Why did GF feel the need to minmax BST spreads in Gen VIII?
>>45923459that's the only way for new Pokemon to compete in PvP
>>45923459They got tired of people crying on /vp/ about Gen VII BSTs being slow and bulky
>>45923469>people crying on /vp/>/vp/Nigger we're the minority of fanbase
I dunno man, they've never made stat spreads like this before.
>>45924112SLOWSPECIALLY FRAIL4X WEAKNESS
>>45924112there have been minmax mons in the past, but all the mons in OP are>legends>starters>mythicalsoptimized spreads just widen the gap between high BST mons and regular Pokemon, necessitating bullshit like Darmanitan-Galar or Dracovish to have insane abilities/moves to compensate
>>45923459Because if they didn't, we'd complain how weak they are.I'd rather have a larger pool of viable minmaxed Pokemon than a bunch of useless crap.
>>45924134urshifu is less than "fast", specially frail, and has a 4x weakness
>>45923459Where are you getting these numbers from?
>>45923459Why did GF feel the need to minmax BST spreads in Gen II?
>>45924594This is minmaxingThis right hereOP is delusional, how the hell is Zarude minmaxed
>>45923459I haven't kept up with Pokémon since LGPE but it's nice to see that GF is still making slow, bulky ice types. Fuck ice types
>>45924613Just for a fun comparison heres Glastrier compared to avalugg
>>45924605>OP is delusional, how the hell is Zarude minmaxedZarude has godlike stats and is only held back by its ability.
>>45924589take the BST and subtract the unused attacking statKyogre: 570 BSTMewtwo: 570 BSTHo-Oh: 570 BSTDPP legends: 560 BSTBW: 560Xerneas: 549Solgaleo: 567you can see based on this calc, Zarude is so minmax'd it's spread plays almost as well as Xerneas
>>45923459Now post the horse with dipshit on its back
>>45925022Calyrex-Shadow is 600Calyrex-Ice is 595
>>45924983120/105 with a dark/grass typing is not that good
>he plays competitive pokemon
>>45925047it learns power whip, darkest lariat, close combat, and u-turn
>>45925047You are ignoring its bulk, this combination of power, bulk and speed is almost unheard of, only something like Garchomp has a comparable distribution. The typing is seemingly bad but it is actually quite useful against stall combined with its exclusive healing move, so it is a potent stallbreaker that is not completely dead weight against offense due to its speed. It already manages to see niche usage in OU so yes the awful ability is what holds it back, something broadly applicable like Mold Breaker would make it more prominent for sure.
>>45923459>its offenses aren't within 30 points of each other so it's minmaxedwtf GF, how could you do this, we need more stat spreads like Decidueye
>>45925133>>45925169No Sucker Punch of Knock off.
>>45924605This>>45924983>Zarude has godlike stats and is only held back by its ability.That's not what minmax is, retard.
>>45924143Mons with super spiky stats have been a bigger trend since Gen V so you can blame the power creep on that to make Unovabortions seethe I guess.
>>45925462The literalist definition of minmax that you are trying to force doesn't have a real representative in Pokémon. Accept that people use it as a shorthand to mean "well optimized stat spread with relatively few points in the unused attack stat" and take pills to treat your Asperger.
>>45925411you're being retarded, that 30 point difference matterslook at the speeds of the Gen VIII Ubers. 30 points of dumpstat goes into speed has a dramatic effect on how they behave in the meta
>>45923459Where are Cinderace and the sniper thing?
>>45925504both are inferior to Greninja because Greninja is faster and can pull off mixed sets that they can'tnone of the three can survive a strong STAB move, super effective or not
>>45924998>subtract the unused attacking statBut what about defensive stats? Intelleon with 125/120 offensive stats is the most minmaxed starter ever. And walls that need Toxic/Seismic Toss to deal damage in general? And it`s still missing abilities like Sheer Force and Protean...
>>45925526>Intelleon with 125/120 offensive stats is the most minmaxed starter ever. Inteleon has 85 attack, higher than its HP and defensive statsit's not minmax, it's just a shitmon
>>45925504Effective BST of every OU Pokémon for reference>Barraskewda: 430 (490)>Blissey: 530 (540)>Buzzwole: 517 (570)>Cinderace: 465 (530)>Clefable: 413 (483)>Corviknight: 442 (495)>Dragapult: 480 or 500 (600)>Dragonite: 500 (600)>Excadrill: 458 (508)>Ferrothorn: 435 (489)>Garchomp: 520 (600)>Hawlucha: 426 (500)>Heatran: 510 (600)>Hippowdon: 457 (525)>Hydreigon: 495 (600)>Kartana: 511 (570)>Landorus-Therian: 495 (600)>Latios: 510 (600)>Mandibuzz: 445 (510)>Melmetal: 520 (600)>Moltres: 480 (580)>Nidoking: 403 (505)>Pelipper: 390 (440)>Regieleki: 480 (580)>Rillaboom: 470 (530)>Slowbro: 415 (490)>Slowking-Galar: 425 (490)>Spectrier: 515 (580)>Swampert: 450 (535)>Tapu Fini: 495 (570)>Tapu Koko: 455 or 475 (570)>Tapu Lele: 485 (570)>Tornadus-Therian: 480 (580)>Toxapex: 432 (495)>Tyranitar: 505 (600)>Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 487 (550)>Volcarona: 490 (550)>Zapdos: 490 (580)>Zapdos-Galar: 495 (580)
>>45925600Correction, Blissey's effective total if it uses Seismic Toss over Shadow Ball is only 455.Pokémon where their dump stat is the lowest.>Blissey>Buzzwole>Cinderace>Corviknight>Excadrill>Garchomp>Mandibuzz>Pelipper>Rillaboom>Tapu Fini>Volcarona>Zapdos-GalarPokémon that have it as one of their three highest>Blissey (third)>Dragapult (second or third)>Dragonite (second)>Hydreigon (second)>Landorus-Therian (second)>Moltres (second)>Nidoking (first)>Tapu Koko (second or third)>Tornadus-Therian (third)
>>45925492Why am I such the stoopid?
>>45925600>tyranitarAren't there sets that use ice beam and/or fire blast to deal with specific threats? Can you really disregard SpA in the case of mons where a special/mixed set is viable?
>>45925476>The literalist definition of minmax that you are trying to force doesn't have a real representative in Pokémon.Yes, it does. See >>45924605.Retard.
>>45924160>we'd complainwho is we?i'd definitely prefer if we didn't get a starter with the equivalent of a 236.25 base power priority move.
>>45925476Going by your autistic definition, literally every Pokemon that doesn't have (nearly) equal numbers across its stats like Arceus has is minmaxed.
>>45925543Again, the defensive stats.Inteleon is stupidly fast, to the point where its bulk scarcely matters.
>>45926605Having bulk is always better than not having bulk, no matter how fast you sre
>>45925975It has 5 speed, no need to run from this.
how come there is no showdown general on /vp/ even though there is constant discussion
>>45924205>97 base speed>slowI swear you guys are something else.
>>45923459None of these are minmaxed, just because something isn't fucking glalie doesn't mea it's minmaxed
>>45925878Not minmaxed under the most literalist definition, it has 10 points in its offensive stats. Besides it is an horribly unoptimized stat spread so maybe not being minmaxed is a good thing.
>>45925600Cinderace with its Work Up Set is a viable set.-1 148 Atk Life Orb Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 157-187 (49.2 - 58.6%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO148 Atk Life Orb Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 179-212 (50.8 - 60.2%) -- 35.5% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal148 Atk Life Orb Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Zapdos: 185-218 (48.1 - 56.7%) -- 33.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery104 SpA Life Orb Libero Cinderace Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro: 408-484 (103.5 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKOIt entirely kills stall by itself and essentially 2HKO's everything in the meta.
>>45927537Not that anon, but he didn't say 97 is slow just that it isn't that fast, which it is't, it'll be outsped by everything that really matters since most "fast" pokemon have at least 100 speed
>>45927568Yeah it is a simplified analysis that doesn't take into account mixed attackers. Of course the concept of dump stat/effective BST doesn't really apply to them.
>>45927589Just pointing it out because this set is the set that almost got it banned from National Dex.
>>45923459Why did GF feel the need to minmax BST spreads in Gen IVII?
>>45927659Yeah because its not like Beedrill has such a low BST, even with a Mega, that minmaxing is required for it to be usable at at. Nice Bait Anon.
>>45925047You underestimate how valuable the ability to manhandle water, ground, grass, electric, and ghost types is.