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Which had the better anime, XY or SM?
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XY, it didn't look like complete garbage
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SM. Easily.
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>>44088020
SM, because of pic related
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>>44088020
XY is the most shounen-like or "anime" like the Pokemon anime will ever get. I'll let you decide on how that determined your time with it. Sun and moon hands down has the most gorgeous animation the series has ever gotten.
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>>44088020
Gen 1.
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>>44088020
SM had soul, and outside of the earliest episodes for nostalgia reasons, is the only thing I'd recommend anyone over the age of six watching.
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XY is better.
SM started good but then it turned into this weird power ranger rip off and then it was just a contrived league full of fan service.
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>>44088231
>then it was just a contrived league full of fan service.
seethe harder
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>>44088235
Why are you so aggressive all the time? Half of the fandom didn't like the league and for good reasons.
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>>44088249
>Half of the fandom didn't like the league
That's 49% more than every other league where Ash lost and only 1% of masochists liked
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>>44088020
SM
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>>44088276
The only thing people didn't like from the other league was that he lost. Hell, that thread was already ripping the league a new one not even five minutes after the episode ended because it was pretty shit.
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>>44088456
>The only thing people didn't like from the other league was that he lost.
that and the fact that the battles were complete shit.
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>>44088020
XY
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>>44088463
No, just that he lost. The battles it had were pretty fucking great.
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>>44088477
>WOAAAAAAAH ASH WAS SHOWN BEATING A LITERAL NOVICE TRAINER DOING HIS FIRST LEAGUE AND LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE SO HYPE
yeah nah
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>>44088485
>WOAAAAHHHHH I COMPLETELY FORGET THAT THE NOVICE ACTUALLY LEARNED FROM ASH WHICH WAS HOW HE ACTUALLY STOPPED BEING A NOVICE JUST TO BE DISINGENUOUS
Yeah, nah.
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idgaf about league or who won/lost
SM was soul
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>>44088505
>cock sucking a shit trainer = not a novice
LMAO
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>>44088638
Nice goalpost moving.
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>>44088666
I didn’t shift any goalposts. Nice cope though.
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>>44088678
>say guy is novice
>point out that he stop being a novice because he actually learned from an experienced trainer
>lol better call trainer shit instead even though it's the same one
You pretty much shifted.
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>>44088700
I’m still saying the novice is a novice. No goalposts have been shifted. Seething so hard you can’t read, yikes!
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>>44088758
And I' telling you the novice isn't a novice because he learned and adapted what he learned from an experienced trainer. Since you couldn't cover that base anymore you shifted to trying to call Ash shit when he himself is actually an experienced trainer. You shifted your goalpost and apparently you can't understand a thing you're writing, looking at your free use of buzzwords.
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>>44088787
You're arguing with a literal autist who sits here all day trying to bait """xyfags"""
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>>44088020
PM
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>>44088020
SM is by far the better anime, I don't think this is really debatable.
But is it the better "Pokemon" anime? XY is the definitive Pokemon anime when it comes to sticking to the formula and plot loops. It boils down to taste if you like what took 20+ years to perfect or something built up completely from scratch.
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>>44088787
Taking notes like a retarded nerd isn’t going to make the novice stop being a novice.

> Since you couldn't cover that base anymore you shifted to trying to call Ash shit
Ash is a shit trainer AND Sawyer is a novice. Control your seething and read the post properly my dude.
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>>44088463
>Kalos league
>Shit battles
Are you retarded? That's alola. 17 episodes full of shitty 1v1 battles with lackluster animation and forced comedy/drama with 1 episode of kinography. In terms of episode planning and direction : kalos all the way. At least we didn't waste any time with irrelevant characters like Sophocles,mallow, lana and lillie.
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>>44088907
>SM is by far the better anime, I don't think this is really debatable.
In terms of what? XY has the better art style, better rivals, better villains and better battles all of which is what people search for in a pokemon anime.
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>>44088938
>In terms of what?
Animation, characterization, story....

> XY has the better art style, better rivals, better villains and better battles
It had none of these.
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>>44088907
>XY is the definitive Pokemon anime when it comes to sticking to the formula and plot loops.
DP > XY though in everything excpet animation
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>>44088957
>Animation
All of that animation is wasted on shit like lillie skipping rope and filler material. If that's your definition of a "good" anime then you've got extremely low standards

>Characterization
The alola companions have some of the most pathetic goals in the anime. They are the least "developed" companions, if that's what you mean

>Story
>SM
Did you even watch the show? SM barely had an overarching plot. Ash was goofing around melemele most of the time. XY hands down did a better job in this department with alan and building-up team flare

>It had none of those
Okay, this is bait. Here's your (you) and i'll be on my way
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>>44088981
BASED
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>>44088938
>XY has the better art style, better rivals, better villains and better battles all of which is what people search for in a pokemon anime.
It's a generic growth shounen that ends where the main character fails in his goal. It's horrible and I can't imagine anyone unironically thinking it's a good time investment.
I can't really think of any anime that compare well with SM, not even Yo-Kai Watch which heavily inspired it. It's the only Pokemon anime outside of the first season OS that I could recommend to a normie.
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XY was better. SM Ash was just happy nonstop and that's his whole personality. I liked the humor in XY better as well. SM's humor seemed more childish.
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>>44088020
SM was leagues above XY, or any of the repetitive seasons before that. They still snubbed a massive amount of plots from the game .

Also, it has the first banned episode in America since Jynx controversy, so it's automatically top-tier.
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>>44088020
As a Pokemon anime, XY because of the battles. Otherwise, SM if you just want to watch a slice of life.
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>>44088020
both are great :)
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>>44088020
XY was sooo much better
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>>44088060
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? If anything that gives a sense of an actual living world instead of the same characters being in every episode where it gets boring
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Sun and moon
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>>44091079
>is focusing on random filler one off characters instead of spending more time developing the main cast supposed to be a bad thing?
Hmmmmmmmmmm
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>>44091097
>spending more time developing the main cast
And they didn’t even do that, so what was the point of getting rid of COTDs?
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>>44088020
Neither. Ashime is just merchandise garbage.
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>>44091113
>And they didn’t even do that
Yes they did.
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>>44091131
Explain, because at the end of it all, the only character who made any improvements towards her goal was Mallow, and the only character who changed from beginning to end, was Lillie, which happened 50 episodes into the series anyway.
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SM. XYZ was a little crige with all the Greninja-Ash bullshit, but still very good tho.
>>44088901
Hell no, PM is mediocre so far
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>all this samefag
Holy shit, you're pretty desperate to shill your opinion huh? Keep pretending to be multiple people, nobody is gonna fall for it.
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>>44091131
No they didn’t.
>Lana
Got 11 episodes, only significant thing that happened for her character was meeting Kyogre. Otherwise, she was the same character from the start of the series by the end.
>Sophocles
Got 8 episodes, only significant thing that happened for his character was that he finally learned how to battle, which took up until the Pokémon League. Otherwise, he was the exact same character.
>Kiawe
Got 6 episodes, and the only significant thing that happened for his character was claiming his grandpa’s Charizard as his own. Which is odd in itself since he’s been using it and acting as its owner since his grandpa passed, anyway. Funnily enough, he started chasing his goal in the very last episode.
>Mallow
Got 9 episodes, learned to battle, control her emotions, grander recipes, and running a restaurant on her own. The most developed character in the whole cast.
>Lillie
Got 17 episodes, learned to touch Pokémon again, accept her mother, and battle. Only other character that did any actual character building. Even if she’s still a bad character.

TL;DR No, the SM cast as a whole developed less than even Iris and Cilan
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>>44091155
>Explain,
You got to see more of their personality traits, interactions, chemistry with one another. Which when the show has a dozen fucking constantly recurring characters is pretty impressive, compared to XY where the four main characters have zero personality outside of their one dimensional gimmick and sucking ash’s dick about how great he apparently is. Also Lillie isn’t the only one who changed, episode 1 Kiawe and episode 100 Kiawe may as well be different characters.
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>>44091385
>TH-THEY ONLY GOT DEVELOPMENT IF THE ENTIRE EPISODE WAS FOCUSED ON THEM!
Wow is this how XY fanboys think? Also getting that many episodes for each character is pretty good considering Serena was completely fucking worthless for 50 episodes until they just decided to turn her into another May and Dawn clone and Clemont only existed for his unfunny gag pretty much the entire series.
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>>44091385
Absolutely based.
I'll add more to your list
>Lana only significant thing that happened for her character was meeting Kyogre
And that was bullshit, a legendary was nerfed to make Lana look more competent.
>Sophocles
His goodvbye episode is also of the worst episodes.
>Kiawe
He got flanderized hard, his flanderization was faster than Brock's
>Mallow
Most of her learning to battle was offscreen, her tsareena was suddenly competent. Her mother episode is also overrated, literally her mother was never mentioned before, we don't even know her name lol.
>Lillie
The reason she hated her mother were so dumb to begin with, she turned into a side character after the first half of the series.
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>>44091489
Anon, are you retarded? The characters develop the most in their key episodes, and if they get key episodes and nothing happens, then that makes it a waste. Characters almost never develop or have something significant happen to them in filler episodes or episodes that don’t focus on them. Each character got a good amount of episodes and yet only two of them actually changed as characters, which is sad.

And speaking of Clemont and Serena, they both made huge progress towards their goals and both transformed as characters. The Clemont and Serena from the very first episode of XY are completely different from the ones at the very last.

If you’re gonna debate over the characters, at least watch each series first.
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>>44088020
SM for sure
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>>44091595
Clemont changed, but Serene stayed the same. No David Cage, cutting your hair isn't character development.

Only decent XY characters were Bonnie and Zygarde anyway.
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>>44091385
Sophocles is currently my least favorite electric specialist. When the major electric specialist is revealed for crown tundra he (sadly I'm not excepting a waifu) will probably be lame like Avery, Allister and Gordie. Some of the other electric trainers are better because they remind me of street fighter and Naruto.
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>>44091615
>but Serene stayed the same. No David Cage, cutting your hair isn't character development.
No anon, you are retarded. Serena changed more than any character on the cast. Every single character, including Ash, made major improvements for their characters.
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>>44091707
based



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