Visual Novel General #5843This general is for the discussion of English-translated Japanese visual novels.All posting of untranslated visual novels belongs on >>>/jp/E-celeb shitposting is not allowed.Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.>Having trouble with your VN? Try the following before you ask for tech support:1. Be in Japanese locale2. Read the Readme3. Check this https://rentry.org/4chan-vn-help4. Copy error messages with CTRL+C and paste them with CTRL+V into DeepL5. Google it>FAQs, Recommendations, and Other Useful Things:https://chartanon.github.io/moechart/https://files.catbox.moe/j3dd0n.pnghttps://github.com/marisukukise/japReader>Need a novel with a specific element?https://vndb.org/g>Download Links:https://rentry.org/4chan-vn-linksPrevious thread: >>431314934
Umineko.
Read her VN.
Recent JOPge releases:>RE:D Cherish! -Eternity Blood-http://crystalia.amusecraft.com/red_eb/>Da Capo 5https://circus-co.jp/product/dc5/>Sakura no Tokihttps://www.makura-soft.com/sakuranotoki/>Koi ni wa Amae ga Hitsuyou Desuhttp://www.hook-net.jp/koiama/>Soap Land no Hasshaku-samahttp://www.hendingerg.com/products/hassyakusama/>Grisaia: Chronos Rebellionhttps://gri-chro.grisaia-pt.com/>Amakano 2+http://azarashi-soft.nexton-net.jp/amakano2-plus/>TenshiSouzou RE-BOOT!https://www.yuzu-soft.com/products/ten_sz/>AMBITIOUS MISSION After Episode 1 (6/30 for episode 2)https://sagapla.net/works/ambitious_after/>Criminal Border: 2nd offencehttps://www.purplesoftware.jp/products/criminalborder/2nd.html>Hapymaher - REGRET ENDhttps://www.purplesoftware.jp/products/hapymaher-re/>WANNABECREATORShttps://app.candysoft.jp/products/dessertsoft/wannabeUpcoming JOPge releases:>Mashiro-iro Symphony SANA EDITION (6/23)https://palette.clearrave.co.jp/product/mashiro-project/sana/>Otome no Ken to Himegoto Concerto (6/30)http://www.ensemble-game.com/29.otohime/special_campaign_early.html>Happy Live Show Up: Encore! (6/30)http://www.favo-soft.jp/soft/product/happylive_showup_encore/>Haruka Ao no Hanayome ni (7/28)http://www.lumpofsugar.co.jp/product/haruyome/>Ore no Hitomi de Maruhadaka! Fukachi na Mirai to Misukasu Vision (7/28)http://hulotte.jp/product/vision/>Toraware no Anata ga Yumemiru Shiawase (8/25)http://nexton-net.jp/ms-toybox/darkone/torawase/>Bishoujo Mangekyou Ibun - Yuki Onna (8/25)http://www.omega-star.jp/ibun_brandnew.html>Sore wa Maichiru Sakura no You ni -Re:BIRTH- (9/29)https://project-navel.com/sorechiru/index.html>Koibana Renai (9/29)https://www.asa-pro.com/koibana/>Imouto to Kanojo (10/27)http://www.waffle1999.com/game/101imoutokanojo/promotion/>Harem x Shangri-Lahttp://hadashi.product.co.jp/shangrila/>Kokubyaku no Avestahttps://fantia.jp/fanclubs/30803
>>431360000based JOPGOD
Reminder that Majiamigos run this general
>>431360000How are we feeling, Yakuzabros?
>>431360349I want to fuck loli Yazukaslut.
>>431360303literally NRT
>>431360349Disappointed that there is no NTR yetI’m starting to think… it might not be an NTRge
>>431360000glorious JOPquads
>>431360000>quadsJOPs just keep getting away with it
>>431360469The story has yet to reach it’s climax, trust the plan.
>>431360000
I've never been super into VNs, but I'm looking to try some less mainstream ones. Over the years, I've played>Hashihime of the old Book Town which was fucking great and extremely gay>Narcissu, which gave me a new perspective on suicide>Cripple Fucking Sim 2012 (Rin best girl, no clue how I didn't develop a foot fetish from her)>Saya no Uta, which I was in full edgelord mode looking for fucked up stuff at the time, and it definitely fit the billShould I just try another titan of the genre like muv-luv or something? I had a friend recommend Kara no Shoujo too.
>>431360469We told you girls with pubes were always 100% pure bro...
VNs for this feeling?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFDmetc59k
AionBionCionDionEionFionGionHionIonJionKionLionMionNionOhionPionQionRionShionTionUionVionWionXionYionZion
Have a great weekend/vn/ friends!>>431360686Any specific genre you are looking for?Muv Luv is great but the entire series is quite long if you don't mind length
>>431360686>Rin best girlI see another man of great taste.Kara no Shoujo is another great read for any mysterylover, and ironically features a best girl quite like Rin in some regards as well.
>>431360686Kara no Shoujo is great. Try it out.
>>431360841Holy Sonozaki milkers.
>>431359874Cafe Stella
>>431360841I don't trust people who read Higurashi and don't end up loving Shion.
any vn like this? it's my favorite ln
been playing various nukige to practice Japanese with. But for some reason wannabe wont run, despite earlier dessertsoft titles working. No errors or anything, just loads stop loading a few seconds later. And it even runs fine on my laptop. I really have no idea why this is.
>>431361293Check the forums.
>>431360686Kara no Shoujo is good but can be very messy. If you're not thinking really hard you can lock yourself into bad ends very easily. Its sequel is nearly perfect but its threequel is in JOP purgatory.
>>431361293Are you Windows 7?
>>431360950
>>431361673>If you're not thinking really hard you can lock yourself into bad ends very easilyPersonally I've found it very hard to reach most of the bad endings without a guide aside from the obvious one at the midpoint. The story is pretty straight forward, and most mystery sections literally don't let you make wrong choices.
>>431360950>>431360961>>431361008>>431361673Looks like KnS is the one. Apparently it's fully voice acted? Shit, this is high quality. You're right anons, I have a huge weakness for mystery movies. I even like whodunnits like all the Agatha Christie remakes and the Knives Out movies, I don't even care if it means I have objectively shit taste.
>>431361452what forums?>>431361702win10 on both lap and destop
I use a walkthrough even when I'm reading moege.
>>431362029Like anime-sharing where the torrents are posted to see if anything posted about running across the same issue. Also check the official website for the game to see if there is a patch,
>>431361950>Apparently it's fully voice acted?Yes it is, but you'll have to get the "FULL VOICE HD SIZE EDITION". Also, if you like mystery novels, Umineko no Naku Koro ni is a must-read in this medium.
Kino ending CG for Criminal Border.A lot better than the first and more consistent quality throughout. Hope the last 2 surpass this as well
>>431362404>4 guys standing next to each other>"""kino CG"""
>>431362491Yes.
>>431361867It's been some time since I read the first one but I remember there being evidence locked away in blind map exploration.>and most mystery sections literally don't let you make wrong choicesYou probably played the new version then. In the original one you had a limited number of selections before the deductions were over.
>>431360686just read SubaHibib, trust me
TITS!!!!!I FUCKING LOVE TITSWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>431362642Me except flat chests
>>431362574Oh yeah, I read the HD remaster. Nene's corpse took me an eternity to fully explore due to one tiny, impossibly well hidden clickable portion. If I'd have to do this with a time limit, I'd never managed to get past her.
>>431362707based homo
>>431362642yakuza tits
>>431362931What are you talking about, homos like big tits too
>>431360686Do you like cute girls? Do you like yuri? Do you like mystery?If yes, I have just the VN for you.
>>431362797kek i remember that one, had to look up videos for it
Started playing Silver Case, how exactly was I supposed to solve the first puzzle? I sort of accidentally hit the auto solve button while testing what each button in the interface did.
>>431361950You would definitely want to read Umineko at some point then given how familiar you are with the genre but you can't go wrong with either choice. >>431362797I need to read the HD versions sometime but since the third game isn't being translated I don't really care to replace the voice I have for Reiji in my head right now. Suwabe is too good. And while I did like the first game given the option I'd replay the second over it any day.
>>431363230I like yuri sex too.
>>431363446Flowers it is, then. It's by the same studio as Kara no Shoujo, by the way.
>>431363230Yeah, yuri is good too, even if the characters are utterly retarded for the sake of dragging out drama for extreme lengths of time. At least with BL things happen quickly.
>>431363395>since the third game isn't being translated I don't really care to replace the voice I have for Reiji in my head right now. Suwabe is too goodWhat, did Reiji get a new VA? Who's Suwabe?
>>431362491Yes, you kinoless retard
>>431363749Yeah, his voice actor got replaced for the third game. I was upset about it at first but it seems moot considering 3 is going to remain JOPge for the distant future.>Who's Suwabehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFA4AI7KZvQ
>>431362491Doesn't get more kino than that.
>>431360686>HashihimeIf you're okay with reading BL I would recommend Slow Damage or Dramatical Murder
>>431363749>Who's Suwabe?
>>431364223fabled that
>>431364107>no ShouShit list.
>>431364107
>>431364107Replacing Reiji's iconic voice... sacrilege.But according to vndb he already was voiced by Suwata in the second episode?>Redman is Space DandyNow THERE'S a surprise.
lol why did they bother translating this shitshould have stuck to VNs
>>431362170I had to double check and can say for sure nobody there has mentioned having any troubles running it. regardless, I think I'll suck it up and just use my laptop. sucks, but what can you do
>>431362491Kino every time
>>431364891Did you try reinstalling? Or maybe choosing a different install destination?
>>4313648343 peak isn't bad
>>431364834go all-ages get bocoited
Has a heroine ever been ruined for you by a poster before?
>>431365352Yes. Karen.
>>431365059reinstalling yeah. But not tried a different location. I usually save them in a folder is not on C. I guess I could try installing it to the default selected location
>>431365352Karen.
>>431365352Karen
>>431359997
>>431365352Sakura was already worst girl but the wormfag on /a/ ruined her even worse than Shinji did
>>431359890>Al Azif/Kinobane OPBased
>>431365352Every time another anon posts a heroine I liked, I have to ban her out of my thoughts forever as she has been damaged and dirtied by another man.
>>431365887This.This also applies to games I haven't read too.
>>431365352I once got a nightmare where Sachiko Shinozaki raped me then possessed my body and forced me to fuck other girls/. Normally I'd be over it but every time anons post her it just reopens the wound.
>>431365352Kohaku from Tsukihime. But it was by twittertroons and /v/fags
Me and my pure wife
>>431366896Gilgamesh coaster.
>>431366601Wait doesn’t she get tortured/raped?
Nearing the end of my first route with these three, as I now have the final game to play. Interesting that both Clyde and Devon have already made a wish and it's been nice having some big overarching plot reveals early like the game looping until everyone wins once.Obligatory list:Recent multi-route EVNs on Steam over the past few years:>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1249260/Birth_ME_Code/ >https://store.steampowered.com/app/1228600/Blankspace/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1414250/CORPSE_FACTORY/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1568920/Clean_Slate/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1820720/The_Divine_Deception/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2011310/Entropic_Float_This_World_Will_Decay_And_Disappear/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2058090/The_Game_of_Fourtune/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1338940/Head_AS_Code/ (remake)>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1349820/The_Lost_Delinquents_of_Rollings_High/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1271300/Methods_The_Detective_Competition/ >https://store.steampowered.com/app/1020030/Quantum_Suicide/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1940040/The_Price_Of_Flesh>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1432500/The_Sekimeiya_Spun_Glass/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1513120/The_Zodiac_Trial/Upcoming multi-route EVNs on Steam:>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1728290/Decide_4_God/ (finale to the Abime series)>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1041270/Exogenesis_Perils_of_Rebirth/ (never ever)>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1769980/Mask_of_the_Rose/ (Fallen London universe)>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2091580/SYNESTHESIA/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1287170/Thiefs_Roulette/ >https://store.steampowered.com/app/1929350/Ubel/>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2385550/Underground22/
>>431367268Yes, but she keeps getting involved with the main cast after that because she loves sex way too much
>>431364981>>431362404>>431364008>name my band
When will the loli route drought end?
>>431367583Who raped her, the MC?
>>431368089When you swallow the JOP pill.
>>431367525based
>>431366943
>>431368207No, MC is disgusted by whores. 2 background characters fuck her off-screen.
This might not be the place to ask, and if it's not, I apologize. I've been thinking of doing a VN myself - I've got the staff and funding in place. However, I only ever played H VNs back in the day, and I'm constantly struggling to think about the kinds of things people look for in their games as well as just how much customizability with routes people usually enjoy.Do you guys have any reccomendations for people who are trying to dip their toes in the genre? I did look at the chart in the OP and I'm looking at some of those to begin with, but I'm just curious with how people that play these games overall feel about things. It wasn't supposed to be strictly hentai to begin with, but fanservice-y, and with lots of comedy, but not sure just how much the storylines proper carry the genre forward. I've seen lots of neat for the Saturn on Niconico and such, but I'm out of my depth here.Thanks in advance.
>JOBgameshLost to KiritsuguLost to SaberLost to ShirouSaid he would lose to HeraclesLost to Sakura
>>431366386>that VN
>>431368625>Do you guys have any reccomendations for people who are trying to dip their toes in the genre?Don't. Dying medium.
>>431368625>This might not be the place to askIt isn't. This is shitpost general.
>>431368625You need to decide on the setting first that would help a lot in deciding where to go
>>431369248This is like that ability Gaara has with his sand to block all threats automatically except the threats this time are to your virginity.
>>431369332The setting's pretty much decided, it's only about the execution to try to feel as much of a visual novel as possible. We're first timers so we're gonna get stuff wrong, sure, but research always helps.
>>431367762The Border of Criminals
>>431368625I hate to say it, but if you have a staff to worry about, I'd agree with this anon here >>431368868Not so sure that the medium is dying, but with the advent of AI, the price/length is gonna be way down, even from where it is now. Tenable for an indie, but if you're running an actual, multi-person studio, I wouldn't risk it.Just... do your market research, make sure you have realistic figures of who you're even selling to... Steam probably has stats on that, though I'm sure you know more than me.I hear that most VNs have to publish with CN translations these days, cause the English market is so small, and the Japanese one long since saturated. Also, I know this sucks to hear, but you're gonna have a strike or two against you ("EVN", all ages) in the eyes of people here. The latter might benefit you in potential market size, but the former is gonna be a stain, simply cause EVNs are largely HCG shovelware or have an ideological bent (anglosphere culture war shit.)That said, if you decide to anyway, for the love of god don't set it in a fucking cafe...
>>431368625Not Japanese, don't do it.
I love oppai lolis, especially Yuki!
>>431369492The biggest issue with western vns is dialogue and thats something only time and practice can deal with
>>431370081No, it's just two/three people tops. This isn't a money sink. Hell, it's more of an attempt to get a concept off the shelf, so profits aren't even a chief worry at the moment (everything is so embrionary at this point that if we think it's worth it to 'get the word out', depending on the reach of VNs, that we might do a free release, if anything to start out, and then maybe we can release the usual polished up version for Steam).(And no, it isn't about a cafe. It's basically about cyborg tribes where the focus is more on the characters themselves than the setting, mostly dealing with comedy and fighting.)
Has a poster made you like a certain heroine more?
>>431370556No
>>431370556bernchad
>>431369403lmao
>>431365337Pretty sure it isn't even their fault it's all ages. The dev requested it if I remember right and then even took the porn out of the Japanese release of the game. I guess the dev thought this was his big chance to hit mainstream and it failed hard.
>>431370973>t. bernschizo
>>431370297I think I can pinpoint some pretty telling differences between Japanese and western scripts overall, so if you have any examples of what you consider pretty grievous in western VN writing, I'd sure like to take a look.
>>431370556karenchad
>>431371301>t. cuckschizo
>>431370556Nah, and anyone naming said girl is probably the shitposter.
>>431371584No waifufag would name himself in the face of such obvious bait.
>>431370556Karen
I love Kuon the most!
>>431370973bernchad? my HERO!
>>431371914But he has a penis ..
>>431365352>>431371914
>>431372325Don’t lie, kuon was never a good heroine.
>>431370451>post-modern cyborg chuunigekinoBut seriously, I'd give it a read.>depending on the reach of VNsoofLast dev I "spoke" with said something about it being limited to 10-15k possible buyers in English (though his was less VN and more anime-styled 2D, which tends to get lumped in by western markets)... but if you take HGB (not bad, very polished) as an example (https://steamdb.info/app/1009460/charts/) and integrate the "online players" and divide by playthrough time (let's the the average joe takes 3 days to read and...)>went autismo, see picrel for my back of the napkin math. Seems wrong imo, so I'm sure other anons will have better ideas.Cause seriously, 2k-ish consistent VN purchases seems super low.>t. has a half-written VN sitting around that I paused, cause I realized I would spend years writing it and get like 15k unless I TL'd for overseas markets, which requires 30-60k for a larger VN
>>431373823Hey, thanks for all this info and analysis, man. Went above and beyond, I really was just expecting to go out there and do it myself. As for Steamdb, as someone who has a little indie title forgotten on the shelves there, I have bad news concering these metrics: they tend to be blown up to high hell.I don't remember now if it was Steamdb or Steamspy, though, but I do remember one site I was told to keep tabs on how my stuff was doing pretty much quadrupled the sales from how the estimates portrayed it. Now, this was around 8 years ago, so they could've surely picked up their pace, but I've also heard similar talks of things like Socialblade grossly misrepresenting Youtube revenue, so that's also something to keep in mind.The game I released didn't really go anywhere, so my expectations are well and tempered (and also a considerable part of why I want to probe the field as much as I can before commiting to anything). It's why we might even just go free to see how well things might (or might not) play out overall.As for your own VN, at least from my own end, I always see things as just playing according to your expectations. Like, if you do think it might make 15k at best, maybe downsize the scope of the story and plan for the asset creation and usage to match in a way where 15k can be taken as a pretty good haul.
>>431359890Bro, I can see the nipplerinos...
What JOPge are you reading
I wish my favorite EVN series made anywhere close to 15k.
>>431368625Depends on what crowd you wanna target. You want the "I just wanna interact with cute girls" crowd? The "I just want cool anime shit" crowd" The "I want weird/fucked up shit" crowd? The "I want porn" crowd? The "I want a good story that doesn't really feel like most VNs" crowd? The "I don't read VNs but if it has buzz and a unique concept I'll read it" crowd? The "I like ironic self mocking VNs" crowd? The "I want tranny/tumblr elements" crowd?
>>431360950You too Mei bro!!
>>431376903This. You need any form of sex/nudity to sell. If you make a story that focuses on the story you will not profit at all.
>>431370556Kuon
>>431376903Cute girls/cool anime shit/good story (if that much)/porn (tangentially) are the biggest ones. It's mostly about escapism/just having fun.>>431377181Pretty fanservice-y angles would be fine.
>>431374503No worries fren, I did it for myself anyway, though I'm not sure if I wanted to encourage myself or not lmaoNot sure how the big sites do their purchase estimates, I just took the raw player data and estimated based on <black magic and duct tape, see below>- normal guys play 1 or 2 routes- 1/10 might leave it on overnight, in the background- I took 9 days to play all routes, so say normal guys play for 4 to do their 2-ish- Some guys drop it, other guys go for completion- a couple leave it on overnightThen adjusted it for what I saw for my steam friends ("observed" N=4+1 , so very VERY rough correction factor)My own estimate was 4 days, correcting took it to 3, which is why I said my estimate is generous.(Also, "play time (days)" should be rephrased "days played", didn't realize the ambiguity till I double-checked)Anyway, best of luck, just thought you should know how (un)reliable my math probably is. If you do end up pulling it off, drop a link here-- don't worry, even if they call you an EVNfag, I'll still read it.Mind if I ask, is your plan to release a short (30k +-10k words) VN?(for comparison, Saya no Uta was 80k, most 20hr VNs are ~200k)I'm not sure how useful that will be to correctly gauge the market... Might be enough to pull off a single heroine, but if you try to do a full four-course, you might end up with Girls x3, where you know the heroines more by archetype than established personality. Anyway, serious VN readers won't go for a story like that unless it's focused and plot driven (thriller, mystery, "short story" drama) since we're expecting "GenericHeroine( id=12598, archetype=oneesan, hair=pink)", and all that's left to appeal to is our coomer side (a la >>431377181)Also, I should mention that a chunk of anime-style Indie devs have taken to saying "Remember- Fan service is customer service!"Not saying it's good or bad, it just be how it be
>>431377630>Pretty fanservice-y angles would be fineReally if your chicks are fucking sexy enough, you can coast on that. But that's hard to do, especially for someone not of the fabled nipponese bloodline
>>431377827>archetype=oneesan, hair=pinkthis combination never happens...
>>431377890EVNs feature an anime style and gain /any/ form of attention or they feature a realistic style and stay largely ignored.
>>431376492Criminal Border
Tfw I gotta sneeze but it won't come out
>>431379324Why are you literally me?
>>431377827Thanks even more for the extra info man. I think you can see just how green I at this when I hadn't even considered the length of the VN as far as word length goes - and that's literally the biggest currency in such a project, so that's something I need to screw my head around on to pronto.I guess it'd probably end up as a short VN. Although I was always curious about the genre I've mostly played non-VN games for most of my life, so I don't know if I could bring some different sensibilites to it overall. Since it was basically a "meet this cast/setting" story, and since it was mostly comedy/fighting based, I even thought of it being like a story where the player is provided a "level select" of sorts, and then depending how you play each first 'level' you selected could trickle down with different effects for subsequent ones. I might be wildly off my game, but bringing it up with some people I know did put some VNs out there, they said that sounded a little uncommon.It's also most of an all-girls cast (though there are men, of course) and I can't lie that I've even thought about marketing prospects to begin with (Japan always does self inserts for a reason). But since I'm just trying to see where this takes me, I'd take the risk. Either way, I was figuring this might help flesh all of the girls more, could also help if overt sex appeal isn't a thing.>Also, I should mention that a chunk of anime-style Indie devs have taken to saying "Remember- Fan service is customer service!"Sex sells. I doubt it will never not sell. I can see the criticisms, sure. But to me that ends up going dangerously close to the whole moral panic when slashers were all the rage for movies. People talked as if we were about to see a deluge of murderers or something, and while there ARE bad eggs that were wired wrong that took that message from the films, I don't think the answer for mental health lies in censorship.>>431378395Maybe not in VNs, but there's this in a gacha.
I know you guys missed me, but it's ok. I took my nap and got my work stuff done, I can blogpost plenty again today. I'll have roughly 17 hours today, minus time for breaks of course :)>>431353982Oh interesting, your 1st route is one I haven't done yet. You mentioned the little SFX in an earlier reply, I think the beeps correlate to right/wrong yeah. Not 100% on it since I lowered their volume and sort of filter them out mentally, but the beeps are used for emotions for sure and I'm pretty sure the ones after a question are to indicate right/wrong.>>431354137It's funny you mention the glass meme, I haven't gotten that CG but I know one in the gallery is labelled [Glass Her] or something so they're aware of the reference.>it's been nice having some big overarching plot reveals earlyAh based you got there. I avoided mentioning it just because I figured you'd pick it up and I think that twist works so much better if you aren't aware of it the 1st route. That "part of the game" is especially good imo, it's a big jigsaw puzzle and it only really takes 2 or 3 routes to get enough solid pieces to start grasping a bigger picture, because you'll naturally get an idea of what the other pieces might be due to the pre-finale scorecard on the wall, and just listening to what people say and watching how they act
>>431379978oops forgot to reply to >>431367525also >EVNsbased
>>431380527why is his shirt vacuum sealed
>>431380590Why isn't yours?
>>431378395Sure, the plot impetus was retarded, but it's not like we gotta pretend it doesn't exist, right? >>431374503btw, thanks for the advice. Profit/loss was never a concern, since I learned to draw, work as an engineer (embedded, so code), and got a creative writing side-major... It was more a factor of reach/risk and opportunity cost. My VN was a darker historical-fantasy chuunige with a fairly serious story, so it was always gonna be a home run or a miss. If I spend another 2 years writing a 400k novel (par for similar VNs, 90k+all prep took 1 year), but all I get is 100 purchases, 50 who play it through, and 10 reviews with the most upvoted being "good heroines, but the main character sucked", well...I don't care how well-adjusted you are, that's gonna be a critical hit to the ego. Though if you have any advice on getting around that, I'd be interested>>431379556Could be cool, but also ambitious. Authors (I'm assuming you're one?) really don't "get" the exponential complexity from branches until they sit down and start writing out the decision/outcome tree (at least, that was the case for me, hence 80k goal quintupling). If you cheap on it, tho, you're gonna piss a lot of people off (just read reviews, players hate when "my choices didn't matter!", and I feel similar). Older games kinda attempted this (Family Project is one I can think of off the cuff), with mixed results. You might have a lot more leeway if you gam-ify the "level select"/"roster" concept, though it'd have to fit into the story. Just be wary of making entirely new mechanics, most the EVNs that try bomb because of it (Celine, for example).>dangerously close to the whole moral panic ... I don't think . mental health lies in censorship.Oh, I very much agree. What I meant to convey was "if you come out of the gate advertising sex and are EVN, people will pigenhole you for H-shovelware, with all the effects on expectations (horny people don't want plot, not upfront)<char limit lol>
>>431380929I love these cute plumps, too bad theyre going to get gangraped later
>>431380929Cuckqueens? More like CUTEqueens!
>>431380914>esl artdoesn't count
>best girl had the best routeim glad i left her for last, only true route left and im done
>>431380929Have you ever heard of vegetables fatty?
>>431381308All the girls faces in this look fucked up
>>431381452Disgusting.
>>431380929I want to hug a fatass
>>431381609
>>431381302>picrel was kimihime, a cheap JVN?
Scandalous outfit
>>431381649No, not that fatass. He can go die alone
>>431382062Rea sexo
>>431382315cute wife
I'm on a route where I'm playing with Jade and Grant now, Jade is just as autistic as you might guess.
>>431380929>She is currently working with Rin on Papakatsu activities, in order to support herself.Despite her unethical behavior, she is still a virgin and had neven been in a relationship with anyone.>she is still a virginSo she only fucks MC.Boring.
Please turn her down.
>>431382062>>431382315>>431383471Why do I rarely see this girl posted when she's supposedly the best? It's always the dummy who can't read, or Rusalka, or the schizo nazi gods or whatever they are.
Just cuckchadded to G-Senjou.
>>431383582>she's supposedly the best
A M O G U S
Just cupchadded to Motto! Haramase! Honoo no Oppai Chou Ero Appli Gakuen.
>>431383582Rea's not the best, but her route is. Marie is best girl, and Rusalka/Anna best routelet
>evn post>retarded zoomerspeakchecks out
>>431383471>huh, this VN looks pretty cool, I wonder why I don't have it>"enforced playing order"reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>431382062Hot
JC Pregnancy.
>>431383582>the dummy who can't readPretty girls don't need to know how to read
>>431379978Yep, my first couple of choices were to split from Devon and then I was playing a game called Evolution with Everett, Maria, and Richard. Despite all the added route locks due to fan suggestion, I'm surprised important reveals like what we discussed; a number of Digits of Eden stuff like who is affiliated and some identities like one of the four masked being Kishi's grandma; and especially Clyde and Devon admitting feefees, all right off the bat down the first route. I'm about to start playing again so I'll finish this route and go however long until I fall asleep.
This is my favorite DI girl. Very cute but mature loli.
>>431384345Bro same, she has drills to spare. Needed more screen time
>>431384345Always forget about her
>>431384512I should go back and soundpost this
>>431380914>Could be cool, but also ambitious(...)I'd say I'm an author for brevity's sake, although my creative writing was never much of the focus of the things I did for money. Regardless, I think as long as things are reasonably simple ("something you did in a prior level will always help you if you tackle [X] different level later, no matter how later" vs. "there are cumulative changes that happen with each level cleared; every iteration has to create a unique scenario"). Also, googling "Celine visual novel" didn't help much, got a link? Curious to see what they got wrong.>Though if you have any advice on getting around that, I'd be interestedI'd definitely say take this setting you clearly put time and effort into, and think about a way to ease up an introduction into it, do a smaller story (or do something alike, hitting similar notes; downscale the scope if you feel confident enough, etc). Release that and see how much of an audience it grabs, to avoid flying blind. A hit to the ego is always compounded by expectations; as you mentioned, it'd be make or break, odds are.I think handling hits to the ego with creative endeavors always depends on making sure you land a hit SOMEtime. These are terribly overused clichés, but they became such for a reason. It's pretty much "nothing ventured, nothing gained" and just not letting your idea die. There's also the famous Edison quote about "not failing, but finding 1000 ways that didn't work". If you found the way that worked, nothing else matters.And while there is no way to manufacture an audience to your ideas, never underestimate the power of good advertisement. It really might open people up more if they see something that is catchy and speaks to them directly (of course, not failproof. One of my failures was no advertising whatsoever, hoping publishers sending builds around would do it).
>haha dumb moebutas oink oink your vns have no substance>is that a cute nazi girl? holy sexoooootired of this double standard
>>431384650We just want a girl who shares our values
>>431384650dies irae is a moege though
This game is just funny. It's an imposter finding game, where you get instructions on how many times to press a button, and even though you're not the impostor you can choose to lie and then make up excuses like "well I'm just European".>>431384337>I'm surprised important revealsYeah, there's a lot of reveals in the game and they're pretty liberal with lots of them. I'm guessing they only locked routes that spoil major stuff that's technically supposed to be revealed in a different route? Sometimes the way the game foreshadows things is basically just a reveal in itself. I haven't done the route you did, but all of those spoiler tags are things I know in depth from multiple other routes, so they're pretty common knowledge.The ClydexDevon arc is really cute and has some great hidden moments depending on choices you can make mid-games, and jumbling the order up makes the arc all that more interesting
>>431384650kys avatartranny
>>431385017The only good post in this thread
So chunni...>>431383820Thank you for using my edit, I'm always happy to see it since I so rarely see Marie while playing...>>431383965>"enforced playing order"There's a version without it
>>431385147>There's a version without itYou're still advised to go Kasumi -> Kei -> Marie -> Rea tho. Play order is super important with DI
>>431384840My current flowchart. That's good to know then; the redundancy and commonality. I saw the locked routes thing mentioned a few times in patches, and in a review or two. I have one so far. I'm trying to get all the dialogue options and learn tidbits when I can so I'm trying to do all the choices in these games which is eating up some time. I just played an interrogation game which was fairly straightforward.
>>431384650did you learn japanese?
>>431385461i am resuming the process
kinkoi drip!!!!
>>431386465Worst girl, but I do like race queens
Man I'm still early in but I gotta say, the fights in DI are the most boring shit ever (really bad for a chunnige)
>>431385324>I'm trying to get all the dialogue options and learn tidbits when I can so I'm trying to do all the choices in these games which is eating up some timeYeah there are some games where you have tons of permutations. The current game I'm in is one of those with tons of funny variant scenes. At one point you get to decide which of the 4 guys in the room would want to date Bell the most, and Clyde makes up different excuses for all of them, like pic related for Zeph. Pointing to yourself is hilarious too.I would at least try to keep doing all of the "big choices" if you're enjoying it, this game is really good at hiding big content behind them. If you didn't see my earlier comments on it, stuff like choosing which leg of a relay race to run results in completely different content depending on your choice. If you only do one version, the 2nd leg variant is the only one to go deep in a sweet ClydexDevon scene>That's good to know then; the redundancy and commonality.Yeah, especially with the loop there are a lot of things you'll learn basically every route. Like, I think every route has to include the scoreboard of people who already won, which contains a lot of information, and the early wins are confirmed in every route after them of course.
>>431387016There a few kino ones here and there, but the one at the beginning and at the end suck dick
>>431387016Yeah that was my biggest complaint. At least the art and music are good though.
Brocon imoutos are the best!
We are in need of more shadow posts
Which game do I stop reading Grisaia?
We are in need of more wrestling posts
>>431388672The common route of the first
Pffffthahahahaha
>>431384637it's here https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/1398210/?curator_clanid=42861851 "Celine Apoptosis")Anyway, the reason I mention it is that the art was decent, the writing was quite good iirc, but the game was just... incomprehensible. The larger story seemed to just jump around, never really explaining what the cause/effect (or even logical relation), despite each of the scenes being perfectly coherent.Turns out the TV-set that we first saw in a CG got turned interactive at some point, and the author made the "glue" of the story as animated, horror "children's cartoons". Didn't realize that til I got my 3rd ending, tho, and judging by the reviews, not many people did.My idea was "Author has motif/mechanic to make their game unique, doesn't even have to be a bad one, but they overlook some detail and it completely fails to land, tanking the whole story".and I was gonna segway it to>These are terribly overused clichés, but they became such for a reasonbut you beat me to it. Looks like we're on the same page, then.> ease up an introduction into itI'd considered that, the introduction (setting+impetus+minor resolution) works out to be roughly the length of a standard "light" VN, but I'd have to shoehorn a couple "future" character appearances in. Plus, there wouldn't be any H-scenes or even romance yet, which is probably a death sentence for indie VNs desu.Or I could be to re-write the intro so the MC and the first heroine were always romantic, but I'd have to fuck with their characters, since the MC was supposed to be apathetic and the heroine to act like a Victorian-era woman.That'd make the game a ladder-sequence like Amatsutsumi, which was... actually, very well received, despite it not being my cup of tea. Huh... that might actually be the safest route, now that I say it.>never underestimate (a) good advertisementI had considered a couple YT'ers to reach ~500 demo, but I'd be curious if you pulled off a more general-audience ad?
>>431389362>tfw no trap rapege
How many episodes are there in PxH2? I just finished the first episode, and it felt a little too long for my liking.
>>431389362That is fucking disgusting go take your messed up fantasies back to /jp/ you stinky jop
>making a VN>female character with BPD: check
>>431389362>not a 69what is the point of a trapwife(male) then?
>>431388606How about a Sonikku?
>>431389592trap cum is only meant to be consumed by the trap himself or other traps
>>431389362based
>>431389526This is the reaction he was hoping for though. Better to just not acknowledge
Jade set off a ton of early red flags as "the character I would not enjoy" but he's turning out to be alright. I still need to see his full backstory, but if this is the weakest character in The Game Of Fourtune then the cast is really strong. They do a really good job of setting up games that aren't only fun to play, but good at highlighting the flaws and unique traits of each character, and the last game was that for Jade 100%.
I will never read a EVN
babbys first endingnow time for beddy bops :)
>>431384637Anyway, I gotta get some sleep, but I really appreciate the advice, fren.I had kinda talked myself out of it, but writing the intro as a stand-alone single-heroine VN could work, and it's already half done...Good luck on your team's project, sounds like you've got solid direction and some good ideas. Seriously, post it here when you release, ok? (but don't shill, jannies get pissy)Also, a couple things I only thought of now:- might want to ask people's opinion on voiced/unvoiced. Every time a major EVN releases, people here complain that it's unvoiced, but I've also yet to see a single E-voiceover that people liked (ex. "Ravager" on steam, not a strict VN but probably a similar audience, and the voiceover got... mixed reception)- also, here's an EVN that (on steam, at least) outsold HGB, and the author has a history of success. Not sure what it is she does, but I figure more data points never hurts(Sweetest Monster -ebi-hime, sale records here, https://steamdb.info/app/585890/charts/ , comes to ~852 on the same spreadsheet I used, compared to HGB's 642)
being chased by sluts
>>431391351Corpse Factory is the only successful EVN I know of with voice-acting but it has the anime style.
>>431391595>Rich as fuck but still engages in compensated dating because she wants to have sex with as many people as possibleI NEED to fix her...
>>431391691There's also How To Date A Magical Girl!, Love Esquire, Hush Hush, Sucker For Love, and The Letter for a few more.Of those, I'd say Corpse Factory, Love Esquire, Sucker For Love, and The Letter all had really good voice acting. HTDAMG was a bit off at times but not horrible, Hush Hush had a super-meme script and some of the voices aren't very fitting for a full length game, they were inherited from the original clicker game.
>more than half a year until her gameits not fair
>>431392468I can't wait to see her pubes
Bruh Bell is pissed, don't insult her Mario Party clones
>>431392468
>>431392468She looks like she got fatter between episodes
>>431392770She'll be as fat as Hina by the next game thanks to the donuts.
>>431392770A steady diet of donuts will do that.
>>431392770>>431392886>>431392901Please don't get my hopes up...
>>431388683if you insist
>Forcing a mentally unstable girl on the verge of a breakdown to have sex with youWhat the fuck, that's criminal... I don't want to cross that border bros...
>>431393157Will this be your 1st or 2nd offence?
>moenukige character backstory
>>431392770It's Architect Border after all
>>431393824>slav refugee gets taken advantage of by japanese teenagerKino.
>>431392770Shes a thin-fat
>>431392770Any VN heroines that struggle with their weight and need a protagonist to help them exercise?
So this is a pretty basic Wrestling game but with a few fun twists in it. At least in the version I got through there were weapons under the ring that got used, and the match was won on cheeky use of the rules without anyone being pinned... but please do not let this game description distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.
>>431394684Here are your gym teacher MCs, that'll probably give you a fewhttps://vndb.org/i951?m=2&m=0&f=2wmain-&s=0
Criminal TLs when?
>>431395031All fanTLs are criminal TLs technically since they don't have permission
>>431394943The best gym teacher MC is Raphael Ambrosius Cousteau.
Is this Kamige?
>>431395208
oppai doko
>>431395031Untranslatable
>>431395104I should replay that absolute kamige someday....
>>431395910死天王bros...
>>431396090
>>431395910>>431396090Indecipherable
The final game of this route in The Game of Fourtune is called Heartbreaker. If your heartbeat leaves an acceptable calm range you die. Simple and effective game.
Lucia is a miracle of the universe.
This is one of the only times the game's setting has really explicitly confirmed the characters are from/in the USA, not that it's a huge deal.
>>431395208only if shotas get raped by older women
>>431397504>OhioYou need to figure out whether she prefers opiates or crystal meth. She's probably a slut in the first case and a yandere in the second case.
fucking glowies get out of my VNs reeeee
Goodnight plotBBCNTR enjoyers.
Goodnight Moe Border kings
>>431400315'buenas nights karenchadino~
Sweet dreams, japanese pornographic powerpoint fans
good night everyone, goodnight, thanks!
I want to kms
why are you faggots like thisdie in your sleep pleasenight
Time to go to bed, now. Slumber all over your bed.
I heard gin'iro haruka got TL'd for the most part, is it cute?
I love making ESLs save pictures of black men and characters they hate just with the power of my mind
>>431401474It's toneworks
>>431401659I haven't read one of their stuff before
schlop schlop schlop schlop schlopmmmm delicious pink juice
Jade's route was really good too, they connected him more thoroughly to the plot than I was expecting through his backstory, and his tropes aren't as annoying as they first seem. This is the point where I'd bring up my biggest pet peeve about The Game of Fourtune so far. Character sprites have props that they just shouldn't. Jade holds a laptop, which just makes no sense because electronics don't work in Bell's game and Jade knew that. I held off on mentioning it because there was always the chance they became relevant, but I finished Jade route without his laptop even getting a casual mention or use. Frankly this sprite design aspect is clumsy and too on the nose. They obviously wanted it to be visually noticeable that Jade was a programmer, so they slapped a laptop in his hands. Just have his shirt say "HELLO WORLD" in a retro font if subtle character designs are off the table.It's not just Jade, Zeph carries a skateboard but never uses it even when he's in a race challenge. Lilith has a random chemical flask, as if labcoat and medical gloves weren't enough to get her scientist vibes across. Some of these are more excusable, I don't mind Laura holding a few flowers or Theresa holding playing cards or Richard holding his book, because you can give the benefit of the doubt that these are comfort items or boredom killers for the characters without expecting them to come into play too often. How do you give someone a skateboard and then not even mention why they aren't using it in their competitions?The worst part about this is that it sounded like it had real potential early on. At the start of the game it was explained that the players could take non-weapon items with them, Clyde notes a bunch of people went back to their cars after hearing that. But they've never used this as a chekov's gun yet, I have a feeling the line was written just to excuse these sprite choices.>>431398321She's a florist, she probably grows her own Opium.
>>431401691It's moege but more grounded and slower paced. Routes also progress from school to adult life which you don't see too often in moege. If you want nothing but long hours of slice of life, romance, little to no drama and H-scenes then it's perfect for you.We don't talk about Hatsukoi though
New moege dropped on ryuugameshttps://www.ryuugames.com/eng-spiral-dystopia-full-save-cg-uncensored/
>>431402445Where are the moege that show progression from JS to JC to JK life?
>>431401973>censored bungholioThey don't even need to do it but they do it anyway. I hate kuzusoft
>>431402679Censorship is kino
>>431402753I want to see the pooper hole in all of its wrinkly glory.
>>431402605https://vndb.org/v21439
>>431402679Wait buttholes don't have to be censored? Since when was that a thing?
>>431403083They're fine so long as they aren't getting penetrated or gaped. Have you really not noticed?
apologize.
>>431402474that cover and title seems misleading for a moege
>>431403301No I seriously never did. Not big into anal/buttholes
>>431392369Corpse Factory was an amazing read, more people need to pick that one up. You can tell the anti-evn folk have never tried it or they would come around.
I will never read an EVN, and the off-putting behavior of the EVNshills means that I will never even consider it.
>>431404212looks like you never read Corpse Factory
>>431404421of course. are you illiterate? I literally said I've never read an EVN, and I never will.
>>431404212>he never read Katawa Shoujowhy are newfags allowed in this thread
>>431404212I admire your pure pedigree. I accidentally read a few when I was new to VNs before I knew how to tell the difference
I will never read anything in the top 1000 of VNDB, and the off-putting behavior of the good-VNshills means that I will never even consider it.
>>431404474I've never read that either.
>>431404527we could tell, tourist
>>431403060too bad the art is garbage
>>431404474>he doesn't know KS is barely 4chanreally exposing your newfaggotry here
My first VN was an EVN but I will never read them again because they're garbage compared to kino block letters.
>>431404474>Katawa ShoujoI started reading vns 3 years ago and I still haven't got around to reading it.
>>431404642>"h-heh, akshually KS's development team detached themselves from 4chan"MASSIVE newfag on that dunning-kruger high to even bring this up in this particular discussionlurk 2 more years before starting to post
>>431404471what a newfag, this guy never read KS
>>431404738>dunning-krugerReally exposing your redditry here, moron. The fact is that they were all annoying e-celebs, half of which didn't even use 4chan.
holy shit kuonanon made katawa shoujo
>>431404809>very quick to call anything redditIf I call you newfag one more time, you'll be able to report me for spamming.
>>431404484All EVNs are undeniably pale imitations of superior JOP work. Why would I read a fake when I can read the original? Not like the anons here are good at persuading people otherwise.
>>431404883Kuonanon was in like middle school when that game was made
It's actually kind of hilarious that there are people obsessive enough with a niche this tiny that still refuse to touch many of the best and most influential titles in the medium for reasons as silly as "W-well I only read things originally written by Japanese people and then translated into English arbitrarily". I can sort of get coomers that won't touch all ages stuff, and I can get puritans that won't touch porn stuff, but it's funny to think so many people are guided by some weird mix of racism and elitism over a group of people that doesn't even contain themselves, because if it did they'd be on 2ch.
>>431404936>All EVNs are undeniably pale imitations of superior JOP work. UAB mogs every single lolige I've ever read, and this is coming from someone who loves lolige.
All translations are undeniably pale imitations of superior EVN work. Why would I read a fake when I can read an original? Not like the anons here are good at persuading people otherwise.
pinks
>>431404936>All EVNs are undeniably pale imitations of superior JOP work.I know your post is bait but honestly, they're not even imitations most of the time. They're just doing their own thing on the side completely detached and unaware of the history of this magnificent medium.
>>431405076don't kiss them
>>431405104we deserve them
>>431405076are
>>431405013>that garbage art>mogging anythingThat being said I still jacked off to it many years ago.
>>431405078That's not entirely true.Some of them are detached, but a lot of others are inspired heavily by Japanese stuff. How To Date A Magical Girl is basically a mix of Urobuchi reverence, mainly Madoka but you can see references and influence from things like Saya and his other works too.
>>431404986>best and most influentialcitation needed lol. lmao even>>431405013garbage art. you need an eye transplant, or better yet, a brain transplant>>431405078half of mystery EVNs are danganronpa copies. VNs are such a niche format that every hack writer who tries to write one is inevitably inspired by better works>>4314050730 iq bot
It is time once again to confess your sins, /vn/
>>431405157>>431405183>>garbage artUAB forged its own identity with its unique art style, while most lolige are just imitating other lolige.That being said, the art really grows on you and fits the theme of the game more than a JVN would.
>>431404902>newfag obsessed anon from 2018oh you're that guy. worthless discussion. you could be replaced with a bot
>>431405241I love Karen
>>431405241Due to committing my second offense, I crossed the border of criminality and became a Waltz Hustler.
>>431405183>>citation needed lol. lmao evenIf you don't think Katawa Shoujo is one of the most influential visual novels for people reading in English, you're kidding yourself. /vn/ probably wouldn't even exist if not for KS. It's a bit different for newfags, but for everyone else KS was mandatory reading. DDLC isn't popular among ultra-weebs, but it's had an undeniable influence not just on visual novels but on gaming as a whole, and absolute fuckloads of people love it.
>>431405287>remembers and confuses me with a guy from 2018least schizophrenic election tourist
>in Englishstopped reading
>>431405241Is posting oppai on /vn/ a sin?
>>431405408No that is a holy sacrament
>>431405275>forged its own identitythrough its artist's inability to draw better art maybe>imitating other loligeno need to lie to shill your EVN>>431405347And yet the heart of VNs will always be Japan, where they've barely heard of DDLC and KS. >>431405368sounds like I touched a nerve. maybe if you lurked more you wouldn't stand out so much
>>431405241I'm a JOP
>>431405481
>>431405469lil bro cant take an L :skullemoji:
remember when reading FSN was considered mandatory? the newfags in denial ITT stay winning
>>431405183>half of mystery EVNs are danganronpa copies.No, half of all mystery stories period are Arthur Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie copies. That includes Danganronpa, it splashed some pink paint and weird anime stuff on top of a few Agatha Christie concepts. Danganronpa didn't invent "whoa the victim wrote the killer's name in blood" or "the mastermind pretends to be a victim", and it absolutely didn't invent "someone died in a locked room, now we need to figure out how". You're really showing how little you understand if you think Danganronpa of all things is original, the 1st game doesn't have a single mystery plot point you can't find in multiple classic mystery novels.
>>431405630If your first VN wasn't FSN or KS, you don't belong here
>>431405539sorry, i didn't realise you were mentally retarded. i apologise for my harsh tone. they let special needs children access the internet? does your handler know you frequent this website? I have so many questions for you
>>431405539Why do EVNshills talk like american teenage girls?
no I will never read uminekono I will never read fateno I will never read rewritesimple as
You should read Making*Lovers
>>431405648>even though they're both considered kusoge We need to accept newfags like >>431405650 >>431405660 or else all the inhabitants of /vn/ will die of old age, gramps
I only read Criminal Border
>>431405637and EVNs are poor derivatives of those already derivative works. weren't you trying to convince me to read them?
>>431405013>UABI'm going to blogpost the German version
>>431405718>constantly calling other people newfagsthey say people's worst fears are the insults they use the most. I think that says a lot about you when that's your go-to insult.alternatively, if you are an oldfag, I'm impressed. 10+ years of lurking and your opinions are still worthless. all that time wasted
>>431405469>>And yet the heart of VNs will always be JapanAlways? Anon, you're behind the times. More and more countries are making more and more visual novels, and they're getting better at it every year. Look at the top seller VNs on Steam, half of them aren't Japanese. You're clinging onto a concept that is already out-dated, give it another decade and Japanese VNs will be looked at in the same way as video games in general. We're not in the age where if you want video games you need to buy Japanese games anymore, not even all Sonic or Mario games are made in Japan these days.
>>431405791Should I buy an inverted nipple onahole?
>>431405817Why does getting called newfag in a discussion literally about newfags hurt you so much? >>431405183>VNs are such a niche format that every hack writer who tries to write one is inevitably inspired by better worksThe amount of smug stupidity radiating off of a retard who criticizes someone for being inspired by better works. I am 100% convinced that you have never created anything in your whole entire life, you're probably underage, too.
>>431405726You really just don't understand the basics. Sad to see people like you convince themselves of things like this when you clearly are aware you don't know mystery shit to begin with.
>>431405859>getting better at it every yearevidently not, since the most "successful" VNs try to imitate better JOP works>>431405910you reek of 2016. fuck off and never talk to me again.>>431405954sounds like you don't have an argument, and have conceded to me. thank you
>>431405861>inverted nipple onahole?science has gone too far
>>431406006this guy won
>>431406006>fuck off and never talk to me again.You are such a newfag you forgot that we're on 4chan, where you'd have to point out which one of the two posts belongs to you before I can even start to do what you want from me.
>>431406063Sir, this is 4channel
>>431406063out of the three retards I'm currently babysitting, you're the worst by far. if you had an IQ above room temperature, you'd be able to follow conversations and read social cues.
>>431406063holy schizo
>>431406006>evidently not, since the most "successful" VNs try to imitate better JOP worksYou've really managed to convince yourself that you know more about things you have no experience with than people that actually have experience, huh? It's very telling that you never see people saying "I read EVNs and I don't like them, here's a critique", it's always "I refuse to read them out of spite so that means they must be bad"
Was there not a credits page for Oppai Academy 2?
I read them and I don't like them tho lol
>>431406006>sounds like you don't have an argument, and have conceded to me. thank youSorry, this isn't reddit, we don't spoonfeed you here. Go read some EVN and you'll understand the truth. The reality is that when you start your position by saying "I have no knowledge on this topic", it's really irrelevant what you say after that point. Going "I have never read an EVN but you didn't spoonfeed me so I win" isn't clever, it's just going to make me laugh again.
Yes I realize my blanket hatred for EVNs is irrational.No that won't make me get over my utter disgust at their art.
someone added UAB to the list of sample games on the german wikipedia article for "Ren'Py" and it's still there after all those yearshttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%E2%80%99Py
>>431406274>This isn't reddit>Go read some EVNbut you're trying to turn this into reddit
>>431405241I've never read the Fate or UBW routes, only HF. My only exposure to Fate and UBW are the DEEN and Ufotable adaptions
>>431406294This language is so fucking ugly.
I simply think that making an EVN is a crime against humanity.
>>431406325Again you show you have no experience with what you speak of. reddit's visual novel community is adminned by Gambs, one of the most anti-EVN people you can find. EVN are 4chan, we literally MAKE them with stuff like KS and Snoot Game.
>>431406372weird, didn't realize wikipedia automatically changes to spanish
EVNESLs trying to convince people they're not SEAdwellers because they read "native" Western slop
>>431406383This. If someone hates EVN they belong on reddit because they'd get along great with Gambs. Gambs hates 4chan because it doesn't let him censor the opinions of people that like things he does not, just like anti-EVN anons.
>>431406181the best and most successful names are all JOP works. nearly all EVNs try to copy Japanese artstyles. >I refuse to read them out of spiteThat's where you're wrong. Why would I read a poor imitation, when I can either read books, or the original inspiration? That is the crux of my point you haven't even addressed. I might consider reading EVNs if VNs were my only medium of entertainment, but they're not, and so I will not waste my time on them.>>431406274>>431404902 . Also, you're supposed to convince people to read them, and I must say you're doing a poor job so far.
>>431406441Oh no no no... Kuonanon will NOT gusta this.
Friends, I come from /hgg2d/ bearing a question.Is Spiral Dystopia any good? It's pretty far removed from stuff I usually play, but for some reason Kagura released it so I can't help but be interested.
>>431406496lol?
>>431406496>Also, you're supposed to convince people to read them, and I must say you're doing a poor job so far.Why would I see someone saying "I refuse to read something without handholding and spoonfeeding" and want them reading the same shit as me? You're the kind of person that we gatekeep on purpose.
>>431406494Gambs-dono the allmighty JOP Emperor allows EVNs on the sub dough
So cute!
I don't get why my EVN bros here don't like reddit. Everyone on the subreddit posts EVN content daily, I go there more often nowadays since 4chan is so hostile to EVNs. Anyways, anyone reading Summertime Saga?
>>431406562Now I'm convinced you're actually a moron. If you can't understand what I meant, you're either underaged or incredibly undersocialised>>431406604>invade a general>try to gatekeephilarious
>>431401973I haven't gotten to her route yet but I already love her.
>>431406553I don't think anyone has read it yet, nobody ever spoke about it before translation dropped and it has zero reviews on vndb.
>>431406686Yeah, EVNshills are mentally disabled. Why else would they be able to stand garbage writing and art? It's fitting that they love a game about crippled girls, they're all mentally crippled themselves.
>>431406496>>the best and most successful names are all JOP worksYou are incapable of making a claim on "best", an opinionated claim, because you conceded you have no valid opinion on EVN the second you admitted to never having read them. Most successful? Look again, you clearly haven't checked in a while. The Steam tags are flawed but tons of EVN are extremely successful both on Steam and outside it in places like Patreon.
no one but you is talking about garbage platforms like steam faggot lol
>>431406686>If you can't understand what I meant, Why the fuck else are you quoting a post that only says "don't call everything reddit or else you'll look like a newfag"? It has nothing to do with convincing you to read EVNs.Any normal person reading your post will interpret it as "oh, so this guy calls you reddit and the other one thinks you're a newfag for calling someone else reddit, therfore the person you're talking to is a hypocrite."
>>431406686>invade a generalFaggot, we created this general and it's an undisputed fact. Katawa Shoujo is 99% of the reason /v/ kicked visual novels into /vg/, and you'd know that if you knew this general's history. /ks/ existed before /vn/ did, they both spawned due to EVN booming on 4chan with KS.
>>431406862>therforeOh no no no ESLEVNsisters not like this
I'm going in
Don't worry
>>431406780The issue with EVNs is 100% the art. Writing is case-by-case, but you can tell in a second with your eyes that a game is trash. If they ever reach the level of JVN art I'd be more than willing to try some, but until my standards are met with the visuals no EVN will get my time.
>>431406649>4chan is so hostile to EVNs.Not true, 4chan loves EVNs and users here make them and post them all the time. > Anyways, anyone reading Summertime Saga?I'm waiting for the tech update, but I've read it over and over. Such a classic game, I don't think we'll ever see a better dating sim.
>>431406789>actually trying to use Steam charts Has anyone actually heard of these games? Danganronpa, Ace Attorney, Fate and so many JOP games have entered the public consciousness. There are no EVNs that have reached this status, unless you count the Witcher 3>you have no valid opinion on EVN the second you admitted to never having read themHave you tried eating shit? You don't want to? But you haven't tried it, so you have no valid opinion on it. Your persuasion skills are incredibly poor. If you're the one shilling EVNs, I pity the poor developers paying you>>431406862figure it out yourself. not going to spoonfeed you. >>431406885lol, lmao even
>>431406937If this was true people would have no problem with the many great looking EVN like Corpse Factory. The problem with EVN is mostly just down to racism, if the anon saying EVN can't be good read Corpse Factory with the voices muted, I guarantee he wouldn't even be able to tell it wasn't Japanese.
>>431406789>PatreonThose people are absolute shit-eaters, Anon. Just because bunch of people managed to dupe idiots into paying them thousands of dollars each month to keep developing a game indefinitely, it doesn't make that shit any good.
>>431407091>EVNs aren't imitations of JOP games!>you wouldn't be able to tell a difference with the voices mutedlmao
>>431407091I'd say the art of that one meets quality standards. The issue past that is it not being 18+. I don't read all-ages shit
>>431407009>Danganronpa, Ace Attorney, Fate and so many JOP games have entered the public consciousnessIt's interesting how every example of yours is a gameplayge series that has a very successful anime adaptation. Yes, Fate is a gameplayge series, it's best known for Fate GO and the anime, not the original VN.>There are no EVNs that have reached this statusKatawa Shoujo and especially DDLC are massive. If you don't think DDLC is in the public consciousness I wouldn't trust you to even know what a wojak was.
>>431407191Nice, Chusingura blogposter is back
>>431406553It doesn't look very good compared to some of the kino this medium can offer.
Where would you take her out to eat at?
>>431407154Thanks for conceding that you admit EVN are just JPVN without translation issues.
>>431407386Nowhere I'm cooking at home to save money.
>>431407156If you're such a coomer that you're incapable of reading anything that isn't graphic pornography then why would anyone care about your opinion on what is better or worse?
>>431407489I don't even fap to them most of the time. It is my belief that H-scenes are a matter of form/convention for Visual Novels. I'm a classicist.
Which?
>>431407268>anime adaptationAnother pro of JOPge is how they can expose themselves to new audiences through these other mediums. Don't understand why you treat it as a negative. You have examples like S:G and Nekopara too. >Katawa Shoujo and especially DDLCTwo incredibly niche games. Popular in some circles, but nowhere close to the popularity of my examples. Only quite telling how you always fallback to these two. DDLC was picked up by some streamers for fun jumpscares, but it didn't have the staying power of the franchises I mentioned. KS is just known as the weird cripple 4chan VN, and you'd be lying to yourself if you pretended it was massive
>>431407528You're saying the word "classicist" but describing the word "schizo".
>>431407528>It is my belief that H-scenes are a matter of form/convention for Visual Novels.Their function is to gatekeep normies, as God intended.
>>431407398Thanks for showing that you have reading comprehension issues
>>431407659It's funny how the people with flawed arguments always fall back on "you just have comprehension issues" when called out.
>>431407702Do you know what an imitation is? I'm pointing out a contradiction, not conceding those arguments are correct. Did you really have to spell this out for your tiny brain?
So pure
>>431407583>and you'd be lying to yourself if you pretended it was massiveYou're underage so you wouldn't know this, but KS was pretty massive when it came out. But not massive as in, every normalfag in the gaming world heard of it, but massive as in every western VN player played it and it introduced a significant amount of EOPs to the world of VNs.
>>431407674
>>431407820Another ad hominem from the moron who has no arguments left. >western VN playerThis is a tiny population lmao. And let me ask you this, did KS have any sort of staying power? Can you point to any notable VNs that it influenced? Fuck, look at the state of /ksg/
It's not healthy to snap at every little thing!
>>431407996>Another ad hominem from the moron who has no arguments left.I'm a different anon.>Can you point to any notable VNs that it influenced?I'd even go as far as saying most EVNs wouldn't even exist without KS.It's what exposed the West to the world of VNs.
>>431407583>Another pro of JOPge is how they can expose themselves to new audiences through these other mediums>DDLC was picked up by some streamers for fun jumpscaresIf you think Japanese VN have the reach of DDLC you're actually retarded. You're playing up "oh weebs can watch the anime" while at the same time downplaying that there are tons of 8-digit viewed videos for DDLC, including on the official channel of the DDLC devs.>but it didn't have the staying power of the franchises I mentionedUtterly blind bias. DDLC+ released in 2021 and sold millions of copies despite being a game that already had a free release and simply had some bonus content packaged in. JOPge would beg for a fraction of that success, DDLC+ has more concurrent steam players 24/7 for years than many JOP releases get peak players.>Only quite telling how you always fallback to these two.I'm not sure why your brain can't handle the concept that you use the most notable examples. If you ask someone to name Mario games, you're gonna see literally a million people name Mario 64 for every 1 person naming Mario is Missing.
>>431407996>did KS have any sort of staying powerYou'd really need to be some kind of massive newfag to even doubt that. As a 4chan VN, it is still remembered on 4chan and often recommended as a starter title to this day - what more staying power could you ask for?There are thousands of JVNs that never get brought up nowadays; tell mewhich lasting impact Chaos;Child or Nurse Love Syndrome had.
>>431407790Holy shit you are braindead. You truly can't understand how "this 1 game has anime art" doesn't contradict the statement "Not all EVN are imitating Japanese games", can you? Here's a hint: There is more than 1 EVN that exists, anon.
>/vn/ is a general to discuss Visual Novels>in other words, a porn book club>A huge part of our time here is spent posting cute girls to make ourselves gosling>They make our hearts go doki doki>tfw /vn/ was the real Doki Doki Literature Club this whole time
>>431408203Right, you're the newfag anon. >most EVNs wouldn't even exist without KSI asked for notable VNs, honey. Can you read? You're obviously not following the argument, my point is that there are almost no notable EVNs.>>431408260Fine, I'll give you DDLC. But I maintain that it was a one-hit wonder, and EVNs have next to no presence in the public consciousness>>431408332>compare the bottom of the barrel JVNs to your "top two" EVNs. Incredible. >still remembered on 4chan and often recommended as a starter title to this dayWow, the community that has made it part of its lore remembers this otherwise nearly obscure VN. And it's barely even recommended nowadays. >>431408456My argument was the vast majority of popular EVNs, or what counts for popularity as EVNs, imitate JVNs. Please read before engaging me again, or I won't bother giving you a reply again
>>431408530I wish I could just delete all of (you)
>>431408530cute
>>431408592>Right, you're the newfag anon.I don't know what this means.>my point is that there are almost no notable EVNs.That wasn't your point. Read this post, again >>431407996
>>431407996>Can you point to any notable VNs that it influenced?https://www.reddit.com/r/katawashoujo/comments/2shhge/the_ultimate_list_of_katawa_shoujoinspired_vns/Here's a short list from 8 years ago. Past that, it's basically impossible to avoid the fact that nearly every western vn past 2012 is inspired by KS, because most western readers have read it. It's sort of like Mario 64, it defined 3D movement so early on that without it, even modern games like Elden Ring might have ended up being very different if Mario 64 didn't exist, even if there's no snappy quote from FROMSOFT saying Mario 64 was an inspiration. It's impossible to say how many of the FROMSOFT devs played Mario 64, but it's likely damn near all of them did, and past that most of the audience for 3D games has roots in Mario 64.>Fuck, look at the state of /ksg/If the best argument you have is pointing at /vg/, then EVN must be amazing because the current /vn/ thread is almost exclusively anons posting and talking about EVN.
One day tototroon will realize that people can recursively hide this entire artificial argument with a single click
>>431408592>Wow, the community that has made it part of its lore remembers this otherwise nearly obscure VN. What's up with the middle part of that sentence? And yes, you should expect to receive an answer to your questions. Being remembered fondly on one of the world's biggest otaku forums is quite a lot more staying power than a large portion of JVNs have.>And it's barely even recommended nowadays.Delusional. You can barely go a single VN thread on /v/ without seeing it pop up. MAybe leave your little echo chamber here now and then.
>>431408929You might as well not even reply to that guy, he is insanely biased. You can tell he just assumes KS has no fans because he posts in /vn/, he literally isn't even considering that people don't post KS in /vn/ because it's important and well loved enough to have /ks/ solely for itself.
>>431408592>Chaos;Child>bottom of the barrel JVNs>literally made by one of the most popular japanese visual novel studios and the direct follow-up title to vndb's #1 VNStunning argument.
>>431409021>he literally isn't even considering that people don't post KS in /vn/ because it's important and well loved enoughor, because EVNs aren't allowed on /vn/ by virtue of being off-topic>This general is for the discussion of English-translated Japanese visual novels.
>>431408770>>431408803I'll give both of you one last chance. I asked for notable VNs, EVN or not. I've never heard of any of the titles you mentioned. Both of you are poor quality posters with shit arguments. >That wasn't your point. Read this post, againFollow the fucking argument moron. I'm losing patience with you and your retarded ass. Can you see, in the post you quoted, I asked for "notable VNs". My fucking point is that EVNs are not notable, and then you turn around and give me more fucking EVNs. >>431408803You too, moron. Fucking read the above. What the fuck even is this list. 4 VNs I have never heard of, and barely have any presence. You're trolling me right?>>431408929>remembered fondly on one of the world's biggest otaku forums is quite a lot more staying power than a large portion of JVNs haveReally? Keep in mind this is one of your top EVNs btw. If this is what you're resorting to I don't think we can have a discussion>>431409021>biasedCan't even reply to my arguments so this is what you resort to.
>>431409021>/ksg/ - Katawa Shoujo General Anonymous 2 days ago>143 postsIt's over EVNsisters
>>431407674>>431407910The Chamberlain is not pure, she fucked and sucked another dick before Suguha's
>>431409213Yes? She has a daughter
>>431409021>You might as well not even reply to that guy, he is insanely biased.Of course, it's the JOP shitposter/flamewarschizo.https://arch.b4k.co/vg/thread/430044934/#q430049669>>431409102>Really? Keep in mind this is one of your top EVNs btw.What are "my top EVNs"? I have never read a single EVN besides katawa shoujo.Calling you out on your bullshit arguments does not make me an EVNfag.
>>431409295Right, you weren't even following the argument. No use talking to you then. Goodbye
>>431409102>I've never heard of any of the titles you mentioned.WOW, you mean the anon that admitted to never having read an EVN doesn't know shit about EVNs?Hold on, I'm gonna let me grandma type the rest of this post up, you can talk to her for a second: Hello, I'm 89 years old. My great grandson wants me to give you 1 chance. You must name 1 notable VN from Japan. I've never heard of any of the titles mentioned anywhere in this entire general's history, as I am uncultured about visual novels. My great grandson assures me you are a poor quality poster with shit arguments if you can't name a VN notable enough for me to have heard of it.
>>431409103The only vn that /vn/ has made more posts about in the last 2 days is that EVN 2 people are blogposting walls of text for though.
>>431409347I've followed the conversation, but I see that you're out of 'arguments' by now.Maybe we can start over again once you've read at least 50 more VNs so we can begin to argue on nearly even grounds.
>>431409471One discordtroon off his meds can't save EVNs
>>431409374Come the fuck on. The list you provided me is literally from reddit, and have zero fucking presence. Literally nobody has heard of the VNs you've given HAHAHA. I can't even take this seriously anymore.
>most vns struggle to do better than lotr gollumBros...
Sometimes I miss the bots, this is one of those days.
>>431408862its kinda funny how he doesnt even try to be subtle anymore. at least it makes him easy to filter.
>>431409523You clearly haven't, or else you'd understand that the discussion has shifted to notability, and that "top 2" wasn't talking about your personal preferences. Unless you can better the other anon, and give me a EVN more notable than KS and DDLC?
erotic....
>1 anon destroying 4 EVNShills (likely same person) at onceHoly kino
>>431409527It looks like the point went right over your head. Let me state it through some greentext for you:>I do not read EVN and know nothing about them>If I have not heard of an EVN it is not notablepick 1
>that Daito piss drinking CG last thread
>>431409680I'm just tuning them out at this point
>>431409697I'm getting tired of your shit arguments. One can hear about something without reading it you fucking moron. >know nothing about themI've never said this, and this is the load-bearing part of your fucking flimsy argument. Try again, with something I've actually said instead of your ridiculous strawman
>>431409213that's why she is so perverted and want to molest everyone
Someone else arguing with totopo tonight? Can I get a QRD? im not reading all of this shit>>431409374I did read this one though and you're so fucking retarded you should be put down
>>431409779If you're so smart and knowledgeable why don't YOU tell ME the definitive list of all VN that KS inspired? If you're trying to claim it inspired exactly 0 VN, you're just retarded and don't even know the basics of the medium.
>>431409645little girl erotic...
/vn/ should go for a short walk
>>431409890
>>431409884Do you even know the fucking basics of arguing? If you claim something takes inspiration from another works, the onus is on YOU to provide proof. Or I can fucking claim that r07 actually based his writing off mine, and there's no proof he didn't.Fucking moron
>>431409890uwaa...
>>431409102>Follow the fucking argument moron.I did, but you clearly didn't.>I asked for "notable VNs". My fucking point is that EVNs are not notable,No, you asked which notable VN KS influenced, first, then you failed to connect that to your second claim, that EVNs are not notable.To answer your second question,KS is notable because it popularized the VN genre in the West.DDLC is notable because it had mainstream appeal. VA-11 HALL-A is technically an EVN and reached critical acclaim, having one of the highest steam scores of any Steam game ever, while counting 27k reviews.There is also "Long Live The Queen", if you want to stretch the definition of what can count as a VN.
>>431409902Did they finally reach the finale in Meguri?I'm out of the loop, but according to /jp/ the manga follows ryu07's script more closely and is supposed to be better than Sotsugou.
>>431410001
>>431410001You're the one saying "I want a list of vn KS inspired", getting linked a page devoted solely to listing vn KS inspired, and then saying "wtf am I supposed to do with this". Clearly you know less than you think you know, it's very self evident when you claim to have heard of EVN but don't recognize any people bring up. It sounds like you're just too much of a newfag to know anything released 8 years ago unless it got mega popular.
>>431410038Its past the tataridamashi arc with Rika finally knowing whats up, so closing in on the finale.And yeah, it fixed pretty much all issues I can think of so far, extended or remade certain scenes and Satoko no longer does it because she hates studying. Incredibly soulful overall, the author just "gets it" and there's both plenty well done fanservice like satoko thigh shots aswell as properly "gory" gore.
>>431410037There we go. You can do it if you try. The first part needs a little work though. >EVNs are not notableThis is a consistent claim I've been making. See >>431407009, >>431407583. The link is already there. >popularized the VN genre in the WestAnd how big is that? This claim is hard to quantify other than anecdotal evidence too. I'd argue Nekopara as a better example of what brought the existence to VNs to mainstream attention in the West.>highest steam scores of any Steam game ever, while counting 27k reviewsThis really stretches the criteria for notability. I'd still argue it's still pretty niche. Well-reviewed doesn't equal notable.>>431410145I wanted a list of notable VNs, not some no-name shit. Look me in the fucking eye and tell me the garbage list you gave me was notable. Won't waste my time with you anymore.
God I want to kill the trannies that made KS
>>431410558This but Umineko fangirls(male)
>>431410145he wanted any notable VNs you retarded mong, I told you 2 days straight you can't fucking read and I find someone arguing with your retarded ass on the third and you still can't fucking read.Stop wasting people's time you monkey.>>431407583DDLC is definitely big, it's a big part of why VNs are even doing decent on steam these daysKS reached normalfag ears when it came out but yeah it's never gone anywhere and remained kinda niche(? unsure if that's th right word since it was still one of the biggest VN gateways at that time)
>>431410434The anime alwys felt off, especially with r07 stating in interviews basically every week how they missed or misread tons of details from the script.Going to read it once it's all out.>there's both plenty well done fanservice like satoko thigh shotsHe truly gets the soul of higurashi...
>>431410590Them too of course
>>431410498>I wanted a list of notable VNs, not some no-name shit. Look me in the fucking eye and tell me the garbage list you gave me was notable.They are notable, you think they are no-name because you don't know anything about EVN. You're doing a ton of begging for spoonfeeding and it's obvious you're not going to be happy no matter what people say, because you're not giving a real effort to communicate. You just want people to link you stuff because you know you're just going to say "I never heard of that", because no shit someone that has read 0 games including the best of them won't hear of the hidden gems.You're so biased that you refuse to even attempt to read the type of game you spend hours arguing about online, which is all that really needs to be said about you.
should I read steins;gate againit's probably not as good the second time
>>431410681Read it and only do the Farris route and pretend that's canon
https://vndb.org/v33844>My Ass Pass to Succubus Sexland!>my ass pass>my assWhat an unfortunate title troonslation in this day and age.
Why haven't you create your own kamige yet with AI Tools?
>>431410636niche is the wrong word, if you asked every person on earth to name up to 10 visual novels they know, then Katawa Shoujo would be one of the most named ones. It's got a huge wikipedia page, it got the original Japanese artist that inspired it to give it a thumbs up after it released, and it gets constant discussion and mentions not just on 4chan but on other forums as well.
>>431410639>fanservicenotable that it's not overdone as to be distasteful. Or like a certain OVA.DEEN chbi sovl lives on..
>prequel memeAbsolutely soulful translation.
>>431410791Because making a VN as a non-Japanese is an ill-advised venture
>>431410636I conceded DDLC here: >>431408592. I can agree that KS is on the verge on being notable outside these circles, but its appeal and origin probably means that it will never truly be widely popular. >>431410667Fuck off. I conceded DDLC, and I'm making an effort in my arguments, unlike whatever the fuck you're doing. Your typing is barely coherent. Give me something like VA-11 and I'll agree that i've heard of it, but your list is full of dead webpages and literal whos
>>431410681Steins;Gate isn't the worst thing to read twice, it has a lot of mystery elements and scenes meant to make more sense in hindsight. You're better off just branching out to read something you typically wouldn't though, you might fall in love with something you wouldn't expect.
>>431410717oh gosh
>>431410797>and it gets constant discussion and mentions not just on 4chan but on other forums as wellyou cant honestly expect me to believe this shit.Katawa Shoujo is fucking dead.>one of the most named ones>top 10Remember Clannad, SG, Saya, DDLC. Your average normie cant even name 10 and im not sure if they'd remember Katawa. Having a huge wiki page isnt really indicative of anything. Nor is the artist part.
>>431410763>Misonoo Mei, Yatsuhashi Kinako, and Momozono Kaoru.The trifecta of voice succubi.
>>431410880I'm not sure I can again handle the stupidity of a microwave that creates black holes or CERN being evilor the entire character of daru
>>431410498>And how big is that?I don't know, but considering that every westerner who was into VNs back then read it, it must have been very big.In absolute terms, it's probably a negligible amount compared to what Steam has done to the genre.>Well-reviewed doesn't equal notable.It fulfills one aspsect that I think equals notability, being that the game is percieved as good.27k reviews means that, given normal purchase-to-review ratio, many people have bought it & played it.SteamDB puts it at between 1.11 and 2.85 million sales, depending how you interpret the ratio (35-90 purchases for each review).https://steamdb.info/app/447530/charts/And this is not counting console releases.
>>431410832how long is that FD actually, I thought it's like 3 hours total but seems there's a lengthy SOL? Get flowersfag to read it so he diversifies his content already
>>431410871>I can agree that KS is on the verge on being notable outside these circles, but its appeal and origin probably means that it will never truly be widely popular.What even is your point here, are you looking for VNs that got mainstream approval? Aside from those with anime adaptations, there aren't many of those even among JVNs.One of vndb's top 5 titles, Muramasa, is probably less known than even Love, Money and Rock'n Roll, and even Muvluv was considered "niche" on otaku forums that weren't specifically targeted towards visual novels before it got an anime adaptation.
>>431410871>Give me something like VA-11 and I'll agree that i've heard of itYeah, no shit you heard of one of the top vns on vndb. Here's the test for you, this is VNDB's most popular EVN by readership, how many of them have you literally never heard of? Because if you haven't heard of half of the most popular ones, you really aren't qualified to say shit about the niche ones.
>>431411172NTA butEveryone knows only the first 3 because the rest are literally unpopular garbage.Analogue was visible on steam iirc so I recall the title but the other ones I've never fucking seenThe fuck is even your point here? regardless of whether he knows them or not they're not "notable".
>>431410949>you cant honestly expect me to believe this shit.>Katawa Shoujo is fucking dead.someone mentioned it literally yesterday on the visual novel subreddit's weekly discussion sticky. It still comes up constantly in the context of "this game has stuck in my mind for a full decade", which is far more than you can say for 99% of Japanese VN.
>>431411006Pick up something more grounded then. If you like mystery stuff, The Zodiac Trial is pretty great if the art doesn't filter you. No magic microwaves, just a death game and people trying to figure out wtf is going on.
>>431411034>every westerner who was into VNs back then read itAgain, anecdotal evidence>In absolute terms, it's probably a negligible amount compared to what Steam has done to the genre.Glad you agree.>SteamDBI'd argue that VA-11 is a cult hit, which skews the reviews a little. And yet, it barely has any cultural influence. I'll give it to you if you want to claim it as an cult hit, but no way it's widely notable>>431411109You're only looking at the western market and perspective. That's another point in the favour of JVNs, which have international appeal, while EVNs are strictly Anglosphere only, Russosphere if you're being generous.
>>431411035>how long is that FD actuallyNagomibako consists of three mini stories:One of them is Cartagra's canonical last episode set two years after the ending, the second one is a short NTR nukige following Rin's entry into the Yukishiro and the last one is a pretty fun Cartagra x PP collab which features all of the girls in a high school setting.Aside from that, there are two minigames. So it's probably around ~10-15 hours if you speed through everything.>Get flowersfag to read it Thank you for the recommendation, but I (one of the flowersbros) am already reading it...
>>431411391>which is far more than you can say for 99% of Japanese VNwhats the point of this sentence? are you trying to say katawa is somehow more popular than jvn?>someone mentioned it literally yesterday on the visual novel subreddit's weekly discussion stickySo what? that's not discussion nor even something I'd count as a mention in the vein of "is this game/topic alive?", because he's not there to say anything about Katawa, he just dropped an old title that people know of.
>>431410808As long as there's plenty of lovey-dovey Mion fanservice, I'll be satisfied.
>>431411545VA-11 definitely is widely notable. I did not play it, but I remember seeing references to it in other media. Sure it's not CoD but it's one of the indies that made it big
>trying to argue EVNs are more popular than JVNsWhich absolute retard even started this argument
I love Kinobane.
>>431410763>>431410981>Rumi>mother of the family of succubus >she is a virginWhat the fuck I'm reading?
>>431411940Can't upset the unicorns.
>>431411901Indie games are an incestous community. This doesn't mean anything
still never reading EVNsKS and Doki Doki sucks
>>431411323>Everyone knows only the first 3 because the rest are literally unpopular garbage.This is insane shit. You think 5% of all VNDB users reading something isn't notable? That's a fucking ton of people, especially when you extrapolate the numbers. Summertime Saga is #1889 in popularity with a 1.18, but that doesn't stop it from pulling 60K in cash on Patreon month after month for years, or being instantly recognizable to the point where it's a huge meme to respond to pictures of it with a parody image. If you think something with 5 times as many VNDB readers as Summertime Saga is somehow unpopular, you're just showing how little you know about the subject.>The fuck is even your point here? regardless of whether he knows them or not they're not "notable".The point is that if it's fully admitted he only recognizes like 4 EVN total, that no shit he's gonna say he doesn't recognize anything past those. He's not qualified to even comment on the notability of something he can only name a few of.
>>431411770>picbut that's- naruhodo. Truly, peak Mion.
>>431412050It's shovel knight/rogue legeacy/meatboy levels of popular. If thats not notable we're looking at AAA levels or binding of isaac smash hits
>>431411648So you're backpedaling all the way from "Katawa Shoujo is fucking dead" to "So what if it's brought up every day even a decade after it came out"? The fact that every person in this thread knows KS and that we're here talking about it proves it's notable, you haven't even read it and you know about it.
>>431412096Are you retarded? The main audience of Summertime Saga probably doesn't even know what a VNDB is. Trying to extrapolate numbers like that is a sign of a moron who didn't learn statistics. >He's not qualified to even comment on the notability of something he can only name a few of.Wrong. I'm not qualified to talk about their plots or characters, but I am qualified to talk about notability, something I can tell even without reading it.
>>431412137>Truly, peak Mion.Indeed.. she deserved a happy ending.
>>431412212>>Are you retarded? The main audience of Summertime Saga probably doesn't even know what a VNDB is.Hint Hint: This applies to most EVN. Their numbers appear low on VNDB because their readerbase are not likely to use VNDB to begin with.>Trying to extrapolate numbers like that is a sign of a moron who didn't learn statistics. When an EVN is notable enough to be read by 5% of VNDB people, you know it's exploded outside of VNDB too. Or, at least, people with brains do. >but I am qualified to talk about notability, something I can tell even without reading it.If you can't name more than the top 4 then you know so little that it's pointless. Most 10 year olds could name more EVN than you just off of watching Markiplier play them.
>>431411925Thou are the innocent blade, DEMONBANE. Also Al and Kuro canonically fuck even in the all-ages version
____________ZAKO________________
>>431412212>but I am qualified to talk about notabilityName the most notable EVN that isn't in the top 50 on vndb and hasn't been mentioned ITT then. We both know you can't do it because we both know you don't know anything about the topic.
>>431412096>You think 5% of all VNDB users reading something isn't notable?Yes, ob fucking viously. It is not notable. It is 5 fucking %. FIVE. OUT OF A HUNDRED.>Summertime Sagait's not popular, people don't actually read it and you're braindead if you think you can use it to gauge vndb shit. If that was the case Fate would be plastered over every single billboard and the most popular thing this world has ever witnessed.>patreonrich evn fags /=/ popularity. It's "known" just cause it caught fire as a meme because of the CGs being easy to fuck with and funny.>you're just showing how little you know about the subjectyou're just once again showing your inability to draw correct conclusions. I've never seen anyone fail so much at logical thinking before, it is genuinely concerning.>The point is that if it's fully admitted he only recognizes like 4 EVN totalWell yes, as does everyone else. Because the rest isn't notable. (I'll grant you the 3 RVNs whose name I cant remember being mildly popular, but still.)>He's not qualified to even comment on the notability of something he can only name a few ofthis is not how it works. You fail at such elementary logic its honestly a fucking chore talking to you. Jesus fuck.If anything, the person who's invested into something will have more issues with telling what's notable or isn't, because he doesn't have the broader POV of people who do not give a shit about that niche.Unless you guys are discussing what's "notable in the EVN fan circles" and not "notable as a whole" but it doesn't seem to be the case, nor would it really be a worthwhile discussion.
>>431412205We're in the community that sparked KS's creation, of course we would remember it. >>431412404lol, Summertime Saga is a /weg/. Their core audience is absolutely different from your average EVN. > you know it's exploded outside of VNDB toowhat did I say about extrapolating again?>you know so little that it's pointlessI don't need deep knowledge to judge notability. In fact, my lack of bias and knowledge make me a more objective judge, while your perceptions are colored.>>431412481my point is that most of them are not notable. Why would I be able to name them if they were not notable?
>>431412598>it's not popular, people don't actually read itThis is where I laugh and just ignore the rest of your wall of text. sure, people have thrown millions of dollars at it as a joke. The 27K current patrons are just kidding, they never read it they just thought it would be cool to throw money away.
>>431412205I read it when it came out schizoid. It's not a backpedal and yes it's dead as far as discussion about it goes and only brought up because it got many people into VNs. People mention various things everyday but that doesnt automatically make them popular and "alive", just good reference points.>The fact that every person in this thread knows KS and that we're here talking about it proves it's notableNo, it doesnt prove shit unless you wanna say it's notable in /vn/.
>>431412203Yeah fair enough, these are all indie hits. Oddly, I feel like VA-11 is less well-known than Shovel Knight, which is the only other game I recognised on your list.
Is this true?
>>431412598>It is 5 fucking %. FIVE. OUT OF A HUNDRED.anon, don't tell me you believe 5 per cent means that the total is only 100 people
>>431412793Maybe if you could read you would realize what I meant.You implied it's widely popular because all of these memes etc, to which I said that these people don't actually read it.Obviously the patreons do, but that's only an extremely small % of the people you brought up. Most of shitposters have not actually read that game.And let's not even mention the fucking paid advertisements that made people even remember this title
>>431412628>my point is that most of them are not notable. Why would I be able to name them if they were not notable?How can you distinguish between "These are not notable" and "These are things I do not know enough about" then?
>>431412805>it got many people into VNsI thought it wasn't notable? How does something with no notability in a niche medium (especially over a decade ago) get noticed by people that aren't familiar with the medium at all? That sounds on the legendary level of notability to me.
>>431412807Weird you don't recog Rogue Legacy, it was massive at the time it came out, binding of isaac levels, it just faded out due to no streamers.SK and other platformers of that kind are an ancient deep rooted community, probably plays into it
>>431412976That's what the entire conversation has been about so far.
>>431412885wait, it doesn't?
>>431413080It's not weird, the guy you're replying to lives in a bubble. He knows very little and just assumes his knowledge must be enough. That's why he admitted he not only never read an EVN, he doesn't even recognize anything past the top 4 on VNDB.I'm betting he's a complete zoomer, not recognizing meat boy is an especially big give away because anyone that even knows the phrase "indie game" should know that name instantly unless they're literally underaged.
>>431412885No, but 5% of vndb users isn't a high number. Even 5% of steam users is laughable.>>431413065I never said it's not notable.>KS reached normalfag ears when it came out but yeah it's never gone anywhere and remained kinda niche(? unsure if that's th right word since it was still one of the biggest VN gateways at that time)were my thoughts on it. I only said it's effectively dead in the water right now, it didnt go anywhere with that popularity nor is it particularly discussed anymore, it's a notable title in a niche medium. If you wanna see what an "alive" old title looks like for comparison look at Saya no Uta, which still has people talking about it and making art of it
>>431413081I was asking you a question. Why are you even arguing about notability if you can't answer it? Sounds like dunning-kruger effect to me.
>>431413181lol, you can't respond to arguments so you resort to calling people underage and out of touch. >>431413260I'm telling you to read the fucking conversation because I don't feel like repeating it for you.
One of the best threads in /vn/ history
>>431413297>lol, you can't respond to arguments so you resort to calling people underage and out of touch.You don't recognize meat boy, you're a certified zoomer dude.
>>431413324No doubt.
>Is the cutest, quietest, most meek of the characters>Has the thickest, most sperm-dense ejaculateUnf
New kino just got released.
>>431413297I accept that you have no answer to the question of how you can tell between things that aren't notable and things you don't know about.The other anon bringing up meat boy sealed it for me. If you can't even recognize the pillars of indie gaming, how the fuck would you know anything about if Starnova was notable or not?
>>431413181You live in a bubble far more than he does. Could be that he's also young if he hasn't heard of super meatboy since it kinda created the indie scene.>read rest of your post about meatboy after I typed the aboveyep.>He knows very little and just assumes his knowledge must be enough. That's why he admitted he not only never read an EVN, he doesn't even recognize anything past the top 4 on VNDB.he's not wrong that you don't need EVN knowledge etc for statistics, not gonna re-type his points. Its just you failing at basic logic and drawing correct conclusions from things that deems it impossible.You sound like the kinda retards that say you can't rate an art piece because you can't draw.
>>431413324
>>431413254>Even 5% of steam users is laughable.5% of steam's daily users is three times the most popular game's players you absolute nincompoop
>>431413440>picks up phone>Hello? Who is this?>rerorerorerorero>What..?>rerorerorerorero>is this a joke?>RERORERORERORERO>*hangs up*
>>431413530>You sound like the kinda retards that say you can't rate an art piece because you can't draw.That's a terrible comparison. I'm saying if you can't recognize anything Da Vinci drew other than Mona Lisa, you're not qualified to point out what artwork of his is notable.
So, I've finished InoGure!All in all it is a very enjoyable FD, pretty much the main reason to read Nagomibako at all. Aside from the minigames, that is.Shiori is a fun protagonist, and switching to an all-girls cast is never a bad choice. I must admit that I enjoyed those short yuri h-scenes vastly more than Cartagra's repetitive ones. The Sayo Academy SoL scenes add a lot of characterization to previously rather underused characters, like Takako and Nana. I wonder why KnS never got extra content like this? It feels a lot more silly and nonsensical than later InnoGrey works.The FD also gives some insight into best takoyaki merchant Daisuke's past and perfectly leads into the final part of Nagomibako - the takoyaki grilling minigame.Now then, off to 'play the tutorial'!
>>431413545Nooo you can't just hide the off-topic spam. Me and my discordbros worked so hard on it
>>431413332nice arbitrary criteria. don't change the topic and then try to start another argument from there. not every non-/v/tard is a zoomer>>431413470One is a platformer and another is VN. I'll spell it out for you. So far we've established that massive popularity or cultural influence can constitute notability. If you can prove that Starnova was massively popular, or is an inspiration for any popular works, I'll give it to you.
>>431413590What are you expecting from the guy that convinced himself that he is an expert on EVN and can instantly tell if one is notable or not despite never reading one, not even KS?
>>431413530>You sound like the kinda retards that say you can't rate an art piece because you can't draw.That's true, though.
>>431413636That would be the case if we were talking about Da Vinci's works only, but we're talking about artwork in general, to use your analogy. Even then, Da VInci's other art is notable for influencing subsequent popular and notable art movements and styles, while EVNs have influenced nothing worthwhile
>>431413686>If you can prove that Starnova was massively popular, or is an inspiration for any popular works,Given you claimed that a game that sold 3 times the highest selling Steam game wouldn't be notable and would be "laughable", I don't trust your standards at all.
>>431413590????5% would be close to current cs;go players, not three times.Sure though I admit I was wrong, even if it feels like something's missing or botting's involved
>>431413628kek
>>431413835>while EVNs have influenced nothing worthwhileIt's amazing that Katawa Shoujo and DDLC influenced fuck and all.
>>431413868that was another anon. Summertime Saga is undeniably a notable WEG.
do you write VNs reviews on your vndb profile?
Yes, but only for VNs I haven't read.
>>431413636>That's a terrible comparison.so is yours. If you need to get into art to know which da vinci's works were notable then one's gotta question if they were notable to begin with.
>>431413986I've already argued this. DDLC and KS have inspired nothing worthwhile so far. Don't post the fucking reddit thread again
>>431413970I nicked that number off an article, didn't know steam db had a section for total players
>>431413986DDLC definitely had alot of garbage similar cheap horror VNs follow in its wake, so it's influenced things. Just nothing notable came out of it
>>431414070It's impossible for you to tell the difference between something worthwhile or not because you have no knowledge on the subject.
Where's the discussion of English-translated Japanese visual novels?
>>431414117thats steam's official numbers.Though I did check steamdb just now and yeah this explains why I thought it felt fucking off.Lmao. Only 6.5 mil in game while 26 mil just have their PCs running with steam in the background
>>431414009I write reviews in /vn/, but no one really cares.
>>431414256Certainly not here, considering you're not discusisng it, either.
>>431414217I've already given you my metrics: >>431413686. If you won't stop repeating the same thing like a broken record, I will ignore your posts
>>431414150More than that, DDLC changed youtube content overall. It contributed to a huge shift into jumpscare games and lore games being what was popular to make videos for, especially when Game Theory and every big streamer on the site made videos for it.
What's with this new trend at leaving score note blank? I've noticed the same thing happening on MAL.Are people afraid of numbers?
>>431414217>you need to be an artist to know if an artwork's worthwhilelolare you a writer or can I disregard your EVN knowledge?>>431414256I'll blog fate later. fuck off back to jp
>>431414313Did you really try to steal FNAF's credit for DDLC. lmao
>>431414307I could explain the cultural influence but you simply wouldn't understand, because you'd say everything it influenced is something you never heard of due to your lack of knowledge.
>reddit prisonGo back
>>431414279What happened?
>>431414328You shouldn't leave a score if you only read a translation instead of the real work.
>>431414313xdahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHyeah uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmaybe ask yourself how markiplier got big, how pewdiepie got big.Almost... almost as if... horror games.. were..always..big..on..youtube...? could this... be? no way....surely you can't be as fucking dumb as to disregard FNAF's existence as the sole thing that pushed this trend into the zoomer youtube sphere, right? Surely you're not once again drawing wrong conclusions, right? Surely.Definitely it wasn't FNAF, it must've been DDLC. Mhm.
>>431414405>I could actually make an argument, but you wouldn't understand.
>>431408803>Past that, it's basically impossible to avoid the fact that nearly every western vn past 2012 is inspired by KSthis is so blatantly untrue it's not even funny. 99% of all EVNs are just 30 minute long porn games or patreon scam. and the only thing those are inspired by are other low quality trashy flash games.
>>431414472I will now rate all JOPge at 1.
>>431414402I said "contributed", not jumpstarted. FNAF is the one that started the trend at all, DDLC is the one that made it a youtube trend and not just a fandom for 1 game series.>>431414328I use MAL and VNDB to track what I've already seen/keep a wishlist. I don't use them to make reviews, so I don't bother arbitrarily going "ehhh it's a 7" when nobody will know why I gave it a 7 or what it actually meant to me.
>>431413440looks cool, whats this?>>431414481>>431414402wasn't slender a thing before the fnaf games, and yume nikki before that?
>>431414328sometimes I just don't know how to rate something so I'll leave it blank.People can never score shit properly though since it's always 7+ so you gotta look at the ratings as if "6" was "3"
>>431414587see you in the suspicious voting behaviour thread
>>431414340Damn, you're too stupid to read it seems. Or is it that you think it's impossible to have knowledge on art without making some yourself? Either way you're dumb.
>>431414621It was. As I said horror games were always massively popular on youtube. FNAF was the absolute smash hit with zoomers though, drowning out slender etc. iirc Outlast was also big around that time.
>the JOP sees someone other than him derail the thread for once and is completely desperate for attentionlol
>>431414558>99% of all EVNs are just 30 minute long porn games or patreon scamThe silly number aside, they're made by people that wouldn't know visual novels existed at all if KS didn't exist. Either they read KS, or they learned about VNs/Renpy from people that did.
Do anons think you will read all the vns you ever wanted in your lifetime? I look at my backlog and I'm struggling to pick my next vn.
Damn brat, making fun of adults... needs takoyaki correction!
>>431414625>People can never score shit properly though since it's always 7+ so you gotta look at the ratings as if "6" was "3"Actually the reality is that people only pick up things they expect they will enjoy, and typically drop things they don't end up enjoying before finishing them. Nobody is reading every visual novel ever made and giving them unbiased scores, they're picking up stuff that interests them. Someone that loves Rance will keep reading the games and keep giving them high scores, someone that gives rance a try blind and then hates it right away probably drops it without scoring it, someone that knows rance isn't for them because they don't want rape content or rpg battles doesn't pick it up to begin with.
>>431414621A cyberpunk-ish VN, just downloaded it because angel heroines are rare as fuck
>>431414913I started to clean all my short VNs first to motivate myself
>>431414838>Either they read KSyeah im sure the creator of furry hitler read KS and got super inspired to make their own epic EVN. just accept EVNs are low quality trash and things like KS are rare exceptions.
>>431414913No. I'm not as cynical as most and I love lots of types of vns, I'll never run out. Life is good.
>>431414913I looked at the moege chart and I finished, tried and dropped or don't have much interest in all of them.
give me a vn like yume miru
>>431415035>furry hitlerGood bet that the lineage of that VN includes Hatoful Boyfriend. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's probably the first big "joke VN" in the west
>>431415035It sounds like you're just completely letting bias blind you. How are you assuming someone that makes a "furry hitler" vn even found out that visual novels exist if they never heard of KS? They didn't just magically get born knowing about visual novels, something was their gateway.
>>431414913I've come to terms with the fact that my backlog is never getting cleared; my steam library has like 100 ish games I've never opened. I'm only now reading konosora>>431414997does it have an english translation?
...How would she know?
>>431415068Cross Channel.
>>431415068You can help (then fuck) a girl getting severely bullied in Love Money Rock N Roll. This one is a more spoilery connection, but you can also help (then fuck) a girl addicted to drugs.
>>431415247yes their gateway was other low quality trash games. none of them got inspired by a real VN to make their garbage. at most they might have seen some youtuber reaction to DDLC and then decided they could make quick money by copying the style and adding porn.
>>431415258Of course, do you think I would shitpost with untranslated games? Im not a jop(I do MTL jopge though)
>>431414328Number ratings are fundamentally broken.
>>431415506Then what, should we use colours for ratings?
>>431414967I've finished plenty of "5"s. Enjoyable /=/ good
>>431415435name? I can't find it on vndb and image search turns up nothing
>>431415870erophone-reits in the filename of the first image
>>431414913the closer I get to 30 the less I watch. I think im starting to come to terms that I wont be able to see everything I intended to, considering im aiming for 50s
>>431415383>yes their gateway was other low quality trash games. none of them got inspired by a real VN to make their garbage.This is impossible and you'd know it if you took 2 seconds to think. The early trash games had to have been inspired by good games because there was no magic spark in people's brains letting them know visual novels existed without ever seeing a visual novel.>at most they might have seen some youtuber reaction to DDLCDDLC is a 2017 game, obviously it couldn't have inspired anything until after it was out. There's also the possibility that DDLC wouldn't have been what it is if KS wasn't first. The idea of making a parody of dating sim visual novels in renpy and releasing it for free had to come from somewhere.
>>431415824Sounds like you're bad at picking games for yourself. If I pick up a game and it feels like a 5, I drop it and pick up something better.
>>431416048Why would I drop something that I enjoy? Again, enjoyable /=/ good, you can like and enjoy something alot but still rate it low cause it's garbage.
>>431416219why even bother rating if the number has no connection to if you liked it or not? people like you are why steam only does thumbs up and down, they don't want autists going "well I liked this game and enjoyed it, but it is only 5/10 somehow, now I am off to find something I did not enjoy so I can give it a 8/10".
>>431415957>see moege>make joke game>see joke game>make more joke game>see more joke game>make sex with hitlerKS was never part of this - no one parodied it because its not a moeslop dating sim.And if you really wanna get into inspirations, dont make me fucking remember the newgrounds porn games from way way way way back. love hina dating sim etc this shit was around way before KS and arguably might've popularized the dating sim genre moreso than anything else
>>431415957people can know visual novels exists without having played them. or are you making the very very dumb assumption that these creators have actually read any vn?
After muramasa I can never look at vndb ratings, I just pretend the rating system doesn't exist because it's completely meaningless.
>>431416378KS is the original game people saw. Nobody is getting into visual novels through random shit like Yukikoi Melt.
>>431416502This but Umineko
>>431416369Easiest example would be with anime, if it's done something well and was fun to watch, but then you realize the OST might aswell not have existed, the animation was shoddy etc and you're left with a "1 cause it was shit", but +5 cause "insert redeeming feature which made you stick around".Otherwise why even have numbers lower than 6 - no one will watch these and if you didn't finish it why are you rating it.>people like you are why steam only does thumbs up and down, they don't want autists goinglol what. thats not why, it just simplified the rating to avoid drama over retarded number ratings since people dont use them correctly anyway
>>431410681Branch out, broaden your horizons and read Steins;Gate hiyoku renri no darling or Steins;Gate linear bounded phenogram
>>431416525I never said people get into VNs through moege but you're blatantly wrong.Why do you think localization exists - normans eat up this slop. Asashit etc is how people get into VNs.Look at fucking nekopara, it's attracted far more people than KS ever could. Saya no Uta aswell. You're overestimating KS, it was only big for a year or two, only been a gateway VN in that short timeframe.
>>431416570>Otherwise why even have numbers lower than 6 - no one will watch these and if you didn't finish it why are you rating it.You have numbers lower than 6 for the masochists, big reviewers that aren't paid off, and people terrible at picking stuff. That doesn't mean the average person is going out of the way to finish a 3 after they realize it's not for them.
>>431416803I too embrace, love and support idiocracy.
>>431416502This but the entirety of redditdb top 20
>>431416743>>I never said people get into VNs through moegeWhat the fuck did you mean literally 1 post higher in the chain with this then?:>see moege>make joke gameLike, why are you starting a series of events with moege if you don't think moege is the root???>Asashit etc is how people get into VNs.Not many people are paying for or pirating their 1st visual novel without realizing they like the medium first. KS was so good at converting people because it was free legally.>Look at fucking nekopara, it's attracted far more people than KS ever could. Saya no Uta aswell.You're talking about post-KS games. You might as well look at modern videogames and conclude Nintendo never needed to exist and that all the Sony gamers would still exist in the same numbers if the NES-N64 never existed. You can't always point and say "This specific Fortnite kid likes games because of Nintendo", but it's undeniable that ripples from early booms in popularity effect later shit. If Nintendo never got into games, for all we know gaming tech could be a full decade behind what it is now, and maybe no company does any gimmicky normie shit like the Wii which means gaming is still a niche nerd hobby.
>>431416542>Umineko out of literally nowhereMindbroken.
>>431417192and before someone replies going >post-KS>sayaYes I know it was out first, it also didn't draw people in massive numbers instantly. There are 10 people saying "I got in through KS" for every 1 saying "I got in through Saya".
>>431417192None of this is possible to prove or measure. VNs were an incredibly niche medium before Nekopara. All you have is anecdotal evidence, but Nekopara has massive steam sales to prove it.
>>431417292I feel like this could be settled with a poll
>>431414963harry potter lookin ass
>he's going to post the pp grabber
>first date coming up>agonize for hours over what to wear>come up with pic related
>>431417601me on the far left
>>431417634Why aren't your legs attached to each other?
>>431417192That moege - the dating sim games - inspired dating sim game parodies. Why would you think this somehow means people get into VNs through moege? Its not even that I dont think it's true (it is, again, nekopara), but these are entirely disconnected from each other. Bizarre conclusions to draw.>Not many people are paying for or pirating their 1st visual novel without realizing they like the medium first. KS was so good at converting people because it was free legally.proof?>disregarding ytlol>saya no uta>post kswhat did he mean by this?>ignored dating sim games which was a massive 2000s gatewayAlso it's not like games post KS dont count - the time didn't stop at its release, people still get into visual novels and still make parody games. KS just got left behind, it's failed to inspire anything long term.
I got into VNs through watching clannad, then reading the VN. After that it was shuffle, and then I think FSN was recommended to me. It wasnt until years after that that I started exploring what VNs had in earnest.So yeah I guess moege did get me into VNs at the start
how long have these faggots arguing for lmao
>>431417791Clannad isn't a moege
>>431417601>this is a fat waistline according to /vn/
>>431417601Is he taking her to a den of yakuza to film her getting gang raped while he cries with a boner?
>>431417292>it also didn't draw people in massive numbers instantly. There are 10 people saying "I got in through KS" for every 1 saying "I got in through Saya".Are there? Proof?Saya drew in more people over time, obviously. Its an interesting premise with Urobuchi Gen plastered all over it, if you think "visual novel" its impossible not to think of "Saya no Uta" alongside Fate. S;G is only massive because of the anime so can be disregarded in this case.
>>431417901There's nothing wrong with other mediums bringing people in. I started playing VNs because I wanted to read Toradora Portable
>>431417839Its mostly cute slice of life though if a bit boring
>>431417895You should probably go fap or something anon, calm those fantasies down.
>>431418139Nagisa is a boring heroine.
>>431417398Then stop wasting time by talking about it if you don't care? Like, are you expecting sales numbers of a free to play game distributed by a torrent file? You're just wasting everyone's time by joining a thread to say "this discussion covers what this discussion covers and not other things"
saya no SHITa didnt influence shit, if anything only gave the wrong idea of visual novels being short and shitty to those who read it
>>431418387I was being polite, but I'll tell you what it means: You are talking out of your ass
>>431417468doubtful, because the poll can only tell you what current /vn/ people think. you're never going to get people to be truthful, and you're never going to be able to see what % of people picked up their first vn in 2020 and don't know anything about what came before.
>>431417901>Are there? Proof?>Saya drew in more people over time, obviously.Very interesting how you demand proof then give baseless claims that make no sense.
>>431418428It gets plenty of references and crossovers though retard-kyun?
>special lessons by an old manUhh Takakobros....?
>>431417901You're probably actually retarded if you think VNDB numbers are actually consistent between JP and EVN titles. Again, look at Summertime Saga being like 2000th in popularity even though it's probably been read by more people than Saya>b-but Summertime Saga is mostly read by people that don't use vndb because it's evnyeah, I wonder if maybe Katawa Shoujo might be EVN too...?
>ESL desperately defending EVNsDon't know why this is so funny to me
>>431418789Why do all the characters look like boys in drag?
>>431418942trapge
>>431418965holy based, picked up.
>>431366386Is it ethical for lolis to jailbait?
>>431419087Improved
...
Another new release suddenly appeared on ryuugames. The VNDB page is practically empty so it must be a kamige.https://www.ryuugames.com/eng-magic-charge-duet-uncensored-rj364465/
Forehead chu.
when's new funy facege
>>431419967a nukige with shitty art has no reason to exist
>>431418645>make no sensehow does this make no sense? Its basic logic, it's been around for a very long time, made by an extremely popular author, has an unique, interesting premise, is short and extremely popular.Claiming it's baseless makes no sense.
>>431418843>Summertime Saga being like 2000th in popularity even though it's probably been read by more people than SayaVery funny. Talk to me again when you take your meds.
Are you supposed to reread the common route in VNs everytime you go for a heroine or do you guys just skip
>>431420678Multiple saves + don't waste too much time reading one VN.
>>431420427You're mentioning a lot of things and ignoring the 1 thing that matters: whether or not it was drawing new people into the medium. Normies were not seeing Saya and going "oh this is what I will go out of the way to do today". Saya is basically a famous 2nd or 3rd game because it's the thing people rec to newfags after they come in saying "I'm new, all I read was Katawa Shoujo, rec me stuff". Katawa Shoujo is a famous true gateway vn because it was free and shilled everywhere and anyone even mildly curious about "that game 4chan made" gave it a shot.
>>431420678It depends on the VN but most of the time you just skip the common route and go straight to the next route.
>>431420678If i’m going through it immediately after finishing a route I skip it most of the time, unless its a short common route or extra long branching route.
>>431420530Since you don't know the basics, lets go over some real quick:https://summertime-saga.en.uptodown.com/androidThat's a link to specifically 1 source of an unofficial download for an Android version of Summertime Saga. It has 59.5 MILLION downloads. How many people do you think actually read Saya? You're delusional if you think it's more than Summertime Saga.
>>431421229>arguing with meds fags
>>431420678I usually do, I don't play routes back to back, I wait a couple of weeks at least; And if the common route was boring then I'm probably not going to read any of the other routes anyways
>>431421229those creatures that download that garbage aren't people they are literal npcs
>>431420678Unless you've taken a long break or there are different options to take there is no reason to repeat the common route.
>>431421458thank you for conceding that you were wrong, now perhaps you should take those meds you were offering me
>>431421229nice bots
A second Yoshino just farted on my house
>>431421627i'm not the guy you were replying to you mong
How many more figures does Nanami needs? At this point she is most popular Yuzu heroine with the highest amount of merch she has received
Good morningI love imoutos, especially small and cute and lewd ones!
>>431419406We all know she has /pol/ minimized
>>431422001
Early to rise, early to read!Starting down the route with Devon, Everett, Alphonse, and Theresa. In the previous route, I gained a facial close-up CG of Theresa_____ and she had Bell sameface which was lame so I'm hoping the other girls get better CGs.
>>431422143>Bell samefaceyeah 1 of the CG artists just draws everyone that way
>>431420678Depends. Unless you're reading something like Canvas 2 where the heroine's route is within the common route.If I'm rereading a VN then maybe not unless I like the common route like Princess Evangile. If not then straight to a heroine's route.
>>431422143the art seems to get worse with every screenshot lmao
its about time..
>>431422483The burgers are waking up, post a typical burger breakfast
>>431416707all the S;G spinoffs look fucking atrocious
>>431422423these bait attempts get lower quality with every shitpost
>>431422797Thanks, i learned from the best (/vn/)
>>431422483
>>431422635I'm awake but eating a burger for breakfast isn't the best thing to do bros, eat eggs
>>431422797I know, before he would spam with huge walls of text praising that trashy writing and art anyone could tell was bad, now it’s just a sentence or two. If youre going to bait that hard at least commit to it the entire time, not that I’ll read the VN or his posts though.
>>431422635>mfw my american friend messaged me like 3 seconds after I read this
>>431422423I genuinely don't understand how anyone can read that shit without wanting to tear their eyes out
>>431423107these bait attempts get lower quality with every shitpost
I won't take my medication I don't want you guys to go away
>>431423052No worries bro, you can get a burger with a fried egg on it at most places, but only before noon, because american eggs are a biohazard and they have to deepclean everything they touch.
>>431423135this is how most people see anime art. clannad looks like complete alien bugshit. you get used to any artstyle you look at long enough.
at LEAST half the posts in this thread are me.
Is /vn/ actually a diverse and multicultural land?
All of these posts are me talking to myself, you are all passengers inside my head
>>431423378Why the avatar?
HAHAHAHAHA
>>431423414I look through my folder and randomly pick an image
>>431423246based
>>431423467That's what I do as well.
>>431423274>you get used to any artstyle you look at long enoughsounds like midwit reddit wisdom to me. bad things look bad no matter how long you stare at it.
>>431423445any... day... now...
>>431423580you sure seem to know a lot about reddit
>>431423637This is a reddit subsidiary after all
>>431423467Based
one day I dream of getting an unmosaic'd version of nekopara
>>431423732Just play wanko to kuraso
>/vn/
>>431423637EVN redditors have been flooding this general so it's hard to not notice how they behave and think
>>431423580yeah like anime art
>>431423274I miss the time when clannad would filter normalfags...The new art looks different
>>431423732>can't impregnate the catsDropped
>>431423834Cope and seethe. EVN are the future of the industry and only a mouth breathing retard would pretend otherwise.
>>431423812This is a loli lovers thread after all
I'm going to post a JOP thread!
>>431423812https://youtu.be/Rs0QusIX8WQ?t=30:^)
>>431423842the only things clannad filters are people with standards
>>431423910these bait attempts get lower quality with every shitpost
>>431424040Thanks for telling me that you don't have a counter-argument.
>>431423910Then you should make a general where posting about EVNs is actually allowed.
>>431424164Why? EVNs are VNs too.
>>431424101Not an argument, keep seething but don’t forget to medicate
>>431424216Wrong
