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Why do people hate this so much? All the Champions got animated battles and Ash ended up becoming the greatest Champion in the world. It had issues but it was decent
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badly executed build up to it
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>>52318088
You have 0 reason to care about any of these fucks in the anime.
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>>52318088
Shit fan service
Unearned
Trash
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Iris, Diantha, Leon
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>Poor build up
>Ash didn’t use his reserves
>Ash more people would have preferred Ash Vs Lance over Steven due to their history
>All the cameos really hammered in how poorly structured Journeys was that we didn’t have dedicated episodes featuring the Hoenn/Unova rivals, Ritchie and even the Legend of Thunder cast.
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it tried to be fan service and did a shit job of it. endless amounts of matchups and they managed to choose every worst one
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>>52318088
Match ups made no sense
Battles were either poorly choreographed, nonsensical, or rushed
Stupid filler
The only "good" match was Ash vs Leon, every other battle was based on who TPC wanted to shill at the time with blantent coomerbait privilege
Power scale fags were at their absolute worst
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A lot of the battles felt super rushed and the Chloe episodes in the middle murdered the hype pacing.
Plus XYfags won’t stop bitching that they didn’t get their fanservice Alain rematch.
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Skipping from Ash not even being in the position to challenge a champion, to topping a tournament of all the champions while still seeming like a rookie is weird.
Specially if you're a fan of any of the champions . The anime depicted them as near mythical figures that could swat even Tobias who had multiple legionaries on his team. In this arc they don't seem particularly intense.
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>>52318088
Is Lance the Champion of Kanto and Johto?
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>>52318088
It didn't happen the exact way different fanboys wanted, so they're salty. Plus other fanatics mad their favorite Champions lost. Masters 8 was absolute kino.
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>>52318388
>Skipping from Ash not even being in the position to challenge a champion
Spoken like someone who hasn't watched in 20 years>>52318388
>The anime depicted them as near mythical figures that could swat even Tobias who had multiple legionaries on his team
The anime never did that. You just did in your own head as a kid and never stopped. The Champions were always just pretty strong people who were still beatable. Just like in the games.
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>>52318427
Yes it’s been established since his return in the show
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>>52318322
Were???
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>>52318088
>Leon is already disliked character so letting him jump the line to being the strongest champion was grating
>Making Ash obsessed over him just adds fuel to the fire
>Leon humilaiting Alain, a fan favorite, was also offensive
>The Ash-Steven battle was short and badly written
>Cynthia chose to dynamax her Togekiss instead of Mega Evolve her Garchomp, knowing Ash had a Mega Lucario
>Leon's team is absurdly overpowered while also being stupid. 4 starters and a Mr. Rime is NOT GOOD TEAM BUILDING
>Pikachu wins with an asspull
The timing is also bad. The anime was smart enough to realize that SWSH was toxic shit and go in a different direction, but ended up being mainy SWSHit anyway, surprise people don't like SWSH
GF and TPCi throwing them under a bus by having the meaning of 'champion' come to nothing in Paldea, everyone's retarded special olympics finalist is a champion, Geeta is stronger than Leon despite her shitty Gogoat and Avalugg team, it's a huge joke
All the anime did was guarantee it's going to end now
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>>52318088
Absolutely horrendous execution. Might as well have gone with making all the non Leon fights into slideshows as was originally intended. At least we wouldn't have to sit through 3-4 months of garbage episodes with 4 fucking recap episodes in between
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>>52318547
>Alain, a fan favorite
Wasnt this the dude who beat ash and made people seethe so much they caused the neutering of the shitnime?
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>No Alder.
>No Kukui.
>No Gary.
>"All the champion"
lol
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>>52318591
People liked Alain until he beat Ash
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>>52318730
>people liked alain until he refused to job to an eternally boring shitter
can't blame em for creating leon after that
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>>52318088
>Iris
>no Cynthia vs Steven
>seriously, Iris?
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>>52318671

>Alder

Not a Champion.

>Kukui

Def not a Champion

Gary

>Not a Champion or close near it
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>>52318826
I hate to get too hung up on "power level" shit, but I do dislike how after the previous seasons, Journeys really felt like it trivialized what it meant to be a Champion level trainer for everyone other than Leon.
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>>52318867
Yes they literally are play the games
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>>52318671
>No new paldean pokemon teaser in the tournament or trainer like back in Johto
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>>52318088
anyone over the age of 18 hates the immortal chink.
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>>52318088
The artstyle is probably as close as you can get to CalArts while still being technically anime
it's just not good, Ash looks like a muppet
look how much Lance stands out
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>>52318088
Because ashnimefags won't shut the fuck up about muh power levels now in threads that have nothing to do with the anime, worse than DBZ spics
Also it spawned the most fucking annoying Leonfags, before this shit everyone just made fun of that faggot excuse of a champion but the ashinmefags love to suck his cock for whatever reason
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>>52318088
Badly choreographed battles that might not be awful in a vacuum, but aren't anywhere near as good as a tournament of this scale should be. Random ass League trainers in previous regions looked like more competent battlers than half of these guys based on strategy. Ash's new team doesn't feel deserved.
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>>52318249
fpbp
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>>52318088
How come Diantha and Alain are both there
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>>52318088
They made Diantha look like a complete joke, although seeing the monke kick ass was pretty funny.
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>>52319625
>Also it spawned the most fucking annoying Leonfags, before this shit everyone just made fun of that faggot excuse of a champion but the ashinmefags love to suck his cock for whatever reason
All Leonfags are just doing it ironically. They don't actually like him, they just want to shitpost at fans of other Champions.
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>>52318999
Kukui lost to E4 Lance, so he's definitely not champion material in the games
But anime's Kukui is on another level from the games and in the fun match he even used a legendary, so it's fair to compare him to one.
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>>52319989
>Kukui lost to E4 Lance, so he's definitely not champion material in the games
Game Kukui leaves the actual result between him and Lance entirely up in the air. He might have won, he might have lost.
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>>52319972
I'm probably the only one Leonfag in /vp/ right now and honestly I wish this shitty ass tournament never existed because it spawned so much hatred that a civil discussion about them is impossible to do. All pokémon champions are great in different ways, but outright hating one or another to the expenses of other anons' favorites it's just how this site operates I guess.
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>>52320130
You're definitely not a Leonfag. If you were you would know he's been hated since SwSh, long before the M8 tournament. Even in the anime, people hated him on debut because he beat Lance and was revealed as the strongest in the world.
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>>52320271
I am a Leonfag since day one and I can tell you are full of bullshit. Before the M8 arc, he was criticized either for his dumb outfit or CHARIZARD. M8 spiralled down the hatred towards him since the ranks had been shown and increased with the Alain battle specifically.
He has a decent fanbase still, if his merch and fanart amount can tell for a three year old character.
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>>52320379
I've disliked Leon since launch, since I didn't like how he was blatantly being shilled to be "the absolute best". I also said at the start, Leon isn't shilling Charizard, Charizard is being used to shill Leon.
I'm also a Mastersfag, and really hate his and Galar shilling there too
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>>52320271
The only people that hated him was butthurt Cynthiafags that she’s not the strongest and Garchomp looked like an absolute bitch this entire tournament while Charizard didn’t.

Cynthiafags can’t stand this would happen any day of the week. They’ve been mad ever since the anime hasn’t confirmed and validates their headcanon that she’s the strongest
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>>52320478
You can dislike Leon or any other champions all you want but my point specifically was that this poorly made attempt of a tournament killed any semblance of civil champion discussions for good over powerlevelfaggotry and hatred.
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>>52318088
>Ash ended up becoming the greatest Champion in the world
How are they going to keep the anime going with this nigga when he literally beat the game?
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>>52320662
Journeys was always a mess of half-baked and poorly thought out ideas. Anyone but the most blind followers could tell Masters 8 would be terrible just from how the ranking plotline was handled.

Another dead give away was that throughout Journeys, it was clear that the staff had no idea what build up is and always went for the end result. Want Ash to be strong? Why have him train up to reach that level when he could catch fully evolved Pokemon and skip developing them? Things like that, going for instant gratification is what this season was built on.
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>>52320379
Leon has been disliked since before launch newfag
The Cynthia fags couldn't stop seething at him being claimed as the champion of champions
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>>52320754
The big problem is the PWC storyline really works best as a real sequel and the writers treated it as if it was another badge quest with underdog Ash.
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>>52320792
>Leon has been disliked since before launch newfag
I've said that. But it became worse with the M8.
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>>52318088
>a meeting of the strongest trainers in the world
>decent
Do you see the problem here? Something like this shouldn’t just be “decent”, you retard.
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>>52319939
I didn't like how it made Aurorus and Tyrantrum look like a joke. Aurorus especially.
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>>52320528
This. Precisely why the anon claiming only now you couldn't have a "civil discussion" is full of shit. You could never have a civil discussion because people were too butthurt that their favorite champion wasnt the strongest.
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>>52318547
>Leon is already disliked character
No, he's not. Where are you guys getting this from?
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>>52321611
the vocal minority you hear on reddit and here.
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>>52321642
That sounds about right desu
Champion autism is absolutely the dumbest thing
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>>52318671
Alder was dethroned by Iris
Kukui is not a champion plus he's too busy raising a baby, being a teacher and doing research to participate in a PWC anyways.
>Gary
The dude jobbed earlier than Ash in both the Kanto and Johto league then just gave up being a professional trainer altogether.
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>>52320528
Yep.
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>>52318547
>Leon is already disliked character so letting him jump the line to being the strongest champion was grating
True
>Making Ash obsessed over him just adds fuel to the fire
True
>Leon humilaiting Alain, a fan favorite, was also offensive
Cringe, kys
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>>52318088
It was awful for the most part
See lucario vs garchomp and togekiss
Some of the worst in that tournament



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