>what is evemmo space sandbox>what is eve really?dead game>ingame channel/v/bros>should I start playing EVE?probably not>patchnoteshttps://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-21-02
>amarr
>>858382It can really take a pounding
total minmatar death
fittings for this feel?
Unwashed dirty bitch
>Amarr unironically>Implying
>>858707>he doesn't have a righteous crossishygddt
>>858415>crucifier>old modelbasedi'd almost lost faith in you faggots
in rust we trust
>>858415always link the previous newfag>>841491
>>858866Go away spacenigger
>>858713No way
>>858700
>>858895>tech 2>boosts>rigs>picked off rats
>>858896This is as cheap as it can get if you wanna ruin nullbabies' lives these days.
What are your current goals?
>>858882it's not a general thread, there is no previous thread
>>858911Stealing ore from nullsec refineries to build T2 stuff. I travel throughout a different region every day checking which refineries are pulling in moon ore, which have their asteroid belts up, etc then document them in a spreadsheet and pass it along to my corp.There's not always a lot of asteroid fields up since corps tend to mine them as soon as they pop, but some get lazy after a while and let them stay in space. I got a fleet together and ran off with 180k m3 of Ytterbite from Fraternity space using Ventures before someone reported us on intel and we had to filament out. It refined into enough Thullium to make about 18k Photonic Metamaterials, which turned in to about 9000 Photonic Microprocessors, which was enough to make 50 or so Prospects. It only took our fleet of 13 around 20 minutes to mine all of that and we didn't lose anyone, not even the hauling Miasmos.
What's the fastest ship in EVE? I'm using a 50mn Punisher right now to make tactical bookmarks, but is there something better?
>>858911To improve my piloting skills. A pretty boring answer but I've ended up in a group that's probably above my skill level and I find myself dying to stupid mistakes more often than I'd like.
>>858941Last I saw a 50mn slicer is fastest
>ab on a bckelon pls
>>858943Two most fundamental things that improve your piloting:- only use shortcuts to cycle and overheat modules, that way you can rotate camera and double click in space to your heart's content;- configure your overview and the overall UI layout to make it comfortable. The most important part of it is brackets.Do that first, the rest comes naturally with experience. Shortcuts alone automatically put you in top 3% of pilots, I swear.Also record your battles. I use OBS and start recording right after undocking because I keep forgetting about it in the heat of battle.
>>858978Rebinding keys is also insanely useful, F keys are okay, but shift-f keys is a bit much and there really isn't anything using the QWERASDFZXCV keys that couldn't be reboundI pretty much have it set up so QWER are offensive modules, guns, point, web, ect, ASDF are defensive modules like booster and cloak, and ZXCV is other modules like hardeners and tracking computers or probe launchers, ect.Once you get a general idea of where you want major module types to go it becomes second nature and much easier then shift and ctrl or going down to F8
>>858981Yeah, a basic grid layout and alt+key shortcuts to toggle overheat. It makes even ships with like 12 active overheatable modules a breeze to fly. The F keys can be used for things like switching modes on tactical destroyers, overheating racks (useful for logi reps), drone control, etc.
>>858978>>858981Thanks for the advice. I'm good at using the F keys but I still click for overheating, which is quite cumbersome, and I really should look to rebind some other buttons. Will have to figure out my own keybinds though as I've become accustomed to V for D-scan and F to assign my drones.I've been lazy about setting up OBS too, I know it's useful and I used to dream of making videos. Maybe that Bringing Solo Back video competition will motivate me to try harder.
here's some elite pvp advice. everyone who says to never use the orbit or keep at range commands is a retard. they have a use
>>858994Yeah but its also bad practice in PVPA close orbit is good to counter slower guns, keep at range is useful for kiting and range control, but just pushing either of those in a general sense is liable to get you oneshot by sniper nerds
it's not bad practice, it's fine a lot of the time. bad practice would be manually piloting all the time when there's no benefit
>>859007Moderation is key, I suppose. I'm the guy who wants to improve and I've died a few times because I failed at manually piloting when I should've just orbited, but if I only use orbit/keep at range I'll get fucked when I'm in a situation where I really need to manually pilot.
being good is knowing when to do which, that's all I'm saying. so many shitters say manual pilot all the time
Tech 3 Mining BargesIntegrated Industrial Jump DriveIntegrated Compressor (Only for ore the ship itself harvests)Assault Damage ControlScanning Bonuses
>>858895>Kelon Darklight>tuskers nanogang faggotI hope you're copying fits and not actually Kelon.
>>859030>Tech 3 industrial>its a single role shipRetardedEven if its an industrial ship, it wouldn't be pure mining, and it definitely wouldn't have a fucking jump drive, maybe a mining hold and covops cloakIdeally>3 modes, transit, industrial reconfiguration, defense reconfiguration, reconfiguration modes are stationary>specialized cargo subsystems for hauling different loot types, generic, ore, gas, PI, ect>single mega bonus to strip miner speed and range, but not competitive with exhumers, basic bonuses for racial weapons and ewar>d-scan immune
leave kelon alone he's alright
>>858932how did your fleet deal with null belt rats in ventures?
>>859161We had a Ferox to clear them with which also had a mining boost on it. It was a Ferox, a Buzzard, a Miasmos, and 11 (10 because one guy couldn't stay connected) Ventures. Buzzard scouted a route through a wormhole chain, fleet traveled to the system through it, Miasmos hauled ore back and forth a couple of times through it. We had a HS-C2-C1-NS route, so it was really quick. Took a Pochven filament for a quick exit upon seeing the first player on local.We only had one rat wave spawn, and as far as I can tell, belt rats target combat ships first over miners but will target switch occasionally. As long as the non-battleships die quickly and the Ventures are orbiting, everything should be ok.When mining in a big group like this, you don't have long before someone checks things out. There's no way to hide there's 15 players in space on the map, doesn't matter if it's a local checking the system to defend it or another fleet roaming to get easy kills, you're going to attract attention and have to leave. There's no moon ore in the game that's valuable enough to justify constantly relocating, but it's the only way to get it so if you want to build things that use it, you don't have a choice.
>>858882why?there's no pointif anyone wants to find the old thread they can find it in the archives
Every thread for this dead game is exactly the same anyhows so why bother.
>>859053It's regrettable that you've lost ships to Kelon but you should keep it to yourself.
How much would a 225mil sp toon sell for?
$8
>>858866checked Chadmatar
>>859183proof you can still do cool, fun and interesting things in eve.
More like proof of wasting everybody's time.
>>859508in my corp, anyone caught flying an amarr ship that isn’t specifically part of a fleet doctrine is shot on sighta few days ago someone got his arbitrator blown up
>>858911God those ships are so lazily designed
>>859509Yeah, but it's not all that profitable when you consider the time it takes to scout a place. It was one of my goals in EVE to find a way to reliably get T2 materials without having to deploy a structure of my own though, so I can say it works.Eventually I'd like to try and do this with barges, but we still have the problem that there's no way to compress moon ore without an Orca or Rorqual and an Orca can't jump on its own. If I had money to blow, I'd say trying to bridge a Hulk fleet in with a Rorqual, mining for 30 minutes, and then bridging the fleet back out could be a way to efficiently mine the ore where it's actually profitable, but that assumes the Rorqual actually makes it out with the ore. Each Hulk mining Loperite pulls 560m ISK/hour and it would take between 5.5 to 56 Hulk-hours to mine out a field.Prospects would be far more reliable, but you'd have to manually haul things in and out with a Miasmos constantly and it only takes 35 minutes for a single Prospect to fill a Miasmos's cargohold.
New patch notes.>https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-21-03#h2-1
>Nothing at all
Gay (written by literal trannies fr), dumb and very un-eve.
what the fuck is a shipcaster
Some gay instant-action button most likely.
I regret everytime I try to be social in this game. Befriend person, drags me into a group, group does nothing that I'm intersted in, once in a day they try to drag me 40+ jumps away, if they care enough to share a gas site location, and then fuck off by the time I get there, bunch of discord homos.Anyone tried these new factional warfare changes? What is there to do for a solo player?
>>859509but at what cost?
>>859718>very update much contentthis is the meme for retards. same 'defending' beacon with bots \alts\ awoxers . LP is a bit better tho
>>859681basically>structure in highsec>lets players temporarily enlist with a FW faction>when you activate it, warps you to the current active frontline system with a Battlefield in it>you PVP for your faction>if your faction wins/captures the Battlefield site, you get 200mil worth of LP>then you wait 2-3 hours for the next Battlefield site to spawnpartly Enlistment thing, partly to help new players get around highsec/lowsec hellcamp gatecamps cuz Snuffed/WhiteSky have nothing better to do all day than camp lowsec gates with 1k DPS instalock Gnosis
>>859941to add a bit too>Caldari have shipcaster tech, but dont have the powersource for it>Amarr had a stellar transmuter (needed to power a shipcaster) but not the shipcaster>Amarr got caught spying on their allies, Caldari, via agents they had posing as Edencom/Concord businessmen>Minmatar stole Amarr's transmuter tech and are working on building their own>Gallente got nothing because players failed the event like 6 months ago, so they're behind
>>858911I'm close to 2 billion isk and ive been dping forsaken hubs in a Gila for months. I have no idea what to do next to increase cash flow.
>>860106Gila is a noob trap. do them in a 1300dps Typhoon or something instead, Typhoon goes fast enough that it doesnt need much tank. Praxis would work well too, but Praxis has the CPU of a 90s Thinkpad. Eventually upgrade to an Armageddon Navy or a Rattlesnake or something.make sure you're dropping MTUs and bookmarking them, Forsaken Hubs in even an Ishtar makes 100mil/hr if you're looting & salvaging everything as well. bookmark like 90min worth of sites at once then go back with a Noctis to clean up all the wrecks. doing this 1/3rd of your ratting income alone will be minerals (gotten from melting down random shit loot) and salvage, which you can use to manufacture stuff or to sell to thirsty industryfags that live down there with you. get PI planets going on all 3 character slots on your account for passive income. assuming you're in null, 3 char slots doing PI there would be making you at least 1bil a month passively for ~2min of clicking buttons a day and 15min of hauling every 2 weeks. later on, do some market trading by watching updates and market trends in some things, investing 500mil or 1bil into an item/mineral/ship and cashing out a few months later when its gone up in price. there's a big nullsec war happening right now so already a lot of tech2 ships have doubled in price since last week. making money in Eve without burning out involves diversifying your income. if you just grind one thing all the time and nothing but you'll burn out and hate the game.
>>860143oh also, belt ratting can be a nice change of pace, as well as data/relic sites or wormhole day tripping. killing rats in belts gives you a chance to get a faction spawn every 30min-1h or so, or hauler spawns (npc hauler with like 15mil units of minerals inside) or officer spawns if you're really really really lucky. faction spawns can sometimes drop some nice shit, like rare implants or faction modules worth 100s of mil.
>>860143All that effort for a trash game.
>>860159god fucking forbid someone has fun chilling on a video game after work
>>860143Thanks for the ideas. I've fucked around with a Praxis but it seems way slower than the Gila, although I probably have a shit fit. I am part of the war so it's a little dangerous to be flying around anything too expensive right now. Do you know of a good guide for PI? I have never touched it. Or if you have a Typhoon fit.
>>860257Not him, but you could try Rapid Heavy Missile launchers. Even with alpha skills, Praxis can break over 1000dps with Rapid Heavy Missiles.
>>860106Unless you're going to be using mainly battleships for pvp, just head into abyssals and finish training missiles/drones/caldari+gallente cruiser.
>>860106Invest your money into market trading and learn how that shit worksBuy low, sell high, it takes fucking forever to see real profits but its better than your liquid isk sitting in your wallet doing nothingAs for active gameplay you're pretty much doing the best ISK per hour in the game already solo, the only thing else is pretty much multiboxing and botting, and thats just gay
>>860338Oh and if you don't know where to start, flipping PI is usually a good go-to since most people just AFK that shit and dump it on the market in bulk, usually the assholes who own perimeter will buy shit to flip P2 and P3s into P4s, just don't try to do it yourself because the perimeter PI taxes are absurd if you're not the owner
>>860257depends what you're doingeither way, MJD and keeping distance is pretty much all you need
eve online
Got anything I can shoot?
>>860943>amarr
>>860943based amarr enjoyer
>>861103made for big minmatar cock
>nobody does events because only person doing final hit gets points>"lol let's add suspect timer just for warping into the site"
>>861103Does switching modes spread xir legs?
I’m starting to enjoy triple frig abyss, got up to t4, doesn’t feel like that much clicking anymore. Especially the dark hawks are more chill than the 2retri1deacon in electricals.
abyssals removed when
>>861230Never, chinks eat instanced grindshit up
chinese question solved when?
>>860175It’s still trash tho. A smart person would ask for updates . Dumass just consumes anything regardless and even shilling for free. Fucking pathetic loser
>>861424>A smart person would ask for updates>when the game's recently gotten the largest content updates in yearslol k
>>861420When pearl abyss abandons this shit after letting chink bots, trigshit, and buyable skill points rot out its foundations.
>>861498>>>>>>>Story updates>faction warfare rework #5>new player rework #20>contentThe only content to come out since pearl abyss has taken over is story shit and trigshit, every other update has been CCP heavy handedly trying to bandaid the gaping wound that is Citadels, Asset Safety and Instanced ISK printing.
game balance pls. fuck off with your "content"
>noooo I need a new fotm>noooo I need contentroll the game back to odyssey and never change it again
no
stop playing the game and lurking the thread if you don't enjoy it
stop posting here faggot , if you disagree with anything
>>861498>largest content updates in yearsjust imagine being that retarded . if you are still wondering why eve is a side project for ccp, the answer is right here. retards enjoy their safe and well known environment , new textures\ui is enough to make them busy . Any further changes would disturb them and make them switch from shitty "war memes" to angry reddit posting
I started playing EVE. I'm so sorry guys
Been hardcore focusing on willpower/perception skills for the past year, but there's a few INT ones I'd like to get to V. I thought they would have removed the attribute system by now
Want to play Eve so badly but the moment I log in, just start to get drowsy, sleepy, and just desire to exit asap and take a nap.
>>861857same, except I don't want to play EVE and I feel that way all the time
>>859718FW has always been good solo/small gang. But I feel you, my entire EVE corp experience is >join lowsec corp doing cool kill ops>things get amazing doing small roams plexing in fw when we can't find people and ultimately just being pirates>leadership decides to take corp to null because muh ego>move all the way out there, isk dries up, space isn't defended, we are a null aliance bitch corp>leadership wants us to fly retardedly expensive doctrines>i burn out, move my shit and quitRinse and repeat indefinitely. Fuck nullsec
>>861103Pedo
>>861855I sure CCP like people wasting skillpoints sends it leads to impulse buys to get more. That said, they should just remove attributes, make skillpoints accrue to the unallocated pool, and remove attribute implants to replace them with cerebral accelerators.
>>861928Why though?
>>861915>Start playing EVE, have a dream of being a bounty hunter, want to take down notorious pirates for fat ISK>At the time, giving a bounty on someone just resulted in them podding themselves with an alt and collecting it>Eventually slightly improved by tying it to their lossmails, but still doesn't fix things and now doesn't pay shit when your target just flies a shitfit frigate all day>Have a stealth bomber trained, so decide to fly with bombers' bar since it's the next best thing>Do ops for about a month, think it's cool to blops drop a dread and kill it>Realize three weeks in this is getting pretty lame, anyone I'd want to kill can instantly replace their capital and we kill a lot of players who literally have everything tied up in that one ship>On top of that, FC keeps all the loot, not that it's good anyway>During this time, realize just how big the gap between null alliances are and everyone else>Love scouting, so I decide to sell intel to people and corps>Make a decent amount of ISK doing things like selling a bunch of bookmarks of various sites in null, sending a report on traffic and player activities, or watching wormhole exits for people>Make a program that automatically grabs players on my overview jumping through wormholes and reports the distance to the wormhole and who they are and what they fly, showing who's coming and going by timestamp in an easy to read web database>Throw in scanning wormholes and reporting their lifetime as part of the deal so you know your exits are always updated twice per day>Get paid several billion ISK a month by three large wormhole corps for this back when PLEX is somewhere around 400m, literally PLEXing 11 accounts and still making like 13 billion extra every month
>>861937>Keep this up for years, literally sitting on over 1 trillion ISK by the time I pack everything up and get out of it>Have been training my main constantly since 2010 and never flying him, almost every combat skill at V, most ship skills at V outside of Titans and Moms>No will to play anymore, unsubscribe everything and let it all rot>Friend who used to play wants to come back in 2021 to do abysses, don't have a clue what those are>Apparently there's been some NPC invasion since I've left>Come back, see abyss, have fun, friend immediately quits because he's fickle>Decide I want to mine instead since I've never actually mined for real>Have absolutely no mining skills>Join newbro corp and immediately get bored of mining in high sec>Tell everyone we're going to go huff gas in low>Devour gas sites in under 30 minutes, everyone just flying ventures with boosts>Make like 600m a site in 10m ISK ships>Constantly have to look out for pirates>Finally enjoy EVE
>>861937>>Make a program thatI didn't hate you until that, ffs gaming is dead.
>>861558this but unironicallybittervet faggots in this thread havent undocked in years and still post how bad the game is based on their experiences of being a 2012 nullbabby ratting in a super
>>861916
>>861950Pedo
>>861947It is funny to me that so many people admit to this without understanding that they are admitting to cheating.
>>861947Let's be honest with ourselves, would me not doing it prevent others from doing it as well? It's EVE, multiboxing, automation, and botting ruin the game, you have to accept if you want to play it you need to use every tool at your disposal.Previously before writing one, I had simply played back the video and manually updated the database by hand, afterwards it did it for me in real time. Imagine knowing exactly who came in a wormhole, when they did it, and what they're flying, it's a service any wormhole group would pay a ludicrous amount of ISK for.Personally, I was really hoping CCP would just cut down on the multiboxing by letting players see what's on the other side of gates and wormholes, but it looks like that's never going to happen. If it makes you feel better, I now do the same thing on a smaller scale in Thera, tracking who's active and what's being camped.
>>861948I still don't understand how they hate the game
>>861965Except it's not, or at least impossible to ban. Streaming EVE is perfectly legal, otherwise Uedama Scout would've had his channel closed long ago. If I recorded in real time his local chat window and had a program parse it, should he get banned? I couldn't be banned because I might not even play EVE, I just made use of a public resource and logged the results to a third party website.And that's just the thing. It's fine to have a cloaked scout sitting on a gate or wormhole. It's fine to stream EVE. It might not be fine to have a program parse the video you're streaming and log it, but if you don't even play the game and the person streaming doesn't know you're doing it, then how is CCP going to take action? Go after the guy who's not doing anything wrong? Ban someone who doesn't even play the game?
>>861970>Except it's notIt is using an external application to do something that is not possible to do by just playing the game. It is by definition cheating. >or at least impossible to ban. ah so it's okay to cheat and ruin the game because you won't get caught? > If I recorded in real time his local chat window and had a program parse it, should he get banned? You should for using automation, CCP should also have a streaming rule that local and other system info should be hidden. >then how is CCP going to take action?Again, cheating because they cannot catch you is a shitty argument. You are ruining the game.
>>861966>would me not doing it prevent others from doing it as well?"if I don't steal this womans purse someone else will so I might as well" Retarded argument.>It's EVE, multiboxing, automation, and botting ruin the gameSo your solution is to automate and bot intel collection? >you have to accept if you want to play it you need to use every tool at your disposal.No I do not. I just awox anyone I find out is doing it and outcast them socially. >imagine knowing exactly who came in a wormhole, when they did it, and what they're flying, it's a service any wormhole group would pay a ludicrous amount of ISK for.Yes, cheating does grant you things that is more lucrative than regular gameplay.>I was really hoping CCP would just cut down on the multiboxing by letting players see what's on the other side of gates and wormholesMultiboxing isn't a problem, automation is. >If it makes you feel better, I now do the same thing on a smaller scale in Thera, tracking who's active and what's being camped.I'll let CCP know thanks.
>>861972>You are ruining the game, stop!!For who? For you? For some player who looks for "content"? If anything, making travel and content safer for players doing it is a net benefit to the game. It sounds more like sour grapes that you aren't benefiting from it, or perhaps you're too lazy to set up your own alt farm for it.>>861976Please do, it's already been reported several times by people who've caught wind of it. CCP doesn't give a fuck. If they did, they would fix the root of the problem because a ban won't stop it.If mass botting didn't make CCP sit up and make fundamental changes to the game, one guy running a dozen alts to log travel isn't going to get their attention either. It would be a benefit to the game if it did, but everyone knows it's not going to happen. Just go and benefit from it instead and stop seething over things you can't control.
>>861966>>861970Lol dude noone here cares if you cheat, but don't pretend you're innocent when you're literally botting.
OCR isn't cheating if it isn't interacting with the game client you're mad you didn't think of it first
>>861983>For who? For you? For some player who looks for "content"?For everyone playing the game as its meant to be played. >making travel and content safer for players doing it is a net benefit to the game.how is it a benefit and how are your actions causing that? You are selling cheating intel to groups, you aren't some philanthropist. >or perhaps you're too lazy to set up your own alt farm for it.Perhaps it's that cheating ruins games and I refuse to ruin a game for fake money. >Just go and benefit from it insteadNah fuck you give me your in game name. It gives me solace that you will never experience gaming in its prime.
>>861994Keep lying to yourself.
>>861995If I told you I was responsible for Uedama Scout in the first place, would you believe me? It would be nice to roll out a similar service for the entire galaxy, providing a free scout for every player in the game.Shame he got greedy and looped his footage for ganks a few times. I really wanted him to take over Thera Scout and roll it out publicly, but it was too much work.
>>862000You are a retard
>>861963go to bed nathan
>>862024pedo
>warp to asteroid belt>shoot 3 frigate rats>collect 3 metal scrapsMaking those iskies
https://zkillboard.com/kill/107569564/>nullsec static opened next to a huge red blob on the map>goons blowing up a fortizar and leaving>collect pic relatedMaking those iskies
amarr master race
>>862034
>>858911Im going to finish Tavar quests, then start working on the ones in Hort
>>861972>It is using an external application to do something that is not possible to do by just playing the game.you must be the dumbest retard gorilla nigger alive, by that definition, pulling market data from the API into a spreadsheet is cheating
>AhbazonJust mwd cloak trick
should i get an omen or maller for l3 secuity missions?
>>862797Omen will kill things faster but is more fragile, the Maller can be overtanked to the point it can survive in L4s but is fat and slow. They're pretty similar overall though.Get the Omen if you want to snipe, get the Maller if you want to brawl.
Can fly golem, tengu, jackdaw. Perfect missile&shield skills+magic14. Don't know what to train now since I'm a loner and havent had to train into any fleet doctrines
>>862113wow amazing, although I always wondered how people got the loot from these.
>>862326pedo
>>862838
>>862840go away pedo
>>862828What do you want to do? support skills are always good
>>862848stop requesting more pics then anon4chan is an anime websitefuck off back to 9gag if you dont like it
>>862863What a useless girl.
>>862863Don't hide behind anime pedo, you aren't fooling anyone.
>>862867
>>862894stop fucking kids jared
We need a 4chan University corp to help bring newbros up to speed so they can learn the game and participate in weekly mining fleets (with free orca boosts)
>learn the game>mining
>>862943All-Out already exists.
>>862943if they mine 6 hours a day 5 days a week they can expect to earn up to 3 billion a week!
>>861966Lumping multiboxing together with cheating is retarded.
>>863060There's a guy in my corp who does that, mines with an Orca and six hulks on HS moon ore 3 times a week for hours at a time. I don't mind HS mining on occasion because it's a leisure activity you can do while chatting with friends in voice, but he does it solo.He does make like 25b ISK a month doing it though, and that's after PLEXing all of his characters. I don't think it's a good use of 100 hours per month, but I can't deny the results.
>>863176330 million isk an hoursounds kinda bad
>>862899
>>863176>irl wagie that does not get even real money in return
>>863262>>863176>>863060>>862943
>>863661I don't get it.
>>863176ive always wanted to spool up alts for things like these but then i always think: wtf do i need all this extra money for?
>>862943>mining slaveskek>>863060Now were gonna hurt that by adding on some armor buffer. >>8636614chan is only good at forming up to burn things down. >>863662people joined his corp just to awox his orca.
>>863704I have a lot of friends that play EVE off and on, I was debating using their accounts for multiboxing in this way. Tell them I'll PLEX their account if they dedicate a character slot to just sitting in a specific system and training mining skills for a couple of months.Only thing is I burn out real fast so I know if I attempted it I'd barely do maybe three or four hours a week, which isn't enough to pay for anything.
>pvekys
>>863842exactly my feeling too. i wanted to set up PI in a C1 out of a cheap structure but it feels like too much effort compared to just playing on my maineven mining is a huge investment
>>863908Ended up doing NPC null with NPC Station. Almost as good as wh and I can walk away for months without issue.Worth about 1 bil per char with 3 day cylces and you can just potch highway everything to jita or amarr.
>>863927>filamentshow do you deal with the constant need to replace epithals?
>>863931you can fit minerals and fits for 5 epithals in a badger and just manufacture in closest NPC station.PI alts all set their home station to the PI hub before attempting to fly back, autopilot makes it to Outer Ring about 50/50
>>863938*Crane the t2 cloacky one.total is about 3 bil per account per monthHave about two extraction alts per factory alts. Factory alts all stay in system. Some extractoin alts have planets a couple jumps out.
>>863939also, 3b a month? how are you doing those numbers? i pull 2.1b with 3 toons monthly
>>863941current prices are crazy. One planet makes 12 Wetware per day. 2 accounts feeding it more than it can process.2.39m x 12 x 5 x 30 = 4.3 billess taxes and epithals.
>>863946you have 2 accounts / 6-8 toons with 36-48 planets feeding p4 into another toondid you mean 1 bil per account per month here >>863927?
>>863950my bad. no two chars with 6 planets each feed 1 character with 5 factory planets for 3 bil per month net.12 extraction planets + 5 factory planets generally balance.1 bil per char per month. 3 bil per account per month
>>863661>popblueskek
>>863952i see. i have all my toons feeding 16 planets of p1 into my main with 2 factory planets making p1>p2
>>863955Some of the lower processed things do make more isk I just cant stand the hauling.Extraction planets in high sec are about half as productive as null and lower stuff is way faster to profit.I've always wanted a WH setup but burned out on scanning for now.
>>863752>people joined his corp just to awox his orca.What's awox? They blew it up? Why?
>>864211awox is slang for popping blues, basically. Awox was a person who joined corps and killed his corpmates over and over again before they caught on and could kick him. He repeatedly did this and thus the term AWOX was defined.originally it meant tackling a corpmate so you could kill him with an out-of-corp alt, but nowadays it basically means shooting at blues. Awox still plays, someone saw him around the other day.
>>864211>Why?because mining is cancer, especially highsec mining corps which are basically just a tax/discount mineral scam. 3bil a month for 30 hours a week of mining?a group of 9 people could make that much running wormhole sites together for an hour or 2. mining is so bad, that you literally make minerals faster just spinning an ishtar in null and melting down the loot.
>>864211awoxing is getting a character in a corp so they can tackle high value targets to destroy usually extremely expensive null ratter fits. Usually we got someone to betray their corp by telling them their corp was gay and that they could get a lot of isk by blowing up their corp mates and could join pizza. The way this worked is that in eve online if you are online and not in a station you can't be kicked out of a corp, by getting an alliance member to log in continously after downtime they could tackle high value ratting ships as long as they cared to beat a corp manager at logging in(this was easy to do as down time is at a very bad american and european hour)
>>864236>>864217Literally why would anyone play the game where the point is to fuck people over by pretending you're their friend like a psycho retard?
>>864221It's only bad because it's done so commonly, which drives down the price of minerals to near worthlessness. Suicide ganks in high security space actually help more competent miners to some degree like this, it reduces the amount of minerals in the system and causes the prices to rise.The problem is there's so many people mining in high sec and only the incompetent, AFK ones get caught. Suicide ganks will never effectively hit those massive 60 man operations that mine out a 56 day moon pull in under an hour twice a day because it's impossible to cause them enough economic damage to get them to stop. Instead, suicide ganks hit the bottom rung of players who can't afford to replace their barge when it goes boom, which is the exact wrong thing to do for a healthy playerbase in EVE, pushing everyone to join these massive alliances instead of actually doing shit on their own.Mining in general needs to have similar difficulty to doing it in lowsec on a large scale, if minerals were all priced relative to how Isogen is mining would be worth doing. Sure, it might make a T1 frigate cost 2m ISK, but that's the tradeoff to making the profession worthwhile.
>>864221Oh, and I agree, unless you're in a massive HS or sov null Hulk fleet with support, it's far more efficient to just farm L4s for loot/bounties instead. I can literally pull around 120m an hour doing them in a T1 battleship via bounties and salvage and get about 40m ISK in minerals from melting down smart bombs and other junk. The worst part is that EVE will never improve on the industry side of the game because mining having value would mean people would have to get out there and do it in significant numbers and only about 20% of the playerbase has any interest in it whatsoever.
I joined a WH corp but I don't know what to do to make ISK.
Simulated Moa fitting
>>864344Ask your corpmates what they do and see if there are any group money making activities but your best options for solo are PI, C3/C5 sites, exploration or gas mining. Could also haul fit ships in and put them up on contract, doctrine ships and sabres should always be in demand.
>>864236I hear vague references to pizza in my circles, what even were they? boomer skillu?
>>864344>but I don't know what to do to make ISK.you're in a wormhole corpthey do group ratting sessionsjoin one of those, you'll make a bil or two for an hour's worth at least. if there are no farming fleets up then do any combo of>huff gas, like 60mil/hr>explo, 1mil~1bil/hr because RNG>go back to highsec and run abyssals for 60mil~1.8bil/hr>run burners in NPC null for 200mil/hr>rat in nullsec for 120mil/hr>solo rat C3 sites in a drake/praxis/gila for 60mil/hr
just wanted to see how this would handle. In a frig t5 electrical. Didnt even need to overheat, was able to rep through2x elite lucifer cynabal 2x lucifer cynabal 2x elite lucifer dramiels 2x elite dramiels
Do I fucking need to multibox 5o make money? I want some fucking immersion goddamn
Bring back Dust 514 but functional.
>>864793Can’t complain about no money when abyssals exist
>>858895I tried running an XL-ASB 'Cane back when the ASB was first released, pre-nerf. Even back then I didn't really think it was much better than a traditional passive fit.
>>864805I've run T0s in a retribution but Im not sure how to scale up
>>859550Keeping in mind that I haven't played since shortly after fattygay and fozziesov were rolled out:What the fuck is that thing and why is it such a generic piece of shit? What the fuck have they done to my goddamn spaceship game?
>>864815I stopped playing after they took away my space mastabatorium
>>864822Sometimes if it got too cold in my bedroom I would log in on a couple of alts and have them sit in the captains quarters.
>>864813Probably a cruiser skill to V, most likely minmatar for the vagabond to make use of your gunnery skills, but it uses shield instead of armor.
>>864825Honestly, I loved how comfy it was.
>>864834Even though the scale was completely off I did frequently walk over and stare at my ships sitting in the hangar.
>>864838I loved that part and walking to the couch
>>864838Absolutely
>>858911Long term: get my lowsec group to actually drop a fortizar instead of these astras that get reffed by a single dread in AUTZ, even if it means putting up the ISK for it.Short term I'm restocking my stash of doctrine ships on contract, and figuring out the right ship to be doing escalations with so that I don't feed another 1.5b Loki.
>>864985The new structures really don't take a whole lot of extra work to reinforce, unless you mean it'll defend itself better. You might be better off just shaking some hands and getting someone else to defend it instead of putting up the cash to upgrade something that may or may not pay off.
>>864989It's more that whoever decides to ref it will need to commit more resources to do so, which will attract locals/3rd parties to form & fight. The deterrent is there already but the response window for an astra is too small. Right now astras get reffed by a single Zirn or Nag in off-hours & only one defensive timer to make up for it. We won several fights but lost the last one.This is also in FW, but I can't get into more details without revealing who/where/etc. It probably wouldn't be difficult to narrow it down from that description.I don't necessarily think the investment itself is strictly worth it but the last astra was incredibly valuable to the FW grind, and 5 days of asset safety has tied up billions in ships that most people can't just go re-buy.
why do i keep getting ads on this site claiming to double my iskwtf
>>865003That's my biggest gripe with structures, if you're in a small corp, it's a huge pain in the ass to defend because you don't have people on frequently enough to do anything about it, nor will the reinforcement timer always be conducive to getting people together to respond. And then it's a war of attrition, people come by, reinforce your structure, people get on at the appointed hour to defend it, and no attacker shows up. And then the cycle repeats, the attacker reinforcing it with no intention of committing a force to finish it, and it just wears you down to the point where you don't bother anymore.That's why I always wished there were smaller/cheaper structures that were about on the level of a small POS, you can commit the time to reinforce it and loot everything from it, but it takes time and most corps will get enough value out of it that putting up another a few days later is just the cost of doing business. Most groups can remove a POS, but unless they want to commit to a sustained operation to keep doing it, they're eventually going to shrug their shoulders and let it remain. Structures are priced too high out of that range where they start to attract bigger blocs that make it impossible to hold for a small one without signing your life away to an existing alliance.I eventually caved and made a deal with an existing bloc for defense, I fucking hate having to sign up with them but at least I can run my structure as a freeport so the rest of players in the region don't have to deal with that bullshit. They can just enjoy using it without being tied to it.
>>864793honestly, noanyone that tells you that you NEED to multibox to do X or to do Y is a shitter with no friends.
>>864813run T1s in a retribution, still piss easy and like 60mil/hr. t.i spam T1 Darks in a Worm
>>865116There's a certain point where multiboxing becomes practical. For instance, when your ship starts to cost 3b ISK, you have to ask yourself if you could accomplish more spending 2.5b on a second sub and flying two 200m ISK ships. That calculus of subscription time having a price in game is a big reason why multiboxing is so common, because after you start dealing with large amounts of money extra characters becomes a commodity like any other.
>>864718>>huff gas, like 60mil/hrvariable on gas site>>run burners in NPC null for 200mil/hrrequires large time investment in acquiring the standings and at least 3 accounts to do them properly, lest you wallow in poverty wages single boxing it>>rat in nullsec for 120mil/hrthis is a retarded estimate, either your ishtar ratting and getting ~80m/hr depending on space and escalation luck, or your ratting in a larger ship and making more then 120m/hr>>solo rat C3 sites in a drake/praxis/gila for 60mil/hrsolo c3 ratting in a gila/praxis nets closer to 300m an hour, I did it when I was a newbro in 2019. Good advice overall though
>>86523360m/hr is reasonable for any gas site with T2 scoops, but then you run the problem of depleting gas sites too quickly and lose a lot of income due to having to locate new ones. Of course, with T2 scoops, you can pull almost 120m/hr on expensive gas sites (C320 or about 1/3 of k-space lowsec gas sites).That estimate on abyssals is retarded though, unless you're triple boxing T6s or going solely by the best possible outcomes. More likely you'll get 400-500m/hr singleboxing T6s or the same triple boxing T4s. And C6 wormholes with escalations can pull a large group several billion per hour but there's a lot of setup involved, you need capitals to escalate, the payouts are split between a bunch of players, and you're limited by how many sites there are in your system unless you're raiding other peoples' wormholes, and then you're probably not going to escalate the sites.
noise filament ninja ratting
>>864812You need AB to fight in ESS, but you also need a tackle and a MWD to be able to fight elsewhere, so you can't really fit 2x LSE.Solo pvp wise ESS is such a mixed bag. On one hand it gives nullbabbies a clear incentive to fight you, and if they blue ball you you at least get the loot. On the other hand the inside of an ESS is a gimmicky environment that promotes gimmicky fits - a 100mn full tank shield AC Hurricane is actually perfectly viable, for example. I would prefer if it was a regular deadspace like in FW, and the scramming sphere would only activate if you use a key.
rmt your shit while it's still worth a fuck boys lmfao
lol, lmao even
Is this related to the London FPS or a completely new project?>Alongside independent financing, this new title’s production is separate from current and previously disclosed projects, including EVE Online, which is now in its landmark 20th year.I read this as a completely new project, kek.
>>865775completely newthis shit is fucking surrealdon't develop mercury poisoning bros
>>863842This is a dangerous route to go down.>Have a group of friends who subscribe but don't play very often>Ask if I can use their accounts while they're not playing to mine with, get the ok for 4 of them and finally the 5th caves>Make a new character on each account, train up Prospects and gas harvesting>Fly around LS systems huffing clouds with my main in a Porpoise and alt in a Buzzard to scan sites down>Making about 1b/hr sucking down gas sites even when compressing the ore>Profit nearly doubles when I make components and ships from it>Sites empty so quickly no one gets the chance to interrupt because they're cleared in around 10-30 minutes depending if it's a large or small>After a couple of years, friends come back to play>Suddenly lose my income stream since they're all on too often to coordinate>Decide to make my own alts with gas harvesting, create 6 extra accounts>Now known as that guy with 8 omega accounts in my corp who spends all day huffing gas and doing PI and nothing else
reminder that you can literally fucking train an animal to minedon't waste your time doing it yourself
imagine fucking playing eve right now, like, fathom.ho-lee fuck.
>>865785I do FOBs and PI fulltime. Kinda miss the rest of the game.
>>865765how is it that EVERY project ccp starts is dead-end dogshit filled with the worst ideas imaginable that'll never see the light of day
>>865765HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA
Why do zoomers use "dogshit" instead of just "shit"? What's the point?
>anon is incapable of understanding the literary device of alliteration
>>866023Because of Hilmar, most likely.
unironically rmt your shitthere are people who will buy your characters, wasn't a difficult couple of google searches and ensuing sifting. spend your loosh on warhammer instead <3
>Like the SoCT ships because you can fit them in a million different ways>Have to watch their prices continually rise slowly on the market, making me realize that one day they'll just be a collector's item instead of something that people flyI don't know why we can't just get a BPO for something similar, surely a ship that has equal bonuses to all turrets/launchers and can be shield/armor fit wouldn't be game breaking. Fuck, some Minmatar ships could do that at once point in time before their rebalance.
since u guys are wanting to rmt out, wtb isk, 4$/b
I finally unsubbed after like 15 years of playing after they announced the Doctor Who silliness and boy do I keep having my choice validated time after time.
>>866190wts 30m $0.12
>>866156I hate them personally but you will probably get another round of free ones in May>>866198Doctor Who got me to quit for ~2months which is probably the closest ive gotten to freedom.
>>866156>>Have to watch their prices continually rise slowly on the marketeveryone gets a bunch of freebies every yearits only the sunesis going up in price cuz 2sec align time and 1500m3 cargo
>>866190Why on earth would we sell that low?
I have to run a bunch of missions to get that stupid air career shit done. What is a good fit for lower level missions?
Remember when the rifter was good
>>866312get a thrasherfull rack of 280mm artillery cannonsactive tank of some kind + damage controlwhatever the targeting range module is calledand voilawould post mine but not on pc rn>>866323still fun to fly and the new design looks even cooler than the previous designs which were already cool
>undock expensive ship>overwhelming fear of loss>foot bouncing and shaky cursor as I hover over menus and check dscan
>>858911Buying arbitrator BPO.
>>860143>do them in a 1300dps Typhoon or something insteadFit?
>>866369It goes away eventually, I used to worry when running missions in a Phoenix and now I just shrug.
>jukebox playing>you blitz fw missions for a bil/hour>buy pos, orca, populate wh>huff gas in hurricanes with corporates>make 800mil/h from just that>in couple of years migrate to lowsec incursions, make bils/h in a comfy vni multibox>get out of eve>come back>corp is no more>no more jukebox>no more browser>destination: pos in molea
>complaining about jukebox and browserkys
>anno domini MMXXIII>playing evefaggot
>anno domini MMXXIII>giving money to ccp
>anno domini MMXXIII>buying plex on the market
>anno domini MMXXIII>not having rmt'd your shit
>>858911i want to watch this piece of shit faggot troon game die alongside ccp itself and for everyone under their employ to never develop another video game ever againaim high, bros
now for the real questionwhy haven't your rmt'd your shit, anon?
>>858415Haven't played since 2009, had a 30 mil sp character, with -9.9 sec thinking of getting back into it. Someone give me a TLDR of changes since then.
>>866512rmt your shit
>>866516rmt your shit
>>866518rmt your shit
why haven't you rmt'd your shit though?
you should consider rmt'ing your shit
>being this mentally unstableSee what lack of jukebox and browser does to anon
>>866530the jukebox rmt'd its shit and so should you
so did the browser
>>866531>>866540That's the saddest story of eve
>>866544i know rightanywayscome home white manhttps://youtu.be/Own4pDDmpoU?t=74
>>866548>Scam CitizenAhahahahahahah
>>866566come home white man
come home white man
>gameplay
>eve online's "gameplay"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSf84wvTC84
>star citizen
>2023>your time being so worthless you'd piss it away in video games whatsoever
go and fucking draw furry porn or make wood furniture or something jesus fucking christ
anything, anything, anything is better than continuing to have any part in this washed up space nigger malsocial psychopath retard literal excel spreadsheet driven game administered by heavily inbred autistic yuroid shits who's parents are all cousins and would be, in most certain terms, best served and most mercifully by the volcano they live on suddenly detonating and sending them all to heaven in an instantto speak nothing of what twenty years of cumulative mercury poisoning have done to the 'staff' of this ailing project in all of its awful, prolonged, inhumane death throesccp will soon die alhamdulillah it has been written in the stars
rmt your shit
don't say i didn't warn you
>>866864but you literally say>i didn't warn you
>>866325seconding the long range destroyer thingi use a cormorant for anything low level and for shit like lv1-2 missions, SOE etc. you dont even have to move most of the time, you just warp in and snipe everything from 40km
>>866511>>866521>>866519>>866517>>866513>>866863This the end game of a sunken cost schizophrenic?
>>866308That's what I usually buy for?
According to quick calculating Plex->ISK legitimately bough from CCP costs like 7,5-10 $/B ISK depending on the pack (Jita sell, not taking into account taxes, discounts etc.). RMT 4$/B ISK doesn't sound that far off, even a bit high.
isk is fucking dirt rmt your shit while anything in this game is still worth anything at all
>>867166Last time I sold ISK, it was going around $5/b, imo not worth it if I were the buyer. Not really worth it as the seller either, even if I had 50b ISK it would've still been a measly $250 for a lot of work in the game.
>>867166who the fuck buys isk when the game showers you with it anyway?
>>864757Finally lost my first ship, Sansha devoted room chewed up the logi while kiting. Rechecked Lowput’s video tutorial, turns out logi needs to be the anchor and retris lag behind as bait. Still really enjoying frig abyss, lots of little things to learn and plenty of manual piloting.
>>867240It only showers you with money once you have good skills
>>867177>thinking money is worth your funStop being a kike and try enjoying your life.
>>867365not reallyPI takes a week to train into and pays 2bil/month passivelyuse that isk to buy frigates to FW withone battlefield gives 200mil worth of LPyou have to try to be broke these days
>passive income
>>867368>and pays 2bil/month passivelykek with what planets? there is no way. >one battlefield gives 200mil worth of LPnot gonna survive without a megacorp
>kek with what planets?with any planet, as long as you have no taxyou aren't extracting, are you?
>>867367>playing eve>enjoying your lifewhatever floats your boat i guess lmfao
>>867370>what planets?Theres like 10 posts above yours outlining how to plex with PI in this very thread you fucking retard.
imagine being able to swallow the mindnumbing pointless tedium of PI let alone to the extent that you'd be able to plex an account with iteve players are retards
>>867370>what planets?pick a wormhole, any wormhole, make basically anything>not gonna survive without a megacorpyou havent done FW since the expansion havent you?
>>867526>click buttons for 3min a day>mindnumbing pointless tedium of PI
If you do PI by clicking buttons for 3min a day you will make literal zero ISK.
>>867624What is the appeal of the space potato?
[Harbinger simulated fit]1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact PlatesReactive Armor HardenerTracking Enhancer IIDamage Control IICo-Processor IINanofiber Internal Structure IICompulsive Scoped Multispectral ECMCompulsive Scoped Multispectral ECMCompulsive Scoped Multispectral ECM50MN Quad LiF Restrained MicrowarpdriveHeavy Beam Laser II x 6Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor IIMedium Stasis Drone Augmentor IMedium Stasis Drone Augmentor IBerserker SW-900 x2True Sanshas Microwave M x6Imperial Navy Gamma M x6Radio M x1Microwave M x6Imperial Navy Standard M x6Gleam M x6Ultraviolet M x6Gamma M x6--------Superb fleet BC, you can do strong ewar against enemy logi, Web stuff down with drones, and even do reasonable damage at ranges up 60km, very versatile and useful fit.
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>>867855MJD and spidertanking reallydominix is kind of shit at everything else. an ishtar is half the price and does most of everything you would want a dominix for anyway
>>867657literally just do PI in a shitty wormhole, thats all you have to doeven in highsec PI pays like 100mil/week per character
Did it finally (highseccer btw)
>Playing around with anomaly/signature spawn mechanics>When either despawns, it will instantly spawn elsewhere, its scope being either region-wide or constellation-wide>For instance, if you complete a data site, it might always respawn within a constellation or it might spawn somewhere in the region (No way to tell until you complete it)>Generally means that completely scanning a constellation will usually yield a small, continual amount of exploration sites, though what appears may not be identical (IE, you might get any type of Serpentis data site instead of the one you just cleared if you're in Gallente space)>This is most noticeable regarding nullsec gas constellations, which always have one gas site of each type in them, clearing one out makes it respawn nearbyAll this is academic, but>Apply this logic to wormhole constellations>If you could, in theory, get a group of players to continually run sites in different systems in the same constellation (Which can be as small as six systems), you could see those sites constantly respawn and never run out>No need to leave your wormhole to run sites, other fleets will push those sites back to you
About 3 years ago I logged out in corp pos in a wormhole and won eve. I am considering trying to play again. Looking at zkill I see the Corp is dead. Would my ships be in safe storage or were they ejected/killed ages ago?
>>867939how long did that take
>>867965nah anything you had in there is gone
>>867967Just suddenly popped up, since the feature was added only been doing dens/hideaways and lvl3 missions.
What is the easiest class of wormhole for solo living (me and my alt)? What statics should I look for?
>>868153C1 is what you want if you're only there for the PI and industry, otherwise the combat loot isn't worth the time. C2 is the absolute minimum you should go with for combat, and ideally go to a C3.If you're trying to live out of one solo, look in to freeported wormholes, there's a few corps that maintain freeported structures in low class wormholes you can use for PI just beware that they can go up in flames if you go AFK. The best thing to do about that is to store everything in an alpha alt flying a large cargo hauler and keep no ships except what you've boarded in there, that way if you log out for a few months and the structure gets blown up you don't lose anything.
I keep trying to get into this game every few years just cause I like the universe and stuff but I'm too autismo for group content. I recently tried exploration and its pretty fun but can it sustain a solo player? For reference I never amassed more than 1b on my own so I'm forever stuck in the pleb stage
>>867908ISK doesn't magically get injected into your wallet by pressing planet button, retard.
>>868153It doesn't matter. Your shitadel will get ganked in a month tops.
>>868153day tripping, being honestsolo you're not going to be able to defend yourself enough to make it worth it. seconding what this guy says>>868154find a freeport or something, there's a discord that keeps tracks of all the known freeports and wormholers often band together to help defend them. get a cheap overtanked praxis or drake fit that can run C3s is prob your best bet starting out.
total amarrian deathT. A. D.
total capsuleer death
total bellicose life
>>868153C1 with null static. Mass restrictions will guarantee that you won't be evicted unless 100~ stealth bombers drop on your citadel. It's going to be hard, though. "The best ship is friendship" isn't a meme. Solo players don't have the same network of friends that corps do, and that will leave you vulnerable to getting your shit kicked in.Daytripping in a T3/Stratios/Astero/Covops is unironically the best option and will save you isk in the long run (unless you're doing PI or whatever).
>most eve pve is like a job>but you can just do more job instead anon, and buy isk with real money>doing overtime, finally easy isk haha>wait what?!?!. i was just going to play some games, not do more job
Just stop eating for a week, then you can afford a one year sub.
>>868994>ESL>complains about being brokeevery time lol
Should a gang be able to cause more “trouble” for or “disrupt” a sovnull system other than just emptying out the ess bank? It would serve as a check for alliances spreading too thin and not defending their space. As it is now it’s just scaring ratters/miners into a citadel, emptying the bank if they refuse to undock, and… that’s it.
>le defending space meme
Small gangs should be legally allowed to kill nulltards IRL (in Minecraft).
>>869011>meanwhile average first world enjoyer
>>868913I need a racist wormhole corp.
>>869011I dunno I'm an ESL and I consider myself a master of good trading deals in this video game.
>>869169Singularity Syndicate is what your looking for.... eve mail 'Abu Wahid' for vouch...
>>858415foozie status?
Game needs a 3rd person camera.
>>869952its been 10 years and i still hate the new camerawhy did they remove the thing that let you pick where the camera perspective focus was?i hate my ship always being on the left of the fucking screen when i'm zoomed ini wish they did more with the first person camera too, like at least spending 30min to make cockpit .jpgs for every ship
>Decide to actually get somewhat invested in EVE for once>Join a loose group of people who do community events (Basically fleets you can come and go from) and run mid class wormhole fleet for new players since C3/C4 sites is what I used to do>Build up the fleet, get a lot of regulars who come every week>About half of them approach me to run the fleet for their corp/alliance out in null in addition to this fleet>Literally every single corp is represented except for Frat and the Russians>Gradually realize this entire "community" group is nothing but nullsec sharks poaching anyone decent for their own alliances>Many of them asking me to advertise for them>Absolute exact opposite of my reasoning to be in the group (To be able to do content without having to be attached to a corp/alliance)>Realize even the organizers are in on it, the entire thing is a giant political game of trying to grow the ranks of nullblocs without labeling it as suchI'm not sure if I should just give in and start recruiting people for my own corp, signing away most of my time to manage a 30-40 man group living in a C4 or just drop out. I sure as fuck ain't going to go live in null no matter how much they promise, nor am I going to recommend it to any of the new players who fly in my fleet, so now it's just a question of if I double down or fuck off.
>>870053join a wormhole corp as a line member?
>>870053Are there any based big null corps? I heard goons could be pretty racist which would be nice. Tbh I'm thinking about joining TEST just to corrupt them into a 4chan alliance. I heard theyre pretty dead now and Itd be pretty cool to Borg the old plebbit faction into something they would hate.
>>870113Actually the more I think about it the better the idea sounds imagine this: we takeover their ccorp culture when they are small and oust their troons, sure existing leadership may rob the alliance resources and run but if we take it over we could change Dreddit to Clover make the dino green and oust any of the retired oldfags from comms. Once people respond (they always do) and kick us out of our space we go into wormhole space and become a shadow, a myth, a fable of a plague. By that point it doesn't matter if we just collapse or if we grow and attack. Either way we make our diseased mark on the game.
>>870113noevery alliance is sjw now
>>869169join all-out
>>870135Well then corrupting the reddit corp is gonna be my game plan, I just need to figure out how I could take over a leadership position.
its too late, I already informed on you and told them you're plan
>>870053Save the newbies from the nullblob menace, make your ideal wormhole corp. Assuming you can be bothered anyway.
reddit line members out
Not until I get my pap points
>>870141The idea is sound, but I don't think you realize the effort it would take. A lot of the types running null corps have legit management skills IRL, the only way you're going to topple the well-oiled machine is by starting a cult of personality. You need people to gravitate towards you from your charisma, establish those para-social relationships streamers have, and then slowly inoculate them to your line of thinking.I'm talking very slowly, like step one is to gather up a dedicated following, step two is to push the division between your group and everyone else, step three is forming your own thing somewhat apart from the rest of the group. By the time leadership realizes what's going on (Because most of them are pretty hands off so long as their subgroups are answering call to arms and paying taxes), it will be too late for them to shut things down and bring everyone back into the fold, so the best they can do is deal with you politically and try and keep you dependent on them. The whole thing could take years.End result though is that you ensnare a small chunk of a nullbloc's playerbase and either rent null from an unaligned group like Frat (Which is gay, but marginally better than the shitfest that is goons et al) or claim a wormhole which if you only take a single one will eventually leave you with finite resources to exploit and require exceptional leaders to get content to players.You'd think everyone would want to lead, but it's not the case; most people want to sit back and be a lineman and not have to think. The type of people who become leadership are almost all universally arrogant or narcissistic and only take the position to pad their egos, which creates the problem the alliance you just split from in the first place had: They had to promote you to a leader because no one else would do the job, and now you're going to be on the receiving end.
>>866068It's because the word "shit" is almost always being used, when people mean "stuff". So people needed a new word for "bad stuff", and since "shit" was such a popular word, they now use "dogshit".>shit=stuff>dogshit=bad stuffIt's demeaning, and belittling kind of expression. It have it's place though, because "bullshit" is already commonly used word, so tying tying animal feces to negative concepts is not a new thing. Also if you really want to complain about it, why use the word "shit" at all to begin with, when you are not talking about excrement?
>>870404There is also "the shit".
>>868695I made 6bill on my first month solo. Mostly combat sites and escalations, some exploration (now even high have 10m+ boxes) and high/low/wh gas sites. A little bit of abyssals, on which I actually lost much more than I made, as I got impatient and upped a tier or two too much. Mix things up, so you don't burn out, and you can easily plex. Take up reading, pin a window above you game, and just harvest fullerite in wh, it's only 25m/50mins as alpha, T1 scoops, and venture, but you literally do nothing but read, while it does the job itself, and when that is done, you can just do stuff you actually want to. Also I recommend just not to buy anything expensive, it will haunt you if you lose it, and drive you toward more risk seeking casino behaviour, trying to get back your losses. Always fly the cheapest thrash that can get the job done, even in high sec, if it can be seen you have something valuable, some russian will gank you just for shits and giggles. Of course you will gradually grow to hate russians more and more, as they are mostly the ones who abuse new players. You might start to hope for a hot war between NATO and Russia, so if nothing else at least those fuckers get rangebanned, it's normal, any prolonged interaction with russians does that. I fucking hate russians.
>>870434If Russians get range banned the game will unironically die.
>>870445Worth it.
>>870425I have "the shits"
>>870434>Of course you will gradually grow to hate russians more and more, as they are mostly the ones who abuse new players.russian eve players never did me wrong, they mostly play the game like other peopleit's the chinese that are completely alien abhumans who are going to take over TQ and ruin it
>>870462Chinks stay in their regions, russians shit up everything, everywhere.
>>870470>Chinks stay in their regionsnigger what, there are only a few regions where you'll find more real people than chinese bots these days
>>870472lol. ok. rangeban them together than. I don't care for chinks. but no chink bot have ganked me in high sec yet. no chink bot have went out of his way so I could not finish a DED site yet. no chink bot have blown me up on a site, which he did not even finish himself for at least half a day, when I checked it again. no chink bot have ever griefed me for the sake of it. isk making bots don't grief. remove the chinks for all I care, but all russians must go. noone but a slav would be apologist for them, but even slavs doing it knowing they lie. so go be a negrovic faggotsky somewhere else.
>>858415I miss EvE. Played from 2008 to 2011 and left with ~2000 kills.I was with an alliance that placed 2nd in 2011 tourney. We lost to Pandemic, but in space we never lost to them, not once. Non caps only, we didn't do cap grind - it was a pure PvP alliance.If you're from that time period, and you flew in nullsec you heard of us.Things I've done in eve:> Take battleships out with frigate solo> Win 30 vs 150 man fleet fights with no losses, constantly> Take on 10man fleet while solo, kill half> Fly a vaga with -10 rep in high sec, with enough stabs to undock and zip out while getting targeted in Jita (only got killed once like this)> Make 700usd a month botting to pay rent while I was in college (and unlimited funds for PvP), I still have 50+ bil just in case I get back, giving it away in Jita next month, send me 10mil min and I will send double back (heh).> Gank Raven ratters in high sec, collect insane loot from them... I think it was in Hek or around there, single salvo Malestrom setup at dock, cheap, effective. The tears...> Form amazing friendships that lasted years and moved on to other games> Hunt, ransom, turn insane odds into wins... and kill kill kill kill...There will never be another game like this. It was an amazing experience.
>>870515is this a copypasta
>>870515> Win 30 vs 150 man fleet fights with no losses, constantly30 3b vargurs v assortment of shit that doesnt even cost half as much, of course you'd win> Take on 10man fleet while solo, kill halfyeah you are so skilled to officer-fit your shit and press f1 every once in a while
>>870574on that note, why is pvp so shit in this game? there's no actual skill and winners are always determined by how much money they spent to get max skills and a slightly more expensive fit than whatever they're fightingi saw some vargur faggot shittalking in local about how he's a pvp god and zkill shows him only being able to kill shit that costs below ~60% of his 2.6b vargur. why even bother with pvp (outside of sov) if this is the case? it also seems that nobody in eve even subconsciously understands this and thinks if they died enough times they'd magically become a pvp god too
>>870462This.>>870210I agreee but this has potential. We need someone on the inside who would commit to this long term. Also we shouldn't care about the end result, the main thing is to take it over and cause chaos. Who cares if we destroy the corp and fuck renting, we come, we kill and when we run out of their stockpile we go our own way.
>>870583>there's no actual skillThere is 1v1>how much money they spent to get max skills and a slightly more expensive fit than whatever they're fightingProjection, noone buys skill injectors, players have just been training skills for decades.
>>870583Also I kill expensive ships all the time in my Tristan. I love killing richfags
>>870574> yeah you are so skilled to officer-fitAt the time Machariel was 800mil and total fit was maybe 2bil.There was one expensive faction module - i forget which.I've done similar things with Cynabal worth about 700mil total. Key is not getting into something you can't get out of, stretch them out toward you with false hope of a kill (pretend to run away), then just salvo until one cracks. They want revenge... and you have a fight. Use gates. Try to fight while aligned to one of your safe spots / sun / belt.Set up safe spots pre-emptively and try to lure them into that area, then just jump around until they run out of ships or start using their brains.> 30 3b vargurs v assortment of shit that doesnt even cost half as muchIt was mostly cruisers, command ship, some frigs and support. Key was very well trained support. Like I mentioned - we placed 2nd against Pandemic in 2011. Whole alliance was composed of very tuned players. Zero tolerance for random bullshit ships/fits in fleet.>>870569no
>>870583It was exactly opposite of this in 2008-2011. Money only took you so far, then it plateaued out.
>>870574>vargurslmao, just fucking warp away holy shit lol know when to take a fight and when to leaveAnd even then 150 shitfit frigates can kill a permatank vargurfucking brawling brain andies I swear to god
>>870654slavshit detected
>>871090what changed between then nd now?
>>871099 Wrong you retarded bug.
>>871104Don't know, probably nothing. Just what he says is happening was not happening at all back then. We hunted idiot piñatas who fitted faction and didn't know how to fly it. Its like a gift of the eve universe, would be a shame to let it go.You can kill a vaga in a ceptor if you're good and lucky enough. Just get under its guns and take drones out in time. 220's wont track you fast enough at 500m orbit, and if you manage to fit tracking disruptor... you're home free.I logged in 2 years ago, and killed some low sec ratter in Navy Brutix, I was in a frig, game looked more or less the same but with more premium features UI spam and way more people who have no idea what they are doing...Just can't get back into it, so fucking boring now with PUBG and other stuff out.
You can still get the great fights you're talking about, don't act like they've vanished. Last night my corp beat two null fleets back to back despite being outnumbered. We weren't blingy either, just get out there and fight.
>>870583It's always funny to me how scrubs like you can't grasp the concept of pvp in this game. It's always "they're blingy as fuck", "they have maxed out skills", "they have snakes", "they use unfair kitey ships", and during the offrgrid links era it was of course "they have a link alt".>>871117I've been playing since 2012 and have also seen my share of solo vs gangs, small scale vs fleets, and competing in tournaments.Nullbears in general have become noticeably better at pvp, and by that I mean that they've learnt to use easy and effective ships. Competent small scale gangs still rule supreme, but solo pvp has become more difficult and less fun.What's really sad is that there are no medium scale roamings anymore. It's either nimble small gangs that rarely see each other or guys like Hydra who roll wormholes and escalate with very strong battleship comps.
>>871129>More difficult and less funPussy
speaking of skilled PVP, which faction are you guys in FW?i'm still 50/50 between helping gaylente or minmatar
>>871138You're right, but I do miss the times when you could undock in a cheap t1 cruiser and reliably find fights in nullsec. Especially the few months right after the interceptor rebalance when tons of people were flying inties - you could duel all day long.
>FW
faction warfare more like fag warfare lmoa
>>871139Caldari and I used to be Amarr. I like the look of gallente but they're faggots, I like the ship names of minmatar but I refuse to assist the space niggers.
>>871139Just hop between militia like a true merc.
>>871172>>871178Only place to actually fight
>A Brutor steals your gfThat's it I dislike them forever.
>>871139Amarr. There's a more than a few regular FCs in both TZs, and actually have a decent range of skill, so you can choose how autistic you want to be and still have people to fleet with. I cannot understate how much of a fun, content rich meat-grinder Auga has been, just DST some ships out there and start PVPing.
>Amarr
>birfost main
>>871129> It's always "they're blingy as fuck", "they have maxed out skills", "they have snakes", "they use unfair kitey ships",To be fair to the noobs, the game does make an impression that "skills" are the char points you accumulate. There is some undeniable value to that, but in long run - actual gameplay skill is the real skill. I was a dumb brawler jumping from lowsec to null to find fights losing 2 ships a day, because I got tired of popping ratters and miners in lowsec with my Ishtar, but real PVP skill, baiting, gate strategies, scouting ahead, using bookmarks strategically - all that was learned in Curse flying with organized maniacs.I can see why someone would assume "officer modules", alts and other grindy bullshit is what they need to be effective.> What's really sad is that there are no medium scale roamings anymore.Sadge. My fav was running a med fleet of canes, cynabals and 1-2 scimis.> What's really sad is that there are no medium scale roamings anymore. It's either nimble small gangs that rarely see each other or guys like Hydra who roll wormholes and escalate with very strong battleship comps.Whats the political composition now? Is space fragmented or monolithic? I remember when I left in 2011, it got pretty boring because Goons and Pandemic more or less controlled almost everything.
>Haven't played EvE in years>Even then the few times I did play were brief stints where I got filtered by initial learning curve>Reading this thread>Urge to try playing again even with all the complaints about multiboxing, P2W and giant faceless alliances kicking the shit out of smaller corps Why am I like this? I bet I would play for a few days and then just stop again.
>>871490> Why am I like this? I bet I would play for a few days and then just stop again.Why don't you join some null-sec alliance, deep in wtf space, build up to fly a hulk or something similar, mine some good stuff... learn the basics then move on to PvP.Get social right away. Don't just poke around menus, spin your ship and not know what to do... ask in help, they are helpful. I'd also warn you, this might end up the kind of time vampire you can't escape. Maybe build a business instead in real life?
>>871490Thats how EVE gets you. But this time don't binge it and just ease into it. Also don't join a small corp. Its not good to be the small guy in this game unless you have skill.
>>871453>Whats the political composition now? Is space fragmented or monolithic? I remember when I left in 2011, it got pretty boring because Goons and Pandemic more or less controlled almost everything.Pretty much the large nul blocs have asserted complete control over nulsec and we're experiencing a big blue donut worse than pre-space aids, because WWB2 proved that trying to fight someone over space, even with overwhelming force is pointless since the only thing you get is months of structure grinding with the only reward being their gay cores
>>870434I noticed basically the same thing since I came back last month again, just doing different stuff as I please breaks up the monotomy. Might tryjoining a wh corp to shake things up since my npc corp is literally dead.Also hilarious that russians still get shit on after all these years
Amarr wouldn't be so bad if their pulses didn't track so poorly, the beams optimal range wasn't comparatively low to railguns. Other close range only need one web, a standard amarr laser boat needs two webs to track well.
>>871139Calmil is full of blobbersAmarr is full of sweaty nerds that rage on mic if you dont have 400IQ minmax manual ship piloting skillGalmil is full of salty Americans that are still butthurt that they lost the event 6 months ago (because they literally did nothing and wonder why they lost)Minmil is chill stoners who just want fights
>>871490>I bet I would play for a few days and then just stop again.my advicedont do boring content (like highsec missions or mining)join a corpfly with spacematesdo PVPfaction warfare's in a really good place right now and where most of the fights are happening, you can make good isk while pvping in shitfit frigates and meet some bros
>>871635>WWB2 proved that trying to fight someone over space, even with overwhelming force is pointless since the only thing you get is months of structure grinding with the only reward being their gay coresWow... this is the same scenario that pushed all my former CEOs, who used to be big alliance superstar FCs to leave cap alliances. This was pre 2010. Cap game in EvE is a flawed design, looks boring af too.
>>870434^ I really enjoyed reading this. You're so hopeless in ever challenging them you're hoping for government interference in a vidya.But, I feel you. You're talking about me, we didn't harass new players, but seasoned carebears and anyone in nullsec worth shooting. Alliance I was in was created by former Red star FCs who just wanted to play eve at highest possible level of PvP. We thought of Red Alliance as mostly food too, mediocre PvPers with bad discipline. But everyone was Russian, Belorussian, Israeli etc... I tried at some point to create an American wing - but both executive FCs said its a potential 5th column, and I was shut down. I still don't agree. There were only 2 Russians from USA playing. I think they all moved to LoL after 2011, as there was nothing else to achieve in EvE, it got boring.I've never experienced that level of high play and viciousness in any other game I've played since. Wish I could tell you who the alliance is, but I already said we botted the shit out of the game to give us PvP funds, so its not possible. Some of the guys are still playing in other alliances.You have to understand that all Russian (and I suspect all slavic) groups in EvE are operating like soccer clubs. We fight each other, constantly one-upping and engaging in gang activities against one another. Sometimes gentle soft westerners get on the menu. Learn from it, it will make this game a lot deeper, which it is.Oh the times....I remember flying a shield vigilant (or as we called it: Lance Armstrong, get it? Look at the hull lol). No one expects a shield vigi. Fast, nimble, vicious little fly swatter. You go in alone and tackle a small gang of frigates, they have no fucking idea what they are getting themselves into... they feel they have an upper hand on you... by the time half of them are gone to 1-2 salvos each, you might get lucky and grab one more as they flee.
