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Since Dark type exists, why isn't there a Light/Holy type?
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we call it psychic type
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>>48203737
It should counter Dark, which Psychic can't.
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>>48203733
fight for justice
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>>48203745
Fairy does the job better
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>>48203884
I'm tired of people saying Fairy is effectively Light Type and I was already sick of hearing this repeated in 2013.

Fairy isn't FUCKING Light, Jesus christ. Fairy has a FEW moves that involve light like MANY TYPES do. It has a TENUOUS relationship with light sorta like Electric does. Fairy Type is not and has never been Light in the sense of goodness, either.

Fairy Types are "good" in the sense a little girl is good—that is to say, they are cute and innocent but don't have any mature understanding of what morality is. Fairy isn't good; Fairy is SWEET. Like Mawile is sweet, but sinister. Like Tapu Lele is sweet but has a completely fucked and twisted moral compass. Fairy Types' brand of goodness is puerile. It is NOT what Light Type would be.
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>>48203955
You're gonna keep hearing it because it's true. That's why fairy type does 2x against dark type.

Dark/bad
Fariy/good

It's that deep in this game meant for children.
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>>48203985
Fighting beats Dark because justice, yet it's beaten by Fairy. There's nothing Light on that.
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Are you replacing electric or something?
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>>48203955
you a whiny bitch

i love whiny bitches
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>>48203955
It's because in the pokemon context justice is the light. Also fighting have a sense of justice that defeat tricky shit Dark types usually do (moves, abilities...) See Unova legendary "musketeers" (what a silly name, Unova sucks anyway), all fighting type.
Fighting is light
Dark is well, darkness.

It's not that hard to understand.
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>>48203733
Explain that type chart, because it makes absolutely no sense.
>Giving Illumise and Volbeat a 4X rock weakness
I didn't think it was possible to make them even worse than they already are, but somehow you managed.
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>>48204092
Rocks are opaque, so they block illumination completely.
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>>48204166
So is steel. And the ground.
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>>48204174
Steel should reflect light instead of absorbing it.
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>>48203733
there's no need for it.
honor and justice are covered by fighting and bug, innocence and purity are covered by fairy, and literal light is split across many types.
there's simply no niche for it to fill, either thematically or in gameplay.
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>>48204005
Justice defers to Divine Authority
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>>48204288
What about the divine/hallowed aspect?
Dark is named Evil in Japanese, so there should be the Holy trope of it aswell.
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>>48204069
>>48203955
Fairy means sweet and thats an interpretation of good. If you specifically want justice, fighting type is the justice type, and they beat dark as well, so you can consider fairy and fighting two different sides of the light type coin if you want
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>>48204358
Then why the fuck is Fighting weak to Fairy?
Is it about fragile masculinity, allergy to cuteness or some other bullshit?
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You know what?

I hope they introduce a music type so we can get threads like this for sound fags.
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>>48204422
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>>48204438
Yeah, and if they introduce a music type they'd still talk about how we need a sound type.
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>>48204374
because fairy is the "innocent, sweet and cute" type (at least on the surface), and honorable fighting types would never hurt them.
and of course they don't expect to be hurt by them, which is where the weakness comes from.
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>>48204438
Since when Kommo-o got to be a special snowflake with TWO signature moves?
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>>48204454
vespiquen used to have three, it's quite arbitrary really.
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>>48204447
>people STILL try to day we need a wind/air type when that's LITERALLY what flying is
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>>48204452
this explanation is good
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>>48203733
Should not be strong against Poison
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I mean, the light type techincally exists already as grass.

You'd have to do the mental gymnastics to figure that one out though.
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>>48204580
Plants aren't made of light, hun, they just use it for fuel. Plants are made mostly of carbon from the air.
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>>48203733
>light type
>it’s just electric that also manages to encroach on fighting for no reason
we already have light meaning good and light meaning actual light
we don’t fucking need it
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18 types is enough, GF should reworks the current type chart before adding new types.
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90 percent of explanations for type advantages are fanon that everyone just kind of accepted. Basically only the advantages between elemental types have any basis in logic, and not even all of them.
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Dark type is Evil type in Japan and in Spain it is Sinister type.

Light type as a counterpart would only make sense in English
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>>48203955
Yes, Fairy = Light
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It's very clear that Psychic=Light to GF, be it via moves or most importantly the designs.
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>>48203955
How many light moves you will make until you force holy/goodness/magic onto this type? Maybe 5? Fairy does that better and it can take care of light.
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>>48204464
Flying doesn't allow Pokemon like Arcanine or Suicune be flying, and wind could.
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>>48206498
dark is associated with evil so it's not a problem
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>>48204374
because honorable warriors protect them
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It does, it's called Fairy. Sorry you're autistic, but given "Dark" is a western term fro "Aku" or "Evil", it doesn't really relate to the Japs, the originators of the media.
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>>48203733
I never really understood why people always feel the need to add a Light/Sound/Space type.
What is there to gain? And why do you need to take from the Electric-Normal-Psychic types to fill out the new type? Why can't Space be a theme of the Psychic Type?
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>>48204329
>Dark is named Evil in Japanese
It's a different kind of evil than the one you're thinking of.
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>>48206691
In theory there's nothing stopping GF from making a biped with Flying type, you're just butthurt that they didn't for Arcanine or Suicune...
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>>48206810
They don't understand that most of us already had the same ideas at one point but later realised they don't make sense to implement from a game design perspective. In other words, they're mentally handicapped.
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>>48206972
if you have to say "in theory" you already know you are wrong
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>>48206972
>what is doduo
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>>48207212
Landorus

>>48207261
A Flying type?
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>>48207285
landorus can fly
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>>48207319
Yes, and...?
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>>48207583
Have you already lost yourself in this conversation?
It doesn't prove they are willing to give flying type to pokemon like suicune that are only able to control wind and cannot fly.
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>>48207660
That wasn't my claim, you dumb baby. Learn to read.
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>>48207750
It was. You've replied to me. Learn to read.
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>>48207806
Okay, prove it.
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>>48207835
That you've replied to me?
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Not giving (you)s to any of you retards but you literally need room temp IQ to not comprehend that Flying IS Wind/Air. The important point is, in the earlier generations and still to an extent today they did not treat it as one. It wasn't until Gen V that they started to flesh Flying out, making it not simply a tag indicating if the creature is airborne or not.

Obviously Swablu for example would just be pure Flying if made today. Dragonair and Castform embody the sky but aren't Flying because they were early in the franchise. Arcanine and Suicune not being Flying isn't proof of any fucoing thing, they obviously SHOULD be and there is absolutely ZERO fucking reason why a grounded quadrupled with wind powers couldn't be Flying.

If you wanna remove Flying from the game and replace it with something else that reinvents the idea, that's different. Saying we need Wind/Air on top of it when that's literally what Flying is is inexcusably retarded

Besides Suicune's Typing is all kinds of fucked. Fucker should have been Flying/Ice.
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>>48203733
Anything unique a light type could do or be thematically already exists in some incarnation in the Normal, Fighting, Grass, Electric, Psychic, Rock, Bug, Steel and Fairy types. To create a light type now would be incredibly redundant.

Conceptually, light as EMR is already a part of the Normal, Grass and Electric types; as hard light, it is a part of the Grass, Rock, Steel and Psychic types. As a mystical or magical force it already exists as a part of the Psychic and Fairy types; and as a “holy” or “Justice” element opposed to the dark type’s evil, it already exists as a part of the Psychic, Fairy, Fighting and Bug types. There is literally nothing a light type could bring to the table that isn’t already covered by one of these other types.
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>>48207905
Suicune literally has water in its name, represents the rain that put the burned tower’s fire out, and goes around purifying dirty bodies of water. Water, Flying and Ice all fit it thematically.
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>>48206942
It's still evil. And evil is fought with divine willing, hence a Holy type should exist.
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>>48208070
Anon, "evil behavior" != "absolute evil". The former is what the Dark type represents, aka shady battle tactics.
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>>48208099
Yu-Gi-Oh! has both Light and Divine attributes to oppose Dark.
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>>48207905
Listen retard.
If flying is already wind, then why there are no wind element flying type Pokemon? No one cares how it would be named, it can stay flying.
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>>48208152
people or you do*
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>>48208152
Never played Colloseum or XD? There's Shadow type on them, which fits that purpose.
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>>48208131
what the fuck is "absolute evil"? Did these games and movies fry your brain? Being mean is the same evil as being a murderer, just smaller. There is no some "absolute black figure that embodies all the bad and wants to destroy everything". It's just lazy writing for the eDgE. All the evil of this world is what people do.
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>>48208123
I fail to see the relevance.

>>48208152
>Being mean is the same evil as being a murderer, just smaller
Do you think literal animals are capable of evil? Is it "evil" for a carnivore to murder another animal so it may eat to survive? Think about what franchise you are discussing for a minute.
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>>48208131
>then why there are no wind element flying type Pokemon

???
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>>48208169
Yes, lazy writing.

>Do you think literal animals are capable of evil?
Evil is subjective. Killing isn't evil if you kill animals when you justify it. Like huting to minimize overpopulation.
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>>48208187
like suicune, that aren't flying but control wind
keep up with the discussion
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>>48208174
Same way Fire is opposed by Water and Fightning is opposed by Psychic, there should be Light to oppose Dark. It's all about balance and symmetry.
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>>48208222
Fairy
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>>48208194
>Evil is subjective
Then there's your answer.
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>>48208222
Fire - Water
Psychic - Fighting
Flying - Ground
Dark - Fairy
Normal - Ghost

Grass - Poison
Electric - Ice
Rock - Steel
Bug - Dragon

???
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>>48208233
Are you saying evil is countered with cute, girly shit?
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>>48208204
>like suicune, that aren't flying but control wind
>no wind element flying type Pokemon

??????
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>>48208222
Dark is already opposed by several types.
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>>48208248
That evil is evil and should be opposite of divine.
ok
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>>48208254
>>48208233
Also no, Fairy is the opposition to Dragon, since both are creatures from fantasy.
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>>48208256
are you having a stoke?
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>>48208254
Spite vs Altruism
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>>48208254
Baddies calm down around cute stuff.
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>>48208266
>Evil is evil
>Evil is subjective
Pick one
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>>48208272
What you said != what you think you're saying

All Flying type Pokemon are Wind elemental.
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>>48208282
>All Flying type Pokemon are Wind elemental.
Ok? I don't care, i'm not talking about them
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>>48208284
Then form a better argument.
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>>48208279
>Evil is evil
so it's always opposite of holy/good

>Evil is subjective
because what you consider evil depends of your point of view

see? they aren't mutually exclusive
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>>48208284
I already did, just read the thread because you don't even know what we are talking about
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>>48208292
>>48208303
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>>48203733
Gamefreak are retards. Light is a broad staple type in RPGs like fire, lightning, ice, dark/shadow and so on. Nothing supplants it and nothing deserves to.
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>>48208296
Okay explain how literal animal behavior can Evil from the perspective of any divine being
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>>48208349
>Light is a broad staple type in RPGs
Show me another RPG with a Bug, Fighting or Fairy type
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>>48208303
>>48208313
???
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>>48208371
same as humans?
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>>48208388
now you're just lazy troll
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>>48208399
Animals don't practice any form of religion. Therefore they are immune to divine judgement.
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>>48208405
???
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>>48208410
>ateists are immune to god
whao what a power
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>>48208418
???
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>>48208425
Straight facts
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>>48208435
we are gods to dogs, and we judge their bad behavior
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>>48208442
Sure, if you're a shitty owner
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>>48208449
you can get bitten by someone else's dog
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>>48208454
Does God then judge the dog or the owner?
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>>48203955
based autism fairy is the opposite of ghost but there isn't the opposite of dark in the games. however the concept of "Light" pokemon has been implemented in the tcg just not as a type but rather as a nature.
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>>48208467
It's not always the owner's fault. Chihuahua is just bad.
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>>48208566
As a matter of fact, Dark started the same way in TCG- as a nature then it ended in Gen II as a new type.
Why the fuck didn't Light get the same treatment??
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>>48208582
Humans created the breed, dumbass.
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>>48208566
>fairy is the opposite of ghost
Lolwut

>>48208926
Correlation != Causation
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>>48209206
and God created humans, dumbass
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>>48209244
Prove it
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>>48209261
He doesn't exist. But we're talking hypothetically that he does so we can use analogy to define evil.
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>>48209210
it is. the japanese words for them literally means benevolent spirit (フェアリ) and hostile spirit (ゴーストタイプ). you've got to keep in mind that pokemon comes from a place where many western concepts don't apply. this has lead to many misunderstandings and translation errors in the past. the "fairy" type being one of them
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>>48209283
>But we're talking hypothetically
We don't need to use a hypothetical when "God", as it exists in Pokemon, can be caught in a ball by a child.
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>>48209341
I'm pretty sure fairy pokemon are mostyl western fairies
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>>48209341
>Headcanon
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>>48209354
we're talking about devine being that say you are bad, don't know it it applies to arceus
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>>48209368
It doesn't, which is why a "holy" type in Pokemon is retarded.
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>>48209355
bruh have you ever seen a western fairy? they sure as hell don't look like this shit except maybe the Ralts line
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>>48209413
Those look like Pokemon to me...
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>>48209366
not really in japan fairies are just another type of ghost/spirit just google Yōsei and Yaoguai
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>>48203733
ya ever play chrono trigger? lightning magic counters shadow in that game, and vice versa
although they fucked up and named it electric here so yeah
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>>48209431
Try googling "headcanon"
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>>48209445
It should be like in SMBU or Terraria, where both Light and Dark are hostile and you should annihilate both from the world.
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>>48209526
illiterate retard it's only called fairy type because some jap corporates predicted "fairy" type would sell better with them western kids than "benevolent ghost" type.
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>>48209586
[citation needed]
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Yeah guys. But what about time type? I see dialgia and celebi could have this.

What about a spectral type that does 2x damage for everything for arceus?
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Sneed type, weak or strong against Chuck type?
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>>48203733
Never forget Pokémon are demons and your obsession with the franchise is a roadblock on your path to finding God
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>>48203955
Types that do Holy Light: Fairy
Types that do Holy Justice: Fighting
Types that do Literal Light: Steel and Lightning
There is no need for a Light-type.
Sound-type fags also get the rope.
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>>48210562
Pokémon are not yokai, you imbecile.
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>>48209341
The katakana you just posted literally says fairy and ghost type, you stupid larper.
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>>48206699
And yet many of the ACTUAL darkness-related moves are shadow and are Ghost type
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>>48209341
This is the same shit as people saying Fighting translates to “Hero”
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>>48211264
It's funny when the Japanese name for the types are written in Katakana. They should have been written in Hiragana instead since they are all native Japanese words except for a few ones that are just syllabic transcription of their English names: Ghost, Fairy, Dragon and Psychic (which is called Esper, but again it's an English word).
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>>48203733
>doesn't buff ice in any way
Just add sound type already!
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>>48208384
I actually want bug element in another RPG. I like the weird elemental attributes like that.

Any other RPGs with unusual elements?
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>>48209413
Flabebe does, and carbink is a carbuncle too. I'd say klefki is a good example as well, for non humanoid ones
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>>48211898
You forgot the most obvious one.
Literally an european fairy (as in being tiny humanoids with insect wings)
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why does fairy beat dark and dragon anyways?
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>>48211883
Magical Vacation
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>>48203733
Because Dark types dosen't represent literal darkness, it's more about evil aka. pokemon who abnormally violent or fight using underhanded tactics. The Fighting type is already a parallel to this as they tend to represent justice and heroic qualities.
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>>48212056
Fairy are considered helpful/good creatures in a lot of mythology and modern media too, so they beat the bad guy with their "good" magic. Same with fairy/mystical powered stuff beating dragon antagonists too.
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>>48212256
Dark type represents both literal physical darkness as well as evil/violence/immorality/etc. Hence attacks like Night Daze or Black Hole Eclipse and Pokemon like Umbreon or Guzzlord that are explicitly themed around it.

Pokemon types are complex and can represent multiple themes, as well as overlap with eachother.
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>>48208384
Why? I never said anything about that.
Also, Fairy is a thematically shit type with no concept or relevance, it shouldn't exist.
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>>48212328
Dark Pulse too.
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>>48209366
>>48209526
It’s not headcanon, the other anon is just retarded for saying “ghosts and fairies are only the same in muh glorious nippon.”

Ghosts and fairies are the same fucking everywhere. Half the fae worldwide are just angry undead guys, look at the dullahan or the will o’ the wisp or the banshee. The lines get so blurred in mythology between vengeful spirit and fairy that they really are the same thing in many cases. Gamefreak shoulders the nastier aspects of fairies into the ghost type usually, like luring people to the afterlife or startling you in the dead of night for fun.
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>>48203733
Making new types are hard to balance and make sense of, even fairy is a bit odd. Light is cool conceptually wise, but how do you balance it in a way that it doesn't become redundant compared to other types?
Also Light should be strong and weak against Dark. Like yinyang type of stuff.
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>>48203955
fairy is the faggot type
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>>48213192
Cope
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>>48213177
They already did that with the Tao Trio.
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>>48203733
There is no light in this world.
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>>48211883
Secret of Mana has 8 elements: Water, Earth, Wind, Fire, Light, Dark, Wood and fucking Moon
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>>48203733
When will autists stop peddling this light type bullshit
Way too similar to electric and fairy, we already have an even 18 types, not to mention DARK is not the opposite of LIGHT in Pokemon.

Dark in Japanese is the evil type, it's basically just "bad" type not literal darkness.

Fairy and Fighting rival Dark because it's the traditional hero vs villain gimmick. Light type is stupid and will always be stupid.

If they're ever gonna add a new type (which they shouldn't) it should be Sound, and even that is very unecessary, it's just the only fake new type idea that isn't absolute shit
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>>48203955
I meant mechanically bro.
The actual type effectiveness of fairy moves is way better than the OP image, which would basically be a massive nerf for dark and ghost types
captcha:HOOPA
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>>48212060
>>48214659
Magical Vacation elements:

thunder (雷), ancient (古), fire (火), wind (風), poison (毒), beauty (美), blade (刃), sound (音), stone (石), insect (虫), tree (木), beast (獣), water (水), darkness (闇), light (光), and love (愛)

Can Pokemon even compete?
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Dark and fighting types should be weak to each other. Fighting types are the hero type and heroes fight honorably which puts them at a disadvantage to dirty tactics from the dark types who will do anything to get ahed. The strength of the hero's righteousness can also be tested by the the immoral path which can make them to question themselves and their goodness. But heroes are strong against the forces of darkness because they will always go down fighting and will never want to let darkness win easily.
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>>48203733
not a good proposal if you can only name 5 mons for it to go with
cyber or cosmic types are the only decent suggestions ive ever seen
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>>48204024
I wish. I wonder what they will do with the shillrat if electric dissapears.
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>>48216129
Digimon only has Data, Virus and Vaccine.
Get on top of that!
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>>48216445
Is there a romhack where everything mon and move is Normal type? I wonder how boring it would be.
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>>48203733
What is the point?

We are beyond 90s GameBoy coding. A single move can be specifically coded to have special matchups (Flying Press Freeze Dry).
OR an ability can become so common that it becomes a subtype (Dry Skin).

The main issue is that (You) thought of an ATTACK type and equated that to mean that it can also be a complete type.
No.
Most move in real life would be neutral, hence they don't make sense as a type.
Wind is neutral...
Light is neutral...
Sound is mostly neutral...
Sand is neutral...


For a type to exist it must describe a completely different SPECIES, not an ATTACK.

Fairy serves its purpose almost fine, but light wouldn't add anything.

If you are designing a new game, then I suggest that you split SPECIES types(plants, bugs, beasts, fae) from attack types(light, sound, poison, heat)
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>>48216455
Just have them all only use Struggle.
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>>48203733
Resist Light:
Fairy, Fire, Electric, Grass, Dragon
Weak to Light:
Ghost, Psychic
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>>48217451
Most types don't make sense:

Poison attacks all should be Normal+PSN or "Dark"+PSN. Then replace it with an Acid type, with -Acid, -Fire,-Fighting resistance, but weakness to +Water, +Electric.
Supereffective against Rock, Metal.


Ground should be an Ability: Arid which makes you resist Heat, but weak to Cold. Most would be Normal or Rock types. Same with Ground type attacks.

Dark being immune to Psychic? Why? Dark seems like a balance patch meant to replace the shady Ghost types, and "sinister" Poison types, with the result being a Feral+Dark fae type with nonsense matchups.
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>>48213192
8 years later and you are still THIS MAD
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>>48203955
Too be fair, most Dark-type revolve more around fighting dirty/being a dick than actual darkness. In fact, Ghost type is the more in line with elemental darkness
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>>48215790
>it's basically just "bad" type not literal darkness
Explain Dark Pulse and Night Slash then.
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>>48218314
>Dark Pulse
Generic energy attack every type has in some form
>Night Slash
Like a slash from the darkness, basically playing into the dirty tactics theme
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>>48218546
>Generic energy attack every type has in some form
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Pokémon are flawed creatures of earth. They are not holy. They are not of heaven
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>>48218690
Then why is there literaly a god?
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>>48203733
>nerfing psychic and poison
>buffing water
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>>48218717
What about this?
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>>48218749
I don't know why people include legendaries when making new types? You'd think after all the literal fairies not being retyped into fairy types would be enough to teach them a lesson.

If celebi/jirachi/victini/shaymin/etc weren't made fairy, then they're not gonna retype moletta or whatever.
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>>48218711
He's an exception
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>>48218711
Can canonically be caught in a Pokeball. Arceus is not divine, its a Pokemon, same as a Ratatta
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>>48218869
There's literally no event in the whole Pokémon history where you catch Arceus with a pokéball, you fucking retard.
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>>48218546
I know you're playing retarded but read the move's actual description.
>Dark Pulse (あくのはどう Evil Pulse )
>The user releases a horrible aura imbued with dark thoughts. This may also make the target flinch.
>Night Slash (つじぎり Crossroad Killing )
>The user slashes the target the instant an opportunity arises. Critical hits land more easily.
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>>48218994
Do you think he just magically appeared in a Pokeball?
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>>48219043
I don't see the problem here
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>>48219081
It magically hatched from an egg…
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Bump
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make a dick type, that I can use to fuck pokegirls of legal ages and above.
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>>48209616
Or could just be a "subtype" that abilities care for, just like Soundproof and the sound-based moves.
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>>48203733
Because that's retarded and dark was only shoehorned into gen 2 because they completely broke psychic types in gen 1.
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>>48221239
Wrong, they just added Dark because it was popular in TCG back then.
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>>48220458
>everyone discussing
>HURR DURR IT'S A BAIT
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>>48218749
Add Nekrozma
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>>48218749
>giving ice ANOTHER weakness
Literally why
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>>48223363
Serves them right for killing Dragon, the most based type of the game.
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>>48211817
Dude. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>48221781
[citation needed]
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>>48223425
Explain.
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>>48212040
European fairies != Tinkerbell

That kind of fairy is only one of the many fae creatures in european mythologies
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>>48226015
Faerie, pixie, sprite, whatever the fuck you call it.
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>>48223783
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Darkness_(TCG)
>The Darkness type can be seen as the "dark" or "evil" type of the game. For example, since the EX series of the TCG, Pokémon with "Dark" in their names and Pokémon belonging to Team Rocket, Aqua, or Magma would be both of their natural type and of the Darkness type. Likewise, the Darkness type is used on a number of Special Energy cards, such as Aqua Energy, Magma Energy, Dark Metal Energy, R Energy and the aforementioned Darkness Energy.
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>>48226478
Your claim:
>they just added Dark because it was popular in TCG back then

This is the claim you need to prove with a citation. Simply citing the existence of Dark Pokemon as a TCG mechanic does not mean its the reason Dark Type was added to Gen II. You need to prove causation (which you cannot because it does not exist in reality).
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