Submarines are annoying and easy to play (which I myself can confirm). But you can't say they are op based off of OP's picrel. It just shows that this particular player for some reason can play submarines way WAY better than he can other classes.
I can also interpret this player's stats like that:
As you probably know, a ship's influence on a battle is strongly dictated by its class. From my experience, the most impactful to the least impactful classes are:
>CV
>Gunboat DD
>Torp DD
>CL (both Radar and non-radar)
>Radar CA
>BB
>CA
I dont know where to put submarines yet.

For example, a better than average player playing CV is going to have 60% WR while a bad player is going to have 40% WR
same goes with
>gunbote dd - 56 /44
>torp dd - 54 / 46
>cl - 53/ 47
>ca/bb- 52/48
The more impactful a class- the more WR discrepancy
Looking at the OP's player's stats, I can see this player shows significantly lower WR with more impactful classes. With that in mind, I can say that the Submarine Class has a negative impact on the battle, meaning if I wanted to add it to the list above it would be
>SS - 48/52
It doesnt make sense. Or does it? Are submarines useless and its better to suck at the game while playing them? Maybe?

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I have accomplished my only goal when I started last week,
Is the game worth playing or is it not worth it nowadays?

>>919132
its the only game I play

>>919132
As a newfag who got into it with last year's Azur Lane collab, I'm still having fun.

I just got killed because the homing torpedoes ignored the fact that I've just DCPd

Any keeper at tier 9 other than Kitakaze?

>>919209
mogador

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Should I bother with tier 9+? Seems like a money sink to me unless you have premium or really good at the game.

>>919269
Also, I mostly played ships that existed.

>>919269
>Seems like a money sink to me unless you have premium or really good at the game.
so this is the post-economic rework wows, huh? Sad.

Tier 9 isnt that bad when it comes to economics, tier 10 repairs cost much more and tier 11 is specifically designed to eat credits. (so boomers will buy them for $$$). Tier 9 premium ships are great for making money, and you can buy them for coal in the armory. I hope you are taking the coal containers instead of the "try your luck" ones. Azuma will soon be aviable for coal and she's a great farming ship. Its squishy and you cant ever show broadside in her, but the damage output is high, which allows you to earn a lot of money with her.

But if you are having fun in tier 8 then there isnt much reason to progress honestly, unless you want to play a specific ship from higher tiers. I like T8 the most, its not overly competetive like T10 and there are a lot of good players there unlike in the lower tiers.

Also contrary to newbies' believes, higher tier doesnt "unleash" your true hidden potential, its always harder to play the higher you go.

>18in sap
>1.8 sigma
>8 guns

>>919209
Iowa
Fletcher

>>920690
is that good? they only SAP ship I've ever played was austin

How barebone will my ship collection be if I only intend to play ships that actually existed? And how many tier 10 are actually real?

>>921226
To elaborate, I'm not a purist or hate paper ships, It's just that I don't play that much anymore so I want to put up some realistic goal.

>>921245
Hover your mouse above the ship icon in the tech tree. If it says "Entered service: [year]" then it's real. If it says "year of design" it's crackpipe ship.

>>921226
>And how many tier 10 are actually real?
How do you qualify real? If you mean constructed to completion then you have;
Vampire II, Halland, Småland, Colbert, Daring, Audacious (kinda but basically yes), Gearing, Somers, Forrest Sherman, Worcester, Des Moines, Salem, Midway, F. D. Roosevelt, Yueyang, Shimakaze, Yamato, Attilio Regolo and every tier X submarine currently available.

>>922536
>Audacious (kinda but basically yes)
can you elaborate?

>>922611
HMS Audacious was laid down on 24th October 1942, because of construction priorities and distribution of resources during that phase of the War, construction of Audacious and two of her three sisters, Irresistible and Eagle was slowed enormously. None were complete by the end of the War and on 21st December 1945, Eagle was cancelled. Construction on Audacious and Irresistable was suspended for a period with their construction eventually being continued with Audacious being renamed Eagle and Irresistable being renamed Ark Royal (and completed to a slightly altered design). Audacious at tier X and the supership Eagle are the same ship at different points in time.

>>922684
>Audacious at tier X and the supership Eagle are the same ship at different points in time.
wow thats really cool

>>922688
Also related but just as an aside, my Grandfather served on HMS Eagle for a time (amongst other ships including HMS Vanguard which was his first ship) and although I can't lay my hands on it right now, I do have one of her commissioning books from his time on her.

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>>920690
>18in sap
That's gotta hurt.

>>920690
another CL annihilator
can they give this class a break? I love playing light cruisers but it feels like every single other ship class counters them
>Destroyers?
They outspot you and they can torp your smoke/ island
yes you are their biggest fear but so is every other ship less than 10km from them
>Other cruisers?
They fullpen you with AP and dont shatter their HE on you, also good luck predicting where will that kiting cruiser be in 15 seconds (thats how long it takes for jinan's shells to reach max distance)
>Battleships?
over. match.
soon 457 overmatch with no overpen
>CVs?
It can still strike you at least once before you kill the squadron
>Subs?
lmao good luck killing that with your ship-based ASW

>>923362
>sap citadels
lel

>>923362
Those turrets are fucking ugly.

>>922536
Around 20 ships but mostly destroyers. Not bad I guess.

Is it too late to get in to this game? What do I need?

Man, I remember when Belfast was good for brawls, but it gets its shit stomped nowadays. Only really works in a team context with spotting and zoning now.

>>923940
You need $15.
For 30 days of premium time and for the battle pass. Just make sure you have enough time to complete the pass before buying it.
And I'd suggest buying both these things only after you reach tier V, mainly because you cant complete the pass with the lower tiers since the missions for it are tier V-XI only.
Also you need patience.
I remember it took me 2k games to get to my first tier X ship, now im at 4k games and I've got 16 of them.

>>923971
I got the Arizona from code. Did I do good or?

>>923972
from what code?
also what is the highest tier you've reached on a tech tree?

>>923974
Invite code PEARLHARBORAZ1941
I just started playing.

>>923975
dont play the ship yet
you need to learn how to play with the lower tiers which are essentially tutorial tiers (almost nobody plays them)

>>923976
genrally the rule is to never play a premium ship of a tier you've never reached in a tech tree
Even when you reach tier VI and you play the Arizona dont expect to be good at it.
It takes a lot of game knowledge to be good at this game and its not a thing you can acquire quickly.
Just play how you feel like until tier V and then maybe watch some tutorials.
The best advice I'd give to new players on how to play is:
do. not. push
sometimes it is good to push but most of the times its just suicide
also
do not show your broadside to the enemy its also suicide

just dont die, ok?

>>923979
aaaaallllsoooo
you dont have to be good at the game to be "good" at the game
the thing is- 60% of all players (even at higher tiers) have no fucking clue whats going on, they cant just cant play the game

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>>919132
I understand that her name's Fubuki but do you really play tier 6?
Anyway, who should I buy?

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Hmm, I think I'll get her for my Graf Spee.

Got a rental Friesland and it's pretty good. Is there still any way to get this ship?

>>924609
groningen is the exact same ship and its for 1kk freexp soon for coal

>>924705
>soon for coal
I just bought a ship!

>new graphix update
My poor potato...

Daring or Harugumo first?

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I love this event

>>926057
I'd say harugumo because of the Kitakaze
But daring overall

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Guess the server.

>>926191
Yeah, Darling looks good. Bonus point for real ship.

>>926194
Got double tier 8 CVs and double SS btw. I'm moving to NA now, fuck this server and their CVphile.

>a stray shell hit to the side
>half HP gone
How do I Belfast?

>>926194
is that photoshop?
CIS?

>>926217
>how do I [insert a light cruiser]
your main priority is to survive
use islands, smokes, limited vision of the enemy
dont open water its suicide
you need a fuckton of patience to do any damage
look for windows of opportunity and use that bullshit DPM of yours (not in yodo lol)

almost all cruisers are both full HP and sunk at the same time, its just how it is

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shipsex

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>>926745
TWO MOTHERS

I give up, light cruisers are hard. I'll just stick with heavy cruisers

>>926822
Play Nevsky

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This ship is so fun. I think I'll buy Groningen.

>>926940
It's a great gunbote and I like it very much but the lack of torps makes you an easy target for other hydro ships, especially the germans.

>>926745
>>926760
I want another arpeggio collab so I can get takao weegee pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Saipan or Hornet?

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>>927004
vcoomers bring more money

>>927031
branch and rope

>>927093
Forgive me, but I tired of getting shit on by carrier. I'm now want to shit on other people too.
Which is the best tier 8 carrier?

>>927031
saipan I havent played but from all the videos I've seen its a pretty solid cv
its gimmick is that it is the opposite of Kaga
-instead of lots of low tier planes it has fewer but higher tier ones
overall a good ship(planes)

as for hornet... I've played a lot of hornet recently and its just painful
awfully slow planes (B25s go only 13knts faster than halland torps)
torpedoes have 8 planes in a squadron and the attack size is 4,
meaning you'll never strike for the second time with 4 planes again which sucks
the arming distance of the torpedoes themselves is godlike, they are great for hunting dds

as for the ap dive bombers they SUCK
squadron is 10 planes and the attacking size is 5 it SUCKS even more than the torpedoes sine bombers dont have heal
average drop damage is ~5k, painfully small considering they are AP so they dont start fires
and you cant just drop someone 2nd time because of the 10/5 squadron

as for the B25s...
pure rng
you can drop for 1k and do 0 fires
you can drop for 25k and do 3 fires (it happens more often than 10k ap drops lol)
but they are SLOW
108 fucking knots
so slow that by the time you get to the enemy, they are almost ready again
and they dont have fighers
yeah you got only 6 fighters total, combined with slow plane speed hornet is awful for spotting

also no armored deck
weak AA

I still like her <3

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>>927131
Kaga. Not that hard to play just be wary of high tier AA and flak.
The torpedoes alone are worth more than the entirety of the Hornet.
Dont use the rockets tho they suck

>play ranked
>before the game even starts smaland asks if anyone too is on a lose streak
>I act nice, tell him that I am not on a lose streak
>Tell him if he is losing many games in a row he shouldnt play anymore today since he is probably tired (he took that as an insult)
>he dies in the 1st 3 minutes of the game
>I type "you are clearly tired stop palying, for your own good"
And for some fucking reason he got angry.
>Tell him maybe he is the reason of his lose streak
He gets even angrier, claims it was my flanks fault he died (he was east we were west, totally unrealated )
He accuses us of camping (camping = not dying like an idiot(I was playinh austin am I supposed to be pushing?)) and he cries for the rest of the game

ofc his profile is private

IM SO PISSED WHY DO PLAYERS LIKE THIS EXIST
JUST ADMIT YOU SUCK AT THE GAME
Y O U are the reason you lose games
NO you are not unlucky for having 45% WR after 4k games, you just SUCK

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Tempting...

Main battery and AA expert(+20% firing range) on Friesland or not? I know it's good on Sherman but how's it on Friesland?

>>928137
Since the AA on firesland is good it is a good idea to boost it even more.
But the shell arcs suck. Good luck hitting anything at the max range.
I'd say no dont take it

>>927131
Pobeda, others dont even come close to her

>>923430
Yep, this is how new wows is played. Light cruisers are high risk low reward. Your ingame performance is tied to how many sky cancer hybrids infest that match that day in addition to the cv.

>>923940
Dont get into the game, game is shit and will get shitter. If you decide to get into the game dont push at the start, push when enemy has lower number of ships at that side , dont stay at max range with full hp.

>>927072
Its probably not money, more like arpeggio is dead franchise and ivan cant get in contact with the ip holders anymore

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How do I I-56? It's looks fun but I've never played submarine.

>>928260
>Light cruisers are high risk low reward.
I think it's more toward RN light cruisers. ?Other nations' CL aren't this bad.

>>928300
You're basically the Paolo Emilio of subs
You have 1 tactic that will pretty much neutralize any threat (shotgunning/drive bys) but anyone with a decent amount of in-game knowledge knows how to outplay you
Your best bet is to hope the enemy sub is a moron and dies early so they cant spot you, then you just spam long range dumb torps until you find an opening to get close and shotgun someone

>>928309
Stuff like wooster, yoda etc are also terrible either because ship sucks or they get perma spotted by sky cancer or subs

What tier 9 coal ship should I get? Friesland is fun, but I already have Sherman which is similar.
Azuma is supposed to print money, but I already have Atago.

>>928771
Azuma is fine, atago and azuma doesnt play anything remotely similiar. Atago is a well armored ship that has lower range and has to use its concealment to approach the enemy and kite away shooting, meanwhile dropping torps. Azuma has bad armor, stays angled away from the enemy close to its max range and just spams fires. Only when enemy is reduced you can play more aggresive. Both are fun in their own way.

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>>928901
Azuma isnt tanky on paper, but in practice (at least for me) she's on of the tankiest cruisers I've ever played. A lot of HP, fast cooldown heal, sitting 20 km from everybody. Flamuu told his fans she's not the best so nobody shoots her. I play her with the lighthouse build for that reason, concealment isnt that usefull and the only thing you can contribute to the game is damage. So why not build for it.
Also Azuma bow in to the target is suprisingly tanky too. IDK why but she is.

picrel my azu on ranked
absolute monster if played right

>>928901
>>929101
How's Tulsa?

>58% wr playing a tier 10 sub
>rush head first into a cluster of enemy ships and get ASW to death in the first 3 minutes
What is it about submarines that turn people into a brainless idiots?

>>929711
a false sense of security (being underwater)
its like the 90% of shima players dying to radar 10 games in a row and still rushing the cap thinking the smoke will save them

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I haven't played this game in years. Is it worth coming back to? All i'd probably want to play is subs

>>929101
Good stats, she is lot better than yoshino tier for tier. Yeah that fast heal is quiet useful, i like azuma too.

>>929141
When you have DM there is no reason to play tulsa, if its t9 ranked you should be playing alaska

>>929980
eh, subs are boring
I like to play them once in a while for a refreshement, but I couldnt imagine maining them

>>929980
>All i'd probably want to play is subs
You know they make games for that?

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do any of my closed beta friends still play this game

>>928901
So there's no point in getting Groningen if I already have Sherman, right?

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Sell me on French DDs

>>933166
sanic

>>933122
The gameplay is very similar, albeit there are some differences. Friesland is one tier lower which is a plus, friesland is faster and has slighlty better conceal 6.3 vs 6.5 which means you can more easily reposition and catch people in your hydro to play more actively. Sherman may have a bit more trouble to force an engagement. However shermans sap absolutely devastates anything it comes across. Friesland while having fine dpm suffers from low pen. Sherman also has much better shell velocity, making shooting peole at long ranges and engaging enemy dds that wiggle around even more comfortable. Friesland has god tier AA compared to sherman, if cv is playing he will learn to avoid you soon or lose entire squadrons. These are the upsides and downsides. If you dont have azuma or yoshino, get azuma first. ignore yoshino.

>>933208
Sherman is also extremely unwieldy, even with hydro you will find yourself eating torps or having extremely close calls

>>933208
At the end of the day i think sherman is the superior boat. Sap is just too damn strong and ability to overmatch 32mm is very important

>>933207
Anything else? Being fast can only get you so far.

Is Kitakaze really that much of an upgrade over Akizuki?
I'll still unlock Harugumo but I don't think I'll be playing it and I only have one IJN gunboat captain so I don't know if I should choose Kitakaze or Akizuki.

>>933318
Yes, kita is much much superior to haru and aki. Akis biggest weakness is she handles like an ox. Doesnt accel , doesnt manuever as good as kita. That may not sound that important at first but you will realize how important it is when you dont eat random torps and torpedobeat them all the time. Its extremely important ability in a dd that sits in smoke and doesnt have hydro.

>>933318
I frequently reset the kita tech tree to get RB points and griding trough aki takes me a week while griding through kita takes me a day.
She is just so much better. I only realized that after playing them both one after another just how painful aki is to play.

[remember to complete the plunder dash mission chain before the new super containers get released]

>>933436
I did. I got 50 +40% bonus to credits :(

[remember to uninstall]

>>933451
nah im still enjoying the game
I play every class, every subclass, ships with weird gimmicks, sometimes I play low tiers too
Hard to get bored
It's the only game I play I dont want to uninstall it

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https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/266473-over-600k-players-lost-due-to-submarines-wows-now-has-less-players-than-when-it-launched/

I know people have been meming for a long time, but it's actually fucking ogre now. It's time to move on or play warthunder.

>>933840
>warthunder
Anon...

>>933904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8I5HChpmAE

>>933840
>war thunder
its just as bad, but in the complete opposite way

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>>933840
>warthunder
About that...
https://steamcommunity.com/games/236390/announcements/detail/3716077561155232354

>>927031
Hornet is the worst fucking t8 cv in this game. Its so bad that i can assure you it would be more correct to classify it as a t6 cv. Everything about the ship sucks dick.

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>>934077
can confirm
its just plain bad

Gaijin is even more jewish than WG. Can't even use free xp without paying.

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>>933840
Clearly we need more hybrid ships.
...Maybe hybrid submarines as well?

>>934020
Oh wow, surely this man is a trustworthy source with no biases to speak of

>noo you can't talk bad about wg
cope shill

Sorry I don't take listen to people who do nothing but trash talk this game but still play it because they don't have the charisma to keep an audience doing literally anything else

>>934167
Flamu is shit, but it isnt even his data he is sharing, what the fuck you are even talking about?

>>934284
Any moron can look at a graph and say what they think causes the change in data
And the morons here just regurgitate any opinion they hear from other morons

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>>934138
Post yfw WG finds out about the I-400.

I started using AP when fighting any broadside DDs and it's magical.

>>934328
*in Akizuki

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>>934327
its inevitable
I give them a year

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>>934327
>new arp event
>monkeypaw
>Iona Tier 11
At least I 400 existed. But hybrid subs...bruh.

>>934352
>hybrid susbs
launch 3 planes and 9 more appear from they sky

I mean Halford works like that its fucking bullshit

>>934352
I remember in 2016 the arpeggio event got me into anime

btw what happend to the Iona commander? I remeber you could get her and her ship type was submarine
Of course back then submarines werent a thing
Can you actually use her as a commander now?

>>934352
Nothing is impossible in the realm of wg now, dont be surprised to see cruiser missiles next. I remember the good old days joking about the idea of soviet cvs , wg made them reality.

>>934372
As for the cruiser armament I dont think they'll go any further than the Dutch CA airstrike. It kinda works like missles would work. Select and area and wait for the bombs to arrive. If missles worked any different than that were they actually added to the game I would finally quit. If they were to add missles they would have to be different than the dutch airstrike, so guided missles. The true unavoidable damage. It would be too much.

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>>934377
>so guided missles. The true unavoidable damage.
Don't even joke about it.

>>934369
Wasn't Iona just a bunch of datamined voicelines?

>>934403
you CAN dodge them
it takes a lot of effort and/or luck and/or dcp
but I cant imagine any ship dodging guided missles going at hundereds of km/h
Even non guided would be hard to dodge
Look at what they had to do to the rocket planes, nothing could dodge that shit before the changes

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>>934138
>hybrid submarines
SALVATION

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>>934419
Picture it.

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>>934352
Please no...

>>934425
Is this arpeggio manga or something?

>>934377
Meant to say cruise missiles. Wg will just make you jam them by using your damage control hahahahah .. ha .. ha

we are already crying about features that werent even announced and may never actually be in the game

this just shows how bad the state of wows is

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>>934471
>he doesn't know

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>>934471
Yeah.
Now that I actually think about it, Arpeggio is pretty silly.

>>934490
These expressions are erotic.

>>934611
child erotic uohhhhhh

>WG think 40mm on Friesland is better than 76mm radar-guided proximity fuse on Sherman

>>935044
huh?

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>>935157

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>taking aa values seriously

>what do you mean numbers in config file don't mirror real life???

>the settings reset again for no reason
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>company that gives identical guns wildly different values for gameplay purposes gives different ships wildly different AA values
If they didn't then US battleships would be unapproachable by aircraf-
wait

>>935305
I've heard that even low tier BBs like Texas were unapproachable for CVs of the same tier. Nowadays AA starts to be a serious threat only at tier 8. When I play tier 6 carriers I just ignore the AA and Flak. Its not like it does anything. But then jump to tier 8 and not dodging three flak clouds deletes your squadron. Its stupid.

>>935689
>I've heard that even low tier BBs like Texas were unapproachable for CVs of the same tier.

*in the RTS era

>>935689
Huanghe is the cv menace of t6, but other than that nope.

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What's the catch?

>>935779
More morons will press W, suicide and ruing your game

>>935829
I'll do that even without Battle On.

>>918336
Yo idk World of Warships, but Mordern Warships is like impossible to level up bro, that kind os system sucks lol

>>935779
Players'd been requesting this feature for WOT since forever and we got it before them. I guess the catch is you burn through blue economic bonuses at a faster rate without realizing it. But overall a very good change I can actually play my light cruisers now.

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What is this?!

>>935943
something gayreek

>>935943
goofy turrets
It just doesnt look good

I don't have enough coal yet, recommend me some good tier 8 premium ships.

Finally unlocked Shimakaze and... this thing is dogshit. It's actually worse even as a torpedo boat than Akizuki and it's line, since it cannot push aggressively and instead must just spam from meme range. Meanwhile, the ubiquity of subs, cvs, and radar punishes its stealth-focus gameplay to the point of memehood. Should have gone for halland.

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Where's my fucking supercontainer you cheap jews?

>>936278
you are just playing it wrong
Shima is... fine
Not OP but also no bad
Her guns are decent at dealing with other DDs
Good concealment
Godlike torps
Good speed
Great rudder shift and turning radius
Small hull
Of course if you played harugumo or halland or daring instead of shima you would be a much scarier threat most of the time due to the consistency of those ships but shima played right can be scarier than all those ships.
Maybe you just arent used to playing torpboats?
You can always equip the 20km torps instead of the 12km ones and sit behind your BBs without a care in the world

>>936315
Is the gift the same for every anniversary year? This summer Ill be having my 7th anniversary am I going to get the same thing as you?

>>936315
Supercontainers are supershit, not a huge loss. Buy some good t8 premium ship with the coupon if you want.

>>936247
atago , cossack, chkalov

>>936278
You might be brain damaged if you think shima isnt a good torp boat. Are youusing 20km torps like a moron and because of that failing to hit anything? >>936317
If you equip 20kms you are a moron that wont hit anything ever, do i even need to explain why?

Halland line is good, right?

>>936336
yep
its hard to play for newer players thoughbeit because no smoke so mistakes WILL be punished

>>936334
>If you equip 20kms you are a moron that wont hit anything ever, do i even need to explain why?
yeah the 2.5km torp concealment... of course...
But when I first got shima (it was my 1st T10) I was running 20km only and My average damage was ~60k with ~200k damage record so I wouldnt say they are terrible considering I was a terrible new player and I used to die every second game from radar. 12km are of course way much better. What about the F3s? Do you think they are ok to use?

>>936339
EU DDs are torpedo boats first and foremost with guns good enough for self defense, right?

>>936344
yes
for halland:
the guns are good for other thing too like starting fires and finishing off targets
I wouldnt be afraid of using them from time to time to farm some damage especially towards the end of the game
just make sure there is nobody who can kill you easily nearby
the guns arent that much worse than groningen's gun, and she's a gunbote
just dont think you'll win 1v1 against any gunbote if both of you are 100% HP

I mean the guns have to be decent to compensate for the lack of torp dpm

I think I'm addict to DDs now. They're so fun to play.

>>936339
F3s are too risky and too inconsistent to play with these days due to the overabundance of cvs, radars, hybrid ships etc. providing less room for dds to maneuver safely without getting spotted.

>>936360
It the same for CLs and me
I was addicted to gunbote dds at first but they were too consitent for me. I prefer the cruisers' shrodinger health. Both dead and alive at the same time. DDs are too tanky. Doesnt feel right not having a citadel.

>>936370
>shrodinger health. Both dead and alive at the same time.
That's British CLs

>>936370
Just play pan americans, you have citadel so you get nuked but you also can heal that damage.

My problem with CLs is floaty shells at range, and you can't easily get into comfortable range or get out of danger like DDs.

>>936383
Austin, smolensk, san martin shell travel time isnt too bad

>>936371
what about yodo, smolensk, austin, jinan?
you WILL get triple citadeled while angled

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>>936445
>Bungo

>>936445
HAHAHHAAH WHAT
B U N G O>???

>another 30mm overmatch
fucking WHY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>936445
Kongo bungo

>>936453
We are way past the point of complaining about 30mm overmatch with this shit game.

If it is an Amagi line with useful secondaries, I'll start playing again.

Japanese battlecruiser line
I've been waiting for this.

I just hope the new "line" (only 3 ships) wont be IJN CL all over again

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Why don’t the early German battle cruisers have torpedos? The hatches for them are modeled on the hull.

>>936647
balans, we dont want germans to be too powerful

>Japanese battlecruiser line
>the only two real ones aren't being put in it
>Tosa still being ignored
I can't believe I expected more from these "people"

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>gonna have to grind out nagato again because you know they'll put the t8 as the premium battlepass reward

>>936748
T8 BP
T9 random bundle
T10 sequential bundle + 20 fucking thousand doubloons
and there will be people getting all three
Thats why I hate the idea of split line from T8, they wont give any of the ships away for free

>>936445
>457mm guns on a Japanese ship
???

>>936785
WG LOOOOOOOOOOOOVES 457 for some reason

I've seen on one of flamuus video where he was talking about preussen. He said that the kreigsmarine had 450mm gun blueprints or something like that. So WG wanted to replace GK with Preussen and give Preussen overmatch. 450mm overmatches 30mm so it was good and historically accurate. NOOO they gave her 457mm because why the fuck not. Why are they obsessed with this number? No idea. NO. IDEA.

>>936787
I think its because when the game launched they said they'd never make guns as large as the Japanese 46cm (18.1 inches), so they use 45.7cm (18 inches) instead because its "not as big". So I guess they just think its better to commit the extra 7mm just because they can?
But then they add a new TX Japanese battleship and give it 457. Incomprehensible, madness even.

Is it worth playing on rental ships? I've been playing on the free Amagi clone (VIII Ignis Purgatio) from the Warhammer pack, I guess I could transfer the commander once I can buy the Amagi, but would I not be better off investing time in ships I already own?

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Fuck radar, fuck divisions, fuck match making, Fuck war gaming

>>936800
I dislike radar so much Ive got 16 tier 10 ships and 0 of those have radar. If Im ever going to own a radar ship its going to be either Mino or YY and I wont equipp the radar.

>>936805
You will have to play amagi to unlock izumo and yamato. That is obvious?

>>937109
As a shima you are one of the dds that have least amount of problems with radar ships, watch twhere they are, dont go in the radar range, spam torps from 12km simple right? Radar isnt the problem in this game, if there were no radars you would get smoke farmed by everyone

>>936445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGltpPVLoL4

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Do you know what day is it today?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima

>>937706
WG butthurt day

Are the Panam T9/T10 any good? T8 is dogshit so far.

>>939156
Yes, they are good. If you know how to play you just wont fucking die.

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>tier 5 BB took 9 Jervis torpedoes
>survive
How?

>>939485
Britannia rules the waves.

>>939485
She probably took all of them at the nose or ass, saturation mechanics kicked in.

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>>939490
That must be the case.

So how's the New EU DDs? They don't seem that interesting to me.

>>939522
Solid DPM, smoke+radar
How can they be but not broken?

>>939571
10s radar is a bit too short

>>939583
You also have 60 second or something reload. Get close, spotted, press radar , shoot. If he shoots and has support smoke back and disappear while enemy dd is still spotted and keeps eating shit. If he doesnt shoot, do as much damage as possible until someone else starts shooting you, smoke up later. Repeat until enemy dd hates his life and either runs away or dies.

Almost got Lightning but Jutland looks dreadful.

Lightning and up have 360 turrets. Go for it, retard.

>>939656
Yes jutland is shit, but daring is very good.

>>934167
based opinion and true - somehow the same niggers who talk shit about the game still sit on it for hours daily

the only players i can´t take srs are the ones who think cvs are fine and subs are "op" (or go as far and legit think cvs and subs are somehow "equally" strong *kek*).

only personal reasons why i this game are to either kill the game or to play with my frens from here by "div abusing"

>>934297
my issue with that data is how the entire chink and UA wave of players from last year isnt visible on any of the graphs - till then its pure "fake news" - legit feels these days on EU as if there are more UA players then german boomers per team around

>>940167
Yes there are more slav shitters, and yes they are universally shit in the game. Also how is that repeated battle entry working out ? I see more suicide press W spammers in teams now. So game is becoming more shit imho. As for subs not being not op? Lmao. Clearly you didnt get shotgunned by invisible torps that appear out of nowhere. Ping torps are annoying and not a problem but straight line 6-7 torps just appearing out of nowhere is. Because there is no counterplay to a sub player who doesnt let his position known. Sub doesnt show up on radar location, You get no clue you are spotted specifically by a sub so you cant take evasive manuevers, you dont have a window of opportunity to make evasive manuevers against a sub like you would against a DD because dd torps take time to arrive from the moment it shoots at your predicted path vs the path you choose to take. However with sub the window is 2kms. Its a stupid class with close to zero counterplay. Only real counterplay is hoping your team sub activates his sub radar. Do subs carry games like a cv can? No. Are they OP in the sense that they can nuke people with impunity out of nowhere? Yes.

>>940172
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9_7ElnfHI

>inb4 flamu blah blah blah

>>940172
1:20 sub players i face do something "good" aka that wont make them sit at last 3 on the scoreboard meanwhile
1:2 cv players that i face carry the game solo
see the issue i face that is indeed 100% biased?

subs became for me as main dd player the easiest class to face in a 1v1 or 1vX+ situation, the fact that most players do not even know what shimas detection range is or how to use repair partys on X fires with 10/20/30/40k matches played just shows me that most players do not fucking care about how the newest class in the game works in terms of playstyle/overall gameplay and how to counter/play against or even with them (somehow you can learn how to play against subs while i have to go into a lemming AA bubble to "counter" the cv in my matches)

having the highest average base exp of all EU players from the vg/vm clans sums pretty much up that i understand how this game works overall and that my point till this day stands that a sub player that plays "good" would pretty much solo carry most their games playing a fucking DD instead sitting in a sub

subs bring 0 new to the game and have pretty much no place in randos beside PVE shit/event mode

>having the highest average base exp of all EU players from the vg/vm clans
Did you cum while typing that?

>>940207
2-3 years ago maybe. Anon do not tell me your one of these dmg farmers?

>>940289

Only thing that matters is your solo wr, base xp means nothing, legit no one looks at that number

>>940341
>Only thing that matters is your solo wr
shh you'll trigger the local div abusers

>>940341
>Only thing that matters is your solo wr
Red flag answer for someone who has below 55% WR. If your overall stats are shit your solo rate won´t matter.

>>940341
Glad that I only play with gamers that have overall and recent stats around unicum. That is the only thing that matters anon-kun. Imagine playing WOWS alone KEK!

>divcucks already coping

Look if Sad
Don't play Game
Do one thing
Find better Frame

>>940393
New to me that WOWS Randoms are 1v1 only. Whats the next copium stage of "I use only my best stats and thats right now solo!"? Ranked? CB? Cope harder Div-less nigger.

>I need not one but TWO crutches
>I am totally le good tho

Where do I get more detonation flag? I'm running low.

>>940400
>have no one to play with
>be bad
>lack basic social skills
>play solo in a team game

>Overall stat do not matter anymore but cherry picked only ones

You can´t make it up...

>>940384
Muh crutch

>>940412
>Overall stats
more like getting carried stats

>muh friends

>>940470
Feels good seeing your div in duos or trios always in the top 5 while solo shitters like you think they did anything impactful kek. The logic of a bad players these days.

>mooom I am fighting 3v1 i am so epic

>>940514
It´s kinda sad if you think it´s an L to not play alone games anon.

>>940524
>mom i am playing wows 1vs12 and solo win all games!

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>heh I'll argument with muh friends again

>>940557
>brings up that solo wr only matters
>heh i´ll only use the only stats that aren´t complete ass so i do not look like a complete useless noob
>go full on copium cause out of overall, solo, duos and trios the only good looking ones out of 4 is solo

>>940563
You know you wouldnt be this much butthurt if your solo wr wasnt that shit

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Should I?
Also, why do you guys care how other people play?

>>940569
I sit on comfy 59% solo WR right now. What about you anon? My overall 64% WR does neither matter and my guess will be next that you will mention your COOP stats to feel better? I seen lot´s of schizo posts on here but legit thinking that solo matters more then overall is peak shitter excuse. Server CIS fyi.

>>940563
I don't have other stats than solo :)

>Atago has 41mm deck armor
What? That's 1mm thicker than Petro.

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Will they do Arpeggio collab again? I started playing after the last event.

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I know Cossack is good, but what about Kidd?

Convoy should just be t8

>>940809
furutaka has 50mm or something like that
Its not like it matters
everything above 35 is impossible to overmatch

>>941023
With ARP Yamato again and new players skipping tier 7 8 and 9 and ruining T10 games? Yeah they'll probably do the collab again.

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>>941053
I don't think they'll ever sell ARP Yamato again.

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Is this okay for Kitakaze?

>>941070
>Grease the gears
its fine
>AR
not taking it would be a huge mistake, good choice
>Main battery and AA specialist
not much AA to buff so not a good choice
and the 5% main reload isnt worth 3 commander points
>Fearless brawler
you dont really want to be deteced
you are not fast and you dont have the french saturation
you've got smokes for a reason
not a good choice either

I'd go for IFHE OR Demolition expert. Taking neither of those reduced your damage. Not like its small even without them.
Superintendent is fine too.
Also RPF is really really good. Makes you die less from random torpedoes if you use it actively and honestly its just fucking OP.

>>941032
I never got warm with Kidd - i know it aint bad but just doesnt wanna klick - check out Loyang also beside them two btw since its very very fucking strong in case the map favours you and you plan playing for caps.

>>941070
FB not needed - better just take 4th row left corner. Very niche build in case you play solo would to take RPF in case you dont wanna rely on your team at all and go for DDs since you can do that even against 90% of t10s but stick to the more range honestly so you got more options overall.

Huh Vita left another clan??? Was it yet again the "fault" of the clan lead or cause he is fucking trash at the game? Must be that L and R still live rent free in his head till this date.

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IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING BROS

>>941125
This is how someone looks who never knew turrets can perma break! ALL THESE FUCKING PROFILE STALKERS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>941123
>>941125
>>941126
all of you, mental illness

>>941152
MODS MODS THEY BULLY ME!

>>941158
Im not vita and I dont even know who vita is

>>918395
it kinda makes sense what you say but i would up CA a bit higher since mostly non subhumans play stuff like radar mino, colbert, whore, bris etc.

also Vita your the dumbest nigger around here, get of my board REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>941164
We are all Vita.

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Wow, SAP on Sherman is ridiculous.

>>941182
SAP is the reason why I dont use HE on austin.
HE damage is fine and the fire chance is good but
SAP salvo can hit for 10k on a broadside target and the average salvo is 3.5k dmg. So even without the RB austin has really good DPM. With RB its actually insane and its not uncommon for me to kill a DD from 100% HP in one RB duration. I love Austin BTW. If they didnt give her SAP she would be boring as hell and weak.

>>941186
Austin looks like Atlanta on steroid.

>>933840
And I'm one of them. The playerbase told WG every step of the way that subs did not fit the game. They didn't, they don't and they wont. Make a custom convoy game mode for them and put randoms back the way they were. I'm not coming back til they're gone.

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I've sworn to never play carriers, but should I play subs?

>>941205
Yes.

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>>941198
Game became a too frustrating experience with random retard teams , repeated battle entry press W spammers, random subs, constant cv games. I had enough, uninstalled it today. Wont be back until and if wg decides to fix their shit. I have better games to play. You guys can keep malding with the russian casino game, i had enough of getting mad at a game i no longer enjoy playing even when i consistently solo carry retards.

>>941212
See you in two days

>>941212
Sure Vita. Dumb fucking nigger you never carried ever in this fucking game. See you back in a few days or weeks.

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>>941219
Sure

>>941221
Do not dox my ranked stats!

>>941205
carriers are fun
subs are fun too but they get boring fast

Why do the team that attacks the convoy automatically loses 50% of their collective 70iq? How the fuck are you losing the autowin side? I've had that happen too many times ,>>939555 being the best example.

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What would you recommend for first tier 10 cruiser?

>>941478
Alex

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>>939656
Jutland was nerfed into the ground before Kitakaze saw anything until Update 0.9.11.

>>941478
Minotaur. It's the best, you'll never need another one.

Is it possible to make a mod that changes captain voices? I'd like to have the female German voice from the Hololive girl on the Azur Lane Admiral Hipper commander.

>>941478
Des Moines for general usability.
Minotaur for powerful smoke gameplay.
San Martin for he can't keep getting away with it.

again an event without any free shit

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>>942009
They gave you a free event captain.

San Martin is good?

>>942293
>>941868
Oh, and how's Pan-Asian cruisers?

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>15 torpedoes with TRB
That's a 30 torps salvo. How is this allowed?

>>942339
Its overall stats are shit, bad conceal, bad dpm etc - legit play YY at t10 and its better or lmao play Jinan if you wanna deep water whore

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>>942295
Jinan is fun af but after I bought Austin (same hull) I dont play her. Shell arcs are bad.
Speaking of jinan >>942339 30 torps??
Jinan has 40 with RB. It takes time to deploy them but holy wall of skill. It's a DD with a citadel after all. BTW picrel, replacement for jinan finally coming to the game most likely. I think that after Jager they just dont give a fuck.

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Where do I spend those tokens exactly? I dont have the page in the Armory. Is it a bug?

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>>942391
>20 torps per side, 40 total
TRB too please.

>>942406
another low tier hull at high tier
WG is losing their minds

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>>942399
>6 days
>40 captured/defended ribbons
Fuck that

>>942429
easily farmed on brawls/ playing bot games at 4am alone with only bots on your team
you wait for an enemy bot to get into the cap and you spam it with some delay between salvos to get defended ribbons

also why the fuck is the [Captured/Assisted in capture/Defended] mission counting ribbons from the convoy? There are no caps in this gamemode

>>942406
reminder that people bought this thing with real money in closed beta and didn't get to keep it

I like ZOOMing around and shoving torps up enemies' asses. Which line should I play?

do i play this on steam or on wows own client? i have played other games on my wargaming account

>>942844
I play Swift in silence shima meme build for zooming and torping
you are so fast an the concealment is so good you can even play the 8km torps
for consistency 12km are better

>>942844
Halland line - ignore low dmg on torps but look at the reload and speed of them, you can not dodge them and are reloaded so fucking fast on them

>>942851
do client since steam will sometimes redownload the entire game when patches hit

>>942844
go back in time and buy the kamikaze

>>942953
>swift in silence
damn why haven't I ever done that

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Thanks wg, very cool

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Wow, Jinan guns look so bad even at around 10km range.

>>943139
at least they have great dpm
Unlike yodo
and jinan has also godlike torps
UNLIKE YODO (yodo's are slow and its hard to hit anything with them)
and very good concealment
unlike yodo
and good hull
unlike y*do

why is yodo like that? getting beaten in almost every meaningful category by an at best decend cruiser

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Interesting.

how to gitgud with BBs? guns r hard to aim and takes forever to rotate

>>943276
one word
/patience/
instead of shooting everytime you can
its better to wait 10 seconds for the turning cruiser to show her broadside and then shoot

>hard to aim
use the minimap circle
its just autoaim without cheats because WG doesnt care
>takes forever to rotate
one of the biggest challanges a new battleship player has to deal with
After a while you manage your turrets subconsciously. You have to plan your turrets ahead.

>>943236
With those player number, do you think they'll ever implement cross servers matchmaking?

>>943417
there is in low tier

>>943431
Really? I didn't know that. What tier?

Does anyone have an up to date mod to restore the rising sun and the swastika?

>>943440
it was this or last year in the news and patched into the game - t1 till t2 or 3 or so

>>944084
no all you need is cute anime woman anyway

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So this is why CV players want RTS CV back?

>>944194
Just dodge

>>944194
Few days after the CV rework, the most damage dealt record was broke by a Hakuryu player
Just saying

>italians will be able to fit coal smoke mod
Time to grind the venezia leg mod.

>>944129
This anon gets it.

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I can't figure it out, do I use her like fat Shimakaze with less torpedoes but better gun?

>>945120
Whats the point of this ship? Its just a worse YY. In every aspect. She cant even take TRB and Smoke at the same time.
>inb4 YY has shitwater torps

newfag here, i noticed there are events going on
how do they work?

>>945445
the token ones are pretty much gold sinks. There's missions you can do you can spend the tokens to unlock ships early most of the time.

also here is a decent code site for free shit. https://www.wows-gamer-blog.com/search/label/bonus%20code

what's the purpose of rental ships? i don't quite get it. like i have a t8 40k ship, while i just started the game? i'm not gonna take it into a t8 fight.

Torpedo launchers can be permanently destroy? What else?

>>945601
secondary mounts, so for secondary build take the upgrade that increases their hp.

>lose by landslide 6 games in a row
Is this the weekend MM I keep hearing about?

>>945256
Yeah I think it need some buffs and tweak, make it truly a hybrid of Haru and Shima instead of being the bad of the both.

>>945601
main battery turrets can break permamently too im pretty sure but its rare

>>945627 this
AA guns are the ones that break the most. Sometimes all of them break. You even get a message on the screen that says that they all broke. You still have some AA but its like 10% of the original DPS.
You can check how many of the secondary/AA mounts are still alive by hovering your mouse over them in the H screen. Always check this after a conqueror hits you. Its painful.

>>945802
I play ranked for the doubloons and steel and I have to win ~2 games everyday to get all of the 27 win awards in gold. 2 wins a day, "thats easy" I said. Then the weekend came. Its pretty much always the russians and ukrainians. Writing some nonsense in cyrilic after dying in the first 3 minutes. UA in the clan tag or in the nickname and I know this player is going to do nothing the whole game. How did they even get to gold?? HOW??

>>945887
holy shit based?? your one of us now - before it was the GER clan tags now its legit as you said UA somehow in name (mostly also good stats) but play so fucking bad its unreal

>>946991
There can be two explanations , 1: Sold account, 2: Ru server is so braindead that if you play even semi competently ( as in not suiciding , not showing broadsides) you nuke everyone at that server

>hybrid battleships
>hybrid destroyers soon
Clearly this game needs more planes, what's next?

>>947539
hybrid subs

how the FUCK do i play BBs?
>everything is slow as shit
>takes forever to do anything
>miss all my shots anyway

>>947738
minimap dot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqXbWux_QKY&t=972s

watch the whole video anyway
but the dot is the most important

>>947738
Dont play them, stick with cruisers and destroyers. BB is the worst class in the game. Cant carry shit, you are just a target at high tiers.

>>947790
>BB is the worst class in the game
truth, but I'd say submarines are equally shit
>Cant carry shit
false
if you are an aggresive BB player you can win entire flanks IF lucky with enemy torps/CLs
if you are a passive sniper BB you can win 2 entire flanks by sitting in the middle searching for broadsides
every other playstyle cant carry shit
>you are just a target at higher tiers
truth, although its not that bad considering you are the tankiest class in the game (if we exclude light cruisers sitting broadside)

>>947827
more like search for broadside, rng fucks you most of the time you get overpens, enemy angles away

>>947835
shoot enough times RNG wont affect you
thats why I dont like vermont
you cant shoot that much so it has more RNG to it