>>54898638>No but timetravelbros seem to conveniently forget this bit of foreshadowing.Let's stop with the ad hominem. We don't see the exact records in the book because -you have access to it immediately from the start of the game-. The ONLY PAGE the player is shown from the base game is the Titan Donphan. You get a teaser for the trios, and you get a glimpse at one of Terapagos' forms. You are basing your opinions based on hindsight rather than order of events. You first see this information when it would be COMPLETE SPOILERS for the end of the game.
>>54898643No, which is why it's time travel.Those things would only be true under imagination by virtue of being an inspiration in their creation.Under time travel anything in Occulture that isn't related to Heath's record is a lie.
>>54898656He doesn't want to understand anon. He wants to be right and time travel is too complex and weighty a topic for him to fully grasp, thus has chosen the easier-comprehended (to him) explanation.
>>54895484>It’s NOT in the japanese text though!Ok and? If it was imagination and the english translation said it was time travel, the translators would be in big trouble for false advertisement.
>>54898671>and time travel is too complex and weighty a topic for him to fully graspThe irony is that reality warping is far more cpmplex which is why he constantly changes his theory.
>>54898643They don't want to understand, anon. The entire crux of their argument hinges on ignoring every part of the game that isn't the professor explicitly telling you they believe it's time travel.Under imagination, anything portrayed in Occulture is complete bunk. But timefags have to pick and choose which parts they think are real and ignore other shit like terastallization just to fit their headcanon.
>>54898679>the translators would be in big trouble for false advertisement.Ironically timefags are the only one saying this, across numerous instances of media.They truly believe that the TCG cards are suddenly false advertising even though they put the Ancient or Future tags next to Sada and Turo who very clearly are not. For whatever reason, imaginationbros are the only ones that can understand nuance.
>>54898685
>>54898696>, imaginationbros are the only ones that can understand nuance.Ah yes the nuance of>I DON'T GET IT SO IT HAS TO BE MAGIC! WHO CARES WHAT THE GAME SAYS!
>>54898702
>>54898709An AI has a better understanding of the english language and that pisses you off to no end.
>>54898696The real twist imaginationfags think is there is actually that Sada and Turo are from the past and future.
>>54898702There's nothing more gratifying than some incel copying your putdown of him to try and fling it in your face."Try" of course being the operative word. If he could think rationally enough to come up with his own putdowns. he'd be smart enough to see why his theory's full of shit.
>>54898709>It looks stupid so it must be imaginationImaginationfags are almost as bad as Zodiacfags.
>>54898709I not at home but can some kind soul make an accurate version that says>you know he casts doubt on time travel, right?>Who cares if they don't match the sketches they can't be from the past because the beasts were made in the burned tower>FUCK YOU IT'S IMAGINATION NOT TIME TRAVEL IT HAS TO BE IT JUST HAS TO BE!
>>54898732ImaginationfagSingular.He's well and truly on his own because no one else misinterprets the game the way he does.
>>54898736>esl samefagging again
>>54898767Are you really calling someone an ESL for a minor typo when you outed yourself as a spic months ago?
>ask imaginationfriend to stop ad hominem attacks>ignores me because they have no argument and attacks everyone else insteadIt's not about discussion to him, it's about being right
>>54898823I honestly regret criticising him last year.If I had just let him be he would have probably left by now.
>>54898774>cpmplexThat is a minor typo. Omitting the present tense, first person singular form of the verb "be"" in a sentence is something I've found exclusive to ESL's when they get worked up (hard to think in a non-native language when angry - just look at all the eastern europeans spit "kurwa" and "cyka blyat" when they start playing shit in online games). I'm no spic, wop or wetback. But I can smell them and you don't smell fluent to me.
>>54898854What are you even referring to?
>>54898873An anon replied to me earlier, mistaking the "P" and "O" keys (which is an actual typo). I was pointing out the discrepancy between your story and an honest typo.Protip: Ctrl+F = find words on a page. Next time, try it ESL.
>>54898887I'm not even the anon you're talking to, I'm just trying to identify the mistake you're talking about and other than the 'I' instead of 'I'm' which he said was a typo there's nothing.
>>54898854>. I'm no spic, wop or wetbackAnd yet basic English is a complete mystery to you.No wonder your posts read like someone who just discovered the dictionary.
>>54898929No, I talk as I type. And due to being fluent, have no need to rigidly stick to textbook english like ESL's need to, or they no comprende de lingo. Sorry you're neither fluent or regional to me. But that's on you not me.
>>54898966>I talk as I typeWhich would suggest you don't have a strong enough grasp on the language to think it before you type it.Also, did you really try to say this>have no need to rigidly stick to textbook englishWhile doing it?You know, Paco, you don't have to hide what you are. I mean, we all already knew the moment you started spouting nonsense about the imagination theory.
>>54898966Oh, and I see you haven't answered the other anon either. It's almost as if you knew that post was you down to the letter and you needed a way out.
>>54898995Gotta make sure you understand what I need you to. No point insulting someone who can't understand, unless you're face-to-face and can see their lack of understanding.>>54899011There's a whole wide internet outside this thread's walls anon. No point waiting for ESL's to process what I said, then formulate a resposne. Life is short.
>>54899072>There's a whole wide internet outside this thread's walls anon. No point waiting for ESL's to process what I said, then formulate a resposne. Life is short.In other words, there was no mistake other than the typo.Honestly, I shouldn't have expected an ESL like yourself to actually be honest.
>>54898716>melt an egg supporterHey bro I'm your biggest fan
>>54899072Instead of making a jackass of yourself why don't you just fuck off? You're not convincing anyone that you're some kind of intellectual, you've been spouting the dumbest shit in this thread because you're too stubborn to see how imagination makes no sense at all after all.
>>54899119You ran away from that thread when you got shit on instantly.
>>54898995>Which would suggest you don't have a strong enough grasp on the language to think it before you type it.He means that he types in the same manner as he speaks, not that he speaks simultaneously while typing. You fucked up and outed yourself, Pedro. You actually don't know English.
The only hope timetrannies have know is that the game just won't bring up paradox pokemon again.
>>54899548Anon, they win in either situation.
>"they"
>>54894968>Why is it called Ursaluna (x form) and not something like Crimson Forehead?I mean they call it the "Bloodmoon Beast" in-game, it's just that Perrin calls it Ursaluna because she sees it as an Ursaluna that's just special in some way, and not as an ancient ancestor/far off descendant like Sada/Turo did with the Paradoxes.
>>54895090>which matches how the crystal pond can summon "ghosts", but this does not tie into the main game in any satisfying way.Sada/Turo is basically a ghost the whole game - you're seeing the visage of a dead person being worn by a manifestation of the tera crystals. The only difference is that Sada and Turo were scientists and rationalised its creation as an advanced robot, whereas the people of Kitakami attributed the same phenomena as something supernatural.
>>54900303>you're seeing the visage of a dead person being worn by a manifestation of the tera crystals.You're not one of those people who think that the AI is made of crystals are you.
>>54900309Not directly but it's pretty obvious that the crystals empower or influence technology - why else does the AI Professor suddenly start getting overgrown by crystals in the final battle? It also explains why pokeballs never fail in Tera raids, you watch as the ball gets covered in them before the catch happens.
>>54900320>why else does the AI Professor suddenly start getting overgrown by crystals in the final battle?Because it's gathering terastal energy you idiot. In other words, it's terastalizing.
>>54899213Who? I've seen more guys make fun of your AI. You surely are not stupid enough you are being laughed at by only one guy right
This would be the most retarded argument coming from the pokefanatics if not for yawnfag with "textures are actually 3D models".
>>54894835manifest my dick inside nemona's anus lol
>>54900335Terastalising is literally tera crystals empowering something, that's exactly what i'm saying you fucking idiot
>>54900342>I've seen more guys make fun of your AIContrary to your schizophrenia you are not multiple people
>>54900359That's not what you're saying at all.You're saying that because it can terastalize it has to be some kind of manifestation when we know for a fact that it's a fucking machine built by a human.
>>54900309You might want to look at the AI body when they are overrun by the professor's ideal
>>54900360>thinks only 1 guy finds using a dumb artificial inteligence as your argument provider laughableLmao I'm gonna miss you once the DLC drops
>>54898434>CD’s have fluffy tails on thembro it looks like a dreamcatcher. the only CD thing about terapagos is that it’s a circle. CD’s dont have web-like patterns
>>54900461The fact that you think hair and feathers are the same thing is worrying. Anyway that anon is right, other than being round there's no outward resemblance to a dream catcher.
>>54898434>descending to the deepest part of Area Zero to meet a sleeping god-like being is easy and quick What?>a circle decorated with long fluffy elongations in one side, with its center having some kind of eye-catching stones in the middle of a spider-web-like pattern doesn't look like a dream catcher, looks like a CDOh it was a shitpost, my bad
>>54900503bro it literally resembles a dreamcatcher
>>54900518Posting the same image again isn't going to change the fact that all they have in common is being round.The pattern isn't even something that's possible with a dream catcher
>>54900537bro everyone agrees it looks like a dreamcatcher
>>54900518You know turtles have these things on their shell called scutes, right.
>>54900194Who?Timeschizos sure aren't winning anything if this thread is any indication.
>>54900547Anon, just because a small amount of people agree doesn't mean it's correct. It's just means that they're being loud. Also isn't this going against your usual coping mechanism of time travel being a YouTube and reddit thing?
>>54900518I'm honestly not seeing the resemblance.I mean, if anything Terapagos' Shell looks more like a spider web than it does a dreamcatcher becuase of that symmetricality.
>>54900548normal turtles dont have spider web patterns on their shells. terapagos is a turtle with a dreamcatcher pattern for a shell>>54900556bro this news article agrees it looks like a dreamcatcher
>>54900548It turns into a pendant in the anime, cope.
>>54900569>normal turtles dont have spider web patterns on their shellsAnd dreamcatchers don't look like spiderwebs ergo, it's not a dream catcher.
>>54900569>bro this news article agrees it looks like a dreamcatcherYou're not changing the argument anon. You can get as many people on your side as you want but it won't change the fact that it doesn't bear a resemblance other than being round.
>>54900594dreamcatchers are literally woven to look like spiderwebs, to catch dreams on a spider’s web
>>54900603bro twitter agrees it looks like a dreamcatcher
>>54900605Okay, then find a dream catcher that looks like the exact pattern on terapagos.
>>54900605N-No you need ignore that they specifically made it's shell out of hexagons, t-there's no correlation at all.
>>54900624>imaginationfags can't countHilarious
>>54900624>made it's shell out of hexagonscount how many sides the shapes on its shell has kek
>>54900609You're just screaming into the void, anon. You can place as many pictures of dreamcatchers next to Terapagos as you want but all you're doing is highlighting their differences.
Yeah i think dreamcatcherCHADS won again.
>>54900637bro these random tiktokers agree it looks like a dreamcatcher
>>54900594>And dreamcatchers don't look like spiderwebsWonderful bait
>>54900648I'm going to break the illusion for you and tell you that it's clickbait. Posting something controversial or wrong guarantees interaction more than being correct.It's the same reason why YouTubers will occasionally mispronounce something that's easy to pronounce because there's always going to be someone who wants to correct them in the comments.
>>54900701>no don't you see, everyone agrees it looks like a dreamcatcher, and these guys repeat it because it's wrong
>>54900724These retards still think that the time travel theory is the majority opinion kek.
>>54900701bro these 4channers agree it looks like a dreamcatcher
>>54900698He's right though, you're never going to find a dream catcher that looks like a spiderweb because string can't physically attach like that.
>>54900724
>>54900745You're trying to convince someone who's being manipulated that he's being manipulated.
>>54900739yeah but dreamcatchers were modeled after spiderwebs in the first place. that’s why they’re also called spider web charms. so dreamcatchers were made to resemble spider webs to catch dreams. and terapagos was made to resemble a dreamcatcher, it’s like a conga line
>>54900757>yeah butThe minute you said "yeah" you ran out of arguments.While they're based on webs dream catchers have their own distinct shapes separate from actual webs because of the materials used.
>>54900756So are you saying time travel is the popular opinion contrary to what you said here? >>54900732You're so deep into contrarianism that you're disagreeing with yourself.
What did the schizo mean by this?
>>54900745>why does everything else think it looks like a dreamcatcher but me who’s being a biased contrarian trying to nitpick it isn’t a literal dreamcatcher objectmon?
>>54900745So you agree everyone sees it's a dreamcatcher..?
>Just woke up>See timetravelbros literally creating strawmen to fight amongst themselves>But "imaginationfag" is supposed to be a single bogeymanThis is probably a good time to point out that it's either time travel by the paradoxmon being from the actual past or future or it's literally anything else (imagination)If you want to be more specific about a secret society, that's atlantis.
>>54900739>In some Native American and First Nations cultures, a dreamcatcher (Ojibwe: asabikeshiinh, the inanimate form of the word for 'spider') is a handmade willow hoop, on which is woven a net or web. It may also be decorated with sacred items such as certain feathers or beads. Traditionally, dreamcatchers are hung over a cradle or bed as protection. It originates in Anishinaabe culture as "the spider web charm" – asubakacin 'net-like' (White Earth Nation); bwaajige ngwaagan 'dream snare' (Curve Lake First Nation) – a hoop with woven string or sinew meant to replicate a spider's web, used as a protective charm for infants.LITERALLY you just had to make the most basic google search to avoid embarrassing yourself.
Timesissies got quiet real quick.
>>54895484IT DOESNT MENA ANYTHING LOLOLOLOLL IF ITS OFFICIAL = CANON DEAL WITH IT IMAGINATIONFAGS
>>54894944Those are dead beasts
Huh, I didn't expect him to samefag for 3 hours on his own but I guess when you imagine other personalities you're never alone.
>>54901643maximum copium
>>54900813You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the conversation.
>>54901673Call it a cope if you want but you bumped the thread all on your own and even got lonely when no one replied to you.
>>54901714there are 40 different IPs in this thread. you’re the delusional one thinking it’s just a lone samefag
>>54901733Yeah sure because the ip count ever meant anything.Also get 4chanX already if you want to improve your samefagging.
>>54901746>reaching levels of copium not thought possible
>>54900813A few threads ago, they named me as the lone imaginationfag...Now it's someone else, apparently, funny how that works out.
We started off entering the Terarium in the Blueberry Academy with Lacey and Cyrano where she explains what the Terarium is with projections of the passage of timeAHAHHAHAHAHAA
>>54901993timefags will look at a clock and start cumming
>>54901993>a timelapse view of the terrarium to explain what it is, is proof of time travel… because IT IS OKAY???!jesus christ even joe can’t type properly anyways
>>54902003>>54902041seethe
>timefag so deep in the shit he has to pretend that dreamcatchers don't look like spider webs
>>54902003>>54902041You're saying this a people who won't let go of the word "dream" despite it being used figuratively and not literally.The again your language probably doesn't have that.
>>54902081the word dream is constantly used in-game, the phrase “passage of time” is just what joe merrick typed out when he probably just watched a cutscene of the terrarium. you can’t be this stupid
>>54902106
>>54902106>proving >>54902081's point
>>54902106>the word dream is constantly used in-gameYes, figuratively. At no point is it used literally as in "I saw this pokemon in my dream and it came to life".Meanwhile time, past, future, goals and ambitions in general are a theme theme in SV, things you would associate with wishing aren't.
>>54902128>with Lacey and Cyrano where she explains what the Terarium is with projections of the passage of time and the sky through the dome -Joe Merrickjoe literally just watched a cutscene of a timelapse. are you dumb?
>>54902147You didn't even read his post did you.
>>54902150why are you taking joe merrick’s words as gospel. SV had a section where you quickly cycle day and nights at the school before the treasure hunt begins, is that proof of time travel?
>>54902154Why aren't you reading his post?You're the only one talking about Joe.
>>54902154>W-WHY DO YOU TAKE THE GAMES WORD AS GOSPEL>W-WHY DO YOU TAKE PREVIEWS AS GOSPEL>W-WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A CHINK AS GOSPEL LIKE I DOyou reek of desperation
Time travel, or imagination, either way I hope the DLC gives a definitive answer so I can gloat.
>>54902135>goals and ambitions in general are a theme theme in SV>things you would associate with wishing aren't.Timefag intelligence shows its face again.
>accuses everyone of lying except themselvesActual schizo
>>54902164Are you going to make an argument or are you just going to whine about the lack of evidence for wishing?
>>54902168Why would a anyone accuse themselves of lying?
>>54902176>Are you going to make an argumentLet me save you an afternoon: no
>>54902176You made my argument for me so I'll just link back to my post >>54902164
>>54902179Hey you were right.
>>54902159>>54902160text in-game is more proof over the words joe uses to describe a timelapse cutscene. and wish and desire manifestation is a figurative dream being made into reality anyways. >>54894944but I guess you don’t want to pretend the loyal 3 had their dreams come true from a peach that ate one too many tera crystals and has corrupted terapagos powers
>>54896559No I'm saying what does kitakami have to do with the time machine plot at all? It's just a side story set in a different location.
imaginationfag is S P I R A L I N G
>>54902213>timefag cant explain how a wish granting peach ties into the whole story
>>54902128>>>proving 54902081's pointSo are we going to ignore that dream is used in critical points of the plot about a DREAMCATCHER legendary?Cool.You know what's even cooler? The fact the AI never really explicitly says that Paradoxmons are from the past or future either, or that the time machine is taking them to the literal past or future. There's always some weasel word.>But these Pokémon’s powers SEEM to stemfrom a primal energy of the ancient past...and this energy has proved too terrible.>When she was alive, Professor Sada had a great fascination with Pokémon from another age— what you might call ancient Pokémon>I bet he got so fixated with the future Pokémon he read about in here that it made him want to see one for himself.>I think you’re onto something! It is kinda giving off future vibes. Even its name sounds...future-y!Imaginationfags cannot stop winning.
>>54902226>cant make an argumentconcession accepted
>>54902199>text in-game is more proofText in game would be proof if it was used literally.>and wish and desire manifestation is a figurative dream being made into reality anywaysThat's not how literal and figurative works. In this case dream isn't being used to mean "thoughts in my head" but rather "it's my goal to do X".>but I guess you don’t want to pretend the loyal 3 had their dreams come true from a peach that ate one too many tera crystals and has corrupted terapagos powersYou don't need that 'don't' there. Anyway, the loyal three didn't have their wishes granted in the magical kind of way, they were given chains that injected poison into their bodies.
>>54902232>So are we going to ignore that dream is used in critical points of the plot about a DREAMCATCHER legendary?If you want to be anal about it the word for dream isn't used in any other language.
>>54902162It won't, that's the fucking hilarious part. they already signposted Briar proving Heath correct to the world. The answer next up is "How did Heath see these fantastical beasts to then write about them and be subsequently disbelieved for being so far-fetched and out-there?" because they already finished with the professor's story. That you need to finish both the way home and teal mask to even start Indigo Disk has pushed it outside the confines of base game content.
This dude is so mentally ill he's convinced himself the region is based on north america
>>54902243>Anyway, the loyal three didn't have their wishes granted in the magical kind of way, they were given chains that injected poison into their bodies.now that’s actual headcanon. the game uses the keywords “longing, desire, and wish” but now you’re saying its a magical random poison that grants the ugly bird beauty while the dog gets super muscles, tailored to whatever desire they had in their head? it’s just glimmoras toxic debris that became wish granting toxic chains because it ate too many tera crystals and ended up being able to grant wishes itself.
>>54902249>the word for dream isn't used in any other language.>... La Professeure Olim rêvait>La Professoressa originaria aveva un sogno:>Mein Original träumteSure.
>>54902249They make a point in all languages actually
>new info>autist droning on year old shit while sticking fingers in their earsjust another day
>>54902272Yeah it's hilarious that there are tools to look up all the text in the game if you want to cherrypick specific words from it to "prove" your point.The imagination evidence is even more damning with context, yet this faggot is trying to use ChatGPT to prove their time travel headcanon lol
>>54902232>The fact the AI never really explicitly says that Paradoxmons are from the past or future either,>The Zero Lab, where I am located, contains a time machine. It summons the ancient Pokémon to this place>Through analysis of its genetic makeup, as well as its behavioral patterns...I came to realize that what I had discovered was in fact an ancient form of Cyclizar, the Pokémon commonly ridden in this region.>Koraidon, which I entrusted to <player>...was the first Pokémon that was successfully retrieved from the past by the time machine.">Many other Pokémon also came to this place from across the boundaries of time. But I was never able to bring over more than two specimens of Koraidon>The time machine is a device that the original professor and I worked on together. It sends Poké Balls to a different point on the timeline to catch Pokémon there, and it can then draw them back here to the present.>Even as we speak, the time machine continues to automatically draw ancient Pokémon to this time. Is there anything else you wish to ask?Multiple times.
>>54902282Cool now where is it confirmed they are ancient/future Pokemon and why call attention to it at all if they are?Also why is some sketchy magazine closer at pinpointing their designs than what actual past/future Pokemon are?
>>54902261It also calls them retainer pokémon as species name and explicitly states their forms are due to the toxic chains on their bodies.Dokutaro is a mutated Glimmora, seemingly or related in some fashion to it. But it's not a glimmora, has some ability to influence or subvert others' free will and is ultimately a side-story in the events of Blueberry academy, before the AZ finale.
>T-THE OCCULTURE>THE AI LIES WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT TO ME>JOE MERRICK IS A LIAR!
>>54902261>now that’s actual headcanon>After all its muscles were stimulated by the toxic chain around its neck, Okidogi transformed and gained a powerful physique.>The chain is made from toxins that enhance capabilities. It stimulated Munkidori's brain and caused the Pokémon's psychic powers to bloom.>Fezandipiti owes its beautiful looks and lovely voice to the toxic stimulants emanating from the chain wrapped around its body.Uh-huh "Headcanon"
>>54902300>>T-THE OCCULTUREIs bullshit and timefags are retarded for believing it. It's totally unrealistic on all fronts.>>THE AI LIES WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT TO METhe AI never lies. They believe exactly what the professor believed because their database is an exact copy of their memories.>>JOE MERRICK IS A LIAR!Joe is a cunt but what did he do this time?
>>54902291>Also why is some sketchy magazine closer at pinpointing their designs than what actual past/future Pokemon are?Because they got the designs from the game-specific book and speculated on the rest. Flutter Mane is the prime example; the actual article states outright the description comes from the book."Flutter Mane—a name taken from a strange creature with a matching description appearing in the Scarlet Book"Meanwhile the opposing game's dex entry is, like is the case for every transfered other-game paradox mon, meant to make it sound EXTRA stupid.
>>54902291>Why call attention to it at all if they are>if the game states a thing that is immediate suspicion that it's not trueI'm not even in this thread nor do I care about this topic but I have to swing by and give 9.5 score for that particular piece of mental gymnastics.
>>54902291>why call attention to it at all if they are?Because that's how stories work when you have a mystery.>Also why is some sketchy magazine closer at pinpointing their designs than what actual past/future Pokemon are?Gee I wonder why a magazine that has articles based on descriptions in a factual book are able to accurately describe them.Next you'll be saying that chickens don't exist because Cucoos are in Zelda and look just like chickens.Honestly, you've reached rock bottom anon. You're the only one still focused on the main story while everyone else moved on to the dlc.
>>54902316>Flutter Mane is the prime example; the actual article states outright the description comes from the book.Yeah the readable articles you see in-game (which start at #4, leaving slots for the imaginary paradox splits we see) are all a 2nd source from the book, and they're seemingly the only place that implies they are from drastically different time periods.>Meanwhile the opposing game's dex entry is, like is the case for every transfered other-game paradox mon, meant to make it sound EXTRA stupid.Exactly. There's no need for continuity of the other version paradoxes since the time machine never pulled them in. But the key point here is that the dex entries of each paradox, no matter the version, all state they are "similar" or that the name is "borrowed" from the book.Ultimately both versions do exist in the same continuity, and the best way to explain that is 2nd source imagination theory.
>>54902332>You're the only one still focused on the main story while everyone else moved on to the dlc.So your headcanon got thoroughly disproved and now you think it doesn't matter? Nice. Maybe now that you've given up there can be some actual discussion without timefags screeching about it.
>>54898000Retard
>>54902309Timefags never did, it was crux to believing in time theory in the first place, because that's the logical conclusion to a paradox story that also proves the narrator of the past story reliable.>shitty magazine casts doubt on veracity of creature origins>begin to help arven heal his sick pupper with herba>find out monster from book is actually real>go down to arven's parents' lab when of a qualified grade>find out the rest of the shit Heath wrote about was real>find out Arven's parent made a time machineThing kinda hinges on occulture being taken for the shitty rag it's supposed to be. The paradox occurs because these things shouldn't have been in the present or in heath's time. The time travel explains how they made it to present. Briar's going to help us find out how they got to the past.
>>54902336>and they're seemingly the only place that implies they are from drastically different time periods.Which they don't, of the what, twelve, articles we have? only three are said to be from different time periods with Bundle being from the past specifically so if occulture were true like you imaginationfags believe bundle would be in scarlet.>Ultimately both versions do exist in the same continuityNo, they can't exist in the same continuity at all because the Scarlet Book doesn't exist in Violet and vice versa for the violet book. It's just the pokedex referring to the opposite version again. Though I suppose travelling to a different timeline could facilitate that but you don't want to entertain time travel.
>>54902339>So your headcanon got thoroughly disprovedAnon, tell me, what happens in the final story?
>>54902336>But the key point here is that the dex entries of each paradox, no matter the version, all state they are "similar" or that the name is "borrowed" from the book.They do, until they're transferred - at that point they're only mentioned as being from a "dubious magazine" which no mention of the book, unlike that game's respective 'mons.Again, to use Flutter Mane as the prime example, in the Violet dex entry it is SPECIFICALLY noted as resembling a ghostly pterosaur mentioned in a magazine but "bares little else in common."This is in very stark contrast to the actual article in Scarlet, which mentions its appearance is drawn from the book and it looks like a giant Misdreavus - the whole "ghostly pterosaur" thing is a wild rumor for what its a ghost of, not that it IS one.
>>54902213>WISHES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAIN THEMES OF THE GAME LIKE HOPES AND ASPIRATIONS YOU DUMB CHUD
>>54902385If you're that confident show us a dream being granted out of thin air in SV.
>>54902398Herba Mystica healing
>>54902413Each herb has a specific effect.Try again.
>>54902356>because that's the logical conclusion to a paradox storyHow exactly is it paradoxical if these Pokemon really existed in the time periods they believe they originate from?Does that mean Celebi is a paradox Pokemon because it time travels? What about Pokemon like Relicanth that are definitively ancient? Why isn't Porygon or Metagross considered a Paradox Pokemon if their components are markedly futuristic and artificial?The only reasonable conclusion here is that the Paradox Pokemon are in fact paradoxical.
>>54901993We already knew the terrarium was a reproduction of the Momotaro tale just like the Paldea stuff was based on the in-universe Scarlet/Violet book.Why are timetrannies so slow and incompetent?
>>54902420Each herb had the same effect for the titan pokemon. It only had a different effect when Arven believed it would have a different effect. Start coping.
>>54902398>what is dokutaro likely the one responsible for resurrecting its minions with a giant purple pillar of light because it desired its retainers back
>>54902433Because Arven specifically notes they have to be prepared a certain way for their effects to kick in, which is why he makes them into sandwiches.They have the same effects for the Titans because the Titans just eat them raw (and a lot of them).
>>54902120>>54902128>>54902135As in day and night not time.
>>54902442Yeah, there's that delicious cope. No he actually says the herbs themselves have the effects he wants them to have. They also have the same empowering effect on your Raidon they had for the titans rather than giving him better vision and whatever else Arven wished for his dog.
>>54902433>Each herb had the same effect for the titan pokemonIt's almost as if growth is a side effect when eaten in excess like the book says >>54902435Yeah because the three people who were there who knew that the loyal three were the aggressors wished for them to come back to life.Try again
>artificial dome with artificial biomes and day and night cycle shows its functions to the player>the timetranny cries tears of joyBut hey maybe we should ask chat gpt about it KEK
>>54902457>No he actually says the herbs themselves have the effects he wants them to haveWhich he never says, obviously. He only ever reads the effects straight from the book.>They also have the same empowering effect on your Raidon they had for the titansWhich would suggest that it grew.Which it didn't.
>>54902457Based on what it says in the book, which is why he tracks the herbs down to begin with.Also no, your Raidon specifically heals over the story from being forced out of Area Zero by the other Raidon and its crash landing via eating the herb sandwhiches. It doesn't turn into a Titan Pokemon, same way Mabosstiff doesn't.
>>54902484>He only ever reads the effects straight from the book.Yeah the book that describes their effects at a base level and not in sandwich form.>Which would suggest that it grew.You already blew this point out yourself in your last post here >>54902458>growth is a side effect when eaten in excessYou can't keep your story straight because you don't actually have any understanding of what's going on. You just spend all your time trying to argue against everything even when your arguments against individual points fuck your other arguments. You're a contrarian idiot.
>>54902503>and not in sandwich form.Which doesn't change the effect or the herb.>You already blew this point out yourself in your last post hereYeah, I know. If you know that post and this one blew your point out why acknowledge it?>You can't keep your story straight What?
>>54902520>Which doesn't change the effect or the herb.You literally just said it did LMAO >>54902442>Because Arven specifically notes they have to be prepared a certain wayLike I said, you don't actually have any beliefs, you don't actually have any understanding. You just want to be contrarian and argue every single point even when it makes no sense. Fucking clown.
>>54902526>You literally just said it did LMAOI'm literally not that anon lol, you're talking to two different people here.
>>54902503>You can't keep your story straightThere's no issues in his posts though? The two things we know about the herbs are that they1) cure various physical ailments2) can cause pokemon to grow if a lot are eatenWhat's the problem here?
>>54902526>You literally just said it didYou may be samefagging but you're talking to more than one person.>You just want to be contrarianYou know what, you're right.From this point on I'll be supporting the imagination theory to show my contrarianism.
>>54902458Hierba making mons bigger is in fact justified by its wish granting effect. Imagine this:>mon eats it and wishes XYZ>the mons who wish to become bigger and stronger become titans>player only notices the titans because wishes such as "living longer" or "acquiring food" wouldn't be directly noticeable Plus, a wild pokemon's sole ambition is probably to get stronger to acquire more territory and bitches, it's only naturalThe real question is: where does the Hierba come from? How does it tie to Terapagos/momotaro
>>54902041>>54901993If you watch the video it's clear that he means the time of day is being projected inside the dome, as it is underwater and thus does not get natural sunlight.
>>54902571>>mon eats it and wishes XYZThe likelihood of multiple pokemon wishing to be bigger, especially the paradox Donphan which is already larger than any Donphan in the modern era, is low.Not to mention, after the effects of the herb fade and they shrink down again they're already the largest of their kind and they would have to be fairly strong in general to take over the den in the first place to eat the herbs. The more you think about it the more it can't be a wish.
>>54894835>>54895090When you keep both of these in mind, it really paints a very important picture that Heath probably became best friends with Terapagos, and that friendship definitely extends to his Cyclizar as well.Interesting how in both Turo and Sada's individual ideals, a Paradox Cyclizar ends up being the most powerful Pokemon they're able to bring into Paldea through the Time Machine, but they can specifically only summon two, unlike the hypothetically unlimited amounts of other Paradoxes that end up integrating into Area Zero's ecosystem.
>>54902648>that Heath probably became best friends with Terapagos,Heath barely interacted with Terapagos anon not to mention it was clearly in a dormant state.
I'm still waiting for someone to post actual evidence that doesn't come from the unreluable narrator.
>>54902689They can't post any. We've been asking for evidence for imagination for literally a year now.
The professor is alive.
>>54902714Might actually be a possibility
>>54902699>WeWhy do you pretend anyone other than you believes in time travel?
>>54902699
>>54902752Because you don't have to believe it's time travel to see how little sense imagination makes.It's literally you vs everyone else here.
>>54902791Time tranny, most of the fanbase stopped believing in time travel after the first dlc released but because you're an eternal contrarian you have to always go against the popular opinion.
>>54901993Nigger just saw the word "time" and started yapping.
>>54902830What part of "you don't have to believe it's time travel to see how little sense imagination makes" don't you get? Also, just because imaginationfags are loud doesn't mean they're the popular opinion, just look at zodiacfags and the gen 5 patternfags.All it means is that you won't shut the fuck up and are desperate for like minded people.
>>54902895I wouldn't bother, he thinks it's a two party system so no matter what it's imagination vs time travel.Even if the rest of us have moved on to other things.
>>54902895Nobody believes in time travel other than you time tranny.
>>54902856Jut like imaginationfags when they see the word "dream" with no understanding of the subtleties of its context?
>>54903217How many times is "dream" used in the game without refering to one's illusions, aspirations and wishes?I'm waiting.
>>54903465Every single time when it comes to illusions. The other two aren't exclusive to imagination.
>>54903465I like how one time travel fag said that dreams referred to aspirations and goals and not literal wishes and dreams and you just slotted aspiration into your lexicon as if it was always there
>>54903494>>54903512>they are so uncultured they think everyone discovers words at the same rate at them (without actually understanding themselves)Okay we got it, you know dreams is always used in SV for the same context. Good cope.
>>54903552So you admit you didn't know what the word meant until that anon brought it up.
>>54903599>so you admit you didn't know what the word meantI didn't want to call you illiterate in this post because I already did it before, but I guess it's fine since you didn't catch the first time with your reading comprehension skills.I'm not even amoused by your stupidity, this is just sad now, at this rate you will say I'm calling myself uncultured next or something like that.
>>54903652Whatever you say my ESL friend.Either way it's undeniable that you're just picking up words as you. I mean, do you genuinely think that no one has noticed?
>>54903751>proving me rightWhatever makes you sleep at night, bro. Sorry you couldn't come up with a satisfying amount of samples of "dream" not being used as synonym of wish
>>54903776You know the onus is on you to prove that right? Remember it can't be used in place of goal or ambition.
>>54903794>dream can't be used in place of goal or ambitionMy fucking sides
>>54903817And you're criticising my reading comprehension.You know this whole thing came about because you didn't know they weren't being literal with the word dream right?You made your bed, now lie in it.
>>54903831>attacking my reading comprehension while he fails understanding what he reads, againAnon, you poor, sorry excuse of a human being... you know the LITERAL meaning of dream isn't goal or ambition, right? Therefore, characters using dream NOT in literal sense is exactly my point.
>>54903888>you know the LITERAL meaning of dream isn't goal or ambition, right?It's almost as if they're using it figuratively.Don't worry, you'll grasp the nuance of English eventually.
>>54903957Anon, you are once again pretending the literal of use of the word dream is what I'm looking for, when it's literally the opposite. You are too stupid to understand you are defending my point, do you understand how sad this is for you?
>>54903888>Therefore, characters using dream NOT in literal sense is exactly my point.If they aren't being literal, which of course they aren't, then it doesn't work for your argument which relies on them using the word literally.This genuinely explains why you believe in the imagination theory, you genuinely can't into English
Time sisters we took a massive L
>>54903888Yes, that's the difference of figurative dreams. Sadly, you fucks seem to think dreampower is LITERAL dreams and are conflating the figurative uses of it as part of your fucking delusion.Are all your species as stupid as you or are you just special?
>>54904003>>54904034>still trying to correct words I've never spokenShameful. See >>54904000 and stop embarrassing yourselves, please.
>>54904004also a massive D right into their asses
>>54904075Anon, if you believe imagination then you're looking for that literal use of dream.If it's being used as an analogue for goal or ambition then it doesn't work for your argument because one of the core themes of SV is that nothing comes for free and achieving your goals takes hard work.Which is the exact opposite of wish granting.
>>54904156>anon, my interpretation of your idea is the only correct one, how dare you explain to me I have been doing exactly the opposite to what I was supposed to do? No, the idea of tera crystals granting wishes relies on the literal meaning of dream, not the one that acts as synonym of wish. You aren't thinking what you think you are thinking, okay?"Stop embarrassing yourselves, please." And the meds. Don't forget the meds again.
>>54904190The kicker is that in all the time you spent whining you could have just looked for some actual evidence.But now you're just going to be angry for the rest of your day.
