Gen 8 has really set the standard low for Pokemon designs.
God, the water starter is historically bad
>>44087920>this image again>still only half of the designs on it are actually shit
>>44087920every gen has its good and bad designs
>>44087933Sandaconda is the color of bird poop.
>>44087968>Anything white and brown is the color of bird poopAre you fucking retarded?
>>44087920Your parents set the standard pretty low for human designs
>>44087920what's wrong with bolthund? The colors are eh, but he looks like a pokemon to me idk what's the big deal
>>44087920Is that a poop snake? I didn't keep up with Gen 8.
>>44087920Really it's just the starters. The Grass line is the only one with a decent looking final evo.
>>44087920Gen 8 designs are either great or dogshit, there's very little in between
It seems that nowadays gamefreak tries way too hard to come up with interesting concepts and gimmicks for pokemon and in this process they end up drawing these colorful atrocities, which are just unpleasant to see.I'd rather get a bunch of reused fat kaiju designs like they did in gen 1.
>>44087968poop comes in many colors anon
I was on a thread where people listed their least favorite pokemon, and I saw mostly Cinderace, as I expected, but I also saw a lot of Duraludon, and now here too. What is /vp/'s problem with it?
>>44088076I mean if they had cool concepts but were still drawn and rendered competently it wouldn't be an issue. The problem is the artistry itself is bad, both the official art in some cases, and especially the 3D modelling
>>44087920>Cramorant>Orbeetle>Toxtricity>Copperajah>Flapple>CinderaceThese are unironically based
>>44088110This. The concepts would be fine, for most of them. What's missing is the Gen 1-2 watercolor style with rougher and more organic looking creature shapes. Especially since Gen 5, the art style has gotten much more cartoony, bold, saturated, and flat.
>>44087920>Orbeetle>BadFuck you niggas got no taste. Coalossal literally has a hint of a gen 1 Mon.
>>44087920My boi looks good in the anime, delete him from the unfamous list
>>44087920Even the few good ones, like Grimmsnarl, Orbeetle, Corviknight have shit first stages.
>>44087920My main issue with Coalossal is the placement of the coals. It just isn't practical place to put them. Do they all fall off he it falls over? And it's head doesn't flow naturally from the pile of coals that it comes from. Greedents problem is the face. It's too western. On top of that it's just a squirrel pretty bland. Boltund, Cramorant, and Cinderace fall into the "bland" category too. Copperajah is far too cube-like for my liking. Toxtricity just has too much going on.
>>44088198Shit taste detected. Impidimp is literally the only good part of that line.
>>44088132Cinderace looks like someone's fursonaThe soccer rabbit theme is ok but they did not do it justice
>>44088132>Copperajah>Cinderace>basedReview your shit taste.
Angry Internet Man With No Art Skills will not get to decide what design is good or bad universally tho
>>44088205It would be if it weren't for those noodle limbs. This is Pokemon, not Adventure Time.
>>44088152>rougher and more organic looking creature shapesExactly. Like you said, you could see this even in Gen 5 with Serperior not having real leaves, Conkeldurr not having proper muscle definition, etc. There were some that still adhered to the old design philosophy in ways that you basically don't see anymore at all, like Braviary still having well-defined feathers and talons, but it was kind of the start of things going wrong. Like if you go on Showdown and throw Fearow out of a Pokeball it's hilarious. This thing doesn't even look like it belongs to the same series anymore. Even smth like Arcanine or Zapdos kind of gives you whiplash
>>44088132Flapple looks extremely basic.
>>44087920There are only 6 bad designs in that picture, OP
>>44088216Lmao they're not paintings in a museum. You don't need to be a decent artist to know a design in a video game is shit.
>>44087920>Orbeetle>badSeethe more ledianigger
>>44087920Seething Rillaboomfag. I'm sorry no one out of this echo chamber likes your Green DK.
>>44088268You will fail to prove any design you dislike is shit tho. Due to your "weak cultural backbone" problem
>>44087920eiscue diaperbot the coal cart and the bird make me legitimately angry
>>44088178>Coalossal literally has a hint of a gen 1 Mon.It looks like the kind of design a fan artist would make in order to make gen 1 look bad
>>44088205>Impidimp is literally the only good part of that line.Terrible bait
>>44087920>Cinderace>Orbeetle>Inteleon>Drednaw>Toxtricity>Mr. RimeThese mons are based.
>>44088200>My main issue with Coalossal is the placement of the coalsNo, the main issue is those uncanny valley eyes
>>44088288>lower than ice cubedamn...
>>44088332>Popularity = QualityLo
>>44088339In this case yes.
>>44088195Yamper and Boltund are good, imagine putting them but not eiscue
>>44088339Yes? This is Pokemon. They promote quality designs like Charizard and Pikachu, not shit like Stantler.
>>44088222It's a fucking prankster imp. It having skinny limbs makes sense.>>44088303Stay mad Shittsnarltard.
>>44088354Shit like Cinderace, Obstagoon, Toxtricity, Hattrene and Inteleon are only popular partially due to coomers. And for some that's the only reason.
>>44088391>Obstagoon also lower than ice cube>le coomer boogeymanyour story doesn't check out
>>44088414Ice cube is only popular because on contrarians and memes
>>44088391>a-anything I don't like is only popular because of porn!Hahahaha cope
>>44088420Idk I don't see any memes about it. Seems to sell well on JP Pokecenter stuff though, in any event.
>>44088427It’s because it’s the kind of design that is so bad that is good
>>44088421>Furfag apologists. Reminder according to your argument Lucario and Lopunny are popular just because.
>>44088438Damn... a shonen hero metal dog who shoots hadokens and is voiced by Goku is popular... who would have thought
>>44088453Still cant explain Lopunnys, Hatterenes or Gardevoirs popularity can you? Coomer apologist detected.
>>44087920The only bad ones are the starters, Coalossal, some of the fossils, the Toxicitry line, and the Applin line. The rest of the designs are pretty good.
>>44087920>Orbeetle>Mr. Rime>Flapple>Cramorant>badyou are a homosexual penis
>>44088297>in order toGolem looks already much shittier than coalossal
>>44087920Damn, I'd actually like Eiscue if its model had the same proportions as the official art.
>>44087920Agreed but get Orbeetle and Tox out of there
The only truly terrible ones from this list >IMO are:-Cinderace -Thwakey-Intelleon-Yamper -Eiscue -Stonjourner-Arctozolt? (can’t remember the name)Raboot is probably the worst one this gen
>>44088250So simple monsters are bad now? What happened to "this gen 1 cartoon animal is better because it isn't overdesigned"?
>>44088095I think the it’s the fact there’s no real way of telling what it is. It’s a steel/dragon but nothing about the design gives any indication to the inspiration and reasoning behind it. Its proportions are also very goofy and confusing
>>44090401Didn't you know? Nu-Gen Pokemon are either simplistic cartoons or overdesigned digimon depending on which boomer is crying
>>44088198Corviknight's first and second stages are great.
>>44087920People say the same shit every gen.
>>44087920>Thwackey>Cinderace>Yamper>Dottler>Orbeetle>Drednaw>Toxtricity>Duraludon>Dragon fossils>Mr. Rime>CoalossalAnd the king himself>ImpidimpAll based. Everything else ranges from meh to trash
>>44088198You got garbage taste dude. Impidimp is my favorite of the line. I miss the devil-like design it's evolutions slowly abandon.
>>44087920They're better than the Gen 5 and 6 ones at least
>>44090611Nah. Not a single one of them are even Eiscue-tier in laziness
>>44088198>Corviknight have shit first stages.What in the fuck could possibly be offensive about Rookidee and Corvisquire? I swear sometimes you niggas choose pokemon from a hat.
>>44087920Red=badOrange=bad but I like it anywaysYellow= Good but has flawsGreen=GreatBlue=pleb filter
Thievul, Flapple, Orbeetle and Mr. Rime are all great. The rest I agree with.(Also, Rillaboom is equally as fucking horrific as the other two, I don't know why people always give it a pass).
>>44088222It's a fucking imp, it's normal for imps to have skinny limbs.
>>44088132Copperajah doesn't even look like a pokemon, looks like a fucking cartoon elephant out of a disney movieOthers are based
>>44090700Eiscue is the worst design of all time
>CINDERACE IS GOOD GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>44090804Damn anon, you're right, I can hardly see the difference, how'd they get away with this?
>>44087968you like scat dont you anon.
>>44090408>it’s the fact there’s no real way of telling what it is.It's a urinal
>>44088589How? Colossal is literally just golem but fatter with random spikes and Marge Simpson hair
tchawkey is amazing
>Gen 2 has really set the standard low for Pokemon designs.fix'd. Game Freak has stated that most of gen 2's designs are literally the rejects of Gen 1 (as in the Pokemon not good enough to make the cut).So if you have any complaints about any new Pokemon, you can blame Gen 2 for that.
>>44088367Skinny limbs don't have to be noodle limbs. Where is the bone structure?
>>44088363>STILL letting based reindeer live rent free in his headAhahahahahaaaaaa, stay seething my guy.
>>44090878Eiscue with Duraludon are the most potent pleb filters in the franchise
>>44090630The monkeys arguably are
>>44091021The monkeys aren't lazy at all. They're not good either, but they're definitely not lazy and the biggest problem with their designs (at least in regards to the evolutions) is genuine overdesign. There's too many concepts fit into the designs that are all fighting each other for relevancy, and thus the designs lose their appeal because none of those qualities have the space to become fleshed out.
>>44090996why should there be visible bone structure on something small and skinny that doesn’t use physical strength to attack?
>>44091008That's just a retarded way of saying they're shit
A problem with lots of gen 8 designs is that they made some of the pokemons too blocky. This look more like a dollarstore toy than a pocket monster imo.
>>44091052It was stated by the designer of the monkeys that a different designer made their evolutions, and it shows:>Unno: “I came up with the designs for Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour. I was told that the Stration City gym was going to have three gym leaders — one would specialize in Grass, another with Fire, and the last one with Water. So I was the team member tasked with designing these gym leaders’ Pokémon. I was also told that the gym was going to be a restaurant, and that the gym leaders were going to be waiters. So I thought it might be interesting if their signature Pokémon can cook.”>“First, I decided on a Pokémon responsible for carrying vegetables and herbs, then another one will be responsible for the delicious water used in cooking, and the last one will be responsible for monitoring the strength of the cooking flame. Since they were going to have to carry around hot stuff, I made their hands resemble mittens — then I realized that if they’re going to be carrying things, dexterous monkeys would make for a good motif. This line of thinking is how I came up with Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour. Their designs were shaped by what their environment was going to be.”>“By the way, I gave them all distinct personalities — just like the three starter Pokémon. It was another designer that created their evolved forms, and that designer worked to further emphasize their personality differences. Pansage is kind of a punk, Pansear is carefree, and Panpour is gentle, or some might say smug. Their personalities aren’t as overtly noticeable as the three starter Pokémon, but I did my best to design them so that even before they evolved, you could distinguish their personalities — for example, by the difference in their eyes.”The base forms and the evolutions were made by two different people with different thought processes.
>>44087920I agree. Gen 8 has maybe like 5 Pokemon I like. I didn't buy the games, but even if GameFreak put effort into them, I would still be pissed because of these shit designs. The guy who made the bad designs from gen 5, like Vannillite, is apparently the head of art direction now. James Turner is the worst thing to happen to Pokemon.
>>44091179You don't get to criticise if you didn't buy the game.
>>44088152For sure. The art style has become complete garbage. Gens 1 - 3 had the best art style and design.
>>44091179Art director =/= design director, that was someone different.
>>44090401It's not about them being simple, it's the art style.
>>44091193There is no "best" art style. All long running series change their art style over time.
>>44091165>Pansear is carefreethey failed hard at that, it's eyes make him look worried about everything rather than what they were aiming for.
>>44090994It wasn't that they weren't good enough, it was that they couldn't fit all of them in the game. There were supposed to be 190 in Red and Green, but obviously they couldn't fit everything.
I'm convinced that the majority of /vp/ never sees Pokemon as anything more than still images.
>>44091234I disagree. When they were first making Pokemon, they wanted their monster design to stand out against other JRPGs, that's why gen 1 Pokemon all have specific design traits, like triangle eyes, round eyes, "cute" eyes, and the small eyes. The art style is also unique. The gen 1 Pokemon were designed to make Pokemon stand out, so it's literally its identity. Gens 1 to 3 stayed in this kind of design theme, but then they started to change it a little bit in gen 4, and a lot in gen 5. Now most Pokemon don't look like they belong in the series.
>>44091191I get to criticise designs I can fucking see retard. I don't need to buy the game to criticise designs. I'm not criticising anything else, even though I can and will if I want to.
>>44091301>The gen 1 Pokemon were designed to make Pokemon stand out, so it's literally its identityNo, they were designed around the hardware they were on. They literally didn't even draw most of the Pokemon on paper first, they went straight to make the sprites; meaning that RG's shitty sprites are the original designs.It was the anime that gave Gen 1 Pokemon the designs they have today.
>>44091351Okay well, I'm not sure where I read that originally, but I know they designed them as sprites first as well. That doesn't mean they didn't design them to stand out against other JRPGs at the time. Also, Ken Sugimori made the official artwork and that's where the anime got their designs.
>>44091153This. I would guess some of them were modeled in 3D first and then the concept/official art came afterwards.
>>44091179All the Pokémon James Turner designed Also Vannillite is fine, I can’t say the same for their evolutions
>>44091498That's such a backwards and stupid process that I totally believe GF would do it.
>>44091516Hmm. I must have been misinformed that he made all the really bad designs from gen 5. He did make some really bad designs though. Also, he "designed" Shadow Lugia? No, he recoloured normal Lugia to look "shadow", he didn't design it.
>>44091070>something smallSableye>skinnyIt has a pot belly you blind fuck>that doesn’t use physical strength to attack?Is it not a physical attacker?
>>44091566Shadow Lugia also has a longer crest a its eye things are longer and more jagged.
>>44091596>SableyeWhat about it?>It has a pot belly you blind fuckNo it doesn’t.>Is it not a physical attacker?Its special attack is literally higher than its physical attack.
>>44087920i mean yeah absolutely true
>>44091616Fair enough, but I think anybody could have done that.
>>44087920honestly I have no problem w/ Greedent, it's probably one of the most viable early route rodents (even if that's not a high bar to cross) and I've always wanted another squirrel mon
>>44091498I honestly believe this is how Eiscue came to be. It's like some one took the blender block, than shoved a royalty free penguin model in to it. Added some bits blue and shazam! Here's your new Pokemon.
>>44087920>CoalossalI will hate that fucking thing until I'm on my deathbed. It's the epitome of wasted potential, we could've had a cool speedy coal train pokemon with enough speed to make up for it's shit type, but instead we have a Rhyperior that got caught in a house fire, if this thing was cut from every future installment it would be a blessing, fuck Coalossal and fuck James turner
>>44091929Coalssal is definitely wasted potential Give me my train mon
>>44087920>grimmsnarl the jojo stand>boltund who looks like the dog a knockoff megaman would have>eiscue, JUST>of all things, stonehenge but with googly eyes
>>44091929Coalossal looks better than Rhyperior. Seethe.
I hate chewtle so much what fucking turtle has a head too big to fit into its shell
>>44091929>>44091950I don't get why it still has Steam Engine when it's legs aren't wheels anymoreCan you imagine a clunky design like that moving fast?
>>44088014I don’t get it myself but people really really hate its eyes/facial expression. For some reason.
>>44090690Rookidee is too geometric both in shape and patterns.
>>44090731Rolls boom is good without the drum.
>>44087920Drednaw is the only good one in this image. I guess Yamper and Boltund are okay too, but not fantastic.
>>44091516Vanillite should've been a mythical or standalone mon. It has the vibe. Vanillish could've also been a standalone mon if Vanillite wasn't a thing. Vanilluxe can be deleted and almost no one would care.Golett has no charm imo. Golurk is cool though. Vullaby and Mandibuzz are mostly fine. Vullaby suffers the same thing as Golett, no charm. But it just doesn't make sense it's 100% female. But that's mainly game mechanics ossue than a design issue.Phantump and Trevenant are good.I think all Ultra beasts are ugly besides Pheromosa. Poipole is cute though.Centiskortch is decent. I hate that it fell into the Galar Facial hair meme. Overall James has a decent track record
>>44088281Go to bed autist.
>>44092201Centiskortch is a 3/4 good concept. The heater circles make it look like a row of condoms
>>44088421Hahahaha arrest yourself
>>44092201The whole line is cool dude.Its like an gundam action figure becoming a real gundam.
>>44087933let's be honest, the only good one is toxtricity, and it appeals only to furries
>>44087920>no Barrawkewda in pic>no Grimmsnarl in pic>no Corviknight in picbased as fuck
>>44092304Holy shit.I never realized Golett could do that.
>>44092372>>44090700>he liked scorvoxion>he liked incomplete brain devolpmentyikes