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Post pokemon that haven't gotten any modern upgrades since thier introduction. Examples:
>no cross gen evos
>no megas
>no regional variants
>no moves
>no g-max forms

I would love if starmie and staryu got some new forms or something, he's one of my favorite generation 1 mons.
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>>50792496
steel/psychic or steel/fairy starmie now!
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>>50792496
Starmie needs better abilities. Natural Cure is fine, but it should have Regenerator and Protean as its alternate abilities.
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>>50792496
I mean Starmie didn't get any major upgrade because it's so good
anyway, I'll say picrel works too
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>>50792496
>2022...i am forgotten
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does this mean mons that are untouched, are perfect as is???
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>>50792625
>tfw forgot to even post the image
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>>50792496
>no moves
Do you mean signature moves? Because Starmie has always had a great movepool
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>>50792653
Sorry I meant to type Z moves
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starmie doesn’t need any more moves. it just needs better stats
it’s movepool is great.
>surf
>scald
>hydro pump
>ice beam
>thunderbolt
>psychic
>fucking Power Gem
don’t think there’s a single water type with a more diverse movepool than starmie
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>>50792496
I am playing emerald and starmie is fine. It probably sucks in smogon because the retards let lando t and other legendaries control ou.

It has 4 coverage moves and its fast. It has a fantastic ability, and all it needs to be from sword and shield would be 5 extra points in speed and 20 in spatk. That would make it as powerful as blaze cinderace.


If i had to change starmie, i'd say water steel since thats a great type. I'd give it a new ability that intimidates special atk or sets rain.
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>>50792673
It doesn't need better stats, new stuff needs to go back to having more normal stats.
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>>50792673
>it just needs better stats
>t. mindbroken by powercreep
>>50792678
Starmie was good in every gen, pretty much
except in Gen 8, because it's Gen 8, eh
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>>50792700
Yeah i don't think starmie could fall past uu, especially with rapid spin.

Maybe they should give it water electric type so it trades psychic for thunderbolt. Then volt absorb so its like fast lanturn.
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>>no regional variants
I don't count regionals as upgrade, because the original doesn't benefit from them. Theres a reason why a Rrgional form is the form that CHARIZARD didn't get.


>>50792611
Donphan is pretty decent already. Even though it hasn't gotten any flashy like special snowflake forms or broken mechanics it has gotten decent buffs like some new moves, a respectable ability, and even the existence of Stealth Rock works in its favor. Its only due to overpowered shillmons that it isn't used more often.

>>50792637
This, and pic-related are living proof the Game Freak hates some pokemon.
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>>50792728
>i don't think starmie could fall past uu
power creep truly is something though because
>Gen 1
Starmie is in the top 6 best Pokemon in the game
>Gen 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Starmie is OU
>Gen 7
Starmie is UU (that's what you get when you let the Tapus in OU...)
>Gen 8
Starmie falls TWO tiers into NU
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I love him!
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>>50792764
The fastest way to fix smogon is getting rid of legendaries
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>>50792861
not really.
I'd say making a tier between OU and Ubers is the correct way though
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>>50792748
Always wanted him to have an evo or some buffs loved the little guy ever since I stole my cousins Gold copy with his strat guide. Him and houndoom
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>>50792637
Built to spill his milk inside a Zoro-roc's hybrid cookie
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>>50792582
I love analitic
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>>50792817
Well I guess someone should

Captcha was KYS NJ

Captcha is a Seel fan apparently
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>>50792496
Fusions
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>>50792496
I kind of like these more than the general public does. I wish they would have gotten some unique hidden ability to help make them stand out.
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>>50793908
Forgot pic
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>>50793908
Alienmons need more attention
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Good ability, shit everything else. Even if it was improved, it would basically make it about the same as the other pokemon who can do the same thing.

>>50792817
I always wanted dewgong to get Refrigerate, it would give it a niche as a Ice-type Fake Out user
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>>50792748
>Its only due to overpowered shillmons that it isn't used more often
It's mostly outclassed by Hippowdon at everything but spinning, and I wouldn't call the hippo "overpowered shillmon"
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What about abilities?
Hyper cutter can still get attack nerfs via burn, power swap and other shit. Or, it could use a rework like making it buff cutting/slashing moves.
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>>50794196
Its BST is low enough to warrant an evolution.And it learns Play Rough,so Fairy type would make sense.
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>>50795193
Everyone says fairy, I'd rather Dark/Ghost.
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>>50795193
>magikarp learns bounce so it should be a flying type
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>>50794226
Donphan also has Ice Shard for priority and Knock Off . Hippowdon might be better overall (especially as a tank), but there are reasons why someone would pick Donphan over Hippowdon.
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>>50792869
Ubers is already just a banlist.
Do you mean having a tier above OU? Functionally making it the new OU and making OU into UU?
Or do you mean having multiple Ubers tiers?
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>>50792496
>he
I usually hate coomers who call pokémon females but come on, who the fuck thinks the Staryu line are male
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>>50795689
probably its voice in the anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWuHSpPIlY
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>>50795689
aren't starfish usually genderless?
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>>50795805
IRL? I think they are herms
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>>50792611
Double speed if any terrain is active
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>>50795383
Well, that is what it becomes after it evolves, so there's that.
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>>50795193
>And it learns Play Rough,so Fairy type would make sense
PINK TYRANTRUM COVERED IN FEATHERS FUCKING NOW
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>>50795925
Shit, that actually makes sense.



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