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Reminder that foxes are dogs and rats are echidna’s
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>>46783143
You failed to remind me that Lizards are Dragons. Oh wait
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snake's up next
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>>46783143
>b-but "Fire Mouse Pokémon"
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>>46783781
This implies that something or someone is intentionally putting meteors in specific places. Did you really think that was a good comparison?
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>>46783177
That's a pretty good design
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>>46784067
It's the trajectory you lobotomite
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>>46783781
Holy patternfag cope, posting that is even more pathetic than wojakposting
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>>46783781
what happens in gen 13?
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>>46785169
region on mars
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>>46785209
A whole planet of Deoxyses
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>>46785083
And yet you retards still can't help but cry over this, because you're too EOP to recognise this shit doesn't operate under western mentalities. Like you in a ladies locker room, it's irrelevant to the group.
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>>46785791
So is Fennekin also a Raccoon? Where is that on the zodiac?
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>46785861
Dunno kid, if you learned a little about other cultures though, you'd understand it makes sense to the Japanese.
But you're still angrily pulling the 'tard card and thinking you have le ebin argument-ender. Educate yourself, you horrific excuse for a human being.
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>>46783143
>ox
>horse
>goat
>snake
Surely they can't make any of these bipedal, right guys?
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>>46785989
They made a pig bipedal
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>>46783143
If they go Ox, I want a Minotaur final evo.
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>>46783143
Yeah
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>>46785989
>what is the Minotaur?
>>46786016
I'd say that'll be likely, not much else they can do, or else it risks looking like Tauros and remember "tHeY cAn'T mAkE a FiRe HoRsE bEcAuSe PoNyTa" so it's absolutely going to be bipedal.
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>>46783168
loss
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>>46783168
I don’t get it
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I can't wait for the generation where the final evolution types would be:
Fire / Water
Water / Grass
Grass / Fire
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>>46785989
they won't make the snake bipedal but they will make it a naga
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>>46785893
You didn't answer my question. Do Japanese people think Fennekin is a raccoon? Do you?
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>Manatees in english are called 'sea cows', hence cow! It totally makes sense, guys, I'm totally not Qanon reading too much it's a bull in the US!
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Tried to come up with concepts a couple of days ago, absolutely no bipedal fire starter allowed.
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>>46787817
This would be interesting
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>>46786016
>>46786102
>Minotaur with fire on its back or some shit

Yawn.
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>>46788013
Order sirenia in Japanese is called 海牛, literally sea cow
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>>46787991
Nice way to ignore my point. They'll accept them, because they understand Game Freak been working off the Zodiac since Gen I, they recognise the pattern. I mean, half of the Zodiac have Gen I reps ANYWAY, backing up Morimoto's avatar claim in USM HE wanted to get a rep for every Zodiac animal.
I know you're too retarded to make connections, so I'll fill you in - that was the Gen they removed a bear as Fire starter for one they called a Nezumi (even adding it to 'Year of the Rat' promo art each time they've celebrated the Rat's year).
>Dragon - Gyarados
>Horse - Ponyta
>Pig - Piloswine
>Dog - Growlithe
>Rabbit - Azumarill
>Sheep - Mareep
>Rat - Rattata
>Monkey - Mankey
>Snake - Ekans
>Ox -Tauros
>Tiger - Raikou
>Rooster - Ho-Oh
But anon can't handle the facts: that inspiration takes many forms, can't handle the devs have a different mentality, mindset and culture, can't handle instead of just taking a single-serve set of designs they decided to use it further. I mean, it did mean they didn't have to bother about thinking of base designs for Fire starters, which means they've been a hell of a lot more complete than the rest (like when they turned an otter into a sea-lion hybrid, because they had no where to go with it that wasn't "it just gets bigger" territory).
I've no doubt you're going to continue to cry like a retard, even when Gen IX adds yet another rep, you'll never accept it, even if it waltzed up to up slapped your girlfriend's arse and gave you a frenchie.
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>>46788074
So you're so deluded and married to this retarded theory you'd argue a fucking slug is a cow before admitting you're wrong? Take a step back and think critically for a second
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>>46788095
There's no need to resort to insults, it's a simple question. If you told someone this was a raccoon, how would they react?
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IMHO the simplest explanation is they use the Zodiac as a primary source of inspiration but don't feel beholden to it. Good chances they'll ditch it before doing the 12 ones because bipedal sheep, ox and horse in a row is too boring even for them.
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>>46788101
>literally
You keep using that word like it's actually what's going on
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>>46788095
Or that you're using said culture as an excuse to buffer your own stance by going "those wacky Japs and their disregard of taxonomy! What, are you one of those philistines who isn't knee deep in the weeb hole?" Despite your claim of foxes being treated as equivalent to dogs going against all of Japanese mythology and cultural norms.

>>46785989
Anon, look up Gozuki and Mezuki. Personally, I'm fine with bipedal fire since it keeps us from getting garbage like the Pyroar line.
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>>46788107
That's why you do a Ram, a Minotaur and a Centaur
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>>46788117
>Despite your claim of foxes being treated as equivalent to dogs going against all of Japanese mythology and cultural norms
There's no taxonomic split between canine, canid, and dog in Japanese. They're all called inuka, doglike / dog-family. In One Piece, literally the most popular Japanese manga until last year, the Fox fruit is a variant of the Dog fruit and the Giraffe fruit is a variant of the Ox fruit. Only autists are upset about this non-issue.
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>>46783177
That's a pretty awful design
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How many generations until denialfags admit defeat?
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>>46783177
That's a pretty shitty design.
Edgy designs are trash.
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>>46788150
Never. Gamefreak could do a victory lap with other zodiacs and denialfags would still shitpost about it
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>>46788104
>STILL fucking arseraped over this
Like I keep trying to tell you, you retarded little fuck, YOUR mentality doesn't feed into how Eastern born-and-bred people see the world and as they're the ones who create Pokémon, what they decide (for their fantastical, magical universe) is ultimately THEIR decision. It doesn't matter what you or I both think, we're not elevens and we don't work at Game Freak, this shit works to them. But you'd understand that, you had an inkling they make these games for nips, not us even if they do take our money for it.
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>>46785169
The starters will be palette swapped Charizard.
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>>46788176
You're the only angry one here, I'm just waiting for an answer to that very easy question.
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>>46788227
Not her but you're retarded for thinking that a raccoon dog is anything like a regular raccoon
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>>46783143
>gen 9
>introducing fire hippopotamus starter
>hippopotamus means river horse
>therefore horse slot filled
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>>46788266
>hippo with fire inside mouth
I'd use it
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>th-they'll TOTALLY break the attern
>like they were supposed to in VIIII but changed their minds
>and in VII till Masuda told them to change
>And in V until turner told them to change
And Tajiri told them to change the ear to a rat in Gen II, so it's ot as if there's form for sticking to the pattern. Everyone says he's autistic anyway, it's probaby him mandating this and there's no cunt senior enough to tell 'em no.
Or Occam's razor says they intend it to play out like this and somehow I think that's more believable.
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>>46788301
Pattern was broken on the second entry and you're still coping with it.
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>Gen 13
>it's a rat
What now?
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>46788310
Sorry, I wasn't one of these sad fuckers, which one were you by the way? I know you're up here, you're still acting like this here and now in '21.
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>>46787817

>Grass / Fire
>Water / Grass
>Fire / Fighting
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>>46788243
But it has raccon right in the name, next to dog, so if it is a dog it is logically also a raccoon.
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>>46788310
Or were you one of these lads? Mind, anon called it correctly anyway, after all.
>https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/37264448/#q37269410
Welp, we got the rabbit and people are still in denial.
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>>46788356
Do EOPs really?
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>>46788553
I'm not the one who created that logic. According to this anon >>46785791 Japanese people would see a Fox as a dog because it has the word dog in its name. It makes sense with that logic that they would also see it as a raccoon.
In case you haven't realized it yet, I'm using humor to show the flaw in their thinking. This idea only works if you have confirmation bias for the zodiac theory, because you have to choose to accept one part and ignore another for it to make sense.
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>n-no, I'm not retarded, I'm just insisting my point of view's correct
>despite me being white, western and critically, as old as the franchise itself because I cant handle it any other way in clear disconnect to the people working on it
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>>46788829
Fox doesn't have dog in its name in Japanese, you big nerd. Raccoon dog is the English name, not the Japanese name.
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>>46788350
Fuck off.
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>>46788929
There's literally a picture in tue post i linked to showing the translation, which is what they used to justify the "dog" part.
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>>46789006
I don't give a shit what they're claiming. The core of the argument is people who are fine with Japanese wordplay and artistic license vs people who can't handle that. No amount of shitposting is going to change that.
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>>46788101
We literally had an example of this where they gave Manaphy Tail Glow (Firefly Glow) because the species it's based on is one of the three or four different luminescent sea creatures that Japan calls "sea fireflies".
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>>46788266
Its so funny to see denialfags using the same pathetic copes over and over again
>just w-wait, it'll be a kangaroo and people will call it a rabbit because it j-jumps
*scorebunny revealed less than 24 hours later*
>NOOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING
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>>46789086
I am fine with Japanese wordplay, and it says Fennekin is a raccoon. If you think that sounds ridiculous maybe you actually aren't.
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>>46789320
Again, the association between raccoon dogs and raccoons only exists in English, you dense motherfucker.
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>>46789348
Which is it, does the translation justify what is in the name or does it not? You can't seem to maie up your mind.
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>>46785169
lots of other zodiacs exist if they want to keep up the trend
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>>46789380
So you're intentionally being retarded. Got it.
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>>46789393
Do any of them have significance in Japanese culture anon?
The only reason they're using that one is because it's relevant to them, I can't see them trying to implement something so esoteric as the Western Zodiac in, they want the starters to sell, so they wouldn't make an objectmon starter line. Can't really portray Libras anything but Scales (or Pisces as a fish and they won't do a fish starter either, needs to be amphibious somehow).
Stay mad.
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>>46785169
Start over
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>>46789402
No, I'm using your own logic to show its flaws. There are only 2 reasonable conclusions here. Either:
>translation dies matter. Foxes are called "raccoon dogs" so it is both a raccoon and a dog
Or
>translation does not matter, foxes being "raccoon dogs" is not evidence for the theory
It doesn't make sense for only part of the tranlsation to be relevant.
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>>46789320
It's Chinese wordplay. They're talking about Fennekin's Chinese name, 火狐狸, which is a stupid pun. In Chinese, 狐狸 can either be a catch-all term for any fox-like wild animal (including things like badgers and some species of wild dog) or a term for a con artist.

The Japanese species name is simply キツネ (kitune/fox).
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>>46789415
Libra being scales is shorthand for Themis, the Greek goddess of justice. Her animal representation is a lion. Pisces is similarly inspired by Aphrodite and Eros becoming fish to escape from Typhon. There's a lot that can be done with each.
>>46789507
Your shitposting is flawed because you're too retarded to see that the screencap you started against is translating from Chinese and that the Japanese word for fox doesn't have that kanji in it.
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>>46789534
>>46789552
My point this entire time has been that that screenshot isn't pro-zodiac evidence. You're telling me what I already know. I only continued this long because the earlier posters were insisting that foxes = dogs because of the translation.
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>>46789552
>lion
Arcanine (Lion-dog) and Pyroar exist, not to mention the feline biped starter in Incineroar too. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying it's unlikely they give a shit about western horoscopes, when the layman's reps aren't animals ennough to base starters off it going forward when they finish the current cycle.
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>>46783168
The blue one because it's a different colour
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>>46789810
>I was only pretending to be retarded
wew
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>>46789934
Yes, one of the first things you're taught in school about making an argument is using the counterclaim in a way that makes it clear it is wrong.
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>>46783143
After snake and maybe ox we will get the lamest fire starters of all time
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I can't wait for them to get to the last one with zodiac fags still claiming their nonsense only for the last fire starter to be something like a frog or something that blows them so far out of the water they can't even cope with it.
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>>46789810
>I'm not wrong, I've been saying this the whole time
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>>46790179
>Impying a frog starter will deter them
Tadpoles have no legs, just like snakes, so.... OBVIOUSLY it was designed with the intention of being a snake! They had a design idea and made the tadpole work with muh pattern!
Real talk, though, a fire toad or frog starter would be pretty based.
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>>46785989
snivy is in fact a bipedal snake so...
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>46790179
>th-they'll p-p-pull a b-bait'n'swuh-swuh-switch
This is the saddest cope I've seen evolve yet.
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>>46783143
>haha clouds and coconut trees are dragons because wapanese puns
>NOOOOOOO foxes aren't dogs and echidnas aren't rats! Pokemon is a series founded entirely on logic!
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>>46783177
Nope hahaha get cucked
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cope
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>>46788154
Like waifumons are any better?
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>>46783781
Awful Comparison if you are above 18. Do you even know how trajectories work?
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>>46790945
They don't care how wrong something is as long as they think it proves them right.
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There is literally no source calling the Cyndaquil line an echidna nor a badger, an anteater, a weasel, or anything you denialfags seem to think they are. They're not called so in the Pokedex. It's not a part of their names in any language. Not for any of them.
You know what animals do come up?
Mouse, Rat, Rodent, Porcupine, and Hedgehog
>but hedgehogs aren't even rodents
Guess what they're called in Japanese. Needle rats.
>but it looks more like an echidna and nothing like a rat
Ariados looks nothing like a spider. Ampharos looks nothing like a sheep. Lanturn looks nothing like an anglerfish. Shuckle looks like nothing at all. It's a common thing in gen2.
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>>46791688
BEHOLD! A MOUSE!
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>>46792077
what a cute mouse
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>>46791688
>Ariados looks nothing like a spider
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>>46792077
SONIC THE MOUSE!
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>>46792095
>four legs
Not a spider
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>>46792099
His placeholder name was literally Mr. Needlemouse, so yeah
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>>46792344
If I say you are not a faggot, It doesn't change the fact that you are a faggot.
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>>46792095
>half as many legs
>legs not even on the right body part
>no pedipalps
>fangs sideways instead of facing downwards
If a dog only had two legs and they were placed on its tail and the dog didn't have an upper jaw, it wouldn't look like a dog
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>>46783143
Can't wait for the next fire-starter to be any of the zodiac animals left and see how anti-zodiac posters cope.

And for sheep, yes, it can be a goat or a ram, but if it ends up being something like a damn bear or a bat or some animal that does not even resemble any of the ones left, I will acknowledge my stupidity.
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>>46792886
>>46792203
you're right, show this image to anybody and the LAST thing they think of is "spider" because it looks nothing like a spider at all! nor do its moves make reference to spiders in any way, nor is its typing have any connection to spiders.

>goldeen isn't a fish because fish in the real world don't have horns!!!!!!
>staryu isn't a starfish because starfish don't have a gem in the middle of their body!!!!!
>NOW! fictional character, shoot flames from your mouth!!!!
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>>46791688
well guess what mate, it's a fucking children's game, they can take artistic liberties with the design and have it slightly resemble something. Why the fuck would you want a 100 percent faithful to the real animal its loosely based on for every Pokémon anyway?

This is a great autism detector question, people who can't help but obsess over minutia
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>>46793849
>people who can't help but obsess over minutia
>it's close enough for me vs aaaaaaaaa it isn't literally my mom's dog/rat it doesn't count FUCK yOU
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>>46788154
>Edgy
How on Earth does that qualify as edgy?
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>>46788101
>you'd argue a fucking slug is a cow
No?
It's a testament on how GF and TPC don't care really care about the real life species that pokemon are inspired by and more about puns and themes,case in point Sea slugs in japanese are sea cows that's why Gastrodon is present in that picture.
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>>46792453
I accept your concession
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>>46793849
What the fuck are you talking about? Did you even read the post you are replying to?
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>>46793821
I'm not saying Ariados isn't a spider. I'm saying it does not look like one. None of your examples differ from what their based on nearly as much as Ariados. Ariados looks way more like an ant to me. If Ariados did not evolve from spinarak or spin webs, nobody would think it's a spider. Ariados is as much a spider as pic related is a dog.



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