but this time will be different :^)

Has Steven Sharif considerer a promotional partnership for Ashes of Creation with an adult diaper manufacturer? Like Everquest 2 did with /pizza and Pizza Hut, you could type /diapers and get them delievered so you don't have to interrupt your epic hardcore gaming sessions with trips to the bathroom.
Just an idea.

>>788657
Wtf?

With how in depth this game is turning out to be, are developers thinking about adding a way of earning some sort of crypto token for playing the game? I read a past post that someone put out a while back about blockchain in AOC, but I;m not sure if he and I meant the same thing. There are a lot of advancements going on with etherium that could be useful, from personal experience I know I will be spending a very long time infront of the screen playing my favorite MMO. If I could get paid for doing so, well, I might make it my job to play.

I don't know dick about this game. Is the combat actually good? Are the existing non-combat systems just copies of another game?

>>789143
Honestly nobody knows. They had like one playtest that people were talking about and everyone hated the combat. Now they've just shown us these developer talks with gameplay a few times since then. But nobody still has been able to get their hands on it.

There's so many systems that need testing, tweaking to player feedback, and other none sense. The game is probably 5 years out at a minimum. I can only see them releasing earlier if they're getting pressure to deliver.

>>789146
>5 years out at a minimum
>development started in 2017
massive lmao if true. i expect more fundraising and dodging questions on what happened to the millions already raised for the game since its kickstarter

This isn't looking good, even their own reddit is turning against them.

>>790673
the cherry on top would be if they linked to the suicide prevention hotline

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/zwsu77/i_am_pretty_bummed_out_about_this_game/

They're already deleting half of the posts in these threads lmfao.

>>791182
Steven's pretty bummed too IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

paypig shills are awfully quiet about this...

>>791182
https://www.unddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/zwsu77/i_am_pretty_bummed_out_about_this_game/
holy damage control lmao

>>791254
Same thing in the other new threads critical of the game, so many posts missing it's incredible.

>redditor fangays turning against it
That's the last step of the EA scams.

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>>791254
>not even deleted but REMOVED
this is great
>NO THINKING
>NO ASKING QUESTIONS
>ONLY CONSUME

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>soon to be 2023
>asses of creation fans will have more hours logged defending vaporware devs and posting fanfiction than actually playing the game

The MMO formula has been solved, stop trying to improve it or make it "realistic" it's a computer fantasy world where you quest, grind, and dick around with retards. That's it, it's done. Play Vanilla WoW.

>>792107
>the MMO formula has been solved, play the game that ruined the genre forever
Retard.

>>792115
>it's bad because it's too good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT3FMbwnKWs

Ashes of Creation if he real

>>792147
How is this not being hyped when it's exactly AoC?

>>792138
>vanilla WoW
>good
Retard.

>>792147
>Pay to win? But decent content? Is it worth the cash? Like a rise of kingdom’s early day kingdoms where 10k makes you a god for a year. or is it Diablo where 100k could maybe make you a second tier chad? That can’t destroy Any one apart from people who spent the same money, so no one?
People asking important questions in the comments. I like how it went from 'fuck p2w' to 'is 10k enough to pwn noobs' in just a few years.

>>792147
Apart from P2W this seems leagues better than Ashes, probably somewhere on the Archeage level at least.

>>791287
How can you see this, are they your posts?

>>794444
open >>791254

>>794446
Oh shit I didn't even realize it wasn't a reddit link. Thank you!

>>788229
Oh hey look another barebones MMO that promises the wo-ACK

So let me get this straight:

> Almost every kickstarter MMO failed miserably or was a scam

> Team of overly ambitious loud mouth devs launch kickstarter for their next WoW killer MMO and raise millions

> Delays after delays, "development" started 5 years ago and they don't even have a basic build yet, but people think its coming in a few years somehow

> It's not a scam just be patient

Those who paid for this shit deserve to get hustled all the way lmao. The devs are busier fucking hookers and snorting cocaine in yachts than developing the game, and i can guarantee you a lot of the "development" was outsourced to cheap outsiders working for peanuts.

shills got REAL fucking quiet since the last progress update, theres gonna be more hours of people creating fanfics of what the game is gonna be like instead of hours actually playing lmao

>>792147
How many layers of "x reacting to y" do you need?

>>792182
Because they're not paying shills to promote it
Every single MMO player is excited for TL, especially the PvP crowd

Just play Eve if you want open world PvP mmo

>>800510
>Because they're not paying shills to promote it
>Every single MMO player is excited for TL, especially the PvP crowd
LOL. LMAO even. Imagine being excited for an NCSoft game in 2022.

>>800510
Wouldnt say im "excited" hopeful is probably a better word, as long as its good enough to fuck around on till aoc either releases or flops if flop then wait for AA2

>>804796
>aoc coming out before aa2
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/53985/question-about-housing-system

>Your point??? Not my fault you refuse to accept the facts laid before you, how Steven is designing the game, the overall picture of his game.
>yeah im toxic, so what. PvP is competative by nature - expect trash talking. Expect the strongest survive, the weak dies. Expect the better player to be on top winning and everyone else doesnt even get scraps. If you can't handle that - if you cant handle players investing and being competative - maybe just maybe
this game is ACTUALLY NOT FOR YOU. or any pvp, fps, moba, rts.. hell even monopoly and uno.

>I still think my little pony private server still exist somewhere.

This shit isn't even halfway to alpha yet and it's already a parody of the Archeage toxicity, it's hilarious.

>>809474
only thing mmos are competitive at are being wagecuck simulators lmao

>>809474
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/54928/is-the-375-worth-it-for-the-voyager-plus-pre-order-pack

Now they started deleting the guy's posts from the forum while leaving the shitheads replying to him to go fuck himself lmfao.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/54972/we-have-to-do-this-right

This forum is a comedy goldmine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hObtOHf_bwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hObtOHf_bwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hObtOHf_bwU

NEW LIVESTREAM IS LIVE HYPE HYPE HYPE

>>819001
did they announce anything significant or is it just another announcement jingling keys

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>>800510
I only come here to see cope like this, and god damn I shit myself on this one

>>819097
It's true though, this is Lineage 3.

>Did they really just do a Tank presentation when, clearly, there is no Threat mechanic implemented in the game yet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/10mxqvl/did_they_really_just_do_a_tank_presentation_when/
>Tank preview stream was a disaster and here is how can Intrepid make sure it doesn't happen again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/10myits/tank_preview_stream_was_a_disaster_and_here_is/
>What a shit show.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/10mxztf/what_a_shit_show/

>>819171
it was so bad they deleted the vod and redid it, and we're supposed to believe the studio that can't even do a video to show off a few abilities can make an mmo this ambitious?

>>819247
Time for Sorc to realize he can't just buy yes-men like he did in all the MMOs he played.

>>819247
>they deleted the vod and redid it
LMFAO who the fuck has time to watch the same shitshow TWICE?

>>819171
>The Tank Class Was Showcased but Tons About The Class Still Up In The Air?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/10n7h63/the_tank_class_was_showcased_but_tons_about_the/

>>792185
Well, what’s bad about it?

>>819382
it's too good

>>819366
>So intrepid is now banning people from discord who speaks negative about tank preview?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/10nib5b/so_intrepid_is_now_banning_people_from_discord/

When a dude has millions and keeps pumping his own money into the game (supposedly), but his team members keep leaving, you know there's something shitty going on there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMi-Sbj2Qjg

Asmon's commends are 90% negative, set sail for fail baldbros.

>>816003
kek I swear these people are all deranged

I predict alpha 2 on 2025

>>788229
>People clinging to each and every upcoming mmo like the second coming of christ when its clearly a nothing burger year after year
What's the name for this mental disorder?

>>822329
Being old? I just want one single game to live an alternate life in, like you could back in the day, not random bullshit to play for 2 months and then either spend years being sad as I watch it die slowly, or hop on the next bandwagon.

>>822329
its called being an mmofan

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another case where devs dont build up most important aspect of video game first

>>822951
Which one?

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>>820846
>watch my rat looking subhuman casual tranny reacting to a reaction of a reaction within a reaction and give him money for it

>>825734
What's the alternative?

So how come it's taking 20 years for them to release a game that costs 30 million to make, when they don't even have to make the engine?

BDO was made with 1 million USD and took 4 and a half years. Completely custom engine, absolutely brilliant graphic quality and great animations and effects.

What is wrong with western game companies. Scamming fucks.

Do they or anyone really think their shitty game is going to rival Archeage 2 or Riot's mmo?

>>826709
Or Throne & Liberty which is literally Lineage 3. Here's the thing, Steven is just paying to roleplay a game designer, and have a bunch of yes-men around him, just like when he was paying to roleplay a guild leader in Archeage. It's purely a vanity project and having nothing better to do with all the millions he scammed.

>>824669
Having a game to play

>>820846
>Asmomgone
He blew up his mother

>>826730
>Throne & Liberty which is literally Lineage3M
fixed that for you

>>826839
What's the difference really?

>>826709

Would you blow through all the money you raised in ACTUAL developers, large teams of costly staff because you can't hire pajeets to do coding or art for an MMO and deliver the product within 4-5 years max like any gaming studio should ?

Or

Spread the development over many years, possibly a decade or more by paying a smaller team big salaries (Make yourself rich legally basically) and come up with excuses/delays as to why the product isn't coming out, since the entire team is going at their own pace and frankly more focused on the cushy job salary paid for by kickstarter money than actually doing their jobs.

All these kickstarter projects are fucking scams and people gullible enough to think some neckbeards who got millions thrown at them will not simply abscond with the funds instead of doing what they promised is just pure naiveness.

Gaming studios (Real ones) often have private investors, venture capital funds, hedge funds, wealthy folks that can basically ruin the devs life overnight if they actually attempted to scam them out of their money.

Now with kickstarter projects you replace the big dick investor and institutional finance money with fucking geeks and neckbeards who have little to no legal leverage against the team in charge of the project, aka they can just scam everyone and call it a day.

AAA MMOs are floundering because they drank the whaling koolaid which means they'll never be able to make a game worth a fuck again because the whaling game design playbook is
>Avoid all bad feelings at all costs, whales hate failure
>this includes social interaction, even 1% social interaction is enough of a chance to get a whale to feel bad and quit, and when whales make up 95% of your income, losing 1 whale isn't worth it if 19 non-whales quit
>create problems that can only be overcome by extreme levels of grinding, keeping non-whales on the treadmill as food for whales, and offer the real solution to whales for real money, aka pay 2 win, yes this includes 'pay 2 not grind' for non-PVP games because whales only want to lord their wealth over other players

And in the extreme case that is modern world of warcraft
>create FOMO content that requires 6-12 months to 'complete' with timegating so you lock in $200+ from your faggot fanbase, like elite transmog collections, 12 month sub exclusive mounts, or the new trading post battle pass system that requires you to invest 12 months of your time to unlock the new transmog which looks better and is more thematically on point with warcraft as a franchise than whatever the fuck dragonflight tier sets are supposed to be

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55112/dev-discussion-48-training-pvp/

Important player feedback needed! Is training mobs on an unsuspecting noob something that's good for the game or not? Discuss!

>People already forming guilds since 2020
>some guilds already died from drama
>game isn't even out yet

>>832085
Its really a sad state of affairs when MMOs that aren't even out yet have better communities than whatever the fuck came out in the past 15 years

>>788229
Ded gaem
All these types of games are DOA
Don't even bother trying to copepost

>>832124
It's because all these "sandbox" MMOs are played out of the game itself, they don't even need the game to play it since it's just about having an excuse to form bully cliques in Discord and snake on each other.

>>832138
what if i copepost ironically to highlight how dumb the audience for the game is?

>>833779
lol

>>833715
This pvp sandbox tards still don't understand these games are psychopath simulators. They were interesting when MMOs were a new thing, but gaming communities are far more mature now than they were in the past. Their sensibilities are different. People don't want to log in to a video game and have some incel decide to terrorize them while they're just trying to quest. Progression can be difficult enough without some asshole killing you over and over again and putting people in a bad mood before they even get to the raid. I remember a girl from my guild in WOW legitimately crying over voice chat years ago because some assholes were continuously killing her while she was trying to get to our Icecrown raid. I confronted the people killing her and they were just laughing and saying they were doing it between arena queues. To them, it was just a fun way to pass the time...killing an innocent person again and again to the point she cried. That isn't a good look for a company to have in their game.

>>839094
the best part is that the audience that wanted this type of experience moved onto sandbox survival so the only people left who want hardcore full loot mmos are shitters that couldn't make it into other games. not to mention the people who say they want these mmos ever end up playing them anyway, so the games die and the shitters cry out again "theres an audience for full loot pvp mmos" and the cycle starts over again

>>839165
I still don't get why a real society doesn't develop in these games, so that if you commit crimes, you get punished.

>>839094
>>This pvp sandbox tards still don't understand these games are psychopath simulators.
lmfao can you be more of a redditor

>>839094
>psycopath simulator argument

Holy fuck, its a video game with PVP, grow the fuck up and just stick to WOW holy shit WOW is popular for a reason because its the containment hugbox for faggots like you

>B-but its an MMO
Yes
>PVP MMO
Yes
>So its psychotic because you just steal from other players
Just like you can take someone's gun in a shooter after they die and drop it
>But muh hours of solo griiiinding you are griefing me you psycho!
Grindfag bullshit is only as bad as it is in PVE focused MMOs because its the only way they can keep someone who plays the game like a fucking bot subbed long term is .01% drop rates on mount skins on a weekly lockout, and if that shit existed in a PVP MMO no one would play it especially PVPfags.

Again, stick to WOW

>>841546
>if that shit existed in a PVP MMO no one would play it especially PVPfags.
Which is why successful PvP MMOs don't exist. and never will.

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>>841568
They've existed for 20 years, they're just not WOW

>>841570
Name some lmfao tardbaby.

>>839175
Because these games are made for people who can't function in a society. There's no incentive for sane people to play, all the systems are tailored to benefit playing like a nigger, so why would they bother?

>>841669
I've never seen such a garbage reddit take since extra credits stopped making youtube videos

>>841546
>if that shit existed in a PVP MMO no one would play it especially PVPfags
Yes anon, Lineage2 wasn't a thing, neither was EVE, Shadownbane or Archeage

>>841681
>0.01% drops in EVE Online

The fuck are you smoking?

Also
>Koreashit
>Relevant to any conversation about MMOs
Whats next, we gonna start talking about how genshin is the new best model of MMOs?

>>841689
>what are officer modules
You really should play games first before voicing retarded opinions on them
>seriously pretending L2 wasn't a giant staple of pvp mmos
Also Shadowbane wasn't korean, you would know that if you actually had any insight in the topic.

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>>841693
>He's using officer modules as an argument
Here's how I know you don't know shit about the games you talk about

No fucking meta or docrine in EVE online uses officer modules, in fact if you fucking die with one you're likely to get you and your corp shitcanned from the alliance

Sure you could have used faction caps, but even those are being proliferated

But none of these things are comparable to a 0.01% fucking mount skin on a weekly timer with a soulbound economy

>>841676
Feel free to present a counter-argument.

>>788229
There is precisely no MMO ever coming out again. MMOs are dead.
However, it appears companies are starting to revive their dead MMOs and keeping them kinda like they were before. WoW classic and OSRS are long-standing examples that ruined themselves after release. However, there's a newcomer: FlyFF is back (universe.flyff.com). Other than that the only choice is private servers, or games that are still active like tibia.

>>841689
Eve does have rare drops from just about any profession. Ratting? Rare drops checked. Salvaging? You better believe it. Trading? You get 0.01% rare trade routes that are super profitable for various reasons, it's much of the same. Exploring? You bet your ass those wrecks have low-chance rare loot worth a billion.

>>841676
>I've never seen such a garbage reddit take
Comedy gold taking in account that the only site on the internet that circlejerks these MMOs is reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/11bvili/development_update_with_ui_process_progress_11am/

NEW UPDATE
HYPE HYPE HYPE

Good news guys! They removed crossbows after people have paid hundreds of thousands for crossbow skins.

>Read your TOS. Intrepid can change anything and everything they like at any moment for any reason. Steven gave his clarification a few hours ago. Crossbows are out. Those that purchased skins from the APOC store can contact Customer Support and they will be given X amount of Embers in compensation. Enjoy.

>"You may obtain certain Game Assets through gameplay or through using virtual items. Some Game Assets you obtain may have expiration dates, and they will no longer appear in your Intrepid Account upon the expiration date. You acknowledge and agree that Intrepid may change, modify, “nerf,” delete, remove or otherwise alter the appearance, function, use and/or properties of any Game Assets at any time, in its sole discretion."
https://ashesofcreation.com/terms-and-conditions

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55202/lets-talk-about-crossbows-and-potion-throwers

>>848147
Game now officially dead.
Not that it wasn't DOA anyway.

>>841669
You've got it ass backwards.EVE is the biggest hardcore PVP MMO running, and look at the demographics of the hardcore players. They're a load of dads with a wife, kids and a full-time job.

Hardcore PVP MMOs are precisely for people who can function in a society. In order to survive you need to form bonds of trust with others and work together instead of just being a turboautist grinding a dungeon for X hours. Harden the fuck up and act like a responsible adult human being and they're completely fine.

>>848205
>In order to survive you need to form bonds of trust with others
Yeah that's why literally every single guild/corp in these games has epic anime betrayals every two weeks.

>>848205
>you need a job to PvP in EVE
That's the only truth in your post.

>>848210
>every single guild/corp in these games has epic anime betrayals every two weeks.
only the shit ones

>>848147
and to just think there was nonstop shilling for this fucking (((game))) a few months ago
lol

>>848270
At least you got paid, right?

>>848278
i figure thats the only incentive to talk about the game, imagine willingly paying to shill

>check out Mortal Online 2
>is everything I would want out of an MMO
>am NA West and the dev does not intend on providing a playable experience for anyone but eurofags

FML

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55205/the-implications-of-the-removal-of-crossbows-potion-launchers

>Recently we’ve gotten news that crossbows and potion launchers will no longer be included in the game. This is a major disappointment to the community… Not only because there are those who were hoping to use these weapons, but because this decision could be foreshadowing the future of Ashes.

>Are we to expect more shortcuts in the future?

>Considering that crossbows were a stretch goal, people paid to have them implemented. Dropping them from the game implies a disregard for other promised features.

>It is also inexcusable that we were informed of this change in a discord post from Steven. The “relatable developer” marketing is beginning to look unprofessional. This includes the tank showcase, where Steven’s lack of skill made it hard to reliably judge the tank role being showcased. People seem to forget that Steven Sharif has a history of multi level marketing and is here to sell a product. Being a relatable gamer here to save the mmo genre is a great marketing ploy.

how to make the perfect mmo:
kickstarter scam *this is mandatory do not skip this step*
sell dress up packs for $500
launch a fully monetized battleroyale
have the battleroyale flop hard (800 all time peak on steam)
say the monetized battleroyale was just a test
plan to launch in 2020
delay your first alpha until 2021
don't implement all of the features you planned for alpha 1 (including... bows..lol)
hype alpha 1 to streamers
have it die within 3 days
realize you are in way over your head
start cutting features and call them stretch goals (they don't have to be stretch goals)
>you are here
turn 360 degrees and just make the game that you were capable of all along (screw the heckin' doubters)
make a million billion dollars from all of the epic gamers who believed in you all along
????
profit

and always remember, no refunds!

>>788229
>>791287
>Albion
that's exactly what this damn game will be
fuck that shit

At this point I think they're just doing these showcase videos for little technical bits and hoping that they'll get bought out by a big company so everyone can finally be finished with the "project" and move on with their lives. There's no way being around a whiny egomaniac like Steven is enjoyable for anyone, so they're hanging around him just for the money, same as everyone in his guilds over the years.

>>849095
>launch a fully monetized battleroyale
>have the battleroyale flop hard (800 all time peak on steam)
What br did they make? Genuinely curious.

>>849359
the only people who played it were the backers because they gave you cosmetics in the mmo for playing
https://steamdb.info/app/1133430/

>>849363
Yeah like cosmetics for crossbows which they removed from the game lmfao.

>>849095
The br flop might be a behind the scenes funding requirement like the moba thing that the Camelot Unchained people half built and very quietly let disappear into the ether. Using their actual brand and encouraging people to play it seems like a mistake though.

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>>852851
>our investors are very interested in your mmo project, we see a lot of potential there
>we have just one condition though
>you have to have at least one flopped BR under your belt before we're comfortable moving forward

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55252/no-pvp-on-the-freehold-please
lmoa carebears already ruining house pvp

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/nkrrzt/why_do_content_creators_court_steven_sharif_and/

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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>854793

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>>854794
p...please respond

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>>854796

This will be a better AoC years before it's released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psIvFjYkSS4
Former EVE Online developers, historical setting, sandbox PvP, no gay bullshit, what's not to like?

>>848351
mo2 is shit for other reasons but you'll be fine

>>855620
also vaporware
one of the founders, a woman, has never even owned a computer. she flat out admits
>i've never owned a gaming pc
fuck off

>>856845
Shut up.

>>858264
holy shit i will now subscribe to your vaporware mmo by people responsible for EVE being such a letdown

>>855620
>sandbox PvP
>no gay bullshit
Pick one.

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>>791287
>albion shill

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>>858323
>might as well pick both
>sandbox pvp? how the fuck are you even supposed to play sandbox pvp
i thought sandbox games were 2d other than that sandbox game on steam

>>791254
Looks to me like they just nuked the one guy's comments. Doesn't look like his comments were popular.

>>855620
>gameplay programmer
>technical artist
>designer
>character technical director
Do any of theses roles actually matter to the MMO aspect? Who's designing the netcode?
Unreal had to jump through some hoops just to get 100 people in a Fortnite lobby.

>>854797
I don't think 86k gold was too crazy amount. For normal f2p player yes, but quite modest amount for guild leader.

>>859440
that was on a fresh start where people were selling kraken loot for 1k lol

Did they cut the furry race out of the game yet. I wanna know just how generic and unremarkable this game has gotten.

>>791287
He's right about everything. PvP players don't care about graphics for a reason.
Albion doesn't even look bad or outdated. It's just the player models are very low poly to make ZvZ playable. Imagine 200 players fighting on your screen in a game like AoC. It's a dumb move for a PvP MMO.
Not everyone has a gayman $2000 computer. Especially not f2p MMO players.

>>860164
>Imagine 200 players fighting on your screen in a game like L2
I don't need to imagine. Albion is a phone game tho, so you can't really have graphics.

>>848211
Your post makes no sense t. NEET Eve PVP god (or at least was when the game wasn't yet ruined by Korean MTX BS and years of neglect by retarded Iceland niggers, not playing anymore).

>>841568
there are successful pvp mmo's, they're just called by different names like "Escape from Tarkov" and "Dark and Darker"
PVE monsters are secondary and they strip most of the dick around and socialize aspect of it because no one wants to talk to each other when the purpose of the game is to KILL, so for all intents and purposes those are pvp mmo's in their only form

>>861175
>there are successful pvp mmo's, they're just called by different names like "Escape from Tarkov" and "Dark and Darker"
You're retarded lmfao.

Thought this would be dead on arrival but it's already dead and it's not even in alpha 2 yet.

>>788229
>>792147
I'm not watching this ugly goblin faggot

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/123s4or/i_got_to_meet_and_chat_with_margaret_krohn_over/

heh heh

>>873194
Stephen's parents are from a rich Pakistani "political" (gangster) family, just look up the Sharif family, so it's not unlikely that all the money his mom and him supposedly got through MLM and all the money he has for the game is just some kind of money laundering for them. Either way they have infinite money through family connections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeX-zfPImlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-NLUkgd3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNAITLlyY4
AMAZING NEWS
WE'RE ONLY 2 YEARS AWAY FROM ALPHA 2

ashes of star citizen

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>>788229
This game wont have a playerbase, the coming few years are stacked with huge mmos coming and as a sandbox chad im going to be on archeage 2 rather than this janky western indieshit, normies will be on the riot mmo, animal crossing ethots will be on palia, and the myriad of korean mmos will take the rest

>>873195
Then this is a money laundering vehicle and should be treated as such

>>878261
There's no proof really, but it doesn't look good. I don't want to doxpost, but you can search reddit for his mom's MLM posts that she spammed on social media and got zero engagement for example, but they somehow still got hundreds of millions from it. Just looks like something you'd do if you were getting a LOT of money from Pakistan.

>>788229
>Asmonigger
Closed video

>>878090
>the coming few years are stacked with huge mmos coming
Please, do list them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faeK_vQnnm0

New QA so you can marvel at Steven's mansion interior.

>>880937
Archeage 2 and Throne of Liberty (Lineage 3) are direct competitors to AoC which is a ripoff of Archeage and Lineage.

>>881991
I just watched the intro and he's still coughing and sucking on cough drops, he's been coughing for the last 5+ public appearances spanning at least a year, is he dying of AIDS?

>>881991

> Raise millions for mmo
> Buy mansion
> LARP that you're building the game and release crumbs over 10 years while paying yourself a 6-7 figure salary
> Hire ukrainians/low cost coders/third world artists to do basic demos for showcases
> Rinse and repeat until everyone forgets so you can slowly walk away from the project

Gotta love these kickstarter scams lol

>>882037
He already had a mansion though. He's famous for trying to fly his prospective guild members from L2 and Archeage to exotic countries and shit like that so that he could awe them into submission.

>>882507

So why a kickstarter if he's loaded ?

Lol never understood the ploy to impress his guild members and literally pay for trips, salaries and have a will to control an entire game's economy. I figured it didn't work out too well for him since everyone on board was in it for the money and no one was a real friend to him, they probably were all talking shit behind his back and he understood that sooner or later.

Now instead of doing gaming bdsm roleplay on Archeage shotgunning money at strangers, his next move to boost his ego is to manage the "production" of an MMORPG using funds from the public.

1. Being psychopathic like he is, it probably amuses him seeing that the money used to "develop" the game isn't his money but the public's money. He has zero skin in the game yet he gets to call the shots.

2. He gets glory and recognition from a click of delusional retards who see him as a guru almost, the same vibe he was looking for back then in Archeage, but now in a more sustainable matter, as a "game dev".

The main issue i have with that type of personality is that he doesn't give a fuck if the game releases or not, or whether it's a success or not. He's there for the thrill and the ego boost. He wants the glory, but doesn't care much about the results as long as people ride his dick. Who knows it might actually be a success assuming his ego gets next level and he shotguns even more money at actually developing the game but i highly doubt it, those types crash hard and get forgotten after a few years.

I met a few rich trust fund babies larping as game devs in my past in different gaming studios and it went exactly the same way with everyone of them.

I just realized this thread is over 100 days old.

Anyway, is there anything to hope for in terms of MMO besides Riot somehow miraculously creating a good game?

>>882862
for sandboxes? riot mmo will be wow clone distilled into its purest essence, not saying won't be enjoyable but not really what these sandbox mmos go for
throne and liberty release this year most likely (1st half is still their launch window for now), designed to be playable on mobile via NCsoft's purple app so I'm not too excited
Archeage 2, jake song wants it to be his legacy, and he's unhappy with how AA1 was handled after he left (right before launch)
pax dei, EVE in fantasy setting with ex-CCP devs, supposedly going into alpha in a few months, haven't seen much but they also want it to be streamable to mobile/tablets
I'm most hopeful for AA2, but AoC is really the only one that has taken a definitive stance on not having p2w, it's just up in the air if they can actually competently make a game

>>882875

Riot is known for chaotic launches, stealing content and poor coding their games and taking ages to fix them.

Valorant was coded like shit, stole art assets directly from Overwatch and copy pasted the CS GO competitive model/skin economy. It took time for them to turn it from a total shit stain game to a "success" capable to rivaling with CS GO in terms of popularity.

The same will be the case with their MMO, the launch will be shit, the classes will be unbalanced and the code will be written like shit and it'll take an extra 1-2 years to make it "decent".

They aren't trying to kill WoW, instead their strategy is to convert their large MOBA/FPS user base which is already into the whole fantasy world/sci fi metric into their MMO. Not many companies were in the position to do this so it'll be interesting to see how it works out.

It worked well with Valorant with so many League of Legends players converting to it as their main game and competitive platform, so we could see something very similar with the riot MMO assuming they add a competitive pvp aspect to it.

They couldn't give two fucks if WoW/Other mmo players join their game because they know they will since there's no other options out there other than the pay to win korean shit coming out soon or the furry tranny mmo that is WoW.

Btw, regarding Archeage 2 and Jake Song, i wouldn't trust any word that guy says, korean MMO devs have been saying this shit for years how "they want to fix the pay to win problems" and how they "dont want to repeat the same mistakes of their past games" and then end up doing the exact same thing because it's the only business model that makes sense for a korean company, turning the game into a pay to win cash cow.

>>882919
he's launched games without p2w (lineage, AA at first) so I do actually believe him (his intentions anyway), what I'm not so certain about is how much he will actually be able to control, it is kakao after all
for now it's just speculation since there's like 0 details, but that's pretty much why I have the most hope for it, they haven't shown me it will be dog shit yet

>>882752
>So why a kickstarter if he's loaded ?
Good question, and why the battle royale game with paid cosmetics and shit. The stories keep changing.

My personal theory is that he's running this just like he ran the guild, just buying his way into being a game developer like he always bought his way into being a guild leader despite having zero skills in the game. So people who just want money stick with him, and along the way he picks up a lot of admirers who just see the position and money and think he's hot shit, something like Asmongold's fans.

But yeah, constantly switching between "fully funded by me" and "give us the golds silly goys" is really suspicious. I guess people like that just love money more than anything else in the world and can't stop accumulating it at any opportunity no matter how small.

no really guys it's ISI money laundering

>>882919
>korean MMO devs have been saying this shit for years how "they want to fix the pay to win problems" and how they "dont want to repeat the same mistakes of their past games"
lol no, Asians love P2W systems. The guys saying that are the western publishers doing some lip service to the western players (see: cucks).

>>822329
Everyone is just depressed and they need something to spend their hours on with social interaction, without feeling too challenging and upsetting their already fragile psyche. I think Mortal Online 2 is very fun, but it's too "hardcore" and the combat is too difficult. People who play MMOs are just depressed and want social interaction without much effort. They want to be rewarded without anything being stolen from them, and I don't mean full loot PvP. They don't want to level up and still lose to a "hard" mob, they expect to become gods at max level etc.
It's just not fun man, that's why all these casual games die. The depressed casuals have fun for a few weeks, then never touch the game again and go back to their depression seeking the next dopamine hit. TERA did so well for a time despite having such a huge skill ceiling. The characters were so unique and good looking that the social interaction kept the game alive for both casuals and hardcore players alike, which created an atmosphere wherein it didn't matter if you sucked at the game which most casuals did, because you could still be a cute elin and do cute dances and have just as much fun in casual dungeons. The problem with that is that Westerners censor sexiness and do not want their MMOs to be attractive or cute. Being a Western MMO fan is horrible. Absolutely fucking terrible, we lose no matter what type of game it is, but likewise Asian MMOs barely have any mod support and 0 RP communities. MMOs are just fucked simple as

>>849259
>>Albion
>that's exactly what this damn game will be
>fuck that shit
thank god, literally the best game besides the fact it's top down/isometric and instanced zones.

also ran by commies are furries.

>linked straight to an asmongoloid video
kill yourself, you dumb fucking nigger.

>>882919
This will be their third game. You can't say Riot is "known for" anything when it comes to launching games. They have two fucking games that are incredibly successful. "ohhh they just copied CS" yeah no fucking shit sherlock

>>885526
do their forge games count?
also what the fuck is riot doing with Hytale? they bought that studio and then the devs went radio silent soon after

>>885526

Chill nigger, he did make a valid point.

>>882988

The most depressing part is seeing youtuber faggots like lazypeon still hyping the game up despite zero fucking developments in years lol.

And the cucks in the comment section are still deep into it thinking they're not getting hustled or anything. At this point it's hard to feel bad about any of these mongoloids who bought into the kickstarter.

>>855620
>what's not to like?
It's not an mmo. It will probably be a fantastic survival game, but that's not what I'm looking for.

>>891279
lol

asmongloid looks like a retarded person

>>895007
ok and

i need FRESH

this is going to flop just like New world lmao

When People Say They Want Player Driven Content, What Do They Mean?

I've heard quite a few people say that they want 'player driven content' and to not have the game hand them a story. But is this the minority of players? Outside of my own group, the people I've met who say this, then turn out to really just want 'an excuse or reason to start or participate in a conflict they can win'. Very explicitly just that (I've quite likely just had bad experiences?)

Elite has good options for storyline between factions, basically Nodes and Node War style stuff, it's all there. Yet players often seem to just ignore options for it, even when it starts. Is the 'content' most people are referring to just 'I want to fight some people' and therefore the reason why they just gravitate to Fortnite/MOBAs/etc now?

Is it that I'm misunderstanding 'Player Driven Content' to include types of RP or storyline due to my bias, that aren't actually important? This seems odd because a Sandbox game with just 'I want a reason to fight these guys' is still just a sandbox game and often might as well be an arena game.

Elite has many things that a player can do which aren't directly conflict/opposition related, but people who actually play in Open (basically the owPvP 'setting') don't seem to engage with most of them unless they expect that this will lead to a fight, particularly a fight they can win.

I used to think this was just me getting a data bias, because I 'already know all the people who would want more' and I already roll with those people, but after spending time in other PvP/PvX games, I'm no longer sure. I'm specifically talking about 'storyline', whatever that means to people, so if all that was just me jibbering, to you, I can bring it down to one question:

Is Player Driven Storyline mostly just drama and conflict or things that will lead to it, for people you know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-YMN2VXlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-YMN2VXlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP-YMN2VXlw


MAGE PREVIEW IS LIVE
DISCUSS

>>899368
What are the player-driven-content things that people can do in Elite that they don't do?

>>901612
The effects, especially frost and ice, seem a lot more cartoony compared to the rest of the game's aesthetic

>>901612
Literally every single skill in this is copied directly from WoW with the exception of 2-3 that are from D&D or Archeage. What the fuck lmfao.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/136fhi8/purchasable_cosmetics_becoming_normalised_is/

>>906532
poor

>>901612
>PvP kit
good luck designing PvE content around this

>>899368
Here's the correct future, objectively: a merging of sandbox survival/MMOs into basically a single genre. That is, you will have NPC cities acting as safe zones populated by ChatGPT style AI that players can have full conversations with all influenced by the local predetermined culture of that city/region. Some NPCs will know more about dungeons, creatures, and stuff like that and players will be rewarded for speaking with NPCs as much as they would be with joining up with players. Older NPCs will have more knowledge and so on. We're talking fully immersive worlds the likes of which people haven't seen before. Outside of these NPC cities, you will have a huge world where players can build and do whatever they want. Dungeons will primarily spring up through emergence as will raid bosses, think a Shadow of Mordor style system. We'll get to a point where NPCs will begin to conspire against PCs, band together, build, and "level up."

Sufficiently leveled up NPCs will functionally be raid bosses, not because they are damage sponges requiring you to not stand in the fire, but rather because they will have turtled up and surrounded themselves with enough booby traps and minions (some of which might be PCs!) that one person couldn't hope to fight through it. If players run around and successfully destroy every monster/raid potential NPC, it will draw the attention of beings from other dimensions and "assassin" NPCs that actively hunt these people and destroy their shit making it so that the only safe place for them to hide at a certain point is within an NPC city. This is one layer of these future games. You will then have A.I. causing shifting natural resources of different rarities, deep crafting systems allowing for all sorts of customization, and magic systems that functionally run on their own natural laws that players will have to figure out. Even when the discovery process is over, the game changer will be the more advanced A.I. This shit is inevitable.

>>915993
>ChatGPT
lol

>>915996
You should know what I mean. It's primitive now, but it isn't getting any shittier. There's going to come a point where you're going to be able to talk to an NPC in a much more deep way than "Hi, give quest speech." And it's going to happen a lot sooner than people think.

>>916000
And what would be the point of doing it?

>yet another ideas guy mmo thread

>>916013
He want's his MMO to be a single player game, like every WoW-baby, so he can chat with bots instead of players.

>>841546
>Holy fuck, its a video game with PVP
Such PvP games are shit mo because you're going always to get some faggot with buddies who will gank newbies on every occasion.
It doesn't create situations like two gangs fighting over loot. It's almost always ganging up on weaker players.

>>916431
Uh get friends lol?

my friends arent stupid enough to play mmos

>>901612
trying to be optmisitic here, but uh, separating pvp and pve abilities only works in games where pvp is an entirely separate instance. in an open world sandbox, having pvp only abilities is a nightmare to balance, since chances are they'll be usable in pve, at least they should be. WoW did 'pvp only' abilities by giving you 3 of them but you have be flagged for pvp to enable them, but they're usable in pve. ffxiv did a pvp kit for each job since their pvp is only instanced, their pve kit is not available in pvp and vice versa.

environment looks great, but fuck the setting. gameplay is what makes or breaks a game.
>doesn't go through all the spells
incredibly fucking lame, where has all their dev time and money gone? creating assets and using the engine cost nearly nothing, like i said fuck the geography, you need a good combat system and animation system.

visual effects on the spells are okay but they seem out of place, then again that can be good for visibility, to know a player cast that spell.

idk anons, theyre huffing paint and trying to get us to huff it too

>>855620
Eve online devs, holy shit why haven't I heard about this game. the pvp will be great.

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>>800510
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING NCSOFT GAME
zoomer faggot detected

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LMFAO THE TEARS

>>926203
lol

As it currently stands, a grand filter will absolutely occur here, and a grand filter isn't good for the longevity of a game thats
subscription based, first is the MMO players, which is a subset of gamers, then there is the PvPers, which is a subset of that,
then there is the good pvpers, then there is the good pvpers that will spend 18 hrs a day playing and grinding the game,
and then there is the good pvpers that spend 18 hrs a day grinding and spend a whole ton of money on farmers.

Everyone thinks they will be king in these games, standing above everyone else, having survived the great filter,
which is how this game is being designed, to have players claw at each other to be the ones on top of everyone else.
This will be great for a month or two, once everyone starts figuring out the game and getting a lay of the land,
then players will min/max as they do. To min/max you'll need to hold the best spots, in order to hold the best spots,
you'll need to be able to beat anyone else for those spots, and naturally the ones that hold them will do so by any means
necessary.

Once those players do so, they will snowball, and no matter what game anyone plays, this will always happen.
This will further solidify the pecking order. Content in the game will not be dictated by your own actions, it will be
by those that have monopolies on the content and their whims. Which becomes another filter.

The Filter doesnt end there. Once thriving servers start to empty out after a few months, and all thats left are the guilds
that have monopolized the server, which will happen once a guild does as they further snowball. The servers will then start
to merge with other servers, and the guilds that snowballed more then other guilds in these mergers will then filter those
guilds out as well.

>>933261


The end result like in any of these games will be a filter down to a couple guilds in a server, players will be forced into
these guilds if they want any chance of playing the game without being ganked for 100% of their playtime. These guilds will
essentially be the equivalent factions like Horde VS Alliance with some smaller guilds/factions vying for scraps.

Players will think their guilds will survive these filters as well, which 99% won't. These guilds will get swallowed up
by the top guilds to lower chances of getting ganked substantially while getting protection, if you hate the vibes of the
top guilds, then thats yet another filter. As all top guilds will have melodramatic BS, with cutthroat behavior even
inside the guilds, where lower members will get lower loot, and higher members will get priority loot, which creates
caste systems within these guilds. If a player should ever disagree with it, they will get banished from the guilds,
and will effectively be forced to quit as there is no way they can survive against any mega guilds by themselves or
with any smaller guilds.

The end result, essentially 1-2 party factions/guilds per server. Top players in these guilds will get top picks,
the remainder is trickle down economics. Congrats we made Classic WoW but with extra steps, and the top guild will
get first dibs on top of it.

This works great for game companies that have whale mechanics built into their monetization as it keeps their budget
afloat, but a sub based game like this is going to suffer hard when the player base dips to an all time low after
a year, which it will then need to adopt whale based monetization to extract more from the top players using sunken
cost syndrome as a psychological tool.

>>933262


In any open PvP game that i have seen in which they have lasted longer than a year, has had periodic server wipes.
Long term, this kind of system always fails, but short term this kind of system thrives as the idea that a player
will become top of the server increases with every server wipe thus keeping them around to play again for the next
wipe, cause THIS TIME FOR SURE THEY WILL BE THE KING! YOU'LL ALL SEE! Most players don't ever get to the top,
even for those that enjoy this kind of system, but its also the reason why any player would ever stick around for
such a system, to be the king of the server.

>>933263
ark survival evolved and rust are good examples of this, ark official pvp servers are run like a cartel since wipes dont happen while rust feels "seasonal" because of its server wipes

Can someone please explain action/tab targeting in detailed terms? Every video that "explains" it really doesn't, but already assumes I know how it works. I'm interested in MMORPGs and AoC but have never played a traditional one (outside of some very old mobile games and Runescape). I have played LoL, Souls games and Naraka, which people say plays like BDO with the animation locks.
- Tab target implies that you have selected a target before attacking. Is it like lock-on in Souls? (but doesn't affect camera)
- Tab target spell explanations sound like homing abilities in LoL. After the spell cast is successfully initiated, it's basically guaranteed to hit. Is this correct?
- If the above is tab target, what isn't? Are aimed AoE spells considered action combat?
- Auto-attacks sound like in LoL. After clicking on target, your character keeps attacking them, in LoL also following them automatically. Can be insignificant or significant damage based on build.
- In LoL, casting spells sometimes means a quick character freeze, sometimes not, depending on the ability, and a pause where you can't auto-attack. Tab targe is often explained as having "freedom" and no animation locks, opposite of action combat. Action combat often also means hit stun and interruptions, while tab target sentiment sounds more like LoL outside of rare hard CCs. Can you give me an overall rundown on what interrupts what in a tab target and what can be done simultaneously?

God this game looks like absolutely generic fantasy slop now. Did they cut the customizable furry race yet? That'd be the nail in the coffin for me that this game had any hope of standing out from generic Tolkienshit. It was bad enough they got rid of the potion gun.

>>934896
>Can someone please explain action/tab targeting in detailed terms?
Tab targeting = you have to have someone tab targeted to use single target skills, AoE skills target everyone in the AoE.
Action = you aim your skills towards the player/mob models like in a FPS, whatever they hit they hit, AoE skills hit everything.
Hybrid = like Star Wars Galaxies NGE, it's still tab targeting but targets get auto-tabbed when you aim at them, you basically choose targets by manually 3PS/FPS aiming, AoE skills still hit everything.

They're going for hybrid with this which is the worst and most annoying out of all three.

>>935647
gw2 also has hybrid combat. you can attack as much as you want and whatever your attacks visually hit gets hit, but some skills have single targets so the game locks you onto whoever it THINKS you want to target. causes a lot of bullshit like fighting an enemy close-up, trying to use a leap attack on them for instant damage, and then flying away to a completely different enemy that wasnt even on your screen

why do devs do this

>>939248
I knew this game was going to fail the moment they had their first pre-order pack

>>939248
>tfw people are preordering for a game that might not even make it to release day
the ever brilliant mmo player

>>935811
Doesn't GW2 let you choose specific targets by clicking on them an straight up tab targeting? I don't remember there ever being ambiguity to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnccM1wV3Eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnccM1wV3Eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnccM1wV3Eg

Ashes of Creation Alpha Two Cyclops Combat Preview

>>942024
Aside from a seemingly graphical downgrade, I have to ask where the mmo part of the game is.

>>788657
I have it on good information Sharif will implement a
/yourmum
chat command,
so get all your tendies while you still can
she will be VERY busy soonish

>>882919
>I don't like valorant, so I will make every negative claim possible about that game!
>valorant is mid!
>valorant is a flop!
>valorant is ded!
>and that is why riot mmo will be shit!
classic...

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/13zm0qe/you_think_ashes_of_creation_is_legit_try_to/

>>945916
posting links like this should be a permanent ban

>>934896
go play swords of legends online
it's free andthe servers are up for another month and have tab taget and action combat that you can toggle at any time

don't actually play it since servers are closing but downloading and doing an hour or so will give you the feel that I think ashes is going for

>>945936
I scrolled up in the thread and some faggot posted multiple direct links to reddit for no reason.
This is the community for this game.
I'm out.

>>788229
LOL

>>945940
It's a pretty good source of info about the game.

>On top of what this unrelated person said, a friend of mine (you may take that with a giant grain of salt if you want), was in his ArcheAge guild and told me years ago how his guild lead flew officers out to Dubai to vacation. Just completely outlandish stuff, which — hey, if you got the money and you want to blow it on people in your guild and your success in a game, go ahead — but he also told me that Steven was always gloating when he fucked someone over, both in-game and IRL.

Lots of posts like this.

>>916431
If there are adequate penalties for acting like a sociopath in game, the system will balance itself. Ultima Online sort of got it right. If you PK you should go "red" and be declared a murderer. What that actually means depends on how seriously you want to dissuade people from doing it. At the most extreme, you could implement permadeath on a PK. Maybe less severe, if you have player housing, take a page out of survival games and make it so a murderer's house can be destroyed by players. Anyone who houses a PK gets a warning that they're an accomplice and they have X amount of time to ban the person from their house or they can have their house destroyed. Stuff like that. It's not coming up with a cure for cancer here, it's balancing an artificial system where plenty of precedents already exist for its balancing.

>>950226
>>If there are adequate penalties for acting like a sociopath in game, the system will balance itself. Ultima Online sort of got it right.
Meanwhile in the real world...

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/a-brief-history-of-murder-in-ultima-online

>>916431
There’s less of this behaviour in PvP games because the player being wronged actually has recourse (in MMO PvP games at least).

It’s where the term ‘carebear’ came from. When someone makes you mad on a PvE server the only thing you could do is a ‘care bear stare’. On a PvP server people behave a lot differently because actions have consequences.

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NEW PACK DOPPED WE GUNNA FUX UP NOOBLETS IN DIS SHYT

>>951430
No they don't, not for people in dominant guild at least, you didn't play enough pvp mmos if you think otherwise.

>>953988
Just don't be a sheep and kill them lmfao loser?

>>788229
when I finally understood it's going to be Albion in unreal5, I lost all hype for good

>>953958
what do you expect when the guy bankrolling it is a flaming homo

Can someone name one unique thing about this type of MMO except "sweaty nerds and wealthy psychos can prevent others from engaging in standard content that exists in every other MMO"?

>>953958
>we will use the cosmetics we sell for in game asset
I'd like to see what lore reason for this

>>788229
I have no faith in a game that uses their betas and alphas to squeeze money out of their future customers instead of actually...you know...alpha testing the game?

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>Intrepid hires former Lead Designer and Co-Creator of Everquest 1 and 2 as their new Lead Game Designer

>Just appeared on LinkedIn. Seems after 2 years Intrepid finally has a new Lead Game Designer, Bill Trost.

>Notable work is he was the Lead Game Designer on Everquest 1 and 2 and also worked as Creative Director at Amazon Games for 7 years.

Seems like they finally hired /ourguy/ bros! The future is not lost with Bill Trost!

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what are we talking 2 years until this launches? Also open world pvp is always cancer. pic unrelated

>>955175
New World (Windows, 2021) - Additional Design
Landmark (Windows, 2016) - Additional Design
Defiance (Windows, 2013) - Creative Lead
Untold Legends: The Warrior's Code (PSP, 2006) - Lead Designer
Untold Legends: Brotherhood of the Blade (PSP, 2005) - Lead Designer
EverQuest II (Windows, 2004) - Additional Game Design
EverQuest: The Scars of Velious (Windows, 2000) - Designed by
EverQuest: The Scars of Velious (Windows, 2000) - Lead Game Designer
EverQuest: The Ruins of Kunark (Windows, 2000) - EverQuest designed by
EverQuest: The Ruins of Kunark (Windows, 2000) - Lead World Builder/Game Designer
EverQuest (Windows, 1999) - Designed by
EverQuest (Windows, 1999) - Lead World Builder/Designer

>>955175
>Creative Director at Amazon Games for 7 years

>>955441
Kickstarter mmos are always perpetually 5 years away

>>955175
>Creative Director at Amazon Games
and a fucking söy fear grimasse
it's basically a miracle he isn't trooning

also there's a fucking reason nobody gives a fuck about Evershit anymore..

>>940022
yes, it's literally foolproof
and this >>935811
is a retard

>>788229
oh look another new world flop

>>956080
no

>>961582
Honestly looks like this will be another DOA mmo but I'm interested to see why you think it'll succeed. open world pvp mmo games tend not to do very well due to seal clubbing ect.

>>962089
Then it's not for you and that's fine. This is a PvP game for serious PvPers (UO/L2/AA/EVE/MO2 veterans).

>>962104
they're all on albion online and will only play this shit for like a month

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>>839094
AN.
INNOCENT.
WAMAN!

Alright guys, this faggot Anon's anecdote and armchair psychology is telling proof that we need to nerve staple, castrate and feed microplastics to those heckin, evil MMO incels! WE CANNOT ALLOW THESE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS TO HAVE THE POWER ANYMORE! #BLM#Transkidsmatter#Proudtobeacuck#Just poopedabitofblood

be honest, how much money did you give to not play this game?

>>839094
you mean she was walking through enemy territory alone? shouldn't have been late for the raid.

>>962104
it's a game for people to flex their irl wallets and nothing more. imagine playing a genre built for escapism to live as a serf.

>>962289
Just the basic $500 packs and about $5k on cosmetics.

>>788229
last video i saw of this it looked exactly like GW2 gameplay wise. NOT INTERESTED

Does anyone know how this guy really got his money? Everyone is saying MLM on reddit but there is really no information about it, the MLM companies he was involved in had practically no social media presence, and his mother who supposedly brought him into it, just used to post some twitter spam with zero engagement. What is this family business actually about?

>>789143
>Is the combat actually good?
No. We're still waiting for another BDO which is just runescape but with good visuals and good combat, but with the same huge lifeskill/pve grind and just minus the korean P2W and poor decisions.

>>968628

Yeah but creating that type of game implies the main source of income would be subs or cosmetics which is risky for a studio sinking 50-200m into a new game.

Kickstarter projects wont do it because they're scams to begin with, why spend millions you have on a game that might be a flop when you can just soft rug and pay yourself a huge salary ?

That leaves the korean MMO model only, with P2W/Cash shop BS this way 1-2% of the player base can make the entire game profitable for the devs.

That won't change until the audience that likes MMOs grows and gets big enough for studios to care spending enough money to make an actually good game.

>>789146
>free aim combat
its gonna flop. The only respectable mmo's have tab target combat and it doesnt make sense why modern mmo developers try anything else

>>968548
Pakistani ISI

>>968548

He has big trust fund baby vibes. Kind of guy that never worked a job his entire life and decided to branch out of the family tree by having his own "project" aka this MMO so people around him stop calling him a trust fund baby.

MLM types don't make this type of money and when they do they're extremely discrete and don't show their faces online because they're one step away from lawsuits/mass doxxing for what ever scam they ran.

Ashes of Creation will fail not because it's a kickstarter scam (It could still be, who knows lol), but because it's an ego project for the founder who is more interested in showing he's working on something than actually getting it done.

>>968859
Sounds like everything I've read about his Archeage guild in terms of personality, the kind of guy who pays others to be around him and throws massive tantrums when things don't go his way. Still doesn't explain the source of the money. How can this be looked into?

>>969013

His dad probably made lots of money running a business, those types usually have boomer parents that got insanely rich in some niche field like oil or finance back when any retard with some balls could make millions because the market was less competitive and the purchasing power was stronger.

He's one of the kids in the family that didn't directly inherit the business but got a big enough trust fund not to give a fuck so he's been burning money like a furnace since he turned 18 which explains how the guy was burning six figures in a month on Archeage just fucking around with the in-game economy and trying to build his cult-style guild.

I have friends that fit the exact description of this guy and everyone got the same background basically lol. They're all past travelling, making new experiences, etc and are depressed fucks since they've seen and done everything by the time they reach 30. As a result they do stupid shit like burning cash on games like Archeage and take part in retarded personal business "projects" to give themselves importance and meaning as they see themselves as the shadows of their parents who actually built something from nothing.

>>855620
Looks fancy but I fail to see how this isn't just another generic medieval MMO
>Former EVE Online developers
This is not a good thing. Having their main offices in Iceland and Finland is also a big red flag (limited talent pool willing to live in god forsaken socdem periphery).

>>788229
This game is ass. At this rate it'll take 5 more years before it's even remotely close to being "done" and by then all the devs will be suffering massive burnout. Literally just looks like a buggy version of Guild Wars 2

>>789143
It's absolutely ass. The animations, the spells, the attacks, ifs all so basic and shit that your brain turns off in seconds. They've made it artificially hard to basically cover up for how shit the combat is.

>just want to play an mmo where I can kill someone and wear their shoes
>wow and korean mmos ruined that dream forever

Freehold update is up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkMaNWiKg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkMaNWiKg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkMaNWiKg0

>>972254
Very excited!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGdWGn0KYFY

/ourguy/ Narc got copywrite stricken by the loser Jahlon from Paradox Gaming Network fuck that crybaby we need to fuck his shit up.

>>973435
very NOT

>>974362
Wow what a dick he needs to lose his channel for this.

The ISI primarily consists of serving military officers drawn on secondment from the three service branches of the Pakistan Armed Forces: the Pakistan Army, Pakistan Navy, and Pakistan Air Force, hence the name "Inter-Services"; the agency also recruits civilians. Since 1971, it has been formally headed by a serving three-star general of the Pakistan Army, who is appointed by the Prime Minister of Pakistan on the recommendation of the Chief of Army Staff, who recommends three officers for the position. As of 2021, the ISI is currently headed by Nadeem Anjum, a lieutenant general.[3] The ISI director-general reports directly to both the prime minister and the Chief of Army Staff.

The agency gained global recognition and fame in the 1980s when it backed the Afghan mujahideen against the Soviet Union during the Soviet–Afghan War in the former Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Over the course of the conflict, the ISI worked in close coordination with the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States and the Secret Intelligence Service of the United Kingdom to run Operation Cyclone, a program to train and fund the mujahideen in Afghanistan with support from China, Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim nations.[4][5][6]

Following the dissolution of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan in 1992, the ISI provided strategic support and intelligence to the Taliban against the Northern Alliance during the Afghan Civil War in the 1990s.[7][8][9]

The ISI has strong links with jihadist groups, particularly in Afghanistan and Kashmir.[10][11][12][13][14][15] Its special warfare unit is the Covert Action Division.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in their first ever open acknowledgement in 2011 in US Court, said that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) sponsors and oversees the insurgency in Kashmir by arming separatist militant groups.[14][15]

>>788229
Open world pvp games all have the same issue. The devs listen to their forums/reddit userbase.

I miss Firefall
I miss Wakfu
I miss Dofus
I wish Archeage was better
Tibia is meh
Albion is zerg heavy
APB is dead/filled with cheaters still prolly
Tera is dead/I played the shit out of it
Everquest is Dead
Vanilla WoW im pretty burned out on kinda
Haven and Hearth isnt fun solo
Division wasnt open world pvp like the original E3 trailer lied about
Guildwars 2 wasnt what they originally said
ESO is limited to a small area
...Im sure i could go on, ugh...

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>>974811
Forgot picrel

>>974811
>Haven and Hearth isnt fun solo
Does this still make you play for 23 hours a day or autolose to Russians?

>>974815
I havent played in a while, my IRL friends played with me then suddenly a few of them had work projects/other shit and they all slowed down in unison except for me and 1 other, so when him/I slowed down, solo was just boring

>>974362
JIZZLON DOWN
HE'S GONNA KILL HIMSELF FROM DEPRESSION HE RETRACTED THE STRIKE AND STARTED CRYING THAT PEOPLE SENT HIM DEATH THREATS
WHAT A FUCKING PUSSY

>>972254
the graphics are getting outdated kek. What's surprising is the number of views, 100k+ in 3 days is a lot
who are these viewers?

>>972254
hmm...the freeholds are cool, but they honestly seem way to taxing to obtain, maintain, and upgrade for how volatile they seem to be. If I spent dozens if not hundreds of hours working on my freehold and a siege downgraded my node and something happened to my freehold or I lost it completely I would just quit the game...thankfully, with the information ahead of time I know not to try getting one lol

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/55836/show-me-what-fun-pvp-looks-like

>show me what fun pvp looks like
>no one can provide a single real example

>>975760
>show me what fun pvp looks like
being ganked by Steve's ISI funded twink mafia

>>848205
>laughs in multibox frig blob

>>974812
In WW2, the military higher ups were shown diagrams of planes and where they had been shot upon returning from a mission. They studied them, noticed a pattern (the planes were being shot in the same places) and concluded the designs needed additional armor in those places.
They were wrong. They had been victims of survivor bias, because the only planes making it back had NOT been shot down.

I imagine for devs, a similar thing is happening with complaints.

>>975859
What exactly are you trying to say?

>>861160
>NEET Eve PVP god (or at least was when the game wasn't yet ruined by Korean MTX BS and years of neglect by retarded Iceland niggers
You were so close to getting it.

>>975880
he's delusional and trying to justify the gold spent on the game

>>975880
>>976037
I assume he's trying to say that you only hear people bitching about open world pvp games, because they're the only ones players enjoy for long enough to be remembered

Or you can correct me if im way off

>>976464
you may be right I didn't read any of it
just wanted to insult him

>>975880
That the devs are only hearing from the people who are complaining. It sounds stupid, but basically the people who are enjoying the game arent complaining, so the devs are experiencing survivor bias in the complaints.... They are making poor decisions because they are missinterpreting the data.

If i was a dev and all i was hearing were people bitching that they hate pvp, i would need to draw the opposite conclusion.... Because the groaners are the vocal minority, abd the pvp is spot on for most people.

ALBION OFFLINE

>>976550
Ok that's dumb as fuck.

>stevens brother lives in vegas, really should have moved the studio to vegas

>@reviewani6253 no , the corporate laws work to the benefit of all companies no taxes ( or very little at best ) , massive tax breaks also LLCs and the trust laws here are amazing, and office space isnt really bad when it comes to price per sq foot , also his brother BTW is like king of shopify stores. his bro lives on the strip , in a very very expensive condo , city center , ill say this, very nice family , and they always tips nice .,

Interesting.

Leaving the whole freehold situation aside, and speaking as a guild leader of a large competitive guild of over 1600 members;

We often see conversations here that come from both casual and hardcore players but most often than not, they reflect worst-case scenarios of both sides, both of toxic guilds, griefers, as well as lazy or entitled solo players and are simply not reflective of an MMO's community overall.

Yes, there are toxic players, griefers, and guilds that enjoy dominating and pushing away casual players because they feel superior - and there are also casual players who want to get everything without having to actually play the game, and want large groups of players to be punished by a game's design, but this is not reflective at all of the 2 groups of players.

My guild for instance, and many, many other large guilds getting ready for AoC, want to compete for the highest objectives, my particular goal is to compete for a castle - and in a game like AoC, it would be very stupid to not look after the casual playerbase in our castle's region - by game design, we will be protecting casual players in our Region - and attacking players from Other regions - the same will happen with guilds in these other regions.

I feel confident enough to say that most likely, the most successful Large Guilds in AoC will be the ones that actually understand that without support from the casual players in your region, you will not stay at the top for too long.

>>977129

This, of course, applies to freeholds as well, if a big guild is trying to dominate their region's economy getting all the freeholds they possibly can even tho it is not a necessity why should players in those regions support them? and why would the other big guilds not fight back? this makes no sense - and this is why conversations about these particular systems also don't make any sense

and even for the largest guilds, it is absolutely ludicrous to think there will be +1000 or +2000 player guilds that are Only made of hardcore players that play 12h a day, desu I don't think there will even be 2000 hardcore players in any server, usually the biggest guilds have a core for a few hundred HC players and the rest are *dedicated players that play for 3 to 4 hours a day, making them what most consider as a "casual". This is the case even in the most hardcore games like EVE, ARK or Mortal Online.

AoC will be a game where politics is involved, and the best, biggest guilds that will "be in charge" won't be the guilds that push away casual players, those won't remain in charge for too long - and probably guilds that do that will probably be the smaller to medium "pk" or "red" guilds that will be constantly being put in their place by the top dogs.

Remember, to hold the castle, there are weekly events that require support from other players in your region, there will be mayors that do not necessarily belong to your guild, and there will be world events and content that require good relations with other players, there's also guild drama which is responsible for 90% of guilds failing, and most often than not affects these guilds that are hated by their server even more.

So I'd like to leave this message to reassure the casual players reading through these discussions, don't worry, you will be protected and you will be a valuable member of your node and community, and the best guilds on your server will make sure of it.

>>976675
this is what happens when midwits try to use survivorship bias lol

>>977131
>dedicated players that play for 3 to 4 hours a day, making them what most consider as a "casual"
That's not a casual player. They might still be too lazy or shit at the game to be considered hardcore, but they aren't casual. Casuals play a lot less than that.

The midcore players you describe are usually the ones fluffing up numbers so it's important to keep them happy. I'm not convinced AoC will.

>>977129
>many, many other large guilds getting ready for AoC,
>many, many
Lmfao

this game doesn't looks like a 2027 game, its dead even before arival

>>978136
It's true, it's all the Archeage Discord zergs that no human being wants to be around.

i don't mind the dated graphics desu, but i know that it'll be a dealbreaker for a lot of people when this game eventually releases and graphics are even better than they are now
i respect sharif for actually developing the game though, a lot of those big promises he made are actually beginning to take shape
still feels too little too late though

>>977129
>t would be very stupid to not look after the casual playerbase in our castle's region
Hey just like every survival game I ever played.
Wait, no, now I remember. What always happens is get absorbed or die with a mix of a little slavery.

>>979971
extorting players by coercing them into slavery under the threat of having their base destroyed is pretty kino desu

>>979993
If faced with having to devote 10 hours a day to some guilds goal or just whining then leaving the game most casuals will just choose to play something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrjiAHZJT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrjiAHZJT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrjiAHZJT4

>>980146
Just get together and enslave them instead idiot?

>>980146
and they do play something else. survival games are not meant for casuals outside of private coop play, they are insane social experiments that result from taking the logical maxims of seeing a "hardcore" game come to fruition where losses and time dedication to play are massive and the world with your character in it exists independently of you playing it. you can think of it as the ultimate answer to poopsocking pvpmmo gameplay: yes you CAN play a game like this, but do you want to?

It is the successor of Archeage, Lineage 2 and even New World. Of course, it is not going to be "Casual friendly" at all.

If you are toxic, if you are hardcore no life jobless person or very rich person in real life by having lots of free time, if you are spend tens of thousands Dollars by buying illegal gold to have the best gear in the game as soon as possible and if you are in a guild with the same mentality then you will be one of the %10 percent that will enjoy the every end game content of the game. Otherwise, this game is not going to be casual friendly... That %90 of the players even cannot experience any castle sieges, similar to other mmorpgs!!! Casual players will quit the game and the game will turn into dead; but developers will not care because they have this %10 loyal players that will never quit because thy dominate the end game content for themself. Rest of the players and guilds will never fight against them...

This happened in Archeage, Lineage 2 and even at New World. Ashes of Creation will require lots of real life to make progress that will force you to play everyday for 8 hours minimum to do farming and do in game contents...

>>982224
So it's another MMO that's going to die a slow death because it doesn't understand how much the scope of video games has changed.

>>982224
It's funny as a lot of the pvp focused games go in without understanding how much the hardcore pvp fans will try and make other people quit the game. Like even if there is penalties as long as it's possible to grief new players, they will do it until it kills the game.

>>982735
Literally Steven the creator of this game did it on AA with his guild, so what exactly is he expecting to happen here?

>>982743
I hadn't heard about this. Any writeups on it?

>>982743
LMAO
>Sharif made a fortune at a young age thanks to selling nutritional drinks and eventually became involved with XanGo, a well-known multi-level marketing company
Imagine giving this guy fucking money without seeing the goods. I'd still like to see about him playing a seal clubbing guild in AA

>>788229

kekstarter has mainly been used as a scam platform. unity and unreal dev kits, plug and play, marketplace scripts.

Just take one look at OP's jpg. It's obviously unreal copy and paste scripts.

>>982640

> So it's another MMO that's going to die a slow death

it's a kekstarter mmo promise using the unreal engine and obvious copy and paste objects... did you really?

>>982749
>I hadn't heard about this. Any writeups on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtcpyxYiW-0

Steven Sharif = Sorcerer, you can see he was still playing as Sorc and RMTing as recently as 2 years ago, got banned then too.

https://podbay.fm/p/capsized-an-archeage-podcast/e/1414883855

Here's a podcast about him from old Archeage in 2014.

>People on our server, Kyrios, seem to really hate The White Order. And Gank Bus. And anyone big enough to be a problem. Sorcerer has always been a big RMT’er, but at least in ArcheAge, thats not against the rules if done using APEX. There’s a 9 page post on the forums where people are speculating Sorcerer’s morality. People are actually saying that he infiltrated their guild to break it up from the inside, thus increasing his numbers. There are also claims in this thread that he was banned from Lineage 2 for e-raping a character. Sorcerer denies this. It’s as if he’s a Mini-Mittani. I dug around a little bit and it looks like SharifTheWhite, clan leader of TheWhiteOrder in Lineage 2 was in fact banned for some reason. Some alleged that SharifTheWhite used bots, as did many in his clan. In any case he seemed to be quite hated by a number of people. There is a video on youtube from alpha of a character in The White Order guild named SharifTheWhite being kidnapped. Does this mean that SharifTheWhite and Sorcerer are the same guy? In the video Sharif was AFK fishing and someone on the video commented that AFK fishing is “…considered botting by most of the community”. Is it really?

Claims there won't be RMT in his game btw lmfao.

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>>982888
Holy shit this is even funnier than I expected.

https://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/2th10d/lazycorp_llc_kyrios_proposal_for_the_white_order/
https://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/6mjljj/the_white_order_gets_roasted_on_live_tv/
https://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/2z64sb/general_assembly_vs_white_order_strike_force/
https://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/5msnp4/the_white_order_fs_vengeance_castle_claiming/
https://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/617bl5/the_right_and_honorable_sorcerer_breaking_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/6k768a/disaster_getting_called_out_disband_inc_the_gods/
https://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/2xqs07/how_to_buy_a_castle_aranzeb/

And so on, just look up Sorcerer and The White Order, this is all true too >>949393 >>945916

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/409358/#Comment_409358

lol this naive retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch2EZ96-l34

>>984228
who the fuck is this fag? You should feel bad for posting that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwpWmmIq2cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwpWmmIq2cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwpWmmIq2cg
AMAZING NEW UPDATE FROM /ourgirl/ LACE AND MAD CHAD KAOS

>>985789
>50 minutes
not watching that

>>985837
You should, she's very hot and smart.

>>985839
>watching a bunch of delusional and probably in need of psychiatric help people deceive themselves about a game that will take years and years to see the light of the day
it's just not worth my time bro

>>982888
I played on Kyrios and it was awful. I switched servers and the same thing was across every server. People swiped to gain an advantage. A girl in my guild spend over $2,000 USD on her gear. I don't recall the exact value but it's 2k minimum.

>>985867
>it's just not worth my time bro
This. Don't fall for video shills posts

>>985907
>>985867
Stop whining and watch nerd.

>>985789
Is it true this guy is a cuck?

>>986675
It's a kink not a character trait incel, he can still kick your pasty nerdy white ass.

>>788229
holy fuck this thread is 7 months old

>>987580
a-Alive board! *coughs blood*

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/410633/#Comment_410633

LMFAO

>>Steven Shariff is not a game developer.

>He has 6 years of experience as a creative director and 2 years experience as a lead game designer, plus all the different hats at Intrepid

>It's like opening a bakery shop, making bread for 6 years and a random customer saying you ain't a baker because you don't have previous experience :|

This nigga been eatin invisible bread for 6 years LOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL

who's the worst fraud? this guy or the star citizen fatty?