'tis the season to discuss about how dead the game is gonna be after the first week of the upcoming set.
>>1148495Rotation killed us.No it wasn’t the balance and content neglect or juggling interns in and out of the team.ItWasRotationDoomshitting aside, what decks do you guys like to play and what region combinations are your favorite.For me is weirdball stuff like targon/frelj (not rampshit) or frelj/ionia
>>1148502noxus and anything that runs swain or dariusi thought rotation isn't even implemented, or are you saying the announcement alone killed us
>>1148502Anything with si honestly, I like how riot is making it more focused in death and sacrifice rather than the default control secondary region.
>>1148505The rotation news scared a bunch of people away.I mean it’s already been confirmed for a while now.But my post was more of a jab on the black/white thinking that rotation alone killed the game
just hit master, but it feels like cheating because i was using annie/jhin
what do these icons on some people's accounts mean
>>1149201You get those from completing gauntlets, you can see the whole rewards list in the gauntlet tab.
>>1149205is gauntlet worth playing for the experience? never did any serious mode with banningare side decks a thing? probably not huh
>>1149212I massively prefer best of 3, with a good deck setup absolutely every single match is winnable. Matchmaking has a much less significant effect in bo3, because you can't get dropped into a 20% wr matchup like you can on ranked ladder. But I'll warn you, it's a real sweatfest. People pretty much only run high tier decks, so come with a counterpick or two for the meta stuff.
>>1149259Also all of this only applies when gauntlet is Standard bo3, right now it's singleton bo1, a total meme format in which people are just fucking around building silly decks.
I've just started playing Ranked. Crafted some basic Demacia/Illaoi decks along with Annie/Jhin and Deep. Are there any other decks you guys would recommend to climb from Silver IV?
>>1149212annie/jhin basically plays itselfi just browse the leaderboard and copy decks with regions and champs i enjoy, then modify from thereso many decks are viable right now that you don't have to force yourself to play stuff you dislikeup until platinum it felt like people didn't even try, so i assume literally bottom tier decks can climb there
>>1149846meant for >>1149795dunno how that tag happened
Im a newfag and have Xbox pass, any good decks I can build with foundation cards or it's already powercrept
when the brackets reset at season end, where do you get placed from masters? plat?also, does the amount of points influence placement, i.e. can i play down my points to receive a lower rating on reset?
>>1149860Obviously you can't make full deck with just foundations, but Elites are like 60% Foundations + few commons
that mono shurima renekton deck is so much funmaking him BIG and then surprise attacking a weak unit on the opponents turn unexpectedly for lethal feels criminalthey never see it coming
>>1150123Add The list for turn 4 lethals
>>1149860Spider aggro is always decent and can be built with only foundations cards. It will be suboptimal until you unlock more cards, but functional regardless.
>>1149877>when the brackets reset at season end, where do you get placed from masters? plat?Yes>also, does the amount of points influence placement, i.e. can i play down my points to receive a lower rating on reset?No, you always go down 2 divisions, master players always start a new season at plat 4 regardless of their points.
>>1150480fuck, that means i'll have to refrain from laddering for the entire coming season to drop all the way
Strange, Jack the Winner in the new promotional material.
>>1150651Well, they did promise more LoR original champions.
>>1150661He is kinda random.
https://twitter.com/PlayRuneterra/status/1637892675545468930I recognize the kpop punchy man and Jack, but is the 3rd one a league champ or an OC?
>>1150772It's a noxus lol champion samira aka as the one who fits leblanc card better than leblanc, i expect her to have reputation.
>Jack the Winner getting rotated so we can get Jack the Champion insteadHe better be really fucking cool to fill TF's shoes.
>>1150772Are they adding Samira to the game?
>>1150846Yes, Sett and Jack, the winner* too.*giving credence to the comma theory.
>>1150722so I guess hes gonna be support for the "self-damaging" archetype? his current card deals damage to ally units for burn and hes depicted here with tahm's symbol.
https://twitter.com/bkopleck/status/1637870589460512769?t=v5W08R7T7dZ9M3zeF8VohA&s=19spoilers start tomorrow
>epic capsule upgraded to Champ capsule>finally get LeblancVery cool Riot, thank you. :)))))
>run Demacia>queue against Ryze>t1 drop Cythria>opponent concedesDon't know how to feel about using one cancer to cut another. :/
>>1149846I see. I remember enjoying Annie/Jhin in PoC, so I'm hoping for good things with it in Ranked. Also planning to build up my collection to run Mono Shurima after the new expansion drops.
>>1151018elites is pretty manageable, they're only really bad when they highroll. ryze is a "win or lose" type of deck where your deck beats him or your deck doesn't.>>1151015look, they even gave you the tactician for the OTK
>>1151020Fair enough. I guess I'll still want to branch out to other decks since I'm really bored of this one.
>>1148495>didn't put lorg in the name
>log in>"see spoilers at mobalytics.gg" with a pic of the champs>spoiled before the spoilers are out
>>1150880I assume he is going to be face of the package for Tahm decks, which is long long overdue>>1151018That's not even the best 1-drop Elites has lmao
>reach new milestone on ladder with a lot of luck>now stuck in a tier where everyone is a lot better than me and i can't complete the daily pvp winsfaaantastic
>>1151104They released an art teaser showing all 3 champs yesterday, that's already old news.
>>1151249The real news is Jack, the Winner being a champion.I wonder if that Solari dude will also be promoted to championhood.
>>1151251Rahvun? Probably not without some tweaks, unlike Jack he is already pretty central to any daylight deck
>>1151255Yes, it is because of the comma.
First spoilers out, seems we are getting more token mechanics
>>1151273We got another comma character.
>>1148502>For me is weirdball stuff like targon/freljBased Snow Targonbro, this is my favorite deck yo humiliate Ryzefags
>>1151273Honestly feels extremely out of place for coins to be in Ionia and not Bilgewater
>>1151317>Mana cheating>BilgewaterTho I wouldn't mind each region getting it's own coins, that would be funny>extremely out of place to be in IoniaIt's in Sett's package and actually makes sense with the whole invasion and cultural mixing plotline
If both Samira and Jack end up generating coins too, do you think we'll get different art for each region's coin?
expansions in this game are the most boring shit i've ever seenand even though he's seems like a fag, this guy was probably onto somethinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2tVSC-sng&list=PLphu8NE8GQc4ldfNEEFX3dOPv_ihxADvs&index=1
>>1151321Did you forget bilgewater has a whole slew of cards that say "plunder: i cost x less" or a unit that fucking discounts your whole deck by 2? It's silly to design a coin hoarding system and not put it in the pirates and gambling region
>>1151327Is this a bait?
>>1151334why would you think that
>>1151345Mostly cause 95% of what he talks about doesn't apply to LoR
>>1151349that we died within 2 years doesn't apply? i'm not saying the individual reasons he lists there explain it 1:1 for this game
>>1151351Game itself seems to be fine to meWell, threads are dead, but that is no indication of how alive game is>this guy was probably onto something>i'm not saying the individual reasons he lists there explain it 1:1 for this gameSo literally the only point you have is "a lot of games die in two year, so that make this fag correct"?
>>1151354>a lot of games die in two year>expansions in this game are the most boring shit i've ever seenone his points is that card games are too scared to try something wild and just reach for rotation as a substitute instead of a supporting tool to facilitate bonker ideas to experiment withwe've only seen a handful cards so far but i have a hunch it's gonna be more of the same as alwaysnot that crazy ideas are gonna turn it around at this late stage, but it can't hurt either
>>1151375but rotation is a way to possibly implement crazy ideas, the things about the rotation planned for this game is to rotate cards that either limit design space (twisted fate or ezreal for example) because trying to implement cool cards that synergize too much with them could be too much. alternatively rotation is also planning to take someone shit like vlad and experiment with an updated version of him.
>no one posted the cardsCmon guys
>>1151440Master bingwen seems to be the payoff for the coin gameplan, stack a bunch of coins, play him, play coin and duplicate an expensive unit. Seems like he'd be nuts if you can stack 9 coins and duplicate praa.
>>1151446>>1151440>ionia's new gimmick is more mana cheatfucking hell
>>1151440Seems pretty good but Ionia is a weird region for it. If this kinda mechanic was in Demacia it'd be nuts, but Ionia doesn't tend to play on curve at all. All depends on Sett as usual
Here is your new champion.
>>1151472pretty cool, honestly I couldn't care about sett or samira but pretty excited to see what him and his archetype will be like.
>>1151472He's good. Better than Tranny the Traveller or side shave femnoid Cithria
gonna abuse this if the coins ever become strong
>>1151602>Coin is burst speedGood luck getting rid of itNow pranking that shit...
>>1151615just wait until you get the attack token and use it as your first action. then they couldn't refill any mana.
>>1151617It can still refill spell mana
>>1151618thats true but it basically would kill any combo they wanted to go for with minions while making the best mana they can refill 3 spell mana (assuming it isn't already full).
Interesting that coins cost 1 mana and refill 1 mana. So you need to hit at least 2 points of coin synergy before they do anything.I have a feeling that unless there's a fuckload of coin support beyond what's revealed today, it's not going to be run in its own package as a mana cheat and is instead just going to be spellcast synergy for champs like Fizz/Nami and Flow.
>>1151632keg decks will probably take advantage of it, you can either use it to fuel the kegs or to refill mana to summon another marai when they tap out removing your first one.
>>1151634>kegs in ioniaNot happening. Kegs need damage spells to point at nexus or else they'll never actually win. Ionia has nothing that activates kegs. Bilgewater alone doesn't have enough damage spells to self-sufficiently pay off kegs because despite damage-based spells being an explicit part of their region identity, they only have like 3 playable ones and almost never get new spells.
>>1151440Does the coin price stack too or is it always 1 mana? Because if coin prices stack then it's just a spell mana->mana conversion.
>>1151646Always 1 mana
>>1151647Then I can see this getting out of control very quickly so long as they have the generation and draw.
>>1151632It's a non-issue for yi/jhin decks.
>>1151446>Seems like he'd be nuts if you can stack 9 coins and duplicate praa.Only need to stack 5+1 spell or 6 if no spell mana, only has to replace his own cost. Now if you're talking 9 on the other hand, Bout Security 3 times -> coins -> 3 more times, you'd have 6 8/8's with quick attack on board.
>>1151101Game generals outside /vg/ get nuked
>>1151737/wrg/ has been up for a month.
https://twitter.com/bkopleck/status/1637939236887465986I will now play your new champion
>>1151761She's just like that.
>>1151478Neither of those characters are champions.
>>1151803There was a poll a few months back on what followers should be turned into champs, it included Cithria and Chip (don't remember Jack desu). I thought they were talking league champ, didn't think they'd be LoR champs so fast.
When will riot ever top Rising Tides? It was by far the most successful card launch they've ever done.
>>1151876Link to it? Who were the top 3?
>>1152007No idea, I tried to search for it but all I got were algorithm abusing sites.
>>1152007>>1152012Ok, a ton of searching and some luck later, the one I was thinking of was apparently not an official poll, it links back to some r*ddit shit.https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/qh4vo7/results_from_the_fun_notatall_serious_redditor/>Name 1 follower you think should become a Champion.>pic
>>1152012Thanks, I found one over reddit. Iron Boar was first in the lore poll.
Did they added more dragons yet?
>>1152026Last dragon I remember them adding is broodfather and the empower oneAnd speaking of dragons, when are SI's dragons getting support?
>>1152030Yeah but can i now play Shyvana without being gatekeeped by her mediocre monsters?
>>1151803Yeah, and Jack wasn't either. That's the whole point.
>>1152038No.Also, Shyvana got a slight update, instead of having to see 12 damage from dragons you now need 16 damage by dragons total (seen or unseen).
>>1152042>No.Trash soulless game then, call me when they add an OC cool dragon champ (before EoS) instead of Jack the literally who
Sett reveal
>>1152140First guess he is good with ramp?
>>1152141I hate how much draw game gets lately
>>1152140Schizophrenic championUnflipped he's a mindless challenger beatdown like Vi with text that helps him 2 for 1His flip has nothing to do with challenging, going to combat, trading board value or surviving combat and is instead just "PLAY ME WITH COINS PLEASE"Then his flip doubles down on the whole "challenger beatdown" but also just has that extra bit crammed in there to say "PLEASE KEEP PLAYING ME WITH COINS"Malphite ass champ. Coins are cool but this guy is fucking lame.
>>1152141Isn't Place Your Bets kind of shit?It's essentially 5 mana refund 1 mana. How does this even remotely hold a candle to the new PnZ draw card?
>>1152151It's refund 2 if you have any coins> hold a candle to the new PnZ draw card?Drum solo is absolutely disgusting and should be nerfedFormula is more or less the same card (6 refund 3 as spell mana)
>>1152154Yeah but generating coins is priced into every card that generates coins. You technically get 2 mana back, but you already paid for one of those points of mana somewhere else.Feels like it probably generated 3 coins and then nerfed it pre-release.
What the hell is this champ?>boxer catboy mama's boy with the mind of a child>mechanics revolve around money, champ spell is a stun, payoff is obliterate + AoE ping>in the region that doesn't do pings, AoE or obliteratesI get them trying to push like boxer = betting but this whole kit honestly just seems so weird and off-theme. Why is any of this ionian?
>>1152163Yeah, show stopper should ahve just been a 0 mana dragon kick instead. It feels too weird in ionia even if champions are allowed to break the color pie.
>Sett's flipped art shows him facing JackCalling it now, Jack is going to be the other half of the coin package and the reason Sett's design is so weird is that they want him to work with kegs.
>>1152140Wonder if he'll get cute interactions with Aphelios.
>>11521583 coins would absolutely fucking brokenLiterally every other card gives 1 coins, so I assume it gave you 1 coin too and then they buffed it
>>11522063 coins is effectively 2 mana refund, which would make it equivalent to Formula and fit the current pattern for how Riot has been designing draw. Drum Solo is 5 mana and gives you a 4 mana discount, but I didn't compare it to that because it's obvious that Drum Solo is cancer and the game absolutely doesn't need any more draw as overtuned as it.
>>1152225You're overlooking the fact that the mana refund comes as an aditional spell in a region that has a lot of ways to benefit from playing spells, it's not as good as drum solo because drum solo is broken but it's in line with other draw cards.
>>1152225That would literally makes it better than formula in every way(can be casted earlier, refunds actual mana on demand rather than spell on spot, coin can be used to trigger flow which is always good in like half of all Ionia decks)Right now you could argue they are kinda the same outside of their intended decksI still think they made it 4 cost 1 coin refund (literally in line with every coin generator) and changed later cause it felt bad outside of coin decks
>>1152176Jack has blue veins, demon power up?
>>1152283He was originally part of Tahm's package so it's not beyond reason.
We also got El Padre de Sett.>>1152284Wonder if this set will have more demonic stuff.
>>1152289Wasn't his father noxian?
When are they revealing whats getting rotated
>>1152300Samira is literally in the background. I assume he's just in Iona.
>>1152289kinda weird that we're getting what seems to be his dad, but not his mom as a follower.
>>1152300He is a Noxian human, he is just wearing a costume.>>1152311She doesn't know about the pit fights.
When is Jack's level 2 splash coming out?
>>1152317whenever they reveal him
>>1152305They already did months ago.
>>1152323they revealed 3 cards as a preview of what it'd be like, not a full list
>>1152332Closer to 15 actually, but yeah, absolutely not a full list
>>1152313Why does his costume look like that one batman elusive nobody plays
>>1152370Vastaya themed masked luchador.
>>1152289Is that batman's father?
>>1152528All but stated to be Sett's father.
>>1152529I didn't realize batman was Sett's brother, no wonder he's a challenger.
>>1152140Fastest you can level him with no mana regaining is turn 9 (45 mana).With 1 ramp that's 8 (46 mana)With 2 ramp that's still 8.Of course, we all know you're going to be playing him with coins and probably P&Z if you're going all in on him, so you can probably level him on 6-7 if you really try. But that's still pretty slow imo. Playing him with FTR might be interesting, he has a Tryndamere-like ability, but FTR is supposed to be game ending not value giving so I doubt it'd work.
>>1152535Small mistake, 1 ramp it's 41 mana on 8, 2 it's 45 on 8 (assuming you ramp at 5 and 7 respectively).
>>1152539*ramp to 5 and 7, from 3+3 spell mana and 5Took me 3 hours to realize that and we're only at page 2.
>>1152535Why PnZ I'm not seeing any real synergy besides Victor, but he doesn't really need any mana cheating, he has enough alreadyWith just coins and his package I don't see him being leveled at 6, assuming it works the exactly same way as Lux and spell copying I can see it being with soul cleave
>>1152747*being possible on turn 6>But that's still pretty slow imoHis flip is pretty good, generating the best removal in the game
>ftr creates a showstopper>ice pillar into sett creates a showstopper>ice pillar into old timer recalls entire board with 0 coinsfeel the minah is back baby
>>1152851FTR is getting rotated anon. Trundle probably is, too.
Variety
>>1152903Some memes and really good predict for Ekko
>>1152905Whoops
>>1152903>>1152910Other than maybe clocking this is a bunch of pack filler. Kinda surprised to see flashbomb support too, I guess cait isn't gonna be rotated
>>1152921Clockling is insane though, pretty much better Zap Sprayfin honestly
>>1152910>ephemeral support for aggro Azir since they're rotating Irelia>predict support that's actually interesting for a changeI like it, honestly.Flashbomb peddler is going to get nerfed really quickly
>>1152935I wouldn't say better, but they are definitely similar.Zap tutors a spell, while this one Predicts. Zap has Attune, while this one just discounts the card you pick.The good things about Zap is that you're reasonably guaranteed to get the thing you want since it's drawing from a pool you build your deck around controlling for, and the mana refund from attune can be spent at any time on any thing. Predict has a very good chance of just hitting 3 shit cards you don't want right now and then you're stuck with the discount wasted on one of them.But yes, Shuriman Zap that hits predict synergy is nuts and going to become a mainstay in most Shurima decks. I wonder if this telegraphs them rotating Zap and the bilgewater attune package.
>rotate avarosan sentry>print SI sentry>rotate puffcap peddler>print flashbomb peddler>rotate zap sprayfin>print zap clockfinI warned you fucks they would do this. They aren't rotating cards to narrow the pool or whatever the fuck. They're just cutting good cards so they can release them again and pad expansions with little effort. This whole circus is just the LoR devteam coping with the fact that they have a fraction of the budget and manpower they had a year ago.
>>1152938>shurimanIt's PnZ that's why it's nuts
Why won't they add my man Karthus already.
>>1153096>last 3 Shadow Isles champs were Gwen, Senna, and ViegoYou can blame the Ruined King event
looks like all the new champs are coming to PoC
>>1152903kekthe visual jokes in this card game are something
>>1152903They should retheme augment, they have been giving it to a bunch of non technological units just for the effect and it feels weird every time.
>>1153159It's literally these three and out of all of them only painter is straight up not mechanical
Jack's package I assume?>noxus plunderHUH
>>1153621>Brash
Hot
>>1153621Lick Inferna tummy
>>1153621Inferna seems to be attacking his ship, and the daring demolisher is attacking Sett's arena.I think they are Samira's.
>>1153621>>1153626Is this real? Are we actually getting a bunch of bilgewater cards that work with the region as a whole and not only their archetype?
>>1153621No fucking way they don't rotate Sej and maybe GP with this>Riptide activated trice>>1153637I feel like half of the region getting the axe with this
Brash is leaked to be reverse fearsome. Looks pretty strong to me>Forcing trades by pinging shit>>1153635Yeah, on the second thought you are probably right>>1153637Half of them is Noxus tho
>>1153640Seems like Samira is crashing the party with no survivors.
>Zilean>Cooler Zilean
>- Brazen Buccaneer >“I’d steer clear of her if I were you. She’s got a real nasty habit of making her problems other people’s.” - Samira
>>1153649I guess if this is Samira's package she is runeterran? Noxus Bilge doesn't work for her, unless they do shit like with Senna/Noc where they shoehorn champion into other region just for the theme
>>1153621I guess plunder does make sense for noxus. But the potential fusion of pirates and plunder decks might be a bit much.
will they just keep adding keywords?
>>1153650I hope we don't see runeterra champions ever again
>>1153672Probably?The whole point of a keyword is to show what card does without writing a novel on a cardImagine your card, but every keyword is fully written >>1153678Why? Some of them are good, not everyone is just a pocket region like Jax or Eve
>>1153661It's on purpose.This is just pirates 2.0, telegraphing that most of bilgewater's core aggro tools are getting rotated (probably along with mf/gp) so they're replacing them while making a concerted effort to make the deck more combo focused and less go wide smork.If they rotate blackmarket merchant I'm quitting this fucking game
>dame the despoiler is noxus>barbed chain, a card featuring her weapon, is bilgewaterWhy, at least make her multiregion if you're going to do this shit.
>>1153689They do this shit constantly. They design a package for 1 region and then arbitrarily split its cards between regions later down the line with no consideration for theme. All this tells is is that this archetype is coming down pre-nerfed
>>1153621>activate an ally's plunder effectIs this like, actually good with anything but Rex? Most Plunder effects at this point are in-hand discounts on intentionally overpriced spells (RIP monster harpoon) or really minor stat buffs that are only appealing when they're essentially activated for free. The only plunder effects I'd want to repeat after already putting them on the board are Rex and Blackmarket Merchant, but there's a 99% chance they just rotate every Nab card because it made someone asshurt 2+ years ago
>>1153650Isn't Samira Noxian?
Calling it now, they're going to rotate MF, Crackshot Corsair, the 1/1 elusive, Jagged Taskmaster, Hired Gun etc.Samira is going to be a 3 or 4 mana backline champ that makes it easier to attack or trigger plunder and pushed with GP to literally just replaced rotated cards from Pirate aggro.
>>1153703Shuriman - Noxian, but she has nothing to do with Bilge>>1153697Citrus courier, smooth soloist, tuskraider, spiritwalker if not flipped yetRegardless, it's just an option, plunder on a body if fine too
>>1153640In a vacuum Brash would feel strictly worse than Fearsome but I can see how it hits synergy with bilgewater pings and that can create some interesting situations since you don't necessarily have to kill a unit to effectively remove it as a blocker.
>>1153626When will riot realize "draw x fleeting at the start of your turn" is not good? Bilgewater has so fucking many cards that do this and none of them are playable. They literally printed Barbed Chain last expansion as equipment support and nobody ever played it because it's fucking ass. Inferna is the same shit. Expensive follower with shit stats in exchange for milling your own deck. Nobody wants this.
>>1153716I would argue game has more 3/2 that 2/3sRegardless, in vacuum if I have 2 3/1 and enemy has 4/5 he can trade that 4/5 with both fearsomes but only 1 of brash
>>1153719The issue is more than units with 3 or more hp tend to be really good and every good deck tends to already run them. The overwhelming majority of strong decks will be running a 2/3 that also does good things on top of being a 2/3.Fearsome is effective because 3/x is an aggressive statline and only aggressive decks want to run it, but the existence of fearsome aggro forces decks to play followers that don't gel with their gameplan just to have fearsome blockers. Whereas having lots of hp naturally makes units good blockers, and most units with control/combo value have defensive statlines so brash is adding value to blockers those decks would have already wanted to run. Brazen Buccaneer trades evenly into Aspiring Chronologist, which is not good.What can make Brash good is that you can reduce hp outside of combat via AoE damage or pings to effectively remove blockers. There are very few ways to reduce power for Fearsome and even fewer that are readily accessible to the fearsome regions, but Bilgewater and Noxus both excel at pings and AoE damage so Brash can serve as additional payoff to playing to their region strengths.
i'm a shitter so i might be over valuing this but also just combat reduces toughnessso outside of regen or heal, you can use a unit to block against brash once, but even if it doesn't die it can't block againthat's probably not great value, admittedly, but
>>1153730It can make sense of the deck is building towards some like 8/8 Brash Double Attack unit that just wants to come down and end the game if you don't have a brash blocker left, but otherwise just slamming your units into blockers that don't die is throwing cards away and likely to just run you out of units.Plus Noxus has flock, so the kind of situation where removing a blocker for Brash is better than just removing a blocker entirely is going to be really narrow unless there's a lot more Brash payoff coming tomorrow. Right now we have 1 Brash follower, tomorrow we're likely to get Samira (who will probably be Brash) and like 2 other new cards. Then it's variety day, Jack's followers and finally Jack. There isn't a whole lot of space left to release enough Brash cards for Brash aggro to be a thing.
>>1153734Flock is 200% rotated with all this new shit
>make it rain is getting rotatedoh no
>>1153717Pick a Card was good enough that it got nerfed
>>1153829Pick a Card was TF's champ spell, and was only "good" in the sense that you would only ever have it on your hand with TF on the board and it just served to accelerate his level up by milling 2 topdecks.
>>1153640Poppy and Galio are back
>>1153628Pentakill Seraphine looking nice.
New cards season just isn't the same without Swim...
>>1153854Formidables are still meh for many reasonsI wish tho
>>1153697It's only a 2 drop and it has a decent body, I could even see it being used in taskmaster decks.
>>1153650I don't see how she could be runeterran unless she can pull plunder cards which makes no sense.Probably just going to be a maokai situation where your regions are pre-selected.
>>1154092A Plunder origin would be dogshit because you'd have all of the payoff but none of the activators. It would be the same problem Jhin has, where he wants to play spell synergy but is stuck with only 1 region's spells.What's interesting to me so far about Samira's followers is that they're far more combo-focused than previous Plunder cards have been. While she's obviously designed for Bilge/Nox pirate aggro 2.0, I could totally see pairing some of these with Freljord in a similar list to Sej/GP-assuming Samira herself holds up.
>Try not to stareMy dick can be only so hard
>>1154327
Cards
>>1154332No fucking way GP isn't rotated
>>1154333So elegant edge is just a better jagged butcher in another region
>>1154332That flair is wrong, in the video it gives you a choice between dealing 1 to the nexus or giving an ally challenger.
>>1154341Oh, right, they put in one of tokens instead of proper card, lmao
>>1154332Can already tell she's gonna be ridiculously broken in PoC.
>>1154327>>1154329now we're talking>>1154333>>1154332pretty cool, seems pretty aggressive, but looks like it'd be kinda hard to play 12+ cards in an aggro deck or something while shes alive to get the rally.
>>1154332I am so glad the autobuild era is over, they clearly made her with bilgewater in mind but she is flexible enough to be able to play with other regions.
>no other brash cardsI guess brash is gonna be jack's thing. hope they don't make him some awkward fearsome-like archetype and have him be nocturne but in bilgewater.
>>1154355the autobuild era is not over. The flexible champs like Annie and Samira are all designed by Rubinzoo. We still get autobuild champs like Aatrox all the time because 90% of Riot's card designers are fucking awful at their jobs.
>>1154332>2 mana 2/2 Quick AttackFarewell, Draven. It was an honor.>plunder-based protection spell at 1 manaAbsolutely nuts. This is one of the best champ spells they've printed in ages>>1154344>flairI appreciate that it's an easily generated token and Samira will probably create 2 unless she gets Mystic Shot'd, but this is literally Warning Shot for 1 mana.>>1154333>Stylish ShotVery cool. 1 Mana Warning Shot is a lot more appealing when it can infinitely regenerate itself.>plunder BadgerbearEhh. Part of what makes Jagged Butcher good is that a textless 2/2 is still an acceptable statline for a 1 drop, so it's a playable card even when you can't activate plunder. A 3 mana 1/4 is not a playable card, which means this guy is going to brick in your hand on 3 most of the time.>Elegant EdgeFucking ridiculous. People will play this as a 1/2 just because it's a 1 drop with fearsome, but playing this as a 1 mana 3/2 is just crazy. Literally an Arachnoid Horror for 1 mana.>adroit artificierStatwise, this is basically a 5 mana gloryseeker. Its text seems good but it's basically payoff for having a wide board of plunder units that gain stats from plunder (ie these new ones), so you can develop into your turn 5 swing. That's good when you have a big board and you're already doing well, but it's often going to be coming down against control decks and only activating 1 ally's plunder because your opponent hasn't been afk. Feels overpriced and understatted for an extremely feast-or-famine effect. I'd play Daring Demolisher but I wouldn't bother with this guy.
>>1154362Makes sense. The icon for Brash is a fist and Jack's supposed to be a former boxer now running a betting racket.I have a strong feeling Jack's package is going to be more Nox/Bilge and be made to fit with Samira's package. Otherwise Samira decks are just going to look like Pirate Aggro with the noxus cards swapped for new ones.
>>1154333>No fucking way GP isn't rotatedThey wouldn't rotate a 5 drop to make room for a 2 drop.My guess is that Noxus is losing Draven because they already nerfed him to replace him with Rumble. Samira's text essentially being the same as Draven's but with Warning Shots instead of Spinning Axes telegraphs it pretty hard.As for Bilgewater, my bet is that MF is getting rotated, because Riot's been seething about Scouts for half a year, and because that opens up the low cost spot in Pirates curve for Samira. GP will probably survive because without him they might as well rotate sej, and because cutting him means there's almost no real plunder payoff left in the 4+ mana curve. Taking a healthy combo archetype that's been a mainstay since launch, rotating all of its payoff, giving it a dozen 1/2 drops and turning it into brainless aggro would just be retarded. Not even Riot is that stupid.
>>1154381Rotating draven would be retarded, he's one of the most fair champions in the game there's no reason to rotate him at all
Prediction:every region is losing the same number of champions EXCEPT for Bilgewater, Ionia and Noxus. Those regions are losing 1 extra champion to make room for this expansion, so that the totals will be roughly standard afterwards.Bilge: TF, MF, TahmIonia: Karma, Leesin, IreliaNox: Draven, Katarina, Vlad>>1154382Draven was one of the most fair champions in the game as a 3/3 and then they nerfed him to a 3/2, in a transparently terrible and unpopular decision, entirely to create a space in the discard archetype for them to release Rumble into. Riot has been doing this 'nerf a card to print their replacement' shit for a while and it's obvious that Draven has already been sacrificed. Samira being Draven and Akshan's gay ship baby just drives home the fact that he's getting trashcanned.
will the expansion bring new cosmetics
They're really gonna wait till the 28th to let everyone know what's getting rotated aren't they?
>>1154375>but this is literally Warning Shot for 1 mana.It's a generated plunder activator, it's probably more likely to be 1 mana challenger. The only other challenger givers are Entracing Lure and Sonic Wave (both of which cost 2 mana but also have a secondary ability). There's also Royal Decree but the main benefit there is the +2/2 for the round.
did SI have a different 'kill unit then revive it' spell before spirit journey? i swear i remember one from beta
>>1154776It has a unit that does that.
>>1154786oh it was a unit, that's why i couldn't find itthanks
SI + Noxus plunder featuring Adroit Artificer being spammed with its revive cards/soul cleave.Pity it isn't BW because then you could do some retarded rex shenanigans. Currently only real options would be Dame and Dandy.
>>1154791Artificier is not a good card. There are just too few 'hits' for it, as in far too few plunder units in Noxus that have plunder effects good enough to be worth recycling at 5+ mana. Artificier wants to come down on a boardful of plunder units so it can buff everything and essentially be a Noxus Cithria, but since most of these units have low hp and are very vulnerable to removal, that 'dream' is basically never going to happen unless you were already shitstomping your opponent. In this batch, the only card with a plunder effect good enough to reuse is Dandy, but unless you have multiple Dandys on the board there's no point in using Artificier over just using like Daring Demolisher with Fading Memories/Iterative. And even then, you're just getting +3 power per pop. Like it's not bad but you're not winning the game on the spot there, so why would you even build your deck around such a limp-wristed "combo"?Artificier won't see play outside of maybe some kind of mindless monkey aggro deck with Jagged Butcher et al. but I expect Demolisher to enable a few interesting plunder combo variations by recycling cards like Black Market Merchant, Rex or even Smooth Soloist.
>>1154862I bet monkeys get rotated. Powder monkeys are never allowed to be good.
>>1154864I mean this seems cute but it essentially hardcaps at 6 minus every unit you still have on board. Both plunder champs already require 5 to flip so that wasn't really a hard ask even before this new set. Powder Pandemonium is essentially a 4 mana decimate in most cases which I guess isn't bad at all with these new cards.But really, how many fucking bilgewater cards can they afford to rotate? It's starting to feel like all we'll be left with is Deep and Tentacles.
>>1154907>Bunch of reprints>Paddle star without ZoeOh boy
>>1154907>demacia's 5 mana capture, but now 4 mana>"please play avalanche">alpha wildclaw 2.0>>1154908>SI Culling Strike>SI Reckoning>better broadback>Paddle StarNot gonna lie this expansion is starting to reek of "we rotated a bunch of cards just to reprint them"
>>1154908Why reprint paddle star even if you rotate zoe? Just leave the card there
>>1154911Paddle was token, no?You had to play 5 mana to remove one unit
>>1154913Paddle is a card you can put in your deckSleepy Trouble Bubble, Zoe's champ spell, also generates a fleeting Paddle Star.Paddle is 3 mana deal 5, so I guess they decided that rather than adjusting its cost, they'd just rotate it and reprint it with the buff.Detain is also 5 mana capture, so once again they're just reprinting it instead of buffing it.What's curious is that both Detain and Paddle Star are tellstone tokens. I wonder if they're going to leave them in the tellstones despite rotating the maindeck versions, or if they'll update the tellstones with new cards.
>>1154907>Detain but worseWhy
>>1154916This is technically Demacia's only spell-based landmark removal.
>>1154924That's true, but it's still really bad to the point of being unplayable
what happens if you capture a champion, play another copy of it, and then end the capture?
>>1154931You'll have two of them
>>1154931you have 2 champion
>>1154385Rumble was never meant to replace draven, what the hell ? Straight up deranged post
>>1154965I'll break the timeline down for you anon>way, way back in the heydey of Tribeam (Draven/Ez)>riot releases an interview where they talked about carefully monitoring the health of tribeam and considered nerfing draven down to a 3/2, but when they tried it the nerf absolutely murdered his playability>resolved by saying they didn't want to nerf champions directly out of playability like that and would rather hit deck winrates in other ways. Additionally said that they liked Draven's current play pattern and would never want to nerf him out of play by making him die to mystic shotFast forward several expansions>Sion/Draven had been too good for a while, just recently got targeted nerfs to a few cards, including sion's stats>Draven still a 3/3>when they nerfed sion, they referenced the old interview and maintained that they didn't feel nerfing draven was the right direction>winrates for discard aggro drops to comfortable levels, but it remains a good tourney deck because of matchups>suddenly>out of nowhere>"hi guys we're nerfing draven">drop him to a 3/2, immediately provokes backlash>players remind riot of their own past words on the subject>some chucklefuck responds "yeah well that was then and this is now. The situation's changed">2 weeks later>Rumble releasedIt was as obvious then as it is now. They reneged on their past words and nerfed Draven to make room for a new, competing discard champ in the same region.
What's your highest ladder rank anons?
>>1154969Nothing to do with wanting to replace him and everything to do with them outright stating they had changed their mind on the "never nerfing out of viability issue" and thought that occasionally making a champion that has been evergreen since beta unplayable for a while was an acceptable way of switching things up. Exact same happened with Fiora.Rumble cannot in any way be a replacement for Draven as they don't fill the same spot, let alone actually work in the same decks.
>>11549720 elo masters, it's what I just aim for every season
>>1154976very nicehow many times did you reach it?
CARDS YOU WANT TO SEE FUCK OFF TO ETERNAL FOREVER :FlockRearguardDecimateEye of the dragonTwin disciplineNorra
>>1154978if the leaked list of rotated cards is true then all of those but norra are going
>>1154979There's a 0% chance flock is getting rotated. The 'leaked list' is just redditors LARPing.The actual rotation is going to be even more fucking stupid and the main reason riot is being hushhush about it is to try and conceal for as long as possible the fact that they're just clearing away cards so they can pad future expansions rereleasing them.
>>1154977The last 3 seasons, and season 2+3Currently diamond 1, aiming for masters tomorrow. Cutting it tight because I focused more on gaunlets this season
>>1154982100% of flock getting rotated and swain's champion spell being changed to death's hand.Source : my lucid dreaming and deep meditations
>>1154988Either that or Swain being rotated too
I just went 6-2 with Ryze in Gauntlet and I liked it till the very end
>>1155022There are quite a few noxus champs ahead of swain in the list, but more than that he just got buffed recently and they wouldn't still be bothering to buff/rework champs they were going to send to the shadowrealm in a few months.That's also how we know champs like Lucian and Garen are safe, despite having been forgotten shitters for years. Riot's been going around token-buffing all the old champs they don't plan to rotate to justify not rotating them.
>>1154972I'm a PoChad.
>>1154907>>1154908Reprinting what we're assuming are replacements to rotating cards makes no sense. It makes some sense in a physical game but just adjust the card you dumb niggers.
>>1155150Eternal format tho
>>1155150It makes sense when you realise riot is struggling to fill the release quota for expansions because of how LoR's budget has been slashed, and that simply remaking cards again takes less time and effort than coming up with new ones. This is basically shuffling your feet to make it look like you're busy when your boss checks on you. It's extremely soviet.
>>1155318That makes no sense. The most expensive part of releasing new cards should be the art, level up animations, vfx and voice acting in multiple different languages. Game design should be mostly unaffected by budget cuts.
>>1155322Art is ordered and produced in bulk by affordable 3rd party art studios (typically in korea). They could have years worth of backlogged art already that they're drawing from when they print new cards, hence why some, like Barbed Chain for example, have a very tenuos connection between what the art depicts (in this case a woman attacking with a weapon) and what the card does (draw 2). They just dig up unused artwork from their vault and arbitrarily apply card text to it to make a card--in this case just remaking Pick a Card.Voice acting is indeed expensive, which is why cards on average now have 20% of the voice acting that Rising Tides did. The game used to have a truly staggering amount of unique lines and vocal interactions but now the average follower has only 1 or 2 lines total.VFX isn't done by LoR's 'dev' team. They ping it off to the wider Riot VFX department where it falls into queue somewhere behind their other work. This is why releases will often come with blatantly absent vfx for cards that gets patched in months later.The reason game design is impacted is because it's one of the only things done in house. LoR doesn't have its own art team; they outsource art to specialist studios. LoR doesn't have its own programming team, it sends its programming requests to a larger generalized Riot programming department that works on every Riot project. So on and so forth. LoR's team does 2 main things: product management (ie. how to monetize the game, how to market the game, what new things to release to maximize player engagement with the storefront, etc.) and gameplay design (ie. what cards do, what new modes do). These two were likely distinct departments on launch, but as budget dries up and the development gets restructured to operate with less payroll, they merge. "Design" is time-consuming and nebulous work that's nonetheless necessary, so any way you can trim it down allows a smaller team to do more with less.
>>1155370I guess what you're saying makes sense. Though outsourcing certain work or relegating it to another department or whatever doesn't make it free. I don't know enough about the company to argue about it anyway so I'll take your word for it.
Jack followers
>>1155430>12 mana
>Coin supportNo real surprise there.I feel like the weird thing seeing this package is that it's mostly coin payoff. In fact, the majority of coin cards we've seen so far feel like payoff rather than enablers. Between Bilge and Ionia we only have like 4 or 5 coin generators, but there are dozens of cards that in some way or another reward you for cheating mana. Which is weird because Sett himself is coin payoff, and by far the best coin payoff we've seen yet. Why would you need to run all of these other coin payoff cards when Sett's going to come down and basically win you the game from coin synergy himself? Feels like the archetype is currently top heavy>>1155430Pocket Picker looks fine. Obviously you won't play Coin cards outside of Coin synergy because you need 2 stacks for positive returns, but a 2/1 with last breath is a good chump blocker.>BabsA 1/3 that doesn't do anything on summon and isn't a value engine is kind of bad. Technically its stats will grow down the line, but you're probably rarely going to want to play it on 2 just because 1/3 isn't blocking anything well. The upside to this I guess is that it basically turns your coin stack into a combat trick, but it feels too much like Wharf Rat in terms of being a growing 2 drop that will never really get big enough to pay off the tempo you lose early.>BarknucklesThis is probably the card that will singlehandedly carry the archetype. I can forsee Ionia running that 2 mana landmark that tutors equipment JUST for this. Stick it to a quick attack or elusive and it's going to be your main source of coins.>>1155436>NukkleInteresting that the main coin 2 drops are both elusives. This is probably just a flat out great follower. The fact that it's playable on 2 as a 2 drop, or playable on 6 as a split body without even running coin synergy is pretty good. I don't know how I feel about Bull himself, he just seems like a worse Citrus Courier (a card nobody was running already).
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>>1155440>Feels like the archetype is currently top heavyWorst part is coins are a one and done, you're only getting one payoff per game unless there's some absurd generator coming down.
>>1155442Bilgewater ALWAYS gets the best art
>>1155445Yeah most of the coin payoffs seem to be in this weird spot where they want you to have 6-8 stacks on the associated turn so you can spend all of your mana, refill it, and spend it all again, but for the most part all the cards we've seen so far are like "spend 1 card, do 1 thing and get 1 coin"The archetype as presented feels like it's going to rely excessively on a unit equipped with Barknuckles striking almost every turn to be your coin engine. Though it's also weird in that most of the coin cards are playing down in tempo, for turn 6/8 payoffs that feel designed like normal "I am winning on board" topenders rather than ways to reverse tempo or bypass a losing board.Though now that we know Jack's followers are coin focused, there's a very real chance Jack himself will be a coin engine.
>>1155442I just realized it's >last breath: get a coinIf you kill the slime, you get the coin back.
>>1155436Bilgewater seems kinda weird for this mana cheat effect. Besides rex what will you cheat out? Almost all of it's big cards are archetype specific like deep. Are you just gonna include dreadway or something for the double damage passive?
>>1155442Is it wearing a fish outfit? I am not comprehending
>>1155451>what will you cheat out?Nukkle, Mako and Bull, obviously.Coins are an autobuild archetype like Lurk. You pick all the cards that generate a coin, grab a couple of the payoff cards and then slot in the two designated champs. All of the things you'd cheat out are built into the deck.Because 1 coin costs 1 mana and refunds 1 mana, coins are unplayable unless you're running a critical mass of coin synergy to ensure you'll actually be stacking them enough to matter every game. None of the coin cards are going to be playable in random shitbrews or creative combinations. You just search 'coin' and slot in 3 of every card that shows up.
>>1155457>Nukkle, Mako and Bull, obviously.But they're shit, they don't even make sense as a coin finisher since they're aggro cards and coin will necessarily play slower in the early turnsyou're talking out your ass
>>1155457Sett's best deck is going to end up just being FTR with trundle though, coins will hardly even be relevant to that
>>1155476FTR is being rotated, anon.
>>1155430Does babs grow with mana refilled at round start?
>>1155457Bilgewater has nami and fizz who benefit from mindlessly playing spells so they could make use of some of these. I can see people running fizz with barknuckles.
>>1155487Probably not, that would be insane
>>1155487>2 mana 4/3Not even riot is that stupid. Card is going to end up really underwhelming though
>>1155480Fair enough, Warmother's call with Trundle then
>>1155442My favorite part is the background.
>>1155430>fortune croaker is a girlI thought it was some horse voiced voodoo man this whole time
>randomly open 3 ziggsgonna be real sad if they decide to rotate him
>>1155501>trundleanon I....
>>1155595If the leaks are real then my favorite champion and his supporting cards are being rotated. Godrest my king. Without you I can't even call Freljord my favorite region.
>>1155621riot would be legitimately retarded if they do that. including the other cards cards that would get rotated freljord would lose almost all of it's already small pool of good cards, and replace them all with alpha wildclaw that you can also play as a 2 mana 2/3 if you want.
>>1155621Let's be real, how many champs can they realistically afford to rotate before they just send the game back into the stoneage?We're probably looking at 2 champs per region, along with most or all of their 'package' with some exceptions, and then a smattering of base set cards, several of which have already been telegraphed by recent variety cards. I would be shocked if this amounted to as many as 30 cards per region total.Just looking at Freljord for a second, we have:AsheBraumAniviaTryndamereSejuaniTrundleLissandraGnarUdyrAnd OrnnWhat are the fucking odds Trundle gets cut over Braum, Anivia or Tryndamere? Espcially since we already know Lissandra, his intended partner, isn't getting cut. What universe ends with Trundle being rotated while fucking Braum stays? It's absurd to think of.Just by looking down the list of champs you can pretty easily identify the 2-3 champs getting cut from all of the launch regions. It's only when you get to shit like Targon and beyond that it starts getting hard to guess, because these entire regions are a fucking mess.
Are they really not giving us a list of who is rotating?
>>1155674we have to wait for the when the patch notes drop tomorrow I guess
>>1155674Presumably they'll have a blogpost detailing the exact list but they've been putting it off conspicuously. At this point we probably won't get it until the patchnotes drop, or the day of the release.
>>1155683>>1155681why are they dropping it so late? do they have something to hide?
>>1155709Obviously.
>>1155709I guess it's because they don't really have to, new cards might get people excited but telling someone their favorite card is rotating out might not be great news.
i should have switched to late game decks sooner, this is stupid fun
>>1155726better hope you hit deal 15 to all enemies as one of your living legends cards.
>>1155729didn't but got obliterates and that overwhelm guy with other celestials to stack him and managed to close it outi didn't deserve it though, only won because that asol was a perfect top deck when he was my only out
>>1155731congrats, leveled seraphine + ezreal with Glorious active isn't easy to beat.
>>1155487Probably only if it bleeds into spell mana.
>>1155709They probably don't want community pressure to kick in and complicate things.
>>1155729That's asol's spell not an invokable.
>>1155436>Goblin Shark>Mako Shark>Bull Shark>>1155523You fancy that little Angler Fish, eh?
