Young Sakuragi Edition>Livestream link (Fridays @ 9:55 AM UTC):https://mov3.co/tvtokyohttps://www.twitch.tv/pokekalos>Latest episode:https://nyaa.si/view/1562042 (1080p)https://nyaa.si/view/1562041 (720p)Next episode:>PM2019 121 - The Climax Begins: Satoshi's Masters Tournament Experience!! (August 12th)https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pocketmonster/episodes/Future episodes:>PM2019 122 - The Semifinals I: Sweep (August 26th)>PM2019 123 - The Semifinals II: Dazzle (September 2nd)>PM2019 124 - The Semifinals III: Valor (September 9th)> PM2019 125 - The Semifinals IV: Battle (September 16th)>Upcoming episodes previews:https://twitter.com/anipoke_PR/status/1530133209450958848https://twitter.com/anipoke_PR/status/1535206641410654210>Summaries, voice cast, etc.:https://pastebin.com/pRWCDSsU>Previous episodes:https://pastebin.com/CGSd907r>Pokémon Twilight Wings, PokéToons, Pokémon Evolutions, and Hisuian Snow subs:https://pastebin.com/gkJSXkbL>Movies:https://pastebin.com/aftNceDW>M23: Cocohttps://nyaa.si/view/1418317 (1080p)https://nyaa.si/view/1418316 (720p)>Specials and Audio Dramas:https://pastebin.com/BM8SC2zU>Music, manga, and more:https://pastebin.com/gXfZtrrJPrevious: >>51138767
What killed Poiémon movies?
>>51142843Tetsuo Yajima, XY movies, and moving to AU
There's a lot of people hating on Koharu on twitter and forums recently. I don't think she deserves it.
>>51142843Wasn't it unironically Yajima?
>>51142854I find it hard to hate her since she's barely a character, I just don't care either way.>>51142852>>51142857What the fuck did he do? qrd?
>>51142854She is by far the worst pokegirl
>>51142894Maybe so, but she's not a full fledged main character either way so it doesn't matter.
Which car model is Koharu riding in, fellow Anons?a) Mazda 3 Hatchbackb) Honda Jazz Hybridc) MINI Electricd) Perodua Kelisae) Nissan Note e-POWER
>>51142891he directed m21 and m23 and went rogue in m23 like he usually does, mentioning ash's father etc. not to mention it was a bad movie
What the fuck is his problem?
Ash is TrAsh
On one hand, it doesn't feel like PM Ash deserves to win this tournament. On the other, they have absolutely built up the expectation that Ash WILL win it, so if they make Leon lose it will also be a bad writing choice for them.So we're getting either the most underwhelming victory in the anime or yet another anticlimatic loss.
>>51142984The writers have written themselves into a hole. No outcome will feel satisfying.
Are you ready for credible leakers to spoil the results of Ash vs Leon and for it to be shoved down your throat by /padt/?Imagine if we had this for Ash vs Alan
>>51142984>so if they make Leon lose it willFuck, meant "if they make Leon defeat him"
Ash x Dawnsee you in pokespain
>>51142947Shut up Koharu
>>51142945He wants to be near her feet all the time.
>>51142854>There's a lot of people hating on Koharu on twitter and forums recently. I don't think she deserves it.We could've had more PWC training/battle episodes and PM missions. She deserves the hate when Ash/Goh's story arcs suffered because of her pointless crap that went nowhere.
Is it true that these recaps and shitty episodes are happening because of covid outbreaks at OLM? I thought the series was produced months in advance, are we just now seeing the impacts of an outbreak that happened a few months ago?
>>51143111Most likely it's due to production problems due to writing the early SV eps an animating everything.Clip shows, multiple breaks, etc. would not be happening otherwise. It's very unusual since no other series in its last year seemed to have these problems.
>>51142843Ironically, because They moved away from Kanto. Movie 20 and 22 did really well because Gen 1 nostalgia is still a thing. Movie 21 was Gen 2 shilling, but Johto doesn't have the pull Kanto does. Movie 23 focused on Poke Tarizan and some throwaway gen 8 mythical Pokemon.
>>51143121I've seen people saying it on twitter and youtube comments, they might just be making up bullshit to defend PM
>>51142984Pretty much, PM Ash has been underwhelming throughout this Series.
There's a lot of kids/teens on twitter who have no idea how anime production works, so they're sitting here butt-hurt about clip shows or whatever not realizing they're intended to be breaks for the animators/writers.
>>51142928Is yajima the padt boogeyman? Can we blame everything bad with the series on him?
>>51143180There are plenty of people like that here too. Plus, these are the first clip shows we've gotten since DP so I understand why people are upset about it
>>51143189Also remember the AG and DP clipshows were never dubbed, so all these younger fans probably had no idea they existed since they didn't watch the Japanese eps at the time.
it's not like the animation has been spectacular
>>51143188it's reasonable to assume the budget cuts are as a result of how bw and xy flopped. yajima had major roles in both. they also destroyed interest and made many leave the fandom.
>>51143180It doesn't help that the biggest voices of the online fandom (Moot,Gryhon, Raf etc.) are pushing this and don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
>>51143153Movie 20 was a ratings bomb:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AthQ5ZSHVx4Movie 22:https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pokemon_the_movie_mewtwo_strikes_back_evolution (Bombed in theaters, just like M01, has an even *lower* rating than M01 on imdb, higher on RT but still a bomb fail nonetheless, and has less users who liked it than M01 on Google)Kanto nostalgia pandering fails when you (a) in M20, have TPCI replace Japanese OST 4Kids kept in the 1998-2006 Era dub, have no Brock or Misty in either version, and use the current dub VA cast on older characters with much worse VO performances, and (b) in M22, CGI it up, still have the very subpar 2007-present dub VA cast, and the dub couldn't decide whether to copy 4Kids or the Japanese version of it, creating a Movie fans of neither would like and a mess.M21 & 23 are the way to go, stop pandering to people who would eat up shit even if it's shit. Gen I but instead butchering childhoods is not the way to go.
>>51143211The entire budget went into the Lillie episode. Though to be fair, that WAS by far the best episode of this entire show, despite the needless presence of the autism trio.
M21 is the best Pokemon movie and it's not even close.
>>51143238yajima didn't storyboard it like he did m23
So the top 3 in the M8 are CLEARLY - Ash, Cynthia, Leon (with Gmax) - their exact order will be determined by the last 2 battles (semi + final)-after that there is a gapthen the remaining 4 champions-then gapthen AlainHow are the mid 4 ranked?
>>51143220Moot why do you push this negatvity on twitter? I'm sure you know good and well the production issues going behind the scenes is why the clip-shows, outsourced animation, etc. is happening. Instead people on twitter are going nuts based on misinformed stuff and not knowing how anime production works.I also agree Zac and Raf and those other big youtubers are just as bad.
>>51143231Movie 20 did better then movie 21 at the box offices. In Japan, it did better then the all of the XY movies and it did better then movie 21 and 23. The TPCI dub being shit doesn't mean squat to most people. The CGI Mewtwo movie was the most popular anime movie on netflix in 2020. https://www.otakuintown.com/post/pok%C3%A9mon-mewtwo-strikes-back-evolution-is-the-most-watched-anime-on-netflix-india
>>51143285None of them actually know what the fuck they are talking about. It wouldn't be an issue if they were influential voices online.
>>51143233Eh the animation was very nice but the plot was ok, I prefer the Volkner battle
>>51143278>How are the mid 4 ranked?I'd say>Steven>Lance>Iris>DianthaThe Lance vs Diantha battle and her getting swept in the upcoming Leon battle serve to prove that she was probably the weakest Champion and only won because of type advantage and catching Lance off guard with her strategies. I wouldn't be surprised if Iris has the raw power to take her down but I could also see her go down to similar strats as Lance did, so I wouldn't argue if anyone said Diantha > Iris.
>>51143278Diantha > Lance > Alain > Steven = IrisSteven's Metagross was embarrassing and didn't get a single win.
>>51143294In Netflix India, sure, but in the in the US it was a ratings fail with M22 as was M20 just like the other two.It does mean shit enough that a ton of the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes were talking about "poor voice acting," "James' voice," and surprisingly, some dub stans actually liked the OG dub soundtrack for it (considering M01 was the worst Movie dub in the 4Kids Era, says a lot).I prefer the current Era to be its own thing, trying to be something it's not and never will be will only appeal to the lowest common denominator long term.
>>51143345Diantha is not weaker than Iris or Lance, stop
>>51143278Diantha > Lance > Iris > Steven
>>51143231"I choose you" did very well in Japan better than all the xy movies, "koko", and "power of us". did you expect it not to? it had THE shillmon in it Piplup and Lucario
>>51143374I think it should've been Diantha > Lance > Alain > Iris > Steven
ash is beating leon and steven barely lost to ash
>>51142894Thats not Serena>whole character revolves around romantic feelings>can't even win half assed contests>goes to other regions and ruins their contests by making them half assed too
>>51143401>steven barely lost to ashAsh controlled that match. What the fuck are you talking about? It was over for Steven the moment Fishous Rend connected and if Ash didn't stall and used z-move immediately Megagross wouldn't get his free hits.
>>51143382>LanceIf she was stronger then the battle wouldn't have been so close, especially with her huge type advantage.>IrisIris's Excadrill, her original partner would OHKO M Gardie.
>>51143377It did well in the US. The dub sucks, but it is not really a hang up for people when it comes to nostalgia films like movie 22.https://www.cbr.com/netflixs-anime-audience-more-than-doubled-in-2020/Who cares about reviews? The barometer is money. Movie 20 (and movie 22) did well financially even though they weren't very good. At the end of the day, that is all TPC cares about.
>>51143410>goes to other regions and ruins their contests by making them half assed tooThis, the entire post, actually, but primarily this.
>>51143278DianthaLanceAlain Steven Iris
>>51143374>>51143400>>51143436>Alain>in front of anyone from the M8Source???
>>51143278>Ash, Cynthia, Leon (with Gmax)Cynthia fags are delusional lol.
>>51143374Speaking of Steven's Metagross. How come it got shafted so hard we barely say it in action?
>>51143448>Source???The ranking, retard.
>>51143395I expected it to, but without pining for the past goggles on, you can tell how bad a film it really is.That said, I Choose You is the better remake than the MSB-Evolution: I think both are garbage personally, but the former tries harder to at least be its own AU thing.M21 was the most fresh of the bunch, desu.
>>51143452>Ash barely beats Cynthia, takes him 3 full episodes>Ash barely beats Leon?Thats assuming Ash doesnt lose to Cynthia (dont think he will, but chance is above 0%)Leon fighting Ash/Cynthia outside of Galar is another can of worms that we wont open right now
>>51143448Leon would curbstomp Steven harder than Alain.
I think it will be funny if Ash struggles more to beat Cynthia than he does Leon.
>>51143475Steven's Megaross literally tanked Alain's Zard's strongest move. Try harder.
>>51143471We already know Leon > Cynthia. This outside of Galar crap is just head canon by you guys butthurt about the narrative PM is pushing.
>>51143471>Leon fighting Ash/Cynthia outside of Galar is another can of worms that we wont open right nowWe tiptoe around this subject...
>>51143499How many pokemon Metagross defeated?
>>51143429That's the problem, why the dub went to Netflix and bombed off TV is because that's all TPC cares about: money.Quality suffered. Yes, the show is an ad for the games, but it still lost popularity for a reason over time and not just the repetition.It says a lot people overlayed the 1999 dub over it on YouTube and it sounded better than the 2020 dub to most, though, doesn't it? And the 1998 dub was the most rewritten thing at the time, it did much better in the US than MSB-E and it still doesn't hold up today just like M22 doesn't.
>>51143499Metagross can't take down MCX either.
>>51143513We'll see if he can beat Ash and then we will know where he stands. Maybe he is only Cynthias equal at best (and thats with Gmax)Seeing as how previous ranks dont mean shit
>>51143530Metagross losing to the combined effort of two of the future no.1 Champion's pokemon, including his ace, is more evidence for Steven >> Alain than anything you can headcanon about Alain.
>>51143545>We'll see if he can beat Ash and then we will know where he stands.Knows where he stands lol. He is going to btfo'd Diantha who is much better then Iris, who gave Cynthia a good match. I hate how they portray Leon as above everyone, but it is obvious it is him then everyone else.
>>51143554Steven's Metagross can't even beat Dracovish, Ash's non-ace pokemon and spent most of the match in the bench.
>>51143377Who the fuck cares about the US? These movies are made for Japan, that's why they get heavily marketed theatrical releases there but just quiet drops on streaming services as if they're TV specials elsewhere.
>>51143554And Alain beat the future No.1. Who did Steven and Metagross beat?
>>51142854I like her, Koharu seems to me a kind and realistic character
>>51143576Not just Ameristan, the Western World, the popularity is in free fall for the dub here and in English speaking countries. How Pokemon is perceived in the West affects its International selling point save the games.Pokemon is obviously best in Japanese, in any format, but just saying- the impression hurts here.
>>51143563Iris and Diantha are entirely irrelevant compared to the top 3 (Ash Leon Cynthia). If he doesnt beat Ash, then he is ~the same level as Cynthia, and you're just in hard cope modeAnd without GMax/powerspot he is weaker than both Ash & Cynthia>Diantha who is much better then IrisheadcanonAnyway, the question was about ranking the other 5
>>51143582>And Alain beat the future No.1.XY Ash and jobberfrog were E4 level at best
>>51143571>spent most of the match in the benchYeah, when he realized Ash had a strat to counter his main mon he decided to save him for last when all of his other pokemon weaken all of Ash's. It was a good plan and the only reason it didn't work is because he had no way of knowing the Z-move could be redirected and I wager would have won if he kept his distance and continued to dodge.>>51143582>And Alain beat the future No.1.JN Ash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XY Ash
>>51143606Not really. The anime played a huge role in Pokemania back in the day. However, these days the driving force for Pokemon is GO.
>>51143606Most westfags think Mewtwo Returns is a movie. The distinction between movie and TV special mostly doesn't exist in the western fandom, to them a movie is "an episode that's a bit longer and can be skipped without it influencing the plot". They never see the actual marketing these things get and a lot of them probably have no idea they were intended for theaters to begin with.
>>51143613Saying Dianthia is better then Iris is headcanon. But Leon being weaker then Ash/Cynthia without gmax isn't? Lol fuck off Cynthia fag.
Alian's metagross looked better than Steven's
>>51143606>>51143630I'm sure most western Pokemon Go players think the anime ended over 20 years ago.
>>51143638>But Leon being weaker then Ash/Cynthia without gmax isn't?He will obviously need his Gmax to be able to give Ash a close fight (regardless if he wins or not)Outside Galar he becomes weaker, while Ash/Cynthia lose nothing (especially Cynthia, since 1 of Ashes gimmicks at least needs a powerspot). GMax is a HUGE boostAre you in denial? Lol go complain to OLM why they didnt give him a Mega
>>51143629Steven knew he fucked up when Fishous Rend hit Metagross FIRST despite being faster than Vish so he withdrew it because Dracovish is tougher than it looks and even if he hypothetically beat Dracovish Metagross would be too tired to keep up and lose to Gengar.Zero wins.
>>51143629Ash handicapped himself>>51143418
>>51143671I love when Cynthiafags just ignore the show. Leon dusted Alain' with just base Zard and he also beat Flint fairly easy without any gimmicks. I am sorry they aren't treating your waifu as the strongest battler in the series, she will just have to settle for being second (and later third....)
>>51143688>Ash handicapped himself>>51143418He didn't want the battle between the Champion's aces to end too quickly. Probably picked it up from watching Leon.
She wonGet over it
>>51143701>Alain>Flint>E4 tiersyeah you're in denial, or just ultra-retarded
>>51143621>>51143629XY was only 2 series ago. At least Alain beat the protagonist of the show and we saw him officially win while Steven and his Metagross beat nobody but Team Plasma Grunts. His Charizard also beat one of Leon's pokemon while Steven's Metagross got shafted and didn't get a single win.
>>51143722>in denial, or just ultra-retardedAll Leonfags here are
>>51143722Leon beat Flint quicker then Cynthia did.
>>51143701Show me when Monkeon beat Cynthia, Yeah never
>>51143676>Steven knew he fucked up when Fishous Rend hit Metagross FIRST despite being faster than VishThat's because Ash knew what Steven was up to and order the attack first, and that's literally how it works in the anime.>even if he hypothetically beat Dracovish Metagross would be too tired to keep up and lose to Gengar.Yeah, that's kinda the point of him saving it for the end when all of Ash mons were revealed and KO'd or tired.
>>51143738False, his battle vs Flint asted longer - there were cut outs of unknown timeframe while the scene switched back to Ash several times. Flint held out a decent amount of time vs him (and certainly way longer than Alain kek)Regardless, if he doesnt beat Ash, then he will only be ~Cynthias tier (and weaker outside of Galar, which you hate to hear)So just wait for the PWC to end instead of chimping out now
>>51143728>At least Alain beat the protagonist of the showAnon, have you seen that battle recently? beating the Ash that battled Alain in the finals of the Kalos league REALLY isn't an accomplishment.>His Charizard also beat one of Leon's pokemon>H-he beat and already damaged Rillaboom with a stab super effective move. T-that proves he's stronger than StevenFuck, the cope is real.
i genuinely can't believe you fags are using a clip of cynthia vs flint from 12 years ago as an argument. padt is so fucking retarded
>Steven: Leon won 2-0 because he sent out Charizard as his second Pokémon, so all I have to do is send Metagross first and sweep, right?>Dracovish: nothin personnel
Why are they going all out on the second semi-final?Cynthia shilling or a deeper motive/twist?
>>51143497Rica is a girl, anon.
>>51143645Yeah, not really, the driving force is the games. No one watches the Anime in the West anymore except Zoomers, and diehards>>51143632True, that's a problem too.
>>51142829>Leakers say Ash is already sweating against Cynthia in JN122 PVI see mommy is milking him dry from the get go.
>>51143752>That's because Ash knew what Steven was up toIt's part of the game, Ash outplayed him and Metagross took heavy damage from the very beginning Steven had to switch it. Not Ash's fault he saw right through him. Diantha also did something like Ash when she predicted Lance would do a risky attack to clutch a win after d-max ends and countered him.
>>51143825Cynthia shilling, obviously.
>>51142984>On one hand, it doesn't feel like PM Ash deserves to win this tournamentOn what basis? This is the strongest version of Ash with Pokémon who have all trained with his previous Pokémon along with mastering all three gimmicks. He’s literally at the top of his game.
>>51143838>mommy is milking him drygiwtwm
>>51143794I can't believe people unironically come here to have fucking power scaling arguments. In POKEMON. A series where luck, quick-thinking, and emotions are always better than raw strength. Seriously, god bless the people who make relevant shitposts about Ash and Goh abusing Sakuragi for cash and Yamper wanting Koharu's feet. At least that shit's funny, I don't know what the point of this ____ is so much stronger than _____ shit. It's fucking gay.
>>51143791>beating the Ash that battled Alain in the finals of the Kalos league REALLY isn't an accomplishmentBecause of Alain Ash won Alola and will win PWC as well.>the cope is realAt least Alain and his zard officially beat something and got a win. Who did Steven and his jobbergross beat? None.Looks like you're the one who's coping.
>>51143040I hope not. I hate gryphon, I think he’s the biggest faggot in the community and the fact that he has the power to spoil episodes for everyone sucks. His ego makes him a total loser and I totally expect him and Taiwan to pulling that bullshit. It sucks too. Taiwan used to be such a cool guy, a family guy who just posted Pokémon shit from the magazines back during XY. Nothing more Nothing less just like Karubii. Now because of clout he’s just another attention whoring twitterfag.And everyone hates Moot except that schizo KenzeyEevee who sucks Moot’s dick off like he gets paid for it. In general I just hate what leakerfags have done to this community. It used to be so comfy and will never be the same.
>>51143842>Ash outplayed him and Metagross took heavy damage from the very beginning Steven had to switch it. Not Ash's fault he saw right through him.Of course, but Steven switching Gross out and saving him for the end was the objectively best decision on his part because it had the speed and calculating power to dodge the 10MVT and the only reason it still got hit was because Steven got ahead of himself and went for the attack instead of keeping his distance and continuing to dodge.In the end, Steven lost to himself more than he did to Ash.
>>51143871Shonentards ruined the series.
>>51143893>In general I just hate what leakerfags have done to this community. It used to be so comfy and will never be the same.PM including all regions, old characters, and the PWC brought out all the clout chasers. It is tiresome and it almost makes me wished we had just gotten a reboot.
>>51143233So Lillie is the cause of all the production problems and every episode needing at least 8 animation directors? Based
>>51143900People who think that Pokemon is a plot-driven, battle centric series need to be rounded up and shot in the back of their empty heads.
>>51143885>Because of Alain Ash won Alola and will win PWC as well.How the fuck is the relevant in the Alain vs Steven discussion? Also, big IF on that last part.>At least Alain and his zard officially beat something and got a winAnon if you think beating a mon with one foot in the grave is a bigger feat than tanking a Strong Jaw Fishous Rend and the Pika Z-move and still surviving, then I don't know what to tell you. Actually, think of it this way, Steven's Gross could have won against the Vish but Steven knew that would cause his main mon to needlessly suffer damage in doing so, so he saved him for the last battle, it's the reason why Steven saw all three of his opponent's mons while Alain didn't.
Lance lost two fucking times and Alain lost without even taking out more than one Pokémon. They are clearly the worst members of the Masters 8
>>51143893All of that Taiwan guy's "leaks" are the same magazine stuff we've always got. He doesn't know anything anyone else doesn't. People just suck his dick because they live on twitter and he's usually the first to post news he finds elsewhere there.
>>51143278Ash >= Leon > Cynthia = Diantha > Steven >= Lance > Iris = Alain
Reminder that Champion >>> non-Champion.
>>51143959>Cynthia = Dianthakek
>>51143964Kek, fucking jobber kween should be last in the ranking.
>>51143964yes, they both suck.
>>51143278-assuming Ash wins:Ash >= Cynthia/Leon > Steven > Lance ~ Diantha ~ Iris > AlainLeon outside of Galar is weaker than Steven, but might still be stronger than Diantha
>>51143995Based accurate Cynthiafag
Reminder that Koharu's arc is based and better executed than Goh's
I see people are overrating Steven, even though him and his Metagross haven't beat anyone.
>>51143945>Actually, think of it this way, Steven's Gross could have won against the VishIt can't and was losing to Vish after FR hits. >Anon if you think beating a monCharizard got a win unlike Metagross.>it's the reason why Steven saw all three of his opponent's mons while Alain didn'tThe staff is just trying their hardest to save Leon's team for Ash.
>>51144015Neither has Lance and Gyarados
>>51144010And whatever the fucks Ash's story is
>>51144035>>51143986>undamaged GARchomp>>51143964>BTFOd Gardeslut
>>51144031Lance's Dragonite got a win and Gyarados lasted long enough against Leon.
>>51144015He beat Wallace
I used to support Dianthafags, but they really seem to deserve the rape that they are about to get from BBC
>>51144031>brings up Lance out of nowhereLike clockwork. They both suck, did you have a point somewhere Stevenfag?
>>51144020>It can't and was losing to VishIt got a surprise attack in and probably wouldn't get another one like that, still would have done damage, but would have gone down nonetheless.>Charizard got a win unlike Metagross.>The staff is just trying their hardest to save Leon's team for Ash.I wonder what your new cope will be when we see Leon's team vs Diantha
>>51144047Steven’s Aggron got a win and Gyarados lasted literally 2 minutes against Diantha’s Gourgeist
>>51144057>Gyarados lasted literally 2 minutes against Diantha’s GourgeistAnd Diantha explicitly said she would have been fucked if not for the screens. Diantha a jobber that almost lost with a huge type advantage.
>>51144053??? You said Steven hasnt beaten anyone and I noted that he isn’t the only one in the Masters 8. What’s the issue?
>>51144051>galar raping kalosvery historical
>>51144070Who cares, he still lost in 2 minutes when he had the type advantage, which is the same thing that happened against Leon.
>>51144049>He beat WallaceKek, so did Ash, off-screen. Why is Hoenn an even bigger jobber region than Kalos?
>>51143894>Steven switching Gross out and saving him for the endBecause he fucked up, Metagross was already half-dead or worse when he sent it out against Pikachu.>the only reason it still got hit was because Steven got ahead of himself and went for the attackHe took the risk and attack because he knew he wouldn't be able to dodge it all.
>>51144087Kek I forgot that, Steven has jobbed to Wallace before
>>51144087Ash is beating everyone so what’s your point? Iris is Unova Champion yet has no wins under her belt. Alain is a League Champion and has no wins under his belt. Lance is Kanto AND Johto Champion and has no wins under his belt. In fact Lance has lost to two different Champions, that’s much worse than anything else.
>>51144079>Who cares that Diantha won by the skin of her teeth against the supposed jobber LanceWell, at least you're upfront about being in denial about the jobber kween.
>>51144057Metagross would lose much worse to Diantha's Gourgeist if Gyarados can't beat it.
>>51144112>Diantha saying that she would’ve been fucked if she didn’t use a strategy somehow devalues the fact that Gyarados jobbed in 2 minutes with a type advantageI’m losing brain cells reading your posts
>>51143986Why is it that /padt/ always gets buck broken over the concept of a Meowth being powerful?>NOOOOOOOO TYSON'S MEOWTH CAN'T BE A POWERFUL UNEVOLVED POKEMON, IT CANT BEAT PIKACHU, NOOOOOand then>NOOOO AU!MEOWTH CAN'T BE STRONG LIKE THAT, IT SHOULD DIE DIE DIE DIE DIEWhat's the mental block here? Why can't you accept that these Meowths are strong, but clap and jiggle your little thighs together whenever Pikachu one-shots a pseudo-legendary?
>>51144087Ash beat Wallace easier than Raihan, Drasna, Marnie, Bea and Volkner. Reminder: Wallace was stronger than Steven until he got his Mega Stone, Steven beat him due to a gimmick advantage.
>>51144010The Koharu arc would have been based if they just used game characters to shill the eeveelutions. Like using Surge for Jolteon, or Sabrina for Espeon.
>>51144122Mental illness that you believe that
>>51144100>Metagross was already half-dead or worseHe was still ready to go when he got switched back in and lived the Z-nuke.>he wouldn't be able to dodge it allHe literally did tho, he only got hit because he stopped dodging because he had no idea about the redirection.
>>51144055>It got a surprise attack inWho cares Steven screwed up and that cost him the match.>I wonder what your new cope will be when we see Leon's team vs DianthaDiantha's is going to get btfo too like anyone else would because the anime is saving Leon for Ash. Leon is literally written to be Ash's ultimate prize.
>>51144136>Ash beat Wallace easier thanThe battle was off screen>Reminder: Wallace was stronger than Steven until he got his Mega Stone, Steven beat him due to a gimmick advantage.When did that happen
>>51144133Because it is NFE and fags hate NFE being strong because they primarily gamefags. They make an exception for Pikachu.
>>51144133>Cynthia cant overpower a meowth>G-guys, the meowth is just champion level and is one of the strongest non-legendries in the series. Why are Cynthiafags like this?
>>51144130Should have known you'd go back to coping.
>>51144180>no argumentWho would’ve guessed
>>51144155Yes, and btw Dragonite is Lance's ace. Done coping Stevenfag?
/padt/ hates to admit the frog is champion level huh
I have to be honest, seeing Lancefags randomly go after Stevenfags and Dianthafags is hilarious. The PwC really mind broke them.
>>51144172Watch the anime. Wallace was champion until Gen 6.
>>51144010Jokes are supposed to be funny, anon.
>>51144194It's sad really
>>51144191>Yes, and btw Dragonite is Lance's aceWhat? No he isn’t. Didn’t they say Gyarados was his ace in a recent episode?
>>51144201Steven was never said to be a champion in the anime before XY, yet you said he lost his champion title to Wallace, you are a retard.
>>51144186Holy shit what argument are you talking about? That Diantha was such a shitter that even with screens and Trick or Treat making Gyarados a Ghost-type and landing two super effective moves on it she was still shitting herself at the thought of facing it head-on.
>>51144175I'm not a Cynthiafag, if anything my question stands in opposition of Cynthiafags, you stupid bitch. My question is, WHY is it such a problem for a Meowth to be that strong? Why should it even be a surprise? It's an alternate universe, and a more competent TR, so who's to say their Meowth isn't on the power-level of Cynthia or beyond?I wouldn't give a fuck if Meowth bent Garchomp over and fucked it, it doesn't need to be explained. If the Meowth shows itself to be that strong, then that's how it is.
>>51144191>Dragonite is Lance’s aceKeep coping retard
>>51144194It's not even Conference winner tier, what the fuck are you on about?
>>51144156>He was still ready to go when he got switched back in and lived the Z-nukePika finished it off with an Iron Tail, goes to show how much damage Metagross already took.>He literally did tho he only got hit because he stopped dodgingMetagross still had the chance to dodge after attacking but it didn't because it can't.
>>51144230>yet you said he lost his champion title to Wallaceonce again, Stevenfags are illiterate. I clearly said Wallace was stronger than Steven, which is true, he was champion until XY. You're so mad that Steven is being called out that you're just putting words in other's mouths so you can fire back.
>>51144162>Steven screwed up and that cost him the matchFuck no, Steven played as optimally as he could and Ash won because he had anti-Gross training, while Steven went in practically blind.>Diantha's is going to get btfo too like anyone else would because the anime is saving Leon for AshDoesn't change the fact that they still wrote that Alain lost pathetically without even seeing Leon's third mon, while Steven did in a battle with Leon's equal.
>>51144235You’re a coping retard. Gyarados lost to Gourgeist literally in 2 minutes. You thinking that that’s insignificant because Diantha said if she didn’t use strategy she would’ve lost is embarrassing cope. She’s a Champion, why would she not use some type of strategy in her battle? Lance lost because he didn’t use strategy and just went in brute force and proceeded got dabbed on. Which is why he just recently became champion unlike the rest of the Champions in the M8. He’s literally Jobber, the Jobber Champion of the group if you will, tied with Alain for being the absolute worst fucking trainer in the Masters 8. He lost with a type advantage, TWICE. He’s a shitter and you being an angry incel about Diantha will never change that.
>>51144235>facing it head onSo instead of being a retard and going in without any plan, she created a defensive shield to protect her Pokémon, while her opponent didn’t. Do you not see how hilariously bad that looks for Lance?
>>51143995I'm not so sure about that. Alain was clearly on the losing end but his Mega Charizard could still keep pace with Steven's Mega Metagross. Comparatively Leon's Base Charizard raped Alain's Mega Charizard like a bitch.I'd argue Leon w/o GMax would still be relative to Steven.
>>51144218>>51144248>Stevenfags still can't into merch marketing 101But you know what matters the most? The actual fight and battle narrative of Masters 8. In the end Lance's ace Dragonite got a win and more screentime than Steven's Jobbergross. It was the same Dragonite who captured Red Gyarados as well.
To remember how good Pokemon battles used to be i think i'll watch the Hoenn League. Funnily enough, i never saw that League. I kind of drift away from the franchise after Johto
>>51144293>I clearly said Wallace was stronger than Steven, which is true, he was champion until XYIf he lost to Steven then he wasn’t stronger than him, retard. Your complaining about illiteracy when your take doesn’t even make sense.
>>51144259>Pika finished it off with an Iron Tail, goes to show how much damage Metagross already took.That's still the most damage any mon took in the M8.>Metagross still had the chance to dodge after attacking but it didn't because it can'tNo, it didn't dodge because it was caught off guard and couldn't predict something like redirecting a Z-move that was already fired.
>>51144327What does the characters in the episode have to do with merch marketing?
>PM126 - Go's Challenge! The Road to Mew!! (Part 1)>PM127 - Go's Challenge! The Road to Mew!! (Part 2)is this real? why isn’t in OP
>>51144295>Steven played as optimally as he could and Ash won because he had anti-Gross training, while Steven went in practically blindYour ace taking heavy damage from the very beginning sounds like a fuck up to me.>Doesn't change the fact that they still wrote that Alain lost pathetically without even seeing Leon's third monThe writers are obligated to hide Leon's team retard.
>>51144327>merch marketing 101What the hell are you talking about? If it wasn’t his ace they wouldn’t have said it was.
>>51144303Anon, I never said it was an insignificant victory because she used strategy to win, all I'm saying is that she came embarrassingly close to losing despite having the bigger type advantage and using her strategies to Lance, someone with as bad of a matchup with her as he could get and not using many strategies.
>>51144405It’s not. It was made by a fake user on a Japanese wiki.
>>51144405the cabal only uses titles from adamant, yes it’s confirmed real but adamant hasn’t posted it yet
>>51144406>Your ace taking heavy damage from the very beginning sounds like a fuck up to me.How was he supposed to plan around Ash knowing exactly what he was going to do?>The writers are obligated to hide Leon's team retard.Still doesn't change the way they deliberately chose to go about doing it and that Steven went pretty even with the new no.1 while Alain got gutted.
>>51144409>If it wasn’t his ace they wouldn’t have said it was.They would have had Gyarados be Lance's final Pokemon if it was his ace. I have no dog in this fight, but the staff obviously treated Dragonite as the stronger Pokemon. Gyarados being promoted as Lance's ace seems to be a marketing decision since Dragonite was shilled through Ash already. All and all, this could have been avoided if they weren't hellbent on giving Ash some betrayal fanfic team.
>>51144380The anime is a commercial for pokemon merchandise. What's the point of shilling Lance's Dragonite when we always get to see Ash's Dragonite? Allister doesn't have G-max Gengar, Bea doesn't have Sirfetch, and it looks like Cynthia won't have a Lucario. The writers only got the chance to make Lance's Dragonite shine in current M8 because it's 3v3.
>>51144419holy shit, bulbapedia users are so retarded kek. I was looking at dub titles when I saw that
>>51144371>If he lost to Steven then he wasn’t stronger than himI never said Wallace was stronger than Steven AFTER Steven became champion, retard. You are once again putting words into my mouth.>anon is arguing against the champion being the strongest trainer in the region. Even after Steven explicitly confirmed that in his battle.You are illiterate. Wallace was stronger than Steven until XY, as he was champion until then, its a literal fact. After Steven beat Wallace and became champion (in Gen 6), he was stronger. Whats so hard to understand?
>>51144337>To remember how good Pokemon battles used to be i think i'll watch the Hoenn LeagueHope you like 1 ep full battles and plenty of one-shots.
>>51144446Because Stevenfags keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
>>51144325>she created a defensive shield to protect her Pokémon, while her opponent didn’tFace it anon, she used cowardly tricks and ploys to get her win and didn't earn it in a true head-to-head battle with her opponent.
>>51144411>all I'm saying is that she came embarrassingly close to losingNo she didn’t, again this is you coping. She said that if she didn’t have the barriers she would’ve had a hard time, but she still had Gardevoir undamaged sitting on the sidelines at that point. Gardevoir was more than capable of sweeping the rest of Lance’s team, because now they all would’ve been at a disadvantage against it type wise. Gyarados was now Ghost-type, so it would’ve been at the leisure of Gardevoir’s Shadow Ball. She didn’t utilize any of the barriers with Gardevoir, she completely swept Lance after it entered the field.
>>51144452Ash's current team fucked over a lot of other characters. It is one reason I don't care for him having them even though I love the mons individually.
>what's wrong with the TV? Why is it only showing this dumb Eevee girl?
>>51144452If that was the case why the hell do we have THREE Dragonite’s in the tournament?
Great, the deluded Dragonitefag is in this thread too, pretending to be an armchair marketing expert again.As if the constant shitposting already in this thread isn’t bad enough
Assuming Ash's ace-in-the-hole for Cynthia is Mega Lucario, this battle is easily in his favour. Logically Dragonite and Dracovish are going to be the jobbers of the match because Multiscale and Fishious Rend become less useful the longer a fight goes on. So Sirfetch'd and Gengar should see some more use here. Pikachu will also probably be less useful because Cynthia has at least two Ground types and Ash has no hazards around the field (like water) to use on them.So Lucario, Sirfetch'd and Gengar are the keys.>GengarHas Will-O-Wisp to weaken Cynthia's pokemon over a long battle. Cursed Body enables it to disable Cynthia's moves. Dazzling Gleam can fuck up Kommo-o and Garchomp and Sludge Bomb can inflict poison. So Poison + Burn mixed with Cursed Body to disrupt and weaken her over the battle.>Sirfetch'dIs more limited overall with straight forward moves. But since they are releasing Ash's team in SwSh they have to pick an ability for him. Either he gets Steadfast to get faster every time he flinches or he gets Scrappy so he can hit Ghost types with his fighting moves. I don't think they're going to have Cynthia's Spiritomb so my money is on Steadfast. So while he's straight forward he will get faster over the battle.>LucarioThe entire reason his Lucario would be his ace is simple. Reversal. If Ash is struggling earlier on in the battle then he needs his pokemon like Gengar to weaken Cynthia over time but Reversal enables Lucario to become an insanely dangerous threat the more hits he takes without going down. Ash winning this is going to be all about a snowball effect. He needs to punish Cynthia the longer she fails to take him out. Reversal + Poison + Burn + Cursed Body can fuck her over.
>>51144445>How was he supposed to plan around Ash knowing exactly what he was going to doBy not being an overconfident retard. He didn't Mega evo Metagross immediately because he was underestimating Ash.>Still doesn't change the way they deliberately chose to go about doing it and that Steven went pretty even with the new no.1 while Alain got guttedExcept Ash is the protagonist and Leon is the final boss of this current arc whom they are saving for Ash. Totally the same thing retard.
>>51144508Unrelated to the discussion in general, but I suspect the decision to have the masters 8 be the champions was made relatively late. Ash had already been given a Dragonite by then, Iris had hers as a memorable mon and it's also too closely associated with Lance to remove, so no way out of having three Dragonites.
>>51144508Lance's Dragonite only showed up against Diantha and Iris' Dragonite easily jobbed.
>Gyarados is Lance's a.....
nom nom nom
>>51144551Lance's Dragonite got fucked over because Ash already caught a Dragonite too when he first showed up.
>>51144551Yup. Then they just decided not to promote them, which was fine for Ash and Iris since Dragonite isn't their signature. But it really fucked over Lance.
>>51144452>What's the point of shilling Lance's Dragonite when we always get to see Ash's Dragonite?So why are there so many dragonite being shown off in the M8? >Allister doesn't have G-max GengarWe didn’t get to see Allister battle at all so we don’t know if he has one or not.>Bea doesn't have SirfetchSirfetch’d isn’t even one of Bea’s main Pokémon. Her main three in the Gstar Tournament are Hawlucha, Falinks, and Machamp. >and it looks like Cynthia won't have a LucarioYet we saw Korrina’s and Gurkinn’s multiple times in JN. So again this doesn’t make any sense. Iris having Haxorus didn’t stop them from shilling Iris with Dragonite in some of the merch or posters. So Lance having Gyarados wouldn’t keep them from showing off his Dragonite. This sounds like cope.
>>51144538>Except Ash is the protagonist and Leon is the final boss of this current arc whom they are saving for AshLiterally, how does that contradict the fact that Leon shitstomped Alain while Steven had a relatively even battle with Ash? And even if Ash loses by a hair to Leon it would still be proof that Steven > Alain.
>>51144457You fucking dumbass, YOU said Wallace was stronger than Steven before XY. How the fuck would you know that if they never battled before then? When Steven first appeared he was just looking for a Fire Stone but was said to be a strong trainer, how in the world did you deduce that Wallace was stronger than him just because he was Champion and Steven wasn’t when Steven had nothing to do with the League and battling when he first debuted? >Wallace was stronger than Steven until XY, as he was champion until then, its a literal factLiteral headcanon lmao
>>51144554How does that change the fact that we have three Dragonite in the tournament when anon just said there was no point in shilling Dragonite when Lance had Gyarados. That doesn’t make much sense.
>>51144495>Gardevoir was more than capable of sweeping the rest of Lance’s team, because now they all would’ve been at a disadvantage against it type wise.Literally doesn't change the fact that it came down to if Dragonite's Hyper Beam at the end landed it would have been a loss for her despite the type advantage and all her setup before.
>>51144593>So why are there so many dragonite being shown off in the M8?Because they can't remove them. They gave Ash one, it is one of Iris's main, and it is Lance's signature.>>51144593>We didn’t get to see Allister battle at all so we don’t know if he has one or not.He doesn't show off g-max Gengar because of Ash. They anime tries to avoid overlaps when it can.>>51144593>Sirfetch’d isn’t even one of Bea’s main Pokémon. Her main three in the Gstar Tournament are Hawlucha, Falinks, and Machamp.It is her partner mon in Masters>>51144593>Yet we saw Korrina’s and Gurkinn’s multiple times in JN. So again this doesn’t make any sense.Yeah, for ME Lucario storyline. They won't have one be just a normal member of Cynthia's team while it is Ash's ace.
>>51144637we do not care about moots fagcord
>>51144659>Literally doesn't change the fact that it came down to if Dragonite's Hyper Beam at the end landed it would have been a loss for her How do you know that? She never said anything like that. The barrier comment was towards Gourgeist, not Gardevoir, who swept Lance’s team without any sort of setup.
>>51144593>So why are there so many dragonite being shown off in the M8?Lance and Iris got elimated and Ash didn't use his Dragonite in the first round.>We didn’t get to see Allister battleProbably the reason why we didn't get to see him battle in the first place.>Sirfetch’d isn’t even one of Bea’s main PokémonALL OF BEA'S IN-GAME POKEMON TEAM SHOWED UP WITH HER EXCEPT SIRFETCH'D YOU DUMBASS NIGGER.>Yet we saw Korrina’s and Gurkinn’s multiple times in JNThey were integrated to the plot because of Mega Lucario.>Iris having Haxorus didn’t stop them from shilling Iris with Dragonite in some of the merch or posters. So Lance having Gyarados wouldn’t keep them from showing off his DragoniteThat's exactly the reason why Lance's Dragonite got shafted.>This sounds like copeI'm not the one who keeps ignoring the most important thing. Lance 3v3 fight against Diantha. I bet I've been arguing with the same retarded Steventranny from yesterday. Dilate.
>>51144560Obviously Paul knows better than Lance himself
>>51144661>Because they can't remove them.So if there is three Dragonite in the tournament why would they choose to market instead Gyarados who only had 2 minutes of screentime in the tournament? Why would they call that Pokémon Lance’s ace? >He doesn't show off g-max Gengar because of Ash. They anime tries to avoid overlaps when it can.We’ve literally gotten several overlaps in this saga alone. Alain, Leon, and Ash with Charizard. Iris, Lance, and Ash with Dragonite. Ash, Korrina, and Gurrkin for Lucario. Koharu and Lana for Eevee. Volkner and Paul with Electivire. Volkner and Clemont with Luxray. Goh and Raihan with Flygon. Do I keep going?>It is her partner mon in MasterMasters =/= anime.>Yeah, for ME Lucario storylineWhat did Gurrkin’s Lucario have to do with Ash’s Lucario’s story?
>>51144685>How do you know that?Anon, in the battle with Dragonite, Gardie was being buffeted by Hail since the first turn Dragonite Dynamaxed, then got hit by a Max Strike, by the logic of M8 battles if it got git by the Hyper Beam in the end it would have been lights out like Lance planed.
>>51144560Steven fanboys are brainlets. They're just trying to save face for him and his jobbergross.
>>51144327>But you know what matters the most? The actual fight and battle narrative of Masters 8.This.
>>51142829Sakuragi-san, why didn't you tell your daughter about G-Max Eevee?
>>51144619We're just going back and forth but it doesn't the fact Steven and his Metagross have zero wins.Alain > Steven
>>51144560Surely they would’ve paired them together then instead of being the only exception in the Masters 8, right?
No matter what side you are it doesn’t change the fact that Iris and Lance lost twice in the PWC and therefore are the weakest trainers. Even Alain jobbing to Leon in 8 minutes isn’t that bad compared to them.
>>51144797doesn't change the fact*
>>51144797Steven did better against the new number 1 trainer than Alain did with the new number 2. You're full of shit if you think Charizard beating a damaged Rillaboom takes precedent over the outcome of the entire battles.
>>51144637Imagine censoring the word fag
>>51144754>So if there is three Dragonite in the tournament why would they choose to market instead Gyarados who only had 2 minutes of screentime in the tournament? Why would they call that Pokémon Lance’s ace?Because they needed something to make Lance stand out more and they couldn't use Dragonite since it was shilled heavily in the show by Ash. They wanted each M8 participants partner mon to feel unique. For example, even though Leon and Alain both of Zard, most of the merchandise with Alain is with X, while Leon usually has base Zard or G-Max. They couldn't do that with Dragonite. >>51144754>We’ve literally gotten several overlaps in this saga alone. Alain, Leon, and Ash with Charizard. Iris, Lance, and Ash with Dragonite. Ash, Korrina, and Gurrkin for Lucario. Koharu and Lana for Eevee. Volkner and Paul with Electivire. Volkner and Clemont with Luxray. Goh and Raihan with Flygon. Do I keep going?Most of these overlaps barley play a huge role in the story. Like it is easy to still show Ash's Zard because it isn' going to be relevant in the tournament. Hell, I would argue one reason they even gave Ash Dragonite was because they didn't want him to use Charizard because of Leon. >>51144754>Masters =/= anime.Sill promotion>>51144754>What did Gurrkin’s Lucario have to do with Ash’s Lucario’s story?I was talking about Korrina. Gurrkins was irrelevant.
That KenzeyEevee guy has really been spamming the hell out of serebii, I'll agree. I don't know why Adamant doesn't ban him, he adds nothing to the threads. He's now complaining Ash/Cynthia might be 3 episodes when before he was complaining it was only 1 episode. Easily the most annoying guy on serebii right now.
>>51144881Why don't you go tell Adamant that....oh wait.
Sloppy bareback homosex with Leon
Was feeling particularly autistic this evening.Any I missed or misplaced? i guess there's literally every Hisuian form or evolution.
>51144881_(Scott)I think that obnoxious Irispedo Sham is worse
>>51144842Who did Steven win against bro?
>>51144935Ash's Dracovish and Gengar. How many Champion mons did Alain take out?
>>51144896Calm down Ash
>>51144930Sham is really bad too. He's hoping Cynthia jobs because she did well against Iris, lol.
>>51144929>Gmax Cinderace and Gmax Inteleon haven't debut yet.Weird considering Go has a Dmax band since the Darkest Day arc.
>They're having Ash fight Cynthia in the anime>They're having Ash fight Red in MastersThey're really going to make him win the PWC arenh't they?
Both KenzeyEevee and Sham are still miles better then Scott. Both are annoying, but Scott is awful and Famon/ASAW tier of annoying.
>>51144971>ASAW tier of annoyingOkay, now that's going a bit overboard, don't you think?
>>51144948Getting to kick the main protag's ass is more memorable. >Ash's Dracovish and GengarNot by jobbergross lmao.
>>51144984Yeah, you are right.
>>51144971KenzeyEevee is like a kid who means well, but he's so damn annoying and repeats himself over and over jumping to the worst possible conclusion every time some new title for the anime is announced. He would be like that annoying kid in school in real life who didn't know when to shut up.
>>51144896>Giving Leon the monkeypox so he can't attend the battle and gets disqualified. Galaxy brain move.
>>51144989>Getting to kick the main protag's ass is more memorableAnd absolutely irrelevant o the conversation.>Not by jobbergross lmaoYou didn't ask about "jobbergross lmao".
Even serebii users are making fun of Moot now. Moot did you see this? LMAOhttps://forums.serebii.net/threads/containment-thread-for-leaks-of-upcoming-episodes-read-the-first-post-important.708186/page-12#post-19440193
>>51145006Sex with Leon
>>51144419The best part is that said wiki removed the titles again after a couple hours >>51144456Bulbapedo has always been a horrible shitfest filled with retards that just copy everything they find elsewhere without ever considering if it might be fake or not. I have no idea why newfags think they're a good source, old /vp/ mocked them constantly for their faggotry.
>>51145073The previous magazine showed Ash/Go implying a Project Mew mission was happening after the semi-finals, so it seems realistic enough.
>>51145073I swear someone on /vp/ made up a fake episode title that stayed on Bulbapedo for weeks too. Some Ash VS Iris title from back when it had been confirmed Iris was returning but no other details were known, including which episode it was happening in.
Loot at it this way. If it weren't for Koharu getting an Eevee, Erika and Serena wouldn't have returned.
>>51145093It didn't imply shit beyond the fact that we're not done with Project Mew yet, which is obvious.
>>51145104>Serena wouldn't have returnedI didn't believe that I could hate Koharu more than I already did, but you proved me wrong, anon.
>>51145089Replace Serena with Sylveon.
>>51145126Please don't make me hate Sylveon too, like you made me hate Dawn and Korrina.
>>51145137Why would you hate Sylveon, it's the only thing that's relevant about Serena.
>>51145160Because you want me to replace Serena with Sylveon. Simple as that.
>>51145165>replace Serena with SylveonI mean, the show did that itself, so it would only make sense here as well.
>>51145185It's just that I wanna show who gave the gifts.
>>51144567I wish Diantha would eat me, too... OOOOOHHH MAMA
>>51145195Still, thematically speaking Sylveon would be more relevant than Serena there, so...
>>51145220I don't even care, I wanna show who gave the gifts. So I'm sticking with Serena, so screw you Serena hater.
>>51144929You know I just realized since I don't really play the games anymore, the anime skipping many of those pokémon partially made me completely forget a lot of those exist.
>>51145234>I'm sticking with SerenaAnon, if you really wanted to acknowledge Serena then you would put the emphasis on the only thing of merit in Serena's entire life, Sylveon.
>>51145252Nope, sticking with Serena.
>>51145257You're making a big mistake then, anon.
>>51145262Good. Not everyone hates Serena.
Are Diantha and Leon the most popular champions according to the lore? Diantha is a famous actress while Leon is literal superstar where even Alolans knew him as well meanwhile Koharu doesn't even know who Cynthia is when they first met.
>>51145104>Loot at it this way. If it weren't for Koharu getting an Eevee, Erika and Serena wouldn't have returned.Now I hate that damned Eevee more than I did before.
>>51145272>Not everyone hates SerenaYes, that's the mistake part.
>>51144929Hatterene already appeared, was Gary's
>>51145282See, this anon gets it.
>>51145286Only because you think so.
>>51145302Is there a reason I shouldn't think so?
>>51144628>Even though Wallace was champion until XY, he wasnt the strongest>actual dumbass trying to argue the champion isnt the strongest trainer in the region, when Steven himself makes that claim.The fact that you're trying to make the claim the champion isnt the strongest when even your favorite jobber champion substantiates the claim is sad. Not surprised though, all Stevenfags can do is deflect.
>>51145312Mainly because too many people hate Serena, manly for having unrealistic expectations when everything about Serena in the anime has been already planned in advance. The romance? Already planned. The contests? Already planned. Finding what you wanna do with your life? Already planned, and this one is realistic in real life.
Ddin't Wallace tell Ash he's Steven's equal in terms of strength?
Every single time.
>>51145160Do not respond to Luis.
>>51145387It's simple. Leave Serena alone, I'll leave you all alone.
>>51145353>The romance>The nontests>Finding what you wanna do with your life way too late in the seriesAnon, those are just reasons to hate Serena.>>51145398>Leave Serena alone, I'll leave you all aloneOkay then, start hating Serena and then we'll leave her alone, deal?
>>51145370he said he can hold his own. Makes sense, Steven has the edge due to his gimmick advantage.
i love Goh!
>>51145457Replace Serena with Koharu's boyfriend, Goh
Mexicans and shitskins are awake, it seems.Threadly reminder
>>51145313Not the anon but yeah duh the champion is the strongest trainer in the region, but when we know that region has had multiple champions then the strongest one is the one who wasn’t beaten. Wallace wasn’t stronger than Steven because they hadn’t battled yet and when they eventually did Steven beat him therefore meaning Steven was actually the stronger trainer. Steven can say he is the strongest in Hoenn because there is now no other trainer in Hoenn that is capable of defeating him. It’s really not that hard to understand.
>>51144929Impidimp appeared in episode 55
>>51145500only the 3rd world like serena
>>51143152>early SV episodesThat would most probably be PM2/PM2022
>>51145042We don't care, S****