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Gen 8 has really set the standard low for Pokemon designs.
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God, the water starter is historically bad
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>>44087920
>this image again
>still only half of the designs on it are actually shit
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>>44087920
every gen has its good and bad designs
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>>44087933
Sandaconda is the color of bird poop.
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>>44087968
>Anything white and brown is the color of bird poop
Are you fucking retarded?
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>>44087920
Your parents set the standard pretty low for human designs
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>>44087920
what's wrong with bolthund? The colors are eh, but he looks like a pokemon to me idk what's the big deal
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>>44087920
Is that a poop snake? I didn't keep up with Gen 8.
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>>44087920
Really it's just the starters. The Grass line is the only one with a decent looking final evo.
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>>44087920
Gen 8 designs are either great or dogshit, there's very little in between
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It seems that nowadays gamefreak tries way too hard to come up with interesting concepts and gimmicks for pokemon and in this process they end up drawing these colorful atrocities, which are just unpleasant to see.
I'd rather get a bunch of reused fat kaiju designs like they did in gen 1.
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>>44087968
poop comes in many colors anon
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I was on a thread where people listed their least favorite pokemon, and I saw mostly Cinderace, as I expected, but I also saw a lot of Duraludon, and now here too. What is /vp/'s problem with it?
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>>44088076
I mean if they had cool concepts but were still drawn and rendered competently it wouldn't be an issue. The problem is the artistry itself is bad, both the official art in some cases, and especially the 3D modelling
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>>44087920
>Cramorant
>Orbeetle
>Toxtricity
>Copperajah
>Flapple
>Cinderace
These are unironically based
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>>44088110
This. The concepts would be fine, for most of them. What's missing is the Gen 1-2 watercolor style with rougher and more organic looking creature shapes. Especially since Gen 5, the art style has gotten much more cartoony, bold, saturated, and flat.
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>>44087920
>Orbeetle
>Bad
Fuck you niggas got no taste. Coalossal literally has a hint of a gen 1 Mon.
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>>44087920
My boi looks good in the anime, delete him from the unfamous list
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>>44087920
Even the few good ones, like Grimmsnarl, Orbeetle, Corviknight have shit first stages.
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>>44087920
My main issue with Coalossal is the placement of the coals. It just isn't practical place to put them. Do they all fall off he it falls over? And it's head doesn't flow naturally from the pile of coals that it comes from.

Greedents problem is the face. It's too western. On top of that it's just a squirrel pretty bland. Boltund, Cramorant, and Cinderace fall into the "bland" category too.

Copperajah is far too cube-like for my liking.

Toxtricity just has too much going on.
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>>44088198
Shit taste detected. Impidimp is literally the only good part of that line.
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>>44088132
Cinderace looks like someone's fursona

The soccer rabbit theme is ok but they did not do it justice
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>>44088132
>Copperajah
>Cinderace
>based
Review your shit taste.
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Angry Internet Man With No Art Skills will not get to decide what design is good or bad universally tho
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>>44088205
It would be if it weren't for those noodle limbs. This is Pokemon, not Adventure Time.
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>>44088152
>rougher and more organic looking creature shapes

Exactly. Like you said, you could see this even in Gen 5 with Serperior not having real leaves, Conkeldurr not having proper muscle definition, etc. There were some that still adhered to the old design philosophy in ways that you basically don't see anymore at all, like Braviary still having well-defined feathers and talons, but it was kind of the start of things going wrong.

Like if you go on Showdown and throw Fearow out of a Pokeball it's hilarious. This thing doesn't even look like it belongs to the same series anymore. Even smth like Arcanine or Zapdos kind of gives you whiplash
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>>44088132
Flapple looks extremely basic.
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>>44087920
There are only 6 bad designs in that picture, OP
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>>44088216
Lmao they're not paintings in a museum. You don't need to be a decent artist to know a design in a video game is shit.
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>>44088263
8 actually
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>>44087920
>Orbeetle
>bad
Seethe more ledianigger
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>>44087920
Seething Rillaboomfag. I'm sorry no one out of this echo chamber likes your Green DK.
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>>44088268
You will fail to prove any design you dislike is shit tho. Due to your "weak cultural backbone" problem
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>>44087920
eiscue diaperbot the coal cart and the bird make me legitimately angry
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>>44088178
>Coalossal literally has a hint of a gen 1 Mon.
It looks like the kind of design a fan artist would make in order to make gen 1 look bad
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>>44088205
>Impidimp is literally the only good part of that line.
Terrible bait
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>>44087920
>Cinderace
>Orbeetle
>Inteleon
>Drednaw
>Toxtricity
>Mr. Rime
These mons are based.
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>>44088200
>My main issue with Coalossal is the placement of the coals
No, the main issue is those uncanny valley eyes
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>>44088288
>lower than ice cube
damn...
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>>44088332
>Popularity = Quality
Lo
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>>44088339
In this case yes.
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>>44088195
Yamper and Boltund are good, imagine putting them but not eiscue
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>>44088339
Yes? This is Pokemon. They promote quality designs like Charizard and Pikachu, not shit like Stantler.
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>>44088222
It's a fucking prankster imp. It having skinny limbs makes sense.

>>44088303
Stay mad Shittsnarltard.
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>>44088354
Shit like Cinderace, Obstagoon, Toxtricity, Hattrene and Inteleon are only popular partially due to coomers. And for some that's the only reason.
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>>44088391
>Obstagoon also lower than ice cube
>le coomer boogeyman
your story doesn't check out
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>>44088414
Ice cube is only popular because on contrarians and memes
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>>44088391
>a-anything I don't like is only popular because of porn!
Hahahaha cope
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>>44088420
Idk I don't see any memes about it. Seems to sell well on JP Pokecenter stuff though, in any event.
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>>44088427
It’s because it’s the kind of design that is so bad that is good
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>>44088421
>Furfag apologists.
Reminder according to your argument Lucario and Lopunny are popular just because.
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>>44088438
Damn... a shonen hero metal dog who shoots hadokens and is voiced by Goku is popular... who would have thought
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>>44088453
Still cant explain Lopunnys, Hatterenes or Gardevoirs popularity can you? Coomer apologist detected.
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>>44087920
The only bad ones are the starters, Coalossal, some of the fossils, the Toxicitry line, and the Applin line. The rest of the designs are pretty good.
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>>44087920
>Orbeetle
>Mr. Rime
>Flapple
>Cramorant
>bad
you are a homosexual penis
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>>44088297
>in order to
Golem looks already much shittier than coalossal
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>>44088421
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>>44087920
Damn, I'd actually like Eiscue if its model had the same proportions as the official art.
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>>44088132
>>44088552
>Flapple
No.
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>>44087920
Agreed but get Orbeetle and Tox out of there
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The only truly terrible ones from this list >IMO are:

-Cinderace
-Thwakey
-Intelleon
-Yamper
-Eiscue
-Stonjourner
-Arctozolt? (can’t remember the name)

Raboot is probably the worst one this gen
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>>44088250
So simple monsters are bad now? What happened to "this gen 1 cartoon animal is better because it isn't overdesigned"?
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>>44088095
I think the it’s the fact there’s no real way of telling what it is. It’s a steel/dragon but nothing about the design gives any indication to the inspiration and reasoning behind it. Its proportions are also very goofy and confusing
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>>44090401
Didn't you know? Nu-Gen Pokemon are either simplistic cartoons or overdesigned digimon depending on which boomer is crying
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>>44088198
Corviknight's first and second stages are great.
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>>44087920
People say the same shit every gen.
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>>44087920
>Thwackey
>Cinderace
>Yamper
>Dottler
>Orbeetle
>Drednaw
>Toxtricity
>Duraludon
>Dragon fossils
>Mr. Rime
>Coalossal
And the king himself
>Impidimp

All based. Everything else ranges from meh to trash
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>>44088198
You got garbage taste dude.
Impidimp is my favorite of the line. I miss the devil-like design it's evolutions slowly abandon.
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>>44087920
They're better than the Gen 5 and 6 ones at least
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>>44090611
Nah. Not a single one of them are even Eiscue-tier in laziness
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>>44088198
>Corviknight have shit first stages.
What in the fuck could possibly be offensive about Rookidee and Corvisquire? I swear sometimes you niggas choose pokemon from a hat.
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>>44087920
Red=bad
Orange=bad but I like it anyways
Yellow= Good but has flaws
Green=Great
Blue=pleb filter
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Thievul, Flapple, Orbeetle and Mr. Rime are all great. The rest I agree with.

(Also, Rillaboom is equally as fucking horrific as the other two, I don't know why people always give it a pass).
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>>44088222
It's a fucking imp, it's normal for imps to have skinny limbs.
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>>44088132
Copperajah doesn't even look like a pokemon, looks like a fucking cartoon elephant out of a disney movie
Others are based
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>>44090700
Eiscue is the worst design of all time
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>CINDERACE IS GOOD GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>44090804
Damn anon, you're right, I can hardly see the difference, how'd they get away with this?
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>>44087968
you like scat dont you anon.
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>>44090408
>it’s the fact there’s no real way of telling what it is.
It's a urinal
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>>44088589
How? Colossal is literally just golem but fatter with random spikes and Marge Simpson hair
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tchawkey is amazing
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>>44087920
>thwakey
>cinderace
>orbeetle
>toxel
>toxtricity
>copperaja
>Sandaconda
>Dracozolt
>Impidimp
>dreadnaw
>bad

No.
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>Gen 2 has really set the standard low for Pokemon designs.
fix'd. Game Freak has stated that most of gen 2's designs are literally the rejects of Gen 1 (as in the Pokemon not good enough to make the cut).
So if you have any complaints about any new Pokemon, you can blame Gen 2 for that.
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>>44088367
Skinny limbs don't have to be noodle limbs. Where is the bone structure?
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>>44088363
>STILL letting based reindeer live rent free in his head

Ahahahahahaaaaaa, stay seething my guy.
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>>44090878
Eiscue with Duraludon are the most potent pleb filters in the franchise
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>>44090630
The monkeys arguably are
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>>44091021
The monkeys aren't lazy at all. They're not good either, but they're definitely not lazy and the biggest problem with their designs (at least in regards to the evolutions) is genuine overdesign. There's too many concepts fit into the designs that are all fighting each other for relevancy, and thus the designs lose their appeal because none of those qualities have the space to become fleshed out.
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>>44090996
why should there be visible bone structure on something small and skinny that doesn’t use physical strength to attack?
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>>44091008
That's just a retarded way of saying they're shit
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A problem with lots of gen 8 designs is that they made some of the pokemons too blocky. This look more like a dollarstore toy than a pocket monster imo.
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>>44091052
It was stated by the designer of the monkeys that a different designer made their evolutions, and it shows:

>Unno: “I came up with the designs for Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour. I was told that the Stration City gym was going to have three gym leaders — one would specialize in Grass, another with Fire, and the last one with Water. So I was the team member tasked with designing these gym leaders’ Pokémon. I was also told that the gym was going to be a restaurant, and that the gym leaders were going to be waiters. So I thought it might be interesting if their signature Pokémon can cook.”

>“First, I decided on a Pokémon responsible for carrying vegetables and herbs, then another one will be responsible for the delicious water used in cooking, and the last one will be responsible for monitoring the strength of the cooking flame. Since they were going to have to carry around hot stuff, I made their hands resemble mittens — then I realized that if they’re going to be carrying things, dexterous monkeys would make for a good motif. This line of thinking is how I came up with Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour. Their designs were shaped by what their environment was going to be.”

>“By the way, I gave them all distinct personalities — just like the three starter Pokémon. It was another designer that created their evolved forms, and that designer worked to further emphasize their personality differences. Pansage is kind of a punk, Pansear is carefree, and Panpour is gentle, or some might say smug. Their personalities aren’t as overtly noticeable as the three starter Pokémon, but I did my best to design them so that even before they evolved, you could distinguish their personalities — for example, by the difference in their eyes.”

The base forms and the evolutions were made by two different people with different thought processes.
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>>44087920
I agree. Gen 8 has maybe like 5 Pokemon I like. I didn't buy the games, but even if GameFreak put effort into them, I would still be pissed because of these shit designs. The guy who made the bad designs from gen 5, like Vannillite, is apparently the head of art direction now. James Turner is the worst thing to happen to Pokemon.
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>>44091179
You don't get to criticise if you didn't buy the game.
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>>44088152
For sure. The art style has become complete garbage. Gens 1 - 3 had the best art style and design.
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>>44091191
t. retard
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>>44091179
Art director =/= design director, that was someone different.
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>>44090401
It's not about them being simple, it's the art style.
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>>44091193
There is no "best" art style. All long running series change their art style over time.
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>>44091165
>Pansear is carefree
they failed hard at that, it's eyes make him look worried about everything rather than what they were aiming for.
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>>44090994
It wasn't that they weren't good enough, it was that they couldn't fit all of them in the game. There were supposed to be 190 in Red and Green, but obviously they couldn't fit everything.
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>>44091106
t.Pleb
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I'm convinced that the majority of /vp/ never sees Pokemon as anything more than still images.
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>>44091234
I disagree. When they were first making Pokemon, they wanted their monster design to stand out against other JRPGs, that's why gen 1 Pokemon all have specific design traits, like triangle eyes, round eyes, "cute" eyes, and the small eyes. The art style is also unique. The gen 1 Pokemon were designed to make Pokemon stand out, so it's literally its identity. Gens 1 to 3 stayed in this kind of design theme, but then they started to change it a little bit in gen 4, and a lot in gen 5. Now most Pokemon don't look like they belong in the series.
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>>44091191
I get to criticise designs I can fucking see retard. I don't need to buy the game to criticise designs. I'm not criticising anything else, even though I can and will if I want to.
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>>44091301
>The gen 1 Pokemon were designed to make Pokemon stand out, so it's literally its identity

No, they were designed around the hardware they were on. They literally didn't even draw most of the Pokemon on paper first, they went straight to make the sprites; meaning that RG's shitty sprites are the original designs.

It was the anime that gave Gen 1 Pokemon the designs they have today.
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>>44091351
Okay well, I'm not sure where I read that originally, but I know they designed them as sprites first as well. That doesn't mean they didn't design them to stand out against other JRPGs at the time. Also, Ken Sugimori made the official artwork and that's where the anime got their designs.
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>>44091153
This. I would guess some of them were modeled in 3D first and then the concept/official art came afterwards.
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>>44091179
All the Pokémon James Turner designed
Also Vannillite is fine, I can’t say the same for their evolutions
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>>44091498
That's such a backwards and stupid process that I totally believe GF would do it.
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>>44091516
Hmm. I must have been misinformed that he made all the really bad designs from gen 5. He did make some really bad designs though. Also, he "designed" Shadow Lugia? No, he recoloured normal Lugia to look "shadow", he didn't design it.
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>>44091070
>something small
Sableye
>skinny
It has a pot belly you blind fuck
>that doesn’t use physical strength to attack?
Is it not a physical attacker?
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>>44091566
Shadow Lugia also has a longer crest a its eye things are longer and more jagged.
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>>44091596
>Sableye
What about it?

>It has a pot belly you blind fuck
No it doesn’t.

>Is it not a physical attacker?
Its special attack is literally higher than its physical attack.
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>>44087920
i mean yeah absolutely true
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>>44091616
Fair enough, but I think anybody could have done that.
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>>44087920
honestly I have no problem w/ Greedent, it's probably one of the most viable early route rodents (even if that's not a high bar to cross) and I've always wanted another squirrel mon
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>>44091498
I honestly believe this is how Eiscue came to be. It's like some one took the blender block, than shoved a royalty free penguin model in to it. Added some bits blue and shazam! Here's your new Pokemon.
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>>44087920
>Coalossal
I will hate that fucking thing until I'm on my deathbed. It's the epitome of wasted potential, we could've had a cool speedy coal train pokemon with enough speed to make up for it's shit type, but instead we have a Rhyperior that got caught in a house fire, if this thing was cut from every future installment it would be a blessing, fuck Coalossal and fuck James turner
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>>44091929
Coalssal is definitely wasted potential
Give me my train mon
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>>44087920
>grimmsnarl the jojo stand
>boltund who looks like the dog a knockoff megaman would have
>eiscue, JUST
>of all things, stonehenge but with googly eyes
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>>44091929
Coalossal looks better than Rhyperior. Seethe.
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I hate chewtle so much what fucking turtle has a head too big to fit into its shell
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>>44091929
>>44091950
I don't get why it still has Steam Engine when it's legs aren't wheels anymore
Can you imagine a clunky design like that moving fast?
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>>44088014
I don’t get it myself but people really really hate its eyes/facial expression. For some reason.
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>>44090690
Rookidee is too geometric both in shape and patterns.
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>>44090731
Rolls boom is good without the drum.
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>>44087920
Drednaw is the only good one in this image. I guess Yamper and Boltund are okay too, but not fantastic.
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>>44091516
Vanillite should've been a mythical or standalone mon. It has the vibe. Vanillish could've also been a standalone mon if Vanillite wasn't a thing. Vanilluxe can be deleted and almost no one would care.

Golett has no charm imo. Golurk is cool though.

Vullaby and Mandibuzz are mostly fine. Vullaby suffers the same thing as Golett, no charm. But it just doesn't make sense it's 100% female. But that's mainly game mechanics ossue than a design issue.

Phantump and Trevenant are good.

I think all Ultra beasts are ugly besides Pheromosa. Poipole is cute though.

Centiskortch is decent. I hate that it fell into the Galar Facial hair meme.

Overall James has a decent track record
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>>44088281
Go to bed autist.
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>>44092201
Centiskortch is a 3/4 good concept. The heater circles make it look like a row of condoms
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>>44088421
Hahahaha arrest yourself
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>>44092201
The whole line is cool dude.
Its like an gundam action figure becoming a real gundam.
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>>44087933
let's be honest, the only good one is toxtricity, and it appeals only to furries
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>>44087920
>no Barrawkewda in pic
>no Grimmsnarl in pic
>no Corviknight in pic
based as fuck
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>>44092304
Holy shit.
I never realized Golett could do that.
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>>44092372
>>44090700
>he liked scorvoxion
>he liked incomplete brain devolpment
yikes



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