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Why did GF feel the need to minmax BST spreads in Gen VIII?
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>>45923459
that's the only way for new Pokemon to compete in PvP
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>>45923459
They got tired of people crying on /vp/ about Gen VII BSTs being slow and bulky
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>>45923469
>people crying on /vp/
>/vp/
Nigger we're the minority of fanbase
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I dunno man, they've never made stat spreads like this before.
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>>45924112
SLOW
SPECIALLY FRAIL
4X WEAKNESS
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>>45924112
there have been minmax mons in the past, but all the mons in OP are
>legends
>starters
>mythicals
optimized spreads just widen the gap between high BST mons and regular Pokemon, necessitating bullshit like Darmanitan-Galar or Dracovish to have insane abilities/moves to compensate
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>>45923459
Because if they didn't, we'd complain how weak they are.

I'd rather have a larger pool of viable minmaxed Pokemon than a bunch of useless crap.
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>>45924134
urshifu is less than "fast", specially frail, and has a 4x weakness
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>>45923459
Where are you getting these numbers from?
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>>45923459
Why did GF feel the need to minmax BST spreads in Gen II?
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>>45924594
This is minmaxing
This right here
OP is delusional, how the hell is Zarude minmaxed
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>>45923459
I haven't kept up with Pokémon since LGPE but it's nice to see that GF is still making slow, bulky ice types. Fuck ice types
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>>45924613
Just for a fun comparison heres Glastrier compared to avalugg
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>>45924605
>OP is delusional, how the hell is Zarude minmaxed
Zarude has godlike stats and is only held back by its ability.
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>>45924589
take the BST and subtract the unused attacking stat
Kyogre: 570 BST
Mewtwo: 570 BST
Ho-Oh: 570 BST
DPP legends: 560 BST
BW: 560
Xerneas: 549
Solgaleo: 567

you can see based on this calc, Zarude is so minmax'd it's spread plays almost as well as Xerneas
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>>45923459
Now post the horse with dipshit on its back
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>>45925022
Calyrex-Shadow is 600
Calyrex-Ice is 595
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>>45924983
120/105 with a dark/grass typing is not that good
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>he plays competitive pokemon
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>>45925047
it learns power whip, darkest lariat, close combat, and u-turn
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>>45925047
You are ignoring its bulk, this combination of power, bulk and speed is almost unheard of, only something like Garchomp has a comparable distribution. The typing is seemingly bad but it is actually quite useful against stall combined with its exclusive healing move, so it is a potent stallbreaker that is not completely dead weight against offense due to its speed. It already manages to see niche usage in OU so yes the awful ability is what holds it back, something broadly applicable like Mold Breaker would make it more prominent for sure.
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>>45923459
>its offenses aren't within 30 points of each other so it's minmaxed
wtf GF, how could you do this, we need more stat spreads like Decidueye
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>>45925133
>>45925169
No Sucker Punch of Knock off.
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>>45924605
This

>>45924983
>Zarude has godlike stats and is only held back by its ability.
That's not what minmax is, retard.
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>>45924143
Mons with super spiky stats have been a bigger trend since Gen V so you can blame the power creep on that to make Unovabortions seethe I guess.
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>>45925462
The literalist definition of minmax that you are trying to force doesn't have a real representative in Pokémon. Accept that people use it as a shorthand to mean "well optimized stat spread with relatively few points in the unused attack stat" and take pills to treat your Asperger.
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>>45925411
you're being retarded, that 30 point difference matters
look at the speeds of the Gen VIII Ubers. 30 points of dumpstat goes into speed has a dramatic effect on how they behave in the meta
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>>45925427
>of
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>>45923459
Where are Cinderace and the sniper thing?
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>>45925504
both are inferior to Greninja because Greninja is faster and can pull off mixed sets that they can't
none of the three can survive a strong STAB move, super effective or not
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>>45924998
>subtract the unused attacking stat
But what about defensive stats? Intelleon with 125/120 offensive stats is the most minmaxed starter ever. And walls that need Toxic/Seismic Toss to deal damage in general? And it`s still missing abilities like Sheer Force and Protean...
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>>45925526
>Intelleon with 125/120 offensive stats is the most minmaxed starter ever.
Inteleon has 85 attack, higher than its HP and defensive stats
it's not minmax, it's just a shitmon
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>>45925504
Effective BST of every OU Pokémon for reference
>Barraskewda: 430 (490)
>Blissey: 530 (540)
>Buzzwole: 517 (570)
>Cinderace: 465 (530)
>Clefable: 413 (483)
>Corviknight: 442 (495)
>Dragapult: 480 or 500 (600)
>Dragonite: 500 (600)
>Excadrill: 458 (508)
>Ferrothorn: 435 (489)
>Garchomp: 520 (600)
>Hawlucha: 426 (500)
>Heatran: 510 (600)
>Hippowdon: 457 (525)
>Hydreigon: 495 (600)
>Kartana: 511 (570)
>Landorus-Therian: 495 (600)
>Latios: 510 (600)
>Mandibuzz: 445 (510)
>Melmetal: 520 (600)
>Moltres: 480 (580)
>Nidoking: 403 (505)
>Pelipper: 390 (440)
>Regieleki: 480 (580)
>Rillaboom: 470 (530)
>Slowbro: 415 (490)
>Slowking-Galar: 425 (490)
>Spectrier: 515 (580)
>Swampert: 450 (535)
>Tapu Fini: 495 (570)
>Tapu Koko: 455 or 475 (570)
>Tapu Lele: 485 (570)
>Tornadus-Therian: 480 (580)
>Toxapex: 432 (495)
>Tyranitar: 505 (600)
>Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 487 (550)
>Volcarona: 490 (550)
>Zapdos: 490 (580)
>Zapdos-Galar: 495 (580)
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>>45925600
Correction, Blissey's effective total if it uses Seismic Toss over Shadow Ball is only 455.

Pokémon where their dump stat is the lowest.
>Blissey
>Buzzwole
>Cinderace
>Corviknight
>Excadrill
>Garchomp
>Mandibuzz
>Pelipper
>Rillaboom
>Tapu Fini
>Volcarona
>Zapdos-Galar

Pokémon that have it as one of their three highest
>Blissey (third)
>Dragapult (second or third)
>Dragonite (second)
>Hydreigon (second)
>Landorus-Therian (second)
>Moltres (second)
>Nidoking (first)
>Tapu Koko (second or third)
>Tornadus-Therian (third)
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>>45925492
Why am I such the stoopid?
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>>45925600
>tyranitar
Aren't there sets that use ice beam and/or fire blast to deal with specific threats? Can you really disregard SpA in the case of mons where a special/mixed set is viable?
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>>45925476
>The literalist definition of minmax that you are trying to force doesn't have a real representative in Pokémon.
Yes, it does. See >>45924605.
Retard.
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>>45924160
>we'd complain
who is we?
i'd definitely prefer if we didn't get a starter with the equivalent of a 236.25 base power priority move.
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>>45925476
Going by your autistic definition, literally every Pokemon that doesn't have (nearly) equal numbers across its stats like Arceus has is minmaxed.
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>>45924594
run.
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>>45925543
Again, the defensive stats.
Inteleon is stupidly fast, to the point where its bulk scarcely matters.
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>>45926605
Having bulk is always better than not having bulk, no matter how fast you sre
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>>45925975
It has 5 speed, no need to run from this.
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how come there is no showdown general on /vp/ even though there is constant discussion
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>>45924205
>97 base speed
>slow

I swear you guys are something else.
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>>45923459
None of these are minmaxed, just because something isn't fucking glalie doesn't mea it's minmaxed
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>>45925878
Not minmaxed under the most literalist definition, it has 10 points in its offensive stats. Besides it is an horribly unoptimized stat spread so maybe not being minmaxed is a good thing.
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>>45925600
Cinderace with its Work Up Set is a viable set.
-1 148 Atk Life Orb Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 157-187 (49.2 - 58.6%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO
148 Atk Life Orb Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 179-212 (50.8 - 60.2%) -- 35.5% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal
148 Atk Life Orb Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Zapdos: 185-218 (48.1 - 56.7%) -- 33.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
104 SpA Life Orb Libero Cinderace Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro: 408-484 (103.5 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

It entirely kills stall by itself and essentially 2HKO's everything in the meta.
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>>45927537
Not that anon, but he didn't say 97 is slow just that it isn't that fast, which it is't, it'll be outsped by everything that really matters since most "fast" pokemon have at least 100 speed
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>>45927568
Yeah it is a simplified analysis that doesn't take into account mixed attackers. Of course the concept of dump stat/effective BST doesn't really apply to them.
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>>45927589
Just pointing it out because this set is the set that almost got it banned from National Dex.
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>>45923459
Why did GF feel the need to minmax BST spreads in Gen IVII?
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>>45927659
Yeah because its not like Beedrill has such a low BST, even with a Mega, that minmaxing is required for it to be usable at at.

Nice Bait Anon.
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>>45925047
You underestimate how valuable the ability to manhandle water, ground, grass, electric, and ghost types is.



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