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ha ha
yeah...
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>gen 6, couldn't learn power gem
>gen 7, couldn't learn power gem
>currently gen 8, still can't learn power gem
>inb4 it won't in gen 9 and future generations after because muh vgc balancing
Shitheads somehow believe that a special-attacking Rock-type Pokémon shouldn't be able to learn a special move with 80 BP as if it would fuck the games sideways. It fucking took until gen 8 for it to get Aurora Veil when it should have been able to learn it starting in gen 6 along with Power Gem. What a fucking joke, thank you Game Freak.

>inb4 it's another poliwrath where it took 20+ years for it to learn close combat, because of game freak's charizard dick-sucking
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Duurrrrr
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Bros...
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A Def-basef attack shouldn't have been Fighting type.
It should have been a Steel move called Shield Bash.
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>>46996955
Magnetic fields are able to generate heat but not create fire. this is acceptable
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>>46997208
Fuck gamefreak and their protectiveness over Lando-T
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>>46997624
Yeah maybe it should be called something like "Behemoth Bash" ....nah that would be silly
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>>46997657
No, there is no excuse when both Heat Wave and Overheat would work perfect for Magnets and the objectmons in general. Listen, things get Fire moves because "they get angry" see Primeape who can't even use the move properly but can still learn it. Also zebras ...because?
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>>46997208
>But japanese name makes sense!
People will unironically say this.
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>>46996941
Why the fuck can't Entei learn Earthquake? So many fucking pokemon can learn it, but Entei can't. It's the only one of the three beasts with more physical attack than special (despite being a fire type introduced before the special/physical split), and its pokedex entries keep mentioning how it causes tremors and eruptions all over the place.
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>TPC went out of their way on their website to say that Blaziken gets all 3 of the elemental punches in ORAS
>It never got Ice Punch
>TPC literally had to apologize about it and showcase Blaziken using some other move instead AFTER the games released
They could have fixed the Ice Punch Blaziken issue in gen 7 by making it learn it via tutor, but nah they wanted us to forget their fuckup.
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>>46998869
They could have also just like, released an update for ORAS that let it learn ice punch. For some reason Gamefreak doesn't understand that you can do things like this now.
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>>46997657
There's still plenty of Fire moves that are just heat-related rather than fire.
Burning Jealousy, Heat Crash, Heat Wave, Overheat...
Magnezone could have any of those.
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>>46997208
Kyu-B gets base Kyurem's moveset.
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>>46998775
It's always a sad day when a physical attacker doesn't get Earthquake.
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>>46999276
thank god movepools always make sense
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>>46996941
I recently learned that not only does the Pikachu line not learn Ice or Fire Punch, they also don't get Metronome. It makes no sense.
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>>46999276
>It's retarded because it's supposed to be
Why does wooper learn ice punch if it doesn't have arms?
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>>46999330
>he doesn't know
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>>46996941
>doesn't get U-turn
>doesn't get leech life
>doesn't get mega horn
>doesn't get first impression
>mono bug

????????

Tell me why almost every non bug type has better bug type moves that either do more damage or have utility. The fuck is even the point of X-scizor now.
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>>46997604
BROS.......
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>>46997138
It seems to be mostly Pokemon that have gems in their design that can learn it, like Persian, Starmie, or Sableye. But Aurorus literally has Ice crystals AND is Rock type, so there's no excuse here.

Also why the fuck can Machamp not get Drain Punch when Conkeldurr can? And so can nearly every Fighting type from gen 6 onwards. Why the fuck does Bewear get it but not Machamp? Why does Kangaskhan get it? Why does Heatmor get it?
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>>46996941
wouldnt it be funny if the shield pokemon couldn't learn king's shield
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>ice/fairy type
>can learn flamethrower, thunderbolt, hurricane, swords dance, nasty plot iron defense, amnesia, double team and hone claws
>can't learn moon blast
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>>46997624
>A Def-based attack shouldn't have been Fighting type.
>what is boxing
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>>46998775
Probably the same guy who decided that pic related doesn't get Earth Power,
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The fact you're even admitting to getting angry over a kid's game is bad enough though, much less still having sand in your vagina over this instance.
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>>46996941
gallede cant learn sacred blade
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>>46999276
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>47000193
Everything that learns it is either a dedicated swordsman or actual living blade of soem description.
How can a ballerina turned bodyguard deserve to learn it, when others studied the blade from birth to master it?
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>>47000119
Hey, schizo. Charizard has a garbage movepool too.
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>>46999390
It doesn't need any of that shit. Literally all Pinsir needs is its mega back.
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>>46997699
They live in Africa where its hot
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>>47000327
>Charizard has a garbage movepool
>Reliable Special Coverage including Dual STAB on Fire and Flying, Rock, Ground, and Dragon. Also has Weather Ball as a Wild Card
>Belly Drum, Swords Dance, Dragon Dance to use its Physical Atk
>Roost for Recovery
>Tailwind and Defog for Utility

Meanwhile Typhlosion has
>Eruption

Charizard had more special snowflake forms than Typhlosion has moves.
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>>46999276
Calyrex has different moves for each fusion, they should rework Kyurem to work like that.
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>>47000399
>>Reliable Special Coverage
>solarbeam
>ancientpower
>reliable
>dragon STAB
>good
>>Belly Drum, Swords Dance, Dragon Dance to use its Physical Atk
Bellyzard has been a meme ever since gen 3. It's not going to use any other boosting move effectively with no mega.
>>Roost for Recovery
Charizard isn't taking hits well enough to warrant recovery.
>Tailwind and Defog for Utility
Both of which are done better by other mons.
>Meanwhile Typhlosion has
>Eruption
It's enough to put it in a higher tier than Zard.
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>>47000438
Non-STAB Dragon, rather. Coverage is worthless if it's not hitting for super effective damage.
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>>47000438
The awkward moment when "Wingless Charizard"s one move was enough for it to raise to a higher tier than base Charizard.
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>>46996941
T-Bolt Ferrothorn
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>>47000438
fanfic shitter is sad
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>>47000438
>>solarbeam
Nobody even mentioned Solarbeam you fucking schizo
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>>47002604
It's the only coverage move Charizard runs aside from Focus Miss.
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>Is based on the life cycle of an antlion (an animal known for setting trap)

>No Stealth Rocks or any other Hazard

Why?
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>minior
>is an accelerating rock
>in the game accelerock is introduced in
>doesn't get accelerock
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>>47000327
Hey, psycho. gigalith had good movepool tho.
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>>47004199
So?
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>>47000438
ah... the good old days of three fire moves + roost specs zard...
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>>47000337
>literally worse mega salamance
>no return
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>>46997699
Anon, magnets lose their magnetic properties when heated
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>>47005146
It has Double Edge and Body Slam.
Body Slam would be legal with Quick Attack now too.
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>>46996941
Zamazenta-Crowned would still be shit even if it learned Body Press.
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>>47000438
>fanfic meta
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>>46996941
proof
>+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Zacian Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Grass: 276-325 (72.4 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>+2 252+ Def Choice Band Zamazenta Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Grass: 253-298 (66.4 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>+1 252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Grass: 226-266 (59.3 - 69.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>+2 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Grass: 199-235 (52.2 - 61.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252+ Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Grass: 184-217 (48.2 - 56.9%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO
so Zamazenta-Crowned is so shit, it does the least damage of the 4 forms with STAB Meme Press while also being the slowest
in fact, it barely outdamages max Attack Close Combat.
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>>47005307
exactly why Overheat makes so much sense for it to have
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>>47005408
Nobody is using either in VGC.
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>>46996941
I was more upset by this one.
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Not rage inducing but it would be nice if mineral based mons could learn Shore Up
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>>47005666
Or Mudsdale.
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This one is just funny.
>slow, physical fighting type
>signature move is Ice Hammer
>one of the few mons to learn Crabhammer
>can't learn Hammer Arm, the move designed for slow, physical fighting types
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>>47005433
How is Zam going to get only +2 defense?
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>>47005883
wtf, i remember that in gen I at least it was a level up move
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all I want...
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>>46998932
Because it was taken away mid development for balancing reasons. Hence the beta screenshot.
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>the possessed sword can't learn Poltergeist
>but a dead owl can
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>>46996955
>>46999260
>>47005532
Fuck off retard.
You don't want it because it "makes sense" you it because it'll make him meta and even better at steel trapping. Disingenuous cunt.
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>>46996941
>Ampharos still doesn't have Tail Glow
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>>47000356
This one is criminal
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>>47005385
What if it learned Swords Dance?
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>>46996941
Gorilla pokemon without bite and crunch
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>>46997138
It has NO GEMS.
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>>46999390
NONE of thesr fit
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>>47006796
>45% of the poke is horns
>megahorn doesn't fit
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>>47004003
It has Sant tomb.
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>>47005803
It cant learn machpunch either
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>>47006807
Megahorn is for mons that use songle horns in battle.
Pinsir uses X scisor as it cant use. Single pincer
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>>47006075
It's a boxer, why would it learn throwing moves?
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>>47005838
the calc is fucked up on showdown so you need to set it to +2 to properly represent Dauntless Shield
>>47005827
brilliant fucking strategy anon, devote 2 moveslots to a meme that is easily forced out by Marshadow, Calyrex-Shadow or even Xerneas
this dog is shit and will forever be shit without any good support moves, because in its brilliance GF decided to give an offensive typing a defensive spread
it's on the same level as making slow defensive Ice types. one of if not the worst designed box legend in Pokemon history
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>>47006783
Aurorus is based on queen with a tiara. Reminder that Lunatone and Nosepass have nothing even close to gems on their bodies and they can learn the move. At least Aurorus has crystals.
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>>47005827
Magnezone can pull that off because it has a way to trap steels and hit them with a 115 defense. Zamazenta can't do that or risk gutting it's offense on it's 2 other non body Press moves.
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>>47007584
CC is just outright better because with Dauntless Shield ability it lets you get off do 2 CC to go -1 Def instead of just 1. If this dog were to get Bulk Up then Body Press would make much sense because You can go Body Press, Behemoth, Bulk up and Coverage and fuck shit hard to the point OU would be like "Zama-C get OUt".
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>>47006650
it would still be shit because of its low attack
if you want to make it good, give it the rearranged spread of Zacian (like almost every other box legend) THEN give it Body Press
now Adamant Primal Groudon can't even 2HKO, while Zama-C can 2HKO it with Body Press. Primal Kyogre can't OHKO with Origin Pulse either.
without support moves it's still a gimmick, but it has a real niche now as a fast, fat tank
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>>47007561
>move named after a shield bash works off defensive stat
nah, that would make too much sense, this is GF we're talking about
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>>47006783
Take a look at pic-related and try telling me Aurorus doesn't have any gems or crystals lining it's body.

>>47007574
>Reminder that Lunatone and Nosepass have nothing even close to gems on their bodies and they can learn the move.
Kilinklang can learn it despite not having any of that in its design, and its physical attack is higher than its special attack stat.
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>>47005532
Wouldn't burn up be better then?
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>>46997604
Why would it want a physical poison move anyway? Now GALLADE not getting Cum Piss Shit Fart is a travesty.
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>>47006832
Ah yes, the Single Horn pokemon, Scolipede.
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>>47007574
Nosepas red parts are magnetized gems
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>>47007636
These are ice crystals.
None of pokemon that has ice crystals learns it
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>>47007636
those are ice shards you retard
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>>47007791
Scolipede still can use its horns lime bovines. To stab.
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>>47007812
>lime bovines.
wat
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>>47007809
Then explain why a Pokémon such as pic-related that doesn't have any gems or crystals incorporated into its design is able to learn Power Gem.
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Why every reptile and even fishes learns Scale shot, but Salamence didn't
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>>47007860
It has gems- Noses
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>>47007817
Like
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>>47008194
Its not in SwSh
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>>47008231
>what is crown tundra
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>no Iron Tail even though tail-less Aron gets it
>no Aqua Tail even though tail-less Aron gets it
>no Power Whip even though Gyarados gets it
>no Earth Power despite everything under the sun getting it
>no Growth even though it has it in spinoffs
>got Lightningrod though Mega Evolution, no new Electric moves though despite Ground-type Rhydon getting Thunder, hope you like Thunderpunch
>No U-Turn, but Darmanitan, Hydreigon, Furfru, Diggersby, Clauncher and fucking Incineroar can have it
Somebody at game freak does not like the leaf lizard.
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>>47008310
Here at Game Freak, our passion is the VGC and maintaining balance for the meta. This is why Incineroar has over 50% usage rage, to maintain a balanced and healthy metagame.
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>>47008310
Wait this is a nimble mon. Wierd it has no U turn indeed
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>>46996941
I SAY ZAM (hey!) ZAM-A-ZENTA

THE WORST UBER GAMEFREAK EVER SENT YA

I SAY ZAM (ho!) ZAM-A-ZENTA

OU COUNCIL BANS HIM, NO ARGUMENTA

I SAY ZAM (hey!) ZAM-A-ZENTA

DON'T LEARN BODY PRESS AS HE SHOULDA MEANTA

I SAY ZAM (ho!) ZAM-A-ZENTA

HAS NO HOPE AT ALL OF QUELLING DISSENTAS
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>>47008310
Grass-types don't get moves, especially not mono-grass mons. You should know this by now.
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>>47000236
>100% chance to confuse target
Id be confused too if i got slugged by a wifi router with no arms
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>>47008310
Masuda didn't want it to overshadow Blaziken.
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>>47008194
cause he's a furry dragon
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>>47010108
Drampa learn scale shot too
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>>47010885
So does Reshiram.
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>>46998932
GameFreak doesn't believe in content or balancing updates, only updates to fix gamebreaking bugs that brick your Switch or corrupt saves.
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>>47005803
>has Iron Fist, which boosts the power of Ice Hammer and Hammer Arm
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>>47004184
Gen 7 had exclusive moves and/or abilities for each new Pokémon. Some of them have been distributed properly now but there are still a few that are stuck on their designated gimmick mons.
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>>47010108
But anon, that dragon learns scale shot.
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>>47005666
Maybe not all of them, but I could see it on Cacturne since its blood is literally sand. It would make sense on Hippowdon too, but there's probably a balancing issue there.

>>47006832
That used to be the case when it was Heracross' signature move, but the abundance of two horned pokemon that can learn it like Sawsbuck, Tapu Bulu, Bouffalant, Stantler, and Xerneas suggests otherwise now. Pinsir can just open its horns like it's going to grab and
then stab with one instead. Heck, it already gets Fury Attack as an egg move from Heracross, the move description referring to a horn or beak. The only reason I can think of for why it hasn't gotten Megahorn already is distinguishing it from Heracross since they're treated like counterparts, but this didn't stop them from doing things like giving Hitmonlee punching moves or Hitmonchan kicking moves. That or they think it would be too good on Mega Pinsir in the event that it returns.
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>>46999444
Which mon are you even referring to?
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>>47007623
Also, Dauntless shield increases both def and special def
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>>47012666
Not him but Alolan Ninetales.

>>46999444
Flamethrower is a decent coverage move against Steel though. Especially for a Pokémon that has a 4x weakness to said typing.
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>>47013456
>>46999444

Alolan Ninetales doesn't even get most of those moves
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>>47013456
A-Ninetales would have been great if the glitched one was still allowed.
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>>47007860
>missing the joke
I’ll clue you in this one time retard. The noses of the gears? In real life, those pieces are called “gems.” If a watch gear has blued gems, it means that those center pieces are blued from heating. It’s a play on words, something retards tend to not understand
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>>47007636
Wait, what?
Why tf would they even bother giving Power Gem to Klinklang when it isn't even a special attacker?
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>>47000438
Smogon gets points from me for using for using fan versions of models for some of their pages, I noticed it on Gallade too
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>>47013821
Because funny wordplay as explained by >>47013807
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>>47013821
>>47013807
Because it has “gems.”
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>>47013830
They're more fan poses.
Gardevoir and M-Absol have them as well. I think a couple of the Eevees do too.
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>>47013807
>they are not really actual gems, it's just a play on words
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO U CANT JUST ACT LIKE ICE CRYSTALS CAN BE USED AS GEMS BECAUSE T-THEY JUST DON'T OKAY!?
You are challenged.
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>>47013864
>still completely oblivious as to why one has a move called power gem and one doesn’t
Not only are you completely retarded, but you’re also new to pokemon if you think wordplay somehow isn’t one of the most important things in movesets and pokemon design. You need to go back
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Is this the worst offender?
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>>47013968
>wordplay
How about you instead do some roleplay and become my bitch and suck my dick while putting on some cute tranny clothes?
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>>46996941
Poison Fang and Poison Tail

I mean yeah, sure, he can learn them through breeding, but they really ought to be in his level up learn list.
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>>47014095
>retard is also a faggot
Who woulda guessed
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>>47006783
Leaving aside the fact that it has ice crystals all over its body, tell me where corsola, cursola, nosepass and gigalith's gems are.
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>>47014731
Not that guy butthe Corsala line's whole body is a gem since coral is used in jewels. Nosepass' nose is its gem, and the red/orange things on Gigalith are gems

However, there is no excuse for Aurorus not to learn Power Gem.
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>>47014105
Poison types have it rough in general.
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Did Game Freak think that it would be so broken?
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>>47015422
Reminds me of how Tapu Koko was originally going to be able to learn Close Combat and Play Rough via TR according to the Home datamine.
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This is so stupid. LOL
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>>47015443
The question is, does this data continue current hidden in the datamine?
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>>47013834
cute picture.
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>>47009272
Tangrowth is a fucking miracle.
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>>47015875
It seriously is. Compare its movepool to something like Lilligant or Lurantis.
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Centiskorch really needs U-turn.
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>>47015571
It seems disproven since Azumarill is said to learn High Horsepower in the datamine, but it doesn't in the final game. There's probably more inconsistencies than that, but I couldn't be bothered remembering.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200214093818/https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/hometm.shtml

>>47015465
Probably balancing around activating Berserk repeatedly while having better defensive typing and stats than Drampa.
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>>47015916
All of the Tapus were intended to get the respective terrain moves, along with Play Rough.
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>>47015857
Thanks
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>>47014029
that lil nibba needs all the help he can get
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>>47015916
They definitely did a double-take before they dropped the DLC, because that datamine was how I learned that fucking Raikou of all things gets Scald and it stayed in the final cut.
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>>47016367
There we also additions to it like Tyrantrum being able to learn Play Rough and Psychic Fangs (in addition to Close Combat and High Horsepower, which were in the datamine), when the data mine didn't initially show this.
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>>47008310
>mon with better special attack
>its signature move became physical the very next gen
>Game Freak still hasn't done a thing to fix it
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>>47016511
The VGC needs to be balanced so that Incineroar maintains its 50% usage rate. Sceptile's offensive stats being switched would ruin the metagame and cause Charizard's popularity to plummit.
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>>47016367
It does get a lot right, but it's hard to say if errors are evidence of falsity or proof that the devs did some tweaking. I suppose that applies to any leak, really,
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>>47016562
>>47015938
>>47015916
Idk but maybe in future games this data will be real. When the metagame will be more hard, Tapus will get terrain moves. Also Play Rough for Bulu and Koko
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>>47015916
The problem of G-Moltres with Roost would be solved if Play Rough's users would get Spirit Break
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Greninja does not get Knock Off, Nasty Plot, or Sucker Punch despite non-dark types getting it
Accelgor gets Water Shuriken via breeding with Greninja, but Greninja does not get Sludge Bomb (Poison is synonymous with ninjas). Also, Accelgor has Knock Off.
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>>47015443
>>47015938
It makes me wonder if the datamine was just wrong (which would be weird considering that it was mostly right) or if GF used comp players' reactions to the datamine to fix any mistakes they might have missed (which would be weird considering that that sounds way too smart for GF).
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>>47018314
Iteration is a big part of game design. It wasn't even part of the game either, just Home.
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>>47007152
>It's a boxer, why would it learn throwing
boxers do that all the time though
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>>47000399
Too bad Charizard can't boost effectively without his X Mega form. Zard is too fragile to run recovery, and he's a terrible Tailwind user as well. Just run it on Talonflame or Whimsicott instead.

Dragon Dance was only useful on physical Zard X. Swords Dance was also only usable on Zard X, but why bother when +1 with STAB and EQ is usually enough? Belly Drum was a meme. Unlike Azumarill, Diggersby, and Slurpuff, Zard X didn't get a speed boost or have priority to actually be able to take advantage of it, and wouldn't be able to hold a Sitrus Berry meaning to heal you have to waste a turn with Roost. Which you probably weren't doing because then you'd only have 2 attacking moves.
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>>47013807
Provide source, various well-known watchmaking groups I checked have no such term in their glossaries. Only explanations for the use of gemstones in the watches, which of course is completely unrelated to your claim.
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>>47000399
To be fair, Charizard needs those special snowflake forms to be good.
Typhlosion is better than base Zard.
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>>46996941
>defensive pokemon can't learn an offensive move
I don't get how this is a bad thing?

>>46998702
>>46999276
dude the Japanese name is FREEZING PUNCH it makes EVEN MORE sense for Kyurem to get it. Hell it even has arms on its base form.

>>46997604
This is the biggest omission. Game Freak are terrible devs.

>>46999390
It should get First Impression, but the others are questionable.

>>47000119
Yeah every pokemon with Eruption should get Earth Power.

>>47000356
I mean to be fair it's always slacking off, so that might be why.

>>47005883
That's odd. Rage Charmeleon should be legal as you could get one in RSE and even get one with its HA in the Gen 1 and 2 VCs. You sure you didn't inspect element that?

I'm tired of explaining pokemon lore to you fuckers.
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>>47005307
>special attack drop
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>>47014105
Many mons need to have their learnsets .
For example Ekans first moves should have been bite, coil, poison sting and wrap.
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>>47022961
*reworked
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>>47022853
>defensive pokemon can't learn an offensive move
It's not a defensive Pokémon. It doesn't learn any defensive or support move. It's clearly supposed to be played as a tank but also lacks most of the moves it would need to do that.
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>>47023181
anon it's literally a shield
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>>46997138
I'm fine with Rock having a gimmick of almost exclusively being physical attackers. But they have to stop making special rock-types if they're going that route.
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>>47000356
I think this one is just for balance, or perhaps to force the use of Rest.
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>>47001767
Having one crazy fuckoff move that relies on it moving before opponents and getting 1 hit KOs, and it being even better under the appropriate weather condition, is basically Dracovish's thing too. For whatever reason Scarf Dracovish is based beyond belief but Scarf Typhlosion is considered a meme.
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>>47004184
Accelerock was introduced as Lycanroc's signature move you fucking goofball.
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>>47023415

Eruption's Max Base Power 150 but its power wanes very quickly depending on how much HP the user loses.

Fishous Rend on the other hand, has a max base of 170 with the only requirement being that the user moves first, which is fairy easy to control.

As for the Pokémon, Typhlosion only has Eruption and has no recovery, so once its health goes down that's it. It technically has Burn Up too but that cant be used with Choice sets without switching. And it has the unholy triad of being weak to Earthquake, Scald and Stealth Rock. It also has no usable non Fire moves so anything that resists fire can switch in no problem. The only good thing about Typhlosion is Flash Fire but that's only worthwhile in Doubles where you can activate it.

Dracovish has Strong Jaw to make Fishous Rend even stronger. It also has an actual movepool so it can Outrage any Dragon or water types, or Ice Fang any Grass types.

Essentially, Typhlosion got beaten to death with the nerf hammer even though Eruption is balanced already, so now its stuck as a meme to be shat on by Smogon.

Meanwhile, Game Freak clearly wanted to shill Dracovish and didn't care how broken it was so it gets to be a Pokemon instead of a punchline.
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>>47023374
Or you know, more special Rock-type moves. Diamond Storm bring physical was dumb but at least Diancie's special and physical attack stats are identical to each other, being 100 (or 160 if mega evolved). Aurorus on the other hand just got shitted on with only Ancient Power until gen 8 where it got Meteor Beam via Move Tutor (Isle of Armor) and that is a two-turn move with 95% accuracy.

There are only three special Rock-type moves:
Ancient Power* (60 BP, 5 PP, 10% chance per use to raise all the user's stats, 100% accuracy)
Meteor Beam* (110 BP, 10 PP, 2-turn move that raises special attack on the first turn, 95% accuracy for second turn)
Power Gem (80 BP, 10 PP, no additional effects with 100% accuracy)

* = can be learned by Aurorus

More special Rock-type moves wouldn't be game-breaking.
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>>46996941
Empoleon should have got roost like all the other birds
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>>46999390
>U-Turn
This was unforgivable, considering its Mega Evolution could fly.
>Leech Life
They're extremely selective about what gets this move, and even then their picks don't always make sense (see: Incineroar)
>Megahorn
It doesn't have horns, it has pincers. Everything that learns this move has a horn, or horn-like spears in the case of Escavalier.
>First Impression
Eh, fair.
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>>47008310
>>47016511
>They make a special grass move of equivalent power in the same gen Leaf Blade goes physical
>Only Treecko gets it through normal levelling
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>>47015422
Lmao the funny thing is Lele and Fini can learn it
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>>47024307
If you mean Energy Ball, that move has 80 BP while Leaf Blade originally had 70 and became 90 in Gen 4, and Energy Ball was a TM in that gen.
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>>47024345
Didn't realize gen 6 buffed it.
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>>47024272
Pinsir doesn't get U-Turn because he never runs away.
He should get No Retreat once they distribute that move.
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>>47024339
Lele and Fini are irresponsible females who spend all of their time playing rough with human men.
Koko and Bulu are male, so they do their job by fighting alien cockroaches/mosquitoes and destroying supermarkets. They have no time to frolic (play rough's Japanese name)
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>>47023415
Dracovish is just way stronger.
But yes, they are basically the same concept of just spamming one move.
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>>47024988
Yet Zamzenta, Mightyena and copperajah can use it
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>>47025753
Play Rough got an increased distribution in gen 8, like Close Combat and Psychic Fangs.
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>>47015422
I'm more salty about no grassy glide.
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>>47025753
Zamazenta, Mightyena, and Copperajah all fuck human men as well.
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>>47000438
To be fair, Typh wasn't good in Gen 7 NU at all
>Although Typhlosion has access to Eruption, passable coverage, and a solid Speed tier, it falls short as a wallbreaker due to it failing to reliably break bulky Water-types like Vaporeon and Slowking as well as other Fire-resistant Pokemon such as Hariyama and Druddigon. >Additionally, Typhlosion faces immense competition as a Fire-type from Magmortar and Delphox.
>Magmortar is a better wallbreaker due to its greater Special Attack and coverage options, while Delphox is much more versatile, being able to employ multiple sets effectively.
And not in the RU tier back in Gen 6 either:
>Typhlosion is a Pokemon with little to no incentive to be used. Though it functions decently on its own as an offensive Fire-type, it has little to differentiate itself from other Fire-types in the tier such as Delphox, Houndoom, and Emboar, all of which offer far more utility than it.
>Typhlosion's main selling point is Eruption; however, being easily worn down by entry hazards and common priority moves such as Sucker Punch and Aqua Jet makes it difficult for Typhlosion to keep its health high enough to utilize it effectively.
This makes me wonder why Typh isn't PUBL or PU in Gen 7 or NUBL or NU in Gen 6. Did its fanbase really carry it to high enough usage to avoid that?
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>>47027120
Forgot this line from Gen 7 NU Typhlosion:
>Do not ever use this Pokemon with the intent of winning games.
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>>47027120
Typhlosion has always been a retard magnet, but to be fair in gen 7 it used to be PUBL at some point. It rose to NU after being banned from PU.
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>>47023359
and it doesn't play like a shield, what gives?
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>>47027273
This got me interested in looking up how well the fire starters have done(and are doing) in each gen. Might post something about it later.
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>>47027412
Charizard has gotten better.
Typhlosion is shit.
Blaziken was okay, then amazing, and has evened out to pretty good.
Infernape was great and then pretty good.
Emboar is shit.
Delphox is shit.
Incineroar is god-tier in VGC.
Cinderace is demigod-tier in BSS.
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>>47027524
>Charizard has gotten better.
Only for a short while when it had megas.
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>>47027541
it was viable in OU for a while before heatran returning completely killed sun. Or at least that's what I think did it. Don't quite remember.
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>>46996941
This one.
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>>47027273
>Typhlosion has always been a retard magnet,
Not really, the same thing happened during gen 7 in PU happened to it during Gen 6 in NU. It was banned from NU and wound up in NUBL so people had to use it in RU.


http://pokemon-online.eu/threads/31354/
What's funny is that this is the prefect example of an actual problem with Smogon, but Yawn John Silver would false flag about shit noone cares about.
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>>47027524
I've been quite surprised by some of the stuff I've found.
So far:
>Gen 1
Charizard: Not OU tiered. Wasn't terrible as Fire-types go, but none of them were good enough to even have a niche in OU. Gen 1 UU is not a good place for it either since Tentacruel runs it with an iron fist.
>Gen 2
Charizard: UUBL. High risk, high reward. Ranked 29th(C2 Rank) on the OU Viability list. Not great, but not bad. Highest ranked fire-type(Moltres is 30).
Typhlosion: One of the worst mons in the same tier, at Rank 55/60(E2 Rank).
>Gen 3
Charizard: UUBL. Still high risk, high reward. Surprisingly the highest ranked of the three Fire starters(D1 Rank). Second best Fire-type in the tier behind Moltres.
Typhlosion: UUBL. Not even on the viability ranking, which doesn't bode well.
Blaziken: UUBL. More immediate power than Zard, but slower. Ranked D3 on the current viability ranking.
>Gen 4
Charizard: NU. Generally considered the best mon in the tier.
Typhlosion: NU. Eruption finally arrives. Typhlosion is very good in this tier(A Rank) and is considered quite dangerous, but not quite on par with Charizard or Magmortar. Good Choice Item user.
Blaziken: UU. Great wallbreaker in the tier and at A Rank in the viability list for this tier. Not the highest ranked Fire Type in the tier though(Moltres and Arcanine are S Rank).
Infernape: OU. Used to be considered one of the best mon in the tier, but is struggling at the moment. Is holding an A+ Rank(More or less Top 10) in the viability ranking, but most people in that thread want to move it all the way down into B+(Barely Top 30).
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>>47027776
>Not really, the same thing happened during gen 7 in PU happened to it during Gen 6 in NU. It was banned from NU and wound up in NUBL so people had to use it in RU.
That still makes it a retard magnet because usually people don't use bad BL mons in a tier just because it's the only place where the mon is allowed (Charizard itself being evidence of that).
>What's funny is that this is the prefect example of an actual problem with Smogon
It's a system designed to classify empirically hundreds of Pokémon and you can count cases like Typhlosion on two hands.
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>>47027524
>Emboar is shit.
Its solid. It really would be better as special attacker.
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>>47027925
>Gen 5
Charizard: NU. Top 5 mon in the tier, S-Rank, and the best fire-type in the tier by a mile- the rest don't show up until the B-Rank.
Typhlosion: RU. Fairly niche in the tier, but has a place. It sits at a B Rank alongside Magmortar, outdone by a bunch of fellow Fire-types- Emboar and Entei in A Rank as well as the S-Ranked Moltres.
Combusken: Now making a name for itself in NU as one of the better Fire-types not named Charizard... though probably still worse than both fellow B-Rank mons Camerupt and Torkoal.
Blaziken: Uber. Speed Boost arrives, making the chicken too strong for standard play. Fairly middling in Ubers(Mid B Rank, somewhere in the 35-45 range)
Infernape: OU. Not good enough to even be on the most recent viability list. Outclassed even by Victini(UU mon) and with no niche like Moltres(RU mon, but good on rain teams). Probably should be UU or UUBL, honestly.
Emboar: RU. The last of the three truly good Fire-types in the tier, it sits at a nice A-Rank. Fighting type does a lot for it, keeping it from being entirely eclipsed by Entei and Moltres.
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>>47028224
>Gen 6
Charizard: NU. Very good in its own tier(A Rank), though no longer the best Fire-type in it- that honor now going to Magmortar. Faces competition from fellow A Rank Pyroar.
Mega-Charizard X: OU. Can run both offensive setup sets and bulky sets. The lower ranked of the two Megas, sitting in B Rank.
Mega-Charizard Y: OU. Weather setter and wallbreaker. The higher ranked of the two Megas, sitting in B+ Rank.
Typhlosion: RU. The only mon in the lowest Rank D-, it is outright considered the "worst of the worst".
Combusken: PU. Very solid in the tier, second best Fire-type. Rank A. Can actually do some work in NU too(B Rank there).
Blaziken: Uber. Not super strong in the tier, but not useless. Rank C+.
Mega-Blaziken: Uber. Lower Rank than standard Blaziken, as giving up another Mega is too big a cost.
Monferno: PU. The best Fire-type in the tier. Rank A.
Infernape: UU. Good mon on paper, but has problems finding spots on teams, and Entei takes the top spot among UU Fire-types. B Rank.
Emboar: RU. Powerful Wallbreaker. The #1 Fire Type in the tier. Rank A-.
Delphox: RU. Solid Fire-type in the tier, thanks to speed and special attack. Runs Calm Mind and Scarf sets. Rank B.
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>>47028233
Not doing Gen 8.
>Gen 7
Charizard: PUBL. Sits at an umpressive C Rank in NU, outclassed badly by both Delphox and Magmortar, not to mention Tier King Incineroar.
Mega-Charizard X: OU. Now the higher ranked, sitting in B+ Rank.
Mega-Charizard Y: OU. Now the lower ranked, sitting in B- Rank.
Typhlosion: NU. Sits at a D Rank in the tier, even below Charizard.
Combusken: PU. Very solid in the tier, considered the second best Fire-type behind Simisear. Rank A-.
Blaziken: Uber. Weak within the tier, sitting in the lowest viability tier of D.
Mega-Blaziken: Uber. Rank C+. If you are using Blaziken in this gen, it is probably a MegaKen.
Infernape: UU. After some struggles in recent times in gen 5 and 6, Infernape can at least feel good about the fact that it is very good in Gen 7 OU. The best Fire-type in the tier, in fact. A Rank.
Emboar: NUBL. Too strong for NU, but not exactly cut out for RU. C- Rank.
Delphox: NU. Very versatile, and fulfills different roles compared to the #1 Fire-type in the tier(Incineroar). A- Rank.
Incineroar: NU. The best and most commonly used mon in the tier. S Rank. Can be a Wallbreaker or Defensive Pivot, has wide coverage and a good defensive typing and Intimidate on top of all that.
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>>47027949
>(Charizard itself being evidence of that).
Charizard got golden parachute special snowflake forms so it never has to have to the dishonor of being "the worse of the worse" in any tier.

>It's a system designed to classify empirically hundreds of Pokémon
That;s still not an excuse, It they have time to write its Cursed Smogon page, they have time to revoke the bans they never should have make in the first place.
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>>47028348
>Charizard got golden parachute special snowflake forms
Charizard is just one example, if you prefer I can mention Archeops or Lilligant.
>they have time to revoke the bans they never should have make in the first place.
Typhlosion DID deserve its bans and being unusable in the upper tier does not exempt it from that.

I know who you are. Next you'll write some inane nonsense on how it could not have possibly deserved a ban from a tier with no good Fire resists because "it only learns Eruption".
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>>47028348
>Charizard got golden parachute special snowflake forms
That were taken away lol
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>>46999276
it should have had Icicle Crash from day 1
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>>47028481
Look, I admit to underselling Typhlosion in the past, but even looking at the suspect ban from Gen 6 NU it seems a good portion of the discussion is on my side, Even though Typhlosion can be dangerous, there are many aways to deal with it (too reliant on prediction, too much support, destroyed to priority, rocks, fairly common checks, Specs is too slow, Scarf is too weak, etc). Also, the ban was extremely close (4-3) and two of the people who voted ban were extremely on the fence about it. Then a similar thing happened again the generation after.

I just want to point out that the only reason I'm harping on about Typhlosion specifically is because they themselves say DO NOT EVER USE THIS POKEMON. Those are their words not mine. There's no ambiguity in that statement, do not ever use this pokemon in this teir even though we at Smogon decided to make it unusable in the tier it was actually good in.
Either 1) they just hate Typhlosion specifically (probably no this), or 2) BL as a concept is flawed and need to be reworked somehow.
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>>47027619
Heatran didn't killed sun, Tyranitar did.
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And Meganium doesn't get Sleep Powder because....
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>>47027619
This. Heatran fucks Charizard so hard that it makes Stealth Rock blush.
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>>47009468
kek
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>>47028243
Apparently I missed Gen 7 ZU:
Combusken is one of the two best mons in it(S Rank), and Monferno hangs in the B Rank(beaten by fellow Fire-types Rapidash and Simisear in A-).
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>>47015465
Literally swept a team with porygon2 when I traced off of G-Moltres and used recover to activate the ability several times.
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>>46996941
I'd love Typhlosion to get Special Electric moves (or even just Zing Zap), but Delphox's relative lack of coverage feels weirder fluffwise. You'd expect a mage to get more "spells" like Blizzard/Thunder/Hurricane.
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>>46996941
Doesn't learn Ingrain
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>>46996941
Doesn't get Skill Swap.
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>>46996941
Doesn't receive Encore.
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>>46996941
Doesn't acquire Rest.
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>>46998775
ekans and altaria always stuck in my mind as 2 things which get earthquake and shouldn't. dang if they get it, so should entei
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>>47033135
>>47033144
>>47033153
>>47033164
>>47033173
Goddammit anon, we almost hit turn 5.
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>>47033078
But then it might be better than Greninja.
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>>47004003
Sand Tomb was literally made for this family line anon
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>>47033078
Electro-ball would be the best option for Typhlosion. It gets Gyro-Ball and Rollout so it actually fits thematically., my as well let it learn the one ball move it can actually use.
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definitely could've been dealt a worse hand but its pretty weird how little they gave it that works with Technician compared to other mos with the same ability. that and not giving it dual water/fighting typing
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>>47008242
>fake fanfic shit
doesn't count
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>>47004003
bUT tHAt WoUlD bE tOO mUCh lIKE GaRChoMP!!!

I'd also suggest Quiver Dance as that would set it apart from Garchomp big time. Flygon can make good use of Earth Power and Dragon Pulse after a +1 to special attack, not to mention a +1 to speed and special defence as well.

>inb4 volcorona does it better
It's called giving Flygon some uniqueness to it to better sperate it from Garchomp.

>inb4 ice beam lol
Focus Shash? Yache Berry? Garchomp also has a 4x weakness to cold water.

>inb4 it's still a shit garchomp lololol
Then going by this logic, Pokémon that are outclassed and inferior to others in battle shouldn't receive any buffs at all?
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>>47034348
Uh no it wasn’t sweatie
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>>47034366
he should be Water/Fighting and able to learn Storm throw and aqua jet
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>>47034416
Quiver Dance is given to butterflies and moths, with exactly 3 exception.
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>>47022853
>defensive pokemon can't learn an offensive move
>I don't get how this is a bad thing?
People were pissed when Kommo-o couldn't learn Close Combat when gen 7 came out, and that was a defensively-oriented Pokémon.

USUM corrected this.
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>>47022853
>I mean to be fair it's always slacking off, so that might be why.
Slack Off literally originated with the Slakoth line.
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>>47033173
Altaria not being able to learn ELECTRIC ATTACKS makes me mad
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>>47034366
Why the fuck it has technician though? Because it has multiple arms?

It should get Swift Swim,
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>>47004003
Lets start it should have been special oriented to make it different than any other dragon.
Also Quiverdance that should have been a move it learns after evolving in Vibrava
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>>47032623
WTF, you gave me a idea
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>>47034719
Special version of Dragon Dance that only Flygon can learn.
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>>47004003
>based on the life cycle of an antlion
This just reminds me of how I wish GF was ballsy enough to make a Pokemon that gets weaker as it evolves.
Same way an antlion gets weaker when it becomes an adult.
Vibrava and Flygon should've been worse than Trapinch.
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>>47035999
Or even better: make them special attackers
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>>47015875
And Rillaboom, too.
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>>47037595
Typhlosionfag would blow a gasket if this happened.
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>>47037604
True, lmao though, Typhlosion also deserves some buffs. Eruption is a cool move
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Zangoose can't learn Cut
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>>47037595
>>47037604

Tail Glow= Firefly light
It's meant to refer specifically to light produced by luminescence (biochemical/electrical) rather than incandescence (heat). If anything Chinchou/Lanturn should get it.

What's funny is that Charizard gets so much love from Game Freak that it already learns every thematically appropriate move for it. And Charizard is already a Direct upgrade from Typhlosion in every way, It even got a slightly weaker Earth Power with a burn chance. And Fun fact: Weather Ball+ Solar Power already does exactly the amount Eruption does without relying on health.

If you want to make Typhlosionfag seethe while being lore accurate, give Charizard Competitive (the dex goes on about how it flies around the sky in search of powerful opponents).


>>47037751
I posted this somewhere before, may as well post it here. Here's all the Moves Typhlosion weirdly doesn't get that it should have.

>The Volcano Pokémon
No Earth Power, No Ancient Power, No Stealth Rock

>Volcanoes are among the loudest sounds in nature
No Boomburst or HyperVoice

>Is A Honey Badger
No Snarl, No Hone Claws

>Other Johto Starters and Charizard Get Swords Dance
No Swords Dance for Typhlosion

>Quilava is explicitly described as nimble and Ash’s Cyndaquil regularly used Agility
No Agility, No Extreme Speed

>Other Pokémon with Flash Fire in the same egg group as Typhlosion (Arcanine and Ponyta) get Morning Sun
No Morning Sun

>Named TyphLOSION
Doesn't Get Explosion

>Is The Zodiac Rat and based on a hinezumi
Not even Super Fang

>The Zodiac Rat won the Zodiac Race by Tricking the Ox, Weasels (Quilava) are Tricksters, and Honey Badgers are Rage Incarnate
No Nasty Plot

>Gets Gyro Ball and Rollout (which are useless on it)
No Electro-ball, (This is is more forgivable since nearly everything that gets it is Electric type but come on, why deny it of the only ball move that's usable on it).
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>>47004003
>>47035999
>What is Arena Trap
People were using the baby form of a 3-stage line just because Arena Trap was so good. How many species can say that?
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>>47008194
Was there any previous indication that salamence had scales? Maybe it’s just an amphibian.
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>>47038311
But Chorizo is a Fire/Flying-Type not Dragon, because Game Freak = Gay Freak
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>>47008310
It does get iron tail
Also reminder that sceptile only needs to learn 1 move to get good: belly drum
But that’s more of a move that it wants than it is shocking it doesn’t have
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>>47006453
magnezone is still meta but it isn’t fun to use now that specs is unviable dogshit, you have to run the most bastard set to kill ferro. even when zone had fire moves ferrothorn could still beat scarf with leech seed plus protect
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>>47005532
>>47022897
No? Because it's not losing magnet pull.
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>>47006453
Electronics can easily overheat by creating a short.
>>47006466
The JP name is "Firefly light" but that still doesn't really translate well. I think it specifically refers to chemical bioluminescence, which is why Manaphy is able to get it. If that's the case though Lantern and Huntail should really get it too.
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>>47038484
>Also reminder that sceptile only needs to learn 1 move to get good: belly drum
Nah, just switch Sceptile's Attack and Special Attack. There's no reason for Scept to be a special attacker, first and foremost. Not in terms of gameplay, or even lore
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>>47038767
>The JP name is "Firefly light" but that still doesn't really translate well. I think it specifically refers to chemical bioluminescence
Which Ampharos can't do?
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>>47039265
Sceptile doesn't learn any good special moves. It already has a great suite of physical ones.
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>>47039329
That's what I'm saying. Game Freak should make it a physical attacker, by swapping it's attacking stats
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>>47039336
I didn't fully comprehend your post until I had already made my own.
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>>47035999
They already did
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>>47034464
Slakoth isn't always slacking off, it slacks off every other turn which means it has the ability to slack off instead of doing it's big powerful attack. Snorlax is always slacking off.
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>>46997138
>It fucking took until gen 8 for it to get Aurora Veil when it should have been able to learn it starting in gen 6
Anon... Aurora Veil is a gen 7 move
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>A literal butterflyfish
>Bioluminescent
>Gets neither Quiver Dance nor Tail Glow
Probably the only moves that would have made it relevant at all.
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>>47038737
>he actually uses magnet pull
embarrassing
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>>47005883
The Charmander line does get rage by level up until RSE. The move is just not in gen 8 for some reason.
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>>47039273
Stupid pink alley cat.
Go eat a fish, stinky.
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>>47038767
>Firefly light
Then Charizard should get it, since it's Fire/Flying.
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This is what happens when u are a retarded dev team listening to competitivefags. Especially when u want to make new moves (which don't need to exist) every time a new GAME comes out.
I would personally ditch competitive balance and give pokemon each move they should logically learn
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>>47044929
What's wrong with having new moves though? Just don't use them.
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>>47033173
But Altaria does Earthquake.
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>>47045775
Yeah, but it's a fucking cloud. How does it make sense for it to get Earthquake?
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>>47046932
>Yeah, but it's a fucking cloud. How does it make sense for it to get Earthquake?
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>>47043637
Should be Fire/Dragon
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OMP OMP OMP
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>>47045735
Missed the point.
And most of the moves just do not need to exist cause it bloats the game and leads to them having animated all 800 moves.
Tell me. Why should a game have 800 moves?
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>>47047132
>Why should a game have 800 moves?
Because it's an RPG first, and a multiplayer game second. Some progression to moves is necessary.
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>>47047148
No game should be multiplayer second, if it's just gonna sacrifice the balancing and overall fun of the online competitive mode
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>>47047159
The only good multiplayer modes are ones that were tacked-on at the end of development.
not that it applies to pokemon lol
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>>47047148
U don't get it, do u?
Why is signal beam removed when we have both Jaw lock & Crunch, Spirit break & Play Rough, U-turn & Flip-Turn?
They are a lot of redundant moves
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>>47047159
Go away, you must be adult to be on 4chan.
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>>47047241
Different damage, types, or effects.
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>>47046988
Landorus is a cloud that grounds, not a cloud that dragons.
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>>47047247
You must be an adult to suck your dad's dick
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>>47047159
>No game should be multiplayer second
Go away, you are the reason why I haven't touched a modern game in almost a decade.
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>>47047290
Oh yeah you're absolutely right, different typing, damage and effect, unlike Signal Beam.
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>>47047368
Signal Beam shouldn't have been cut. Arguably, none of the moves should have been.
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>>46996941
Flareon didn't get Flare Blitz until Gen VI
Garbodor doesn't get Poison Jab
Typhlosion doesn't get... anything
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>>47047989
What does Garbodor have to jab with? Its gas pump hands?
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>>47048245
Yes, attached to literal garbage and probably coated in nasty trash juice.
If fucking Primeape can get Poison Jab, so too should Garbodor.
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>>47047989
>>47048245
>>47048289
Just to note, Poison Jab is called "Poison Stab" in japanese, so arguing about punches doesn't really accomplish anything when cases like Bulletproof show that the japanese meaning controls. Honestly, it just makes it make less sense, but maybe Garbodor has a shiv in its garbage or something.
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>>47000356
>it's the year 2132
>Classic CurseLax is still the best Snorlax moveset
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>>47048717
You can stab with a blunt object and it will still hurt, it's just blunt force as opposed to force that can puncture. Regardless, it's still given pretty liberally to a lot a Pokémon that definitely have no means of producing puncture force, like the aforementioned Primeape. To not give it to Garbodor, especially with that taken into account, is just silly.
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>>47039265
The extra 20 base attack wouldn't help it nearly as much as belly drum + unburden would
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LET DIANCIE USE THE SWORD FROM THE ORAS TRAILER
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>>47005803
>Ice Hammer and Hammer Arm have the same animation but with different color
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>>47008310
>fucking Gyarados can learn Power Whip
What? Does it attack with its fucking whiskers?
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>>47050301
Home lists it for Gliscor too.
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>>46997138
it has no gems on its body
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>>46999390
why DOESN'T it get megahorn? thats its whole thing?
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>>47006783
>>47050328
I am pretty sure I remember seeing something on the official Pokémon site about Aurorus's gems being the source of its power. Conviently enough, I can't find it.
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>>47022853
>to be fair it's always slacking off, so that might be why.
so is slaking
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>>47047377
At least with some moves, I understand even if I don't agree.
Hidden Power would give any Pokemon access to any Max move. And Pursuit's interaction with Dynamax's priority was probably fucky.
But with Signal Beam, there's no reason.
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>>46999390
>>47050352
Because pincers aren't horns, those things on his head are teeth, if anything he should get leech life.
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>>47051826
Maybe make it so that HP is basically just a typed version of Max Strike to make it balanced, I guess.
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>>47051826
>Hidden Power would give any Pokemon access to any Max move.
It was treated as normal for Z-moves.
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>>47051893
That's the smart and obvious solution, but I guarantee that as soon as the question came up amongst GF's staff, they just said, "fuck it, remove the move".
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>>47051864
>Because pincers aren't horns, those things on his head are teeth, if anything he should get leech life.
About that:
>Gold: With its horns, it digs burrows to sleep in at night.
>Ruby: It can grip a foe weighing twice its weight in its horns and easily lift it.
>Sapphire: Pinsir has a pair of massive horns. Protruding from the surface of these horns are thorns.
>FireRed: Its two long pincer horns are powerful.
>HeartGold: With its horns, it digs burrows to sleep in at night.
>SoulSilver: It swings its long pincer horns wildly to attack.
>Y: It swings its long antlers wildly to attack.
>Omega Ruby: It can grip a foe weighing twice its weight in its horns
>Alpha Sapphire: Pinsir has a pair of massive horns. Protruding from the surface of these horns are thorns.
>Moon: One solid blow from its horns is enough to split apart a large tree.
Mega Pinsir
>Sun: It pierces enemies with its two large horns before shredding them.
>LGPE: With its vaunted horns, it can lift an opponent 10 times heavier than itself and fly about with ease.
It really should get Megahorn and Leech Life.
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>>46996941
>Learns two special fire moves and flame charge but no flare blitz or blaze kick
>Learns thrash but no play rough or Close combat or even outrage
>No U-turn to have a switching move other than volt
>Not even fucking high horsepower
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>>47053170
Just another Pokémon that is on Game Freak's shit-list. The only time when a Pokémon has a good, versatile movepool is if they want it to be popular. This is blatantly obvious with some Pokémon more than others.
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>>46996941
>Primarina Boomburst
>Lele Expanding Force
>Machamp Fissure
my waifus deserve better
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>>47053304
>Prima: already excellent
>Lele: already the best Tapu and pretty much the Goddess of OU
>Champ: deserves something after being mogged by Conk for a decade, but Fissure + No Guard is Cancer

Take you meds
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>>47053304
Those would all just be broken.
Especially Machamp.
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>>47051864
>those things on his head are teeth
Then what's that thing under its eyes.
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>>47053170
It's not even in gen 8 to get Blaze Kick.





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