Big Black Bull edition1d4chan: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Total_War:_Warhammer/TacticsRoll Charts: https://imgur.com/a/LDnOBaL>Total War: Warhammer IIISteam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1142710/Total_War_WARHAMMER_III/>STUFFForge of the Chaos Dwarfs DLC: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2059190/Total_War_WARHAMMER_III__Forge_of_the_Chaos_Dwarfs/2.4 patch notes: https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tww3-update-240/Chaos Dwarfs trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiHvsinEn58Welcome to Forge of the Chaos Dwarfs blogpost: https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tww3_thechaosdwarfs_astragoth/Astragoth gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqeoqo87kgPerformance Increase for WH3 Guide - https://pastebin.com/QbpGpWvm>A Total War Saga: TroySteam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1099410/A_Total_War_Saga_TROY/>Total War: Three KingdomsSteam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/779340/Total_War_THREE_KINGDOMS/>Total War: Rome RemasteredSteam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/885970/Total_War_ROME_REMASTERED/last thread >>422577453
Thanquol soon, friends!
Chorfs WILL be good.3.0 WILL be good.Mirorrs of madness WILL be ok.We WILL get Dogs of WarWe WILL get another never ever raceWe WILL get more Legend streamsWe WILL get more sqvire artSTAY STRONG HOPECHADS, VICTORY IS AT HAND!
>>422622515Please... Nippon...
What's he screaming about /twg/?
>>422622551Well, the gobbo LH is wearing samurai armor...>>422622560BORN INTO A PACK..
>>422622560>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M A BEAR!!!!!!!!!! BRING ME BACK TO THE SNOWS OF KISLEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>422622560>>422622647https://youtu.be/6RlSgnpLbro Born into a packThere's no choice but take orders to attackLocked up in chains, I get fedBut the hunger still remainsNot content to live this wayBeing led by the blindGot to plan my dispersalTime to leave them all behind
>>422622560I declined his credit>>422622690If anything he's a mournfang but we haven't seen him in combat
>>422622647NIPPON WOULD SELL LIKE HOTCAKES YOU SHUTTUP
>>422622379never noticed he had a pair of skinned chaos dwarfs in cages on his mount. God I hope that makes it in. That Bale Tarus lookis a lot thicker and masuclar than the in game on tho.. holy shit it has balls as well, based GW
>>422622825I wasn't denying it as an option, maybe it's a hint
You will never ever feel this much attachment to anything
Hola?
>>422622940Stop posting this trash.
Chorf Roster / Unit Cards for those who haven't seen, it's missing the Hell Cannon, and 2 Dreadquake variants besides the standard one (Earth Shaker and magma rounds I believe?)
>>422623032>Triggered fleshbagLet me guess, also challenged height?
>>422622379>Here's your artifact bro
>>422622560>AAAAAUUUGGGHHH!!! MY MOUTH! MY MOUTH IS RED HOT! ASTRAGOTH YOU RAT! YOU WEREN'T USING THE OVEN TO BURN SACRIFICES TO HASHUTI! YOU WERE HEATING MY PIZZA UP TO GIVE ME THE OL' SPICY PIZZA!>HOW COULD YOU GIVE YOUR OWN CENTERPIECE UNIT THE SPICY PIZZA ASTRAGOTH?!
>>422622515Doomchads..Break him.
When are the ecelebs getting early access?
>>422623139
Guys, Ancient Empires was revived on Attila and changed name for the ones interested.
>>422623073I-it's also missing the siege giant unit card! hahahahaha, silly mistake CA!
>>422623428They haven't showed everything, yet. Stay with the plan.
>>422623428Skulls event will release it as FLC with unique animations, just like the skeletal giant
>>422623073>reskinned greenskins>reskinned dwarfs>reskinned beastmenAre the dog construct and the flame snake looking things the only actually new units?
>>422623209
>Total War: 4chan releasedWhat would the rosters be like?>Expendable /pol/ bot hordes>ultra-powerful wizards supported by trash infantry for /x/>/lbgt/ has advanced intrigue and powerful spells that cause mass friendly damage (roughly 56%)
>>422623073qrd on this guy?
>>422623598Sorry to tell you, but the big boy will 100% use Ice bear animations and most likely model skeleton.
>>422623598The bulls, the trains, the mortar, the lammasu and the LLs will have unique animationsthe bull centaurs looked like they did too
>>422623598What the fuck did you expect from a Chaos dwarf roster if not dwarfs?
>>422623428PROBABLY will be the Skulls for the Skull Throne event FLC unit>>422623598>reskinned greenskinsThey're greenskin slave units and hob goblins, of course they're gonna use the models>reskinned dwarfsT-they have tusks yes >reskinned beastmenThe bull centaurs? I guess?>Are the dog construct and the flame snake looking things the only actually new units?K'daai fireborn are 100% new yeah, the K'daai destroyer MIGHT be using the Kislev Bear or Dread Saurian skeleton but I doubt they'll use the same animations.
>>422623750Probably the Chaos Dwarf Immortals, could be a RoR or just an elite unit
>>422623598>flame snake looking thingsreskiined sepulchral stalkers
>>422622909Don't worry, those will be removed ingame, since this is a family-friendly game
Can somebody with a PhD in game development tell me why it's a smart decision to have 20 employees on your best selling product and 880 on what was already widely considered a failure last year.
>>422623073>8 of them are fucking (not)goblins>another 8 are just slightly different variants of the same unitbig oof!
>>422623750>Mom says its my turn on the xbox
>>422623750The Immortals, think of them as Chorf Chosen, what Grimgor named his "Da Immortalz" after, they were top of the top and the greenskins both respected and feared them cause they could go toe to toe with the black orc slaves. Why blackorcs, the TRUE blackorcs not the great weapons we have in the game use duel weapons.>>422623950Not an RoR not reusing a unit card for everyone else also we know the RoR's, highlighted in pic related 6 of them.
WAS IT WORTH IT YOU POINTY-EARED FUCK?
>>422624418Bro? Why does Valkia look like that.....?
>>422624418>that Valkia
>>422622940Bartor Greenskinbros... We lost...
>>422624418>That ValkiaOh for fucks sake. I know the Conehead is ugly as all hell but thats just UNCANNY.
Which race or faction(LL) do you think will get a free rework with 3.0?>Delf slavery copy paste>Gelt
>>422623073god this artwork is fucking soulless, i thought the fag that did the sisters and the americanrat improved
>>422624418death to weebs
>>422624418>Waywatchers (red)explain anon
>>422624562>>422624575>>422624663I know, it makes all her voicelines hilarious coming out of the fucking moeblob faceThere's a more serious helmeted model I might switch to
>>422624725Artwork looks better than the daemons and kislev at-least.
>unsupported AI grail knights/guardians lose to crabs on VHBretonnia isn't even a faction at this pointI would've won this if not for the relics, surprisingly.I didn't think to focus down the Fay first as I expected to whack her to death quickly in melee, and she just hit HP cap pretty quick but I couldn't close the kill. Definitely a victory if she were dead.The bomb bats also have targeting issues it seems, they did a bit of damage but not nearly enough for what they were up against.
>>422624708The most likely answer: NorscaThe real answer: No one
>>422622940based Settra mind breaking trannies
>>422624418grind yourself into a paste you coomer faggot
>>422624725the goblin one is the same as the normal goblin one among otherswhat's your issue
>>422624418unfathomably based
>>422624836Personally I prefer the crazy hair one.
>>422623073The hell cannon is in we saw it on the lets play the missing units are the siege giant, the weapon variants of the labourers and the black orcs and their weapon variants
>>422624725It's the same style as the reworked cards, you're forgetting how awful the Grom and Thrott cards were.
quick /twg/if I peace treaty with a dude because he asked and I accepted because he was annoying, will I take a reliability hit if my military ally asks me to join war against them again?we're at the meeting table and I told him I had to use the bathroom
>>422622940>Settra is the only lord for meYou are not HIM
>>422624849>haha I'll just melee this lord to death, I got a good melee character>spend the whole battle trying to kill them instead of just focusing all your ranged on them for a couple of volleysI too make this mistake sometimes, and every time, I get mad.
>>422625186I'm saying the IMAGE is missing the Hell Cannon and 2 dreadquake mortar variants we saw in the gameplay, also t3 hell cannon yummy yummy get in my chorf tummy. Also missing the blunderbuss variant, magmahail or something
>>422625279Yes.
>>422625279yes
>>422625279yes if it hasn't been 10 turns
>>422625279I know for certain that you do in rome 2 and attila as making war again within 10 turns is considered treachery, even if through an allies requestI'm mostly certain it's the same in warhammer
>>422622940>I am a girlstopped reading there
>>422625405>>422625407>>422625448>>422625517some of you are alright, don't go to hanyu port tomorrow
>>422624725they are alright but the chorfs look worse than the dorfs imo
>>422625295You don't know how skinny and frail i am buddy, i'll have you known my bones has less density than a snotling. So i'm the perfect OC TK mage. Who will naturally usurp that faggot Settra and make her my own.
>>422622940So when are TW games gonna be great again and be actual tactics games rather than a stat-checking, glorified cookie clickers for friendless illiterate trannies to replace mmorpgs with? I bet this same person would hate shogun 2 for being too difficult and hard for her small brain.
>>422622458thanquolposter you are based
>>422622379>>422623598>>422623917I just tested it in game, the Bull Centaurs are NOT using Centigor animationsThe Centigors do a sort of couched-spear charge, while the Bull Centaurs lower their heads to gore the enemy and jump into combatAlso the Bull Centaurs are left handed, meaning their attacks are completely swapped aroundLook at 2:33 of the Arstagoth video and you'll see what I meanhttps://youtu.be/NTqeoqo87kg?t=153
>>422626186>So when are TW games gonna be great again and be actual tactics gamesThe strategy still there if you play Bretonnia
Factions without negotiated military access shouldn't be able to go into the red circle around settlements, so that gates actually fucking work
>>422626749Based as shit anon, can you check the greenskin and chorf animations?
>>422626186>Yari-ashigaru simulator>Tactics
>>422626186retard
>>422626783>confuses tactics with strategy>apparently literally only one race is "strategic" (tactical?) out of like 20 or something
>>422627032>MUH UNIT DIVERSITY
>>422627160Still strategy as in the game 3 you fight against Belacuck
Damn Archaon is a tad bit broken. I dont think on any other campaign do I start running into situation where factions abandon their allies (even vassals) just to not go to war with me.
>>422622515esquire flc
>>422627160>>422627312Before you keep shitposting, explain your definitions of "strategy" and "tactics"
>>422627476Not him but he's probably using the actual definitions of strategy and tactics, as in strategic, tactical, operational
>>422627160WH3 is neitherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo4rXRKGX7I&t
>This action does not have my cons-AAAACK NO!*gulp**BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRP*
>>422627032Also, this is just wrong. You literally spam broken units all the time in Warhammer, retard. And second, unit variety is not the same as tactics. Imagine time traveling to the battle of Gettysburg and going, "THERE'S NO UNIT DIVERSITY! WHY DO THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME GUNS???"
>>422627619does he do anything else besides seethe about the existence of TWW
Why do shitposters falseflag as histoids?
>>422627317You don't understand... you can't "fight against" the Dark Master. Whatever you do, you're only following the role he set for you in his plan.
>>422626186Literally played FotS recently, you just stick your units in a line and then win. People pretending Shogun was tactically deep are retards.
>>422627753>he doesn't knowI am the dark master. I control the very fabric in the game via lua console and tables.
>>422627718No, he plays other ACTUAL tactics games like men of war.
>>422627613pretty much, yea
>>422627675Finally, a good post.
>>422627774It was tactically deep. You're literally complaining about a time period where line infantry was dominant. How retarded are Warhammer fanboys?Also play high elves or any other faction with broken ranged units. You literally stick your units in a line then win.
hey anons does anyone have the webm from the immortal empire trailer of Thorgrim saying 'short' thanks
>>422627476Probably thisWarhammer is lacking on the Strategic side for most factions, though anything with an emphasis on vassals and diplomacy like Warriors of Chaos, High Elves, Empire, Slaanesh etc. I would say has some Strategic gameplay. Also, any multiplayer campaign with more than 2 people is inherently more Strategic than any other Total War game in the entire series because it allows Strategy between more than two people, which goes beyond anything the AI has ever achieved. A 8 play Warhammer campaign with simultaneous turns has multiple human to human instances of Strategy playing out in real timeI also struggle to think of any truly Strategic Shogun 2 factions, the most Strategic the series ever got was 3 KingdomsAs for Operational an Tactical, it varies heavily based on faction. Anything using mixed arms I would say is just as Tactical if not more so than Shogun 2, because Warhammer has additional threats you have to account for such as flying units, single entities, magic, summons etc. whereas, despite what some people say, I honestly don't think Shogun 2 was really all that tactical a gameBut to be completely honest it's a little silly to be looking for this stuff in Total War of all series
>>422622379Billions must mine
>>422622647No he’s not he’s wearing south American Indian armor. Amazons confirmed.
>>422623742>/mlp/ is bretonnia with no knights riding the horses.
>>422622909>holy shit it has balls as well, based GWFaggot
https://voca.ro/1nbtqbiNgNLg
>>422627441what do you mean?
>>422628520>But to be completely honest it's a little silly to be looking for this stuff in Total War of all seriesRight. In Shogun 1, where they literally quote Sun Tzu, "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." Most midwit, Warhammer fanboy take I've ever seen. The sentence above invalidates whatever bullshit arguments you were making before. Not worth my time.
>>422629383Okay Laborer, already bought 236 copies of Forge of the Chaos Dwarfs. Seethe
>>422624418You will never be a woman, die troon.
>>422629535AI very rarely refuses to join a war when you attack their allies if you are powerful enough.
>>422623073I dislike how blended the background is for most of these, not very striking difference in shading for the background details or color. You'd think that making the background as distinct as the unit is a negative but the point is to differentiate the cards from eachother not showcase the unit. It works for the dwarfs here >>422625837
>>422629551Are you going to approach something nearing a point or just ook and eek like the ape that you are, screeching and flinging shit like its an argument?
>>422629705what is it about archaon that's special in that regard? it can't literally just be archaon the unit
>>422629860Chosen are very lopsided in terms of army strength might be part of it.
>>422629860You can become ultra powerful as Archaon when you just go along the coast and Vassalize literally everyone you can. Not to mention you are also extremely safe and can just go all in on offence since vassals and Dark fortress garrisons are incredibly strong defence by themselves.
>>422629830Already did, retard. Not going to repeat everything I already typed again. Go watch a volound video if text is that hard for you to understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M86F6ks0KUc&list=PLlmEEm6A0j5BqZmcDFQHFJeS64-Mg2uAH
Order the Warhammer races by highest to lowest iq
>>422629976At this point I could swap all my chosen for mega roided out Aspiring Champions. But ill still keep or so just because I love Tzeench and Khorne Chosen. Also Auto resolve freaking LOVES champions.
>>422630232>tumblrwhat did anon mean by this image?
>>422630424don't respond to the mermaid autist
>>422622515>We WILL get another never ever raceSIRS
>download astromancer variants mod>mfw I get calo nord
>>422629383https://voca.ro/18js1oXTyPmL
>>422630301fuck off Volound no one cars
>>422630156haven't played 3 yet, sounds cool, good to see chaos isn't dog ass like in 2
>>422630301Fuck off volound, you've posted literally nothing resembling a point, just your normal whinging about "muh stats" like stats haven't existed in literally every game.
Does Volound only shill on 4chan or does he infest other places as well?
>>422629383why is it that all self proclaimed comunists always sounds like they never worked a day in their life
>>422630619I really don’t want ind or kuresh. No one else does either, except redditors think they do, we need the hobgoblin khanate. This game is crucially missing a good horse archer army
>>422630843Warriors are arguably the strongest faction thanks to the Warbands system and Forced Vassalizations. Undivided are the standout because they get literally the entire toolkit and best 3 lords. And Belakor and Archaon can play pokemon to force confed all the others.Kholek gets completely out of hand too since he gains size, mass and Weapon strenght for every Vassal.
>>422630957He has an entire subreddit (started by him) all about listening to what he says. He also shills for the Russian Federation since last year.
>>422622647He's wearing Steppe Lamellar armor dipshit
>>422627031I skimmed through the video and I think the animations for Chaos Dwarf units and Slave units are copy-pastedThe Blunderbusses are definitly the same as Dwarf Thunderers as seen at 2:05The Orc Slaves seem to share Orc idle animations as seen at 6:00, they use Orc Boy attack animations despite having two weapons like Big Uns I guess because they have big heavy pickaxes?The generic Chaos Dwarf caster lords definitely have unique animations as seen at 8:20The Chaos Dwarf Warriors seem to share animations with regular Dwarf Warriors as seen at 9:59The Taur'Uk seems to have different animations from the other Bull Centaurs, as seen at 16:40I couldn't find good footage of the gobbos or hobgobbos, if they were even there they were too short to be seen and the game never really focused on the few hogobs Astragoth had in his armyOne thing I did notice which is kind of cool is that if you look at the Dwarf Warrior animations and the Bull Centaur animations, you do sort of get the feeling that these are almost the same species. Both of them leap into combat in a similar way, both hold their weapons in a similar way. I'm not saying it's a copied animation, just a cool detail
>>422631182wtf I like Volound now!
>>422631114You also forgot to mention how chaos warriors are super easy to recruit and strong as FUCK. I said this the other thread but Chaos warriors went from the least fun faction to the most fun faction
>>422631289>communist Incel tranny shills for the country that brown people and communist tranny incels shill forSo heckin Zased.
>>422626783yeah that peasant cap mechanic sure requires a lot of strategy
I unironically think that this might be Volound namedropping himself, instigating fights, posting vids so people talk about him.
>>422631235Also Great Taurus has unique animations as seen at 18:33
>>422631459You'd be surprised so many retards got filtered by peasant economy
>>422631458>buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword Get help.
>>422631235Thank you tester chad o7
>>422631310Thats warbands for you.
>>422630810wait a minute...i.I talked about the chorf trailler when it dropped and that it looked p cool and they gifted it to me after do ..I have a suggar mommy..
>>422631469Obviously. His name gets mentioned way too much here for someone so fucking irrelevant. I googled his YouTube like he desperately wants us to do and he gets like 300 views per vid lol.
This general is full of schizos.But it's still one of the least schizo generals on /vg/
>>422631037>good horse archer army>it's literally a faction composed entirely of Wolf Rider ArchersWow!You'd be better off expanding the steppe tribes of humanii or throwing Ghorros up there. Hobgoblets are delusional.
>>422631458baZed
I would like to wish all the "chorfs should have black orks" fans a happy go fuck yourselves, chorfs having black orks is unloreful, as funny as it would be to see the sjw meltdown from having black orks as labourers, for the last fucking time, the chorfs dont use black orks because the blorks are too good at rallying the other slaves to revolt.
>>422626749>>422631235>>422631519So Chaos Dwarf monsters, heroes and lords probably all have unique animations but their infantry doesn'tNeat
>>422631558>countries are a buzzword comrade sister, join my discord to learn more!Take your meds post modern troon goon
>>422631182why would anyone ever shill for any slavs, especially if youre from the westkek, lmao even
more russia is evil vs russia is good shills.go away.>>>/pol/
Reminder to go SOUF, not NORF.
>>422631683>it's literally a faction composed entirely of Wolf Rider ArchersNo. Hobgoblin horse archers, hobgoblin lancers, hobgoblin elite heavy armored horse archers, hobgoblin elite heavy armored cavalry.Play more historical total war chudcel!>pfft no one would play as the mongols it’s just all heccin horse archers!
>>422630424What's wrong with tumblr? It's good for like new active art, twitters search system sucks and deviantart like only low resolution images
>>422629221Just because you're intimadated by symbols of strength and masculinity and arealistic depicition of a bull doesn't mean we all are anon
Markus doesn't care who you send, he's NOT paying taxes.
>>422631916>chudcelImagine someone unironically using that irlI hate e-speak so much it's unreal
>>422630934>>422630825>They think im voloundOnly NOW they think I'm volound when I start posting his videos. I didn't know until just now there was a bit of a taboo on this general about volound. Enjoy the echo chamber, Warhammer fanboys.>whinging about "muh stats" like stats haven't existed in literally every game>Points out that warhammer and new total war games in general are less about tactics and more about statistics, literally been an issue since Rome 2 where phalanx units are so broken even DEI can't make them route normally when enveloped>STOOOOOP! Points I don't like are not points!!!!>>422631182I agree with volound's take on the direction of the total war series. Literally doesn't mean I agree with everything he's ever said about some irrelevant topic. Are you only capable of thinking in terms of 1s and 0s? (He's with US or with THEM! e.g. a herd animal)
>>422630810Voloud would probably fap to Morathi insulting him
>>422623209>>422623723fucking kek
>>422631916So wolf riders (armored) (slow, for a wolf)you sure showed me. even a placeholder orcs and goblins faction is more interesting in a game with this much faction varietythe faction has no place as anything other than a rogue army or being rolled into the chaos dwarfs, CA never does filler factions with reduced rosters or we'd have the moot, albion, khuresh, fimir tribes, whatever already filled out
>>422632079Mald harder chuddie wuddie.
>>422631683>No one would play the wolfarchermanii, better off adding a horsearchermanii faction instead!Most intelligent Kurgan/Hung fan.
>>422632206What the fuck am I looking at..
I want to be a rat, I want to be a raaaAAAAAAaaat
>>422631037>we need the hobgoblin khanate>we need an army consisting of six total units with a theme that literally nobody enjoys playing against>we need this when there are already 3 other factions that fulfill that theme while also doing other shit
>>422631037you dont need an entire new faction for shitty goblins horse archers, most likely ca will add some extra goblin units to chaos dwarfs, if they ever do it to begin with. Also concerning the oriental new factions, they either go ball deeps and make a faction dlc for all or they dont make nothing at all, at best they make some kind of mercenary dlc where they add some units like samurai from nippon, tigerman from ind, snakeman from kuresh, etc...
>>422632254They'd have access to the rest of the norscan roster unlike the hobgoblins and orcsNgobs who are 100% apart
>>422632227Yeah you’re pretty right, Ok fine, I’d honestly be perfectly happy with getting a hobgoblin khanate green skin LL with like 5 more units of hobgoblin wolf archer variants and some infantry maybe, and like Grom does to goblins, the hobgoblin LL would give shit loads of bonuses to hobgoblin units
>>422632305Flickthethief's art, porn artist mostly does warhams.
>>422632371Hobgoblins have zero business being in the (broadly renamed) orcs and goblins faction. Even gnoblars have a greater claim.
>>422632320A modder anon from /twg/ already figured out how to make ranged cavalry good, you just have them fire multiple projectiles at once
>>422632320in fairness, amount of loreful units doesn't matter as seen with Cathay and Kislev, GW let CA basically make shit up, no reason they can't do it again for the khanate, but to be honest, I don't care about anymore races, finish the rosters of the factions already in the game.
>>422623750Immortals, they look the part, however lore wise the Immortals had this poleaxe as their main weapon (and some had tower shields with said poleaxe). Don't mind the Infernal Guard look of the Chorf, it was made well before the dream of a Chaos Dwarf DLC for Total War, so the guy went with the then most up to date Chaos Dwarf look.
>>422632505Kill yourself and go to hell faggot.
>>422632353Why would a Kurgan faction have the entire norscan roster aswell?It seems like you want Norsca with a horse archer unit tacked on (which is retarded seeing as chorfs are a thing now) While i want a fully realised standalone army with a focus on horsearchermanii
>>422630490
>>422632551lol
*BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP*HNNNNNGH! SO FULL!Ariel was a real mouthful!*belch*
>>422631586what's warbands?
>>422632667the name for their recruitment and upgrade mechanic
>>422632551Angry hobbo gobbo detectedSeethe hobbo gobbo!Cry hobbo gobbo!Kvetch hobbo gobbo!You'll never be a greenskin hobbo gobbo!You're chorf bitch hobbo gobbo!
>>422632526Both CHY and KYS were 100% made by GW and then given to CA for the game. That's why Kislev has very little of its old grounded look.
>>422632667You don't recruit units from building, you upgrade pre-existing units via their chevrons.
>>422631469I'm literally not. I'm just some guy who found his videos and after thinking about his points agreed. At first I really liked Warhammer 2, and still do to some degree, but I realized the series became more about spectacle rather than actual strategic thinking, you can see this with how they still haven't fixed the difficulty in these games, FOCUSING MORE ON STATS than having the AI put you in underdog situations where you HAVE to think tactically about terrain, formations, etc. rather than cheesing with single entity units to waste enemy ammo or have the ai retardedly chase the general around the map. See shogun 2 on legendary Oda spams multiple stacks of yari samurai from the beginning of the campaign.
>>422623950>>422624346>>422632545They have to be RoR because Chaos Dwarfs were supposed to launch with "26 new units" and if they were regular units it would be 27
>>422632740yes they are. They know their place unlike those dumb uruks
where's the rat dlci need more skaven favoritism
>>422633003Cathay won't get anything until later
>w-we wuz khans, but den stunties took everyfing..
Any time that mermaidfag pops up this general turns to shit. Coincidence? I think not.
>>422633183seethe harder hobbo.
>>422633268I like total war more than youI'm excited for the chaos dwarves even though I previously didnt care about them, the conclave seats looks fun
>>422632941Cope and seethe on release day I guess, those are the immortals and aren't an RoR
>>422632953ok gnome
>>422633441>I like total war more than youIf you did then you wouldn't be constantly shitting up the thread with off topic images you retarded whore.
The fuck is going on in this thread.
>>422633589On topic, and also I obviously play total war while Im posting here, you're the retarded whore
So which Chaos Dwarf LL is going to be the coolest?
>>422633541IM NOT A GNOME IM NOT A GNOME YOURE A GNOME YOU FUCKING GREENSKIN I HATE YOU YOURE DUMB AND STUPID ONLY GOOD FOR LABOUR AND WORKING IN MY FACTORIES TO MAKE MY ARMAMENTS.
a pyramid is a pyramid I suppose
>>422633674>Check ogre Stereotype>Has not played in monthskek
>>422633896The hobbo gobbo..OH WAITNO HOBBO GOBBO LL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASeethe you green cunts.A hobbo gobbo will never lead chorfs nor other greenskins in battle without cheats HAHAHAHAHA
>>422633674Warhammer fanboys losing their minds someone else doesn't like mindlessly clicking buttons and raising numbers all day.
>>422633674>picks a different WoC lord every timefuck, that's me.>it'd be cool to play Vilitch and run around with some big birds>get 40 turns in and remember that they only have 2 weak bound spells, have to play Tzeentch to get them at full power from the tech tree>start a new game as kairos>fuck I'd love to have a little nurgle healing with my horrors>play daniel>fuck this sucks>pick Vilitch>repeat
>>422632927Warhammer is pretty braindead yes, but total war in general has never been to complex to begin with. Hammer and anvil is literally the bread and butter of every battle, the only way to lose a battle is beacause the AI outnumbered you more than usual
>>422633996Why are you bald?
Someone mentioned a 'Miao corruption mod' last thread.I'm curious.What did he mean by that.
>>422633674>wood elf fan>surprisingly racistI agree but don’t really find it surprising whatsoever. It’s like being surprised when a liberal is racist.
>>422633961Whatever you say gnomie
>>422634147Lover's lab
>>422633674>Cathay>fetishes how does playing an empire-like faction mean you must be some weirdo with dozens of fetishes?
>>422634147there's a nsfw mod that makes it so that miao is actually affected by slaanesh corruption, and the gift of slaanesh causes her to get more and more naked and its basically a slaanesh bimbofication mod for Miao Ying.
>>422632740You took this Too far :( hobgoblins are valid green skins and need a LL
>>422634228Sir, is this your first time visiting /twg/?
>>422634195>>422634270By the Emperor.That's terribly arousing and absolutely fucking horrifying.
>>422634228because the main differentiating feature is that it has women and is far easier to play
>>422634358yes
>>422634360It was spammed here along with Slaany corruption art last yearShe birth demons on the battlefield btw
>>422634416All the cathay fags are scalie pedophiles and troons
>>422629221>tfw I also have balls>tfw might be gay
>>422633526From the store page:>Command a comprehensive army roster of over 26 new units, featuring the baleful Chaos Dwarf war machine trains and the new K’daai Destroyers, alongside some of the Old World’s cruellest infernal warriors>26 new unitsObviously RoR and Hellcanons aren't included in that, but it still doesn't add up to 26 if Immortals are a regular unit
>>422631027Neither did Marx so maybe it's just built in
>>422634581>"over 26 new units">anon still thinks that there MUST be 26 units and NO MORE.
>>422634564>omg gw is so fucking based for giving the big black bull model big black balls holy fuck I can’t stop gooning to them.>”yo dude that’s kinda gay”>WHAT ARE YOU ASHAMED OF YOUR MASCULINITY OR SOMETHING FAGGOT YOURE PROBABLY A GAY FAGGOT WHO WAS MOLESTED AND IS FUCKING GAY NOW
>>422634497When theyre not just thirsting over Miao in human form
>>422634697"Over" is obviously referring to RoRs, lords and heroes
So completely unrelated to the corruption mod, how do I enable mods to be turned on that aren't activated via the workshop?
>>422634719I think voreposter is the only one who fetishizes Miao in dragon form, could be wrong though.
>>422634049Yeah I don't think it's a coincidence that these sort of criticisms always seem to be written by people who never played any historical TW game long enough to be bored with it, and also conveniently don't understand the Warhammer games very well either. TW battles have always been easy, the battle AI has always been braindead. If you were any good at them at all you were already handicapping yourself for years and years and intentionally playing in non optimal ways to have fun with it.
>>422634386Warhammer should have more female units but who am I to suggest we tone down the sausage fest just because GW came up with with designated shameless horny factions to excuse lack of diversity in individual armies like Sisters of battle and Daughters of Khaine
>>422634581Why are these unit cards so blatantly traced?
>>422634813The corruption mod discord tells you how in its FAQ
>>422634813save them into your warhammer mod folder, if there isnt one, make one, then you can just switch it on like any other steam mod.
>>422634869Prove they are traced schizo Trumpchud.
>>422634794'over' usually does count the duplicates/RoRs/Versions, etcBasically 26 is the 'safe' number (someone won't call you a fag, for example, if you consider a weapon switch to be a fully unique weapon).>>422634905Thanks.
>>422634813Put them in your game directory and activate them in the CA cheat manager or the other unofficial one.It's shit by the way, just a really belabored (pun intended) drawn out way to watch the author jerk off to some pretty poor writing and low quality titty jpgs, the "appeal" is clearly mostly in his head. Daemon portal vagina is kind of funny I guess.
>>422634865Why should warhammer have more female units? It has plenty already, they just aren't human (and for good reason)>>422634869the goblins are supposed to look like the original goblins, doomnigger
>>422634581Dyslexia freaks like this anon and Mermaidtard deserved to be bullied off of all platforms
>>422634972Getting an actual Slanneshi bimbo is just fine by me.At least someone made an attempt, even if it is just a low quality mod shitter.
>>422635081Mermie poster is immune to bullying
>>422634049You're literally saying the same shit that retard above said. Saying you literally stand in a line and shoot in FotS, when in warhammer you do the same but its DUMBED DOWN and abstracted away with increased emphasis on numbers, on higher difficulty melee units are practically useless because they increased the numbers of the enemy more than you. The enemy having increased stats or a larger army? Which is more complex and tactically interesting?Pointing out the dominant style of warfare doesn't change the fact that total war games are LESS COMPLEX, LESS TACTICAL. See Rome 2 and onwards.
Is some1 played with Kroq's pompus memestack?Kroq + Croack + 2 oracles/heavens/beasts, it's 8 slots taken.So with 12 slots left, i think 8 about zaurus + 4 chiefs. Or 6/6 will be better?
Personally, I blame the ratfags
>>422635230In Warhammer you do the same but you have to deal with flying units, spells, summons etc.There's more complexity because there's more types of threats, the closest Shogun 2 gets is ship bombardments (which are also a thing in Warhammer)
>>422635078It's not just that though. Look at the poses of all of the chorf infantry. They're stood flat on the ground in battle-ready poses. Usually unit cards are stylized and dynamic and might even show the unit doing something the model can't actually do.Many of these have clearly been drawn over screenshots of the in-game models
>>422635230>melee units are practically uselessanother person who never plays the game
>Warhammer's more complex, when I win if I have the best AP missiles, spell casters, and AP monstersHm...
>>422635078>they just aren't humanAnd yet all 3 games deny me warhammer short stacked dwarves.
>>422635230>on higher difficulty melee units are practically useless because they increased the numbers of the enemy more than youYou mean exactly like in every other TW game? The AI has always, ALWAYS gotten huge stat buffs on higher difficulties.
>>422635437Khorne (particularly, per no magic), norsca, orcs and goblins, slaanesh, nurgle, and a number of other melee factions can win without crutching on thatwhy are you like this?
>>422635437>Shogun's more complex, when I win if I have the best ranged troopsHm...
>>422635537>no dwarven woman unit giving lots of regen to the Dawi with good cooking and lots of loveThe real despair in Warhammer is the lack of hope between the moments of despair, bros...
>>422635437>>422635393Hop in VC volound sisters, we just owned these Fantacissy chudhammer incels.
>>422635368>In Warhammer you do the same but you have to deal with flying units, spells, summons etc.No? It's AI should have to deal with that shit that player abuse.Warhammer compared to historical series so fucking easy since so many broken things.Also>b-but magic and flyersNot worth simplified and removed mechanic.
>>422634715no one here mentioned gooning/cumming to 'big black balls on a big black bull' but you anon, I was just impressed GW didn't self censor themselves when it came to genitals like they have with tits on deamonettes.
>>422634581Rolling
>>422635779>It's AI should have to deal with that shit that player abuseKys third world brown monkey esl
>>422635649>when I win if I have the best ranged troopsHm...
>>422634852>Yeah I don't think it's a coincidence that these sort of criticisms always seem to be written by people who never played any historical TW game long enough to be bored with itSpeak for yourself. Shogun 2 is still my most played total war game by far.>conveniently don't understand the Warhammer games very well either.Except I do? I played hundreds of hours of warhammer 2.>TW battles have always been easy, the battle AI has always been braindead. If you were any good at them at all you were already handicapping yourself for years and years and intentionally playing in non optimal ways to have fun with it.Dark Souls is easy if you've played hundreds of hours of the game. It's also funny you guys conveniently ignore my point that the games are more about numbers than tactics, coping by saying numbers have always been in total war, how dumb the AI is, pointing out the dominant style of warfare for the period, just constant cope holy shit.inb4, everything is subjective cope. it doesn't matter if a game is worse because all that matters is that YOU find it fun. don't have any standards in life.
>>422635437>>422635649Why can't you both just admit that Total War hasn't been strategic since Med 2Shogun - 2/10 too much ashigaruEmpire and Napoleon - good idea, but TCAL didn't really know how to make range the focus effectively.Rome 2 - regarded to be the best historical total war, but it was rough for about 3 years, and battles are still dumbed down compared to Med 2 and Rome 1Rome 1 - Total War would not have released ANY of the above if this game wasn't released and was in my opinion the true best total war.
>>422635779Except that Warhammer has 8 player games so you can have actually tactical battles>>422635943https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oEnQzAzvXE>Stand in a line>WinHm...
>>422635943Sorry I don’t understand vatnik monkey scribbles chud.
>>422635975After thinking about it, I bet the same people here would be defending Rome 2 with the same arguments, just like legendoftotalwar. Boring little community are we?
>>422635538>You mean exactly like in every other TW game? The AI has always, ALWAYS gotten huge stat buffs on higher difficulties.Yeah but in older total wars you can still morale break them and pull off a heroic victory that way despite the stats.In Warhammer you get your heroic victories from out-valueing your opponent (usually with copious amounts of AoE damage) rather than getting a clutch morale-break since in Warhammer the units that break won't cause a chain-rout and they'll come back many times before they're shattered so it becomes less of a factor.
Fuck you whoever mentioned corruption. Now I'm on a terrible fetish rabbit hole with a game that's supposed to be about strategy.
>>422635943
>>422636195You’re in the pipeline incel, in about three months you’ll be trans and in a loli discord.
Shogun 2 is the worst Total War game ever madeI didn't enjoy it at all, far too easy and braindead battles
>>422636195There's only 3 afaik, Tzeentch for Katarin and Slaanesh for Miao and Morathi, but that was months ago, there might be more now.
>>422636360They're working on one for Valkia.
>>422622379'EY!I JUS MARCHED ALL THE WAY OVAH HERE TO BE PART OF THE ARMY OF THE...*pulls out flyer*Armies of da Chayos Stunties!Hear 'dey pay a gobbo good gold tah fuck up their enemies for 'em! Yooz know anyting about dat?
>>422636195As a corruption connoisseur I must insist that you acquire taste
Legendary lords for this feel?
>>422636360Main modder is still on Morathi but there's side projects like Valkia, Imrik x Miao, and overhauls for Wood Elves and Beastmen
>>422636349Yeah Shogun 2 was the game where the brilliant battle AI would literally shit itself in the face of player range superiority, and that was only one huge problem it had.
>>422636349Actually, Rome 2 is still the worst Total War game ever made. I didn't enjoy it at all, far too easy and braindead battles.
>>422623742>/k/ is the mandatory gunpowder faction>/fit/'s only ranged options are throwing a discus>/sp/ devolves into a civil war every time something major happens anywhere at all on the map>/b/ starts off as an old expansionist empire but quickly gets eaten away and falls to irrelevance beyond its borders>/v/ declares war on every faction it meets the turn it meets them
>>422636025>Except that Warhammer has 8 player games so you can have actually tactical battlesLet's assume i bring my pompus memestack (completed before turn 80 btw on my current campaign), so your army have ~-90 morale before even battle start.I sure it's very actually tactical game where you can use only units with unbreakable trait or have instant routes.>https://www.youtube.com>NOOO IT'S DON'T COUNT MELEE ARMY CAN'T WIN REEEEELmao.
>>422636145Imagine beign so retarded so can't understand what is drawn in UI
>>422636726learn English, I'm begging you
>>422636201?
>>422636513And Warhammer games are the only total war where sending ikit claw, totally alone, and having him run in circle makes the AI waste all their ammo, and get mowed down by ratling guns.
>>422636951its the guide for direct LOS weaponsonly applicable to WH1 and 2 since 3 is still a fucking buggy mess that CA wont fix
>>422636932Fuck yourself and get relax grammar nazi.
Why isn't my agent success chance 100%? I mean, I'll just savescum if it fails
>>422637035Nice? But why you post it?
>>422637196I didn't
>>422637151Yikes, savescumtroons are even lower then cheatfags.
>>422637151I remember legend saying you can only savescum once, and then its set in stone what result you get.
>>422636993Meh. In Med 2 I'd just stack up a couple of general units and destroy any AI army easily.In Shogun 2 all you had to do was bring an army with more firepower and the AI would run back and forth getting shot to pieces, no distraction gimmicks necessary. Med 1 was famous for it's invincible Jedi Generals that would solo multiple armies. Games always been easy to cheese if that's how you want to play.
>>422636349Fall of the Samurai fixed Shogun 2. However Vanilla Shogun 2 is still miles above Rome 2 and anything pre-Rome 1
>>422637221Unless it’s right before the turn end which will reset the seed
>>422637221So legend is retard.You need just load prev turn save, it's easy to savescum if there no hard battles.
>>422635081Whats wrong wtih daily sex?
>>422636172Yeah ever since Rome 2 chain routing doesn't exist anymore because morale apparently doesn't matter. Every unit acts in total stat-checking isolation of each other. Boring.
>>422637151the rolls are pre determined each turn
>>422634932Do I just make a folder called 'mods' and put it in the Warhammer 3 folder?
>>422636172>>422637554>t. never played terror factions
why is total warhammer 3 not cracked yet, Hogwarts legacy was cracked within 2 weeks
>>422633674>high elveswow this is literally me
>>422637581put the files in the data folderfor me its C; > Program Files(x86) > Steam > Steamapps > common > Warhammer 3 > data
>>422637830One game has no real hype.One game was given free and never ending advertisement by the 41%.
>>422637830Just take it when on sale and unlock dlcs.
>>422637554You can alleviate it with changing some files, essentially (atleast imo) the issue is that the amount of nearby units that can be affected by a unit routing is limited, and it's only -3Which means that you can at most get a -9 morale debuff from nearby routing units. You can mod it to increase the -3 from nearby units (I use -5) and either increase the amount of units that can be effected, or uncap it completely by setting it to 40, which is what I do
>>422637974Thanks senpai.
>>422637995>>422637830Denuvo, very few crackers can break it and those that can charge like 500 dollars, might as well buy the game instead of paying 500 for a crack.
>>422637381My point is that the cheese is far more egregious than ever before, thanks to single entities. I don't recall cheese strategies being as effective in Shogun 2, especially when battles get large enough and the AI has more melee and cavalry. The point is that the games are less 'play how you want to' and more 'if you want to play this like an actual tactical battle, by all means, get your ass kicked' i.e. punishing the player for playing a battle simulator like an actual battle.
>>422637830there's basically only one person that can do it and they're insane, they cracked the potter game out of some weird grudge and they don't even like trans people
>>422637830Because Warhammer 3 is relatively cheap for the amount of time people usually play it, and Hogwarts Legacy is really good and was really widely talked about. Even though like theres like a lot more time played for warhammer 3, it's less mainstream talking about
>>422638123Denuvo gets broken all the time?
>>422637697With terror you still gotta bring them down to around 30 leadership which is a tall order against a bunch of factions at this point with all the leadership buffs you can stack. And I'm not talking longbeards. Bretonnian/Empire halberds can easily get leadership in the 90s. Having a mobile terror unit is definitely good but the terror routed unit is gonna come back again and again so you still have to deal with them eventually.
>>422638247>Hogwarts Legacy is really good
>>422638247>Hogwarts Legacy is really goodIt isn't and you're delusional mermaidtard.
>>422638270only because people pay a specific cracker to do it. But they charge quite a lot. Look into it.
>>422636461Of course my emerald skinned companion, we've only the best reimbursement plans for our valued labourers! You'll have one entire meal per day, lashed with care from dawn till dusk, all the agonizing, backbreaking work you can stomach and more! All this is yours you just need to sign on the dotted line; sell your soul today and get a 200 shekel rebate at the company store!
>>422638270Not really. Look up Denuvo games released in 2022 and see how few of them were cracked.
>>422638318>>422638305I like it and a large amount of people also like it. I know "X amount of people say its good, so it is!" is a bad arguement but I like the game even if it's underbakedHow is liking a game delusional, you like total war even though pretty much every total war is unfinished
>>422636726>i bring my pompus memestackGood luck, i'm behind 19 slayersAnd am also a slayer myself
>>422638180>My point is that the cheese is far more egregious than ever before,It's really not>I don't recall cheese strategies being as effective in Shogun 2, especially when battles get large enough and the AI has more melee and cavalryLOL>The point is that the games are less 'play how you want to' and more 'if you want to play this like an actual tactical battle, by all means, get your ass kickedI can't actually fathom being so bad at Warhammer that you feel forced into a single playstyle, much less having to resort to cheese just to win.
Doesn't denuvo harm legitimate users' systems, though?
>>422637425Wait, how did fots fix shogun 2 again? Fots is just shogun 2 dlc.
>>422638596from what i've read, it can cause performance issues for the games it is on, but the source is people who didn't give specs so their rigs may be shit.
I don't want strategy, I want OPERATIONSgive me spreadsheets of economic allocation and logistical headaches i have to plan out meticulously thirty turns in advance before i can carry out a siege. I want to have to have to track wagons and river boats to ensue my forces can remain in supply. i want an entire campaign brought to a screeching halt because the mud season lasted an extra week. i want my army to collapse into shambles because i dared to walk into a steppe region, not "attrition" horseshit i want my army to be incapable of fending off three fit horsemen. pitched battles will be a hypothetical concept for 85% of the player base as they will not be able to do anything without at least an education in calculus math.
>>422638487Well, so your slayers all shooted to death.Bcs, you know, the slowest dyno in stack have 68 speed + aoe buff 40%.I hope you enjoyed your actually tactical combat.
>>422638768If you want all of that retarded bullshit then go play a paradox game.
>>422637563Yeah but I just need to succeed 5 times and I'm in range of like 7 different targets, all with already determined rolls. Plus I can just load the turn save if nothing happened for a new seed every time
>>422638982lol like a paradox game has any of that shit
>>422638808Shooted to death by what? Because certainly not a pompous doomstack. That has no chance of killing slayers without getting into melee whatsoever.
Why are people so excited for Chorfs? I just don't get it
>>422639127simpleC O N T E N T
>greenskins attack my undefended settlement>think they're going to take it and i'll have to take it back>they just sacked it ran off>'oh no big deal then'>realize they destroyed a building and left a big ol pile of shit that i have to clean up first>laugh hystericallywhy are greenskins so fucking based
>>422639127i'm a little pay piggy, the less content i get and the more i pay for it the harder i get
>>422639127Theyll add something to the fuckin darklands thats not just 3-4 greenskins factions that grimgor eats instantly
>>422634581what's the rundown on19?
>>422639127Looks like they're gonna have really good campaign mechanics as far as Warhammer factions go and they're gonna limit their Dwarf units with unit caps forcing them out of their comfort zone (which is to play exactly like a Dwarf army would with tough infantry, gun-line and artillery).
>>422637830The real question is: Why the fuck this game is not on console.
>>422639127It's the first content drop in 8 months. It could have been fucking Pygmies and people would still be excited.
>>422638591>It's really notcontradiction, wow>LOLlol>I can't actually fathom being so bad at Warhammer that you feel forced into a single playstyle, much less having to resort to cheese just to win.Are you an illiterate Warhammer fanboy or what? It's ALWAYS suboptimal to play any faction in Warhammer without using some form of cheese. Inb4 been a problem in all tw, the point made is more its getting worse, and problems are not being addressed despite the franchise peaking about a decade ago. You're assuming I need to cheese in order to win like this is some competition, are you an animal or what? I bet I could rape you in total war multiplayer.
how does physical power in warhammer work, exactly? shouldn't grimgor and guys like that be like, less than a footnote tier next to mages? he's just an orc with an axe
*clicks unit*
>>422639083>nooo your missiles can't shoot me>nooo your spells can't shoot meAs expected from twwh tactical combat enjoyer.
>>422639636it's basically dynasty warriors logic, battles are just things that naturally occur around main characters while they scream at each other and duel for thirty days while all the b-listers die around them
>>422639509>Inb4 been a problem in all tw, the point made is more its getting worse, and problems are not being addressed despite the franchise peaking about a decade ago.No, the thing you don't understand is that Total War was simpler and easier a decade ago than it is now. Vastly, vastly easier. Your "point" requires you to pretend this isn't true, so I will continue to laugh at you.
>>422639670Nigger you're playing a pompous stack you literally don't have missile units. And not a single mount option for ligger heroes can in any way clear loose infantry efficiently.
>>422639083>>422639843NTA but nothing beats a pompous doomstack if they're on Stegadons.
>>422638768Based
>>422638768Although I still hold Shogun 2 (FotS is DLC, thus I include it with Shogun 2) is the best TW game tactically, Rome 2 with the Divide et Impera mod literally is the best game strategically, judging by your preference. The supply/manpower system literally makes the campaign much more interesting, along with a shitload of unit variety. Warhammer 2 isn't as good as either because it's a more braindead spectacle than anything else, betraying the original inspiration for the franchise to sell digital action figures. Although to be fair, Warhammer definitely captures the spectacle of war pretty well.That or play Stellaris or some other paradox game. Civilization is overrated and boring.
>>422639843>noo you not allowed to use stegadons as mountsLmao you retard.
>>422622560>A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR?
>>422639636In lore spellcasting can't really be spammed since you risk growing a dick on your wrist or exploding your kidneys or whatever the fuck fate has in store for you.Grimgor's also gork's champion, or maybe mork's. God influence is funky like that.
>>422639636Humie mages are shit and the only Elf mages that fought Grimgor weren't trying to kill him, they were trying to convince him to go krump Archaon as far as I am aware.
>>422622940Cute!
THOONDABARGE
Why are skaven cute?
>>422639928And i'm going to tell your right now you're wrong. Ungrim buffed slayers beat the brakes off mounted dinos unless they're max ranked and well equipped but in that case I now have a shit load of thanes all unbreakable.>>422640187Read my lipsYour stegadonsStill with me?are fucking awful at clearing loosely packed infantry
>>422622515>We WILL get Dogs of WarRogue armies are already in the game anon.
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>>422630807kek, havent thought about him in a while. always thought it was a silly outfit.
>>422640397it doesn't seem like grimgor would be able to do anything against archaon logically
>>422639802>No, the thing you don't understand is that Total War was simpler and easier a decade ago than it is now.No retard, YOU don't understand. Total war was more complex and interesting than it was a decade ago because it had less emphasis on NUMBERS where ACTUAL BATTLE TACTICS such as flanking, formations, and terrain actually MATTERED MORE.>Your "point" requires you to pretend this isn't true, so I will continue to laugh at you.Your "point" requires you to pretend that the total war games are more """complex""" i.e. """UNIT DIVERSITY""" despite the fact every other aspect of a tactics simulator is being dumbed down. Also, he has to resort to "laughing" at me by typing that he's laughing! Boring. Next.
>>422640641>vs AI>Still with me?No! As you say there >>422636025 it should be 8 player acually tactical combat.Not abuse poor AI.Gitgud next time, loser.
>>422640827He kicked him in the nuts then fucked off
>>422640827he was empowered by gork (gork and mork are both said to be a match for any one of the chaos gods) and the wind of beasts, he was probably the single most powerful non chaos entity in the final battle other than Sigmar
>>422640898Then burden of proof is on you. You cannot micro 20 units as well as the AI can and if your stack is so strong, supposedly, even shitty AI should be able to take it and win.But it can't, against unbuffed, unranked slayers stegadons and carnosaurs get wrecked. And if you think that is somehow happening at turn 200 and they're all max ranked and fully equipped well i got bad news for you son 19 fully decked out thanes will still beat the shit out of them.
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>>422640018Ill give that mod a try, thanks!Its not just the difficulty, Ive kind of hungered for a war game where the lower level material element is better represented. What really bores me with tww's strategic layer (and a ton of other "grand strategy" titles) is how its so abstracted all that stuff is to the point that playing every faction feels extremely identical outside of gimmicks, and every region in the world is mostly the same - playing in Lustria doesnt make you struggle against the jungle, the badlands lack of agriculture and infrastructure don't require time to develop colonies, and so on. It doesn't have to even be that mechanically complex - the tabletop game Root has factions play extremely mechanically different while all sharing the same core elements regarding conflict and control of territory, for instance. It also works in making fighting the different factions feel a lot different, as you try to exploit their mechanical weaknesses, rather than how in total war where a war against dwarfs is strategically identical to a war against orcs, rats, or daemons.
>>422641165>Then burden of proof is on you. You cannot micro 20 units I already cannot shoot you by missiles or magic, and i already on't have missile mounts.Whyyou think i will waste my time on you more than enough to post something during loading time?
>>422641240Well the map stuff is and will always be CA's achilles heel.I think a few years ago I heard about someone trying to mod EU4 with attila so that whenever you do battle the army carries over into a total war style battle. Either I heard about it or I'm rambling about some fever dream I've had
i WILL buy chaos dwarfsthey WILL be my new favorite factionand there's nothing you can do about it
>>422641621me but with creamapi
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>>422641621All me btw
>>422640872Lol you never played 3K or Troy then? Troy lives from strategic flanking and properly using terrain. What amazing tactics you miss? The shit awful terrain with unpassable mountains leading to broken battles? Kamikaze bridges where the AI suicides into your spears? Sieges where the AI blobs and attacks only a single point? Formations were never used well in any TW (Yari Wall and Testudo aren't muh deep tactics), what we got was a different engine which calculated physics and units differently. But 3K has more formation than all early games before.Also, strategically wise it was complete shitDiplomacy was worthless. The AI braindead and suicidal. Commerce was irrelevant besides click here. In Rome 1 you could just bribe all your rivals from the same culture. In Medieval 2 you could just do agent spam and win. Their idea of a threat was just sending endless mongol hordes. You didn't have to manage anything besides just gold, not even cities were fun to manage since you just build everything everywhere.
>>422641548>and i already on't have missile mountshmmm?
>>422641956MmMmMmMm??!!11 >>422639843>Nigger you're playing a pompous stack you literally don't have missile units
>NO NO NO PLEASE DON'T EAT M-AAACK THIS IS GOING IN THE BOOK!
>>422641956>>422642030Yes you dumb ape single entity monsters with shitty blowguns aren't actual missile units and cannot actually clear slayers
>>422642195>lose 60% of army to AICope harder loser
>>422642106
>>422642297>loses a bunch of heroes to shitty replaceable infantrytry harder
>>422641583I understand why they don't deal with that stuff that much but they're at a point where a lot of complaints about the game have a lot to do with the style of abstraction they've gone with. Lack of field battles, anti player bias, boring late game, doomstacking, all armies being 20 stacks, unit "tiers" where early ones become useless, the logistics penalty, defenders taking siege attrition, AI armies running half across the world to attack some random settlement, AI ignoring attrition, faction gimmicks either having to be disabled for the AI or being extremely annoying to deal with as a player but pointless against the AI, agent spam, all part of the problem where the overall strategic gameplay is a total mess that is simultaneously overly complex but also very simplistic
>>422628349>It was tactically deep.It isn't, just sit there with arty then let your gunners clean up the leftovers.
>>422628349>Also play high elves or any other faction with broken ranged units. You literally stick your units in a line then win.Bullshit, the only faction I've played that felt as braindead as FotS was Dwarfs, because in both you just set up your formation and then go eat a pop-tart while the game wins by itself
>>422642338Who are you talking to? There's no AI with who are you playing.
>>422642773>Who are you talking to?Some dumb nigger who won't accept that he's objectively wrong and a pompous doomstack is mediocre, losing to regular fucking stacks let alone other actual doomstacks.
>>422642873So your 8players actually tactical battles is just skrimishes vs AI? Even w/o campaign?Finally you admit it.
>>422642382Yes, really the only real chance CA has at making a smart, interesting and interactive strategy part is to dump the whole thing and start from scratch. But they won't, so nothing in that front is going to change, as every single TW game can attest to
i'm still kind of amazed they have 3 games (with hundreds of dollars of dlc each) that are just the same game on more or less the same map and the same characters with some fairly minor changes, some for the worse
Games need at least 5 human players to be truly strategicAny less than that and you don't have enough wheeling and dealing, because 2 players is just co-op or head to head, 3 players will almost always be 3 way head to head because 1 v 2 is unsporting and unfun so it's typically avoided and 4 player usually just devolves into 2 v 2With 5 player ffa, there's enough players for loyalties to be genuinely flexible. More than that just makes it better, as even if it turns into 2 equal teams at 6 or more players, there's still enough players on each team to allow for actual strategic maneuvering and decision makingThus, while pretty much all Paradox games and games like Dominions, Civilization or even something as simple as Risk can be strategic, there is only 1 strategic Total War game and that's Warhammer 3Maybe the next history game will be capable of strategy, but so far it's only Warhammer
>>422643239>i'm still kind of amazed they have 3 games (with hundreds of dollars of dlc each) that are just the same gameIt was anounced during twwh1 developing.
>>422643239Yeah bro the map hasn't changed at all from Warhammer 1
>>422643024Admit what? That you're a fucking retard? That you can't understand basic similarities between situations and have to make up a bunch of strawmen to have anything remotely approaching an argument? Sure, I admit the best part of you slid down your mom's thighs and we are all now cursed with your retardation upon this general.You spamming a bunch of heroes on monsters was never tactical to begin with, you contrived this scenario to try and imply its non-tactical because said stack was unbeatable. I have firmly instructed you that it is not unbeatable, its actually mediocre against any well constructed army. You continue to double down on a point thats not only nonexistant but one i literally do not care about because of its nonexistence. I came in purely to remind you that slayers beat up dinosaurs, your argument is invalid and requires a new example.You, being mentally handicapped, decided not only to not abandon your shit example but to double down on it. You are a faggot who cannot argue because you have no argument and a waste of everyone's time. Warhammer battles are at least equally tactical as every other kind of total war not because they're especially good but because other total wars are equally shit.I will not bother responding again, feel free to try and pretend you getting some kind of last word is a victory.
>>422643031it'd be nice if they opened up campaign modding. maybe trying a different system is possible with a lot of scripting but the lack of attempts is probably not a great sign. you'd absolutely have to start by cutting out a lot of the civ inspired clutter, though.
>>422643503>1 v 2 is unsporting and unfunHow about 2 shitty factions against one strong one. Wulfric and throgg vs archaon or Greasus and Ku'gath vs Imrik. I feel like there's some fun that can be gained.
>>422643665>astragoth will be right between grimgor and azhag
>>422643886>Imrikis he better in 3? pretty low tier high elf faction in 2
>>422643706You lose 60% of army to AI in skrimish.Cope harder loser.
>>422644053>pretty low tier high elf faction in 2He's one of the single strongest martial lords in the game let alone on the HElf roster. His primary army is capable of wrecking almost anything that came near it and his only limitation was the inability to trade for eco, a limit he's lost in 3, and sniktch being a bitch. Right now his only problem is the darklands bowl requiring a lot of forethought and positioning to stop tretch from cheekying while also no aggroing the badlandsbowl too early but beyond that everyone around him is fodder for dragons.
>>422644053I think there's sort of abusing fire resistance reduction debuff?NTA
>>422644252he's good as a unit but his starting position and faction-wide bonuses are bad, i didn't mean he was bad, i just meant the other high elves are really good
How do I into Bretonnia?
Hey does a trait and item replenish effect stack, or should I swap the item if I already have a replenish trait?
>>422644030That's fine, Azhag is a pushover that can be dealt with as factions as weak as Kislev, but Grimgor is a problem if you let him fester and grow, Grimgor is a threat because of how quickly he spirals out of control, if you kill him immediately after your starting war, I doubt he'll be any tougher than any other Greenskin LL.
>>422643665Prediction: the two blank areas south of Cathay is gonna be Ind and the monkey king
>>422644030Azhag will never move East
>>422644362Nothing but stalk stance is stronger than the dragons for the purpose of any short campaign and his start position is now fine, especially relative to other HElfs on the donut that have to suffer so much more than they used to.
>>422644053Imrik can literally solo entire armies
>>422644424Get the Knights of the Round Belly mod
>>422644053The gigachad has a bit of competition in 3 from lords like Skarbrand and Malus, but he's still one of the strongest in the game
>>422644812holy based
>>422644252>inability to trade for ecoa better time desu
>>422643503>1 v 2 is unsporting and unfunbut the fact that it's unsporting makes it fun
>>422644734i meant as a factionand a lot of lords can do that
>>422645015>a lot of lords can do thatAnon >>422644958 is WITHOUT the Sword of Khaine
>>422644598One of the Cathay provinces can return to monke, they aren't gonna miss out on milking out khuresh snake people
>>422641867>Kamikaze bridges where the AI suicides into your spears? Sieges where the AI blobs and attacks only a single point?Actually, Rome 2 is the game that's famous for always attacking a single point and blobbing, because there's no unit collision in the game resulting in the AI meshing thousands of men on a single wall with my slingers only able to land a few kills even though its literally impossible to miss. (Two of the most egregious design flaws of newer total war games are on full display, Armor and numbers mattering more than a tactical advantage) In Shogun 2 the AI didn't always attack a single point, and the walls were more tactically oriented, more open space and not the corridor they are in new total war games.Yari Wall had tradeoffs being more than just stat increases, like they are in new total war games, playing like actual phalanx units are supposed to (flanking makes them easily routed, and vulnerable to arrows), unlike say Rome 2 DEI where an enveloped phalanx unit won't rout even when enveloped for several minutes.>Diplomacy was worthless.Strategy has never, I repeat NEVER been the series' main appeal. (Tactics without strategy, strategy without tactics) Also, are you about to argue that getting a confederation on X early game turn in WH2 and if you don't get it due to RNG you just save scum, is more strategically interesting rather than trivializing the campaign?>Their idea of a threat was just sending endless mongol hordes.Or Oda sending endless yari samurai hordes from the start of the campaign on legendary. The AI has always been dumb and not the crux of my argument, rather the tactical and strategic depth shines when you are put in UNDERDOG situations, like in Shogun 2. See Realm Divide and the AI having larger armies than normal, forcing you to use every advantage, such as terrain, formation, and micromanagement to the fullest. In newer games, they get stat +X melee attack.
>>422644053he's a good character but is canonically eaten by Miao Ying which is pretty lame.
>>422645121>is WITHOUT the Sword of KhaineBut with like 6 buffs with short duration?Not so impressive, to be honest.
>>422642610>It isn't, just sit there with arty then let your gunners clean up the leftovers.A nice hypothetical battle there, retard. Ignoring the early game where you have to use melee units, ignoring terrain, ignoring that artillery is immobile and is vuln to everything up close.I bet if I played you in multiplayer you'd have no idea what to do if I had an army full of artillery. Even in Warhammer.
>>422645884It's a SoK tier statline without SoKHe gets healing, ward save, bound spells, dragon breath, debuffs for enemies, army wide buffs and the statline of a god just by playing his campaign and collecting his special dragonsHe also makes all dragon units completely terrifying with extra breath attacks and bound spells, and gives his entire enemy army weakness to fire making the breaths even better, and cuts dragon upkeep by a ton so you can have an army of all star dragons without bankrupting yourselfHe's easily the single strongest lord on the high elf rosterEltharion has some cool units, Tyrion with SoK is strong, Alarielle and Teclis get cool magic, but Imrik is on another tier completely
>>422644734Yup. Tactics don't matter. Stats are everything. In older total war games you had to rout the army to rout the general. In Warhammer you have to rout the general to rout the army.
>>422646582bro your vlad?
>>422646682Nope, this is the case even with non-vampire factions.
>>422646582We're talking about a handful of the absolute strongest characters in the gameOut of almost 100 legendary lords, 3 of them (Skarbrand, Malus and Imrik) can become that strong
>>422646582>In older total war games you had to rout the army to rout the generalNot true
>>422647013>Not truecontradiction, wow
The Lady preserve us!Over there stands a miserable collection of sausage-eating, beer-swilling Imperial pudding-heads.I have seldom seen a more dispiriting sight than the Imperial State Troops. They have no style, no elan, no manly virtues, no reason to live, no decent food, no attractive womanfolk and their leaders - why, the Dark Gods themselves would be shamed to have them in the Chaos Realms.If our Imperial friends had any sense they would flee back to the whores and dogs that fathered them. For shame, they would not face peasants - let alone brave Bretonnian knights of the realm.The poxed stench of those Imperial knaves is as bad as their sour beer - my horse is quite disturbed by it. And as I like my horse, I would not have him upset for much longer!And so, raise high your banners! Make your peace with The Lady and all Bretonnians! Set your face against the foe and do not brood on what is to come!Go with honor!
>>422646291Can you post his stats w/o buffs?
>>422646834>Out of almost 100 legendary lords, 3 of them (Skarbrand, Malus and Imrik) can become that strongExactly. Why wouldn't you, or the AI use them? I think its the case with more than you think and its always boring bullshit cringe when it happens.
>>422647163Nah, I'd have to play through his whole campaignIIRC he gains about 500 WS and an absolute ton of charge bonus from his abilities, but his MA and MD only go up a little, probably not more than 30 each
>caravan made it to Karaz-a-Karak>statue of zharr itemermm dorfbros?...what ze heck?
How the fuck do you use cavalry effectively? I try and pull them out and they're just bogged down in bullshit. My knight errants are getting chopped up by boyz unless I babysit them eternally.
>>422647593Flank and cycle charge. Requires micromanagement. That's how cavalry has always been most effective, in actual battles and real life.
>>422647507What is WS?
>>422647918Weapon Strength
>>422647772>That's how cavalry has always been most effectiveCavalry used to deal actual damage on the charge though and deal shock damage to morale so it was actually useful. Now cavalry just pushes entities around or flings them into the air while dealing no actual damage.
>>422647953>while dealing no actual damageSkill issuehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3V_NqmImb4
>>422647942Ah.
>>422648059>MPfag shit>Not even about cavalryWhat did Pedro mean by this?
>>422639369K'daai Zharr are a artificial breed of "Daemons of Hashut" created by the Dawi Zharr and their terrible magics (Daemonsmithing and Soul Binding), what you are asking about is a "Minor Daemon of Hashut" while the larger one is a "Greater Daemon of Hashut". Some autistic people hate to hear them called Daemons let alone Daemons of Hashut, but thats exactly what they are, Forge World even said so way back in 2010, they wanted to make sure people didn't compare the updated Chaos Dwarfs to the Skaven, or other Chaos Races. So instead of normal Daemons of X Chaos god, their bound Daemons, who are mind raped into oblivion, and mixed with sacrificial magma straight from Hashut's Temple, and only awaken when the Chaos Dwarfs want them to be, their also bound to Dark Iron armor.So in short, think of them as Daemons of Hashut, on loan from other gods who are none to frilled to have their power stolen from them, just to be reused by Hashut. Fun fact, the Dawi Zharr loan these things out for mad prices, and should a client really piss them off, they will sell them one thats on its last leg. What does that mean you ask, well that means the Daemon is nearing its time to break free, and so instead of resealing it with new Runes, they just let it wreck havoc on their asshole clients. Lore says that more then one Chaos Lord has fallen to this trick (no names its just lore footnotes).
>>422647593You charge one unit of the cheapest cavalry you have into the middle of the enemy formation and wait for them to blob up then when they are bunched up you delete them with trebuchets, magic and peasant archers. About 6-7 units of trebuchets, 10 peasant archers and a spellcaster or two leave enough room for all the cavalry you'll ever need.
>>422648191Did you even watch the video? It works with all large units, it worked with the minotaurs just like it worked with the StonehornAnd how is it MPfag shit?
>>422647953I love the new total war games, too. Bullets are glorified arrows. Cavalry only pushes shit around. Some heroes are literally invincible. Everything comes down to numbers.
How nice of Alarielle to deliver sword of Khaine to my stooge N'kari.Its basically a direct upgrade over wit stealer and Id assume he would have wanted since he was first impaled by it.
>Histfags can't into collision damagelollmao
>>422647535prolly placeholder until chorfs are added so cathay can trade with them lmao
>launch TWW3>repeatedly hit escape key to pass through the seizure warnings and cinematics>hit button too many times that the game things I want to exit the game>misclick>game exits
>>422648303High ground? Boy, you're playing the wrong total war game if you want the high ground to matter.
>>422648265Monsters and monstrous infantry are not cavalry. Not that your retarded MPfag cope even matters, if you have to force the enemy entire enemy army into a blob and then charge through that in order to deal any damage (good luck doing that with cavalry's shit unit mass) then it's not functioning properly. In older TW titles cavalry just worked how it is supposed to and you didn't have to follow eceleb tips and tricks in order to make it function correctly.
>>422639369Minor daemons of Hashut enslaved, will have melee damage reflection in melee, monstrous infantry, major fire damage and resist, gains bonuses while in melee, crumbles instead of routes.
>>422648527>Malding because he didn't know how collision works in WH3kekIt's too late, you outted yourself already as someone who knows nothing about the game
>>422648303I don't even care that much about the way the guns behave as they can at least be pretty devastating when lined up correctly due to how inherently overpowered armor piercing ranged damage is in Warhammer TW. The completely anemic cavalry just feels terrible and makes them unsuitable even for running down routed units since that also doesn't function properly.422648629>no argumentI accept your concession
>>422648527Yeah its suuuuper cringe how cavalry is still useless like in Rome 2. This series is finished.
422648712It's okay nufriend, we all were beginners onceWe have to get our TW start somewhere
total skaven death
>>422648712here you go for the cav fix, actually works really well (doing the reduced one because the larger cav breakthrough has a nasty bug for monsterous single entity lords where they'll take stupid amounts of collision damage, but isn't present here): https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2931747769&searchtext=cav+breakthrough #MakeCavGreatAgain
>>422648712They still are objectively less interesting than in the older games. Last time I checked, bullets in actual history were pretty damn effective even against elite units. Hero units (warhammer action figures) follow anime logic (numbers > tactics) and are impervious to the laws of physics because blah blah blah.
Legend says that Belakor can get any of the Legendary lords.How would you do that?
Why are ratfags like this?
Cyclechargecels downright SEETHING at the concept of cavalry actually dealing impact damage. Imagine having to go in and out over and over just to do the amount of damage I can do with one click. It must be a miserable life cyclechargecucking all day every day just for a fraction of the damage that others can deal with a single charge.
>>422648712>>422649028Forgot to add, tl;dr on the mod is that it makes it so cav wont stop when coming into contact with the first model of a unit on the front line, they will push through until their charging animation is over and trample them (at-least if their mass allows it)>>422649072My only guess is with his transforming daemon prince mechanic and an exploit alongside it
>>422649072You get option to enforce confederation when you take their last settlement. Note that it counts only warriors of chaos factions, no monogod deamon factions without mods.
>>422648227>Fun fact, the Dawi Zharr loan these things out for mad prices, and should a client really piss them off, they will sell them one thats on its last leg. What does that mean you ask, well that means the Daemon is nearing its time to break free, and so instead of resealing it with new Runes, they just let it wreck havoc on their asshole clients. Lore says that more then one Chaos Lord has fallen to this trick (no names its just lore footnotes).That's fucking hilarious. Thanks.
>>422649115Cycle-charging is historical though.
>>422649115>Routes your unit with one charge
Just pre-ordered chorfs. Gonna go to bed now and pretend mommy is tucking me in.
>>422649306Routes it to where?
>>422649306I wish either of the ogre LL would be even close to usable. But greasus is just a straight up Demerit to an army and Skrag is just MEH. Lore of the maw needs some steep cost reductions or added aoe on overcast to compensate.
>>422649397My stomach
>>422644812>ogre>grail ogreabsolutely terrifying
>>422649371How sad is your life?
>>422649445Greasus is shit but he increases the mass of his army meaning you can charge harderAlso if you just mod him to stand up his stats and abilities are pretty good
seems fine to me
>>422649306I just went and tested this and it took crusher great weapons 25 seconds from the moment the charging animation started to rout a unit of clanrats. You think that's an acceptable amount of time for clanrats to be holding out against one of the strongest monstrous cavalry units in the game? They should be literally flattening clanrats on the charge, going straight through them like there's nothing there. Crushers charging clanrats shouldn't even have to stop to swing their weapons, impact damage alone should be more than enough to shatter them. But it isn't, they stood and fought for 25 seconds before routing, which they will come back from of course unless you chase them all the way to the edge of the map.
>>422649805Did you do the charge right? You have to aim for the unit behind in order to deal the hilarious impact damage that 4000 mass brings
>>422649612All he needed was a palanquin for his lategame to be viable. Something with mortis engine effect or major aoe passive buff to reflect his bribe rules maybe? Or just have him strapped on a stonehorn. Instead all they gave him was a mobility skooter of gnobs that is so slow it makes Nurgle look like race cars.
>>422649847No, I didn't use an exploit that hardly ever comes up naturally in actual gameplay in order to artificially inflate a unit's strength. I'm demonstrating how pathetic cavalry is currently when used as intended so that it might be fixed in the future. You aren't going to have multiple unbraced units perfectly spaced apart in a blob for you to charge through in a normal battle. But I'm sure you'll come up with some other nonsense to defend limp-dick cavalry charges since you want to become the next testautist.
>High cost Ethereal unit>55% Physical damage resistance>Supposedly excellent against mortals and takes little damage in return>Obliterated in two volleys by pic They need to up the physical resistance or give them 100 armour
I wish random fags didn’t declare war so much. I just want a satisfying end point in my game without ending while at war with every single order faction, like fuck off lizard cucks I’m nowhere near your gay spic continent
>>422649120When are we getting Slambo as a WoC LH?
What is going on here?
>>422649805I just tested it, by charging correctly (spread out in a line and target the unit directly behind to maximize impact) the crushers routed the first unit in 11 seconds>>422650185Braced doesn't matter with Ogres, their ability negates half of any charge defense a unit has and their high mass makes the braced bonuses against impact not really matterAlso proper charging comes up in 99% of the battles, you have to spread your units out a ton to avoid it and the AI doesn't do that. It kind of sounds like you don't play the game
>>422650464We need to meme them harder for CA to take notice otherwise I think he's a literal never ever outside of a reference.
>>422650502The Tree of Woe
>>422650502Oh man its not just zoomed out
>>422650513By cycle charging just once the Skaven broke instantly on contact with the second charge
>once you get max chivalry you can give the Green Knight itemssweet, but I am once again asking for /twg/ to make a mod that removes the ethereal effect on units. His model is cool as fuck but you normally can't see 90% of the details of it. Same goes for all the undead ethereal units.
>>422650524CA need to do a 100th LL FLC with Harry the Hammer and LH Slambo assuming the game lasts long enough
>>422650513>charging correctlykek>Braced doesn't matter with OgresI was responding to the video that you posted where you were playing as Bretonnia, nobody said anything about ogres in that conversation. Cavalry also exists in armies aside from the ogre kingdoms so I'm not sure what you were going for with that anyways. Ogre kingdoms don't even have any actual cavalry, only monstrous cavalry, and I was talking about normal cavalry from the beginning. You seem to just latch on to whatever desperate thread might make cavalry seem better at the time even when it doesn't make sense to bring that up.>>422650691Cyclechargecels are just confusing. Why do they act like having to charge multiple times is a good thing? It really doesn't make sense why people who love cavalry so much that they will autistically defend it and use exploits to make it better don't want to see it actually buffed. Cavalry was actually good in previous TW games but they don't want to see it returned to that good state, they just want to cope and pretend that what they have now is good enough.
This is going to be so explicit Im going to have to manual this just to get the full satisfaction.
>>422650885>Why can't I charge once and win the game????>I can? Well why does it take all of 11 seconds????????????????Why are ratfags like this?
>>422649805>>422650185>>422650885skill issue
>>422650657Looks like the chaos gate in Middenheim collapsed and the dimensional cascade is consuming the planet, better luck with your campaign in AoS.
>>422650946How the fuck is tyrone still alive but you have actual late game units?
>>422650719Wait what? You can give the greenkight items?Wtf? I never knew this.
>>422651112Look at the faction. Im only just now sending Siggy and Niggerkari to rim the donut.
>>422651171I thought you couldn't but I never perma-unlocked him with max chivalry before
>>422651183AhDid Nara-Kiri live that long himself or recruit defeated LL mod?
>>422651060>erm.... achsually due to random variance they held out for 16 seconds instead of 25 this time!!!! BTFO!!!!Doesn't change the fact that the strongest monstrous cavalry in the game should be able to completely flatten unbraced non-chargedefenseversuslarge units without even stopping. The fact that the crushers came to a complete stop in order to start swinging at unbraced shit-tier chaff in order to rout them proves that cavalry charges are piss weak.
>>422651253The latter. He was slapped by Eltharion around turn 60 or so I believe. Meanwhile I was snowballing hard into the left corner of the map and bullying Malekith.
>>422651304The impact starts partway through 2 seconds and the skaven unit breaks at 13 second11 secondsAlso that was without using the charge tech to maximize impact damage
Requesting we rename this general to Warhammer General.
>2 seconds>13 second>11 secondsESL comprehend a simple English sentence challenge>Difficulty: Legendary
>>422644426it stacks up until the point you're replenishing 50% of a unit per turn which is the maximum
>>422651304play the game lmao
>I have to play the battles?>I don't just touch my enemy and win?>It's literally over, Total War is dead
I love what SFO did to the lore of Slaneesh. Turned phantasmagoria from generic leadership bomb into a huge NO to all damage.-100% range reduction and -100% melee attack, +15s to cooldowns while reducing the leadership reduction to mere -5 and retaining the inability to move. Its basically a perfect for Niggerkari to rape entire blob or snipe the lord that cant retaliate since the area is huge.
>>422651747beautifulFirst man impacts at 59:33At 59:25 a 40% hp unit of barbaric vermin flee from the Virtue of the Joust.
>>422644426Only things that dont stack are generally auras with same name in battle and hero talents like training/magic finding etc.
Demanding we rename this general to Troy General
>>422651747I feel like using the second to last worst unit in a faction that specializes in crappy infantry might not be the best example
>>422651747VGH..... yes.... the fully armored knight atop a barded warhorse coming to a complete stop upon colliding with a 70 pound emaciated rat who proceeds to be launched through the air like some looney tunes shit..... so historical and realistic,,, much better and more realistic than seeing entire units of men being trampled and crushed upon a successful hammer and anvil
>>422623073so why am I paying $25 for some reskins on existing units? Maybe what, one or two might have some new animations but lets see--goblins, dwarves, orcs, centaurs, cannons, mortar, flying bovine (can already see the Lamashu is just a wyvern with a dwarf head on it). I gave CA the benefit of the doubt on a lot of bullshit before but even the campaign mechanics are just re-hashed shit from other factions. I haven't been this disappointed since I got all hyped up for Vampire Coast only to discover that a) your ships just carry your dudes to "island battles" when engaging another ship at sea and b) the big merwyrm thing was like...an off-screen campaign mechanic for *after* you beat the campaign.
And what shall be your punishment, Warhammer fanboys? For betraying the franchise? For deserting the wisdom of Sun Tzu? For allying yourselves with these so-called "game developers"? What punishment for you?
>>422652242small family company plz understand
>>422651974that's fair but shock cavalry isn't designed to kill, you can achieve similar results against any low leadership infantry sized unit in the game
>>422652242>so why am I paying $25 for some reskins on existing units?Because you already paid $16 for reskins of existing units, proving that you are willing to pay unfair prices for reskins. Add to that the fact that you paid $16 for those reskins 7 months ago and are becoming more and more desperate for "new" content with each passing day. You'll pay whatever price I say you'll pay, my little piggy. You will pay $15 for Nagash (legendary hero) and you will pay $35 for Dogs of War.
>>422652242The centaurs have unique animations, so do all the monsters, lords, heroes and artillery that we've seen so far
>>422652242Because these aren't tactics games, they are SELLING YOU DIGITAL ACTION FIGURES. This has been a problem for a decade at this point.
>>422623419Thanks anon
>>422627675Imagine how terrified Karl must be for the brief period he's still alive in her. Meanwhile, Miao would just be enjoying her meal.
>>422652242>/tg/ drinking sewage, bleach and hydrochloric acid (It is just a reskin of water)
>>422652446Digital action figures that you aren't even allowed to paint a different color or view in a model viewer.
>>422652527Oh yea what happened to modding? Why did theu HARDCODE shit into Rome 2 making it a broken mess even with DEI?
>>422652242If the DLC is so disappointing, don't pay for it.After all, why waste time on something so mediocre?...But you are going to do it anyway, aren't you?
>>422652242>>422652515This>"OH NO THE CHAOS DWARVES LOOK LIKE THEIR DWARF COUNTERPARTS AND THE GREENSKIN SLAVES laborers [/spoilers] LOOK LIKE THE GREENSKINS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Volound bvlls, the DLC is DOA, we won...
>>422652635>Goblin Wolf Riders are NEW and EXCLUSIVE units and we should all be thankful CA is letting us use them in the new DLC faction.
>>422652635I fucked up the spoiler, goodbye /twg/.
>>422652401>You will pay $15 for Nagash (legendary hero) and you will pay $35 for Dogs of War.Heck yeah, plus tip.
>>422652403It's always funny when doomfags ignore posts that are inconvenient for them
>>422652672Volound is one of the most genuinely retarded people I have ever spoken to. I talked with him directly in his Discord server and he actually talks all the time in real life like he does in his videos. He genuinely just thinks like that and his videos are basically a stream of consciousness, I don't think he even uses a script, he just rambles on in that weird autistic and condescending tone.
>>422652629Yes, why do people pay for dogshit and justify it with bullshit cope? Total war is getting worse and it's their own fault.
>>422652768Do a flip.
>>422652629I still don't own WH3
>>422652903Why?
>>4226528644channers like to bitch, gossip and spread rumors like teenage girls instead of addressing the arguments he made like rational animals. You sound like a retard, dude.
>>422652962There is nothing about it that really is worth the price. I'm still fine with WH2 if I want Fantasy TW.
>>422652962Because WH2 exists and WH3 in general is practically just another 60 fucking dollar expansion? Are people in this thread so brainwashed they can't fathom someone disliking Warhammer?
>>422653000At least I'm not a gay Scottish vegan pedophile
>>422651974They'll still perform well enough against middle tier heavy infantry like chaos warriors or grave guard. They won't crumble on impact but you can even leave them in and still win the fight cost efficiently or pull them through and take almost no damage. Empire is worse at it since no lance formation but reiksguard still perform well. Against true elite heavy infantry like blorcs you can no longer get away with it. A frontal charge only does 20% or so and staying in combat at all is a death sentence for reiksguard and questing kinghts, they need support if they want to try and fight shit like chosen which is intended. I didn't try with tier appropriate cav like grail knights or demigryphs.
>>422653121>is practically just another 60 fucking dollar expansionAnd? It's more content.
>>422635537I still hold out hope that the Chorf’s all female Harridans are being kept back along with the Siege Giant as CA’s final push to convince those who has not yet pre-ordered, to do just that, and pre-order/buy (it’s it’s the day of release or shortly afterwards).Then again I hope that Ghorth the Cruel is a unlockable LL like Tzar Boris was, so yeah…
>>422653121>Because WH2 exists>Are people in this thread so brainwashed they can't fathom someone disliking Warhammer?Why do you play Warhammer 2 if you hate Warhammer?
>>422653127>Continues to attack people rather than their arguments because he's madYou really ARE a teenage girl, aren't you? Also idc about volound, he's a commie faggot but he's right about total war. Happy, herd animal?
>>422653284Siege giant will likely be FLC, they did the same with TK. Odds are it's not even finished yet and we'll see it in six months.
>>422653336I don't? The last total war game I played was divide et impera and it still sucked despite offering more strategic depth (the campaign map having the manpower/supply system) because CA fucked that game so hard it's impossible to fix.
>pick up Oxyotl since his DLC was half off and I needed to pick him for a co-op campaign with some friends also doing the lizards>he kind of seems lame at first>find out what his gimmick really is, travel the world kicking the shit out of Chaos and then leaving before they can even do anythingThis guy fucking rules, the only downside is that I'm not making quite enough money to field a second stack while Oxyotl is off murdering thousands of miles away, so it feels like it's hard to keep momentum up. I'm just raking in XP for him though.
>>422653457Why are you in the Total War General thread if you don't like Total War and don't play it
>>422653000>>422653342He doesn't have arguments, he spouts subjective opinions and uninformed, flat out incorrect claims for an hour an a half per videoHe says shit which is outright untrue, like Warhammer 3 has no reload animations (it does) or bullets behave like arrows (they don't)Responding to Volound is a waste of time. It's like arguing with someone who claims Strawberries are blue, and you point them towards a red strawberry but they just make their claims louderI don't even understand why he makes videos on Warhammer when he's adamant that he's never even played itI don't genuinely believe anyone who brings him up in this general actually does so in good faith. I don't think they believe the bullshit he spouts, I think that they do it to bait (You)s or because they're Volound himself, come to shill his youtube channel yet again
>>422653231Yeah. More of the same bullshit.
>>422653284Siege giant's going to be part of a different DLC.
>>422653525To bait replies
>>422653540lol another mindbroken fantard
>>422651747Party-celebrate hard my dudes yes yes
>>422653342How is the next video coming along, Volound? Are you going to show us how the tactical and realistic commander abilities in Shogun 2 are totally completely different from stupid retarded dumb arcadey cringe retard lord abilities in Warhammer? I think we need an entire 30 minute rant on how pressing a button to make your guns shoot faster for 30 seconds is better than pressing a button to make your fantasy guns shoot faster for 30 seconds.
>>422653457so youre in a thread to talk about how much you dont like a game and dont play it and probably have no interest in, like a retard, instead of just leaving and doing literally anything else; you have this little self respect.
>>422653457
>>422653559Good, that's what I pay for.
>>422653697That would require him to know what he's actually talking about and he's demonstrated multiple times that he doesn't even know shit about his favorite games.I'm now in the camp that the fag hasn't ever played ANY total war game and is just doing the world's most elaborate longform shitpost.
>>422653414>>422653596If it is, maybe it will be for the best, if it means that the B-Team wastes the DLC Charlemagnes on the damn thing actually scaling the walls, and leaving climbable chains that act like ladders behind it.It won’t happen but hey, I won’t be complaining if it does and the Chaos or Empire side is lacking in real content.
>>422653612Have you tried with skink twinks? You might get better results. I'll personally reply to them and say how cute they are.
>>422640623scientists have concluded that They Just Are
>>422653612
>>422653998Those clanrats are cute! CUTE!
>>422654009*slings a 10 gram lead ball into your skull with the force of a 9mm+P projectile fired from a 5 inch barrel handgun*Heh.... nothin personnell fantasoy.........
>>422653540This reply doesn't have the effect you think it does, retard.>He doesn't have arguments, he spouts subjective opinions and uninformed, flat out incorrect claims for an hour an a half per videoHis Decline of Total War series proved this franchise is going downhill, reducing the actual battle tactics in these to games to spreadsheeting, stat checking, and cookie clickers.https://youtu.be/rwaK1Ia84CI?t=300He makes a claim and proves it with gameplay. This is how you make a logical argument. The retarded shit you typed isn't, its gossip, little bitch.>He says shit which is outright untrue, like Warhammer 3 has no reload animations (it does) or bullets behave like arrows (they don't)He doesn't. Do bullets kill people in one shot, as they do in Shogun 2, or are there some numbers crunched and it decides if the HP bar is low enough THEN the unit dies? Also, the shit posted above invalidates your entire premise that arrows and bullets behave how they should, they are just reduced to numbers. See the posts above complaining about hero units like malus being invincible even to a full stack of archers & guns.The rest of the shit you say is bullshit teenage bitch gossip, blah blah blah, cringe cringe cringe, not addressing shit. As I said before, Volound is a commie faggot, but he's right about Total War.
>>422653998Maybe a little too cute...
>>422654203how much is volound paying you to spew this trash?
>>422654203Hi Volound
>>422654203Did volound just admit to being a commie faggot?
>reddit spacingno (You) for you
>>422654251How many hours and money have you poured into Warhammer before the sunk cost fallacy fades?
>>422654370Don't be rude, anon, it is good bait. I wasn't going to give it a (you)But now I'll give it a (you) for you.>>422654203
>>422654203>reducing the actual battle tactics in these to games to spreadsheeting, stat checking, and cookie clickersI have been playing these games since Medieval 2 and have never even checked unit stats besides upkeep before. Nor did I ever need to adjust my battle tactics in any of the sword & shield games except warhammer where the prevalence of monsters requires you to adjust tactics.
>>422654268>>422654279>oh shit they're doubling down on the herd animal mentality of refusing to accept I'm not volound, repeating it ad nauseumVolound is a commie faggot. I'm an extremist for capitalism. Fuck off, teenage girls.
>>422654396>sunk cost fallacyWoe to those that have lost a pair of denims for 2k+ hours of entertainment...
Why does he keep trying after admitting to being a retard who doesn't like Total War that's only in the thread to flame for (You)s?
>>422654193Tusslemallet babs may deny it but this is what peak performance looks like.
>>422654516>I have been playing these games since Medieval 2 and have never even checked unit stats besides upkeep before.I fail to see how your playstyle invalidates the larger points Volound made.>Nor did I ever need to adjust my battle tactics in any of the sword & shield games except warhammer where the prevalence of monsters requires you to adjust tactics.You sound like you never played on legendary difficulty or have like a total of 40 hours of experience playing the older games.
>>422622379>>422622909The unit card of the bale taurus looks nothing like this model unfortunately. Perhaps they make his mount look unique as it also had a unique name in the book (cinderbreath) but I wouldn't bet on it.
He's still trying to bait (You)sRemarkable
>>422654594>Why does he keep trying after admitting to being a retard who doesn't like Total War that's only in the thread to flame for (You)s?Why do faggots like you insist on me being Volound because you are so frail and pathetic like teenage girls that you can't admit you're wrong about the direction of a video game franchise?
422654895>no anime girl picJeez I give you a (You) and can't even get anything in return?Well you're not getting any more (You)s from me sir. Good day.
He just won't stopIs it mental illness?
>>422653284That image is so cute
>>422655086>>422655123I won't stop because I found the pure fanboy retardation of you people mildly amusing. I promise I won't be here tomorrow.
>>422655005Lowest quality dlc ever. It's going to make coc look high effort.
>>422655040Honestly that's still more interesting that people crying over the $5 increase in price again.
>>422655330Just wait for a few more days when we can cry over the price increase and the reused animations.
>>422655123hes seething and coping at the same timewill called it volound syndrome
>>422655230>I promise I won't be here tomorrow.Well that's unfortunate.
>>422655297>Lowest quality dlc everNah, that's still queen and crone.
>>422655498nah, grim and the grave is still worse
>>422655463>>422655471If Warhammer is so great, why aren't you playing it instead of bitching at me? You could just go and shut your brain off farming levels for your hero unit and pressing buttons on the skill tree for extra cookie-clicker clicks!
>>422655498For three more weeks. I hate that I might still buy this dlc.
>>422655646I have never played a total war game in my life. I just go into these threads to starts on keep random arguments alive.
>>422655737And why would you waste your time on such a pursuit? Nothing better to do?
Would it make more sense for a sieging army to build towers close to but not too far away from an enemy settlement, as opposed to building them during the siege? I get distance matters and pushing a fuck-off thing around is not nice, but I'd happily take a guttering to movement if I could build siege equipment close to but not during a siege so i can attack immediately.
Today progress: Implemented armoury system for all paladin types.
>>422654203Also highly recommended watching to get a better understanding of what's wrong with warhammer.https://youtu.be/zo4rXRKGX7ISadly the tusslemallet fanboys here will never acknowledge the truth.
This general is now in the "parasites using it to raise their larvae" stage of decomposition
>>422655947Will you also implement it for Alberic and Repanse?
>>422655971>parasites using it to raise their larvaeThanks Nurgle
>>422655904Sieges are flawed and all too often it's not worth building any siege equipment and one tower a turn isn't enough.Another problem is sieges themselves aren't made in such a way that you even feel the need to use the equipment when just rushing the gate is as effective, if not even more effective.I don't know why people used siege towers in real life if just scaling the walls and kicking down the gate is so easy.
I am fucking excited to start new campaign with this cheat. But there are some work to be done like implementing paladin vows script (will be based on Knights of The Round Belly script), lords/paladins thumbnails, textures adjustment, and converting the assets to *.variantmesh to fix blood decals bug.>>422656029Yep. I will start implement armoury for Louen and Henri because I have assets prepared for them long ago.
>>422655967I've already seen this one. It's sad that total war threads like this are nothing but warhammer crap, complaining about the same shit, spending time and money on subpar crap for days on end. It's disappointing and foretells the direction of the franchise. If they made a 4th Warhammer game all these losers would pre-order it without a second thought.
>>422656029>>422656274naked repansu....imagine.....................
Now he's replying to himselfSame sentence structure, same capitalization, same use of punctuation, everythingPoor lad
>>422656340I've actually commissioned porn from a guy called Blackguard of this character. Posted on sadpanda.
>>422656340Male lords have naked models. And yes, it's possible for Repanse. Probably will release it as extension mod here.
>>422656291>It's disappointing and foretells the direction of the franchiseNigga the franchise has been heading in this direction since Empire already. And if we're wholly honest the roots began to grow in Kingdom's crusades campaign that introduced completely unrealistic heroes with magical powers.
>>422656291Unironically chorfs is the tail end of a spiralling decline in quality and we're lucky they're going to turn out average. It sucks that in Warhammer chaos and empire both got the short end of the stick being too early before CA put effort in and too late when they fucked up again and started profit maxing but here we are. At least the Warhammer 2 races all got made decently.
>>422656340Armor is nothing next to the Lady's blessing.
>>422656424samefagging ITT is truly an epidemicgrim days indeed
>>422656424>Same sentence structure, same capitalization, same use of punctuation, everythingHe's literally seeing things he wants to see to suit his worldview. Dear God. He thinks the only person on earth who hates the newer total war games is Volound. Holy shit.Animal. Herd animal.
The finest men of The Old World.
Is there a way to make your whole army march at the same speed? I really hate how every time I move my army forward, faster units in the backlines overtake the slower units in the front (especially when getting close to the enemy)
>>422656515You know Brettonians don't shower, right?
>>422656635Sweaty Repanse running naked on the dunes is sure to keep the Lady's eye and nose on her
>>422656484Can't speak for empire but from playing Rome 2, even with DEI this shit is broken. The rest of the games are basically marginal improvements on this game. The franchise peaked with Shogun 2, tactically, Rome 2 /w Divide et Impera strategically and Warhammer is a sheer spectacle.
>>422655971The announcement of 3 Kingdoms 2 will save us.
>>422656769I remember me and my friend got Rome 2 and the sheer launch quality put him off forever. I came back to it a bit later it honestly the game has nothing going for it. It's as dumbed down as Warhammer but without the bonus of varied armies.
>>422656497Empire is the last good race left in the game. It should've been a benchmark for how races should play. Wh2's races are power bloated to the max and require no thinking. I mean just look at how they turned beastmen from a difficult and unique experience into complete braindead AI stompers.>>422656769I'd have to disagree. Medieval 2 still had the most tactical battles. S2 had already a lot of flaws creeping in from magic to unit abilities to simple balance issues like ahsigaru in spear wall negating most enemy units.
>>422656824Yes, I love itI have over 300 hpurs in it and I've been trying to 100% it, I beat the main story awhile ago, Sebastians plotline in it is so good
>>422652401to (you) and the others, you're kind of right and kind of wrong. I still enjoy the base game enough with mods and I'm content to just wait a few months for a half off or more sale if it's something I'm on the fence about, which thankfully happens often enough that if and when I feel like trying something out, it's half-off. My compaint is more that with chorfs other than the flavor of it there's nothing to really be excited about as far as an intersesting or fun campaign if every single one of it's mechanics and units is a direct copy of or very similar to something that's already there. There's shitloads of other campaigns so by the time I get around to getting this DLC, it'll be cheaper and usually a lot of issues get fixed by mods, units added, etc.It's a lazy move by CA but like Skyrim, mods generally make it so that the game keeps its legs despite lazy developers.
Haha stinky!
>>422656917You see, Kislev does not shower you with goodies at the beginning of the game and is too difficult for some reason. I still do not get it how this faction filters so many people.
>>422657005I'd happily pay if they've reworked artillery completely to have effects like that shogun 2 webm from a couple days ago.
It's Over
Cathay desperately needs a melee specialist hero
>>422657095Too many Charlemagnes, they can only afford to make more single unit entities, since those are cheaper since you only need to make 1 model
>>422656873Idk, even though the games are getting worse overall, there's this kind of innate degree of enjoyment you get out of these games that every person who loves total war gets, regardless of the objective quality. The sheer spectacle of war is enough to carry these games and it shows the entrenched fanboyism in this thread is for their flavor of spectacle. You from the Volound discord or some shit or just a fellow contrarian?
>>422657267No I'm a creamchad
>>422656824What do you dislike about it?
>>422656769The stages of decline are following:>KingdomsIntroduces heroes with unrealistic 'magic' powers in crusades.>EmpireNew engine that can't handle swords. First appearance of the lazy DLC policy like selling unit packs. First time CA just abandons a game instead of fixing it.>NapoleonFirst game to feature immortal heroes. Also first game where they resold a minor update to the previous game as a fully priced title.>Shogun 2Negative aspects from previous games converge in one. Still held up by music, solid battles and FotS.>Rome 2Removal of armies without generals. Introduction of province system. Artificial limit on how many armies the player can field. Even lazier DLC.>AttilaAttempt to fix Rome 2 that failed. Also abandoned. >WarhammerOversimplification of combat. Introduction of monsters and tactics negating magic. Removal of sieges.>Warhammer 2, Three Kingdoms, Warhammer 3, TroyDon't require elaboration. Plenty of material on the web going into more detail than me.>ToBFailed attempt at making a historic title.
>>422657435Kingdoms is what introduced that stuff??
>>422657026It's because the challenge is artificial and not natural. As the player you're forced to play with one hand tied behind your back while the AI gets all the advantages and more of the power creep handed out to chaos. You're essentially forced to play against cheaters.
Are the grandpa Total War games even tactical or just good because you were twelve back then?
>>422657590Now that I think about it wasn't empire the one that introduced magic ladders in the form of grapples for walls?
>>422657662Mhmm
>>422657614Soon Ulrika and Kat can easily stomp Chaos together
>>422657658I I notice Frontlines forming more often in Rome 1 and Medieval 2 than I do in warhammer and tend to think more about terrain and positioning so y3ah I think that they are, still play Warhammer more often though
>>422657590Yes. In the crusades campaign each faction gets a special general with a unique ability. I don't remember all of them but Manuel Komnenos could buy an enemy unit mid-battle to join your side and I think Richard the Lionheart could cause a unit to rout instantly.
>422657267>422657435This is retarded, Total War Warhammer is easily the best Total War setting in the seriesThe idea that the series is declining is absolute nonsense when the battles are the best they've ever beenI don't give a shit about simplification on the campaign map, the game isn't about thatAlso, by having the highest number of actual players in a campaign out of any game in the series, Warhammer 3 has the most strategic gameplay possible. No AI will ever match having 7 other players in your game, all taking their turn at the same time you do>>422657658It's pure, unfiltered nostalgiaLook at how Rome 1's rerelease utterly flopped for proof of that
>>422657658You have to understand they were good at the time. The real problem everyone has is that they haven't gotten noticeably better and even slightly worse. Although shogun 2 is still pretty good. It's like bannerlord not improving on warband in any way except graphics
>>422656917>I'd have to disagree. Medieval 2 still had the most tactical battles. S2 had already a lot of flaws creeping in from magic to unit abilities to simple balance issues like ahsigaru in spear wall negating most enemy units.I mean I tried playing Medieval 2 but the campaign map made my eyes bleed, old UI and janky as fuck camera ruins it for me, even if you're right that it is the best game. I even tried the lord of the rings mod (Fuck I hate how we didn't get a lord of the rings game instead of shitty warhammer) and I still couldn't get into it. Meh.Also, why are people so hung up about spear units being dominant in pre-gunpowder warfare? Last time I checked, spears, not swords, were the weapon of the battlefield. Also, spear wall still has tradeoffs even if it is a dominant tactic. In any game you play you can find broken shit to exploit, this seems like meh?I still haven't played empire, hopefully, if I can motivate myself to have any more faith in this franchise it can be anywhere close to as good as fall of the samurai.
>>422657782Shogun 2 is utter crap my guy
>>422657614What is a natural challenge in Total War? You are a human faction surrounded by literal monsters and daemons, your land is corrupted and broken. The threat level of your opponents also escslate starting with Norscan monkeys and rats and ending you up facing Archaon and Grimgor. Your own units get "powercreep“ features such as becoming unbreakable.
Warhammer multiplayer is the best in the series, therefore Warhammer games are the only TW games that matter.Cope.
>>422657776Rome's remaster did poorly because of the UI, atleast for meI like mobile games and Rome total war mobile, but mobile game UI on PC does not work
>MAKE>THE RIGHT>ONE
>>422657964Did Rome rerelesee actually flop? CA really can't catch a break outside Warhammer.
>Play Med 2>Win every battle with one cavalry charge>Play Shogun 2>Arrange my units in the meta formation then walk away, game won itself by the time I get back>Play Empire>Play Empire
>>422657934Tactics only matter when fighting other actual humans, but multiplayer frightens the usual RTS player.>muh gookclick>muh meta
>THIS IS THE MOMENT
>>422658014Depends on what you mean by flop, it probably made its money back due to prpbably being cheap to make, but ot dropped off amount of players really fast and has never had a lot of players at all. Irc the peak players of the remaster was lower than the current amount of people playing warhammer 3 right now.The original Rome total war, which you can't buy any more and is 18 years old, has only a bit less, sometimes more players, than the remaster
>>422657776>This is retarded, Total War Warhammer is easily the best Total War setting in the seriesClaiming Warhammer is the "best" setting is a subjective claim. Proves nothing. The newer games are still shit and less tactical. Stop spouting the same crap. I can just as easily say lord of the rings is the best.>The idea that the series is declining is absolute nonsense when the battles are the best they've ever beenI don't give a shit about simplification on the campaign map, the game isn't about thatIt's not nonsense, you just don't like that people in this thread are pointing it out and are fanboying out right now. Play Rome 2 DEI, requires more strategic thought than any total war game. Manpower/supply system is genius. Forces unit variety in a realistic way, forces you to buy mercenaries, auxiliaries and units other than Legions, just like in ancient Rome.Total war has and always will be a hybrid of strategy and tactics, no matter how many times you cope and seethe it will never not be true.>Also, by having the highest number of actual players in a campaign out of any game in the series, Warhammer 3 has the most strategic gameplay possible. No AI will ever match having 7 other players in your game, all taking their turn at the same time you do>pointing out a entirely seperate game mode which most total war players don't even useShut the fuck up you pussy. You have to resort to bullshit cope like this. Nobody wants to join your tranny discord and larp as WH characters with you.>Look at how Rome 1's rerelease utterly flopped for proof of thatThe Rome 1 remaster flopped because the remaster is shit, not the original. Why can't you admit there is more to the older games than nostalgia? Admit the franchise is more about numbers than tactics and we can be done here.
wow it turns out people can like different things
>>422657934THEY LITERALLY HAVE TO COPE BY SAYING THE MULTIPLAYER IS BETTER
>>422657776Dont respond to the bait. There's no point ruining another thread with volound seethe
>>422658551oh cool we're going with the 'everything is subjective' cope again? fuck off, coward, at least have a spine and say you don't like tactics games
>>422658551Proof?
haha what if alarielle became as hungry as greasus goldtooth, wouldnt that be wierd haha
>>422658661Only if she doesn't become fat
>>422658653I'm not the one arguing with you
>>422658442>Play Rome 2 DEI, requires more strategic thought than any total war game blah blah manpower blahThat's not strategy retard, you can't have strategy in a single player game. Also you can mod that exact system into Warhammer 3 with one mod, surprise surprise it does nothing to make the game more fun, just more autistic>Why can't you admit there is more to the older games than nostalgia?Why would I lie?
>>422658442>>422656917>>422656497>>422656291>>422655967>>422654203Nothing remains but hatred and jealously.This malding fire will always demand more.More doomposting. More Criticism.The fiercest seethe, to forge the hardest cope.
>>422657873shogun 2 is the best. fall of the samurai is the only dlc in the franchise worth purchasing. cope harder whfag
>>422633987going back to warhammer 2 and hearing "OGRES MY LORD" every few turns almost made me nostalgic for them
>>422658837>Put strong unit in a line>Do my taxes as the AI suicides into it
>>422658732nah she would
>>422658918Ew
>>422658763>That's not strategy retard, you can't have strategy in a single player gameHoly fuck you WH fags need to go back to playing WH multiplayer and shut your brain off for good.
>>422658965Not an argument, I accept your concession
>>422658887You're acting like any other Total War game is different. These games are hilariously easy as all you ever need to do is spam the best units.
>>422658887>literally makes vague criticism which can be applied to any total war gameyou are retarded, you know that?
post TW fembois
>>422658776pure fucking soul
It just feels gross and like everything is oversizedShowing the campaign UI is harder, because the main issues is that now everyhring requires like 2-3 more clicks.You can't just click a city and build a building, you have to likr click a city, open the building panel, click the building you want, then click buildYou can't just like see all the buildings that a city had at the bottom at once, if you've built too many, they go offscreen and you have to like click a button to like cycle through all the different buildings to see them all.Not to mention how much space it takes up, I get that just like looking at the campaign map isn't that important, a lot of the info you need is on the UI, not the map itself, but still, is having giant menus taking up a third of the screen and then not being yhay useful anyway really like the way to go about it?
>>422659039>>422659057NahIf you do that in Warhammer you'll be nuked by a spellYou have to actively react to threats in Warhammer, because it's an actual gameWhich you would know if you actually played the game you're malding about
>>422659039>All total war games are braindead easy and offer no meaningful challenge!Oh now we have to start asking the big questions because you faggots can't admit you're wrong. Do games that offer more or less challenge affect the player experience?
In Basedgun 2 I can fall asleep as the AI suicides into my ranged superiorityIn Warhammer 3 the AI actively dodges artillery and spells so I have to play just as activelyWarhammer is a game, the Shogun isn'tSimple as
>>422658776cringe loser
Im rusty after not playing TWW games long ago, and I want to just play & finish (or as much I can) as much factions as possible in a relatively fast way.What settings are best to get "fast" campaign games but without going very easy? TBF, im not that good at playing the games so I dont want very hard difficulties, but still want to have some struggles on the way.And what mods are recommended( I dont want try-hard mods, but any good overhaul mods are appreciated). Should I take any of the fast tech or fast construction mods? And any fast confederation mods?
in warhammer i spam archers and shoot enemy pew pew, driving ikit claw in circles makes enemy ai go full retard and waste all ammo and staminawoo woo woo so fucking funim smart
>>422659598I'm not going to donate to your superchat
What is the peasant thinking right now
>>422659598>driving ikit claw in circles makes enemy ai go full retard and waste all ammoNot in Warhammer 3 but good job proving you haven't played the game
>>422659598Yes.
>>422659598legendoftotalwar here
Damn the donut is a tough nut to crack after 100 turns of leaving them be.Siggy is having some flashbacks to his attempt being pushed back for 3rd time now.Archaon campaign, just hit long campaign victory
>>422659186>lets turn a retarded ai design flaw into a positiveholy fucking copei did play it, i ran ikit claw, tyrion, maliketh, empire, all of them suffer from the same shitgame sucks, just say it pussy
>>422659831>I can't set up a firing line and win without issuing orders game suxSkill issue
>>422659816literally every single video he uploads displays how broken the game ishe copes constantly by saying 'the devs intended you to play broken bullshit all day'boring
>>422659884everyone who disagrees with me is just bad! i can't be wrong about anything git gud, redditordamn son, you got em
>>422660059You've malding because spells make you have to actually play the game and react to thingsSo yes, skill issue
>>422660141>maldingneck yourself
>>422659598I walk slowly(disable run) my pure Champion stack towards the enemy fire because I know that I'll win anyway.
>>422660167lol you sure proved that you're not malding with that one
>>422659598>He doesn't play VH battle difficultyYikes
Which LL is the most Volound pilled?
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>>422660141You're coping by turning a retarded AI into a positive by coping that pressing a button every ten seconds is some kind of brilliant game design that trumps everything the older games accomplished.Keep believing whatever you feel like though, feelings are everything, after all. I know kids these days get a little too attached to their action figures.
>>422660360I wanna f*ck Repanse (femboy version)
>>422660364The older AI was objectively more retarded, as proven by Shogun 2 where your line wins the battle while you are taking a dump
>>422658551>people can like different thingsThey can try but I won't tolerate it
>>422660403repanse is tomboy, only femboys in Bretonnia are the squires
>>422660449Yeah. Lines. What a concept. It's almost like lines were pretty significant in actual battles. Wait weren't the original games trying to capture the spectacle of those actual battles by being actually tactical? lol
>>422660601How is standing in a line doing nothing while retarded ai charges you "tactical"?
>>422660601VGH...the spectacle of zombies striding into yari wall...
>>422660551GO ON SADPANDA FAGGOTS, I MADE PORN OF HER WITH BLACKGAURD, LOOK IT UP HE MAKES PIXEL ART PORN
>>422660551mor please
>>422660712I don't want to log into sad panda, either repost it on rule34.xxx with the appropriate tags or fuck off
I always build the landmarks, even if they are trash.
>>422660826too lazy, idc, your loss btw, i consider my commission to be objectively the best porn of her
>>422657912>natural challengeBoth you and the AI start out at a similar power level and grow naturally.Kislev's challenge is broken because the entire escalation you're talking about isn't there. While you're still training kossars the neighborhood WoC factions abuse CA's very balanced mechanics and come at you with chosen, RoRs and SEMs (also dogs) from the get go.
>>422658009Never knew I needed that collab until that moment
>>422661257You can skirmish chosen to death with speed reducing magic from the lore of ice.
>>422660743No
>>422661257I have never seen WoC AI building Chosen ever since their rework. Their AI is broken.
>>422657801If you played FotS you can skip empire and napoopan unless you're really into those time periods. The games don't offer anything that FotS doesn't do better.
>>422661028same, it just feels right
Hey does anyone know of a cheat or something so I can autocomplete a vow? The mod bugs out and changes the vow to hero action even if you select something else, I think I finished the first one and then that made the 5 hero action one impossible to complete. That really tickles my autism so I'd like to find some way to complete it.
>>422661475I cant in good conscience say they even can use the warband upgrades. You mostly just see them with CW spam and demons to supplement.
>>422657662Empire was also the first game where they cheaped out on siege battles. It was either a field battle with some hamlets in the middle or a fort. It wouldn't be until Rome 2 that we got actual cities again.
pic related literally how you cheese L/VH to victory
>>422660650>How is standing in a line doing nothing while retarded ai charges you "tactical"?draw up whatever hypothetical battle in head to suit your worldviewdepends on the terrain, army comp, etc (there's more to tactics in shogun 2 than yari wall)you can do the same thing in warhammer if you really wanted to, stop posting your vague bullshit which can apply to any tw gamestop posting here and play wh and don't come back until some dope defense hits youI posted this video earlier and, surprise surprise, retard ignored it even though it perfectly demonstrates why total war is shithttps://youtu.be/rwaK1Ia84CI?t=300As you can see, the wedge formation is pure numbers. It didn't matter if the cavalry was actually in formation. The actual tactical simulation is abstracted away by numbers.
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Absolutely horrendous Form for the background Elgi
>>422657776>when the battles are the best they've ever been>just turn off your brain and look at big dinosaur smash into pirate mecha broYikes
>>422661706also what kind of phenomenal cope is it that even if the ai is retarded, which is true for every tw, pointing that out proves nothingsome of the greatest failures in military history are literally dudes going 'they'll break if we just charge into them' ignoring tactical advantages like terrain and height (see the Battle of Gettysburg, Pickett's Charge is infamous.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7bYDBj_eA&list=PLnO5ceQvQFBg2gQPt8x18KLyl07THEjfzif one of you read a history book instead of warhammer lore you'd know this and not put so much god damn emphasis on this shitnobody cares, all battles ever can equate to a retard goes in
>>422661862>uruk-hai literally pull magic ladders out of nowhereJackson was truly ahead of his time.
>>422661792cringe loser, go fap to my repanse commission
>>422661706>there's more to tactics in shogun 2 than yari wallNo there isn'tIn terms of cheap and utterly broken tactics, Yari Ashigaru spear wall is so dominant that using anything else is pointless, except maybe Portuguese line with gun cavalry line behind if you truly want to fall asleep at your PC>you can do the same thing in warhammer if you really wanted toNo you couldn'tAI spellcasters would punish you, AI cavalry would cycle charge you, fast moving AI units would flank you (all this assuming you play on VH)>I posted this earlierVolound is retarded, the fact that you need him to argue for you is sadUnless you're Volound, but that would be even sadder>the wedge formation is pure numbersProvably false if you've used it in Warhammer 3, the best way to deal damage with cavalry is to make a line wider than the infantry unit you're hitting so you have the maximum amount of impact possible, wedge does this by having the back of the wedge impact while the front of the wedge breaks through>>422661941There's a difference between the Charge of the Light Brigade and you falling asleep at your PC when the utterly braindead pre-Warhammer 3 AI attempts to recreate the charge for the 1000th time against you
>>422657776>battles are the best they've ever beenThe battles are fucking dogshit for anything but spectacle. Ranged units are overpowered, shields are pointless decoration, not even basic formations like spear/shield wall or kneel fire, cavalry is awful even when they don't get stuck on their attack animation loop, heroes can solo entire armies and let's not even get into siege battles.Warhammer is great fun but the depth of actual battles is Warcraft 2 tier.
>TeeWeeGee finally realising that TeeCeeAyy's games are fundamentally shit and can only be somewhat salvaged through extensive modding
Doom wheels feel weak in AR lately, anyone else seeing this or do I need meds?
>>422661995Was it really that difficult for them to pull out ladders out of nowhere though? Sauron and Saruman were the biggest brainest engineers in middle earth, it's reasonable that their forces would have sturdy and easily deployable siege equipment
At least I can use cheats to finally get the old WH2 legendary AI cheats back
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>>422658776terriffic new pasta anon
>>422662323>ranged is overpoweredThis is not tww2, I got ambushed btw
>>422662254>Yari Ashigaru spear wall is so dominant that using anything else is pointless, except maybe Portuguese line with gun cavalry line behind if you truly want to fall asleep at your PCpointing out the dominant method of warfare proves nothing, there's a fucking ton of broken shit in wh3, stop fucking coping like a dumb faggot, they didn't overnight fix all the problems of wh2 and last time I checked, the launch was so bad and so boring legendoftotalwar had to go back to play wh2>AI spellcasters would punish you, AI cavalry would cycle charge you, fast moving AI units would flank youI think you just proved my point. You literally are saying lines and battle formations can't exist because the AI can spam spells on you? Wtf? So the issue then isn't Yari Wall, but spellcasting, pointless braindead spectacle cookie-clicker shit, OH WOW EXPLOSIONS LET ME TAKE A PICTURE AND HANG IT UP ON THE FRIDGE MOMMY!>Provably false if you've used it in Warhammer 3, the best way to deal damage with cavalry is to make a line wider than the infantry unit you're hitting so you have the maximum amount of impact possible, wedge does this by having the back of the wedge impact while the front of the wedge breaks through the burden of proof is on you bud "provably false" prove it then. we type all day, doesn't prove shit>There's a difference between the Charge of the Light Brigade and you falling asleep at your PC when the utterly braindead pre-Warhammer 3 AI attempts to recreate the charge for the 1000th time against youapparently, the improvements in ai are so advanced from wh2 to wh3 that the ai never makes a mistake remotely similar to the ones being made in shogun 2you can understand my disbelief can you?
>>422662860why does the ai still spam these dogshit army comps?
>>422663391It was turn 3 or 4
>>422663478in shogun 2 oda nobunaga spams samurai units, some of the best units, from the startwhy don't they do this in Warhammer?
>>422663060>there's a fucking ton of broken shit in wh3,Like what? What's so broken that I can just stop playing the game entirely and still win?>You literally are saying lines and battle formations can't exist because the AI can spam spells on you?No retard, I'm saying you have to react to things and adjust your lines and formations or get wrecked. You have to, dare I say it, play the video game. Lines etc. are still a good thing to use, but they aren't the only thing in the game that mattersIn Shogun 2 if you have the right units you just set up and then walk away from the keyboard>the burden of proof is on you budWas proven multiple times this thread already, 25 seconds to route an infantry unit vs 11 depending on how you deploy your cavalry>the improvements in ai are so advanced from wh2 to wh3 that the ai never makes a mistake remotely similar to the ones being made in shogun 2Yes, multiple AI exploits were patched out for WH3. Part of the reason Legend left is that 99% of his cheese no longer worked. There is some new cheese that's been discovered, but shit like running your general back and forth to waste AI ammo is gone, AI actually flank, AI cycle charge etc.
>>422663606That's because Shogun 2's noob AI can not abuse the ashigaru like the player. Kroq-Gar spams Saurus from the start and Khalida's skeleton spearmanii do not have yari wall to save you.
>>422663646>No retard, I'm saying you have to react to things and adjust your lines and formations or get wrecked. You have to, dare I say it, play the video game. Lines etc. are still a good thing to use, but they aren't the only thing in the game that matteryou do the same in shogun 2, or really any older tw game, holy fuck go play shogun 2 for ONCE in your lifeNews flash: All total war games require some degree of micro. Cease your retarded delusions. >In Shogun 2 if you have the right units you just set up and then walk away from the keyboard>in my hypothetical shogun 2 battle in my head, if you have an overwhelming advantage, you can just click attack and shut off your monitor and winhe's literally trying to claim shogun 2 isn't a video game because his hypothetical battle where you have the advantage makes the game not a game?also missed the post made 5 times previously the real challenge and appeal of these games is forcing you to use every tactical advantage to your disposal in UNDERDOG SITUATIONS, not cheese shit like ikit claw>There is some new cheese that's been discovered, but shit like running your general back and forth to waste AI ammo is gone, AI actually flank, AI cycle charge etc.Congrats. You finally admitted that the games were shit until JUST NOW. They hotfixed everything apparently, congrats, I might consider purchasing yet another 60-dollar expansion.
>>422663890more cope. not only would oda spam yari samurai but have multiple, almost endless stacks of them, perpetually in an underdog situation strategically and tactically
>>422664696Lol you don't need to micro with something like a corner camping tericio/horse lineSet up your line and go water the plants, have a chat with your neighbours, touch some grassYour victory screen will be there waiting for you when you get back>Malding about AI improvementsCope, they've improvedYou can also play 8 player simultaneous campaigns and never have to encounter AINothing in any previous Total War game has the tactical, operational and strategic depth of an 8 player campaignBut I've already said all this, I don't really care about your next round of malding, the thread is on page 8 and I have to go to work, bye
>>422664951Nooo, not the yari samurai, I wish they would stop walking into my yari walls and routing and getting run down so I could win less
>>422665119>Lol you don't need to micro with something like a corner camping tericio/horse line>Don't need micro with the cheese stats of my perfect wh game!Why am I not surprised WH fanboys can't fathom playing a tactical battle simulator without cheese shit? Bro I've done the same shit in wh and even that requires micro you dumb nigger.>Nothing in any previous Total War game has the tactical, operational and strategic depth of an 8 player campaignHey, at least I don't have to mald and cope by autistically repeating this feature which has already partially existed in Shogun 2. That's the real cope, isn't it? The only advantage in terms of multiplayer WH has is higher player count on the campaign map, and that's it.>Nothing in any previous Total War game has the tactical, operational and strategic depth of an 8 player campaignWe have to swap from single-player arguments to multiplayer because moving the goal is what wins arguments for conceptually challenged people. Wait but if the AI is perfect now why bother playing with other players? >But I've already said all this, I don't really care about your next round of malding, the thread is on page 8 and I have to go to work, byehave fun bitching about me at work
>>422665256what hypothetical battle to suit your worldview are you think of, meathead? pay attention, you're saying the same shit that other dumb nigger said.
>>422666203>muh AI yari samurai nooo, they don't die to ashigaru linesVeganism rots the brain volound
>>422666334>he disagrees with me he must be a commie fuck like voloundcope and regurgitate that cope againposted this 5 times but im not him, you're copingI'd probably disagree with him on basically anything except game design and total war if I actually talked to him.
>>422661505Anyone?
Do alliances still fuck up the confederation calculation?
