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Dragonite hug edition

>Livestream link (Fridays @ 9:55 AM UTC):
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>Latest episode
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Next episode:
>PM2019 065 - Dragon Battle! Satoshi VS Iris (May 7th)
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Future episodes:
>PM2019 066 - The White Flower Flabebe (May 14th)
>PM2019 067 - Pikachu the Suspect (May 21st)
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Old Thread: >>46992748
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Misty: Joins group > gradually falls into gym leader role do to sister negligence > fear of Gyarados is touched on several times > overcomes fear in specials > now uses Gyarados as ace. Good sensible development.

May: Joins group > didn't like Pokemon at first > gains a love for them > becomes interested in contest > does well and progressively better but comes up short > returns and shows growth but still lose and shows there is room to grow. Good development. If she returned as a Top Coordinator it would make sense because of pre established writing.

Dawn: Joins group > thinks it'll be easy to be Top Coordinator because mother > gets a reality check and loses several times > gets stronger and eventually makes it to finals but still loses to show room for growth > returns later but states still on journey to become Top Coordinator. Good development. If she returned later and was Top Coordinator it make sense.

Iris: joins group > does nothing much for nearly 40 episodes because of disobedient Pokemon > catches Emolga for reasons? > when said disobedient Pokemon becomes obedient she relies on it for nearly 90 episodes instead of using Axew > is completely incompetent for rest of series > loses to two Gym leaders at the end. Coming back as Champion of entire region makes zero sense with no build up whatsoever.

Serena: Joins cast not knowing what she wants to do (for too long) > gains interest in Pokevison > leads to performing > trains hard and eventually gets to finals against inspiration > loses but continues to train. Given she got to finals her returning as a Kalos Queen would make sense as she's already showed the potential to get there.

Why is Iris' writing so fucking awful? May, Dawn, Serena and Misty (to a lesser extent) actually had logical progression.
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Is there any way to download old episodes of the anime
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>>47014142
best wishes was crap, news at 11
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>>47014142
Iris: UNOVA CHAMPION
Everyone else: not champions
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That Cinderace and Lucario episode must have done good in Japan, since they're selling this now kek
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>>47014197
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>>47014205
which episode was this? thought I had caught up
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>>47014173
They had the same writers, how did they fuck up so bad? They could have actually written Iris well and made a convincing case for her becoming the strongest trainer in Unova. The only thing they did well was some of the rivals.

>>47014181
Iris: terrible writing
Everyone else: Decent writing
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>>47014234
Iris makes ya seethe?
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>>47014233
It's episode 48
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>>47014197
It was a cute a episode. Why couldn't any of the other Pokémon get something like that?

>>47014233
JN 47
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>>47013978
Think we'll finally get to see dracovish battle for a 2v2? Or will the literal ranking match just be a boring 1v1
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>>47014248
I wanted her to have decent writing like the other girls. Where did it all go so wrong...
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>>47014205
More cute boyfriends when
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>>47014289
It's very decent writing. It shows Ash was holding her back.
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There's a high possibility that the writing will be shitty for this episode, but there's also a high possibility for some good animation
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>>47014306
It's not decent writing at all. If it were decent writing she would have beaten both Claire and Drayden. Instead she got stomped by them. She could have easily been written to train more, but nope. Terribly written character.
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>>47014142
All I am getting from this is that May, Dawn , and Serena are really fucking generic lol. It is all variation of the same story beats.
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>>47014369
If she had good writing and it was built up properly it be no problem.
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>>47014369
This is it. The reason why everyone hates characters like Goh and Iris is because of the color of their skin most def
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>>47014390
Goh is Japanese though
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>>47014379
idk dude, felt pretty different to me
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>>47014379
Every new female companion is a variation of either Misty or May with slight alterations.
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>>47014406
Mallow and lillie definitely didn't give me misty or may vibes at all
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Hope Iris isn't a recurring character, Irisfags have really just become very annoying
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>>47014417
Mallow doesn't really fit into any previous girl trope, but a lot of anime!Lillie's story beats feel similar to the coordinator girls just without a goal.
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>>47014427
Mallow is female Brock
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>>47014390
nobody hates Mallow or Brock, and I think people would like Leon if he wasn't such a Charizard shill
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>>47014262
I think Grookey and Eevee have something similar coming coming up.

There's a shot with them walking in a street and pic related when they're with a Geodude

It gives me strong "Rowlet and Popplio get lost and have to find their way back home" vibes
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>>47014456
sarcasm anon
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Look at serebii posters asking if the anime lost anything over the years:

https://forums.serebii.net/threads/does-anyone-else-feel-like-anime-simply-lost-something-over-the-years.681429/

Half of them are reassuring themselves if the anime is still worth watching post-DP.
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>>47014406
A sort of. May wasn't really all that original. They took a lot of stuff from Ash's Kanto story and repackaged it.
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>>47014471
What's up with those scarves they're wearing?

Is this supposed to be some kind of Mystery Dungeon promotion?
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>>47014480
Yeah there was some similar stuff, but even then it was differentiated quite quickly. May didn't release Beautifly like Ash did with Butterfree, her starter became strong only after evolving, her development in Contests wasn't that similar to Season 1 Ash, etc.

I do remember people calling Drew, "Contest Gary" when he first appeared, probably due to the 4kids dub voice making him sound sort of similar to Gary, but even then his personality is developed differently quite quickly after his first appearance.
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IMO if you skip some of the shittier fillers, I think Journies is actually a good series. It's not a great series though, and it'll only become one if the next batch of eps turn things around.
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>>47014491
>>47014471
Makes me think another one of those 11 minute half episodes is coming up. Feels like it would be from an ep like those.
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>>47014426
>Irisfags have really just become very annoying
they'll be more annoying when ash beats her on friday
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Remember that Satoshit fans will get the rope first.
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>>47014301
Eventually
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>>47014534
I'm an Ash fan and want him to lose.
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>>47014417
Mallow is a Brock variant with touch of Cylan (Responsible sibling in dysfunctional family whose goal is to make people and their pokemon happy, in this case with their food)

Despite not being a big fan of Lillie, I must admit that her story is quite original and deep by the standards of pokemon anime, my only complaint would be that that part of looking for her father felt very forced, it was more interesting see her family accept their loss and move on with their lives; Gladion traveling the world and challenging leagues like Ash and Paul, Lillie training hard to become her region's first gym leader (Ice Type) and Lusamine finally burying her husband and planning to travel to the US.
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>>47014569
>it was more interesting see her family accept their loss and move on with their lives
I would agree with this if not for the tapu fini mist episode. When they realize he's alive, I don't blame them for wanting to find him, especially since magearna was able to direct them to him.
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>>47014534
Iris fans have always been the type to say "oh poor us our character is so persecuted"


>>47014566
Why do we need Ash to lose to Iris again? Let him lose to another companion or returning rival (not Gary though, as he already has a win over him with Electivire) to prop them up a bit, if he has to lose.
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>>47014477
DP should have been the last hurrah for the old formula. I like PM and the concept is fun. But the concept would have worked better in 2010. They had enough content and world building to pull it off and the cast wasn't bloated, so you could easily do multiple returns. Hell, BW sequel even introduced a World Tournament.
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I haven't watched the PM anime, how does it hold up? I keep seeing "formula" and that has me cringe.
Hanyo no Yashame recently ended and it showed just how cancerous the old stand alone MOTW formula actually is. I don't want to to back to that, it is retro in a bad way.
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If Iriswank does indeed happen, how much of that would you attribute to the popularity of her VA nowadays? For reference, the top 1 and 2 most viewed shows on Chinese streaming sites this season both have her voicing the MC.

She has been brought back on a nearly yearly basis as a guest for the Pokemon segment at Jump Festa, there have been multiple trainer NPCs in-game referencing her and she later went to become the official voice of Eevee post-LGPE on all modern Pokemon games which I think it's an honor only Ikue Otani shares.
It probably helps that she is genuinely big into Pokemon and furshit.
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>>47015103
Zero.

The IRIS WANK is happening for the same reason her design now looks alot closer to the games: the staff is trying to tie things closer to the videogames for nostalgia points, and they saw she was a champion in BW2, and decided to incorporate it
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>>47015103
>she is genuinely big into Pokemon and furshit.
Yes, and shota too. It’s very likely she ships Ash and Goh.
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>>47015103
>and furshit.
I wonder if she ships Cinderace and Lucario kek, I've heard she ships shit like Sonic and Shadow.
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I hope Iris comes back for at least one more ep, and the only way it will happen is if Ash loses. If Ash beats her she probably won't ever show up again.
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>>47015728
I jus want a wasted slot for Iris later when there can be much more interesting trainers to battle. We already have Bea taking up a slot, and I'd like to see Ash battle Raihan, Steven, Lance or Cynthia before Leon. Paul showing up would be nice too. Better than Iris again.
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>>47015754
*Don't want*
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>>47015623
She is pretty into it. She has this pet project of hers about kemono mascots based around the days of the week voiced by her female seiyuu friends she has been trying to push.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsI0oWgJItg
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>>47015754
Iris VA is too expensive to keep the long haul, I imagine she would only get one more episode at most if Ash loses here...so just for the rematch.
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>>47015548
>https://youtu.be/eL0Tim6ZRTI
>"80% of Japanese girls" are into shota
Bros, is this true? Is that why Journeys is pushing Ash x Goh?
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>>47015900
Maybe, it's one of the reasons stuff like HunterxHunter, My Hero and Demon Slayer are popular.
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>>47015623
Don't know about Cinderace and Lucario but she does (probably) ship Inteleon/Toxtricity

https://twitter.com/staff_aoi/status/1211462964298969088?s=19
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>>47016003
She also likes Luxray. So yeah most definitely a furry

https://twitter.com/staff_aoi/status/1279282299750633474?s=19
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>>47013978
Cute chocololi in a big frilly dress
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From august to november
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>>47016342
Leakbro?
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Do you really think Journies would give Dawn a 9-ep cameo again when all cameos so far have just been 1 episode?
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>>47016375
They want promote DP remakes and PLA so hard
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>>47016400
Still have a hard time seeing it. I get the feeling if Dawn appears we'll be lucky if she gets a 2-parter at most.
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>>47016342
Why the hell is Dawn so lewd?

Her leg position is the only keeping her panties from being exposed
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>>47016405
having a pokemon so popular as piplup is a great advantage i think
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>>47016425
Only Cynthia can see Dawn's private places.
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Mallow/Lana were in the background of the opening too much like Infernape was. At first I thought it was just showing them back there since they already appeared, but oddly enough Kiawe/Sophocles aren't in the opening at all.

I wonder if Lana/Mallow could travel together somewhere outside of Alola and Ash would meet up with them.
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>>47015548
>>47015900
Somehow I'm not even surprised about this.
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Coco releases next month on DVD right?
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>>47015900
I’ve known weeb girls who are into it. Most don’t explicitly tell you they like the lewds but they 100% do look for nsfw art at some point. It’s pretty much the same as lolifags.
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>>47015900
>Is that why Journeys is pushing Ash x Goh?
Just as delusional as Serenafags or I guess any waifufag but with the added bonus of being an actual faggot
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1 more day until Irisfags are btfo
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>>47014142
>>47014181
Iris isn't champion though she's just wearing the dress. The corocoro preview described her as "Aiming to become Dragon master" not a champion. Irisfags BTFO!
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>>47017190
Pretty sure the preview blurb said she was. Sorry anon, I know...it's shit.
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>>47016003
>>47016094
>her entire media timeline is pictures of her cat and drawings of furries
Bros...... what does it mean.....
https://twitter.com/staff_aoi/status/1370903192343437314?s=19
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>>47017290
You're mistaken
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>>47017290
Why do you pretend anything in the ashnime post XYZ wasn't shit writing wise? (except for the AU Yajima movies, they're not really part of the anime so they don't count)
SM, PM2019, none of them make any sense in the overarching narrative. They feel like filler season, frankly speaking. That doesn't make them "bad" per se, no, they're fun in their own way. It's a kids show goddamnit. Enjoy the moment.
Stop overthinking it and enjoy the ashnime for what it is, this isn't some Serial Experiments Lain tier show.
Iris being a Champion is good since it's actually an indicator of potential progress for the characters. I bet you'd want all of Ash's companions to be stuck in a static condition like Tracey if you were in charge, no thanks
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>>47017190
>Iris isn't champion though she's just wearing the dress. The corocoro preview described her as "Aiming to become Dragon master" not a champion. Irisfags BTFO!
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>>47017463
BASED!
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>>47017463
Champion of dragons, not an actual champion.
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>>47017492
dephender stop
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>>47017492
Uh, actually it's "イッシュ地方のチャンピオン". "Unova Region Champion". 100% confirmation.
Congratulations, Iris!
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>>47017549
thank you dephender
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>>47017463
So she still didn’t evolve her gible and she got a goodra? They did Ash dirty by giving her goodra and taking his away.
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>>47017636
I thought Dephender was denying that she was a champion. Has he apologized yet?
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>>47017803
Gible not evolving is a stupid idea powerscaling wise but I can see why they did it - the kids need a "cutemon" to latch onto to sell merch, you can even see that "chibi" look the Gible has on the pic.
I really hope they give Iris at least Lapras, Highdragon and Haxorus though
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>>47017803
Why do Ashfags take everything as an attack on him. Holy shit he has a Dragonite/Gengar/Lucario this saga. Get over it already. I thought you all hated Goodra for jobbing and Gible for not evolving or reappearing ever again.
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>>47017463
When I see Iris's legs, something happens to me.
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>>47017190
>>47017492
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>>47016540
No, she can't, /u/tard.
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Testing if the word jobbed gets auto-detected as spam
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There is no way Ash wins now. Iris will be top 8
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>>47017991
Damn. Ngl, Iris’s Dragons are looking fucking stacked if she has Haxorus.
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>>47017840
I personally love both Gible and Gabite since they had very interesting showings in the anime. Never liked Garchomp too much though.
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>>47017826
>Dephender
>apologizing
Lol
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If that useless runt Iris is champion then power scaling in this show is now as out of wack as in DBZ
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Ash could easily have been a champion of all regions if he had focused on training just six Pokémon instead of catching more and more
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>>47017463
>beating Unova E4 and Alder with a Gible
It's good to see a protagonist actually get good. I've no idea why Ash waited until Alola to get good though.
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>>47018306
Yup. It is his own fault.
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Iris remains undefeated against Ash

>b-but krookodile
Dragonite didn’t obey Iris so it doesn’t count.
>b-but charizard
Battle was stopped by N. Iris wasn’t defeated.
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Look I'm not going to question the powerscaling of fucking pokemon if the writers took that shit seriously Pikachu should've been one shotting everything since unova.

I don't care who wins but I going against the supposed leak and say Iris will probably win
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>>47014142
There was a earthquake on Japan. Like a big one
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>>47017549
>Unova
Not an accurate translation.
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>>47018438
>Dragonite didn’t obey Iris so it doesn’t count.
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>Alder lost to a Gible
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>>47018503
yep
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Obviously they gave Iris 6 pokemon because she will be in the top 8
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>>47018525
Gible is a high test mon. There's no shame in losing to one.
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when does the episode air?
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>>47018306
Pretty much, I never understood why people seethe so much when he goes and loses to some other trainer on another region, as if they would have defeated him with a Pokémon League-tier team, unless Pikachu is the one fighting and jobs (happens surprisingly often and the rage is justified), no reason to think Ash is a worse trainer than the one he lost to on the next region, I'm pretty sure he would sweep his way to Master Ball rank if he used his Alola team
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How does this make you feel, /padt/?
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>>47018564
Literally who?
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>>47018576
Fairly prominent anipoke youtuber with 40k subs
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>Dragonite
>Excadrill
>Emolga
>Gible
>Goodra
>Haxorus
This is a champion team
You rike?
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Iris having a Goodra is honestly boring compared to any other dragon pokemon they could have given her, but if it means Ash's Goodra will return eventually to fight it too, then I'll be fine with it.
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Kinda expecting Ash to lose now. If they are hyping Iris up with a lot of pokemon it doesn't make sense if she's just one and done.
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>>47018672
Would have preferred her to have more dragon-types of her own region but w/e, it works
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Think about it if Ash loses here, maybe they'll have a 3 on 3 with parallel Pokemon

Dragonite vs. Dragonite
Gible vs Gible
Goodra vs Goodra

Kinda ironic we know Ash's old pokemon are being revisited soon and now they're setting up parallel's with Ash and Iris' dragons
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>>47018700

Nah, Ash wins.
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>>47018761
If they are giving Iris so many new pokemon what would be the point? Once Ash beats her we probably won't see her again.
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>>47018700
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I'm glad they also acknowledged Claire even if she'll only appear in that one screen, so she finally did beat her after losing to her in the BW special.
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>>47018778
I agree with this anon. It doesn’t really make sense narratively for Ash to win again, although them pulling another Bea with her feels kinda lazy. Ash using a barely trained dracovish and a dragonite which we know is gonna lose to hers really doesn’t seem like enough to beat a Champion, especially not one specialized in dragon types like come on guys lol
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AAIIEEEEE
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>>47018839
Yeah also now that we know Iris is champion it also feels like a waste if Ash beats her here. I'd love to see them have a 3 on 3 or even 6 on 6 battle if possible later in the series. Also blatantly giving her a Goodra when now she owns 3 of the same pokemon as Ash (Dragonite, Gible, Goodra) has to be done for a reason. The writers know what they're doing instead of giving her any other random dragons.
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Iris beat Alder before Trip could
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They're just sticking to game lore. Thank god the games didn't make Misty part of the Elite 4 in HGSS or anything else, otherwise we would have seen Misty being written like the strongest companion too.
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>>47018886
>sticking to game lore
I wish they'd introduce Rosa though...
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>>47018886
Champion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>E4
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God, Misty came back, Iris came back, Dawn is probably coming back, the SM cast has returning.

If Lillie gets Alolan Ninetails too they're really buffing up all the previous girls teams. Makes me so scared knowing May could have Mega Blaziken and many new pokemon but we'll never know.
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>>47018886
Is Misty not the strongest girl after Iris though with her Mega Evolution?
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>>47018928
Not after how easily Ash took it down.
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>>47018938
Ash used Pikachu, who would sweep everyone else. Give it up, Scott.
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AAHHHHH, I WANT TO KNOW WHO WINS
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>>47018928
She is. But you are talking to a delusional Mayfag.
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>>47019015
Ash
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I think the Chinese leaker was wrong. Ash winning makes no sense now. Also don't think Volkner is showing up since he wasn't in any of the previews.
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If Misty appears again her team needs major improvement outside just Mega Gyarados:

- Psyduck still can't really battle in major battles
- Horsea is weak and never battled
- Goldeen can only battle in water and barely battled
- Azurill never did anything
- Staryu is decent but not really strong
- Starmie hasn't been used in 1000+ episodes so it's probably doomed because the writers treated it like shit
- Corsola is decent
- Politoed kinda became a joke after evolving
- Luvdisc is meh


Given the sheer mass of water pokemon out there it's bizarre the writers never really buffed up her team aside from Gyarados.
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The preview just covers the episodes for June.
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Hello everyone, book anon here. I have returned to the store and taken pictures of the remaining characters: Misty, Brock, Gary, May, and Max. I will be posting these pics in subsequent replies with the exception of May. I will release these VERY spicy pics of May if Scott agrees to my demands in a public negotiation. So scott, let me know when you are here.
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>>47017463
I’ve gotta say everyone looks great in this new art style
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More misty
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So how are they going to explain her massive leap in power? She couldn't beat Claire at all last time.

And how the fuck are they going to keep Ash around after this series is over?
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Brock
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>>47019098
You fags overthink this shit lol. They will just have Ash drop his team and move on to next series as if nothing happened.
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>>47017463
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>>47018558
Probably because the anime acts like Ash himself needs to get stronger to beat them, not his Pokemon. Against Bea for instance, he was made to look weak...and said he needed to get stronger. No, just use Infernape, Sceptile, etc
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>>47019098
It's been pretty obvious since XY they've been building up to Ash's conclusion. That's why they dropped the whole old formula. The backlash to Ash losing the Kalos league especially made the writers realize they can't do that anymore.
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>>47018879
Is there any proof they just didn't drop the anime exclusive characters out of existence in Journeys.

So far no acknowledgement of Ritchie, Paul, Trip, Sawyer etc
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>>47019110
And yet, World wide he'll be the best or second best trainer in the world due to the PWC. You can't as easily just drop and move on after that. There will be a little more gravitas.
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>>47019125
Yes you can and watch them do it. You yogurts take this stuff way more seriously then writers do.
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The other girls that come back will get similar want right? This seems like over compensation for how awful she was handled in BW.
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Will Dracovish even beat Dragonite? If Champion tier has been scaled down, you'd like Dragonite would sweep but she also was a traveling companion so I guess they don't want to scale her up too much.
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>>47019141
No, unless they are PWC participants.
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I hope Dawn gets at least something new when she returns. In BW she had the exact same team as we last saw her.
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>>47019141
Not really. Brock and Misty got some pretty major developments themselves. I think the writers just want to give each companion their flowers. Would you rather have another cameo similar to Dawn where she appeared with literally no development whatsoever, in fact she took a break from Contests because she lost so much, lose to Iris’ bs new capture, and leave before the main villain conflict goes down.
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>>47019098
Full bw style reset
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>>47019159
They are both Champion tier trainers.
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>>47019176
But Dracovish hasn't had any battles at all. If it takes out Dragonite, only to lose to Haxorus...it wouldn't really feel like Ash lost tona CHAMPION. It just feel like he lost because he went up against a Pokemom with more touched up training, than a lack of skill.
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>>47019098
Ever read Ippo?
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>>47019220
Isn't Ippo punch drunk or something now and did he beat Ricardo? I fell off of it, but do plan to pick it up again.
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>>47019141
>awful she was handled
nice headcanon LMAO
Iris beat Ash in a Tournament Finals.
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>>47019252
Then she got bodied by Throh trainer, Ash, Ash again when using charizard Drayden, and Claire. Try again Irisfag.
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>>47018526
>little bitch can't even control her own pokémon
>"hurr doesn't count"
She lost the match fair and square without any idiotic twists like Ash's Charizard sleeping. That she couldn't be assed to control her own pokémon is not an excuse.

>>47018839
>although them pulling another Bea with her feels kinda lazy.
That's the very reason why Ash should win. It's been a long while since the last time a former battle happened in the anime. And building that up just to recycle a plot that wasn't even good to begin with would be downright retarded.

As hard to grasp as it is for people here, Ash losing won't magically make the writers start to build up his team properly. All they're gonna do if they really pull that off is go back to the same progression-less episodes for another tjree months or so.
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>>47019277
Iris looked pretty incompetent for the entirety of the 2nd half of BW when you go back and look at the series.
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Do you guys not realize Ash is champion tier and strong af as he is right now?

He almost beat champion Diantha already in XY. Won the league and the equivalent of a champ match in SM.

Only lost to Bea due to using two newly caught baby mons.

Ash and Iris are on equal power level here.
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>>47019318
Don't think the SM feats are very impressive anon, but I'd agree that Ash skill wise is close to Champion level as is Pikachu. Problem is, I don't think any of Ash's Pokemon are champion level rn.
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>>47018526
>Iris was such a shit trainer she couldn't control her pokemon in a battle

It does count, cope.
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*Besides Pikachu.
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>Only lost to Bea due to using two newly caught baby mons.

And yet the anime acted like Ash, himself, needed to get stronger. If he loses I rather him say "My pokemon need more experience and to get stronger" or "I might need to use my reseverse next time" rather than the garbage they do now.
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>>47019167
Can't you just hold your phone vertically,I'm tired of snapping my neck trying to read these.
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Iris becoming Champion is stupid and illogical and really undermines how difficult it is to become Champion and how prestigious and powerful the title is(unless they do a really good job explaining how Iris got the role), but Ash beating her with Dragonite and Dracovish doesn't make much sense either. The writing looks to be bad all around imo
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>>47019393
This is the same series that will likely have Ash get to best 8 trainers in the world, I don't they think they care about logical power leaps.
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I wonder if we'll see Alder at all this series. What do you think happened to him?
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>>47019318
>He almost beat champion Diantha already in XY
i actually fucking hate this so much, they underpowered Diantha hard for no reason
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>muh writing
I bet people wouldn't mind if Ash was the champion of a region instead
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>>47019434
Yeah with this time it wouldn't make much sense at all, but presumably they're bringing back more reserves right?
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For the matter being, let's just break out what the writers have done with Ash's team ever since Riolu came:

>"Hmm... we have been giving Riolu a lot of screentime, should we let other pokémon fight again to show they're not forgotten?"
>"Nah, let's have an episode where Pikachu acts like a whiny bitch towards Ash instead."

>"We haven't used Farfetch'd ever since we included him, should we let him win his first match?"
>"Nah, make him lose and don't bring him up for months until we feel like dedicating him three episodes of training several months later."

>"Ash's loss to Bea must be a hard hitting storyline. We must make his losing streak feel natural."
>"Nah, squeeze it all in two episodes, put on a pair of filler episodes between them while you're at it."

>"We haven't used Gengar in a long while, should we bring him to fight?"
>"Nah, let's just say Ash has forgotten about him. People will believe we care."

>"We haven't used Lucario for months already, should we do something about it?"
>"Nah, don't do it. People won't notice."

>"We haven't used Dragonite or Dracovish."
>"Put them in a fight and call it a day. Infernape needs to play a big role in the next arc so we can't do anything about his current team."

Despite being Ash's main team for the whole season, everyone has been treated like dogshit. Making them lose to Iris isn't gonna do jack shit for them because they'll just half-ass it again. If writers really cared about improving, they should do it by letting those poor guys fight more often, rather than having them in one episode and forgetting about them for another twelve.
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>>47019393
Yeah, I mean realistically Iris should have been sth like Alain-tier in terms of battlepower and trainer experience at the end of BW in order for this to make sense with how much the anime used to parade around the whole Pokemon League concept before SM.
But on the other hand, the anime itself got rid of these powerlevel and narrative constraints when they switched the formula after XYZ so there's really no reason to overthink this at this point. Just enjoy the show for what it is now. Also Game Freak needs to promote Iris as being the Champion which she is in the games. Also it feels awesome for Iris to finally get some acknowledgement from the writers after how they did her dirty in BW
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>>47019463
*team, fuck I can't spell
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>>47019451
Honestly, Champions being untouchable gods had worn out it's welcome. I'm glad we're seeing E4 and Champions being mortal now.
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>>47019454
Ash has actually had some logical writing and progression to back up him getting there, if not that, at least E4 level. I know Irisfags think everything surrounding her character is great, but she was handled like shit. That wasn't her fault though, almost everything in BW was shit, hence why they are damage controlling bow by making her Champion.
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>>47019476
in theory im fine with it, but when a champion for another region is made far more impressive with steven, and wulfric performs better against ash than the champion, i have a problem
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>>47019471
*also Iris should have participated in the Unova League(which would set up her League ambitions and she should have had 7 badges in advance before joining Ash so she'd only have to win Drayden's gym on screen without taking up too much time), she REALLY would have been better as Ash's rival (even if they were to travel together) instead of being a Mistyesque companion
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>>47019471
If Iris had been Alain tier at the end of BW, her being Champion would have actually made a lot of sense. But, yeah...they don't give a fuck about logic and since Ash will be in Best 8 trainers this series, they might as well have made her Champion.
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>>47019451
I'm really not of the opinion that they " underpowered " Diantha. More so think the frog was genuinely impressive in the battle and is probably Ash's second strongest Pokemon after Pikachu. Of course, that's just my opinion.
>>47019476
Don't think it'd be great f they were treated as mortal beings like this though. It's one thing to be an unbeatable god and then shown to be mortal against someone also impressively powerful
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>>47019505
>hence why they are damage controlling bow by making her Champion.

Damage control for what? The majority of viewers didn’t even watch BW.
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Ash being in best 8 trainers would make sense though right if he brings back reserves? Are we assuming he isn't going to do that? Brought back Infernape already
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If a 10yo boy with a team of shitmons was offered the job of being a frontier brain, then a 10yo girl with a team of pseudos can be a champion
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>>47019547
Making up for her lack of development in BW. She only batted around 13 times while on the BW cast, most of her battles relied on Excadrill, and when she got Dragonite she did nothing but look incompetent and/or lose. They meandered way too much with her character.
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>>47019563
This is the logic of your average Irisfag
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>>47019572
Just let the Irisfags celebrate for however long it last anon.
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>>47019563
>team of shitmons
It's been proven that Ash's pokémon teams can actually defeat the game's frontier brains.

Also, aside from Brandon, Anabel and maybe Noland, none of them have been treated like E4-tier trainers.
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>>47019566
I think she battled more than that:

- 3 Don battle tournaments, and she had multiple on-screen battles in them

- She battled Drayden

- She battled Claire

- She battled Ash 3 times

- She battled Dawn

- She battled in some one-off fillers like the crossdressing episode

- Dragonite battled a lot in Episode N
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>>47019577
Can you imagine if she ends up being a recurring character though?
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Why exactly is Iris challenging Ash here anyway? Is it to show off? It be like if you won EVO, but then specifically wanted to fight someone who had never ever reached that point for the right to move on.
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>>47019547
Ash doing a work out session before Clay's (I think?) Gym Battle was kino. At least now we know why he's so strong.
BW Bianca's character arc was also kino as fuck, she's the most realistic female character in the entire show.
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So Iris is a Champion but not a Dragon Master?
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>>47019616
Being a Dragon Master is just as vague and pointless as being a Water Master or a Pokemon Master. It just vaguely means being really good in a specific field.
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>>47019566
I don’t think the writers think like that at all.
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This outcome is going to be controversial as fuck no matter who wins will it?
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Are they really going to have Ash beat some shit trainer to get to Hyper? Like the Hariyama guy? I'd like to think he'd beat someone with some gravitas each new rank, but since he's not winning here anyone else would be lame.
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>>47019649
Pretty much, just like the first Iris win over Ash where people where wonder why he was written in a position in which he only had like on attacking move that would do any meaningful damage compared to Iris' full moveset.
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>>47019649
The writing behind this episode looks to be bad in all direction so unless they execute the episode really well and explain a lot of crap, expect a shitstorm for sure.
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>>47019586
I unironically think Iris becoming a Champion deservesat at least a 3 episode OVA special series in this context exploring her ...background(?), well, chronologically, more like middleground but you get the point. Whatever Iris was doing during XY and SM. Like, they never even bothered setting her trainer ambitions up in BW yet they have a lot of COTDs who convincingly promise to become stronger and battle Ash one day.
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>>47019586
I would prefer this, Bea has the charisma of a stone and it is not the fault of the character, whether it is shown that she is a great character in the other series, it's fault of the director who prefers to be sucking Goh's dick 24/7 instead of developing to the other characters.
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>>47019597
Champion nepotism..eeehh I mean "Special treatment"
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>>47019682
I think if Iris had fallen into her 8th gym leader role at the end of BW, beat Drayden, then had a battle with Ash for the 8th badge which she narrowly loses, then her special touched on her getting extended training, rather than running off to follow Rayquaza, her coming back as Champion would have worked fine.
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>>47019657
>but since he's not winning here anyone else would be lame.

He is going to win and then face the Gen 4 rep Volkner.
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Well given Gary isn't a rival apparently, i guess Ash is going to have all female rivals and Leon? Korrina, Bea, and Iris.
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>>47019754
Huh? Did they confirm that Gary isn't a rival?
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>>47019717
Or simply if you wanted to demonstrate the growth of a character in a short time, you can make a montage of her facing "random" trainers during her journey; Paul, Alain, Gladion. Besides being a simple resource, it would be an excellent fanservice.
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>>47019769
Nothing recently has been said he is. Just that he's a part of Team Mew or whatever.
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>>47019720
Is anyone really going to be hype for Ash vs some random gym leader if he defeats a champion? I have him losing to Iris and building the climb to facing and beating champions later on.
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>>47019774
Well, I guess they'll "explain" how she got to where she was in the episode. But I really don't expect it to be much more than "I trained REALLY hard to rematch Drayden/Claire, I won and eventually evrn beat Alder!!"
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>>47019789
But who is he going to beat to get into Hyper Class? Some jobber, because honestly that feel like he'd get an easy ticket in. Bea is likely already in Hyper Class.
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>>47019789
If it features Luxray a popular mon then I think it be fine.
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>>47019774
Also these guys
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>>47019827
>Jeanette using a cyborg ninja mantis

The rest is meh
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>>47019807
He could just beat a gym leader, save some Galar gym leaders for hyper class, and then have him face whoever is in the top 8 later.
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>>47017463
Fuck this franchise they couldn't even let me have this one.
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For people who don't like this Iris development or don't think it's "logical", what do you think should have been done to make it make sense then?
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>>47019987
The anon's greentext comment is a lie meant to troll people, the post says nothing of the sort.>>47017549
Iris is undoubtedly "Isshu Chihou Chanpion", i.e. Unova Region Champion.
I just checked the official ashnime Twitter (anime Poketto Monsuta Koushiki), it's legit, Iris is a Champion
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>>47020007
I and some other guys already wrote up some ideas in the thread but really the most important thing that Iris lacks is the DRIVE to go the top that Ash has always occasionally shown since the very beginning. I've never gotten the vibes from Iris that she has some sort of unbreakable determination to get to the best of the best. That is the most essential.
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>>47020046
You misinterpreted my comment. The franchise couldn't let me have Iris NOT being champion.
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>>47019318
>Only lost to Bea due to using two newly caught baby mons

Pikachu lost to her too
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't know how Irisfags can be happy about this. At it is, all of her accomplishments would have happened I'm off-screen land. If May came back and just said I'm Top Coordinator but we didn't see her go through a gauntlet of Harley, Drew and Solidad to get there I'd be underwhelmed as fuck.
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>>47020109
Why wouldn't she be? Since they're taking out a cameo character (which the ashnime doesn't do TOO often), they might as well promote the games and Iris is a Champion in the games so yeah. Seriously, it's as simple as this. Would you really prefer Iris to rot away in stagnation like Tracey?
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>>47020127
After taking down a mon. Riolu would have still lost regardless, but we wouldn't have this faux "Ash couldn't even beat ONE pokemom last time huuurrr. She's so strong huurr" garbage.
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>>47019505
>Ash has actually had some logical writing and progression to back up him getting there
well no fucking shit you huge fucking retard, he stars in 1000+ pokemon episodes and 20+ pokemon movies
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>>47020128
Would you be happy if you got an official hentai scene of May NTRing Ash with Drew)?
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Yeah, Iris's development is way too massive to handwave it as a background shift, this should have legit been set up as a major plotline in one way or another in BW. But it's still better than having Iris rot away in the shadow realm of ashnime characters for another 10 years
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>>47020129
I get that people would want her to be 8th gym leader instead, because that what she was building towards at the end of BW. You have to admit, her being Champion is a bit of a leap, and I like Iris.
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>>47020129
I'd prefer not shit writing to proliferate in the anime and this is shit writing.
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>>47020174
The sudden tone shift after XYZ wasn't really much better writing. You just have to look at the cool and exciting side of things like these instead of nitpicking an anime that is clearly targeting the kodomomuke audience for the last two seasons.
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>>47020149
So, yeah...the point stands? Ash being a Regional champ who is above E4 at this point would make sense. While Iris, not having even done half as much even within BW, beating all of the Unova E4 and Alder, is a bit retarded.
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>>47019098
>After this series is over
Given the direction PM series is heading, this series can simply run forever, meaning even if a new region (Gen 9) is announced, the writers can simply insert the new region in PM without the need to create a new series from scratch.

Therefore, don't be surprised even if Go and Koharu are going to stick around for a long time coming because they are already marketing tools to bring Pokemon to the anime to boost merchandise sales.

Also Ash is already a successful marketing tool for a long time who can pander to each and every gen of kids for more than 20 years despite some "controversies". Ash as a MC is pretty much the symbol of Pokemon Anime franchise, therefore Ash will continue to be around for a long time coming.
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I don't know about you guys, but it was obvious to me that Iris started wanting to be a champion after meeting Cynthia.
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>>47020205
You have no argument for me that SM had plenty of shitty writing lol. It's only been getting worse. Personally, I find good writing to be cool and exciting and surface level bullshit like this to be pretty horrible. This whole series reads like crappy fanfic and this is just the latest example of that.
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>>47020139
>"Ash couldn't even beat ONE pokemom last time huuurrr. She's so strong huurr" garbage.
I think Bea is strong, but Pikachu and Dnite definitely could have won that first fight, also they hyped Bea because she defeated the Karate King but guess what, FUCKING GOH defeated him as well so it was never a big deal. But I think Grapplock is not even her strongest Pokémon, maybe Gmax Machamp and she used that Machamp to beat Korrina
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>>47020240
And believe me they weren't subtle about it.
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>>47020284
>>47020240
BW Cynthia was kino and gorgeous
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>>47020240
I mean we can assume a lot of things. But it's clear they were going to the Gym leader role, as she lost to two gym leaders, both Dragon type users. They just changed course because the writing all throughout BW was fucked.
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>>47020284
Based
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>>47020252
My point is that if the ashnime had not diverged off the OS-XY formula in SM and PM2019 then Iris's development and return as a Champion would probably have been forshadowed a lot better with the usual Pokemon League hierarchy powerscale wanking. (Which I actually consider a very vital part of the ashnime worldbuilding since it sets a very clear distinction among all of the trainers' battle skills)
But right now it is what it is and the show needs to innovate to...appeal to the new generation of Japanese kids, I guess?
So just take a seat back and get some popcorn
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>>47020301
Dawn agrees
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>>47020129
Because she was lazy af in best wishes and didn't enter tournaments.
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>>47020129
>Would you really prefer Iris to rot away in stagnation like Tracey?
Yes Iris deserves worse.
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I guess people can view this as Iris getting her dues or whatever, but sadly, this so so underwhelming. She beat two gym leaders she couldn't beat off screen, which was apparently enough to beat the entirety of the E4 and Champion, just so Ash can lose to prolong his Hyper Class entry, only for him not really to train, instead opting to do silly shenanigans with Go, but get into Hyper Class later, rematch her and win not having really changed much at all.
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If anyone had said that they came from the future where Anime Iris was the Regional Unova Champion they'd be called a shitposter and now there's people trying to pretend this was a totally obvious and logical conclusion and sensible end to her character.
You faggots are a joke.
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>>47020405
I think everyone but the Irisfags are aware that this is incredibly shitty anon and the " logic " that Irisfags have deployed to justify this is some pretty birdbrained shit
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>>47020344
Hot
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>>47020317
I agree with you. PM2019 has been the most interesting thus far as the anime reveals life in Pokemon world does no always revolve just on battles alone, it is also a way to see how humans and Pokemon interact in their daily lives similar to us in the real world.
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>>47020421
I haven't actually seen any Irisfags defend it, they are just happy because she's super powerful now because they feel like they were persecuted all throughout BW. Most Irisfags don't seem to like Ash either, so her beating him might as well be an aphrodisiac.
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>>47019350
Would be if he used Charizard, Sceptile, Lycanroc, Greninja & Infernape
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>>47020494
I don't care for the fight, if not for the make up sex.
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what if in fridays episode iris came out as trans
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>>47020421
I'm surprised most people at Serebii seem okay with it. Pretty strange when they've called out characters for much less.
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This is your typical Irisfag.
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>>47020768

Pretty kino list of shit, ngl.

Between Excadrill, Dragonite, Goodra, Haxorus she’s packing. I normally don’t shill Pikashit clones but watched the tournament and it’s pretty based how she beat Stephan.
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>>47020768
> Mistreatment
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Why do Irisfags feel they were "mistreated" if your character has shit writing, it's going to get called out and Iris had shit writing. People called out Ash's writing all the time.
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>>47019807
>But who is he going to beat to get into Hyper Class?
The one chasing that Dragon Champion!
...yeah, I wish.
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>>47020494
I mean, even if Iris loses she'll still be the Unova Champion. Irisfags already won with this asspull she got to prop her.
Personally, I'd be extremely upset at seeing my favorite character going from 0 to 100 off-screen and completely missing their journey and knowing it was something mindlessly done to copy the games, completely ignoring how the anime and game massively differ, but that's just me.
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>>47020768
>user is just enjoying the episode without caring about Pokemon's usual sub-par writing coming up again
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>>47020768
Still not worst than Ashfags
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>>47021008
Obsessed.
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>>47020997
Thinking a fictional character deserves something because of "mistreatment" by watchers is a sign of autism.
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>>47020759
There is a heavy BW fan presence there so it is no surprise.
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>>47018438
That’s like saying Ash losing the league because of Charizard not listening doesn’t count, and we’ve been holding those events against the character for decades.
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>>47020958
It's funny when you think that Iris couldn't even beat Clair, a gym leader Ash beat 2 decades ago, and now she's skipped all that. But gotta have Iris one up Ash for a wasted slot later, and a repeat of Bea right?
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>>47018438
So... Georgia remains undefeated against Iris then?
>Dragonite didn’t obey Iris so it doesn’t count.
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>>47021039
Oh boy, an autist on a Pokemon board. Sound the alarms.
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>>47021008
Ashfags remains some of the most autistic dumbasses in the fanbase bar none. Just look at that idiot complaining about Iris having Goodra when Ash has all these popular Pokémon in PM.
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>>47021064
No there isn't? The majority of the users there hate BW and always regarded it as the worst series until Journeys came along

XY fans are mostly dominant there
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I forgot all about this episode. Cute.
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>>47021182
There are a lot of XY fans yeah, but there many active members who like BW.
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>>47021182
What's with all the Irisfags celebration? I haven't seen on Irisfag call out this assault writing, only salivating over how "great" it is.
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>>47020997
So that poster is normal, not a raging autist?
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>>47021161
This
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>>47021254
>>47021161
Obsessed.
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>>47021223
No one cares XYfag. Don’t you people have a Serena Sunday containment thread.
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>>47021248
Bro, do you not see how many here are having autistic fits over this Iris thing? Autism is normal aming Poekmon fans.
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I bet people wouldn't be angry if May and Dawn returned as Top Coordinators or Serena as Kalos Queen.
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>>47021329
>Serena as Kalos Queen.
They wouldn't be angry because they don't care about that and only want her for shipping bullshit, they will probably kill themselves when Ash doesn't react in any romantic way.
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>>47021329
That is where some of the saltiness comes from. Iris is now relevant. While Dawn, May, Serena are not. Writers care about and don’t seem to give a shit about those three. It kick in the nuts to the online fandom.
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>>47021182
Cringe, majority my ass. I love BW and it's definitely better than shitty ship pandering.
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>>47020945
>10yo

How? This is the power of burger food?
pic related both are 10
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>>47021187
This was the last appearance of Kadabra in the anime to date, back in 2005. Do you think it'll appear this series?
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>>47021352
I think the writing is more an issue. If Iris came back as the 8th Gym leader, no one would care.
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>>47021108
It's natural to assume Claire got stronger by BW than when Ash faced her in Johto. Gym leaders likely grow as trainers too as time goes on, they don't get stagnant.
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>>47021329
Those were their goals, Iris goal was to became a Dragon Master, not a Champion.
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How are they going to explain Iris beating the E4 and Champion
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>>47021511
She hit her head and has been delusional for months
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>>47021469
That is why I said some. There are those upset by the writing and then there is the typical waifufaggery.
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>>47021471
Why are you assuming Clair went all out when fighting Iris?
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Can someone knock Sham down a peg or two
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>>47021624
I don't even know why he's assuming that Clair became stronger since I don't think that's how gym leaders in the anime work and when there's really no evidence to show that.
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>>47021711
Why does Iris make this general and Ashfags seethe so hard?
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>>47021794
Well for most people here, I think they are used to girls being written at least somewhat decently. If Iris were came back and had taken over as the 8th gym leader, I don't think people would necessarily be as up in arms. The massive leap in logic from where she left off to where she is now rubs people the wrong way.
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>>47021711
Seems like that user knocked themselves down a peg since they outright admitted logic is a foreign concept to them when it comes to Iris. More power to them though.
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>>47021868

B T F O

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>>47020768
I hate when people use Japanese names
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>>47021955
>Power Up
But of course...
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>>47021955
I'm really not invested in this Serebii flamewar padt has going on since I really just lurk, but not sure that response is as big of an EPIC DUNK XDDD the way you think it is anon...
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>>47021955
Based
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>>47021329
Dawn and Serena both made it to the finals of their respective tournaments and especially Dawn showed she was almost equal in power to the "champion". The last time we saw Iris she was very definitely nowhere near Alder's level.

Comparing Top Coordinators and Kalos Queens to Champions is retarded, they're the contest and Tripokalon equivalents to league winners.
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>>47021955
>deflecting criticism by naming another series

Irisfags probably wouldn't even question if she was in Leon's place as the strongest trainer in the world suddenly.
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>>47021984
If anything that Redstar guy's reply to him was more of a dunk.
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So people acknowledge the writing is shit and just along for the ride?
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>>47022047
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>>47022033
That's really just what that response is saying yeah lol. I don't know why Blue Saturday thinks that's a gotcha
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>>47021973
This fags never shuts up about how much he hates SM/PM and circle jerked Serena/Ash.
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Power Up is a faggot. Dude is just mad because the writers don’t care about his waifu or XY anymore.
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>>47017299
Aoi is a professional degenerate.
https://youtu.be/eL0Tim6ZRTI
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>>47019381
Sorry I am holding it vertically, idk why this happens. Also scott never showed so i guess heres may
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>>47021329
Serena will NOT be Karosu Queen.
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>>47019717
Ok but what if she caught rayquaza and it carried her to champion tier

This is literally the only way this even remotely makes sense
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>>47021572
Kek based



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