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I can't wait for Scarlet and Violet. Not because I actually plan on playing them, but because I'm excited for how the meta will shape up
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>>51143504
nothing will change except CHARIZARD getting another broken special snowflake form.
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>>51143516
>Terastallizes into a Rock type
nothin personnel, Zard-san
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>>51143504
Ah, the good ol' days of Cinderace not being banned
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>>51143504
No need to wait, I know the meta:
>Shedinja
>Dugtrio with reversal
>everything else is filler
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>>51143605
Shedinja ain't going to be seen in singles still. Toxic, Rocky Helmet, Sand Stream, Snow Warning, and Leech Seed are popular in singles. Not to mention random chance bullshit like Flame Body
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>>51143605
>Dugtrio with Reversal
Arena Trap is getting banned again
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>>51143516
I don't think Charizard was confirmed to have a new form
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>>51143605
Shedinja will still be nothing more than meme material in singles
stronger meme material, but meme material still. you will never get consistent wins with Shedinja.
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>>51144322
It'll be a meme in doubles until restricted mons are allowed back in. Tyranitar is sure to see play as the best non-legendary weather setter, and that alone will keep Shedinja in check. When Kyogre and Groudon are back, Shedinja will be a problem.
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>>51143504
Mons that sound very stupid in Gen 9 OU, only confirmed mons.
>Cloyster
>Azumarill
>Tyranitar
>Volc
>H-Zoroark for meme potential
basically anything with setup moves will get a lot out of terastal
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>>51144383
>Cloyster
Oh fuck you're right. I didn't think about Rock Terastallize on it for STAB Rock Blast. Or giving it a type to cover its Steel weakness like Ground or Fighting
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>>51144422
No, all of what you proposed is kinda trash.
Literally just go for Shell Smash + Ice Tera.
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>>51144682
That would be a waste of your Tera. You'd want to take advantage of the Tera move to get your Fighting or Ground coverage so you can slam Steel types that can switch in for free on Cloyster. Perhaps Fire in OU where you want to clip Corv, Ferrothorn, Kartana, Magnezone, Bisharp's evolution, and so on.
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>>51144682
>Dude double down on one of your own STABs lmao
Are you one of those guys who plans on running Electra Tera on Regieleki?
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>>51144959
No Regieleki straight-up wouldn't use Tera. lmao
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>>51143661
Electric or normal mean one weakness.

Don't use balloon, it's a meme. Heavy duty boots or Safety Goggle.

With this you can easily predict status moves or your one weakness and not die.
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>>51143504
What makes kingdra OU? just rain?
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>>51144985
Regieleki is going to get banned for using Ice Tera
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>>51143504
To bad Dracovish is likely to stay banned. Makes me wonder how hard Fishious Rend is going to hit with Tera Water increasing STAB.
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>>51144995
Back during IoA it was the most common rain sweeper because Seismitoad wasn't "discovered" yet. Barraskewda would quickly rise to take its place after that because it got Flip Turn from the tutors. Now Rain is usually Seismitoad + Barraskewda + Ferrothorn with your choice of Zapdos, Volcanion, Thundurus-T, Tornadus-T, Scizor, Bisharp, or Urshifu-R
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>>51145019
Dracovish is actually decent in Ubers because of how hard it hits. It can chew through things like Lugia, Necrozma-DM, and Yveltal. What hope does OU have of answering it?
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>>51145023
Is Flip Turn the only thing that actually changed for Barraskewda? Was it just one of those Pokemon that nobody really thought to use after the Dynamax ban?
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>>51144987
It'll still die to status or Fighting/Ground moves (those are super common in OU). It'll be better than before, but it'll still have very exploitable and common weaknesses.
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>>51145040
It was broken with Dynamax, but without it it was just okay. After it got Flip Turn it gave Rain a way to keep momentum. Your Thunder user very likely has Volt Switch, letting you run U-turn on Pelipper, Flip Turn on Barraskewda, and something like Magearna or Zapdos with Volt Switch. Barraskewda is super hard to pin down and kill because of Flip Turn, and it'll wear down switch ins with repeated rain boosted CB Flip Turns until it can just click Liquidation for 6 turns straight and win.

And yes, Flip Turn was all it got that made it shoot up in popularity. It was already "discovered" so to speak, and it didn't take all that long for Rain to rear its head back in OU after falling to UU.
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The absolute state
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>>51144959
Not him but what's the issue here? It'd get more stab. Not that i would apppint him as my go-to tera user but there are worse choices.
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>>51144296
Charizard isn't even in the game.
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>>51145280
People are going to switch in their Cloyster check whenever they see a Cloyster. The extra damage MIGHT help break through something less beefy like Corv, but for something like Toxapex? You're getting hazed whether you're dealing 35% to it or 70%. It's better to give it a Tera type that lets it cover its weaknesses
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>>51145038
+1 Draco can one-shot Lugia sometimes after rocks. You throw in some spikes and it's invincible.
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>>51145315
Hey we'll see you know.
But it's much more worth to increase STAB when you're a setup sweeper than whatever the fuck you mean by covering its weaknesses (it'll just get others retard)
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>>51143504
surprise teras are a more powerful form of hidden power. In fact depending how the tera-specifc move works it might just kill off anything with an exploitable 4x weakness

If the Tera move changes based on the user's tera type regardless if they are in that form or not then hidden power is back in the game. Is it special? Physical? Both? we don't know but im hedging it will look something like this

>Tera Gleam
>This move inflicts physical or special damage, whichever will be more effective.
>base 60 power
>power increases by 50% if the user is in tera form.
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>>51145230
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>>51146028
60 base power is pretty generous. I was assuming the Tera move would have somewhere on the order of 90 base power, if not 100.
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>>51145343
>252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Lugia: 340-402 (81.7 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Close. It wouldn't KO unless Lugia switched in since it needs Band to KO Lugia. Alternatively you can run Rain and Scarf, but that necessitates Kyogre.

Still, it's ridiculous that Dracovish can even hit that hard. That's a raw fucking attack right there.
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>>51146497
But only stall has to worry about Dracovish...
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>>51146758
>only stall has to worry about vish
holy fucking shit lmao
absolute state of /vp/
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>>51143504
Here let me tell you
The new mechanic is banned in 2 months and nothing changes from Swsh besides. What Pokemon you can pick to spam pivot moves, Smogon players complain the meta is stale because no more 20 year event transfer moves
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>>51143756
Not immediately.
Arena Trap and Genesect will start out unbanned and Smogon will take their time with the inevitable suspect test which will end in a landslide vote to ban.
They do this shit every gen.
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>>51146497
>after rocks
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>>51146769
I was making fun of that guy who likes to say "fanfic meta" and "smoggies just ban anything that threatens stall"
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>>51146794
>that guy
I say that too lol thinking Smogon being a fanfic meta is some unpopular obscure opinion
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>>51146782
Based. If we ever have a generation where Genesect ISN'T tested I'll be pissed. It's Smogon Christmas.
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>>51146780
Nothing wrong with transfer moves. Pre-Home S/S was terrible. Bisharp didn't even have Knock Off and G-Corsola was a genuine menace because like 5 Pokemon had Knock Off or Toxic.

Also, if the mechanics of Terastallization aren't too overbearing, it'll probably stay viable. Ubers will be just a bit bigger than normal as things like Regieleki get banned immediately
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>>51146788
>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Multiscale Lugia: 114-134 (27.4 - 32.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Still 2HKOs regardless of rocks or not.
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>>51146788
>Necrozma-DMs in your path
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>>51146433
>Eternal Steam Engine
kek
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>>51144995
Rain is the only good remaining weather
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>>51146433
Is this supposed to be some Undertale reference I’m not getting?
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>>51147427
Those are all Touhou songs.
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>>51146887
Rocks break Multiscale.
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>>51143504
Of course. Anyone who plays the actual Pokemon games anymore has brain damage. It's 2 steps forward 5 steps back with every game since 2013. The only good thing left about the franchise is the competitive battling, be it VGC or Smogon.
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>>51143605
>Dugtrio with Reversal
come again?
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>>51147427
Did you try Google?
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>>51143504
ALMOST PERFECT FUCKING PICTURE EXCEPT HE SAID PLAN NOT PLOT!!!!!!!
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>>51147427
This one hurts
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>>51147453
Exactly. If Draco is in SV, it will a monstrous nuke with terabullshit.
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>>51146804
People just love bug legendaries.
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Why doesn't /vp/ like VGC? Doubles are fun.

>>51143524
>>Terastallizes into a Rock type
>nothin personnel, Zard-san
Or, just switch to your rock type.

>>51143605
>No need to wait, I know the meta:
>>Shedinja
Shedinja is bait, with weather, toxic, leech seed, poisonpowder, will-o-wisp and all the others you'd be a fool to waste your one use of Tera on it. Something like Tera Fire Rotom Heat into Overheat to one shot new amoongus will be way more valuable than shed.

>>Dugtrio with reversal
Sash + Tera fighting means 350 BP providing you are min speed, go second, get hit by a super effective move on that turn against fighting type. Surely Tera Electric Regileki is the better option by a mile
>>everything else is filler
Tera normal Snorlax
Tera normal Dodrio
Tera Ice or Rock Cloyster
Tera Flying Hawlucha
Tera Normal Noivern
Tera Bug Venomoth
Tera Steel Cetitan +Heavy Slam
Tera Grass Tangrowth
Tera Dark Donphan on Sand teams
Tera Flying Shedinja
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>>51149218
>Doubles are fun
As a side distraction. Doubles lacks a lot of options that singles provides, and the lack of tiers in VGC means that the meta has centralized super hard with 99% of Pokemon never being seen because they can't handle Kyogre, Groudon, Regieleki, Rillaboom, Zacian, Grimmsnarl, Incelroar, and whatever other top threat is around at the time.
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>>51143504
of course
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>>51146433
>>51145230
Why isn’t Zeraora dead after Regieleki was released? Furfags just can’t let him go
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>>51150617
It's a big tier
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>>51150649
It's still the only good physical Electric attacker. Regieleki just cannot compete with Plasma Fists. Also it has actual coverage, like Grass Knot, that let it blow past Ground types that completely wall Regieleki.
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>>51150649
Zeraora counters Regieleki
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>>51143504
Laughed at every single one. Baneposting is true high art.
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>>51150828
Someone get this hothead out of here
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>>51146433
>Ghost Lead
>Demystify Feast
>Ore From the Age of the Gods
>Banditry Technology
clever



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